ENCORE: 36 Questions, 1 Podcast & 0 Filters

Summary

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Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter

Episode: ENCORE: 36 Questions, 1 Podcast & 0 Filters
Date: June 30, 2026
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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Kail Lowry and Becky Hayter (with Leah, Kail's partner, joining in) take on the "36 Questions to Fall in Love" quiz—a menu of deep, funny, vulnerable, and sometimes awkward questions meant to foster connection and understanding. With their trademark blend of unfiltered honesty, wicked humor, and millennial realness, the hosts explore everything from family wounds and friendship values to embarrassing stories, life dreams, and what they'd do if they only had a year to live. The result is a rich, highly relatable dive into the joys, pains, and hilarious absurdities of being adults, friends, and partners navigating karma and chaos.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Batch Recording & Burnout Vibes

[02:05-03:13]

• Kail and Leah reveal they’re deep into a long recording day. Kail jokes about working hard despite “trolls” claiming she doesn’t have a job.
• Notable Quote:
  • Kail: “Wait, I recorded five episodes today. And y’all said I don’t have a job.” [02:47]

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2. Jumping Into the 36 Questions

[03:14] onward

Quickfire Early Questions

• How fast do you fall in love?

  • Leah: “Six to seven months. At six months. Currently, definitely in love.” [03:32]
  • Kail: “Two seconds.” [03:55]
  • Discussion about surface vs. deep love—Becky notes the difference between “being in love” and “loving” a person.

• Dream Dinner Guest?

  • Kail: "Post Malone." [05:00]
  • Leah: "Michelle Obama. I feel like I’d learn a lot from her." [05:09-05:15]
  • Kail jokes Leah’s answer is too intellectual, lamenting, “I was just going out of pure selfishness.” [05:18]

• Famous or Rich?

  • Kail wants to be rich, not famous.
  • Leah would want fame only for finding the cure for cancer, poking fun at how serious she sounds. [05:33-05:44]

• Phone Call Prep?

  • Kail rehearses calls for an “exit strategy,” except with close friends. [06:01]

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3. Sharing Core Joys, Embarrassments, Vulnerabilities

Perfect Day?

• Kail: Pool, book, snacks.
• Leah: Early golf, diner with loved ones, pool, pizza, movie night. [06:39-07:12]

When Did You Last Sing?

• Both: This morning, often humming or singing casually. [07:18]

Retaining Mind vs. Body at Age 90?

• Leah: “Mind.” [09:09]
• Kail: “I just want to die.” Then picks “body” for practical reasons and jokes about their answers being proof they aren’t a compatible couple. [09:23-11:13]

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4. Family, Childhood & Trauma

• Kail reveals difficult memories: emotional neglect, being left alone as a child, and her complicated relationship with her mom, Susie. [18:31-19:09, 32:32-33:34]
• Leah wishes for more diversity and representation in her upbringing, acknowledging her childhood was otherwise secure. [19:21-19:36]
• The conversation turns to treasured memories (Kail’s rare positive moment with her mom, Leah’s time with her family before her father’s death and her engagement story). [30:28-32:17]
• Notable Quote:
  • Kail: “My friends are my family because I don’t have one.” [39:25]

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5. Dreams, Goals, and Regrets

• Kail wants to be a lawyer, hindered by parenthood and homeschooling; still hopes for the future. [23:20-23:39]

• Leah wants to start a nonprofit summer camp for at-risk youth, teaching practical skills and creating community. [23:39-24:43]

• If you only had a year to live?

  • Kail: “I would get off all social media and just be present.” [34:02-34:12]
  • Leah: “I would quit working…but otherwise I'm living a life that I’d be happy to live the last year of my life.” [34:18]

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6. Friendship, Love, and Values

• Kail highly values loyalty: “That would be the thing that would break your friendship, is that lack of loyalty and trust.” [29:06-29:11]

• Leah values presence and intention, showing up and supporting without being asked. [28:57]

• What does friendship mean?

  • Leah: “A community to allow yourself to take risks in life and enjoy life to the fullest because you have a support system.” [39:14]
  • Kail: “My friends are my family.” [39:25]

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7. Affection, Embarrassment, and Vulnerability

• Leah needs physical affection for security; Kail is more about acts of service. [39:43-41:15]
• Notable embarrassing stories shared: Kail’s period arrival in 7th grade; Leah forgetting to mute her call with a cancer patient seeking free shirts—much mortification. [49:32-51:34]

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8. Handling Loss, Regret, and Profound Questions

• Both address the pain of losing loved ones, difficulty with siblings’ deaths, and having regrets about not expressing feelings enough, especially for Kail. [55:16-56:05]
• On joking about trauma: morbid humor has helped them deal, but they set boundaries on who can joke about their pain. [53:02-53:54]
• Closing reflections circle back to the need for acceptance and boundaries in private and public life, as well as being open about who matters to them. [57:24-60:37]
• Notable Quote:
  • Leah: “I realized I was hiding the best part of my life.” (Re: being open about her relationship) [59:45]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Kail on Haters:
  “And y’all said I don’t have a job.” [02:47]

• On Love:

  • Kail: “Two seconds.” (on falling in love) [03:55]
  • Leah: “Six to seven months…definitely in love.” [03:32]
  • Becky: “There’s different levels of love… The difference between being in love with a person and loving a person.” [03:42]

• On Family as Friends:
  Kail: “My friends are my family because I don’t have one.” [39:25]

• On Coping with Trauma:
  Leah: “Making morbid dead dad jokes—like, is what got me through my dad dying.” [53:10]

• On Vulnerability:
  Leah (on coming out): “I realized I was hiding the best part of my life.” [59:45]

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Important Timestamps

• [02:05] – Batch recording burn-out banter
• [03:14] – Kickoff of the 36 Questions game
• [05:00] – Celebrity dinner guests
• [06:01] – Phone call rehearsal admission
• [09:09] – Mind or body at 90?
• [18:31] – Childhood wounds and neglect stories
• [23:20] – Kail’s dream to be a lawyer
• [28:57] – What do you value most in a friendship?
• [30:28] – Most treasured memories
• [34:02] – How you’d live with one year left
• [39:25] – “My friends are my family”
• [49:32] – Embarrassing stories
• [53:02] – Limits of humor and joking about loss
• [59:45] – Leah opens up about hiding her best self
• [60:40] – Episode wrap-up and calls for listener stories

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Tone & Language

• The episode is warm, self-deprecating, raw, and consistently witty. Kail brings her no-filter approach; Leah balances seriousness and hilarious asides. Becky (co-host/interviewer) steers the ship, gently prodding deeper answers, but always with humor.
• Quotes are in their original, casual, and sometimes explicit language, adding to the feeling of a real conversation among close friends.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a fantastic insight into the heart and humor that drive Karma & Chaos. Expect open talk about family scars, real friendship, parenting chaos, and pop culture, all delivered with signature unfiltered honesty. You’ll laugh, maybe tear up, and definitely recognize yourself somewhere in the chaos.

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Next steps:

• Listeners are encouraged to share their own “karma or chaos” stories by emailing the show (see episode description and socials).
• Sign off includes a $500 reward for Leah’s missing cat — in classic Karma & Chaos fashion, serious blended with silly.

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Transcript

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[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

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[Kale Lowry]

What are the vibes today?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

The vibes are third episode of the day we're recording. Just to let you guys know, we had a batch record because of Child coming, so we needed to be prepared.

[Kale Lowry]

This is my fourth podcast of the day. And your third.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

This is your fifth?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

This is your fifth? What?

[Kale Lowry]

No, no, this is my.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Her fourth of the day.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Her fifth of the day?

[Kale Lowry]

No, it's my fifth. Oh yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Why the. I forgot about Jody. Completely in my brain. That was. Never happened. No. Literally never happened. Like, it was gone.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, I recorded five episodes today.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And y' all said I don't have a job.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Me?

[Kale Lowry]

No. Oh, the trolls.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I'm editing that out. Oh, come on.

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

The amount of times that there is the words. I'm editing that out.

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That's not true. We.

[Kale Lowry]

We do all of our episodes go right to Lush.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Every single episode. It is said at least twice. I'm editing that out.

[Kale Lowry]

What do you have on the list for me today?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I have nothing on the list today.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Today we're gonna do a fun question game.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm excited for this because it's how

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

to fall in love.

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[Kale Lowry]

How long does it take you to fall in love with a person?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

You already asked me this.

[Kale Lowry]

And what was your answer? How about you, Alessandra?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

A long time.

[Kale Lowry]

How about you, Madison?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Six to seven months. At six months. Currently, definitely in love. Oh, six to seven months.

[Kale Lowry]

That's insane.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No, it's not.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yes, it is.

[Kale Lowry]

It is.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

But, like, I think there's different levels of love. Like, I think there's surface level love. I think there's deep love. I think there's the difference between being in love with a person and loving a person.

[Kale Lowry]

How long does it take you to fall in love with someone?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Two seconds.

[Kale Lowry]

Same.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

But that's not real.

[Kale Lowry]

No, it is.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes, it is.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Two seconds.

[Kale Lowry]

No, not two seconds.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

That is so for real.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I know you did.

[Kale Lowry]

You can fall in love with someone,

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

have a conversation with someone in a day.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

That was different levels of love.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Nobody knows where it's going. Nobody knows where it's going on that. At that moment. But you can still fall in love in that time.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

With. With that being said, here are 36 questions. To fall in love. Are we gonna fall in love by the end of this, me and you? Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I thought we already were. Why are you doing this?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay, let's simmer down. Given the choice of anyone in the world, whom would you want as a dinner guest? Would you want.

[Kale Lowry]

Am I answering this like I want Becky to be there, or is this.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Now you're answering the question.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

It's your own opinion. It's for us to get to know each other more.

[Kale Lowry]

Can you read the question again?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Given the choice of anyone in the world, whomst would you want as a dinner guest?

[Kale Lowry]

Am I answering this out loud?

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Post Malone.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Interesting.

[Kale Lowry]

Me and Postie would just vibe out. You know what I mean?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I'm gonna go with Michelle Obama.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Wow.

[Kale Lowry]

We didn't have to be intellectual for that.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I just think it would be a really great conversation. I feel like I would learn a lot from her.

[Kale Lowry]

Great. And I was just going out of pure selfishness. I don't know why you had to do that.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Number two, Would you like to be famous? In what way and why?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Oh, I know.

[Kale Lowry]

I would not like to be famous. And I would like to be rich.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I would like to be famous for finding the cure for cancer.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm done with you today. I thought we were doing this for funsies. And you're giving.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

It's a. It's a serious thing is a second

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

question into the 45 minute quiz. They're definitely not falling in love.

[Kale Lowry]

We are not compatible in any way. Thank you. And you're a Virgo.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Before making a telephone call, do you ever rehearse what you are going to say?

[Kale Lowry]

Why, yes, I do. Mainly because I want to get off the phone, so I have to think of what my exit strategy is. Kristen's the only person I like talking to on the phone, so I don't do that to her.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay, good.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I'm never calling you again.

[Kale Lowry]

You don't call me. You FaceTime me. And that was not the category that was asked.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No, I don't, like, think about what I'm going to say before I call. I've never done that in my life.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I don't want to talk to random people on the phone ever.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay. What would constitute a perfect day for you?

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

A day or date day?

[Kale Lowry]

The pool and a book and snacks.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

Snacks, Snacks.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I think I would start my morning. Give it to me.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay. What time are we waiting?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I think that I would start my morning off with maybe nine holes of golf and then go to the diner with all the people that I love and then go back to my pool. I would definitely agree with that. And hang out by the pool, order some pizza, have a movie night. That would be a great day.

[Kale Lowry]

I love that for you.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Can't wait to do that together. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Not without me.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I knew that was.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

When did you last sing to yourself?

[Kale Lowry]

This morning.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Today.

[Kale Lowry]

When? What'd you sing?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I was just singing before.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. I just hum a tune sometimes.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay, and when was the last time you sang to someone else?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Last night.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I love Leroni.

[Kale Lowry]

Is that your song?

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[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Then she'll go, I love Becca Rose.

[Kale Lowry]

Lesbians are so fun.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

It's also like Becky and Leah. Like, they are the quintessential millennials. Like when you think of millennials, like, that's who I think of. I love Becca.

[Kale Lowry]

Ron, who is the golden retriever and who's the black cat in your relationship?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I'm probably the golden retriever, but I

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

don't think Lee is a black cat.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

I don't either.

[Kale Lowry]

Maybe gray, maybe. Maybe a tabby cat.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Too soon, you know.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Oh.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Oh, that was up.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I'm so sorry.

[Kale Lowry]

Why did you do?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Well, like, why is she blaming you

[Kale Lowry]

as the next question. Oh, no, that was. I'm so sorry.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I'm hot. I'm literally sweating.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No, she is literally crying.

[Kale Lowry]

Can we move on?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Oh, my God.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Okay.

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Wow.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

If you were able to live to the age of 90 and retain either the mind or body of a 30 year old for the last 6 years of your life, which would you want?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Mind. Ah, wait, I answered that real quick. I thought you said six years.

[Kale Lowry]

You are 90 years old. Would you rather retain the mind or the body?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No, I'm still going with mind.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm gonna be so morbid. I.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

We know.

[Kale Lowry]

I just want to die.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah, okay, but just pick one. If you had to gun to your head.

[Kale Lowry]

Body. Yeah, I'm. I'm already insane. So, like, if I'm 90 and I don't have the mind, you know what I mean? Of like, younger, I'm still insane, so it doesn't make a difference. Did you say mind or body?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I said mind.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm proud of you. At least one of us is normal.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I mean, I watched my dad, like, literally, like, lose all of his mind, and that was like the worst part of.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Do you like when you. No, but like, okay, listen to Becky.

[Kale Lowry]

Can't keep doing this. I really can't.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

She's literally. Okay. This is the last episode. Thank you so much for listening to the 15 minutes of the last episode of Karma Chaos ever. Thank you. No, like, okay. No, because my question with that situation, Becky, do you think it's worse for the person going through it or the family? Like, because you're not as aware of it when you're going through it, do you think?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No.

[Kale Lowry]

So it's worse for the family, the

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

people around the family? Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. I mean, I watched my grandma go through the same thing.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Like, people at 90 aren't like, there are physically capable 90 year olds. It's not like you're automatically losing your. You're just like, can't run or jump, but, like, you still have, like, body autonomy. Yeah, I'm not just like, assuming I'm paralyzed at 90.

[Kale Lowry]

I am.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah. So, like, you could still function as a 90 year old. I'd rather be able to enjoy the like. And people around me, you know.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Don't ask any more questions like that. I can't with her. Answers are like, well, that's why you're not. I want to jump.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

If anybody ever gives a rumor that they're dating again, just this is going to dispel it.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. This is one reason 169 why we are not compatible or dating.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

69.

[Kale Lowry]

I can't do anything right. Like, what is going on?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

That's funny. Okay. That's funny. Are we okay?

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And everyone's gonna hate us. It's fine.

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[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Do you have a secret hunch about how you will die?

[Kale Lowry]

I do have a secret hunch about how I'm gonna die.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

It's not secret.

[Kale Lowry]

It's gonna be thousands of people know. I do. I don't have to say it. Do you? I also. If it's not the way that I want to go out, if I ever get murdered, I really need you guys to push for an episode on Dateline.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You've been telling me for five years.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, I just drill it In.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I know.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm manifesting.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No, no, you're manifesting being murdered.

[Kale Lowry]

No, no, no, no. Manifesting getting an episode of Dateline because I murdered. Do you know what I mean? Like, I wanted to be so dramatic.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Heavy on the if. Okay. Manifesting only the if.

[Kale Lowry]

The if.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Right.

[Kale Lowry]

What's your, like, situation, Your plan? Exit strategy? Old age. I love that for you.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

My kid would kill me with morphine.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I'm. That's what I'm hoping for for me

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

of old age, though. Like, when I'm ready to go, they're just, like, injected in.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah. Name the three things you and your partner appear to have in common.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, we have in common. Oh, we dress the same.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Where? When? In your parallel universe. What are we talking about here? Hello, Patricia.

[Kale Lowry]

I can't do this job anymore. I can't.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

All right, I'll answer. We both are business oriented.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

We're what?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Business oriented.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Can't answer.

[Kale Lowry]

You can.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

We are both business oriented. Right. Like, we have business mindsets. Yeah. Wanting to do fun. We work. We are both very, like, hard workers.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

I would agree.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

And we both love your kids a lot.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I love that.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

We also love Leo a lot.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Okay, next question.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

For what in your life do you feel the most grateful?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Oh.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, wow. Don't make me cry at this point. You know what I mean? No, everything.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What?

[Kale Lowry]

Truly everything. Grateful for everything.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No, you have to be specific.

[Kale Lowry]

Specific. Oh, my God. Grateful for the listeners of this podcast that allow me to pay my bills, to take care of my family, and give me the flexibility and structure to provide for my children.

[Shopify User / Business Owner]

Porch.

[Kale Lowry]

Because if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't be able to do any of that. Like, I wouldn't be able to do anything.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Thanks for listening.

[Kale Lowry]

What are you grateful for?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I would say, Leah, I love that. I mean, everything boils down. Like, anything I have in life boils down because of her.

[Kale Lowry]

So that's really romantic.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

That's my girl.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay. If you could change anything about the way you were raised, what would it be?

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

Everything.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

How much time do we have?

[Kale Lowry]

I wish my mom fed me more.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I gotta see myself out.

[Kale Lowry]

One time this lady called me.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No, no, I know, it's not funny.

[Kale Lowry]

I know.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

It's about to be so traumatizing.

[Kale Lowry]

Her name was Nancy, and we're friends on Facebook. And she called me and was like. She was like, your mom used to leave you in the crib, go to the bar, and I used to climb through your window to get you because I was just crying in the crib. You know what I mean? Like, literally and figuratively. It was like the crib, but also like the crib you get was rough. So she's telling me this and I was like, oh, I love that for me. So I wish she didn't do that. I'm thankful for Nancy.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

And you wish your mom fudgy horn didn't leave you in the crib. Physically and metaphor,

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Roger.

[Kale Lowry]

Thanks, Susie. What are. What are you wishing that was different about your childhood?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I wish I had more diversity and representation.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You can't. Like, you can't compare, especially. Yeah, what the hell? Like, what are you gonna do?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I was fed, dude.

[Grainger Advertiser]

Like, sorry.

[Kale Lowry]

I was fed. Yeah, my. My bad.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You know what? You should watch this episode on patreon at like 8 o' clock with a glass of wine. Yeah, for sure. Be on the same vibes as us.

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

Okay.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

For sure.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Not that we're drunk or on edibles. We're just deliriously tired.

[Kale Lowry]

It's been a long, long week.

[Lowe's Advertiser]

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[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Take four minutes and tell your partner your life story in as much detail. We don't have to.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No, we don't have to do that. No, we can skip that. How about we do it in a minute?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No, listen to the last 18.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Eight years of coffee convos, coffee combos. Read pride over pity. Read. We can skip all the things. Yeah.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay. If you could. Okay. If you could wake up tomorrow having gained any one quality or ability, what would it be?

[Kale Lowry]

I wish I was funny.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Okay, let's be real.

[Kale Lowry]

I wish I was. You are.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

No, like, real funny.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

You are real funny.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, like witty funny.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

You are witty.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, when I think of funny, I think of, like, the one liners. Like the one.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

[Kale Lowry]

Liners that are so like Lindsay Lux. Like the one liners that, like, Lindsay will just run her mouth and be so.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Lindsay is very funny.

[Kale Lowry]

I want to be that kind of funny.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

You are funny.

[Kale Lowry]

Not like her, though.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

What do you want to be?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

My quality would be maybe a little smarter from like a.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

A book.

[Kale Lowry]

Academically.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Academically smarter.

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Fair.

[Kale Lowry]

Me too.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Like, I wish I could consume and remember.

[Kale Lowry]

Retain.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, love. That's it.

[Kale Lowry]

Also same.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

If a crystal ball could tell you the truth about yourself, your life, the future, or anything else, what would you want to know?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I don't know if I want to know anything because that's really heavy to like, think of.

[Kale Lowry]

What were. What were the things that it was

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

like, you can ask the future about yourself or anything at all.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

What would I ask? I. I Wouldn't ask, like, when I die, because then I wouldn't. I don't want to know when I die. I don't want to ask how many kids I have, because what if they say zero and then I already expect to have some and then it's like, oh, do my kids die? Oh, I know what I would ask. I would ask what I'm supposed to do in life so that I start it now.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I like that.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I would ask it if

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

where Susie Q is.

[Kale Lowry]

I know, I'm funny.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

It's the trauma.

[Kale Lowry]

I really don't know. I feel like maybe, like, will my life ever calm down?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

You have seven kids.

[Kale Lowry]

I know, but like, and that is chaotic in and of itself. But I just wonder, like, will the like the drama aspect ever calm down? You know what I mean?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah. Because the chaos you're talking about isn't your day to day chaos of like your schedule and your kids. Like, when you talk about chaos, you mean like the dress that you can't control, like, the drama and like the outside, like, anxiety of not knowing what shoe is gonna drop or, like, what is gonna have something stupid to say? Exactly.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, exactly. And a lot people are like, well, Kale creates the own, like the chaos in her own life. And I, while I think part of that is true, and I do create, like from the decisions that I make, I create some amount of chaos. But I do think that at least 50 comes from people that I cannot control what they say or what they do or what they post. And so I just wonder if any of that will calm down at all.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Is there something that you dreamed of doing for a long time?

[Kale Lowry]

I want to be an attorney. I want to be a lawyer.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay, and why haven't you done it?

[Kale Lowry]

Because when I was going to take the LSATs during COVID I ended up having Creed and then it was homeschooling and then I pushed it off. I had Rio, and then I pushed it off again and I had the twins. So maybe when they go to kindergarten,

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I'd like to start a non profit.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, cute.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

And why haven't you? That was the question.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I think I have enough on my plate right now.

[Kale Lowry]

You don't say.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I think I'll eventually start one. Maybe we'll start one together.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I would love that.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Honestly, I've always had this idea of creating a non profit that is like a summer camp for specifically like underprivileged and foster kids that they get. They come the first. When they come, they stay intense. And then throughout the summer they build where they're gonna live. So they build like a cabin. So it teaches them how to like serve like skills and stuff too so they can learn maybe aspects of what they would want to do.

[Kale Lowry]

I really cool like like carpentry and stuff like that.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Like electric and like stuff like. Yeah. So you essentially are building out like little cabins that like you would live

[Kale Lowry]

in habitats for humanity sort of.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

But like it would be more of like, like enjoy. Like there would be more summer camp. Summer camp vibes too. Like to it as well. Like teaching like I don't know skills. Yeah. And no. And like bonding with other kids and xyz.

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

That's really cute. I like that.

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[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What is the greatest accomplishment of your life?

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know that I've made my

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

greatest accomplishment yet, but what's like so far?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I would say allowing myself to become a better person to deserve the life that I have now.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

That's deep.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I mean, I mean it took a lot of work to like grow so like I feel worthy of what I have and like I didn't always deserve to have the life I have. I don't think.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Why?

[Kale Lowry]

Why?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Just like, I don't think like, not that I was a bad person, but like, I like, I don't think that my intentions were like. I don't know, I was just a little bit. I don't want to say too much, but trying to navigate where I belonged. I think that I wasn't always being true to myself and then like being a good partner, being a good, good friend. I think I've like grown a lot in that area.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. Fair. I mean, I still think like when we fell out, like we were at our worst and I still feel like you deserved the world then too.

[UnitedHealth Group Narrator]

Yeah.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I don't know if I. Yeah. I mean, thanks, but I don't know.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You're always going to be our harshest critic. True. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't have an answer. I really don't.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Definitely not. The rebrand.

[Kale Lowry]

The rebrand was nuts.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay. What do you value most in a friendship?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Ooh, presence and intention.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. These are hard. Yeah, like I didn't get the value most in a friendship.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I think you value loyalty the most in friendships.

[Kale Lowry]

That's what for that was like.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Because that's what bring to mind that would be the pious thing that would break your friendship is like that lack of loyalty and trust. Trust.

[Kale Lowry]

It's just sort of nuanced and layered and like sort of complicated because that is only one the loyalty with like media and social media.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, but that's in that relevant to your life.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, but I don't necessarily like some friends that I Have. Are not social media.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

But loyalty is. It doesn't just have to do with, like, social media. It has to do with, like, knowing that someone's gonna have your back no

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

matter what, in a room you're not in.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Like.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I know, but when I think of it, when she says that, I think of the loyalty in terms of, like, not running to the Internet. That's what I think of as loyalty.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay. Like, okay, I know that you always. You used to say that you don't have a village. You've stopped that.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I don't. I definitely feel like I have.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah, you do. But so then do you think that, like, showing up, like, being there without asking? Because, like, I feel like you have a hard time. I. Like, you have a hard time asking for help.

[Kale Lowry]

Fair. So, yeah. Showing up, anticipating needs.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Love it.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Sexy.

[Kale Lowry]

Sexy.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What is your most treasured memory?

[Kale Lowry]

My mom cooked for me in ninth grade. I just talked about it, like, a week ago.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

That's your most treasured memory with your mom?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, it's the only time that she ever cooked for me in ninth grade.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Like, why? Like, what?

[Kale Lowry]

Because my boyfriend came over, so I asked her to make food, and she was, like, good.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

She wasn't, like, super.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't really remember. Also, she didn't yell at me when her dog ate weed once.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I'm sorry, what?

[Kale Lowry]

And it had to get its stomach.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What the.

[Kale Lowry]

I think that they're yell at me, though.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

There's a lot to uncover here that when you think of your most treasured memory.

[Kale Lowry]

With my mom.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Did it say with your mom?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, no, I was saying with my mom.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I know.

[Kale Lowry]

The most treasured memory.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, but it didn't say with your mom. Like. But, like, your automatic mind went to your mom, which is wild.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Well, she's got a deep.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Oh, I know, but, like.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I know, I know. That's interesting.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I mean. Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Crazy.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You should talk to your therapist about that one.

[Kale Lowry]

One time on the podcast, they asked me what my deepest treasured. My deep treasured memory was, and it was. Yeah, I'll tell Lisa. I have. I have therapy on Monday, so she should just listen.

[GoFundMe User]

Wow.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No, she said she definitely should listen to this one. And Poppy. God, folks,

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I'm gonna give two treasured memories because my. This is gonna sound really morbid, but my dad, like, the surrounding days before my dad died, I think are, like. Because my whole family was there. I really value that time. And then when Lee and I got engaged, it was also.

[Kale Lowry]

I. We weren't friends when y' all got Engaged. So can you tell me the story?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, it's. I'll tell it another time.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, is it long?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

A little bit.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What is your most terrible memory?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Literally anything about Kale's mom.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Being told anything about Kale's mom.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Any of it.

[Kale Lowry]

Susie, this one's for you.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Do you know I can't eat Ferrero Rocher anymore?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, one time my mom starved me.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Did you take a picture?

[Kale Lowry]

No, my flashlight was on. On accident. Left me home for several days by myself. And there was no food in the house. So I'm digging through the cabinets and you know those, like, gift baskets that have, like, cellophane wrap on them that you give around like Christmas or whatever? My mom had one that was like, years and years old. Like, I couldn't tell you how many years old it was. I don't even know why she still had it. And so I ate the Ferrero Rocher out of that basket that was years and years old. They're little hazelnut chocolates. And I was so tormented inside because then I had to hide the basket that I, like, like, opened. And I didn't know why. It was, like, being saved. So I thought my mom was, like, attached to this basket. And so finally I told her about it, and she wasn't mad, but I was so concerned that she was gonna be upset that I ate the chocolate out of the 12 year old chocolate basket. I don't know. Eight, nine. It was rough. That was the same apartment I lived in. When I walked my uncle's house, which I'm gonna see that uncle next week, which will be nice.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I think you should do a group trip for EMDR therapy.

[Kale Lowry]

Everybody turned out okay.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Did we?

[Kale Lowry]

I wonder where Susie was that those days.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Oh, she probably don't know. She probably don't remember.

[Kale Lowry]

She was blacked out.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay. She don't know. If you knew that in one year you would die suddenly, would you change anything about the way you are now living?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I would. If I knew I was gonna die in a year, I would get off of all social media and I would just be present in every single thing.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Why?

[Kale Lowry]

I wouldn't want my kids to remember and be present and not worried about anything. Anything else.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I mean, I would quit working, but, like, that's not realistic for someone to do. But I think otherwise. I'm living a life that I'd be happy to live, like the last year of my life. But, like, not working would give me more time to just be more, like a little more present.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah, that's really Nice.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I wouldn't get off social media, though. I'd be like, day 99.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Becky. Ms. Becky said she was gonna pretend suicide on live.

[Kale Lowry]

So what? I forgot about that. You said that girl.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You weren't here.

[Kale Lowry]

What

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

podcast.

[Kale Lowry]

She said this?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

When I asked you guys, like, if you had to fake your death, how would you do it? And she said she would fake her. A drowning, like a suicide. I don't know why online. You were here.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I wasn't.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What did I say? That was Patricia.

[Kale Lowry]

What did I say?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Probably not even disappear. Like, flat out disappear.

[Kale Lowry]

No trace. Disappeared without. What's that show on ID channel? I think it's Disappeared without a Trace. Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah, that would be me.

[Kale Lowry]

The Curious Case of Kale Lowry.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

She said I would disappear without a trace. What's the name of that show?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I think Disappears without a Trace.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I'm really tired because, like, I don't think anybody listening to this is gonna think it's okay. As funny as we do. We're so delirious.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I think they will. I think they'll enjoy this episode.

[Kale Lowry]

This might be Patreon exclusive.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No, they. They enjoyed the last time we did this.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

They sure did. I think it took me nine hours to edit that episode.

[Kale Lowry]

Fair. Over time,

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[Kale Lowry]

I hit 200 on the scratcher.

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Did the scratcher come to your house and hand you a check?

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No.

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[Kale Lowry]

Okay, that's fair.

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[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

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[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What does friendship mean to you?

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, why do you have to ask these deep questions? I don't want to talk about my feelings.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

We shouldn't have done this.

[Kale Lowry]

What does friendship mean to you?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Friendship for me means having a community to allow yourself to take risks in life and enjoy life to the fullest because you have a support system to fall back on.

[Kale Lowry]

My friends are my family because I don't have one. So.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Is there snacks? Because my stomach's growling. Okay.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

With snacks. Snacks.

[Kale Lowry]

Get snacks.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay. Get snacks. Okay. What roles do you love and affection play in your life?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

A lot. I need a lot of love and Validation to make me feel like, secure like that. If I don't have flea, like, walks into the room and doesn't acknowledge me in like a physical way, I'm like, same. So love and affection, like, is why I am who I am and that's what, like, fuels me as a person. So without that, I don't know what I would be.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

We're parents. Big physical touch people.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No.

[Kale Lowry]

No.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Well, then there you go.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Well, now that you brought that.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Guys,

[Kale Lowry]

did you just fart?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah, it came out with the plus laugh. Been there, babe. Been there.

[Kale Lowry]

I hope it comes through on the mic. It did.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

My farts don't smell though. Normally.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Normally.

[Kale Lowry]

What about you?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

What? Oh, you're. You said already.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Friends are your family.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Oh, no, wait, that was the last part. What does love and affection mean to you? I don't know.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah. What roles does love and affection play in your life?

[Kale Lowry]

No, no, I don't.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

You do you like to be loved?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No, it's not like how you like to be loved. It's like, how does it play a role in your life? Like, how does that affect your day to day? Like, how does it fulfill a need? How do you show a lot of

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

love and affection to your kids and they show you a lot of love and affection?

[Kale Lowry]

I'm just like an acts of service person. So I don't know.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Alternate sharing something you consider a positive characteristic of your partner. Share a total of five items.

[Kale Lowry]

So I'm naming things that I love about her.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

He loves this game.

[Kale Lowry]

You're loyal. You're funny. I love having a podcast with you

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

because you're loyal and funny.

[Kale Lowry]

Because you're loyal and funny. You show up for everyone in your life, not just me.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Jealousy.

[Kale Lowry]

And you love my kids.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I do love your kids. You're funny. You are funny.

[Kale Lowry]

Ish.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

You are very hard working. You are a good mother. You're a good friend. Sometimes, most of the time we let the other times go. And you have come a really long way from, like, what life dealt you. So, like, you should be proud of that.

[Kale Lowry]

Thank you.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Resilience.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Resilience.

[Kale Lowry]

Hell yeah, brother.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

And she's gonna give me the Stanley.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

How close and warm is your family? Do you fear your childhood was happier than most other people?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, for sure.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

That's Heels was super.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

That was malicious.

[Kale Lowry]

That was.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I was not reading. Yeah, I did not write these.

[Kale Lowry]

Short answer is yeah, I don't think

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

you needed to answer them yet. Yeah, I'd say my childhood is pretty good.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, what do you think is the Most traumatic thing in your childhood, like, from your childhood. Not, like, your worst memory ever. But, like, what is traumatic? What was traumatic, if anything?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I mean, I had a pretty traumatic childhood, but I think overall, like, from a. Like, I was fed. I was, like, set up for success. I was given. Given resources and given access to resources and things of those sorts. But, like, I think we're all. Most of us have some sort of experience from being raised by boomers that, like, will always kind of be traumatizing. Right. The lack of emotional intelligence, a lack of, like, physical, like, love and things of those sorts.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

So how close and warm is your family?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I feel like we're pretty close and warm.

[Kale Lowry]

I love all your siblings. Close and warm.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, I love my. Yeah, I feel like.

[Kale Lowry]

And I love your mom also.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, she's great.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Make three true we statements each. For instance, we are both in this room feeling. Well, we don't need to talk about our feelings. Obviously, we're already doing too much of that. So make three true we statements about you guys collectively.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

We both are gay.

[Kale Lowry]

We're both gay.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

We both wear boys clothes. We both love her kids.

[Kale Lowry]

What's funny is everything you wear, I'm like, I would wear that. Everything.

[GoFundMe User]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, I. I have to do my own.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah,

[Kale Lowry]

we wear the same clothes.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No,

[Kale Lowry]

we both have cats.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know what you want me to say here.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You just keep.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah.

[Meltdown Oven Advertiser]

The knife.

[Kale Lowry]

Becky. She goes.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

And I wasn't. We both love nature. We love. Both love balls. Oh, pools.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Pools.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

We like pools.

[Kale Lowry]

Golf balls. I don't know what y' all want from me.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

We both like to podcast.

[Kale Lowry]

We both love to podcast. We both love to laugh. We both.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

We do love to laugh.

[Kale Lowry]

And we both love lesbian.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

All right, complete this sentence. I wish I had someone with. Literally. She did not let me get the question.

[Kale Lowry]

And she got me.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

What was it?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Complete the sentence. I wish I had someone with whom

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

I could share a last name.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Kale Lowry]

Who has the same last name as me besides my children?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Nobody.

[Kale Lowry]

Nobody.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I wish I had someone I could share a deeper friendship.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

What?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What? Oh, you mean, like. Okay, so you were saying earlier on an episode that you feel like I would choose you. Oh, like a lot of friends, I

[Kale Lowry]

would choose you one.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

One person. All right.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

You haven't answered my calls in two weeks.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, now that I know that how you feel, I will chew out.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

It's not personal, though. If you were going to become a close friend with your partner, please share what would be important for them to know

[Kale Lowry]

you. Like for me to answer your FaceTime calls.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay. I receive love through acts of service. That's what I would say.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You do what?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I don't receive love through acts of service.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I was asking you the question what

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I receive love through. She already answered it. I need to tell her what makes me feel more.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Oh, answering.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, answering my physician forever.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Like, across the board. You would say that or just with her?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Just with her.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

And what about for, like, anybody? If you were trying to become close friends with someone, what would be, like,

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

important for you to be invited to things?

[Kale Lowry]

She has fomo.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

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[Kale Lowry]

Okay.

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[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Share with your partner an embarrassing moment in your life.

[Kale Lowry]

No, no, no, we're not doing this one. Pat us, babe. No, no.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

The amount.

[Kale Lowry]

Pass. Literally no.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

The amount of embarrassing stories you have told on this podcast about her. No, like, about your life.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, thank God. I thought she was gonna have to say an embarrassing thing about me, and I'm not prepared.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

No, she didn't listen to the question.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, Lindsay makes up and people believe it.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What?

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

Lindsay.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Oh, yeah, she do. Be she to play like that.

[Kale Lowry]

And I'm like, that is not true. Okay, embarrassing thing that you've done.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

That you've done. You say you've been embarrassed.

[Kale Lowry]

You go first. I want to know what level of embarrassing we're talking about.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

One time. Ugh, this makes me so sick to even think about. This is one of the worst times of my life. One time, this. This person called my job looking for free T shirts, and she told me she had cancer, and I forgot to mute the phone, and I said, hey, this lady's saying she has cancer and trying to use her cancer to get free T shirts. And she heard me, and I am so sorry if you're listening to this. And it was you. I hope you're still alive. It makes me fucking sick to think

[Kale Lowry]

about the most horrible thing I've ever heard. You did that.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I was so hot. I've never forgot to mute a phone ever since. Dude. Oh, my God, I'm hot.

[Kale Lowry]

She said, if you're listening to this,

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

if you're still alive, I am so sorry.

[Shopify User / Business Owner]

That was.

[Meltdown Oven Advertiser]

That was.

[Kale Lowry]

How many jobs have you had?

[Lowe's Advertiser]

A lot.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I did custom apparel.

[Kale Lowry]

When was that?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I was 23.

[Kale Lowry]

And you still remember it?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Oh, my God. It was traumatized. It was so embarrassing. I did. And she said, like. And she said something. She's like, never mind. Like, thank you. Anyway, and then hung up. And I was like, oh, my God.

[Kale Lowry]

When was the realization that you forgot to mute.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No, she, like, acknowledged that I didn't mute it. Like, she said, like, I forget what? Like, oh, it makes me sick. Okay, your turn.

[Kale Lowry]

I got my period in the seventh grade in front of everyone.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

That does not compare to the story.

[Kale Lowry]

I can't think off the top. There's so. I'm so embarrassed by my own self. Okay.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

When did you last cry in front of another person or by yourself?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Today?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I probably.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, probably yesterday.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yesterday. I think I cried four times. So. Okay.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

The day before.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

Why were you.

[Kale Lowry]

Why were you crying?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

My cat was like, stop.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm sorry.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I think you have amnesia.

[Kale Lowry]

Not. Okay.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You know, like, 50 first dates. Like. Like, is there any.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, when I'm having a guest on. It's like, is there anything. You Is off limits.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

She's like.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

She's like, please stop my cat. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm really not calculating.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Oh, I. Yeah. Very aware. Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I'm right here.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I am in this room.

[Kale Lowry]

So sorry.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

What, if anything, is too serious to be joked about?

[Kale Lowry]

Dad's dying, cat's going missing.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Too bad. We laugh about all those things.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, we are going straight to hell first class.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I think maybe, like, other people's losses and other people's, like, pain is probably too far. But I was thinking about it today or yesterday, like, I made, like, a weird cat joke to Leah, and making morbid dead dad jokes, like, is what got me through my dad dying. And, like, making cat jokes has also helped me get through it. So, like, I don't know if there is off limits of joking.

[Podcast Host / Announcer]

No.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

But I think when you just accept it.

[Kale Lowry]

Jokes about yourself. Self.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Your situation, yourself. But, like, if someone I didn't know was making jokes about, like, my mom, I would be like, oh, we're gonna fight.

[Meltdown Oven Advertiser]

That's what I mean.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, like. Like, other people's pain. Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, y' all make fun of my mom is funny to me.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

But, like, a random person on the street is gonna catch these McDonald's.

[Kale Lowry]

This guy was, like, talking to my mom. He went to my high school, and I jumped over the counter and tried to fight him. So it was like, I can talk about her, but you can't.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

If you were to die this evening with no opportunity to communicate with anyone, what would you most regret? Not on.

[Kale Lowry]

And I love them, I think, but

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

do you have anybody in your life that you love?

[Kale Lowry]

There's a couple people I would like to apologize to. And then also just certain people telling them I love them because I don't answer FaceTime calls, and I don't always intentionally reach out. Not. It's not unintentionally either.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

I just, like, don't.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

You're not in a space of your life where you're intentionally like working on your friendships.

[Kale Lowry]

So I think like apologizing to some people and then also I love you.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I don't think I have anything I would tell anyone. I don't have any people I would want to apologize to. The people I love know that I love them. I would hope at least.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

And why haven't you told them already?

[Kale Lowry]

Me, I don't really like to talk about my feelings.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No. Really,

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

you.

[Kale Lowry]

You won't stop talking about her.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Let us talk.

[Meltdown Oven Advertiser]

Any.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I wear my heart on my sleeve.

[Kale Lowry]

Good for you.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I love that your house, containing everything you own catches fire. After saving your loved ones and pets, you have time to safely make a final dash to save any one item. What would it be?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

That's such a great question. That's such a stupid answer. You can get that replaced.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I don't hold on to anything. There's nothing of value in my house.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

House.

[Kale Lowry]

There's literally nothing that I have. I don't. I don't care about like, sentimental.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Your computer.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I want that to burn in the fire. My Social Security card or my passport because they're a pain in the ass to replace. Like, yeah, you can replace them, cool.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

But like, yeah, I've never had to

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

use my Social Security card in my entire life. So I'm trying to think if there's one thing that is like something of like tangible item that like can't be replaced. Right? Like all my photos can be replaced. Like I'm trying to think if there's anything from like of Leah's. Like a note she gave me when we first started dating that. But like, I don't know, like, what

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

is it like to deal with Baby back, sir? Yeah, like the Larry doll.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, but I could get that remade.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

What is, I think, impractical?

[Kale Lowry]

The passport.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Yeah, but mine's expiring soon anyway.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, you better get it renewed because you can't go to certain countries if it's expiring within six months.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No, it's not that far removed, I guess, like my wedding ring.

[Meltdown Oven Advertiser]

But that'll be on my finger.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I don't know. Moving on.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Of all the people in your family, whose death would you find the most disturbing and why?

[Kale Lowry]

My grandparents deaths were really hard for me.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I don't know if I could assert like that. My siblings maybe.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Right.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Because like I don't have any grandparents.

[Kale Lowry]

Right.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Like my mom would hurt, but I feel like my siblings probably would hurt more because they had more life's life to live.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I don't know. Share a Personal problem and ask your partner's advice on how they might handle it. Also ask your partner to reflect back to you how you see them to be feeling about the problem you have chosen.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

What was it? What was the beginning?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Share a personal problem and ask your partner's advice on how they might handle it.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Personal problem. My cat. How would you think? You probably wouldn't give a. You're going out.

[Kale Lowry]

Is that the problem? For real?

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

She's like, please don't make me answer this.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

I don't really know what other pro. The hospital bed, the hospital room that we're delivering in. The seat doesn't recline. So should I get a cock?

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, really? There's no like couch situation?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

No, I saw it yesterday.

[Kale Lowry]

Could you just like lay in the bed with Leah?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

That's what I said. She said, no, no, it's too small.

[Kale Lowry]

That is fair. She's gonna want her own space after that. Yeah, I'd get like a little blow up thing and. Or bring a blow up mattress.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Okay.

[Kale Lowry]

My problem is the private and public lives that I live. Like how do I balance.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Suck it up, buttercup.

[Kale Lowry]

In what way?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

You just gotta accept it. Make your choice and accept it. If you want to choose to live private, live private. But you can't do that and have your m like income come based off not being private. It. It's just not possible and you just gotta accept it.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

If you want to create boundaries to it, there's a possibility. But the issue is, is that when you start becoming more secretive, more people are going to be more question, like questioning and more like invasive to your privacy. Opposed to when you're open about it, like not being like hiding something.

[Kale Lowry]

But do you feel that way? Because I feel like there's a. The same amount of curiosity and like in invasion of my privacy. No matter which way I do it, there's the same amount. So to your point, it's like I might as well just do whatever I'm gonna do because they're gonna be as invasive as they would be if I didn't share. So it's like, do you even think that is true for me?

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Well, like the thing for me, like, I know this is not relative at all. Like, but I think about when I worked in corporate America and people would ask me if I had a husband and I wouldn't correct them because like, it wasn't worth the conversation until I realized I was hiding the best part of my life.

[Kale Lowry]

Stop. I'll cry right now. Yeah, that is the sweetest thing I've ever heard.

[Meltdown Oven Advertiser]

But that's.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

It's like you're hiding for what? I think that you just have to navigate how you get to that, that place and it's just going to take a little bit of time. I think you have a lot of clearing up to do about other things before you bring other situations like present which is fine, but like there's just a little bit of what if those

[Kale Lowry]

people don't want to get on board to clarify.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

But then that's there. Like you're not, you're not Claire. Like you're just giving people timeline and like you had a lot of hurt and pain around that and people will recognize that for what it is. And the people that don't fuck them. Like what fudgeing ever. But like give it a timeline of understanding why you are in the present place and then as that moves on, like move on with your fucking life. Like be happy. Fudge it sounds good.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Fuck it.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

Fuck it.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

Well, that was the last question.

[Kale Lowry]

Thank God. Thank Rihanna.

[Podcast Co-host / Interviewer]

I hope you all enjoyed this episode of Karma and Chaos and email us more in depth deep questions for Kale to answer about her feelings.

[Kale Lowry]

Please don't ever do that again. Anyways, submit all of your is it karma or is it chaos Stories to our email. You can also find the email in the description of this episode. You can find it on our Instagram, our socials and info at Karma Chaos Podcast. Com.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

If my cat is still missing by the time this podcast comes out, I'm putting together a search party.

[Kale Lowry]

So okay, everyone's join Becky for that. But we're 500.

[Leah (Kale's Partner)]

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[Kale Lowry]

I love that. Well, where can people find you on socials hater25. And on that note, go listen to for the haters on Spotify, Apple or wherever your podcast and we'll see you next week. See you.

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[Kale Lowry]

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