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This episode is sponsored by revolve.
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Good morning, good evening, good day, good night, Karmaroo.
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I am learning to love and appreciate the Good morning, good evening, good night. So the hatred and slander that I have spewed over these weeks over you doing that needs to go away.
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Yeah. No, I'm good. No more crying. Well, the tears are gone.
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Okay.
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So yesterday I had my procedure done. I got it. It's called a D and E, not dnc.
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Oh, I wonder if they changed it.
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No, there's two different things. Like, DNC, I think, is typically before 13 weeks, and then D is after 13 weeks. So I don't really know why I got a D and E, because I wasn't after 13 weeks anyway. I would like to say, though, I started passing it on my own the night before, and it was so painful. I was like. It was awful. And so, like, I. I had to wake up at, like, 5am to go to the hospital, and I was so nervous I was gonna get there and I'd be like. And be like, I started bleeding. Are you still gonna do this? But they still did it. My doctor chef kisses. She's so nice. It was so nice to see her. She was, like, asking how Liam Becks were. Cause she delivered Becks. I was in a good mood. I was excited to just, like, have this chapter close. Surgery went well. I feel great. I had it yesterday.
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I'm glad that you're feeling better. And I'm like, obviously don't wish these circumstances on you or anyone, but, like, truly, your outlook has really put things into perspective for me just in general. Like, I think you're helping so many people not just by, like, what you're going through, but, like, your mindset and your outlook on everything is helping just me see things differently.
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I appreciate that. I love you.
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I love you.
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Did you know before we came to your lip topic, I had a meeting with my fertility doctor, and I wish I knew these stats prior to getting into trying to conceive all the things. Did you know that it's like 40 to 50 of pregnancies end in miscarriage?
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Yeah, I did know that.
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That. That's a wild number, right?
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Like, often people don't know that if you're late for your period, you probably had a miscarriage. Yes. And if there is a chance that you could be pregnant, it is most likely a miscarriage.
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Yeah.
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And that's like, a weird. My doctor told me that when I had secondary infertility after Lincoln, and I guess it would have not been secondary. It Would have been like, after my second child, I guess it's still secondary infertility. But he told me that he's like, if you. If there is a chance that you are pregnant, that you could be pregnant and then your period is late, but it's coming up negative, that is most likely like. But I guess it would be more of like a. And people will listen to this and correct us if we're wrong. Like more of like a chemical pregnancy where it is gone before you even know you're pregnant. But it still doesn't, like, change the fact that, like, that's an insane thought.
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It is. And like, but knowing that it's like so common. Like, it just. It makes. Like it makes you feel less like it's your fault. Right. Like, it's just so common that, like, it happens all the time. And also, also my fertility doctor, I'm pissed because two things I'm pissed about. One thing, she was like looking at my chart. She's like, oh, it looks like they might have triggered you too early for your retrieval, which ultimately led to a poor quality retrieval. And I'm like. And that wasn't what we were talking about. But she said it so nonchalantly. And I'm like, are you gonna pay for my. Another retrieval then? Since you guys up didn't say that. No, I didn't say it. But she said people of my age, which I wish I would have known. She said people my age typically take four transfers for it to find success.
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A successful pregnancy, like, that's the type of information that you should have gone. Yeah, knowing, like, why are you just now finding that out?
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Like, after I did my retrieval, the doctor was like, oh, this is fine. Normally people your age have to do two retrievals. Like, tell me that before.
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Right? So you can go like, obviously it's not. It might not go exactly according to that, but like, you could have some baseline knowledge so that you could mentally prepare. And not saying it's going to be any easier, it's still just harder. It's just like the principle of like, knowing what the is going on.
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Yeah. So I'm so. Learned a lot of things. Again, I appreciate. I appreciate all the message. Like, I've had so much support over these past few days. People obviously resonating with me and just like the kind messages were just so nice. I bought a new couch and so I read them while I was on my new couch yesterday. That. That's all. Let's. We're gonna wrap up miscarriages and all the things until next time.
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Until next time.
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Next year I'll try again and I'll.
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Fully support you and be here if you need me.
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All right, give me an update on your lip.
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Okay, so for anyone new here, I had a neck lift back in August and I chopped off my double chin so that I could have a snatched jawline. And for the most part I'm healing very well. With that being said, I still have temporary and I'm putting that in air quotes for anyone listening and not watching in quotes. Temporary paralysis of my lower body, like my lower left lip. And allegedly that is from the swelling pushing on the nerve causing the temporary paralysis. It's been two months and three days since my surgery and I'm still not seeing any difference in the paralysis. So went to my follow up with Dr. Ho yesterday and did just like a conversation, had a conversation about like what options I have to try to get the nerve back to functioning and regenerating. The options were steroid injections and or I believe it's called rpr, not prp. It might be prp, I don't know one of them, which is sort of like a vampire facial, which I have done before, where they draw blood from your arm, spin it down, take the plasma out of it and then inject it into your face. And the idea behind that is to like regenerate. It's like growth, you know, you want to do like regrowth in the cells and the nerve. And so I basically opted to do both. But then the doctor did warn me that if I did steroid injections that it could actually prevent full healing because it can create muscle atrophy which is like, yeah, like build up almost. She said it would like create a divot, like it would create such like muscle atrophy that it would like create a divot there versus like actually fixing the problem. And so we only, we went, we opted for like the plasma injections and then anti inflammatory injection but not the steroids. Now with that being said, I'm swollen more than I was from all of the injections. I think I got injected between the plasma and the anti inflammatory, probably between five and seven times, five and 10 times in this area. The injection for the anti inflammatory shit was so painful that I was like holding on for dear life, like truly so painful and obviously no relief because it's more swollen today. So I go back in a month to see one if there's any progress or two, like what our next steps are if there is not. I have heard that people who have had Temporary paralysis. Sometimes it can take up to a year to come back, which I'm not okay with. So we're just gonna do our best and hope for the best.
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It looks great. Like, it looks a lot better than it did. It does. Like, you get like. I feel like when. When I first saw like videos of you, I was really obvious. Like, I can't. I wouldn't be able to even tell now.
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I did get one unit of dysport a couple weeks ago that did not work on this side to sort of paralyze this side. And they did add another unit of dysport over here yesterday just to like, try to even it out.
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Yeah.
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And so we'll give it like a month and see where we're at. But it's hard because I love the results of my chin and I love, like, I don't regret that at all. I think that I'm really, really happy with this. But obviously this is like, I'm still on camera seeing myself every day. So I basically traded one problem for another. But I'm trying to be more positive about it with your outlook and insight and things like that. And outside of that, I came home from my appointment yesterday and went right to football and basketball. We had three kids and two sports yesterday. And so it was. It was a really long day yesterday. Yeah. Between all of this and then sports.
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Yeah, so I'll go November 6th and then I'll come home on the 10th for the burial.
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Is he getting buried?
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He's not getting buried, but they're doing like a memorial situation because he was a marine, so they're gonna do like a headstone situation. And my sister, my aunt and I are gonna split up his ashes and I sent urns down to them in Texas, so we'll do that. I've never had someone's ashes before, so it feels a little weird, especially because we didn't have a relationship. It almost feels. It even feels weird. Like the messages that I've gotten about him and like his passing. And also people have reached out, like, thank you for sharing your story because it helped me decide what I'm gonna do. Like, that is so helpful. But when people say I'm so sorry for your loss feels very Foreign, because it doesn't really feel like my loss. It. It, like, almost feels like I'm a fraud. Like, I'm not allowed to grieve this because we didn't have a relationship. And so in that way, I don't even know how to grieve it. And I was crying to my therapist yesterday because I was like, I don't know how to grieve. And I also don't have time. Like, I have not had a single minute to, like, sit down and think about it, talk about it. Really, outside of the podcast, there's only a few minutes that we, like, are on each subject. Yeah. So I was telling her that, like, some of my emotions are coming out in other places that they normally wouldn't. And she said, well, you're like a pressure cooker, Kale. Like, yeah, you're not having time to grieve here, and you're having a lot of feelings about this, but they never get addressed, they never get talked about, and they never go anywhere. And you are over here and you get in an argument at work about something, you're gonna let it out over here. Because all of this stuff is, like, seeping out. So, like, if there's a crack in the foundation, it's just going to implode. And I'm like, okay. But I still. That doesn't help me with, like, my time. Like, I don't have time right now. I don't even have time to go to Texas. I'm just making it happen.
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Do you ever have time?
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Well, it's just like. And that's for everybody. Like, life just gonna go on and that's so sad. Is like, life stops for nobody.
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Yeah. I think that it's important to recognize, though, like, you like people that grieve someone. Like, this is not necessarily the grief of grief of the death itself, but, like, you're gonna grieve on, like, conversations that you should have been able to have, that you're no longer going to be able to have. Right. Like, you're gonna grieve those moments, those, like, healing aspects of yourself that you no longer be able. Are able to get right. Like, it's not like grief is a million layered in a million different ways. I was just talking to my friend Danny about it yesterday. Like, we're taught, like, we're taught at such a young age how to know what, like, a triangle is or what, like, but why aren't we taught about grief since it, like, is happening so much or will happen so much throughout our life? I. I Hope to be able to teach my kids, like, grief at, like, in a healthy way, to help them prepare for the inevitable. Inevitable throughout life. But it's just sad. Like, us as adults, like, how unprepared we were to be able to grieve. Like, it's just some. No one. Everyone struggles with it. Everyone struggles with how to process it. What I was going to say before, though, I had someone on for the haters who had a. A child that passed away and their dad that passed away, and they. She had a really bad relationship with her dad, and she left his ashes in her car in the dashboard because she didn't want his ashes to be close to anyone in the house. And so she just, like, left them there because she was like. Like, didn't want, like, the energy to be intertwined.
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I mean, that's one way to do it. You know, I've seen people, like, wear their ashes, like, in a necklace.
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Yeah. Larry's ashes are still in a box in my under. Like, the cat food at my mom's house.
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Put some respect on Larry's name.
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We should, like, sprinkle some up here or something.
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I don't know, like, just, like, shake him wherever he loved to be.
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He liked it. He liked his cats. So I guess that's a good place to be for now.
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Oh, I think the option to get, like. I'm pretty sure both my grandparents were cremate. Cremated. Cremated. Yeah, cremated. And I think I want to ask my uncle, like, do I. But he might have them buried. Like, he might have, like, buried them under the headstones or whatever, but Interesting. Well, I hope you find a new home for Larry's ashes.
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Do you want some of Larry?
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Yeah, I do, actually. He was there for my first IPA or whatever the. You had me drinking, so. Yeah. Oh, I completely forgot to tell you. I have really good news for you. For us, Karma and Chaos won two awards. Yeah. We won in the LGBTQ plus award for Nice Signal Award. Yeah. In that category, LGBTQ plus, I usually say IA plus, but anyways. And then the second one that we. That one was a silver award. Silver Signal Award. And then the second one is the buddy podcast, and we won bronze.
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That's exciting.
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Yeah. Carmine Chaos. Two awards.
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Happy one year of Carmen.
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We won two awards for our one year.
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I feel as if you will be just. That head has just gotten so much bigger for winning an LGBTQ+ award. Like, anytime that someone questions you, you're just like, I won.
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I thrive like, gay award. Kale, are you gay? Yes, I am. Thank you so much.
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You know, you can recognize me with an award.
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Thank you for considering me as part of this community, truly.
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You know what? That makes me really happy. We've never won. We haven't won an award yet.
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I know. And now we have two for our one year. So now like a plaque or something. Yeah, I believe we get like actual awards.
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I'm gonna put them in my new office.
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Yeah, we have to like. I.
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Okay. I have two things I want to talk about. I don't know if we've talked about this before. Do you recline your seat on an airplane?
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This one's tricky for me because if it's like a short flight, I'm not getting comfortable because you end up having to put your back like an 45 minutes before you land. So if it's like a two or three hour flight. No, because I don't want to be comfortable for one hour and uncomfortable for two. So no. If it's a long flight, yes. Do.
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Do you hate when people put their seat back?
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I don't give a.
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That's what I'm. I'm like, just so I'm. I put my seat back when I get on a plane. Like my seat is going back. I don't give a. If the person in front of me puts their seat back. I don't understand why it's such a hot topic.
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Is it a hot topic?
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Such a hot topic. People will and complain all the time about people putting.
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If you don't like it, buy first class because there's more room and it won't matter if they put their seat back because you'll have so much more room that it won't matter. So if you don't like it, shut the up or buy first class. I'm so tired of people. This is like. You know what this is triggering me from? This is triggering me from when I would like and complain about my ex all the time. And then I stayed. Like that's where I'm taking this. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, I do.
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I needed to shut the up and stop bringing every cheating scenario to him if I was going to stay anyway. If you don't like, don't like your seat, your space being invaded, do something about it or shut up.
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Round of applause. Also, why do we have to put our seat back up for. For takeoff and for landing?
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Honestly, I'll never understand that. Because military planes are. They have their seats backwards and like, it's safer and it's supposed to be like better. It's the same Way, like car seats are backwards, whatever. So, like, if we're already being so unsafe that our seats are facing forward, why do we have to put them back?
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It just like, does it change the, like anything like that?
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So somebody might argue with me about aerodynamics or some. I don't know. But no, Half the people on the plane aren't even wearing their seat belts. So what are we really doing? I don't know.
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What are we doing? I hired two. So I've been working on my new office above my garage and I had hired someone to come help me and then he got sick. So that's when I just started doing it myself. Like, I did the framing, I did the insulation, I did it all myself. And then I needed help with drywall and so I asked my friend Dan, you know Dan, to come and help and so he did. But then the guy that I hired texted me that he was going to come too. And like, putting two people that, like, are used to being working by themselves, like, in a room together is so uncomfortable. Like two men. Yeah, it was.
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So what is it, like an ego thing?
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Yeah, for sure. Because, like, general contact tractors have their own quirks of, like, the way they do things and, like, what needs to be done. I had to leave. I was so uncomfortable.
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Did you tell Dan to leave or.
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No, no, no, no, Dan's great. He. He stayed. He's gonna help me.
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So you just get them both, like, thug it out in this space together?
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Yeah, I did.
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Oh, I don't. That would make me so uncomfortable. I would have to tell someone to leave and I. Right through my teeth because I would never tell someone to leave.
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Yeah, I wanted to get the most done that I possibly could. So hopefully the next couple weeks I'll have a new podcast space to record, a new office, detached from the house to have my own privacy and space. It'll have an extra spare bedroom up there. Then next year we'll put a bathroom.
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What do you think makes the perfect snack?
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It's got to be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.
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Could you be more specific when it's cravenient.
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Okay, like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the street at a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at AM pm.
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I'm seeing a pattern here.
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Well yeah, we're talking about what I.
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Crave which is anything from AM pm.
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What more could you want? Stop by AMPM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient.
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That's cravenience AM PM Too much. Good stuff.
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I want your opinion on something. Okay, so I just reopened my because I have to start recording again. I have about five more episodes left so that I batch recorded and so I just reopened my for the haters for people to submit if they want to come on. I have like 60 submissions already which is wild. So I've, I've had people reach out to me and I'm curious of what your like what your thoughts are on this. So obviously for the haters is a very like emotional every episode is kind of like heavy. Someone a couple. I've heard it from a couple people now that they were like oh, you should throw in just like some more some different kinds of stories in the mix so that they're not that heavy all the time and which I battle with because I could bring on someone like. Like how did you find success? Right. Like what, what Just hearing people's life stories. But doesn't that take away from the point of what for the haters is is like having hard conversations. But on the other hand if you have some like positive things thrown into it, will it increase viewership because you're not just having all these dark things? I don't know.
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This feels Like a double edged sword. Because you could try it. I have noticed for myself in projects that people resonate with pain more for sure. And I'll use my books. For example. Pride Over Pity was really painful and it made New York Times bestseller. Hustle and Heart was more of like the silver linings and what I learned from my marriage and my divorce and like what I'm taking away from it. So it's hard to say. Like for me specifically, people love to see me up. Like my content that is like depressing does significantly better than my content that's happy. Unfortunately for you, if people are asking like, is it? Here's the thing too, like, if you're looking at the feedback, how many people are saying, can you add something that is positive or happy or successful? Because I think that is. If it's one or two people, we're not listening. One or two people. If it's 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 people, I think that needs to be, that needs to get some, some.
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No, it's, it is just like a handful of people right now. So I think that's a good.
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If you wanted to give it a try, I would try with one, I wouldn't put. Try with one or two, see how they perform. And then I wouldn't go, I wouldn't like do like five or ten of them. Because if they're, if they're even worse than like some of the heavier topics, then obviously you just wasted 10, 10 episodes on positivity that people don't want to hear about. But do what? Do one or two and see what happens.
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And then my other thing is, like I said, I have over. Let me see what I'm at now. In the past two days, I have 56 submissions that would fill a full year of content. Right? So like, is it crazy to put out more than one episode in a month?
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Before you do that, are there anybody that deserve part two, that you have recently that you've aired and had a really good response to that need an update or part two?
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Not that, not that like rings a bell.
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Okay, well then what are. So what are you saying? You don't want to record with 52 people?
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No, I'm saying like, do I put like five episodes out a month instead of four somehow just so that there's more stories, or just keep it, keep it going.
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You're up for that work, I think. Yeah, go ahead and do it. There's nothing wrong with you putting out.
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More now with the baby. I have to figure out. I just had a conversation with Leah about it too. Like, we're gonna have to figure out if I. Maybe I'll just go back to doing like Sunday night recordings. Like Sunday evening, like having a set time. I was. When I was recording, I was recording three episodes each Sunday. Well, thanks for your input. And if you're listening, I don't know.
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If that was helpful or if.
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Check out, check out for the haters.
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Yeah, truly, everybody check out for the haters. Please go look like her on Instagram and listen to an episode. Like, share it with someone. Look through the topics. Like, if you are looking for something specific, I guarantee you that Becky probably has a podcast episode on it. Separate from that. I'm getting a new phone and I never transfer anything from any of my phones ever. Like, I could not tell you. Maybe 2010 was the last time I like, transferred. I usually just start over. Like, I start a new icloud, I started new everything and nothing gets backed up. And then I cry about it in a year because it's like, where's that picture? And the picture never got uploaded and I don't remember the password from my previous phone.
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You know what I mean?
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So I have all my phones in my closet, but I don't know how to get into them without getting rid of the pictures and like resetting them. So I say all that to say that today I have helped to transfer and then also upload pictures somewhere so that I can get to them. But I. The work that is one. I'm blessed. Thank you to the universe for even putting me in a position to have a new phone. But, like, also the work that is putting into a new phone stresses me out and I don't want to think about it because I feel like it would take hours and hours to do something like this and it's really stressful. Full.
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Why do you need a new phone?
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Because I'm a content creator. Rebecca.
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B
You should get the metaglasses and start making content with them. Oh, God, never mind.
- [30:52]
A
Wait. No, I know what those are and they freak me out and I'm going to tell you why. Okay. Somebody could be recording me and I don't know. Yeah, somebody could be wearing them while I'm cussing someone out. And now.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I don't like that. I don't think that's safe. Is it AI or is it meta glasses? I'm scared.
- [31:18]
B
AI has turned a corner. Huh?
- [31:20]
A
So AI is freaking me out because the way that I'll scroll on my Facebook and I'm not like, if something happens, like, I'm nervous because I'll scroll on my Facebook and it will literally be a picture or an interview of me. And I never said any of that.
- [31:36]
B
Yeah, you sent me a video of a bear and an old woman and you thought it was real.
- [31:42]
A
Well, it was just like, why, why are they doing that? Like, why are they trying to play on my heart strings?
- [31:47]
B
And did you, did you see all the AI videos of Jake Paul?
- [31:51]
A
Yeah, but he did that on purpose.
- [31:53]
B
I know. Those were so good.
- [31:55]
A
Listen, here's the thing. If I'm getting paid with Jake Paul money, if people are going to pay me, they can use me and my likeness for AI if they are paying me.
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B
Yeah. It is an interesting concept though. Like, people using AI and using people.
- [32:14]
A
Like they're making money off of mining my likeness through AI without my permission. Like you. There's this one person that's like, create taking all my snaps, like my on Snapchat and like creating tick tock videos and posting them. And if she's in the like, creator fund, she's getting paid off of my Snapchat videos is.
- [32:36]
B
And that's not legal, right?
- [32:39]
A
I don't, I honestly don't know anymore. Like, I don't. Because if she, if I don't, if I can't get a hold of like, who she is and it's just like a fake username, how would I ever, like, do anything about it?
- [32:53]
B
I don't know. I'm waiting for the day to like, see a video of you doing something and like, please don't, like, just don't. I did try to use the one video thing of doing like a kangaroo in a kayak down the river. It was really funny.
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A
Well, so I saw this AI trend of like, where it looks like like a weird person is like, in your house, in your house, try to do it. And AI was like, wait, let me see if I still. It was like, we. This goes against our like, guide guidelines or something. I'm like, well, then how the is everybody else doing it? And I can't do it. Oh, I don't have it anymore. But it was like this. Depicting a homeless person is like bullying essentially, is like what it said. It was like, we cannot depict a homeless person in a derogatory manner or whatever. And I'm like, I'm just playing, trying to prank somebody. I wanted to make one of the kids with ghost face behind him. And it was like, we cannot, we cannot do this. And I'm like, well, how's everybody else doing it?
- [33:52]
B
That's what I mean, we need someone on the team that's an expert in AI videos and pictures, you know?
- [33:58]
A
Yeah, let me know.
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B
Do you get road rage?
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A
No.
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B
I find it so like, I do not get any road rage. I do not get mad at people driving. I sometimes will be like, huh, I wonder what's wrong with that person. Or like it feels so like, like you're letting yourself get worked up over like something of like. I don't know. Sometimes when I, I say this because sometimes if I know I made a mistake, like, I feel so guilty, I'm like, oh my God. I'm so, like they're coming to yell at me and I'm like, my bad if I cut someone off.
- [34:30]
A
But then I'm so sorry. I'm so. Yeah, like they don't.
- [34:34]
B
And then sometimes I just give someone a thumbs up when they're, when they're angry at me. I'm just like. And it just pisses them off even more.
- [34:42]
A
I don't really piss anyone off when I'm driving. Except the cops.
- [34:47]
B
And the kids in your car.
- [34:48]
A
No, the kids in my car. They're pissed off on their own. They're fighting each other, giving each other black eyes. Whatever. We're going to talk about. Oh, positive again. Because this is a women's health company that offers a range of symptom targeting supplements that support women at every stage of life from their first period to well beyond their last. I have been so open and honest about the cheating scandal and PH being off and I'm proud to say that Euro's Vaginal Probiotics is one of the top five supplements on Amazon and they have multiple number one products in Target for intimate care, PMS and menopause care categories.
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B
When you were. When you were younger, did you. What? What did you say? What did. What did you say?
- [37:05]
A
My lips up. He said, when you were younger. And I said, my mom smoked in the car. Like, Susie was like, window up. You're. You're making it worse by letting the smoke go across your face. Like, fuck you, Susie. Anyways, when I was younger, what did.
- [37:23]
B
You used to like, run the shower and just lay on the bathroom floor?
- [37:29]
A
Wait, no, but. No, I didn't lay on the bathroom floor, but I just would just run the shower and then not shower. And then I caught one of my kids doing that and hell froze over. Like I was pissed. I was pissed.
- [37:46]
B
I used to like, also I would take my, like the thermometer and I would put it to the light to make it so that it looked like I had a temperature so that I didn't have to go to school.
- [37:57]
A
Oh, Susie never made me go to school, so I never. I didn't have to worry about that. I went on my own volition. The temp. That was. That's good. Putting it by the light is good.
- [38:08]
B
Yeah. Wait, which kid got caught running the shower?
- [38:11]
A
Elliot.
- [38:12]
B
Elliot, come on.
- [38:14]
A
Three years ago. It was three years ago. That's. That was the last time we really butt butted heads because I'm like, what are we doing?
- [38:25]
B
What are we doing? There was a really great thread on the Facebook group talking about Throne of Glass and Fantasy books. Oh, did you start fourth wing yet?
- [38:35]
A
No, I haven't read in 12 days. Because let me tell you something, I'm struggling with this and maybe you can help give me perspective. I don't really need it, but it might help. I love my kids and I know that they are only going to be this age one time. And so I keep that in mind every single night when they ask me to lay with them. And so last night, for example, we had football and basketball and we got home at 8:57pm okay, let that sink in. 8:57. And because football was almost directly after school and then basketball was directly after football, we still had to shower and eat and go to bed. Well, by the time I get everyone in their showers and fed, now I have to shower, then they want me to lay with them. I know that this could be solved by not doing so many sports, but it's not really fair to the kids because I'm tired that they can't go to sports. So I want to lay with them every single night. I also need to wind down myself. Like, I just need 30 minutes, an hour to, like, wind down. But I no longer have that. I have not been able to read at night, which is normally how I was getting so much of my reading done. Because I'm not getting down to my room until 10:30, 11:00'. Clock. And by that point, I don't have it in me to read anymore. Yeah. So I'm just struggling with, like, on one hand, I want to be like, my kids are only going to be this age one time, and I don't know what to do.
- [40:12]
B
When you lay with them, do you talk to them or you're just laying with them?
- [40:15]
A
No, like, I. So right now, because the twins are in their own room, I have. Creed doesn't share a room with anyone anymore, But I do have an extra bed because sometimes if Lincoln's not home, then Lux will want to go in there. So right now the setup is Creed has his own room, and then Lux and Lincoln wanted to share, so they have two beds in there. Typically, what's happening is Lincoln and Lux now want me to lay with them. They have for a long time. So I'll go lay with Lux, and then when he falls, I rub his back, and then when he falls asleep, then I go lay with Lincoln. And then when he. I rub his back, and then when he falls asleep, then I'll go see if Creed is still awake. If Creed is still awake. Because greed is not asked for me. Me as much as he used to. Like, he still does sometimes. So the. By the time I'm now laid with three different children and it could be 20 minutes each, 30 minutes each. Do you know what I'm saying? And so it's late.
- [41:05]
B
Sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to put a little earbud in and take a little listen to Fourth Wing.
- [41:15]
A
You'Re like, solutions all over.
- [41:17]
B
Literally, when I put. When I put Bex to bed, when I'm feeding him, I'll put an audiobook on.
- [41:25]
A
But then. But then what's happening, too? Because I also typically have three books going at the same time. Kindle, Audio, Physical. Because I just do. There is so much going on that now in the car, I no longer want to listen to anything. I don't want to listen to music. Don't want to listen to a book. I need silence because I have this much time every day by myself. Sometimes I don't have any time by myself except for when I take a. SO and that doesn't happen as often as it should. So.
- [41:59]
B
I think that you could listen to an audiobook while you put them to bed.
- [42:02]
A
Fair. I've never thought about putting an earbud in during that time. So.
- [42:06]
B
Yeah.
- [42:07]
A
Because it does need to be quiet for them, but, like, it doesn't have to be quiet for me. That's a great idea.
- [42:11]
B
Thank you.
- [42:12]
A
Yeah.
- [42:14]
B
Start fourth wing tomorrow.
- [42:15]
A
Tonight, probably not tonight. Maybe tomorrow. I also.
- [42:21]
B
What?
- [42:21]
A
I did tell the kids that this weekend that they can sleep in my bed because it would be way easier for them to come lay in my bed this weekend than for me to go lay with three different children. We could just all have a slumber party in my room. So they're gonna sleep in my room. I don't care how late they stay up. I don't give a. I'm gonna sleep this weekend.
- [42:39]
B
I want to sleep with all you guys. What the hell?
- [42:42]
A
Come on.
- [42:45]
B
I have things to do this weekend. We need. I need to get back up there.
- [42:50]
A
I also need to get back there.
- [42:52]
B
Yeah, we need to. We need to get some things in the calendar.
- [42:56]
A
Agreed.
- [42:57]
B
Speaking of making plans, I. I've been going. I mean, I've talked about this a bunch of times. I. I've been going through one of those moods again, where I'm, like, frustrated at life a little bit because I feel like if I don't make plans with people, like, I would just never see them.
- [43:16]
A
Please don't take that personally.
- [43:17]
B
No, no, no, no. It's not about you.
- [43:19]
A
No, no, no, no, no. I know. It's. You would tell me if it was about me. I feel like we have that relationship at this point where you would say that to me.
- [43:27]
B
I just feel like I only see people because I'm asking to see people.
- [43:33]
A
Just think about it, though, because there are certain people that. Yes, you would never hear from them if it wasn't for you. But then there are certain people like me who. It's not be for lack of caring. It's for my attention span is this big because I have seven kids that are climbing all over my body all day. Do you know what I'm saying? So, like, it's not because I didn't think of you. It's not because I'm not reaching out. And I'm speaking more for like, if I, if that's happening to me, I'm sure it's happening to other people as well. So just try to be careful. Like you're about to start making cuts.
- [44:04]
B
I'm not making cuts. I just get disappointed because, like, it's like when you see people doing things and it's like, oh, I would have done that too if I was asked.
- [44:14]
A
Oh, you know, like, you just want to be included. Like, yeah, hey, do you want to come to this event? And it's like, no, thanks for thinking of me.
- [44:23]
B
I literally don't think I say no to anyone.
- [44:25]
A
I said to me before, what? I invited you somewhere last weekend and you said you had to go to your brother's birthday.
- [44:36]
B
You asked me the day before. Yeah, I couldn't go because I think.
- [44:40]
A
It was like two days before.
- [44:42]
B
Okay, well, I had my brother's surprise birthday party, which was a valid thing.
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A
Okay.
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B
Okay.
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A
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A
Rage beat.
- [46:53]
B
It is so frustrating. But I watch them. I'm like, why are they doing it like this?
- [46:59]
A
I own. I don't care about them except for when I fall for it. Like the one time that this mom gets on there and she's like, I. Venmo requested for a playdate and she like, talked about how she had this little girl at her house and Venmo requested for the snacks and the wear and tear on her couch and the. Like that. And I. I lost my mind.
- [47:24]
B
And it was just rage bait.
- [47:26]
A
It was just rage bait. They really go viral. So, like, maybe they're on.
- [47:30]
B
There is someone that made a TikTok account of a mom and three kids, and she's talking about how her husband died maybe, or is on disability. And it's AI and asking for money and like, has multiple videos where it looks real, but, like, you can just. If you use a little bit of like, common sense. Common sense.
- [47:52]
A
You would be.
- [47:52]
B
You can tell that it's AI. But like, people are comment. Not one single comment said it was AI. All the comments are like, I'm so sorry. All I'm like, what the is going on?
- [48:04]
A
That's the. This goes back to our conversation about AI though. Like, it's so scary because you don't even have to put like a disclaimer on it. No, that's terrifying.
- [48:14]
B
Yeah, I like, commented. I was like, guys, this is AI. Like, even, like, that's scary.
- [48:21]
A
Do you want to read it or do you want me to read it?
- [48:22]
B
I can read it. It's like literally only a sentence long. This says, I was eavesdropping on my teenager's phone call, trying to catch her in a lie. Instead, I tripped over the laundry basket, screamed, and I gave myself away. She hasn't trusted me since. Karma or chaos. That's pure karma.
- [48:41]
A
Karma. That's karma.
- [48:44]
B
Do you monitor your kids phones?
- [48:46]
A
Yes. Is that I don't. I would hope. I mean, here's the thing though. Like, I'll go through it just to make sure that, like, we're not having inappropriate conversations, but I'm not gonna like, spy on them to get the information. I will literally say, hand me your phone. I'm gonna look through it and it's always. It's at random.
- [49:06]
B
They know you're doing it. It's not like, behind their back.
- [49:10]
A
Be sneaky about it, because that just is creating a recipe for distrust and not. Do you know what I mean?
- [49:19]
B
Yeah.
- [49:20]
A
Like, why just tell your kid you want to go through their phone, period. I pay for it. Let me go through it.
- [49:26]
B
I couldn't imagine my parents asking to go through my phone when I was a kid, though. That's what like.
- [49:31]
A
Well, the thing is, like, you run the risk of, like, some parents will be like, put your phone on the counter before you go to bed. And you don't know if they're going through it.
- [49:39]
B
Yeah.
- [49:40]
A
So then you're already going to be sneaky because of the chances that they're going to go through it. Now they're going to be sneaky and delete everything.
- [49:47]
B
What's an appropriate age that a kid can get a phone?
- [49:50]
A
My opinion on that is going to be that it varies by the child and their responsibilities, their maturity, like, the short answer to that. Lux has increasingly becoming, you know, persistent about the phone. And I'm like, well, you don't go anywhere by yourself. You're not at an age where you go anywhere by yourself. This is more for entertainment and games. I'm not doing it at the point that I'm dropping you off at practice or you're home by yourself, then you'll get a phone. But for right now, he doesn't.
- [50:19]
B
What grade is Lexington?
- [50:21]
A
He's in third grade.
- [50:22]
B
Yeah, that's. I feel like that's pretty early.
- [50:24]
A
It's like. And, And. And Lincoln had one at this age. Elliot didn't. So it's like, Elliot didn't really play sports or get dropped off anywhere. Now Elliot, he's doing after school stuff, so he's not coming home on the bus or like, you know, things like that. He's. I don't know. And then Lincoln, he's sometimes getting dropped off at a practice, or he's like, the other day, Lux had a basketball game, but Lincoln had soccer practice. So obviously I went to the game and not the practice. Well, I dropped him off with his aunt and he needed the phone because then he need to be able to text me, hey, are you picking me up or is Nina dropping me off? Like, that kind of thing. And so I really think it varies. The answer varies by kid.
- [51:07]
B
What about social media?
- [51:12]
A
Again, I think it varies by kid, maturity, family. Like, it's hard for me because it's like, where does my moral compass and my like ethical code stand with like my kids. Like on one hand, our social media is a business even for them. But then you like, that has to be his choice. Right? Like I asked my kids now and I have for a long time if I can post certain things because they don't want to be. If they do or don't want to be on social media. I think it depends. Does the kid want to be on social media? Are they old enough? Do they like, what is their intention? And so like I have a girlfriend. Well, you know, Sterling, she would ask me about her daughter and tick tock and stuff and I'm like, you can make it, you know, safer. But like at the end of the day, it's the Internet and anything can happen, especially with AI.
- [52:01]
B
So like, yeah, the Internet scares me with kids.
- [52:05]
A
Well, now that AI is like scaring me as an adult. It's scaring for my kids.
- [52:09]
B
Yeah.
- [52:12]
A
Yeah.
- [52:12]
B
So moral of the story is that was karma eavesdropping on your daughter without just telling asking?
- [52:20]
A
Yeah, I'm not doing that. I would rather build a relationship off of trust and understanding and then to be sneaky with my kid's phone.
- [52:31]
B
Well, it was great catching up with you. Hopefully we can get IRL soon. But we're back. I feel like kind of the past month has just been a little weird. But we're back. We're back, baby.
- [52:45]
A
We are back. And go get you some karmaroo. Merch. Merch for the haters. Where can people find you?
- [52:52]
B
Haydur25 on all social media platforms and for the haters.
- [52:58]
A
Perfect. Well, on that note, I'll see you next Tuesday.
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B
See you next Tuesday. Love ya.
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A
Love ya.
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