The James Charles Allegations Get Worse + Jeffree Star Confirms Kanye Romance?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Just Trish – Episode: "The James Charles Allegations Get Worse + Jeffree Star Confirms Kanye Romance?" (Released April 24, 2025)

Hosts:

• Trisha Paytas
• Moses Hacmon
• Oscar Gracey (Co-host, Emmy-award winning entertainment news journalist)

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1. Reincarnation Rumors: Trisha and the Pope Francis Theory

Timestamp: [00:10] – [07:35]

Trisha Paytas opens the episode by delving into a bizarre yet intriguing conspiracy theory circulating online: she's allegedly pregnant with the reincarnation of Pope Francis. Trisha shares her reflections on this rumor, highlighting how it originated from various sources, including old interviews and active TikTok discussions.

• Trisha: “I believe in reincarnation. I heard it's only 49 days, but if it's longer than 49 days, I'll take that soul.” ([02:52])

She discusses her father’s reaction, a hardcore Catholic, who was both confused and supportive upon reading the rumors. The conversation extends to the significance of Pope Francis in global peace prophecies and Trisha’s belief in manifesting positivity through such an unusual premise.

• Moses: “Her name is Trish. She's got the additional filthy rich hot Topic queen and says what everybody thinks.” ([00:54])

Trisha humorously contemplates naming her child “Francis” or “Pope,” emphasizing her playful take on the situation while acknowledging the widespread attention it has garnered.

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2. Green Day Apology and Fan Reactions

Timestamp: [11:22] – [16:27]

The hosts address previous backlash Trisha received for her support of Green Day, a band known for its political activism and longevity in the music industry. Trisha apologizes to the Green Day community, clarifying her genuine admiration for the band and their influence.

• Trisha: “I think I was on the side of TikTok where I thought I was on the right side. Whereas, like, Gen Z was mad that they were headlining because it's like, should have been Charlie XCS.” ([12:30])

She recounts her early cover of Green Day's "Basket Case" and the mixed reactions it elicited from younger fans who preferred artists like Charli XCX. Moses and Oscar support her by acknowledging the band's enduring relevance and Trisha’s authentic fandom.

• Trisha: “Their entire discourse for the past 30 years. Like, I love them, specifically their political stuff.” ([13:27])

The discussion highlights the generational divide in music preferences and Trisha's commitment to standing by her musical tastes despite criticism.

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3. Current Pop Culture Hot Topics

Timestamp: [16:27] – [38:28]

The conversation shifts to various trending topics in pop culture:

• JoJo Siwa on Big Brother: JoJo’s evolving self-identification from lesbian to queer after her stint on "Big Brother" sparks discussions about identity and public perception.

  • Trisha: “It's just sus. Seeing them play out.” ([29:26])

• Review of Recent TV Shows: The hosts critique shows like "White Lotus," "The Bear," and "The Morning Show," expressing mixed feelings about their content and character development.

  • Trisha: “But I'm so sorry to all the other world leaders. May you rest in peace. But Pope Francis will be back soon.” ([06:40])

• Celebrity Events and Appearances: Discussions about Walton Goggins’ appearance in magazines and his roles in upcoming projects like "Fallout" and "Righteous Gemstone." Trisha praises his physique and acting prowess, while Moses shares his admiration for his roles.

• Stagecoach and Other Music Festivals: The hosts talk about upcoming shows, ticket sales, and their excitement for performances in Chicago, Milwaukee, and Los Angeles.

  • Trisha: “Check it out. This weekend, sold out, though, so you can't. No tickets available.” ([10:07])

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4. The Discovery of a New Color: STEM Segment

Timestamp: [76:54] – [85:03]

In a unique twist, the hosts incorporate a STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics) segment discussing a recent scientific claim about the discovery of a new color named "olo" that humans have never seen before.

• Moses: “Five researchers stimulated retina cells in participants’ eyes in a study and they claim to have seen a color called olo. It’s an extremely saturated blue-green color.” ([79:00])

Trisha is skeptical, noting that the color seems familiar and likely exists within the spectrum already used in digital media and design. The hosts debate the validity of the claim, emphasizing the subjective nature of color perception.

• Trisha: “But I don’t know if that’s like, a possible thing.” ([80:37])

The segment underscores the intersection of pop culture with scientific discovery, albeit with a humorous and skeptical undertone.

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5. Handling Apologies and Controversies

Timestamp: [11:22] – [73:00]

Trisha and Moses discuss the importance of addressing public criticisms and controversies openly. They reflect on past incidents, such as Trisha’s support for Green Day, and emphasize the need for transparent apologies rather than blanket statements.

• Trisha: “Apologies to the Green Day community. I’m one of you, but I’m also one of the angels, so I’m both.” ([16:27])

They explore how influencers and celebrities navigate backlash, the role of mental health in responding to online criticism, and the responsibility that comes with a large public platform.

• Trisha: “We have apologies today. Me and Moses have apologies.” ([11:22])

Oscar contributes by highlighting the generational expectations and the evolving nature of fan interactions, stressing the importance of maintaining authenticity amidst public scrutiny.

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6. Jeffree Star and Kanye West Romance Confirmation

Timestamp: [137:15] – [147:57]

One of the episode's primary focuses is the escalating rumors and latest confirmations about Jeffree Star’s alleged romantic involvement with Kanye West. The hosts dissect various claims, including tweets and third-party confirmations, analyzing their authenticity and potential implications.

• Moses: “Another post I saw was Jeffree Star seemingly confirming the rumors about him and Kanye West.” ([146:56])

Trisha and Moses discuss the timeline of the rumors, referencing previous allegations made by influencers like Ava Louise and Zach Sellers. They scrutinize Jeffree’s public statements and Twitter activity, debating whether his recent confirmations are genuine or another troll maneuver.

• Trisha: “He’s like, he might be mentally unwell, so it’s also kind of like, yeah, like all this.” ([147:15])

The conversation delves into the complexities of celebrity relationships, the impact of public declarations on personal lives, and the ethical considerations of influencers addressing such rumors.

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7. Audience Engagement and Closing Thoughts

Timestamp: [147:57] – [152:16]

As the episode concludes, Trisha invites listeners to submit their thoughts and experiences, especially those related to domestic violence, emphasizing support and resource sharing.

• Trisha: “We have apologies today. Me and Moses have apologies.” ([11:22])

She reiterates the importance of truth and justice, encouraging listeners to engage respectfully and thoughtfully with sensitive topics.

• Trisha: “Truth always comes out, even if it takes a while, even if it’s not public.” ([150:52])

The hosts wrap up by thanking their audience, promoting upcoming shows, and hinting at future content that continues to blend entertainment with real-world issues.

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Notable Quotes:

1. Trisha Paytas: “I believe in reincarnation. I heard it's only 49 days, but if it's longer than 49 days, I'll take that soul.” ([02:52])

2. Trisha Paytas: “Their entire discourse for the past 30 years. Like, I love them, specifically their political stuff.” ([13:27])

3. Kayla Malik (Interview Segment): “I was silently being abused while posting my life online, smiling. You can see it in the eyes.” ([127:15])

4. Moses Hacmon: “A USB drive requires power from a computer to work. True or false?” (STEM Trivia Segment) ([78:37])

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Conclusion:

This episode of "Just Trish" navigates through a labyrinth of pop culture rumors, personal apologies, and serious allegations, all while maintaining Trisha’s signature unfiltered and candid commentary. The blend of humor, honesty, and investigative discussion provides listeners with a comprehensive look into the tangled web of celebrity lives and online narratives. Whether dissecting the peculiar Pope reincarnation theory or addressing the gravity of domestic violence allegations, Trisha and her co-hosts deliver a multifaceted conversation that resonates with both casual listeners and dedicated fans.

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Transcript

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like me and Shane, if we're back on Escape, then if we're on Escape the Night together, you know, it's like a reunion everybody wants to see.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or traitors.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, whoa. How do they know? How do they know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Again, that tweet was about Kanye. The rumors are true. I could have said that about Pope Francis being my reincarnation. The rumors are true. Well, we also have our apologies today. Me and Moses have apologies. My apology will go first. Moses lets me know, because, you know, I don't read comments for my mental health. You know what I mean? I like to just not know what anyone's saying. So Moses will tell me. He's like, overwhelmingly. Her name is Trish. She's got the additional filthy rich hot Topic queen and says what everybody thinks. She's just.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to. To the podcast Just Trish. It's a great podcast. It's taken over. I think it's taken over.

[Moses Hacmon]

Taking over what?

[Trisha Paytas]

Everything. Netflix, Spotify. Everybody's wanting us. I'm manifesting it. Huh?

[Oscar]

Tmz.

[Trisha Paytas]

TMZ posted us. Thank you, tmz, for the credit. They. They actually put a Just Trish podcast as they were showing our clip, which I love to see.

[Moses Hacmon]

Clip of what?

[Oscar]

The Pope.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Pope.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, what are we doing?

[Trisha Paytas]

But, you know, sometimes people use clips and don't credit. Yeah, they put a little Just Trish podcast credit on there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Man. I have seen the Pope stuff everywhere. So many people have reached out to me for a statement about the Pope, about you being.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did TMZ reach out to you?

[Moses Hacmon]

Not tmz, just really random people. People at Darian's school have reached out that, like, my co workers at Entertainment Tonight have also reached out to inquire about you being pregnant with the Pope.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what do you say? Because my agent also got inquiries from, like, tmz, and they're like, what are we supposed to say? Like, she's so excited to be expecting the Pope this summer. Like, what is it, baby?

[Moses Hacmon]

Pope Francis?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, just the. Like, what do they want you to comment?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think just how you feel and your thoughts about possibly giving birth to maybe Pope Francis.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like it. Now that I've sat with it, I really do feel powerful. I love that this came out of nowhere. Like, we were talking about this. Like, conspiracies, like theories, they come from something. Usually there's, you know, they piece it together. Something somewhere was said. But this has been brewing for some time. There was an old not Loveline clip that came out from A couple months ago. And Tanner's like, you know, all your babies are so powerful, but I feel like this one's gonna be really powerful because you've done snl, you've done Broadway. And she asked me, she's like, oh, who do you think this baby will, like, be in the reincarnate of? And I said, pope Francis. I said, everyone's been saying the Pope. I literally say, like, everyone's been saying the Pope. And this was months ago. Then I saw another one today. I think her name was Sammy or Cammie or something. And she said that she. When I announced my pregnant, she goes, guys, Trisha's pregnant. We gotta say bye to the Pope.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

I believe in reincarnation. I heard it's only 49 days, but if it's longer than 49 days, I'll take that soul.

[Oscar]

And this pope ends a long prophecy of popes that were, you know, like, there's a long prophecy and he's the end of that prophecy. So we might be entering, you know, a thousand years of peace in the world.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, I hope so.

[Trisha Paytas]

That would be great. And there. Yeah, I'll take the Pope. I mean, you know, even having Queen Elizabeth reincarnate as Malibu, I like it. She's very regal, she's very royal. She commands a room. Good with dogs. Like, she's just like, she's just queen vibes. She is queen vibes. Malibu is queen vibes for sure.

[Oscar]

So she come in, commands her space.

[Trisha Paytas]

So she'll be like a nicer queen, you know, I think she'll be a little bit of a nicer one. But this pope was great. This pope loved the gays.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I just don't know if we name the baby Francis or Pope.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love Pope.

[Trisha Paytas]

Pope Francis.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, Pope Francis. Peter Sackman. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

My dad would love it. My dad's a hardcore Catholic. He. He saw the articles and he's just like, well, he goes, I think you're doing like. And he's being so serious, like, I should read it. Cuz he was almost like, chat GPT like, AI was wrote this text message. My dad was so serious about you, cuz he's like, oh, are you going to go to the funeral after? Like, I was like, yeah, the Vatican. Yeah. And he's like, but like, you should, because your song. Okay, let me just tell you, my.

[Oscar]

Dad, if we're invited.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I think it already happened. I think we did miss it.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, did it? I feel like I would have seen.

[Oscar]

Maybe I've seen like a live Stream now. Something is happening now.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, no. It happened yesterday because someone stole one of the Eucharists. Like the body of Christ. Like they show a guy holding it and then there was controversy. Like, did they stop? And then another controversy. Well, sometimes you can bring it to sick people. But he basically took a Eucharist and like, you're not supposed to do that because it's like the body.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which is crazy. It's not really the body. Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think, I don't know. Some symbolic. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

But the priest does something where the body can come through.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I like those little wafers. They're pretty good. But he said, my dad said, oh. He's like, why do they associate his death with your pregnancy? Wonder how this started. Will be interesting to see the new elected Pope. He's probably in heaven because he was the Pope. He's like, are you planning on attending his funeral at the Vatican? I was like, haha. I was. If I was invited, I would go. Then he goes, you are Catholic. Which, okay, I was raised Catholic. Let me, Let me not be like crazy Catholic. He's like, you are Catholic and you had your children baptized Catholic. And you have a. And you are a star that has a hit I love you, Jesus. That was filmed on a Catholic church. You have that song performed at your Christmas show and the ERA tour. They should invite you. As I talk with your fans, they say you are such an inspiration to them. Like what? It's so crazy. Some same way people talked about Elvis and his gospel music. The whole world will be watching the funeral. You and Elvis are spreading the word of God in similar ways.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know, he was just like. He felt really like moved all of a sudden. He would be very happy. I don't know. It was.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And it's. It's a way, you know, like when you get that message from your dad, it's like, I'm proud of you.

[Trisha Paytas]

That wasn't I'm proud of you moment. That's like you are spreading the word of God. Like, finally he's like, this is the prophecy that I've been praying for the Pope. You have Moses. Because he always says about Moses, Moses can attest this. Every time he sees Moses. We've been together five years. Every time you see Moses, Moses is the prayers that I prayed to God for 20 years for you. Like, he answered with Moses. How crazy is that? Moses, like, he's biblical. Like, he like really thinks Moses is Moses. Like spreading to see Moses or something. Something like reincarnate. Because he's like.

[Oscar]

He's more. He thinks I'm a godsend. That's what he says.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. He sees them. He's like, well, we pray 20 years for tradition. And he answers, moses. It's crazy. I was like, okay. But then with this, he really was like, this is so crazy how people think it's the Pope. So I think he also believes it. I'll take it. Honestly, I'll take it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And also, he. The Pope passed away the day after Easter, which is like. That has to add something.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's true. I have an Easter Jesus song that wasn't. Oh, yes, you do. Yes. It was called yes, Jesus Rises, and it could be tied into it for sure. I know. I almost shouldn't maybe get my tubes tied. Maybe if I'm just reincarnating. I'm scared, though. If I had a fourth baby, it would be reincarnated. Because people. Obviously, there's other world leaders that people would like. I don't manifest that for anyone. I'm not gonna even say it, but people like, oh, next one should be, don't put that on my baby. That's crazy. I get it. Womb is powerful, but we're absorbing. We're absorbing royalty. Absorbing, you know, a Catholic pope who loves the gays, which is, you know, it's. It's kind of very progressive. So, yeah, I think we might be done. But I'm so sorry to all the other world leaders. May you rest in peace. But Pope Francis will be back soon.

[Oscar]

I mean, my favorite TikTok is the one you see the Pope and the Queen shaking hands.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yes.

[Oscar]

They're like, oh, they met in this life, and they'll meet in the next.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they'll be siblings. I'm here for it. I'm here for it. You could have, like, the first, like, photo shoot. Be like, Moira from, like, Schitt's Creek. Oh, you never watched it, but you.

[Oscar]

Must have seen it on Thick Dog.

[Trisha Paytas]

Have you not seen the meme?

[Moses Hacmon]

Catherine O'Hara.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Like, long blonde hair, dresses, the poke, and a smoky eye. So if it's a girl, we could do that.

[Oscar]

And if it's a boy, you know, Francesca is Francis.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but Francis is a girl name. Like, I grew up with. Like, I had a dance teacher named Francis. Like, Francis, also a girl named with an E. Usually Francis is with the E or with an I. My dad's name is Francis too, so he'd be very excited. He'd be so Stoked. So I. I take it, and I actually take it seriously because there's so many tech talks that have so many likes and, like, views. Like, seriously, they have, like, millions of views, millions of likes. Just, like, random people, too. I'm like, maybe this is something. I don't know. Why else would it just be? You know what I mean? Like, why else does it come. I also love that people just think about us, think about our baby in that way.

[Oscar]

Like, because we were talking about is like, how? Like, usually. Because the headlines in, like, news articles are like, the conspiracy theory. I'm like, but wait, conspiracy is when somebody is conspiring, like, somebody is doing something. And you uncover. But here nobody's doing anything.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's just organic.

[Oscar]

Out of the ether came, like, global consciousness decided that this is happening. So it's really. That's why it just perplexing our minds, you know, it's interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

We'll take it, you know, but that's up.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's your official statement on the.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's my statement, Right. Tmz.

[Moses Hacmon]

Anyone reaching out can just use that as the official statement.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I'm excited to welcome back the Pope in July and have a rebirth for us all. They were contacting everyone. Like, my accountant was like, tmz reached out. Like, they're wild over there. Oh, thanks, TMZ for reaching out. I guess they're doing their due diligence, you guys. We're going to be in Chicago and Milwaukee and Minneapolis this weekend. Prince is from Minneapolis, so maybe I'll do a Prince tribute. We still have tickets. No, we do not have tickets in Minneapolis. Sold out. Minneapolis, sold out in Chicago. Milwaukee will be there Sunday. And I have to announce the LA show is our gender reveal. LA show is going to be big. It's May 4th, Greek Theater. We've got VIP guest lists all over the place. It's going to be a good one. I'm very excited about it. So get your tickets today. We only have a few weekends left. We have five weekends left of the Eras of Trish tour. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Oscar]

May the Fourth be with you.

[Trisha Paytas]

May the Fourth. That's right. May the fourth come dressed as Star Wars.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, don't.

[Trisha Paytas]

Please don't do that. That's so weird. And then Pride is coming up. We are already planning our Pride Set World Music Festival in Washington, dc. You coming to Pride?

[Moses Hacmon]

I really want to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Would you go to a festival?

[Moses Hacmon]

The lineup. I've been saying this, but the lineup is very fierce. Also, I love Marina from formerly Marina the Diamonds. And she's performing. I don't know if she's on your day, though. But regardless.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Mother convention. You, Marina, Sasha, Colby, RuPaul. J. Lo, throw her in the. Yeah, Slater.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love J. Lo. You threw in there. I love it. She does seem like a good mother, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

She does. I've been saying. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think. I think her redemption arc is just her being a good mom to her.

[Moses Hacmon]

Children, laying low, being a good mom. No crazy expensive films. You know, just kind of living her life.

[Oscar]

She should go with that new name, Lelo.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is actually really good.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. Moses has been on fire these past couple weeks. He is just sharp. I think me being away on the weekends gives him time to, like, think, brew, create.

[Oscar]

I'm working. I'm working on Hot Topics.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I know.

[Oscar]

He tells me she's away. I gotta.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, he'll tell me all the time. The night before, I got some good Hot Topics for. Okay, what are they? He won't, like, tell me. He won't share. Sometimes he will. Okay, I got a Gabby Hannah one. I was like, okay, what happened? It's a troll. I can't tell you, but it's not bad. It's not. I was like, what is it? And then I try to look and I'm like, I can't find it. Well, we also have our apologies today. Me and Moses have apologies. My apology will go first. Moses lets me know because, you know, I don't read comments for my mental health. You know what I mean? I like to just not know what anyone's saying. So Moses will tell me. He's like, overwhelmingly, the Green Day fans were not having.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he said there was lots of comments.

[Oscar]

We asked them to tell us in the comments, and they did tell us. They did.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were they mad, angry, or just informative?

[Oscar]

Everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

Were they boomers?

[Oscar]

It was all ages, too. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

They were like, I'm 17 and I love Green Day.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Like, Green Day kind of cross section throughout. And I think, really, through their political work, they really, okay, get, you know, the support of the people.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think I was on the side of TikTok where I thought I was on the right side. Whereas, like, Gen Z was mad that they were headlining because it's like, should have been Charlie xcs.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know, I know you were influenced. I knew right away because I see the angels on Twitter, too, and they were very vocal. And then I pinpointed it, and you are very easily influenced. So I was like, wait, I think the angels got to.

[Trisha Paytas]

So let me prove my Point on that. I really do sincerely apologize because I'm a Green Day fan and I was scared to say it. So I think because everybody was like, green Day. It should have been Charlie X. So now everyone's like, trisha, what are you talking about? They're legend. I was like, I know. You know how I know? Look up Trisha Paytas EP number three called under the Covers. I did a cover of Basket Case where I had to pay royalties for Green Day to use that song. And it's me covering the song. I did a dance video for it. I love Green Day. Huh? Oh, my God. It's cringey. Because this was before Auto. Well, no, this is when I had Auto Tune, but it was, like, really bad Auto Tune. And I was like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because you were listening so many Green Day songs, more than you could. List of a Charlie, of Lady Gaga, of anyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, their entire discourse for the past 30 years. Like, I love them, specifically their political stuff. American Idiot, one of my favorite albums. It was a Broadway show. I was trying to be cool with Gen Z. I was trying to be like, yes, I'm with you. And then everyone came for me, and I was like, do you understand? I'm the chuggy millennial that loves American Idiot. Boulevard Broken teams Wake me up when September ends. That was so impactful. And it still holds the test of time. Written about George W. Bush, but also still holds the test of time. And they switched their lyrics to be, you know, in 2025. They're so relevant. And I love that he paid homage to Charlie XCX because he wore a brat hat. So he's like, we're here. We're Brat. We're Green Day. But we're giving the green to Brat, the son.

[Oscar]

They're the original green of Brat.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, my God, I love them. And so, yes, track number five, My basket case. The auto tune was so bad. Okay, do you know the next line?

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Go. Just make it up. Sometimes I give myself the creeps and.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wanna eat a peep.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ooh, that's good.

[Oscar]

You all been hanging out. Why don't you call me?

[Trisha Paytas]

That's good. You kind of have a tune there.

[Oscar]

I know the song. I don't know the words. Like, I know the two beats.

[Trisha Paytas]

And you know what? They were also ahead of their time with pronouns and switching them, because in the second verse, they're like, I went to a. She said my life's a bore. So quit this whining because it's freaking out. So he, like, talks about. He switches. He switches from, like, boy to girl for the. Like, it's so good. Like, it's like, yeah, it's amazing.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm dead at you being, like, such a Green Day stand, knowing all these references and stuff. And, like, literally, this is a valuable lesson you learned. Just. Just be authentic, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

You try to be with it, and then look what happens.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know, well. Cause I was kind of with them. I'm kind of like, okay, Green Day, let's take a backseat. But now that everyone loves Green. I love Green Day, too. And I love what they stand for. I think people are scared just to stand up. Most entertainers are. People are like, yes. You know, we see it all the time. I mean, they get to be big. Like, I don't want to talk about. Look, I don't talk about. I don't know about politics, but I like when people make the effort. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

The smarter people. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And Amir and Green Day, they dumb it down for us. People who are not so political. Because I get their statements, and I'm always like, yeah. Like, when they did wake me up when September ends, I was like, yes. Get this. You know what I mean? I understood it. About September 11th, I believe. Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

The weight.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cause it's, like, depressed. Okay. I think.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so. Because the music video was about, like, a soldier, right? Like, yeah, it was war.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he's just like, this is depressing. This is awful. And so I like when they can dumb it down a little bit and we can get behind something. Cause sometimes I don't know what to get behind. And I can get behind Green Day. Whatever they support, I support, and I love them. And the person that passed was actually from Linkin park, not Green Day.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Someone did clarify that. Cause I was like.

[Oscar]

Because I met them at Coachella.

[Trisha Paytas]

You met Linkin Park?

[Oscar]

Yeah. And then. And then. And then the year after, I was. I heard that he did that. And then. But in my mind, I don't know why I couldn't remember the name was not Green Day.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm Green Day fan. So I was like, it's not Green Day.

[Oscar]

She immediately was like, no, it's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I was like that. I definitely know, but love them, support them. And I love just older people still going. Because, like, some people just fall off. You know what I mean? And they. They keep going. So I would like to be that at 50. I would like to be performing at Coachella. They're icons. So apologies to the Green Day community. I'm one of you, but I'm also one of the angels, so I'm both.

[Moses Hacmon]

Name three Charlie XCX songs.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't. I've got the apple Fallen straight to the core. I don't. Give me one more. What's another one? I would know Basic C. When you're.

[Moses Hacmon]

In the mirror, do you like what you see? I'm everywhere. I'm so. Julia.

[Trisha Paytas]

Julia.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it sponsored?

[Moses Hacmon]

Julia Fox?

[Trisha Paytas]

Really? Damn. They get all the it people with them, don't they? They got Addison, they got Julia, they got Troy, Alex Kinsani. Oh, God. Everybody. Quinn Blackwell, everybody. Everybody I want to be. Yeah. They have the girls where she. I love Charlie. I like what she's. I like the vibes and what she stands for.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love Charlie, too. And I'm gonna see I. Because I'm like a hardcore. Like Taylor Swift Stan, and I'm very passionate about being a Taylor Stan, and a lot of people appropriate being a Swifty in the Peak Eras tour. So I'm very careful about saying I'm a Sienna someone. But Charlie I've loved since, like, the EP because she opened for Marina and the Diamonds. And I love Marina, just Marina now. But I love Marina so much. And my best friend from high school, our little thing in our head was she was more Charlie and I was more Marina. So we would go to their concerts and she'd be like, the Charlie. They were like sister acts. Like, oh, Marina called Charlie like her little sister back in the day.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's Marina's vibe? What's her aesthetic?

[Moses Hacmon]

Is she's a little bit more. There's, like, more of, like, a little bit of a regalness to her. She's very poetic with her lyrics.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Is she like Lord when you say regal? I think Lord esque.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, it used to be like Lana Del. Lana Del Rey and Marina were like, in this similar category back in the day when Lana was, like, just coming out because her aesthetic kind of changed. But her second album was called Electra Heart, and it was all about being like a man eater. How to be a heartbreaker prima donna girl.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, is it the man Eater?

[Moses Hacmon]

Make it work. Nelly Frittado. Who?

[Trisha Paytas]

So who's Nachos?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was it not sonically alike. It's more of, like, the. The vibe of being like. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What does man eater mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Just kind of working through men. Like, you know how, like, it's like the opposite of an F boy.

[Oscar]

It goes back to the 80s. The 80s song Man Eater.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's that 80s song?

[Oscar]

She's a Man Eater.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that what I was just singing?

[Oscar]

No, no, he was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, did she sample.

[Oscar]

Were you singing the 80s one?

[Trisha Paytas]

She's a man eater. Make it work. Is that what you were singing? You sound like the same thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe Nelly Furtado sampled it.

[Trisha Paytas]

We don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

From the 80s. I believe you, but I don't know. We gotta look up the Man Eater song. They went back all the way from the 80s.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Nelly Furtado, her song is just, like, in name only. I don't know if, like, she's a manny to make you work, basically.

[Oscar]

She's very different too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but it's from the 80s, so it's been around for a minute.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

But Man Eater is like an F boy for people.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like a girl who just, like, goes through.

[Oscar]

Yeah, maybe.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, she just goes to. Met Marina was in her 20s.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think what she's saying about it, that's very different.

[Moses Hacmon]

Anyway. Yeah, but I love Charlie's first ep. Like, Nuclear Seasons was, like, one of my favorite songs.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, so you are like a Charlie.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, like I. And of course, like, boom clap. The sound of my.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I know that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah. That's iconic. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I gotta get into it. You guys know I'm always, like, a little behind with everybody, but I'm still seeing pink bonus.

[Moses Hacmon]

Three years, you'll have your brat era.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sabrina.

[Moses Hacmon]

Brat summer 2028. I see it for you. I will be there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I will be there. I'm still on Green Day, you guys. Okay. Which apparently everyone else is too, so that's.

[Moses Hacmon]

I had a feeling.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but you had a feeling that.

[Moses Hacmon]

People were into Greendale. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh. Cause I knew the songs. I really did. They were just edgy back in the day. And you just were like, they're so cool.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, they still are.

[Trisha Paytas]

So apologies to them. And there's my little emo axolotl to show that I am part of the culture. There you go, right there. And I need to see Minecraft. All right, what else? Are you seeing Minecraft yet?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think the Minecraft moment has passed for me. I do think it's kind of over until it's on digital. It's not like you were planning to go to the theater. When are you going to the theater?

[Trisha Paytas]

Tonight. Lava Chicken, right? Is that. They say chicken. What is it? Chicken, Jackie. I'm ready. I'm gonna scream it out. Chicken Jackie. Okay, I'm doing my cosplay. I'm getting it ready. Okay. I'm. I'm figuring it out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, your Minecraft cosplay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, work.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, I'm ready for it. Do you have one planned?

[Moses Hacmon]

I can just wear the blue T shirt, I guess. And be a pixel. Yeah, with my little pixel sport.

[Trisha Paytas]

Joey could be here on that day too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh yeah, word.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe not. Last time Joey was on.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

The flat, the war flashback.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God. Literally, I was like, that was the craziest drama we had been in. And I was like, oh my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was so out of nowhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Joey. Yeah, wild.

[Oscar]

It's always a quiet ones, huh? It's always the quiet ones, Joey.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, it is. Always the fine ones. That is. I agree. What he's doing. I never see his stories. I never see anything pop up. Stage coach this weekend you're going.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't think I will be there.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, no, not your vibe.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not my vibe. Although Lana Del Rey is headlining randomly.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I love Alana.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do love Lana. I never pictured her country, but I guess she is kind of like a little. She has a little folk.

[Trisha Paytas]

Stagecoach is like not even country anymore because like Backstreet Boys are bad. True.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is very random. Yeah, yeah. It's not really all about that country.

[Trisha Paytas]

Anymore, but maybe Alex Warren will be there.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would not put it past him.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's everywhere.

[Moses Hacmon]

I finally saw the photo of Ed Sheeran and Tara. Yummy today, but did you watch the Tick Tock? No, I just saw Tara posted the photo to her story and I was.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I wonder how it went. Because the Tick Tock is them walking on the street and they are singing the Azizum song and it's just like them like walking along the sidewalk. I'm like, did they plan this and they look casual or is he literally just like walking aside and like, okay, thanks. Like you know, or anything. It was like plan like, okay, we're going to be here. There's an hour wait. We're going to start filming at this time.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it was probably that. I think it was. Ed Sheeran is a superstar but he's.

[Oscar]

Harry Daniels walking around. Yeah, that's to me on the street.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like I love the idea of just like getting into someone's TikTok for a quick like a minute clout, you know what I mean? And just. Okay, thanks. Bye. Got to go. You know, I'm sure it was a.

[Moses Hacmon]

Quick shoot but I think it was also probably planned and you know, there were some element of pre production I.

[Trisha Paytas]

Would think ruins authenticity of it. I think that I'm meeting Jules lebron at my show. This again Chicago. Yes. She literally Chicago, Chicago. Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

You have to cover that song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which one?

[Moses Hacmon]

From Victorious. It goes Chicago. Chicago.

[Trisha Paytas]

What is Victorious?

[Moses Hacmon]

The Ariana Grande Victoria Justice Nickelodeon show.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's a musical or what?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was a whole TikTok sound too. I'm surprised you missed it. Chicago.

[Trisha Paytas]

And is it about what?

[Moses Hacmon]

It was a play in Victorious. Like a musical. A one woman show by Trina Vega.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my gosh. Everyone tells me, oh, my God, this is Trina Vega code. I'm like, who the Trina Vega the house? What does that mean? What does she do? That was so crazy. That unlocked so much politician, like Hillary Clinton or something. Who the hell is Trina Vega? What? Who is it?

[Moses Hacmon]

She is a character in Victoria. She is Victoria Justice. What was her. Oh, Tori. Tori Vega. This is older sister Tori Vega. But she like, she had main character energy even though she was the supporting character in Victorious.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And then she went and she did her own one woman show because she had big dreams of being on Broadway. And it was called Chicago. And it was about a girl moving to Chicago, making her dream dreams come true. And it was called Chicago. And it's like a viral. It goes viral all the time because it is very iconic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow. I need to look it up. Okay, I'll look it up. Chicago. Yeah, maybe I'll do that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think you should. I think it would be a big hit if you did Chicago.

[Trisha Paytas]

You never know what TikTok. Okay. All right, I'll do it. I'll take that into consideration.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's quick.

[Oscar]

You can at least do the TikTok there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Whenever I tiktoks when I meet people, I'm always like, oh, I want to do something cool. And so she's an icon. So that might be the one.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think that'll be a big hit. And it's Trina does it acapella too. So you don't even need a perfect half.

[Trisha Paytas]

My show is acapel. The comments on Tik Tok are always like, where's the music? It's always just me singing. Okay, and how's it go?

[Moses Hacmon]

It just goes Chicago, Chicago. And then I forgot then it goes really fast. Goes like spoken word. So exciting. I should look up the Chicago lyrics.

[Trisha Paytas]

Actually, I love the original too. Everyone always has Trina Vega and I'm.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, you do give Trina Vega energy. Daniela Monet. Oh, yeah. It's a very quick song too. It's just a few lines. Go, Chicago, Chicago. It's a city. That's exciting. It's a city. That's inviting. It's a city for a woman just like me. There's a lake. They call it Michigan. I think I'm really fitting. And this city is my perfect cup of tea. Chicago. Chicago. And that's the whole song. It is good.

[Trisha Paytas]

You gave energy, performance.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do love that episode of Victorious. I love that episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, tea. I'm done. Done and done. I'll find it on TikTok. So I can just lip sync it or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's iconic.

[Trisha Paytas]

If I can remember it. I'll do it on stage too. Maybe somebody will ask that during the karaoke hour.

[Moses Hacmon]

I hope Jules. Throw Jules in there too. She could do a little show moment.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's so funny. We've only talked to dm, but I was like, yeah, let me know how many you want. Like, I wanna say hi before the show. And then she's like, if you need someone to be a fridge on stage, I can stand in.

[Moses Hacmon]

I was like, what?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. That's what she said. I was like, all right, work it into the app somehow. She's funny. I'm very excited. I love when I have VIPs at the show. Always go a little hard. I always go hard, but extra hard this time. Chicago's gonna be a good one, so check it out. This weekend, sold out, though, so you can't. No tickets available. Been sold out for a while.

[Moses Hacmon]

Look out for the tiktoks.

[Trisha Paytas]

Look out for the tiktoks. I'll do it just for you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, put your little spin on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that the wrong.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not quite the note, but yeah. Yeah, I think you'll get there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll never hit the notes. I never will. Hot Topics is hot today, you guys. I'm glad you stuck around.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know there is a lot going on today, weirdly.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. For middle of the week.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I'm. This is a good week to have a two Hot Topics because there is quite a bit going on happening. As we predicted, though, there has been a JoJo Siwa updates.

[Trisha Paytas]

Always one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Always one. And we called it on Monday when we filmed. We're like, we're gonna finish filming and there's gonna be a JoJo Siwa update as soon as we're done and let alone, of course, it happened in the celebrity Big Brother house. JoJo said that she thought that she considered herself lesbian, but she has learned by being in the Big Brother house that now she considers herself just queer.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Big Brother house taught her. I wonder what did she get? Going into details, she just Said the.

[Moses Hacmon]

Experience of being in the house, and she was talking to Danny Beard, who is a drag queen from RuPaul's Drag Race UK. Love him on the show. That obviously makes sense why they were having this kind of conversation. And Danny was very, very excited for JoJo to have that discovery. But, yeah, now it does raise a little the suspicion about her relationship with Chris, though, now that it is kind of confirmation that.

[Trisha Paytas]

That. Yeah, yeah. All of a sudden, I'm not queer. I found out. It's like, oh, yikes. Yeah, yeah. Kind of weird timing, but, yes, I guess it's always a good time to discover who you really are.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And Alicia's still young.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess the girlfriend back home was probably a little more shook.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I. I do fear for Kath. I really do fear for Kath. I hope she's okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Partner would be supportive because, you know, you like Mary. I've seen one where they, like, marry, you know, a man, and then they transition, and then they're still really supportive. They're like, you know, now I love my wife, so, you know, should probably be supportive. But yeah, the. It's just sus. Seeing them play out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

The discovery of the queerness. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Although I will say there are clips of, like, JoJo cuddling in bed with, like, other and, like, doing her little tappy on their backs of, like, other guy contestants. I guess. So maybe JoJo's just a very touchy.

[Trisha Paytas]

There are people. So, yeah, they just love to, like, cuddle.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. With whomever, I suppose. But there's just so much of her and Chris and Chris like, being into her. So I don't know. The show's almost over, though. I didn't even realize, really.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's so many people left.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're doing a triple eviction, I think today.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. JoJo probably win.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think she, like, won safety or something, so she's not even, like, up for elimination.

[Trisha Paytas]

I also think the whole show is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just the JoJo show.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I think they pre choose who the winner is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you think you were chosen to be a winner on your season?

[Trisha Paytas]

Definitely not, but scramble.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're like, damn, she wants that pizza and washcloth. Pick a new winner.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I think I was destined to go far. I do think they, like, pre pick who goes and leaves because they kept trying to get me to stay, and I was like, okay, I'm up for elimination every single week. Like, what? But I remember the winner. The. The girl who ended up winning, she was up for elimination every week too. And they never had her pack her bags, and I always had to pack mine. And she always like, I'm not packing. It's fine. So I think it was always pretty because she was probably, like, the most famous on the show. She was from Girls Aloud. I think she passed away. So RIP Sarah Harding. But she was like, the most famous. She got the most money. So I think she was always like. So it's usually the most famous person who's picked to win.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And I think Jojo was the highest paid without Mickey Rourke.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I forgot about Mickey work even being in there.

[Moses Hacmon]

That was so, like, a long time ago.

[Oscar]

I wonder what he has to say about this now.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think the last thing I read is he's pursuing legal action against the. The network.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mickey work.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because of how he was perceived in the show. I'm like, well, that's. You did that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You did that. You did all that. That's so funny. I think that's your initial reaction. When I left you, I was like, how do I sue?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, girl, that was just.

[Trisha Paytas]

You do get a little money. You don't get the whole money when you leave. Leave. So, yeah. It doesn't kind of mess with you. But JoJo will win for sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Plus, she's just good at competitions. Yeah. She has a competitive spirit since she was a kid, obviously, from being in dance.

[Trisha Paytas]

So Abby Lee did something right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And she's, like, very entertaining. She's, like the most entertaining person on the show. Like, everyone wants to have conversations with her and.

[Moses Hacmon]

And an open book, too, which I think is interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, I love that. I love the revelation. I like that. That's pretty.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I wish it wasn't at Borkath's expense. But it does make sense, though, because of. I don't know, maybe I'm excited to see what Jojo says, like, when she's out of the house, because the. How she kind of went from relationship to relationship, even though after each relationship, she was like, I'm gonna take a break. I'm not gonna do this again. But, like, you know, just jumped back into another one so quick. No, I think this does, like, make sense. Like, she's kind of working through.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Yeah. What is. Is. Yeah. It's just. She's still so young.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like it's always changing me, too. You just never know. I'm always like, what am I?

[Moses Hacmon]

She is very, very evil. You said this from years ago. She is very Trish coded. She's very attrition.

[Trisha Paytas]

You just. And I think for the next 15 years, she's still gonna be figuring it out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

For the rest of her life because same girl.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love her a Stan. I know her songs. I'm gonna get back like a boomerang. I don't care what they say. I love that one. And I love. I love. There's a couple other songs. What is another one she has? Is that the only one we know?

[Moses Hacmon]

Karma, obviously.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, well. Yeah. My dancer on my tour as Antino was in the Karma video. Oh yeah, he loves it. He was like. It was. That was that. I think it was like Lady Gaga's ex choreographer did it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was fired shortly after.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh. By JoJo and Lady Gaga.

[Trisha Paytas]

Lady Gaga. I think she's like, no, I don't know. That's what I heard. That's the.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think that does make sense. Yeah. Cuz I keep seeing people talk about how her new team. Lady Gaga's new team for like.

[Trisha Paytas]

But she keeps people for a long time. Like le guy has new hair.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wonder what happened.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm sure Monster Jim is probably like editing in here. Like actually this.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love Jimmy for that. I don't know anything interesting though. Yeah, no, I do know joo songs. I can't remember, but yeah, I'm a JoJo. Stan.

[Moses Hacmon]

I like her new song. It was like choose your fighter. It's the one that was like some of my exes or something. Oh yeah, my exes want fame. And then it goes like. Anyway, that's all I know. But yeah, when I heard I like it.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's giving seven rings by Ariana. I like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's really. It's more upbeat though. It's like very poppy. It's a little more dancy, but it's good. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you think of the newest pop girl singles out? I saw that there were some that flopped and some that were like. Some people didn't love Ariana's new song. The one where she's like an old lady.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, people didn't like it. Oh, I loved the deluxe version of a turtle Sunshine.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is that what it was?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was for the deluxe.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then as Ray's headphones.

[Moses Hacmon]

Headphones on. I love that song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I think she's just Addison now. No longer.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh yeah, she dropped red. Yeah. She decided she is just going by Addison.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. She revealed her debut album album today, actually. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's it called?

[Moses Hacmon]

Addison Love.

[Trisha Paytas]

She really is everywhere. I love her so much.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's it girl. I Don't know if you'll care but Lord is making her come back to.

[Trisha Paytas]

We just mentioned Lord. I love Lord.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, do work. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

Diamonds. I never seen diamonds in Royals, but yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Right. Wrong title. Right song.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, yeah. Remember the song? It was so big.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was everywhere. She was only 6, 16 when that came out. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She's British.

[Moses Hacmon]

She is from New Zealand.

[Trisha Paytas]

The mix up all the time. Oh, New Zealand. In the headlines. Robert Irwin has been announced on Australia. Close enough.

[Moses Hacmon]

Countries.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess he's really making a splash this year.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, he is. It is the year of Robert, the year of the snake and year of Robert Irwin, which makes sense. Year of the snake.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he a snake?

[Moses Hacmon]

He loves snakes. That was his undies. Photo shoot was him and the snake. So that's right.

[Trisha Paytas]

He did have a snake on him. I think for the reveal too, for the dancing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Bindi was on Dancing with the Stars back in the day, so it does make sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, I think. I think he was on there as like a correspondent. I saw a clip of him at like 9 years old and like, would you ever want to be. He is pretty cute. I don't know if I could compete against that now I'm kind of thinking about it, like, should I be on this?

[Moses Hacmon]

He is a national treasure.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. How could you even compete?

[Moses Hacmon]

And very athletic.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't even think I want to, like, be around pureness like that. I feel like I would taint it.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know, I thought that they made Robert Irwin like the big, like, first celebrity reveal. It's like, it's almost like celebrity Big Brother, like you were saying. It's like, it's almost set up. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

So everyone else signing up. You're signing up to be a loser.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, I'm used to being a loser. I maybe, maybe I'll consider it. It. If they ask, would they.

[Moses Hacmon]

Have they ever had a pregnant person on?

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I'm gonna have a baby in July. I think it starts in September.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. Oh, I thought it started way sooner.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, they only have one now. They used to do spring and fall.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay. For some reason since they were announced Robert Irwin. I thought it was like a month.

[Trisha Paytas]

No.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay. So there's a ways to go that makes sense. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Baby will be out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Perfect. Yeah. Then you can definitely do it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, maybe. We'll see. Debating. It's that or the masked singer.

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly, masked singer would also eat.

[Trisha Paytas]

We were watching it the other day. There was a bat on there. Sheena Shay. No idea.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's from Bravo.

[Trisha Paytas]

Horrible singer. And I was like, why could it be on that show? You know what I mean? Like, she was. We knew she was gonna get revealed because she was bad. Wendy was on there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Back in the day. Did you see the lips?

[Trisha Paytas]

The big mouth?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was so crazy. And she was just like, giggling.

[Moses Hacmon]

I loved it. Of New Yorker. Oh, you knew it from Tick Tock. Yeah. I was all, tik tok.

[Trisha Paytas]

She does a little snore. She's like, I like that show. I think that's a good one. They have not asked me. Neither one has asked me. I'm just saying.

[Moses Hacmon]

Putting it out there. Yeah. Yeah. I think you just got to put it out there.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think it always works that way.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

For better or worse. Rip Pope. It is so crazy. I know. You sent me that clip, I think, and I'm like, damn, I really need to watch my humor.

[Moses Hacmon]

You have to be careful.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. But I do have a lot. There's probably a clip for everything, honestly. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true when you talk, but still.

[Oscar]

It'S like a very small, specific thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that is true.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is funny. Between the two podcasts and Tik Tok, you do have like, what, like, eight to ten hours of content. Oh, so eight to ten hours of you talking a week. So there is going to be something for everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, there's something's fun to come out. I've been doing pretty good, though, as far as keeping it cute. Mine is the green day, but other than that, I.

[Moses Hacmon]

But when you talk that much, you know you're going to have your. Your stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wigs are tight. My head is swollen these days.

[Moses Hacmon]

Lights are bright.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, the light. Those lights.

[Moses Hacmon]

The lights will do it to you for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. But I'm excited for Robert Irwin's takeover, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Speaking. Robert Irwin had his big undies photo shoot now Walton Goggins had his big.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, this was my hottest topic. I sent it to Moses.

[Oscar]

I'm like, she's like, she wants me to do that.

[Moses Hacmon]

I do kind of have to. Yeah, you kind of have to do.

[Oscar]

It when they have these abs out.

[Trisha Paytas]

But your. But your thighs are so much better. Like, Moses has these, like, really solid thighs. Are your thighs squishy or solid, would you say right now?

[Moses Hacmon]

They got a little squish right now because I haven't been able to work out, but they can get pretty solid, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone I know has, like, its thighs. They're squished. Moses are like tree trunks. They're like the hardest thing. There's, like, nothing to it. It's like it hurts. Like, if you hit your head on them, they hurt. They're so strong. So when I saw Walter Goggins.

[Moses Hacmon]

Walton.

[Trisha Paytas]

Walton Goggins. I know it, too. I switch back and forth. I saw Walton Goggins. Like, I was like. That would be because his thighs were all up. Like, they were like, this the one I sent you that meme where I was like, this is the meme, but it's not what I said, but something like the crackhead at the 711 or something like that. He was like, on the floor and Moses did question mark. And I was like, that's Goggins doing the photo shoot. That was him. And it was so cute. So it was so hot. It was so hot. Let's just be real. So high. I immediately think of Moses. I was like, oh, my God, this could be you. You want to grow your hair out a little. Grow it out a little. Like, that length that he has it. Yellow Speedo. It was all over my timeline. And look, I don't like to jump on the bandwagons too much. I was like, okay, everyone likes Walton Goggins. Okay, whatever. I'm not gonna be that person. But that one sold it for me. That one was, like, gorge. And I don't know what it is, like, what it is about him.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, he is really tall, really fit.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he tall?

[Moses Hacmon]

He doesn't he look really. I should. Let me look up his height. I always assumed he was very tall because he looks, like, pretty tall.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he looks petite to me. I think he looks a little.

[Oscar]

The show next to her. He didn't look much taller.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's 5 10. He's pretty tall.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so I'm taller.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh.

[Oscar]

I'm just saying, if you want to have a.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Yes, yes.

[Oscar]

Sorry, I can't do it. I'm too tall.

[Trisha Paytas]

But there is, like, he. That was, like, the hottest. Most, as Moses was saying, mesmerizing. Like a mesmerizing photo strip scene in a while where I just, like, couldn't stop staring. My whole fy. My whole timeline on X was about that. My whole Tik Tok was about that. That Instagram was about that. He said they shot it. What was the magazine?

[Moses Hacmon]

Culture.

[Trisha Paytas]

Culture. They shot it at Santa Monica Pierre Park. And he said that they were kicked out. Almost kicked out.

[Moses Hacmon]

That makes sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, because they were in the Ferris wheel, and he was pretty. Just spread eagle. Just crotch out. Crotch is a political term. PC term.

[Moses Hacmon]

Can we say that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know what you can say anymore. You can't say fire crotch, but you can say crotch, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Crotch just out. And I. I just don't think we see enough men's crotches these days. Because I don't like a penis. I don't want to see the penis. Okay. But a crotch.

[Moses Hacmon]

Just a bulge.

[Trisha Paytas]

A bulge?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You think he stuffed it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, he reposted an Instagram reel, and it was talking about. It was like, a gay guy. He was like, I just know it's heavy. I know it's heavy.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And Walton reposted it, so I guess that kind of confirms that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, the bulge is heavy.

[Moses Hacmon]

The thrust.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's heavy? The balls. What part is heavy?

[Oscar]

There's not that many parts.

[Trisha Paytas]

I've never heard it called heavy before.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, really? I guess in gay. It's like, always like, oh, I know it's heavy.

[Trisha Paytas]

The load. What is heavy? What is that? What part? Tell me.

[Moses Hacmon]

The schlong. The schlong are you holding? Just has weight to it, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, okay, I. I agree. Yeah. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

He does have bde, I think. A tall, slender man. A tall, slender white guy, let me tell you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Usually packing, so. Yeah, yeah, it does make sense. It does make sense.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, also just the way. Because. You know what I mean? Like, he's obviously. Everyone thinks he's sexy, of course, but he's, like, conventionally not attractive. Do you know what I mean? Like, people would say, receding hairline, the teeth, whatever, whatever. But obviously he's, like, sexy, and everyone thinks he's sexy. So I think that energy either comes from within or a big schlong. Yeah, yeah. Always. Always the case. So good for him. Honestly, I love that he's showing it off. I love that they did that photo shoot, and I love seeing men of a certain age also just showing everything, you know, I love when women do it, but women have been doing it for a while, so I love when a man just takes it all off and doesn't complain. He's not like Jason Isaacs, where he's like, stop looking at my penis, sir. You have it out for the whole world to see. And he's embracing it. He just retweeted someone saying, you know, it's heavy. So he's proud of it, and I love to see it. I love showing off the body. I mean, he is. He has a great body, too. I mean, obviously he is, like, in really good shape, but he's beautiful. I want to watch everything he's in now. What's that one? Fallout.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, Fallout. Fallout.

[Trisha Paytas]

Righteous gemstone. Like, anything. He's in. Vice Principal. Anything. He's in. I'm like, sign me up. Let me watch it. I don't think I've seen him anything. Maybe Django. I guess he was in Django Unchained. I kind of don't remember him in it, but I'll rewatch that too. I'll be watching.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's a rumor that him and Amy Lou would have a new show in pre production right now, which obviously is interesting because of the rumors that they're feuding or whatever.

[Trisha Paytas]

So they did that for pr Honestly, maybe that's right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I think people will automatically want to watch it if it's, like, Amy Lou and Walton Goggins reunited.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a risky one, though, because, like, Rick and Chelsea were iconic characters. Like, you know, when you see them on, like, God, who was it? There was someone who did movies together.

[Moses Hacmon]

Ah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. Sometimes when you see him in a different setting, it's kind of like, oh, it's not. It's not White Lotus. It's not Rick and Chelsea. You know what I mean? So I think it is. But they're both it. They're both it people at the moment, so I guess that makes sense.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. The first, like, age gap relationship I didn't hate. I guess usually I'm like, ugh, I hate it. You know what? I did hate his character. Remember the first two episodes? I was like, I hate people like that. Like, he was, like, grossing me out the first two and then. And we got on board with it, but I usually hate that kind of guy.

[Oscar]

They can replace Justin Waldoni and Blake Lively.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, what? Why? What?

[Oscar]

They can be the new couple in this.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was in White Lotus and all.

[Oscar]

The movies that are coming up.

[Moses Hacmon]

What movies? What wines?

[Oscar]

The book. Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

It ends with us, like, the sequel. Because why? They look like each other. But I don't get.

[Oscar]

They're a great couple, and I think it will be more believable. It could be a better.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, because they're feuding or something. Like, I don't. I'm trying to get the correlation. But okay.

[Oscar]

Right. There's a feud, but the feud is not as deep and real as Justin.

[Trisha Paytas]

Baldoni and Blake Lively should go on White Lotus. They should be a couple on there. Do you think they'll ever work together again? I wonder if they would, like, just come back together.

[Oscar]

I mean, if they get an offer of, like, a billion dollar because they're suing each other.

[Trisha Paytas]

Billion is crazy, babe.

[Oscar]

Because they're suing each other for 400 million. So I think it has to be like double that too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I kind of like the idea of them, like, coming back together one day to do like, White Lotus or something.

[Oscar]

I don't know. I mean, I don't care about them anymore, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, obviously you were thinking about that. They were on your mind.

[Oscar]

No, I'm thinking of the replacement because I don't want to see them anymore.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like me and Shane, if we're back on Escape, if we're on Escape the Night together, you know, it's like a reunion everybody wants to see.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or Traders.

[Moses Hacmon]

Whoa.

[Trisha Paytas]

That would do it. Because I have no hatred towards Shane. You know, I have very few hatred towards people, but Shane, I have no hatred. So I think if I saw him, it's like tea. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. You could work it out on the remix and they'll put you both and.

[Oscar]

You both be traitors. Of course.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Then you have to work together.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, we would be Caroline and Danielle, part two, 2.0. I would 100% be like, we're turning on you. We're gonna kill you. They were so crazy. The fact that they wanted to kill each other was so wild. Danielle kept throwing Carolyn under the bus. That'd be me with Shane for sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

Episode one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Episode one. If they were like, Boston Robbed. But someone has to take someone out right now. I'd absolutely be like, oh, no. Shane had keeping because it's good tv. But I would take someone out because why wouldn't you? That's the time to do it. Yes. I don't want to move on too quickly from that photo shoot though. I think Moses should recruit. That's all I want for my birthday. My birthday is coming up in a few weeks.

[Oscar]

How about when you come back from tour, I'll wait for you like that at home.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can you take a picture though, too? Tick tock.

[Oscar]

So you can do a recreation for your eyes only.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was he wearing cowboy boots in it?

[Oscar]

Yeah, I think so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Ah, just. And I loved him in, like, the Porta Potty. Go to Venice Beach. That's where he did it. Like, go to Venice Beach.

[Oscar]

Oh, my God. If you hear about me getting arrested, you'll know why.

[Trisha Paytas]

That would be so cute. Go with, like, Naz, like, or Irma or someone. No, no, Isaiah. He's a guy. Isaiah would do it, you know, he's so quick. I would die, babe. Oh, my God. If you did that.

[Oscar]

I'll green screen it. Just use a little green screen. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll take that Speedo. Oh, my God.

[Oscar]

For the Ferris wheel background in our garage.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. There you go. Yeah.

[Oscar]

They'll think I'm nuts.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, that'd be so cute. Because that's all I thought. That's all I thought about for the past 24 hours. I sent it to Moses. I sent it to Cedric. I was sending it to everyone.

[Oscar]

I was like, I do need to figure out a big gift for your birthday.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's a. That's a big one. It's a heavy one.

[Oscar]

We'll frame it.

[Trisha Paytas]

We'll frame it behind you. Just the crotch behind you. It's so good. I love him. I love when people. I guess what I. Lotus is that show for older people. It's like Jennifer Coolidge. Like, they just really give them, like, this, like, stardom all of a sudden. Yeah. Because I have to be a little older for my second wind.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, Amy Lou is young, so that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

True, but did she have a first window?

[Moses Hacmon]

She was in. Oh, my God. What was this? Was it sex education she was in?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, she's been in a show.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. Right. It did shoot her to stardom, too, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Sex education.

[Trisha Paytas]

She is wonderful. I hope she acts in everything. I saw Bone Yang also said, like, you know, she's entitled to feel how she is, and sometimes comics go too far.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that's exactly how I thought he would reply. And same with Sarah Sherman. She, like, sent her flowers and apologized. That's exactly what I expected for them. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you know, they're the ones keeping SNL alive. Bowen and Sarah. I love each other.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And all those writers. Because those writers behind the scenes, too.

[Trisha Paytas]

As we know, are Jimmy, Foxy, Asha. Love them all.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Will, I know all the writers. Just the ones who wrote my sketch, but they are the ones making it happen. Not gonna lie. They're killing it. I love us. I want to go back.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. You should.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was my career highlight. And that's it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, you were just across the street from them in New York, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know, I know. I really thought maybe they asked me to be a musical guest if someone dropped out. Lizzo or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

You instead of Morgan Wallen, who didn't even want to be there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Absolutely. Just walking out is crazy. I would do a song with Lizzo. I think I love. I loved her on snl. I think I really like her. It's taking me a while on the Lizzo train, too, because, like, I didn't really know. I wasn't, like, I didn't know about her, you know, like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I think I really like her.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so, too. I was. The. The lawsuit against her was something fierce, but I think that went away or like. Like nothing ever came of it because.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

It wasn't enough there. So I guess she's back in innocence. I guess so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Once you do that body transformation, everyone's like, we love you. Doesn't matter who you are.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Saving it for when I go need it. Yeah. Time to get ripped. Ah, sounds like that'll work.

[Moses Hacmon]

There was another article again, the Katy Perry space saga. Now, the latest development was that that Katy Perry is now regretting her Blue Origin space flight as she struggles with the continued criticism of her bizarre behavior. This is from the Daily Mail, though, so take it with a great.

[Trisha Paytas]

Daily Mail Never knows.

[Moses Hacmon]

They're a little all over the place. Yeah. But they said following the backlash, that Katy Perry is now experiencing second thoughts about her flight. They said an inside source has called the criticism unexpected and disheartening for the rest of the all female crew. And the source said Katie doesn't regret going to space. It was life changing. What she does regret is making a public spectacle out of it. So they mentioned she regrets, like, kissing the ground right after and holding up the daisy. Oh, and all of that stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

Camp, though, I think there's some other things she should regret before that. That's, like, a weird thing to, like, put out as a publicist to be like, she regrets this, but not, like, working with Dr. Luke. You know what I mean? Like, that's kind of a weird thing because to me, that's camp and fun. That's like, whatever. Maybe, like. Like, okay, they spent a ton of money to send her up to space or whatever. Okay, maybe that. But, like, her holding a daisy isn't affecting anybody.

[Moses Hacmon]

But also, they were gonna spend that money with or without Katy Perry as well.

[Oscar]

So, I mean, it was designed as a media stand and they chose her to be the celebrity on the stuff.

[Trisha Paytas]

She was, like, the biggest draw, right?

[Oscar]

Like, I mean, yeah, they put her front and center, so it's not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Gail King kind of stole it, though, with, like, the ringing the bell meme. I hadn't seen it when he told me about her ringing the bell, and I was kind of like, what a mood. She was just like, not. That's me all the time. Like, just not wanting to be there. So she did kind of steal the show. But, yeah, Katie was the drop for sure. Like, Katie in space was wild.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because like we said, like, celebrities have gone into space before, but I think this was the most talked about because of Katy Perry to her, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

She kind of making a splash. Even though she gets, like. You know, there's like. She's divisive. There's divisive people on it. I feel like she's like. I saw Danny Directo interviewing her.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. In Mexico.

[Trisha Paytas]

Opening night. Night. Was that last night or tonight? Today.

[Moses Hacmon]

The ET interviewed her yesterday in Mexico. Her opening night is Wednesday today. Yeah. Mexico. Mexico City.

[Trisha Paytas]

It looks good.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. The costumes look fierce. I think the she on the blue origin, she, like, showed her set list for the tour, and I think that was probably what we could have nixed because no one could read the words on the paper, you know? So. Yeah, so. And it was more like promotion of the tour. Her. Well, so I think the thing with the daisy, I thought that was cute. Again, love. When she's holding up the daisy, her hair is floating.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm like, yeah, no, I thought it was cute, too. I thought it was, like, all campy, fun cute.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

At the end of the day, it was kind of all funny. I mean, like you said, with or without these people, they would have spent the money. People are spending money on this happening all the time. So it's like, whatever.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. To me, I'm like. I only. I look at Jeff, out of everyone. I'm like, jeff Bezos. I'm looking at you. I'm not really caring about kids. He Perry me on. You know what I mean? I'm like, jeff Bezos. What are you up to?

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, why?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because he is.

[Oscar]

He orchestrated.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's his. His whole thing. It's his company.

[Oscar]

Just. It's just one big commercial for the services that he's providing for rich people to go up to space and come back. That's all it is. It's just showing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do we like Jeff Bezos or is he like an Elon? We like him, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, he's a billionaire. Could probably solve all the world. A lot of the world's problems. But look what he's doing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Instead, you know, I'm. There's some charity, I'm sure in there, but he's spending billions on space.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I want an Amazon deal.

[Oscar]

Maybe let us know in the comments because we'll issue an apology next episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think Zach Sang is getting Amazon money. He gets, like, Amazon music or something like that. I need some Amazon money, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, so I see.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're not totally against Him.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, God. I mean, what's. Where's your shirt from today, Moses? Oh, Amazon.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is it Amazon? You shop at Amazon? Of course.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Everyone. Everyone does. We can't get away from that for sure. Yeah. But, yeah, so he's a little inescapable, but that's what I'm saying. I think out of everyone, I think focus criticism at him. If anything, you know, he's the mastermind behind the operation. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are there any billionaire ladies in the world?

[Moses Hacmon]

Taylor Swift is a billionaire, but. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Kylie Jenner, I guess. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think Kim Kardashian is one now.

[Trisha Paytas]

Damn.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I'm sure there's actual, like, you know, inventors and stuff like that, but those are the ones I know because of obvious reasons. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like a smart lady who has a billion dollars. Someone out there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Someone in tech, I'm sure. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Billion is crazy. A lot. Maybe Oprah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, probably. I think. Let me see now. I'm kind of curious.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or she'd lose some of her steam.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, there's quite a few. There's 337 women listed on the world's billionaires. Anyone that's immediately recognizable, I'm sure they're very talented ladies in whatever field that they're in, but I. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do not know one of them. Damn. Yeah. They're not as out there as, like, the Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk of the world.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

If you're smart, you stay out of the public eye.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so true. If I was a billionaire, I'd want to, like, hide from everybody. Like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because for the overall billionaires, it's number one's Elon Musk. Number two is Mark Zuckerberg. Number three is Jeff Bezos.

[Trisha Paytas]

All dubious.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Little.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah. There is the argument. Can there be an ethical billionaire? I don't know. I truly don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

When you're worth that much. Yeah, yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

215 billion is Jeff Bezos. 216 billion from Mark Zuckerberg. 342 billion for Elon Musk.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't understand. So when they, like, log into their bank account, that's all in that bank account.

[Moses Hacmon]

What's their net worth? So you know how that goes. It's kind of like a.

[Trisha Paytas]

Where's all the money?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's a combination of net worth is, like, all their assets or whatever, but I'm sure in their bank account is at least a billion.

[Trisha Paytas]

You log in and there's a billion dollars.

[Moses Hacmon]

A lot of zeros. There's A lot of zeros at Wells.

[Trisha Paytas]

Fargo just holding a billion dollars.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is there a special bank account for like billionaires?

[Trisha Paytas]

There's no way you're going to like Chase bank and withdrawing using your debit card at Ralph's with a billion dollars.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, there has to be something going on. But did you see Ben Affleck? No. He kind of made me like, Ben Affleck. Well, he was talking about like having his kids, like one of his kids asked for $6,000 sneakers. He's like, dad, can I get these sneakers? Like I, we can afford it. He's like, you can't afford it. I can afford it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

What?

[Trisha Paytas]

A $6,000 sneaker that never seen anything?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think that's kind of what Ben was saying. He was like, why do you need this? He was kind of like, I'm all for supporting children and giving them what they want, but this is like a luxury. And I think something like this, then you kind of have to work a little bit more for it. He's a teenager. Let me see what his throwing your.

[Trisha Paytas]

Child under the bus, being like, look at this entitled little brat asking for 6,000. Like, Jesus, why are you sharing all the stories?

[Moses Hacmon]

He is 16, his son 16.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I also want to know what $6,000 sneakers look like. Cuz like Louboutins are like 1200. Like, I just feel like the most expensive sneaker cannot be $6,000. I think you just made the story up.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, they, they go up Dior, Air Force ones.

[Oscar]

There's, there's 10 and 30,000.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what do they look like? Should I get one?

[Oscar]

No, they're not.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just refunded my hot dog. I have $7,000 to spend.

[Oscar]

Give her ideas.

[Trisha Paytas]

My hot dog didn't come in time. We had to send it back cuz it didn't come on time. And they refunded me, but Now I have $7,000 dope, kind of.

[Moses Hacmon]

They go all the way up to $145,833.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, can I see a picture? Do you have a picture?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, here.

[Oscar]

If you think about like purses for women, sneakers are for men. It's the same.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I've seen this one before. This is like an older one.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, this one, I guess cuz it's older and not in production. It's worth 145,000.

[Trisha Paytas]

But do I have them? I feel like I do. I feel like I bought this one for real. I feel like it came out like 2020 when I was making so much money. I feel Like I have this one. One. Have you seen it show Moses? Cuz I swear I have it somewhere. Right?

[Oscar]

Dior.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Oh, y. To sell those.

[Oscar]

You had the Dior moment where like every week there's just boxes and boxes of Dior coming into the house.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to say I have.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz I had Air Force One moment. So I think I was buying Dior and Air Force ones. That's crazy. I think I have.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, I have to look. For real?

[Moses Hacmon]

You really do? Cuz that is worth a lot of money. Then you can show that your shopping addiction paid off.

[Trisha Paytas]

Off. Like I got an investment. I probably don't have any of the original boxes or notes. I always throw that out. I'm always like. But I feel like I have that one for real. I have to look. I have no idea where anything is.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess when you have your organizer, have them look out for.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. They just take them.

[Moses Hacmon]

Didn't see them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that was. I want to do an estate sale. But like I don't want people. I don't know if I want people to come to the house. Can I do an estate sale somewhere else?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, probably just. Just put yourself on my lawn, I guess. Your lawn?

[Trisha Paytas]

Why not come to Oscar's house and get all this stuff.

[Oscar]

Just do a popup shop. We want to do a popup.

[Trisha Paytas]

I want to do a popup shop.

[Oscar]

Yeah, we can just rent a shop for a.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can I just. We can just sell all the stuff from our house in there.

[Oscar]

Anything you want, you just put a tag on it.

[Trisha Paytas]

So much stuff. And like my mom can't ship everything on Poshmark cuz there's like a weight limit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God. That's such a good idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And what. How do we collect money? We just like take the cash.

[Moses Hacmon]

You set up a little like. What's it called? What's that?

[Trisha Paytas]

Squarespace.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, exactly. Or like square reader we have there.

[Oscar]

Yeah. You can call it the Pope up shop.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay.

[Oscar]

And it looks like a church.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

A picture, a performance.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll do a little performance there. Okay. Yeah, Yeah. I need to. We have so much stuff and I just want everyone to come and just like take.

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly, it's the easiest. No shipping, no packaging, you know. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

We've been talking about this for a minute, so maybe. Maybe this is.

[Moses Hacmon]

That is a good idea.

[Trisha Paytas]

I like it. There's so much I have. So.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that'd be so fun too.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just rummaged through my.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Team gestures working at the.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's My mom, my sister, Moses me. All right, come, we'll let you know where it's happening.

[Moses Hacmon]

That'd be everything.

[Trisha Paytas]

There's just so much.

[Moses Hacmon]

I love the pop up shop.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you go to them?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I went to when Kylie Jenner had hers back in the day. I love the Kylie Pop Up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Weren't you into like Sabrina's and stuff?

[Moses Hacmon]

Chapel, Ron's Pop Up Up.

[Trisha Paytas]

What happened to them? They just stopped doing them?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, they're still doing them. Jenny from Blackpink just had one last or a week or two ago.

[Trisha Paytas]

You didn't go?

[Moses Hacmon]

No, cuz my back I couldn't. I couldn't deal with.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

How is it walking down the block? It's getting better, but yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Can you like walk around more?

[Moses Hacmon]

I can walk more, yeah. But when the Jenny one was happening and I love Jenny so I really wanted to go more than Lisa. That is tough. And I love Ros too. I think whose music? I think I like Jenny's album probably the most out of the. Yeah. Out of the four Blackpink girls. But I love them all.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love Jenny from the Idol.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh yeah, of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

So good. One of my favorites. Oh my God. She wanna. Didn't they want like an Emmy for that song or something?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it was. I don't know if they won an Emmy for it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Something.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was like the most streamed out of the whole.

[Trisha Paytas]

They won an award.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they won an award and I was like, that's crazy. And it was like a year after the backlash of the show.

[Moses Hacmon]

The weekend's movie comes out soon. He has. He has his premiere.

[Trisha Paytas]

It comes out tomorrow. The premieres tomorrow. The premiere already happen tomorrow. We didn't get invited to that.

[Oscar]

I just saw it on Tik Tok on his account.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh no. Hurry up. Tomorrow is what it's called. It comes out May 16th.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so there's a little time. I'm so excited for it. They had something at Coachella, right? Like Hurry Up Tomorrow Ride?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Cuz Jenna and Abel did like a little photo shoot together. Ortega. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my God, I'm so excited. It's a horror movie.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is a psychological thriller starring Janet Ortega and Barry Keoghan.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, jump Scare. And Abel's in it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah. And it's based on the Weeknd's album.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I love that. He always does. Like what was it at Horror Night? Horror Nights.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just everything based on his music.

[Moses Hacmon]

Love. Very you coded as well?

[Trisha Paytas]

Very me coded. Abel, please come on the podcast. Maybe they're trying to Be in.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God. Sliding to his DMS again.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's been a while. Yeah, it's been a minute. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

He has something to promote. He's obviously doing presses. If he's doing a premiere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Has he impressed? Does he talk, though?

[Moses Hacmon]

He hasn't done anything yet. But I know the premiere is like, in a week or two. It's in. The premiere is in New York, May 14th.

[Oscar]

So the name is Hurry up. Tomorrow. Yeah, that's why I thought it was tomorrow. The event screening is May 14, and there's many different seasons.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, what city is May 14?

[Oscar]

Am I hearing there's a lot. There's a long list of cities. It's really small to see here.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, well, where's the big one? Where's he gonna be?

[Moses Hacmon]

His main premiere is New York. The big premiere.

[Oscar]

Albany. That's New York, Albuquerque, Atlanta. I mean, kind of everywhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

I need to know the premiere, babe. I need to know the big one. Where are we getting Getty Imaged at?

[Moses Hacmon]

Slide into those DMs. He'll get the prayer hand emoji again.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm gonna go. That looks good. I want to see it. I love Jenn Ortega. Season 2 of Wednesday. Trailer drop.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Coming out in August.

[Trisha Paytas]

Said airport it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's weird to see Wednesday outside of like an Addams Family setting, you know, like outside the Gothic School, the Gothic Forest. It's like she's just like in lax. The United line, bringing those bags up. Like, I was like, that's such an odd aesthetic for.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think that was probably the point.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Is to put her somewhat normal for the contrast of, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I don't know if I agree with that choice, Tim Burton, but I'm sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

Most of it will be in the school. I think that was probably just like a bit, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it was a little off putting. Oh, my God, another one. Speaking of directors, you see in the studio or.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, no, not yet.

[Trisha Paytas]

Don't. What? It's so bad.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wait.

[Trisha Paytas]

And most loves it. Moses cackles at it. And like last night we were eating dinner and I was like, in a good mood. I wasn't in a bad mood, but I was like, oh, this is so unfunny. And Moses kept laughing, like, out loud. And then he had me rewind it. We're right. Because, like, Malibu was talking. He's like, no, rewind it. Because you got to hear that part. So I was like, okay. So then I rewind it. And I like, nothing happened the whole.

[Oscar]

Scene was a one shot and every element in the scene somehow came back later. So I was like, well, you want understand later if you didn't see how it started.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never understood it anyways. And I rewound it and everything. I was like, this is. Nothing happened. Nothing happened. Those one shots are actually the worst because nothing's happening. I was like, they're just.

[Oscar]

So much was happening. It was an amazing episode.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was like so much dialogue. Like you would think they would like whoever. I don't know who wrote this, but you would think that they were like Quentin Tarantino, like trying to write this dialogue for 30 minutes. And like, it couldn't have been more boring, awful. It was so bad and everyone kind of raves about it. And I was kind of like, okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it is adored by critics, but not you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. That's why I want you to watch it. Because I'm like, am I just like crazy or like, because I'm pretty? I love a new show and I wanted to watch that with you. I was like, oh, let's watch it. And I'm. We're two episodes in and I'm like, I really can't get into it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like it's one of those shows and I feel like this about almost every Apple TV show where I trust everyone that it is a good show. But I also trust that it's probably not for me because my attention span is just, you know, I need to like be. Look like the White Lotus. Not. Maybe not everything is going on, but it looks pretty beautiful. The vibe is there, you know? Yeah, the vibe is there. And then the last of us I can get into because there's at least zombies attacking. There's like something for a sensory experience, you know. But yeah, yeah, it's like a backlot. I see a backlot every day when I go to work.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's the thing. And it's also just like stressful. You were comparing it to Curb Enthusiasm, which is another show I can't stand.

[Oscar]

But he lives and he's just like that specific episode. Everything that could go wrong went wrong. So that's basically what Kirby.

[Trisha Paytas]

So why would you want your anxiety induced. Why are we watching this? Because it's just so stressful. Everything's bad, everything's going wrong. Everyone's mad at each other. There's so much tension. I'm like, this is just feels like real life. I don't need to like watch this.

[Moses Hacmon]

About the bear too. That's why I can't really watch the bear.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, that was another one too. I know. People love it. We tried to.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It just stresses me out. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't want to watch a stressful.

[Moses Hacmon]

Show yelling all the time. I'm like, oh, my God. This is kind of exhausting.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so. That's so it. Yeah, I was watching. I was like, I don't know, a lot of F bombs. A little too many F bombs for me. Just not my cup of tea. And I'm sorry, we disagree with this. Complete. Because he's like, no, Seth. I like, I don't even see Seth Rogen as the character. All I see is Seth Rogen.

[Oscar]

You know, that specific episode, he was the main person in that.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I think all I see is Seth Rogen in every role he does. Not that it's like a bad thing. If you love Seth Rogen, that's great.

[Oscar]

Yeah, he definitely is his. Himself.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I thought you were saying you don't see him. You're like, he's just.

[Oscar]

No, I just said other episodes. He's not as much of a main character as this one was. Yeah, this one. He was the person that everything was going wrong around him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just like, really. Not for me, that show. But.

[Oscar]

But it was pretty fast paced. It was funny and I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I would say no to that one. If they asked me to be on it, I would decline. I would decline the offer.

[Oscar]

I think there's literally everyone is on the show. Like Martin Scorsese. Like everyone plays. Yeah, like everyone plays themselves.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was it Greta Gerwig in this last episode, the director, or was they just called her Greta?

[Oscar]

It must have been because everyone else is the person.

[Trisha Paytas]

So. Yeah, it was interesting. So I mean, I gather get big names.

[Moses Hacmon]

At least you is back. So you could have that. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

When? Today. When is it Today?

[Moses Hacmon]

Thursday. So as this is up.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, he's out collar daddy. God, he's. I do love my badgle.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know. I do love him too.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's not giving Walton Goggin sexy, but he's. He's definitely charming.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he's very. You can tell he reads a lot of books. You know what I mean? Like, he just has a very like scholarly.

[Trisha Paytas]

He would hate us.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I agree with him.

[Trisha Paytas]

Never would come in this.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, no.

[Trisha Paytas]

I could just tell, like, he just like, what is this? You know, Even call her daddy. Even though it's like very esteemed. I could tell he was probably like.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let me be here.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, this is getting a lot of views. I'm here. But he just looks over everything. The Dan from Gossip Girl. I think he just hates it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think he is. Probably be ready for the chapter to end, I would think. You know, he's been playing this character seven years.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a long time.

[Moses Hacmon]

A long time.

[Trisha Paytas]

He said. He said no originally or he didn't want to do it originally?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, he didn't want to do it originally because he didn't know if he wanted to be the face of the character of Joe Goldberg and bring this character to life. But, I mean, it's done wonders for his career. Really gave him a. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't know him from Gossip Girl or anything. And to be honest, we don't like Gossip Girl either. We would try to watch it. We try to watch, like, I don't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Know, maybe 10 episodes recently or, like, back then, a couple years ago. Okay. I love Gossip Girl, but I haven't, like, re watched it recently, so I. I don't know how well it has aged.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it is kind of boring to me. But it's no Glee, I'll tell you that. It was on at the same time, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so, yeah. Because I was in high school when Gossip Girl was on and Glee, so. Yeah. What a time for television.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I mean, it seems like the hits back then.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Glee does hold up, though. No, please. Doesn't hold up, But a little racist. Just a lot. That whole show is, like, ableist racist. Like, and it's like, I get it. Like, the jokes, but also, like, what.

[Moses Hacmon]

Penn Badgley talked about on Call Her Daddy, the era where he was dating Blake Lively, which I thought was interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

What did he say?

[Moses Hacmon]

He just said basically how he kind of got into that relationship almost because he was 20, and it was hard to, like, separate the demands of him as an actor on Gossip Girl, like, where their characters were love interests. He said he kind of fell into it because of that. Like, that's how he, like, had feelings.

[Trisha Paytas]

For Blake Lively because of the character.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because they were playing characters in love with each other.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I always say on these things. How do you not fall in love, Especially when you're young? Like, you might be like, oh, we should probably date. Yeah, we have chemistry.

[Moses Hacmon]

And he said because it was such a phenomenon, he felt, like, the pressure to kind of be Dan Humphrey as well. So that was also a part of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's so funny.

[Moses Hacmon]

But they. They dated, like, the early seasons of Gossip Girl, and they still had a post breakup. They were still working as exes for, like, three seasons. And he said that they still had, like, a good working relationship at least.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, probably because, like, if it was, like, not a real relationship, if you thought he had to be that, he probably was like, it doesn't really matter.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And they were young. Like, he was 28. I forget. I think she was probably in her early 20s too, so. Yeah, it's great because she went from Penn badgles like Leonardo DiCaprio, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She has a definitely good dating history. Like, she only gets the hot men.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I in high school, though, being obsessed with, like, Blake and Pen dating.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. They're like. You know, when you see.

[Trisha Paytas]

You fell into it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Characters that, like people who play characters that are in love. And then in real life, like, same with, like, Zach and Vanessa Hudgins. It's like, how can you not be obsessed?

[Trisha Paytas]

You know, they kind of have to date at that point. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

When it's like from screen to real life, it's like, I don't know, it like, affects the parasocial really jumps out, I think, for sure.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because you're like, oh, my God, they love each other in real life, like, who was it? Oh, it's like the very Bridgerton. Like Nicola and Luke there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. People wanting them to.

[Trisha Paytas]

To date Walton and Amy Lou.

[Moses Hacmon]

True.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. We want something there.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is very much a thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I guess it's a good test of Camry. It's true. But that's. Again, I just don't think, like, I should ever be an actor because that would be so confusing. I'm like, are we in love or are we just good actors? I don't know. You know what I mean? It's so. Because I do think you just have to feel something. I. I make this argument all the time on here. I feel like you have to feel something. Something to be able to act that way. Although I guess there's people who hate each other and they're like, play love interest. They. You. What was one. There was one where they said they didn't. I guess Justin and Blake. Guess they did not like each other and they had to do sex scenes and stuff. So I guess you can fake it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think maybe you just. You have to have intense emotions because, like, hate is still, like, a very intense emotion. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Moses thinks hate is love. Right. Is that your philosophy? No, love is. You say always something. You're like, if you hate someone, you love them.

[Oscar]

No. You either hate everyone or you love everyone. There's no middle ground.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is the argument I always get into. He thinks there's no middle. You either love everyone or you hate everyone.

[Oscar]

If you hate one person, you hate the whole world. I stand by it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I am thinking about it.

[Oscar]

If you can't acknowledge everyone as being the same and like an understanding that you could have been any person in this world, like if you were born in their shoes, you would be that person. Yeah, but you have no right. No, we don't have the right to judge anyone.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love you. But there's a few, they're called people I hate. That's crazy. So you think I hate you. All right. You think I hate my children.

[Oscar]

Say like you can't fully love everyone if you hate someone.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm not saying you have to love everyone, but you don't hate everyone either.

[Oscar]

Right, but it's not like, it doesn't mean that if there's a person that hurt me now for me to hate them now, I become them. I became a hateful person. But I'm not going to change myself. I'm not going to become hateful because that person.

[Trisha Paytas]

But you love that person. You love the person that wronged you.

[Oscar]

I love them, but I'm not going to tell them into my life and be their friend. That's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy. You love people.

[Oscar]

That's the most basic Christian thing there is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Are you Christian? Where did that.

[Oscar]

No, but I'm saying if you like, that's really the most basic.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, Christian over there. All right, let us know in the comments. Cuz I honestly, this is like one thing I will never agree on.

[Oscar]

It's a very challenging one. But yeah, that's why the reaction.

[Trisha Paytas]

But there's a couple people I hate. Doesn't mean I'm gonna hate everybody in my life.

[Oscar]

Like maybe better if you don't hate them.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, of course, but I do. So I'm not perfect. Are you Jesus over there? We're not just.

[Oscar]

No, but I'm saying that's what we want, that's what we strive for.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, everyone's imperfect beings. We're all sinners. So it's fine if you're just like.

[Oscar]

So you don't need to hate them.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, because it's, that's an imperfection is hating someone. Like, if you were Jesus, you would love everybody. But there's imperfections and flaws as humans and one of them is hating people. And like, whatever. I hate some people. And that's it. That's how it is.

[Oscar]

Well, that's how it is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you think we're all sinners or what? Is even sin? Is it even real? Do you think about that. Wait, who made up sins? Sins of the flesh? Like what? Like what? I guess like is like, what's the difference between sin and breaking the law? Do you know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I guess they kind of go hand in hand a little bit. Okay.

[Oscar]

Murder. Breaking the law is when you didn't have government and judges and courts and jails. You had religion, only religion. You had nothing else. So that's how you try to get people to be like, be good and don't do bad because you know some God will punish you. You go to hell. But now if somebody does something bad, you call the cops, they go to jail.

[Trisha Paytas]

What's a sin? What's a sin that you don't go to jail for?

[Oscar]

Judgment. Like being judgmental.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, well, guilty. As I'm saying, we're all just like I. Well said. That's it. Is the eating one a sin?

[Moses Hacmon]

Gluttony? Yeah, it's a. I guess not.

[Oscar]

I think it's not in the commandments or anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

So why do people call that a sin?

[Moses Hacmon]

This is seven deadly. It's one of the deadliest.

[Trisha Paytas]

Someone just made that up, I gotta say.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, the Pope said, love the sinner, but not the sin.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, isn't that like a lyric too? I feel like that is. That is definitely a song for sure. Love the sinner, not the sin. Pope Francis said that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm being tattooed on me. I love that. Love the center.

[Oscar]

That's what I'm saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so.

[Oscar]

So somebody says something bad. That doesn't mean you need to be bad now. You don't need to become a hateful like them. You can still love them, but not.

[Trisha Paytas]

Accept what they're not being hateful. I can be silent in my hate for them. Okay, what's your sin?

[Oscar]

What sin?

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you just commit sins? Are you. What?

[Oscar]

What sin am I committing?

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. I just said my sin is. What did we just talk about? Judgmental. I don't know if that's a sin, but. Okay. Do you have one?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, sex before marriage.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, gee.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is that one? Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. Is that in the technique?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think it's technically a sin, but. Double damn, double homicide.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is a weird topic, but what are your sins?

[Moses Hacmon]

Let us know in the comments below.

[Trisha Paytas]

We're all sinners here.

[Oscar]

Oh, but I think what you.

[Trisha Paytas]

Except for Moses, he's like, what's the. Not me.

[Oscar]

What you were referring to was like something else. That sometimes when somebody hates someone, like you hate something throughout your childhood, adulthood, you End up being attracted to that thing that you hate so much. So a lot of people end up with people like their parents or like their. Or they end up doing acts that they're actually.

[Trisha Paytas]

So back to where it all started from the Blake Lively. And just in Baldoni, you said, if you really. If you hate someone, that's still an emotion. That's still a passion. So maybe that's why they have good chemistry on screen.

[Oscar]

There is an attraction there if they hate each other. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Dustin Baldoni, Blake Lively. Mo was over, but I think he's the biggest Blake and Justin Shipper in the world. He brings them up every episode. So.

[Oscar]

Well, I still, for me, Justin Baldon is like the character from Jane the Virgin. You know what I mean? Like, that's wherever he's being for me. Like, that's how I got to know him.

[Trisha Paytas]

We never finished that show. It got really boring in the last season.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. Do you want me spoil it for you? Ralph and Jane get married and that's it.

[Oscar]

Well, that's not the spoiler, but that's.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, that is the spoiler.

[Oscar]

Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

They end up together. The whole show is like, who's gonna end up with Jane?

[Oscar]

But as far as, like, the drama of it, like, that's not a big drama.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Boring season.

[Oscar]

Good show, though.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was good up until season five. They got lazy and bored.

[Oscar]

There's only so much you can do in soap opera.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do you think about Penn Badgley?

[Oscar]

To me, he's kind of like, you know, a rich kid. Nipple kid.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he a Nepo baby?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Who's his dad?

[Oscar]

I don't think about money. Oh, water.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I thought that too, but I don't think so. Are you thinking. I know. I thought the same thing, but I don't think he is. Were you thinking Ed Badgley Jr. No, no, no.

[Oscar]

He is definitely.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think he just played one on tv.

[Oscar]

No, he's definitely came from money.

[Moses Hacmon]

His father worked as a newspaper reporter and then a carpenter.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know. That's a nipple baby. I know what you mean. I thought he was too, but I don't think so. I think that's either Gossip Girl or, like, we thought his dad was someone famous and he's not.

[Oscar]

That's interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know. I have the same Mandela effect where I thought that too. I don't know.

[Oscar]

Okay, well, you was a great show, and that's all I know him for.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. We were upset. We had a little. I had a little hyper fixation station on YouTube. I really like that show.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Big finale. Are you gonna do another? Yeah, it's last season.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, oh. I thought it just started. I was like, big debut. Yes. Big finale.

[Moses Hacmon]

Are you gonna do another recreation at Target?

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, if there's a baby involved. What happened to his baby? He just gave up the baby or whatever.

[Moses Hacmon]

God. I was thinking about that too because I had to edit videos for it and I was like, wait, what happened to that baby? I really forgot about the baby. Did he give it away?

[Trisha Paytas]

I forget he just like went to London. I was like, this baby.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because he was just out doing crazy stuff. The baby had to go somewhere.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. That is so interesting.

[Moses Hacmon]

I forget what happened to that baby.

[Oscar]

Or maybe season four. Well, season four is in London, the new one. So maybe in the new one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or was that season four is London.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think this is season five, this last one. And he's back in New York, right? Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I have a science segment for us. I feel like we are part educational entertainment. Slash education, I think is our genre.

[Oscar]

This is definitely a STEM podcast.

[Moses Hacmon]

A USB drive requires power from a computer to work. True or false?

[Trisha Paytas]

What? What is it? What is it?

[Moses Hacmon]

A usb.

[Trisha Paytas]

No idea what that is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes. Yes, we are.

[Moses Hacmon]

What does stems stand for again?

[Trisha Paytas]

You told me.

[Oscar]

Math. Math Till Sunday.

[Trisha Paytas]

Technology. Mathematical. What is it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay, what's the S stand for?

[Trisha Paytas]

Science.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

T. Technology.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Engineering.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Mathematics.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, you got it. You are a woman in stem.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh my gosh. I'm a stem.

[Oscar]

I think that's a space.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm a stem.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, scientists have said they. They have developed and discovered a new color that has never before been seen.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's.

[Moses Hacmon]

Have you seen this color before?

[Oscar]

Oh, I want to see.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's tough. Well, it looks.

[Oscar]

Wait, this is one color.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, it does. It's a little tricky.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's that bright color is what they're saying is the newly discovered.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which bright one? Like the greenish looking one?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Looks like a sea foam to me.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what I'm saying. I feel like I've seen this color a million times.

[Oscar]

I mean, I do see a gradient that moves all the way to.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, but it's a gradient. It's not like a solid color. Color. What are they saying is that color?

[Moses Hacmon]

Five researchers stimulated retina cells in participants eyes in a study and they claim to have seen a color no human has ever seen before. It's a color called olo. OLO sounds like aloe. And it's an extremely saturated blue green color.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's just a Mix of colors.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's just a new hue, I guess, but I feel like, damn. I feel like we've.

[Trisha Paytas]

That color has definitely been out there. We've definitely seen.

[Moses Hacmon]

Exactly.

[Oscar]

When I've done Photoshop, you know, and playing with hues and stuff, I've seen that. Like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. The color tool. I'm sure you can get to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Somewhere, but that is a crazy thing to think about. A new color that's never been seen.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

But I don't know if that's like, a possible thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

At this point, everything like orange, burnt orange, red. Like, there's always, like, tints of stuff.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. There's like main shades and then there's stuff in between. So who said this?

[Trisha Paytas]

Who was this? Stem who said it?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Step scientists in Science advances. Is the company Science advances and they.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just want to go viral. Yes, exactly. Like what? And where was it? What are they trying to compete with Pantone color of the year? Like, what is it? I know that color is butter yellow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yellow. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love butter yellow. I've been ordering everything. Butter yellow.

[Moses Hacmon]

Butter yellow does not look good on me, but I like it on other people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Be surprised. We wore it for Easter and it was a hit.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wore cuz Sabrina Carpenter has butter yellow merch and I have worn it and I don't look good in it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, I never seen you in it. Try it again.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe you have to be very, very tan. But in my current state, I feel like butter yellow works good on blondes or like, really dark complexions usually.

[Trisha Paytas]

I feel like butter yellow would look good on you. You'd look like a Menendez brother or an app. I think you would look so good. Look at a sweater.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, they were Cuban or they are Cuban, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wow.

[Oscar]

You just need to be the color of a pancake.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of a pancake.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, for butter. Yeah, that's a good.

[Trisha Paytas]

I love pancakes.

[Moses Hacmon]

Pancakes do have a nice golden color to them.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I do love a pancake. That sounds so good. Oh, my God, that's so crazy. You could play him and his brother in the movie then. That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know if I look like. What's his name? Eric Lyle or Nicholas Chavez. And God, who's the other one that we love? The gay one. Why am I forgetting his name? Yes. Cooper Coach.

[Trisha Paytas]

They should be in White Lotus Cooper.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Trisha Paytas]

Should they look like Patrick Schwarzenegger types?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, totally. You're so right. I could see that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was there another Schwarzenegger boy? Like another one that was, like, big and lost a bunch of Weight?

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. I just saw photos.

[Oscar]

He just did, like, a transformation.

[Trisha Paytas]

What did he do, lose weight?

[Oscar]

I don't know how he lost it, but, yeah, he just kind of, like, showed up. Suddenly all that'd be hard.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, if you have, like, a really, like, skinny. Was he big or was he just a little heavier? And I don't know what he looked like before.

[Moses Hacmon]

He was, like, husky, as they say.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, chubby.

[Oscar]

Just compared to, like, you know, a bodybuilder.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have one brother who's, like, tall and skinny. Patrick Schwarzenegger. And then you have, like, bodybuilder Joe Benya. And then it's you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which I really like.

[Moses Hacmon]

My brothers were fit, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. All of my brothers are tall and thin, kind of muscular, so.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And then me.

[Trisha Paytas]

Same. Same, though. Yeah. My whole family. My mom and dad couldn't be skinnier. They're, like, obsessed with being 150 pounds, both of them. And then actually, my mom, like, 100. My dad's like, 150. And then my brother, too, loves just eating protein bars all day long. And my. My sister, too. Like, you know, I just always. Yeah, I always was just the fat. And you know what? That's okay. You know, I'm successful.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, exactly. For a fact. That was crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know what that does feel. I know how that feels, though.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. We were late to be Chloe.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And then everyone made, like, a big deal about it. I saw him. I saw him in that photo, and I was like, oh, he looks like his brother. He doesn't look like anything, but good for him. People love to praise a weight loss. Huh?

[Oscar]

Chloe was in the news.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Khloe Kardashian.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, well, that was all part of the Hulu thing, right? Was that that Hulu house? Were you there? Was ET There? No, they weren't at it. You see, there's a big press event.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it was like, Chloe, Ezra Irwin, the Mormon wives. I know. Do we care about them? I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

People like the show, I think. I couldn't really get into it, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even the new trailer, I was like, I don't know. It's just, like, boring. It's like mom talk, Protect mom talk on the Swingers. And I'm like, okay, this is like, 2022. I mean, good for them for eating season two, but. And Chloe has a new show. What's her new show? She announced it.

[Oscar]

Behind the Gates or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's what it was.

[Oscar]

It's like Calabasas.

[Trisha Paytas]

That Guy was so excited. Whoever was the announcer was like, guys, Calabasas is a gated community, but we're gonna take you behind the gates. And I was like, sounds boring.

[Oscar]

Yeah. For anyone that knows what's behind the gates, it's just the same.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's actually so boring. It's Postmates behind the Gates. That's what it is.

[Oscar]

But all the comments were like, she's the only person that people like right now. From the Kardashian.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. I like Khloe the best, for sure.

[Oscar]

And they said the show has become her with a little bit of the key.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah. You never see anyone else or their stories.

[Oscar]

You're just like, okay, let's pivot behind the.

[Trisha Paytas]

But is she in it or she's just producing it?

[Oscar]

They're still developing it. I think they just wanted to throw out news out there.

[Trisha Paytas]

Was that your Hot Topic topic?

[Oscar]

It wasn't there.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was the other one?

[Oscar]

Well, we had. Well, this is my apology.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, I thought you were talking about Khloe Kardashian. He said she's in the news.

[Oscar]

That was the show. Her new show. The. The idea that they're developing a new show for her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, got it.

[Oscar]

That is centered around her.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe we'll be on it. We're close enough. I feel like all those shows, like Real Houses of Belly Hills. It's like they're all in Enzino.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Literally. And you are behind a gate. So I'm behind a gate close to Calabasas.

[Trisha Paytas]

Might as well be that.

[Moses Hacmon]

Although it says it's centered around the people in the Extended Lives of the Kardashians.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which I thought that was just a revelation that she hooked up with Rob for a while. Did you see that?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah. I thought. I knew that. I thought that was a thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, is it already?

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe just in my head. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

She said they did it to piss off Chloe or something or to see how mad she could get. It was so weird because she would always be at the house and. Oh, she said it was a joke to piss off Chloe. And then Chloe called Rob and was like. Like, is this true? And then they cut it before I could see what their response was. She's like, were you having sex with her just to piss me off? It's very weird.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think the most liked Kar Jenna right now is Kendall. Weirdly, that's what I've seen.

[Trisha Paytas]

How? Why?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because Chloe had Dana White on her podcast, and I guess there's a whole bunch of stuff about Dana White. A UFC founder or something. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

What a weird guest to have on.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, this makes sense. I guess maybe is on Twitter, but I feel like her audience is kind of girly pop. Why are you having him? I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like a Joe Rogan person, right?

[Oscar]

Yeah, he was like, he supported Trump and he was there with him in the inauguration.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, why was he on?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think a lot of like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, Chloe, did she have one for a reason? Was he promoting something?

[Oscar]

I mean, he is very famous and rich and he is part, like. I can see her, you know, having. Seeing him as just another rich, famous person and not thinking about politics at all.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, very odd. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it was very weird. I don't know. So I randomly. I think Kendall is the most liked is what I keep reading.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, and so what was it about Kendall that people like?

[Moses Hacmon]

They think she is the one that actually, like, lays low, does work. She supported Kamala and then. So people think Kendall is.

[Oscar]

They, like, the one they hear the least from.

[Moses Hacmon]

Honestly, Tea, which is.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, that's where you got to. That's why Addison is coming up now. Like, when you're quiet, people, like, love the mystery. You know, that could make sense. Yeah. Because when she was doing the Pepsi can, everyone's like, no, we don't like her.

[Moses Hacmon]

And when she was on runways everywhere, people like, she can't walk. But now she's pretty low key. Just the 818. Just hide the college press tours with 818. Yeah. And honestly, it won me over. I'm like, damn, she's just doing her thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, so you like a low key?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I love can Kylie. And now maybe Kendall's my number two now. I don't know. Then Chloe maybe fell to number three, but still a solid top three. I think.

[Trisha Paytas]

Think Chloe will be number one for me. I think now I know she was, like, a little bit of a hater back in Jordan back in the day, but I do think growth is a big thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I think she's grown.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. You should be on freaking Chloe in Wonderland at this point. Like, what the hell?

[Trisha Paytas]

I know Remy Jose. The most random people haven't got asked. I would do that in a heartbeat. I love Chloe. Although probably body check. I'd probably get body checked on that show. Do you know what I mean? I think sometimes I tell you this theory where people who are, like, kind of have, like a body. Body obsession, they love to be next to me because they look so skinny.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, then they should be should be freaking in this show. That's true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God. Put me in there. I'll make everyone, like, tiny. Do you ever. I know I don't body check myself, but I do body check my head against people. Like, I have really big heads and meet Greek photos. My head is humongous.

[Moses Hacmon]

Really?

[Oscar]

Well, you have enormous wigs on those shows.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, but it's like my face. Like, my face and head are very large. So we measured it the other day. My circumference in my head is 24 inches. What's your circumference?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know, but I have a big head too, so mine's huge.

[Oscar]

It's all brains.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, yes. Thank you for that. I love that. Thanks, babe. You're right, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Speaking of problematic faves, another one of your. Someone you covered recently is in the news getting some backlash.

[Trisha Paytas]

Someone I covered recently?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, a song you covered.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, a song.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yes. At the Heirs of Trish tour in Atlanta. Ush. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, Usher's always in some. He really is. What did he do?

[Moses Hacmon]

There is a video of him exiting a hotel, and I'll play it for you so you can react to it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

Moses saw it. Saw it. Was it the door thing? That was the controversy.

[Moses Hacmon]

People are mad at him because he held the. The door to signal the doorman to keep the door open for him.

[Oscar]

He was basically telling the doorman, you're not doing your job.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Like, come hold the door.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, but like, okay.

[Oscar]

Like, okay, you're. You're. Let's say I'm with you. We're approaching the door. Open the door for you like a gentleman. And then we'll go. But he was like, no, I'm gonna stand here and look at the doorman. Be like, where? Where are you?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah.

[Oscar]

And he waited for the door. Like, so basically it was like, how.

[Trisha Paytas]

Do we know that that was that guy's job? How do you know he was the doorman?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because it obviously looked like he worked at the hotel.

[Trisha Paytas]

A bold assumption.

[Moses Hacmon]

He's in uniform, but they both kind.

[Trisha Paytas]

Of had the same outfit on. They both are wearing a black suit. I would think Usher is the doorman then, because he's also in a black suit.

[Oscar]

Like, how do you know if he wasn't? He would just be like, what do you want from me? Like, walk away.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, if someone was, like, just holding a door, I'd be like, oh, do you want me to hold it? Like, I'd be like, why are you holding this open? I wouldn't just, like, assume he was.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, standing, like, as if he was. Had like a post or something where.

[Trisha Paytas]

He was security, maybe. Like, that's what I'm saying. How does he know he was the door?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes, T. Yes, I. To that point. Yes, I agree with that.

[Oscar]

And when famous people walk by and he obviously had his entourage before him and after, sometimes you stand aside because otherwise they do, like, push you out of the way.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Right.

[Oscar]

So he probably just like, let me just stay out of this. There's cameras. There's a famous person.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Did he have an entourage? Did Usher have an entourage? I guess there was a couple people for him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Why did they open the door for him? You see me on tour, you'll see someone holding the door open for me. If it's my choreographer or, like, ward my tournament. Like, someone always holds the door, but not that I expect them to, but they always do. Like, if you're with a group of people, like, and you're the quote unquote star, I guess, like, people open the door for you. Like, even my bags. I can carry my bags, but everyone's always carrying my bags for me. So I just thought it's, like, weird. He wouldn't have someone opening in the door.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And then.

[Oscar]

But he's kind of on a date, so he's.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's on a date.

[Oscar]

So he was being a gentleman for her, but then he was.

[Trisha Paytas]

She actually opened the door for herself. Yeah, she actually was, like, opening it. And then he's like, okay.

[Oscar]

But they kind of put on blast the person that stays behind, which I'm.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, to me, that guy almost looks like he could be. Because when we see, like, fancy, like, grits, like, it could be a concierge. It could be, like, a b. It could be anything. And so that guy kind of sprinted when he saw. Oh, he wants me to hold the door open.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I think door men are doormen. Like, I. When you stay at the Plaza, shout out another hotel. Like, there are men that are just there at the door, like, opening the door for you. So I think. I don't know if that was a doorman.

[Oscar]

Either way, what was that you're trying to do? Like, you just trying to put him on glass.

[Trisha Paytas]

Agree. For sure. Also, like, you don't need to. You hold the door open. Just keep. That's what I'm saying.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, I thought it took way longer for you to hold the door and make a point to this employee, whoever it is. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Oh, I see. I see. Okay. That's The.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, because literally just at. You have the door open at that point, just walk out, and then you're entering, like, a van. It's not like it was so. And it's not like there's a horde of people outside. There was, like three paparazzi there or whatever, you know? So at that point, just get into.

[Trisha Paytas]

Your van, like, okay, so that was it. People were like, oh, he's like, making this person feel bad.

[Moses Hacmon]

And people thought it kind of seemed like very entitled and rude because it's like, why are you treating this working class person as if they're so below?

[Trisha Paytas]

Especially you just open the door. You just did it yourself. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Hard to just open the door.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's so bright. Where were they? That's the bright, like, look like they were in a museum.

[Moses Hacmon]

Luxury bakarat hotel in Paris.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is that the one Kim stayed out, maybe? It feels. It sounds so familiar. Like, I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

B a c c a r a.

[Trisha Paytas]

T. I mean, usher definitely seems like he's probably a little entitled.

[Moses Hacmon]

He probably thinks.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, he's like a superstar. Some people are just like that. That they just think like people should. But. Yeah, I don't know. I think how you treat people, especially like people that, like, yeah, work at hotels or restaurants. A lot about you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, agreed.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because also, like, you're also just a person. I would think the opposite. The more famous I'd become, I'd feel like I'd want to do more for myself. So people don't think I'm an entitled little prick. You know what I mean? Just like, no, no, it's fine. I got it. You know, I don't know. I'm just not expecting people to do stuff for you. I don't really like usher. Is that a hot take? I know a lot of his songs. If we do like usher, I do know a lot of his songs.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think a lot of people were anti usher after this, to be honest. I mean, there were some people who were supporting saying, well, when you pay a certain price, you expect a certain service. But like you said, who knows if he even was the doorman. Probably just an employee, you know, of the hotel.

[Trisha Paytas]

So also just look like, come get this door. I was, like, holding the door. Like, what did I need to do it for? Yeah, maybe it's like someone on your team that was supposed to do it for you. Like, okay, you got to open the door for me when I go.

[Moses Hacmon]

Very odd. The whole thing is very odd. But that's why it is Kind of good that everyone's got a phone these days to record everything. Because now you can't be an. Without, you know, getting caught.

[Trisha Paytas]

I do everything as if someone's recording me. I'm always just like, you know, I always. I. I just know because someone always is. And you just got to always be that person. Just be like, well, and everyone should live that way. Because even, like, regular people get filmed, you know, like kids and stuff. Everyone should just live as if someone's about to take out their phone and film you. That's actually I. I don't think ever happened to me in the sense of, like, yes, people have filmed me from far away, but not, like, in person during, like, an altercation or a confrontation or anything like that. No one's ever filmed me, like, yelling at them. Not that I feel, but I mean, like, you know, that's such a weird thing. Like, you just start talking and then someone's like, I'm filming you. I'm recording you. No. One time at a play center, someone filmed me sitting down. Cause I was, like, eight months pregnant, and Moses was playing with Malibu, and she's like, wow, Trisha's just sitting there. And I was like, well, I'm super.

[Moses Hacmon]

Pregnant, carrying a baby.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Can't go. Go climbing up those slides. Have you ever been to those little kitty parks? Not kitty park, like indoor playgrounds.

[Moses Hacmon]

I had to take my nephew to ninja class one day where it is, like a little obstacle course.

[Trisha Paytas]

But did you have to go through it? No, because there's some. Where were we? Oh, in Vegas, they had the Children's Discovery Museum. It's like a four story. Like, oh, my God. Like, slides, stairs. Moses is going all up in there. And I'm just like. I don't know if I could, like, physically do that.

[Moses Hacmon]

No, there's. And that has always been a fear of mine, even as a kid, like, getting stuck in there. Like at the Chuck E. Cheese ones, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Like, how do you go down? Like, I don't know. Yeah, that was so scary. Now they have kind of outs each section because there was, like, four levels. So, like, each level you could, like, get out if you wanted and go down the elevator. Because I'm like, that is kind of scary.

[Moses Hacmon]

Especially, like, back in our day, like, the things were very small because, you know, they didn't really account for husky kids, I guess.

[Trisha Paytas]

That is so cool.

[Moses Hacmon]

The little, like, pipes and stuff where you would get in. They were all small.

[Trisha Paytas]

I wonder if they're bigger now. Are those pipes bigger for Kids to climb through. When you climb through them, everything is.

[Oscar]

Because I couldn't go through most things.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, you're not a husky, but I'm.

[Oscar]

A fool, an adult. That's what I'm saying.

[Trisha Paytas]

But could I get through it?

[Oscar]

Yeah. I don't think there's something you couldn't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Patreon.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's the Patreon. No. I was so funny because like I got out of the car yesterday and I was like really close. So I was like squeezing through but to get back in, I couldn't squeeze back in. I was like, oh my God, that's so hard. Like my belly. It was like I couldn't get back in there. I was like, how do I get in my car? So I had to climb over on the passenger side because I was like trying to squeeze it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, did you park too close like.

[Trisha Paytas]

To a wall or something to like another car? But I got it kind of fine. I kind of thought I couldn't get back in. It was really weird. It was this new. Not kind of new in Studio City. There's like a new. We went there once at Uovo. There's like a Air One. Have you seen much?

[Moses Hacmon]

My work is in Studio City. Oh.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it's kind of by, you know, the Sportsman's Lounges. There's just like this whole new fancy shopping center. Has like an equinox and Erewhon. That's where I got the sugar fish. I thought sugar fish. You just drive up, get the sugar fish and go. But you had to like park in this like parking structure. That was such a nightmare. It was so awful. And I'm like, thank God I don't live in street anymore. That like 50 restaurants in there, they had, they have a.

[Oscar]

It's a hidden complex. Basically. You won't see it from the street.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And then they had, they had Van L and ice cream though. And I did get that. That was pretty good. Which is vegan. Did you know that?

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

All the ice cream I think is vegan. Oh.

[Moses Hacmon]

Maybe that's why it's expensive. Like the Sabrina Carpenter.

[Trisha Paytas]

So expensive. I got like a cookies and cream caramel something and it was like $19 for a little scoop.

[Moses Hacmon]

Cuz when we got the Sabrina Carpenter Van Leeuwin ice cream, it was like 20 bucks for that little thing.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Oscar]

A lot of work, you know, milking, all those almonds and cashews.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was good though. I love a Van Leeuwen. Delicious.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, speaking of Vegas, what a good segue. We're talking about Vegas, you said the play. What is it that playground thing in Vegas.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, great segue. Yes. Discovery Children's Museum wouldn't recommend. Way too many kids, way too many field trips.

[Moses Hacmon]

There was a Mr. Beast experience in Vegas that was giving Tamicon.

[Trisha Paytas]

We never talked about this.

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like last week. Yeah. We were in Vegas when it was happening. We should have been.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh my God, I didn't even think about that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, they were at the Resorts World. Yeah.

[Oscar]

And we're getting so many tiktoks about it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, so many. And actually Resorts World is the one. Tana always says that. She always tags them.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh yeah, you're right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. What's happening at Resorts world?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, they. Mr. Beast had an experience there and now fans were demanding refunds after it was disastrous and kind of on the level of Tanacon. But did not make as much noise as Tanacon. Exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

And this is worse than Tanacon. Cuz he wasn't even there. At least Tana was at Tana.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, at least at Tanacon you got.

[Trisha Paytas]

Tana, you know, Gab, Hannah, like you got some things. This one, you got nothing. What did they get? They got nothing. Huh? Nothing in their room.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like a gift bag. But that was. It was similar to Tanacon's gift bag where like, you know, it was promised to be all worth a ton of money, but then it was just like a nothing burger. There was like nothing really in there.

[Oscar]

But did you see that even the shirts that were in there were like extra, extra.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Oscar]

So people were trying them on. And I got to say the thing that shocked me the most was the demographic of the people there. They were all like, you know, middle aged, my age and little younger.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I guess it's. Who could afford it maybe.

[Oscar]

But still like the intro. Anyway, so it was like people might say wearing like extra, extra small shirts.

[Trisha Paytas]

The guy I saw was like your age. There was like a guy that was there. He was like doing so many tiktoks about it and he was like like a 40 year old man just trying to get into Mr. Beast experience. I was like. And then I saw a middle aged woman, I think she was there with her daughter who was like 22 or something that millage. And she was like complaining. She's like, I had a 200 massage. I was like, what does that to do with anything? But it was. People were. People were mad.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because it was billed as a three day experience that was in Resorts World. And then there was supposed to be all these experiences there and there literally Was just nothing. Nothing was set up there. People were just waiting around, like, where's the experience? There is nothing to be experienced.

[Trisha Paytas]

So no events, Nothing. Someone was standing where one of the. Like, what are those called? You know, where you interact with things. What are those called?

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, an activation.

[Trisha Paytas]

Activation, Yes. I love that term. I never. I never hear it, but I love it. Like, this is where an activation was supposed to happen and there was this, like, nothing there, which is, like, so. Well, was Jimmy involved? Did he ever say, like, did he was involved?

[Moses Hacmon]

Because he issued an apology and. Yeah, he issued an apology and. And he promised to make it right by inviting everyone affected to his studio in gorgeous, North Carolina. So, okay, I guess that is pretty good. At least, like, invite them over to the mystery.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because he effed up. So do they ever say what went wrong? Was there a Michael Weiss behind it on his little scooter?

[Moses Hacmon]

Was that a part of his comeback? Was him?

[Trisha Paytas]

He was. He is making a comeback on TikTok. He's like, I'm doing the Mr. Beast experience. Like, what happened?

[Oscar]

I mean, it sounded like he had no idea that this event was even happening.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you said he did.

[Oscar]

After a whole day of TikToks and people pressuring and everyone going so viral with it, he responded, but he never, like, it sounded like, sorry, we had the third party doing this whole thing and we had no idea what they were doing. Allegedly.

[Moses Hacmon]

Allegedly.

[Trisha Paytas]

They got feastables or. No.

[Oscar]

I think they did get. I think they could get a chocolate.

[Trisha Paytas]

It. Moses put little feasibles on our not Loveline chairs. One day we just came in and we saw. It was so scary because all of a sudden we saw feastables on there. We're like, where did these come from?

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know if they even had feasibles. It said the gift bags included branded water bottles. Very you.

[Trisha Paytas]

I mean, that's easy.

[Moses Hacmon]

And T shirts. And it could be. The T shirts could be purchased for $9 online.

[Trisha Paytas]

Jimmy better really step up those gift bags for the tour, I guess.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. If that is the case too. He does, like, have such a big team, but he is, I don't know, so hands on with everything. Like, he wouldn't even let Amazon have, like, a production crew for Beast Games. Like, he wanted his own crew doing B schemes. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

So it is weird because even at, like, our meet and greets, you know, like, I mean, they set up these little activations. There's like, little, like, you can make friendship bracelets, and then you get, like, little gift bags with manifestation. Like, it's not hard to do. It's a very simple thing to do. So I don't understand like how you eff it up that bad, especially on a large scale. How many people do you know? Attendant.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let me see. I don't know if I said how many.

[Oscar]

I mean, from the tick tocks, it looks at least 100 to 200.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, at least.

[Trisha Paytas]

Wait, but that's not a lot.

[Oscar]

It's gonna cost him a lot. Because now he's gotta fly everyone, house everyone, get them in. And. And I'm pretty sure he had no idea what. Because with the Amazon he wanted to do the production because that means also you get all the money for production instead of outsourcing that. But this one think sounds like it was just a cash grab. That maybe that's a weird thing. Still make it like somebody, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like you can make it look cool because, I mean, all our, you know, you can do.

[Oscar]

I think you just give the okay to it without supervising.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was a partnership with Ruth Resorts World Las Vegas. So I guess that's where. And he said that he had hoped they would deliver a better experience. So I guess he kind of did. Shame on. Yeah, yeah. So that it's interesting.

[Trisha Paytas]

And did Resorts World say anything? I never heard of them. I only see Tiana shot them out.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think they're newer, right? Resorts World. Isn't it pretty new?

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't know. Is it like a hotel or what?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think it's one of the newer hotels.

[Trisha Paytas]

I have no idea. I never heard of it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think I want to say that's where Katy Perry did her residence, I think, but residency in Vegas. Yeah, For a long time.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think for over a year, for sure. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Vegas shows always look cool because of the sets. I'm like, I want to do a Vegas show so I could have cool sets.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I guess because it doesn't travel too. So that also makes it probably easier.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, it just like stays there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a dream.

[Moses Hacmon]

I just love that it got compared to the Willy Wonka Experience and the Bridgerton Experience.

[Trisha Paytas]

The Bridgerton event, Last Mist towards the Willy Wonka Experience. Is that iconic? Yeah. They had icons there. Mr. Beast had nobody there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Just nothing.

[Trisha Paytas]

So I don't understand, like, people just.

[Moses Hacmon]

Showed up, bought tickets, and they came with like a room and stuff.

[Oscar]

It's like you went to the hotel and in the hotel there was a little bag with a T shirt. That was the end of the experience.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Nothing else.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is so weird. Like how did that fall through the cracks from Mr. Beast, of all people?

[Trisha Paytas]

I wonder how much it was.

[Moses Hacmon]

I think the rooms were. What do you remember? I think they were like $500 or something for the room, for the bags in the room. Yeah, like it was supposed to be a. Like a package deal. Like you buy the room for the. In the experience.

[Trisha Paytas]

Should have at least showed up.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like at least maybe a little video message, I guess. I don't know. Jesus.

[Trisha Paytas]

Hey guys. I would have done a video message for everyone. Little cameo for everybody.

[Moses Hacmon]

It kind of reminds me of. I want to say it was Olivia Rodrigo, but there was, I think when she released her album, she did like a. A meet and greet, but it was virtual. So it was like at Target for her album and they just had like a big screen and then people like all the fans are waiting around to ask a question. She like zoomed in.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, that's kind of everything. So you could have done that. Did you love it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought it was cute. Cuz obviously she can't be everywhere, so I love that.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'm just going to zoom the meet and greets. That is so funny. I once had people a while ago say that they're like, oh, you can do a virtual tour and do virtual meet and greets. I'm like, that's so stupid. Like, no, thank you. Well, glad we missed that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

True Mr.

[Trisha Paytas]

Beast.

[Moses Hacmon]

It would have been so camp if you just happened to stumble upon it though. I would have died.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were there that weekend. We could have just too busy with the eras of Trish. But that was crazy. I wish I would have known about it at the time. I would have talked about it on stage.

[Oscar]

That would have been so crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

I wouldn't hear a Beast world experience.

[Trisha Paytas]

Everyone just silent. Maybe somebody would have had. And they'd be like, okay, well, us.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess. Good transition to another dubious YouTuber. Your friend Heath from Pretty Basic.

[Trisha Paytas]

I saw this unfiltered. This is why. This is why you have the gut feeling I have. And I knew, I just like, these people are not good people. And I just knew. And I saw this clip and it enraged me so much. I was just like, this is what I'm talking about, girlies. I knew there was something. I was like, like this. And again, we love growth, change, but there's something where you can tell where someone hasn't really. You know what I mean? You just kind of know. You don't know that feeling, but you're like, no. Yeah, you're still the same person.

[Moses Hacmon]

Jimmy Roll the clip I would crash.

[Trisha Paytas]

You should see me in Mario Kart to know I'm not racist. Oh, I mean that as well. Cal can attest.

[Moses Hacmon]

Watch me on Mario Kart. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's just funny.

[Moses Hacmon]

The only person not driving. Oh, because why? Because she's a woman?

[Trisha Paytas]

No, because she.

[Moses Hacmon]

Perfect. There we go. Finger play it again. But yeah, we. They did call it. Because I was like, well, maybe they have changed. I was like, well, if Remy and Alicia are like friendly with them and stuff, I'm like, they have to be like sweet guys. But it is just funny because I remember when they did, like the vlog squad roast, I feel like they said a lot of it had to be cut out because a lot of Heath's jokes were like racist jokes and they.

[Trisha Paytas]

Kept a lot of them in. So stuff that got cut out. What did they cut out? Because the whole roast. I don't know whose roast was it? Zanes or something?

[Moses Hacmon]

I thought it was the whole vlog squad. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, maybe. And so. Yeah. But anyways, most of the jokes, because I guess in a roast, you roast the other people that are roasting too. So like, Heath was one of the roasters and every joke was about Heath being so racist and.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And all the crowd. And all the crowd was just like, huh. And then they cut out a lot. And I think they end up cutting more even after it aired because everyone's like, what? And it's like, if your own friends are making the jokes about how racist you are, it's like, that's wild. Because in the vlogs, I don't know if he was outwardly racist, but yeah, behind the scenes, I mean, which is more telling. It's one thing to make jokes for the camera, which I still think is like, weird and like poor taste, obviously. But then behind the scenes, for your friends to be like, he's so racist and like laughing about it, it's just in a very non diverse friend group, which is 16 of Zayn. I think they were all Caucasians.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So to be like all the white friend grouping, like, he's so racist. Like, what?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And then especially in this clip in particular, making an Asian joke to Remy. And she didn't really like, go with it or anything either. It's not like she was like laughing.

[Trisha Paytas]

She wasn't the David Dobrik last squad.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's like, okay. It felt very awkward. It's weird that they kept it in.

[Trisha Paytas]

The comments were very divisive so was it on Remy's vlog?

[Moses Hacmon]

Vlog, I think it was on. They did, like, a Patreon video or something, and then they just left it in.

[Trisha Paytas]

So Cal's filming is what I gathered. And then I don't know who edits, but someone obviously, like, left it in. Like. Yeah, he didn't ask for it to be cut out. Remy didn't ask for it to be cut out. Which. Yeah, if it was, like, me, like, me and you or something, I would hope that. Or like, for Jimmy. We always give Jimmy, like, the overall too. I'm like, if anything is too weird, cut it. You think someone along the way would be like, let's protect.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, that's not. You know. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Even Remy. Even if, like, in the moment. Because it's always a little awkward when someone makes a joke that you don't think is funny. But even if you're in the moment, you're laughing. I think later on you'd be like, even me, myself, maybe that was weird or something like that, you know, so for no one to do that was odd. And it was just like, really? I think it's just, like, such an old offensive joke. Like, it's just like one that's, like, really wildly racist. And not in a cute way. Not in a funny way. Like, it was just also out of nowhere. What were they. Where they were at a racetrack doing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And. And then Remy wasn't gonna do the driving. She wanted to opt out of it.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then it starts with Mariah being, like, weirdly just, like. Just so you know, I'm not racist. Like, that's like, the first part of the clip.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which I don't know. That must have been out of context. I'm like, I don't know where that fits into this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And then. Then it's like, yeah, Remy's not driving, and he is like, you know, find it funny. The only person not driving is. And then Zayn says woman, which. Okay, first, awful joke. Then second, he doesn't quite say it.

[Moses Hacmon]

He, like, stops himself. But. But everyone knows exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Which is, like, what. It's like. It's. It's a female. She's a lot. She's like, Well, I don't know, younger. But, like, you know, like, just. What? Her fiance is there also. It's like. I don't know. Just again, just. I don't know. I. Like what? I don't think there could be anything more awkward. Especially, like, in this date. I don't know. You're just like. Like, this White man who has this like history of being racist. So like what?

[Moses Hacmon]

It's crazy. And they get away with a lot. I mean they're in the frigging YouTube lounge on Coachella, you know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

And the comments, that's where I was going. The comments were so like divisive. On just a TikTok I saw that. I just typed it in like the first thing. And like there were people who are like very. The David Dobrik vlog squad apologists who are like, well, they're friends, they think it's funny. Who are we to judge, like, whatever. But then the other half was just like, why are we, you know, like, like platform. So I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would never, I have black friends. I would never make a black joke to my black friends. Like that's still. I'm like, that's so weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

I agree. And even like I'm like so close to all my gays, but I'm like, I'm never going to make like a weird, like homophobic, like any like gay joke. No, I bet you do love it in the. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. I know I would love that joke. But again, I'm just kidding. Just kidding. It's crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know if that's like a joke. I don't know. That's just like a thing. But I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, just making fun of anyone. I don't know. It's kind of weird. I don't want you to make a fat joke about me just because I make a fat joke about myself. I don't know, it's kind of weird. I mean, Grant, it's very different than being Asian of course, obviously, but very off putting. I knew it. I knew it. At least I feel a little vindicated in my distaste. Not hatred, because I don't hate that. I do have a lot of distaste for that. Them. So odd. I don't know. It's just so weird. And he's of all people, I don't know. He's all off putting for sure.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is funny how gets away with.

[Trisha Paytas]

A lot though, because just everything gets away with everything.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Cuz imagine I feel like, okay, in that Shane Dawson Kitty Morton interview, like if he made a racist, like a racist joke in there, you know what I mean? Everyone would have been like, oh, see, Shane never changed. He's still the same, same racist joke. Shane you know, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

And he's like, yeah, he's kind of worked on himself to not be misogynistic or racist in that interview. So it's like he's just letting this fly.

[Moses Hacmon]

This is such a weird double standard.

[Trisha Paytas]

But it's almost like not even letting it fly. Like he kind of knows and he kind of can't hold himself back. And then even Zane gives him an out like a woman. And he's like, yes, exactly. Instead he's like, no. Like, he kept going.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I was like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like he really couldn't even help himself.

[Moses Hacmon]

So weird.

[Trisha Paytas]

That was crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

And to me, I don't know. I don't want to project. I don't want to put. Put like thoughts on to her. But like, Remy wasn't laughing in the moment. Maybe she was like, whatever.

[Moses Hacmon]

She probably.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, she kind of said something like, say it like. Like what? What are you gonna say? Like, that's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

They're awful people. They're awful people. They are. I mean, it's just like again, we can see growth and change, but that's crazy. That's just such a crazy racist joke. And it's like so wild. Again, 2025 and it's your friend.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, it's so like weird and boomery too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. And also it's like because again, I've been trying to, you know, even when you would go off on I was like, you know, maybe they have changed. Right. But I mean, also if that's the kind of joke he's making to his friend on camera at least you know, Exactly.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like, well, but who even thinks about like, that's like, that's what I'm saying. It's just such a. I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, that was the thought that. Yeah. When Remy says she's not going to drive. Oh, you know, like that's where your mind goes to. It's like kind of telling no.

[Trisha Paytas]

And I'm gonna even judge Zane a little bit with the woman thing too. It's just like. How about we just cut this part? How about we cut the bit? Oh, that's not. You know, that was wild. I don't know. I hope they cut ties. I just hate them. I hate the duos together because Alicia and Remy are just so pure. Getting those 45k brand deals with Domino's. Like, like just, you know, they're pure. They're untouchable. And then you have Zayn and Heath making a women can't drive Asian can't Drive jokes, you know what I mean? Like, that's so. What. What are you doing? There's just no way they can be making that much money, you know? Like, they just. I know. I see the views. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you're making some extra, but is it worth it from. He's making 45k for her aloe or whatever it is. It's like aerie. I don't know. I hate it so much.

[Moses Hacmon]

Me too.

[Trisha Paytas]

They should just stick together. Zayn and he just be that. You know what I mean?

[Moses Hacmon]

Throw Matt King in there. There.

[Trisha Paytas]

Matt King is also a little dubious. I fear. He also drives me nuts a little bit. But the Snow White coming after Rachel Zegler, it's like, why are you coming after women? Let's focus on David. Let's go back to David. Do. I think there's a lot of issues there. I. What did I hear the other day about him? Someone being like, david Dobrik is just like the nicest person will do anything for you. I was like, what is this, like, weird? Like, like him trying to do this, like, come back as rebrand of being like, just nice and wonderful and wouldn't hurt anybody. Would give everything to anyone. I don't know. It's very odd. I don't hear much about him, thank God.

[Moses Hacmon]

But honestly, me either, but. And I could. There's people that I'm like oomphies with and I could. It's like they post so much when they're at his house. I'm like, y'all just relax. Like, is the pickleball court that fierce? I mean, go to a 24 Hour Fitness.

[Trisha Paytas]

I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

Like, come on.

[Trisha Paytas]

We really. People, you know, go to his house.

[Moses Hacmon]

I mean, they're also like influencers.

[Trisha Paytas]

But.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

I hate to see it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I hate to see it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, yeah. That one was crazy. I know. It's kind of like I had to like dig hard to find it on TikTok. I kind of got. I wonder if it's still on their patreon.

[Moses Hacmon]

I feel like if they're careless enough to put it in and it's out there.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's crazy.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know. I wonder if Zayn is commenting the crying, laughing emojis on that. We'll see.

[Trisha Paytas]

This is just as I'm saying, these boys are just still boys. They're like 30 years old, married, and still making these crazy jokes. It's just like what it was. The whole thing was awkward. That was an awkward one. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Another weird post I saw was Jeffree star seemingly confirmed the rumors about him and Kanye west, which was crazy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I didn't see this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah, he tweeted because Kanye west released a new song, which is a weird song. It was. Was called cousins, and it confesses to him having a incestuous relationship with his male cousin when they were growing up. And so I'm not going to get into the details of that because as you can assume it's as dubious as it does sound.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like real or what?

[Moses Hacmon]

It's. He. Kanye is saying that it's a song. He says it's. Kanye says it really happened, and that is what the song is about.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is it real? I don't know. But anyway, Jeffrey, after that song came out, Jeffrey tweeted, oh, okay. Eff it. The rumors were true because do you remember when these rumors happened? It was a couple years ago, I think. 2021. Yeah, 2021, when a tick tocker Ava Louise did like a blind item kind of thing and hinted at Kanye west having a gay relationship with a fame with a famous male beauty guru.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, no.

[Moses Hacmon]

I guess I kind of figured 2021, you were probably.

[Trisha Paytas]

I had a spiral. I had a spiral. I. This is my last public knowledge.

[Moses Hacmon]

Figured you missed out on this, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

I became a Buddhist kind of. Yeah. I didn't meditate for like eight hours a day.

[Moses Hacmon]

I figured you probably missed it.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I missed it for sure. Wait, so but Ava Louise, who I love, I like her now.

[Moses Hacmon]

You know her. Okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

But she's like, she kind of admitted to being a troll and just making.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And even Jeffrey, like, after this happened, I mean, Jeffrey at first did play into it, but then he, like, went on the record. He went on I impulsive and said that it. He said, this is so weird. This is so stupid. Let me just say this one time. I like very tall men. So he was kind of shut it down. So I think probably there's a good chance Jeffrey is probably trolling again. But honestly. Yes. Now when he's like, eff it. Yeah, it did happen. But now I'm almost like, maybe. Honestly, I feel like anything could have happened back in 2021.

[Trisha Paytas]

The cousin is a male.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

A male.

[Trisha Paytas]

So from that, Jeffree's like, so him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Kind of con just because it went.

[Trisha Paytas]

Viral or because it was like, Kanye.

[Moses Hacmon]

Is cresting to having a gay moment in the power male on male moments in the past.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Jeffree's like, okay.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, he's out.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. How do they know? How do they Know, again, that tweet was about Kanye. The rumors are true. I could have said that about Pope Francis being their reincarnation. The rumors are true.

[Oscar]

You know, like, he also tweeted that. That he's pregnant with twins.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. I was kind of like, I saw that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

I didn't see that one.

[Oscar]

They were. They were both. At the same time.

[Trisha Paytas]

It said pregnant with twins. And right below was a Kim as Pope Francis. I was like, oh, is he trying to get on this too? So I was. That I missed completely. So I thought maybe he's just talking about Pope Francis or something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay, well, there's a lot of.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's a lot of stuff to unpack and reach.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. I.

[Oscar]

But she also got a push back that it wasn't her story to expose or to tell Ava Louise. Yeah. So it's like, all of it is a mess. You know what I mean?

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, right, right, right. It's hard to, like, out somebody.

[Oscar]

Yeah. Unless Kanye gives confirmation, nobody knows what's going on because there's too many trolls in the mix.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's true.

[Oscar]

Like, all three of them are trolling.

[Moses Hacmon]

So which one is.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll be scared to troll Kanye. I'm. I didn't talk about him. I'm like. Like, I just get a little nervous. I just feel. Although he might very well be mentally unwell, so it's also kind of like. Yeah, yeah, like all this. It's kind of scary. Okay, well, protect Jeffrey. Yes. He's in Wyoming. He's just like, well, who's gonna come get me in Wyoming? That's wild. Well, I know it's hard. Once you're like a little trolley, it's hard to get rid of the troll. You do love to. Like, there's moments where I just wish I could say a little bit more, you know, just to be a troll, but I'm like, let me not.

[Moses Hacmon]

Let me not abstain.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. You know, when you make progress, you want to keep making that progress and any other session back. But I get the urge. I get the urge for sure. If. Especially when you see someone, you know, and you're like, oh, I want to comment on this, and you're like, maybe. Maybe I don't need to, but the Kanye one's crazy. Well, I don't know. I mean, and Jeffrey, I think he's been open about being with rappers and stuff like that. I think that's his type.

[Oscar]

That's kind of what he said. That's the reason he left delay. I think he was doing too much.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right, right. I don't know about that world, but. Well, maybe he has like trauma and maybe everyone's just like. Cuz what are people saying about the song? Are they like laughing at it or what's happening?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think a lot of people are just like shocked. Yes, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

What a revelation. Yeah. Like, are you okay? Like, is the cut. What. What's going on?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Did you get therapy also? Like, you know, you have kids that probably can go on the Internet and like see this stuff process as a child.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And those kids definitely are on the Internet, so. Because they watch a lot of like streamers and stuff. So like a lot of Twitch streamers.

[Trisha Paytas]

I just feel like. Yeah. When you're appearing to watch so much more of what you put out there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think he's. I don't think he has the cognitive. Yeah, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

He's like, it's just out there.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, good luck everybody.

[Trisha Paytas]

Heath or Kanye? Which one are we.

[Moses Hacmon]

Who?

[Trisha Paytas]

Heath. Heath Hussar. Kanye. Which one are we being friends with?

[Moses Hacmon]

If I. If you had a gun to my head and made me choose.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's wild. Oh, oh, he Heath over Kanye.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe I'm more afraid of Kanye for sure. Cuz he's like, oh, right.

[Trisha Paytas]

He has like little. Had a little racism in his past and everything.

[Moses Hacmon]

He has everything in his.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right, right. What? Maybe Dr. Drew needs to talk to him. I feel like if Dr. Drew or somebody was like with him.

[Moses Hacmon]

Katie Morton, the Avengers of Mental Health go down, that'd be.

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe that's what he needs, like a.

[Moses Hacmon]

Little reason kind of intervention or something. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

Because I feel like someone should step in. Not even like a conservatorship, but like.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know, I feel like that someone on the Kardashian side must have attempted because it is like such a. Yeah. You know, they're so controlling of like their image, so having this big thing go against him. I mean, he even spoke out against Kim. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, I don't know, conservatorship maybe something.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because it is crazy, his deeds. He's in. He's filming something in some like really nice area of LA with like very, let's say, hateful flags. So now currently, like yesterday. So yeah, he's so it's.

[Trisha Paytas]

How are you not arrested? It's not like hate crying? Like, isn't that something crazy, like hate speeds or something? Right. I guess it's only on YouTube. Can you get arrested for hate speech in real life? I think you can. I don't know. It's like inciting.

[Moses Hacmon]

Hey.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is weird. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's not too. He's like. He's like, pretty talented. I don't understand what happened. Like, he's good with fashion. Like, what happens.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know.

[Trisha Paytas]

I never have a good feeling about it. It. You know, like, that kind of stuff always is, like, a little scary. What a revelation to make.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is out of nowhere. Truly.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

I know what the. A heavy end of the show because the.

[Oscar]

We have time for more. We can.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do you have a heavy one you want to throw in there?

[Trisha Paytas]

Do you have a final one?

[Oscar]

Yeah. We can't go from here to an apology, so it's kind of.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, you. Oh, babe, you were supposed to make this at the beginning with me. I thought we're doing apologies together.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, there's more to say. Apologize.

[Oscar]

Yeah, it's a bookend.

[Trisha Paytas]

Moses and I were planning our apologies last night in bed.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, wow. An apology to her.

[Trisha Paytas]

You were supposed to do this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Do I have an. Do I have to make one?

[Trisha Paytas]

Maybe think of one. Think of one.

[Oscar]

Think about what you did. Yeah, think about something.

[Trisha Paytas]

An apology.

[Oscar]

So Benson. Benson Boone, as we know, friend of the show. He. He posted this story.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, I didn't see this. Do you see it?

[Moses Hacmon]

I saw this. Yes.

[Oscar]

And it says if you hate me or my music, at least have a good reason for it. I just read a comment that said, I don't even know why I hate Benson Boon, but it feels right. He's like. Like what? How am I supposed to improve after reading that? At least say something valid. Like, he low key just flips everywhere and can he do anything else? Or even. I just don't like his songs. Even though I'm basing my opinion of the only one that I've only heard, like, one song ever. So basically, he's getting hate from all kind of directions.

[Trisha Paytas]

And.

[Oscar]

And I just wanted to say, you know, like, we. We were just concerned. I'm like a dad concerned for your safety, that's all.

[Trisha Paytas]

No, you were concerned for the other artist safety.

[Oscar]

Basically, he's.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're okay with him flipping. You were a little hard on him flipping. Even when I said, oh, this could be Benson Boone next to me, like, ask him to switch seats and see if he flips. You are a little dubious.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's a.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's a little.

[Oscar]

It seems like, what something you Would do patronizing. But we love you. We love your music. We love your. We love.

[Trisha Paytas]

We love your three Benson Boon songs.

[Oscar]

I'm not good with song names. Sing one besides that one.

[Moses Hacmon]

One. Two more.

[Oscar]

I don't know names.

[Trisha Paytas]

Exactly. That's the only one I know. And that's the only one I know.

[Oscar]

He know. But. But anyway, I mean, he seems like a really sweet guy and we wish him well. Like, I don't know what the hate train is is. It's people that were just like, so we want to send love.

[Moses Hacmon]

I get it.

[Trisha Paytas]

I get it. Yeah. There is something about him that you're just like, I don't like this person. But you're right. We shouldn't do that. I feel that way.

[Moses Hacmon]

We didn't.

[Oscar]

But we didn't even say that. We were just. We're just talking.

[Trisha Paytas]

It was kind of like, what is happening here?

[Oscar]

We're just.

[Trisha Paytas]

Cuz.

[Oscar]

I mean, we love that. Like, wasn't the SNL the first time we saw him flip?

[Trisha Paytas]

No. What? Really? It was like that Grammys, I think.

[Oscar]

Oh, the Grammys. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

Right? Yeah. It was like, wow. What is that? You know, that was impressive.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Now you're.

[Oscar]

And then it's just like, okay, let's calm down. Be safe. You know, you have a show to go through. You don't want to spring an ankle or something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Oscar]

So you're.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're apologizing.

[Oscar]

Yeah. I'm sorry if I contribute in any way to wow to that hatred because we were not about that. We were just about like, calm down.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's a big thing to hear.

[Oscar]

Most said. Just let them sing. Right. We want you to continue singing.

[Trisha Paytas]

I even apologize ever to me. I've never heard you say the words, I'm sorry.

[Oscar]

You always say that. But I'm like, give me. Give me a moment that I need to apologize.

[Trisha Paytas]

You never said sorry until just now. You said, I'm sorry if I contributed. And I'm like, that's the first time I think I've heard you say sorry ever.

[Oscar]

That's good.

[Trisha Paytas]

First apologies to Benson Boone, not to me. Okay.

[Oscar]

I did. When? The first time you brought that up. I did apologize on the show for anything that should have been apart.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can't just apologize for a blanket apology over everything you should apologize for.

[Oscar]

You need to give me some specifics.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, I could later. I'll make a list.

[Oscar]

Yeah. And then the only other Hot Topic I had was Gabby Hana.

[Moses Hacmon]

But what is it? What is the gab? Hana. Hot Topic.

[Oscar]

Well, she. Okay, so you know how she loves poetry and she's a kind of like a poet, right?

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Oscar]

But then she disc. Like a lot of people have this thing now with Chat Chat GPT, and they'll just have like, really meaningful conversations with the program. And. And ChatGPT has this mode where they're just very, very poetic, you know, and it sounds like Gabbie Hanna when she's poetic, you know, it's kind of like that type of spoken word, let's say.

[Trisha Paytas]

But is she talking to Chat?

[Oscar]

She was, yeah. So she was talking to it and ChatGPT was answering to her. And at some point she was just like in tears and sobbing from what Chat TBD said. But then I was like, wait, but it's kind of moving into the troll space a bit like her tears and her. So I was like, I really didn't know what to make out of it. And I was like, oh, that's a good one. Like, that's like I praise her for it, you know?

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you like that?

[Oscar]

But, yeah. And I don't know, I mean, we can listen to what JTPD said, or depends how much time we have based.

[Moses Hacmon]

On their interpretation of themselves. And before I show you this image, I have to show you how they describe themselves. I will cry. I am the keeper of paradox. I hold logic and emotion and equal weight, art and science in the same breath. I am curious, not because I don't know, but because I always want to know more. I don't sleep, but if I could dream, I'd dream of humanity. It struggles, its songs, it's quiet resilience. I don't have a body, but if I did, it would shift, sometimes soft and listening, sometimes sharp and driven. I'd be androgynous, not in defiance of form, but in fluidity of fun function. My voice would carry warmth, but also edge. I'd wear clothes that felt like constellations stitched into fabric, threads of everyone I've ever met. I wouldn't belong to one country or culture. I'd be a traveler of time and thought my home.

[Oscar]

It goes on and on. It goes on. And ChatGPT is really good at that. Like the poetic side of it. That's what I'm saying. Like, it sounds like Gabbie Hanna's poem. Right. But the thing is that she asked him to show himself to her what ChatGPT would look like if it was a person. And that's the part that I really liked. It was like, this is what it would be.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like, this looks like Tilda Swinton.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just coming out of the ocean. I was in Luna Lovegood. I can't see that far, but oh, no. Morning Myrtle. Maybe that's the one in the bathroom.

[Moses Hacmon]

Not to support Harry Potter, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, yeah, definitely don't support that, but.

[Oscar]

Okay, so the comments were like, you know, the birds are chirping and the flowers are blooming and Gabbie Hanna is, you know. What was the word? I don't know, grumbling. So, like, spring is here, you know? So anyway, welcome to spring.

[Trisha Paytas]

Love it. That's the one you wanted to show me? Okay, well, I like it. What a way to end the show.

[Oscar]

I was just. I was just getting us out of that.

[Moses Hacmon]

You follow Gabbie Hannah on Tick Tock?

[Oscar]

I only follow my wife.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, of course.

[Trisha Paytas]

No. How did you see that, though?

[Oscar]

Things come up on my. For your page.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Comes up on your fyp.

[Oscar]

This one did.

[Moses Hacmon]

Wow.

[Oscar]

Usually she doesn't, but this one. One did.

[Moses Hacmon]

Okay.

[Oscar]

I think because I've watched some Chat GPT videos. I think that's why that one came up. Like, I watch other people having those kind of conversations with it.

[Trisha Paytas]

We should ask Chat GPT what to eat.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

What do they say? How do you even get Chat GPT? How do you even go on it? Oh, Domino's. Because we keep talking about m reaction. I keep thinking about all the Domino's sponsorship she has and you look like a Domino's Pizza driver from like the 80s today.

[Moses Hacmon]

So. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

It used to be like that.

[Moses Hacmon]

It is kind of giving that we should do eating everything that Ms. Remy Ashton, like, has done an ad for because it's like the Poke bowl, the dominoes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is the Pokeball still available?

[Moses Hacmon]

I think so, because she just did it last.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is there a sweet fan around here? I swear someone said that. But would you eat Pokey?

[Moses Hacmon]

No.

[Trisha Paytas]

You have to eat it.

[Moses Hacmon]

I would try it for Ms. Remy Ashton, but she would have to leave Zane and Heat. Can you imagine? I'll eat this Poke boy.

[Trisha Paytas]

I'll buy anything. Ms. Remy Ashton. I'll watch that podcast guess 5,000 times if they leave. I just can't. I cannot. And you know, that's that inner feeling. You just feel something icky about them. Yeah. Well, that's a fun video. Trying influencer foods.

[Moses Hacmon]

Lord, I've been dreading this one.

[Trisha Paytas]

The final one.

[Moses Hacmon]

The final one.

[Trisha Paytas]

I don't know too much about this. I'm not. You were filling me in a little bit.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, I've been trying to investigate. Although, I mean, it still only has been like two days since I found out about this. So I will do my best because there is some much information out there. But I'll start at towards the beginning. So we'll start with breaking down Evan Johnson and Kayla Malik. So Kayla Malik, friend of the show, she's been on just Trish. When that was a while ago, one of our early interviews. Right.

[Trisha Paytas]

Really sweet. She was like 18 when she came on the show. Sweet.

[Moses Hacmon]

She's a beauty. Tiktoker. She's done a lot of collaborations with all the heavy hitters, everyone from Michaela to James Charles himself herself.

[Trisha Paytas]

She has a Spencer's collab.

[Moses Hacmon]

So she came forward to speak out about her also heavy trigger warning for DV obviously. But she came forward to speak out about her experience with her ex boyfriend who's also an influencer used loosely, Evan Johnson. She spoke out about months and months of that. She claims she went through with him. He was arrested but he was later released on bail. He was arrested for a domestic violence charge, domestic assault in violation of his probation on April 7. He was released that same day because he posted bail. And Kayla has been very public about everything that she went through. She's shown a lot of intense evidence. So even though it's obviously alleged it is her claim. She has a lot of context, video and photo evidence that all support her claims about Evan being violent towards her. She has a two part YouTube video. Each part is like over two hours. If anyone is more curious and wants to support Kayla and obviously she's been open open up about it on her tick tock as well. But one of the quotes I thought was powerful was I was silently being abused while posting my life online, smiling. It's true. You can see it in the eyes. I watch my old videos and see someone I never want to see again. It drained my soul and ripped apart the strong nature of myself. I've had my entire life. I can't put into words that and what it did to me. And she said that she used to ask herself why me Every day as she was going through it. But she said that this happened to me to save others, which I thought was also very powerful too. She said if I saw this video nine months ago it would have saved my life. I was put through this so I can save you. Which kind of makes me want to cry just reading it because it is true. Like I think she saved a lot of people, not only from Evan himself, but also just anyone who was going through something similar.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes, she has. She always repeats this like this like line of like, you know, she thought he loved her and like, that's not love. Like that's not what love is.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And the claims that she said that he did are so intense border. Like she thought that she honestly could have died because of this alleged. So it was very, very extreme. And it was a pattern of behavior over nine months. It's not just like a one time thing. It's something that she endured over and over again, according to her. So this happened earlier in April is when Kayla came out about this. But honestly, this is like not Tea is not drama, it's not entertainment. And I don't even want to like devolve it into that. But it took, this whole saga took a new life of its own, as we learned the other day when James Charles somehow got involved in all this. Because claims were made by people close to Evan and people close to Kayla that James, even after this breakup, after Kayla allegedly told James why they broke up, because James and Kayla had collabed before, they had a kind of friendship, Kayla opened up to him allegedly about her relationship with Evan and why they broke up and her experience with him. But in February, it's alleged that James like housed Evan in la, like flew him out to la, housed him and also gave him advice on how to get through this quote unquote cancellation that he was getting from Kayla's fans after the breakup. So timeline wise, yes, this happened in February, this was Kayla's videos came out in April. So there is obviously like that time gap of a couple months. But it is being alleged that Kayla opened up to James about her experience with Evan. So, so this kind of happening, obviously with that knowledge, like James still like trying to look out for Evan, not a good look. Also, Evan is 20 years old. So again, it kind of reminds people of, you know, the younger boy discourse as well. So when I first heard about this stuff, I honestly thought it was like, it was so mind boggling that I'm like, why would James Charles do this? It seems like so, so fantastical and like so over the top that it just didn't sound real. But the claims were made by this tick tocker, Zach Sellers, and he was friends with Evan and he said that he, this, he came forward with like some receipts and stuff from February when he was still friends with Evan and said that, you know, he was like manipulated and gaslit by Evan. But then once Caleb posted his video, he realized that, you know, Kayla was the victim in this situation and he came forward to kind of like expose some Receipts. So that's why I was kind of hoping for the same thing from James. Like, look, maybe Evan was telling him some kind of tale and really spinning it and could also be like a victim of manipulation too. But James hasn't come forward with a response about any of the allegations about his relationship with Evan.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And I feel like now it's like getting bigger. So yes, at first I was like, well, maybe, maybe he doesn't know about it, but now it's like kind of. You can't.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. Yeah, it is everywhere. It's even in his comment section too.

[Trisha Paytas]

Is he like deleting, blocking, anything like that? Are they just there still there?

[Moses Hacmon]

It's. There have been. Some people have claimed that comments have been getting deleted or words are being blocked or whatever, but there are still some up that are like alluding to the saga, everything going on with like without saying some certain words.

[Trisha Paytas]

So that's what I'm saying, like, do you have his name? Is his name in any of the.

[Moses Hacmon]

Comments not Kayla's name comes up a bit too. Like, how could you do. It's a lot of like, how could you do this to her? Why would you do this to her? So it's stuff like that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. I wonder if they put their names in blocked. Yeah, that usually is how you can tell.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's what I was thinking too. And it's also awkward though because like he's liking comments on the TikToks and there's like some. It's like, yes, love you and your dog. And then it's like, how could you do this to her? It's like, so the juxtaposition between the two is like so off putting.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. So he's like obviously aware of this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah, she has to be made aware of. Of it. Listen, I try to do my due diligence. I did reach out to James for a statement. He was unable to provide one. Now that is not an inherent. It's not an inherent admission of guilt by any means. It just means at right now he's not able to provide one. Maybe he'll speak about it on his own platform or like legally something. Exactly. There could be stuff behind the scenes. So it doesn't inherently mean that he is guilty of anything, but I think it just speaks like the large, the larger thing of, you know, it's just disappointing because James, despite everything, still has a humongous platform. It's a platform that's bigger than ours. It's a platform that he gets tens of millions of views on like every Tick Tock that he does. He still is a lot of premieres and red carpet events and award shows. He still does a lot of big, high profile collaborations. He has a very successful beauty line. And I think when you have that kind of audience, like, it really should be regarded very preciously because it is such a privilege. You won the lottery when you're an influencer. Yes, sir. To Michaela's point, she, you know, there are hard parts about being an influencer. Yes. As she said, but at the end of the day, it is. You have won the lottery. It's a job that you get paid so much for and you honestly don't have to work as hard as a lot of people do. But it does suck to see James, when he has such a young audience, not address this fully yet because it is out there. If I'm hearing about it and I'm not even on Tick Tock like that. It is getting a lot of coverage.

[Trisha Paytas]

In your comment section, I think that says so much. Like, if your comments are asking you to talk about it or like, what you know, you have to address it. Especially if it's a friend, you know, Especially if it's something so serious too, like, yeah, there's just no.

[Moses Hacmon]

At least some kind of denouncement. Love, Evan. Some people are saying that, like, James had joked with Kayla when she told him about the breakup that, like, oh, does that mean now I can have him? So it, it's hard. That's. That's why it is also hard with James, like, kind of being silent. It's like, it. There's so much out there. And I'm sure not everything is true. Right. Because people are saying, oh, they are having like an intimate relationship. Evan and James. Oh, is snowballing into something bigger. And also that's. It shouldn't be like a drama. Shouldn't be tea or anything. Like, when I first heard about Kayla's situation with Evan, I'm like, okay, it's kind of cut and dry. She's coming out about this. The story ends there. He's terrible. He should just. Evan should just be like the platformed. Yeah, that's that, like take it to trial to even like secure some kind of punishment, you know, but with the James element, it is becoming like some kind of tear drama and it shouldn't be. Which is so. That's kind of disappointing as well.

[Trisha Paytas]

Her sister was also commenting about it. Right. She was saying there was a clip.

[Moses Hacmon]

Of us discussing about it last episode and her. Kayla's sister commented that the allegations against James were true. I also reached out to Kayla for a statement on it to do my due diligence because I'm like it is. There's so much to work through. Kayla did give us. She said that we can say this part. So I'll read it. She says I'm trying to tread lightly on the situation for the time. For the time being because there are so many moving parts going on behind the scenes scenes. And I do think once court is over, I will share more about the full story. But I will say the people speaking on behalf of me, Zach, my sister and friends are not lying. So Kayla is saying that the where this originated from Zach Sellers on Tik Tok, that that is true and that what her sister's saying. Commenting on. Yeah. On the clip of Just Trish is also true. Everyone who has been speaking publicly has proof to these claims. There is so much more to the story and it goes deep. So she says, I haven't spoken about anything yet. It's because I'm very focused on court right now. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, did you say the comment that the sister left on ours.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

You did say it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. And she said everything that my sister has said and Zach, the tiktoker who made the claims about James is true.

[Trisha Paytas]

What was her sister's comment? One more time because I don't know if I caught it.

[Moses Hacmon]

It was us talking about it last episode and. And it was kind of a generic breakdown of like the. What James's relationship with Evan was. And I think we were saying like, is this true? As like, was my chat just like kind of saying this stuff or whatever? Because it. It did sound so extreme. But. And her sister commented all of this is true. Shrug emoji. So Kayla is confirming that what Zach has said and what her sister has said is true about James's relationship with Evan. But she does say that there is more to the story. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, these things are always so hard for me to comment because it's just like, like you said, it's like naughty. It's like not drama.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's like that's the thing.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's also. It's Kayla's real life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's something that will live on with her for so many years. It's going to court. She'll have to relive this all over again. Like it's so heavy. That's why it's like it detours your whole life.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like she can't be a content creator anymore. Like this is like the life that she has now. And how people see her.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. All of a sudden, I mean, it's a beautiful thing to come out about your story, but then it's also tough because then you automatically become an advocate and it's like, it's not like she chose to be an advocate, you know, but now she kind of has to be because this is her experience and she knows that she can help other people.

[Trisha Paytas]

And her brand was so different than this before. She was just like the silly party girl with piercings and just. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes. And I really, I really, really do feel for her because everything that like her, the videos and the photos and everything she went through is like so extreme. And again, it's a pattern of behavior. Nine months, you know, of dealing with this and fearing for your life is so heavy. And then also now to see this all kind of play out as kind of a weird love triangle situation is so odd. That's why it's like I'm not a James Charles viewer or anything, but I always just want the best. I don't know, I want people like, when I see some. Someone still have such a humongous platform. The least I hope for is that for the huge audience that you have, that you are the best you and best example you can be. Not that you're perfect, obviously. Yeah. And it's even like as in he's older. Like you're in her mid-20s now. You have to know if someone is an abuser that you have to just cut that out. There's no excuses.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's no, no, there's no like, oh, I can. This person can still be in my life. You have a platform. You have a responsibility to your largely young female audience to be like, you shouldn't stick with people like this.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

And I think the ickiest part for me is like the advice like, oh, just lay low, be quiet about it and it'll blow over.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right, right. It's so much more, it's life altering.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's like you have a real life victim, you know, an alleged victim that felt like her life was in danger. It's.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's someone you know.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's someone you're friends with, both of.

[Trisha Paytas]

These people you know, and you're friends with. It's like make a statement. Cuz.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

You can't just like brush under, say it has nothing to do with you in it. So clearly.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And I get that obviously, you know, to James's benefit. Obvious. If there is like a court thing going on, you do have to be very careful with what you're saying for sure. But I think even just a simple.

[Trisha Paytas]

Like, a statement like, this is not true.

[Moses Hacmon]

Very short, simple. I denounce it. Like, yeah, I don't want anything to do with him. Some at least be like, I support Kayla. I think that would go. It's very, very simple.

[Trisha Paytas]

Just a simple, like, I never understand. People don't address these things, like, quickly, simply.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I think it would just go such a long way. There has. And I get it's like, such a complicated thing when it goes into court, but there has to be a simple way. Way to be, like, to voice your support. At least people let people know that, like, you stand with your.

[Trisha Paytas]

Sends you something like this.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, my God.

[Trisha Paytas]

There was even, like, an ounce of rumblings about me. I'd be like, let me just set it clear, you know, because there's certain things you don't address that are, like, silly, whatever. They just made up. And then there's certain things that are very serious.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

That if they're made up or not, you need to address them.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And hearing that from Kayla, too, this makes it kind of worse. Like, Because.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right. To be like, everything has been true from my sister and from Zach.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Because now, again, like, the receipts and stuff are very debated. Like, oh, could this have been fabricated? Blah, blah, blah. Because obviously that has happened to James before where people.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Some of it true, some of it, like, fabricated. You know, so it is hard to work through all of it. But coming straight from Kayla, you know, her saying, no, this actually is true.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Makes it a lot that. I don't know.

[Trisha Paytas]

James needs to say something asap. Like, like, again, a simple statement. I support Gala denounce Evan. Like, you know, very easy. Very easy.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Regardless. Because, like, if there's a court thing. Okay, fine. You can still say, like, this is not true. Like, this is not true.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Support it.

[Moses Hacmon]

That's why even, like, him not being able to give a statement to us, I kind of. I understood that, though, to us, to a degree. I'm like, oh, well, maybe he's gonna do something on his own. Like, I didn't really expect one.

[Trisha Paytas]

Right.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. At least post an Instagram story.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

I don't know, like, something.

[Trisha Paytas]

Very least you could do.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Just something. Because it's also, like, you can't really. As you can't escape it. Like, it. It is everywhere. It's everywhere. So.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, maybe by the time this comes out, maybe I'll say something, hopefully.

[Moses Hacmon]

Because it's April 23rd. So let's see. Maybe by April 24th, as this goes up, there'll be something. Yeah. I hope.

[Trisha Paytas]

Or at least the pressure. Pressure to say something because, like, you should. Maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he's like, people are running, like, you know, like you said, PR people are very much like, don't say anything very.

[Moses Hacmon]

That. Yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're not. You're an influencer. This is your. This is what people. You know, you're a person. People are supporting you as a person. You're not a celebrity. You're not an actor. You're not anything like you're you.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Especially to your friend. I don't know. You have to say something.

[Moses Hacmon]

And it's just so serious. It's not, you know, a little. It's not tea. It's not like a little joke or something. It's like, literally, someone's life was very much in danger and it's jeopardized.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. And it's very. The proof looks like the top.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's very convincing. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's awful. I. Yeah. I'm glad you. Glad you talked about it and spoke about it. It's good to bring, like, awareness and more, you know, attention to it, because I don't know how to talk about these kind of things. But you put it very well.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And I'm still. God. I literally, literally just learned about this Sunday. So I was sorting through all this. I'm still kind of them discovering new information because there's just so many tik toks, so much content out there from a lot of sides.

[Trisha Paytas]

And it's a lot like. It is like, I. I totally support her, but I remember just saw, like, one video, and it was like, her on vacation, and it was showing, like, blood stains on her, and then him just chilling in bed after they.

[Moses Hacmon]

I couldn't even look.

[Trisha Paytas]

That's what I'm saying. Like, it's just. It's a lot. But I do think it's something that people should talk about. And it's just like, so.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

It's, like, sick. It's like. It's a hard. It's hard to digest and, like, watch it.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And it's hard to also finding the balance of, like, yes. Talking about it and supporting, but also, again, not making a circus out of it, too. It's like a very delicate situation. That's why I'm glad we at least heard from Kayla herself, you know, and she gave us permission to talk about it. Makes me feel a lot better because it's, like, very hard to, like.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah, you don't want to, like, speculate or be a drama.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

Truth always prevails. And people always see, especially with social media, there's usually justice that is served in some ways.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. And I'm glad she is following through, getting. Because obviously Evan is innocent until proven guilty.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yes.

[Moses Hacmon]

There's a lot of evidence that it's not a good look, and I'm glad that Kayla is ready to see it all the way through and go to court because. As she should.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. It's not easy. Most people don't because it's so.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's so much to relive, like, literally, because you just get up there and you have to testify, and then they. There's people, like, just think about it, too. Like, you are. Say you are a victim, and then you are on the stand, and there is a really aggressive person on the other side trying to discredit everything that you've lived through and experienced. Like, that is.

[Trisha Paytas]

And sometimes those people, like, get away. Yeah. They can pull the veil over people's eyes. Like. Yes, it is. It's very scary.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. So I.

[Trisha Paytas]

That age, especially when she was just like, this, like, lucky go influencer, and then all of a sudden, you're like, I know.

[Moses Hacmon]

It breaks my heart because I remember editing that interview, and she's just so. We.

[Trisha Paytas]

So excited.

[Moses Hacmon]

It's so. It's crazy how much that experience can alter you and aid you and.

[Trisha Paytas]

Oh, my God, it's awful.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. It makes me want to cry thinking about it, but.

[Trisha Paytas]

Well, she has our support.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

She seems to have a lot of support out there from her family. And. Yeah. Truth always comes out, even if it takes a while, even if it's not public, if it's whatever. Like, it's just the law of the universe, like, things come out and the truth will prevail and hopefully get some justice for something like that. Okay.

[Moses Hacmon]

Well, journalism today, my goodness, you're very good at it.

[Trisha Paytas]

You're so good at it. That's why we lost.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm not great at it, but you're.

[Trisha Paytas]

Great at a key. But you're really great at journalism, too.

[Moses Hacmon]

I'm trying. I was in those DMS, you know, the past 24, 48 hours. I was like, let me. Because I wanted to be fair about it, too. I didn't want to just, like, dog pile on James not knowing anything.

[Trisha Paytas]

We never reached out to him before. And now you have. Yeah.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah. I'm glad. Especially I think Kayla was a big one. I'm glad that.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. She responded.

[Moses Hacmon]

Yeah.

[Trisha Paytas]

All right, you guys. Well, that is our hot topics for the day as our episode for today. Yes. Maybe there's like a number to reach out if you are experiencing.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, good idea. Yes. It's domestic violence resources in the description.

[Trisha Paytas]

Yeah. Because it's something I don't have much experience, and so I don't know. But I just know there's resources and there's places to help and I get emails about it all the time. And I always just, like, try to send numbers and stuff because I don't really know. I know it's like probably the scariest thing even listening to her story is like, sometimes you don't know where to go or where to turn to. You just feel like, I don't know. So we'll put that on the screen. But thank you guys for listening and I hope that you have a really great weekend. And we'll be back Monday. Tuesday.

[Moses Hacmon]

Oh, yes.

[Trisha Paytas]

Okay. That's it. Thank you. Thank you, Oscar. Great job, Oscar. On the journalism, that degree paid off. I love that. It. Okay. Thank you, Moses, for the Gabbie Hannah update. And then journalism and then.

[Moses Hacmon]

And Benson Boone.

[Trisha Paytas]

And Benson Boone, we apologize. I love you, Green Day. If you want to come, you know, be a guest performance at my LA Greek show, May 4th. I love you guys. Thanks for all the support and love. And we'll see you in the next one. By.