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Hi, honey bunny cutie.
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Hi, honey bunny cuties.
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Hi, everyone.
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Welcome to Karma and Chaos with Becky and Kale. Kale and Becky.
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Yay. Episode number two from New York.
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Okay. Last week we talked about the best things. It was so funny.
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We had such a good time.
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It was a great time. So now we're gonna. We have to bring that back. We have to have the same energy.
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Oh, I thought you were gonna say we need to start that talking about the worst things. Oh, my God. I didn't say this in the last episode. I woke up this morning, I'm missing a piece of my eyebrow.
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Did you shave it off?
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Girl, I haven't touched my. I don't shave my eyebrows. I haven't touched them. You see it?
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No.
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Look it right here. I'm missing a whole patch.
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Did you get drunk and rub it off?
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No. Well, Leah said that she goes, well, maybe you, like, dug it into a pillow. I said, I sleep on my back.
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Which you're psychotic for that. That's, like, not normal.
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So she said that it could happen. Like, I could have just, like, brushed it and it. But like, that's so weird.
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Anyway, just wax it off. It'll be fine. Start it over.
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That just triggered that memory of what we were talking about.
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We had. We had years ago. Oh, God. What year was it?
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That was years ago.
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We went. We were at Becky's house, a different house than she lives in now. And there was a group of us there, and there was some drinking involved. I don't even know that I was drinking, but some other people were. And friend at the time. Was she drunk? Yes, she was drunk. She was sitting on the toilet, potentially going to the bathroom. Maybe not. We don't know. And she fell forward into the bathtub.
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Yeah.
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And took off her eyebrow. Like, not just like the drawings of the eyebrow, but it was like all the hairs and everything. But I don't remember even hearing anything. So that was what was.
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Yeah.
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And then all of a sudden, you get up to, like, go check on her because she's been, you know, gone for a long time.
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Yeah.
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Was she in the tub when you found her?
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I don't remember. You have such a good memory. It's so impressive to me.
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Okay, we'll go with that.
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Yeah.
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I was just thinking of her traumatic event of losing an eyebrow.
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So I also have really good news.
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What's your good news?
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As of this month, I am officially credit card debt free.
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Period. So live studio audience. That's so exciting.
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It's so exciting.
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So do you have any tips for anyone?
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I started this past, like, last year. This was my goal for the year. I was hoping to do it by the new year. It took me two more months, which is totally fine. Things don't always go to plan. But last year I said, becky, I need you to work your ass off and get these credit cards paid off. Because you're about to have a kid. You need to be more financially responsible. And, yeah, it's my bad decisions in my 20s have been following me throughout the years, and I'm on my road to redemption.
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How do you know how much more you paid in interest than what was spent?
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I don't even want to know that question.
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Okay, got it.
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Answer to that question. Yeah. Because I would. I was like the type of person that was just in the cycle of, you know, take, like, putting my balance on other cards and paying interest fee for switching it to balance to get zero interest, but then not paying it off within that time. And it was just a really bad cycle of doing that.
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Well, I'm glad that you're out of it.
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Thank you. If I talked to my sister about it, who is my financial advisor, and she said that if I snowball my payments, meaning that like the payments I was just paying for all my credit cards, I put them into the next thing that I have because I still have debt. Like a bunch of debt, just not credit card debt. Yeah. So like I have a couple loans. I, I borrowed money from my mom, my car, student loans. She said if I snowball at all, I will be officially debt free by February of next year.
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Wait, what does that mean though?
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Meaning that every like once I pay something off, like I have a thousand dollars a month that I was paying towards my credit cards. So instead of that and spending it or saving it, I put it towards my next like, loan. Like, so it's like a snowball, like, so then when that loan is paid off, right. So I have a personal loan that I pay 600amonth for. And so when that's paid off, then I'll have sixteen hundred dollars. But if I take that and spend it towards the next loan, I'll be debt free.
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Okay. So February, when you say. Okay, so you were paying a thousand dollars a month on credit card debt? Yeah, 600amonth on credit card.
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No, I have a personal loan.
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A thousand dollars a month on credit card debt. 600amonth on personal.
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One of my personal loans.
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And then how much more money on other things?
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$2,000 a month.
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So that's like multiple mortgages.
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Yeah.
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Worth of money towards debt.
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Yeah. I will say that.
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I'm not judging, I'm just so curious about it.
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I will say that when Leah and I moved into our house, you guys renovated. We renovated it. We didn't take out any. We didn't take out a mortgage loan because the house was paid off. And so we took out, I took out personal loans to rent it, like do the, you know, $200,000 of renovations that to our house. Right. So this, a lot of it is from that. So half of it. I consider half of it, like mortgage payment.
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Okay. Yeah. Could you not have done like a home equity loan?
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The house is in Leah's dad's name.
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So he would have had to do it. Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's really exciting. And so now you're going to take that money because then you still are saving $1,000 a month though. Really? Because. Or you're keeping $1,000 of it in your pocket. Because that same thousand is now going to cover something different.
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It's still just something else. I'm still just living at the same level.
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Oh, okay, so you're going to still pay those things and then put the $1,000 a month that you already. Okay. Not in place of something. Okay, that makes sense. Now. I'm tracking, I'm tracking. I. Last year or like 18 months ago, I started paying extra towards my mortgage. Not to sound out of touch, because that's not the. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad. This is not to be out of touch. But I had the extra funds. I've been putting that towards the principal of my house to pay it down faster. And I, for 18 months, cut down like years.
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That's huge.
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And I was like, oh, do I really want to build a new house? Like, do I need to build? Like, what am I thinking when I could literally have this house paid off in like 10 years?
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I never know the day of the week what you're doing. Like every, every episode is different if you're building the house or not.
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I don't know. Because I think about it, I'm like, should I get an apartment in New York because I'm here every month. And then I'm like, do I really need. Because I really do put most of my money into my business for sure. For me it's like, do I need another house? Like, do I need to build a house? Do, do I want a house there? You know what I mean? So it's. Yeah, I just. We'll figure it out.
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We will figure it out.
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We're doing the plans no matter what. So in the event that I decide they're already ready to rock and roll.
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Nice. I'm in the mind. Like, I, I don't know if I've talked about it, about wanting to build a apartment above my garage. I think I'm now gonna wait.
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Why?
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Because like, I'm working so hard to pay off my debt. And then what? I'm gonna do another forty thousand dollar project that just adds back to it.
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Once you pay everything off, putting an apartment up there makes sense.
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Oh yeah. So next year I'll be able to pay that off within a couple months. Right. Like, so if I wait to next year to do it, I'll just have all my debt paid off and that will be my single next project.
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Because your credit will most likely also go up as well. So you might get. No, but I'm saying like, oh, okay, well, that's Nice. I used to have to use hobbies for everything. I have a better credit score now, but hobby's always had like over 800.
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Someone I dropped like a 300 points.
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In a credit score that I know that I dislike a lot.
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Yeah. This is a note for anyone listening. Do not ever co sign a car for someone that you are not married. Honestly, even if you are married to them. Don't. Don't do it.
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I had a great experience.
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Good for you.
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Because I always paid my car payment.
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I co signed for someone else and they didn't pay their car payment and that's what made my credit score drop.
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I didn't. We didn't. He didn't co sign for me. I just used his credit. Like he allowed me to use his credit.
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Yeah. He co signed your mortgage.
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No, no, no. It was in his name only. And then I paid the monthly payment.
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Yeah. So you have no involvement at all.
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So if I defaulted, I could just walk away?
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Yes. So it's not relative at all.
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Oh, whatever. I said my name now. I mean, I have a new vehicle, but I.
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And I. It's always so funny because I speak about our Facebook group every single episode. But.
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But we love you.
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Ye love you, Ryan Leonard. Yes.
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Yes.
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He commented something in our Facebook group and made a post saying that me talking about my financial journey has encouraged him to take more responsibility and ownership of his and he is starting his road to being debt free as well.
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So they have a cute little family. I think I saw that post.
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Yeah.
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Ryan. Shout out to Ryan. I want we love Ryan stickers because I just think he's so great and he's in all the groups, he supports all the podcasts. Shout out to Ryan. And I think I might have seen that one and I hope, I hope that it inspires someone to care. Yeah.
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If people want to throw hate, it shouldn't be the kangaroo they should be afraid of, you know, it should be me. The kangaroo.
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Karma, chaos. Oh my God. Can we get like an animation?
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Oh, we should wait text Amanda right now that we need a karma and chaos. But it's a kangaroo with me.
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Like a trademark on a kangaroo design?
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Yes.
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No, like, like we can use one. I just want like a hat. Like the Royal Farms hat, but with a kangaroo in it. Like right in the middle.
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There is one that's a brand. Yeah, it's. It's literally called kangaroo.
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I don't have one single original idea ever in my life. I don't have one single brain cell kangaroo. Do you want to partner with Us, I think.
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Isn't that like a 90s brand or am I losing my mind? Yeah. It's not.
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It is.
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Speak up. What?
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Our live studio audience is being verbally assaulted.
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Not kangaroo. Yeah. It's like this. The. Yeah. Look, text Kangle.
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We could do. We could do a kangaroo with a boxing glove.
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Yeah. Wait, but look at. You should. You should get this hat.
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What is that?
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It's a Kango hat.
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Looks like a beauty sponge.
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It's like one of those like, like what Melissa McCarthy wears in who In Bridesmaids.
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I never saw that. Silence is palpable. I don't know what that means, but I read it in a lot of books. Did I use it correctly? As we roll out of summer and going back into school season, it often brings a wave of busyness. I don't know about anyone else. I have four kids in grade school and three of those four are in sports. So we are busy all the time. There's no room for meal planning and if we are going to eat out, we don't have a lot of nutritious options. And that's why we decided to go with Tempo. And Tempo is actually the official partner of the 2025 CrossFit Games. They deliver fresh chef crafted dietitian approved meals right to your door. These are packed with protein and their delicious meals help keep you fueled and ready for your next workout. So if you are into that sort of thing, this is right up your alley. It's also great for busy people because for us we need quick and nutritious meals, especially the kids. Tempo serves up fast feel good single serving meals that are crafted to cook in just three minutes so you can eat without sacrificing the taste or the convenience which is really great for kids, especially when we're coming home, changing for sports and going right to sports. We're almost doing a two dinner situation every night because they got to eat at 4:30 but then they're starving by the time we get home at like 9. So if that sounds like your life, they do have new recipes each week that are made with real ingredients, they're nutrient rich and they make it easy to keep up with a healthy lifestyle. Their perfectly portioned lunches and dinners take the guesswork out of eating well and they're fully prepared. They can be heated in the microwave in just three minutes. And Tempo offers a variety of meals for different dietary and taste preferences. So you have protein packed cow, calorie conscious, carb conscious and fiber rich, which is for me, I need all of them. And for a limited time, Tempo is offering our listeners 60 off your first box. Go to tempomeals.com karma that's tempomeals.com karma for 60 off your first box. Tempomeals.com karma rules and restrictions may apply. I learned so much from reading.
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Speaking of reading, what book are you currently reading?
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His and hers by Alice Feeney. It's about to come to Netflix. I wanted to read it before it comes to Netflix. It's on Kindle Unlimited for those of you who wanted to know.
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What's it about?
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No clue. I haven't started it yet. I was just downloaded it on my Kindle.
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Okay, nice.
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So I haven't like read the first page yet, but the week that air.
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Comes out will be the Friday that I am doing the Onyx Storm book club. So if you are listening and you read Onyx Storm, you should join book club on Friday@patreon.com Kayllory and if you.
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Haven'T read Onyx Storm, you should still join because Becky is running it and so is your friend Spencer. Yeah, I that I'm sad that I'm gonna miss that one. But that is the night of Isaac's play that he's in.
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So you shouldn't tell people you're missing it because people might just be joining because they think you're on it. Even though I feel like I.
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People have asked how they can join that one specifically. And no other ones. Like I saw those comments. I saw them. Speaking of comments, actually Kayla, y', all, if y' all don't know Kayla, go follow corporate spirit guide. She was kind enough to send me some comments that I wanted to read to y'. All. And are you ready? Did you open yours?
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Locked and loaded.
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Locked and loaded. Okay, some of y' all are diabolical. The first one From Dogecoin says 9 kids, 8 baby daddies. Try not to laugh. You go. You go.
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Oh, that's it.
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That's the comment. That is the comment.
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That's not even factual. Becky should really consider a different hairstyle to protect those edges.
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What does that even mean? Why do you have to protect your edges? What's wrong with them?
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You know what? It's Chantelle Kathleen.
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Why did she say that to you?
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Get her.
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Elle Hicks told me. And I'm assuming that this is on a photo with you. Well, she can't get pregnant with her.
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We could try. Okay. Okay. So my 7 year old daughter has Becky's sweater as pants. Wait. My seven year old daughter has Becky's sweater as pants. How Is The Men's Forever 21 and Carter Girls? No hate. Just an observation.
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What?
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God forbid that there's multiple genders that wear hearts.
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You know, that's fast fashion for you. In response to me talking about my pants, someone said, taryn says you couldn't waterboard this info out of me. Do you think that it's a mental illness for me to talk about stuff like that? Like, most people would take that to the grave.
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That's not a mental illness.
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But do you have mental illnesses? Oh, I know I'm mentally ill, but.
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I'm saying, like, is there a correlation between the two?
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Yeah, because, like, I could not imagine an influencer that I thought, like. Right. Like, I follow influencers. What would I do if I heard Kylie, Alex, Earl, or, like, Kylie Jenner talking about their pants? Like, do you think they'd lose a following for that? People. They don't hate me for it, but they're also like, I wouldn't be able. You wouldn't be able to waterboard that information. Like, what would happen if someone who has such a pretty image.
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I don't think I've ever. My pants. I've on the floor once, but I've never. My pants. My pants. Yeah, I was doing a cleanse.
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I told you the whole story. I was on my way home from the gym, and I was so mad at my mom because she made me do this liquid cleanse. And I myself four minutes away from my house, just do a cleanse. Becky.
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What?
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Just say you have I've on the.
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Floor once, but I've never. My pants.
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People were confusing that something.
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I was gonna take the degree with me, but I didn't. So confusing me with what?
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With bone. Because she in my mud room when I first built my house, and we talked about it on the podcast, and people were like, didn't she herself on the mud room floor? Or something like that? And I was like, no, that was bone. Like, you're confusing the bees. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, for sure.
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Okay, what's your next one?
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All of my next ones are really nice for the most part.
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What's it like to be God's favorite?
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This one says, she's so gonna be a good mom.
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Oh, thanks.
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26 colors up.
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My next one says, kale needs to stop chewing and eating during podcasts.
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I mean, they're not totally wrong.
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I'm hungry.
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This one says, you convinced me to read 4th Wing and now I'm obsessed. Kale, you need to read fourth wing.
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This next one. Shut up. Angie says I believe that Kale doesn't have a conscience. She's proved that recently. She's proved that recently with her political rants.
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Well, Angie, what's it like to be God's favorite? We. I think that we needed. There's definitely some up comments about me. I think that they're just less 50.
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11 baby daddies and now she's gay.
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This one says Becky is married. Question mark.
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To me.
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To me.
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Work wife.
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I don't really think that I'd consider you my work wife.
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Really? We could be.
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Okay, go on.
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Who's your work wife then?
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I don't believe that I have one. I have a best friend at my.
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So that's your work wife then maybe not talking to you anymore. You can this podcast real hard then. This is actually a nice one. Okay. I have trust issues. I was slightly skeptical going into this, but I love this podcast. Thank you ladies.
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I love the live audience. This is so much fun.
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That one was really nice and we appreciate you.
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That was really nice. I feel like we have been getting people happier as time goes on. They don't really like the sad stuff some people do, but I feel like we have deep conversations. The one. Oh, I wanted to bring this up relative I've been doing. I've been getting emails from people for. For the haters. I talked to you about this and people have been submitting stories. It's been really beautiful to get back into this. For me it's like giving me my purpose back in life. But someone submitted their story and they sent it as a voice memo. Like it was a 10 minute long and I was listening to it and listening and you know, it. It's really. I'm gonna have her on. It's really sad. I'm not gonna go into detail but the end of her podcast of the end of her voice memo, she said I just want to thank you and specifically Kale because I have a two hour commute to treatment and I listen to her podcasts for.
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I'll cry right now.
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Like to. To take up time and. And she's like. And specifically for the karma and chaos. Me and my husband stop the episodes and have conversations around topics that you guys talk stuff.
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I love that. No, because truly that that is. It keeps us going.
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No, I know.
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I cried entirely too much this week. Like honestly this work trip has been nothing but non stop.
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Should I add it to my tracker?
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Oh God, I should track me.
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No, but it was beautiful cuz like sometimes I feel like we forget and what people like, what we are to other people, Right. Like, we're just humans, we're just in our own worlds. But for some other people's, like, where their distraction from what they have going on in life or were there encouragement to have harder conversations to think about things differently. Like how. Especially for me, right. How lucky am I to be in a situation that me being married to a woman isn't the. The reason that I'm here when it is? So, like, it could be that way. And how lucky am I to give people insight into what like, such a loving relationship is? And like, how lucky am I to give people who may see that in their life like a door to what their future could be? Right. Like, so I. And I'm reminded a lot when I speak to people in our inside, like the karma and chaos community that it's two things. One, like, I'm opening a door for some people that might have never wanted to open that or not, like, accept my kind of people into their life. But with here, like, I'm just being accepted regardless of that by. And I was worried about, you know. You mean like me being gay? Me being right. Like, I'm a pretty progressive person. Like, I. I speak highly of just, you know, people in marginalized communities that should have voices that don't. And a lot of the time when you are on that side of the world, it's hard to have a voice because that's all people see. Like, they don't see you as a human, they just see you as a person. Prop. Right. Like, you're just. Oh, you're just another person spitting. Like, but like, we, all of us are a lot more common than people give out, right. Like, we have a lot more com. Like, common.
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A lot of us are more commonalities. Yeah.
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And so it's like this whole experience has just been really cool because I didn't know what kind of reception I was going to get to this listenership. And it's just been beautiful. Like, it's been just so even the people that have, like, you know, the people that say, oh, I'm not liking this. I'm not. And I just respond with like, yeah.
- [25:00]
A
Like, it's not for everyone.
- [25:01]
B
It's. That's fine. Like, that's cool. Like, I no hate to you to anyone. But then it's always met with like, pretty good conversations.
- [25:09]
A
I like the conversations that are surrounding it. But I just wish that for the people that are like, I don't like this and this isn't for me, it is fine. You're right. It is fine. But then leave the group. Yeah, because I. What is the purpose of still being there then?
- [25:23]
B
I mean, the group is different, right? Like don't. You don't have to leave the group if you don't like listening to us. You might like that, that community aspect that comes from the Facebook group. You don't have to listen to the podcast to be there because there is a lot of really great conversations that happen, people looking for advice on things. So. But if you don't like the actual podcast, you don't want to listen to it. Like, there's really no need to just say that constantly in there because it's like.
- [25:49]
A
Okay, but that's what I'm saying.
- [25:51]
B
Yeah, you don't have to leave. But like, like, I mean, you not liking the podcast is fine.
- [25:58]
A
Okay.
- [25:58]
B
I don't like cucumbers, you know, which.
- [26:00]
A
Is crazy because I love them.
- [26:03]
B
You all love cucumbers?
- [26:05]
A
Yeah.
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B
Interesting. I would lit. Never mind. I was gonna get R rated there for a second.
- [26:14]
A
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B
Anyhow, great rant, great comments. We should get some more of those because. Oh, there is.
- [28:01]
A
Oh, there is more. MrOOP02 says Royal Farms is unacceptable. Fair. Agreed.
- [28:08]
B
Unless they get a sponsor. Yeah.
- [28:09]
A
Period.
- [28:10]
B
Unless we do.
- [28:12]
A
No, let's just film the commercial. Let's film it.
- [28:15]
B
Okay.
- [28:15]
A
And just do it. Roll with it. Roll with the haters. You know what I mean?
- [28:19]
B
Yeah.
- [28:19]
A
And we'll just do it and we'll just pitch it to them and say, hey, this is what we love.
- [28:23]
B
Yeah, love to hear it. Okay.
- [28:26]
A
Oh my God. Wait, I have. Before you go any further, I have to tell you were talking about you didn't know how you were be. You would be received because you know, you are. You're gay and things like that. Right?
- [28:38]
B
I'm gay.
- [28:39]
A
That's what I heard. So I had a guest on Barely Famous this week and she didn't really know who I was, which is fine, but she was promoting a new thing and she said something where to the something to where? I responded, I have seven kids. And she goes, oh my gosh, you have seven kids? Like, like she couldn't believe it. And I said, yeah. And she said, what? Like what do you have? And I said, I have six boys and one girl. And she looked at me and she said she's gonna transition. Don't let her transition. Excuse me. Palpable silence is palpable.
- [29:30]
B
So much to say.
- [29:31]
A
Well, it just, it caught me off guard because like that's not the first thing that I would think. Just because she has older brothers, the.
- [29:41]
B
First thing I would think is like, oh, like, like she's gonna be tough.
- [29:45]
A
I mean, you know, like she any.
- [29:48]
B
Having seven older siblings in general or six oldest. I, you know.
- [29:55]
A
Is that a generational comment? Like I don't know what that was. It's sort of like when we talked about the whole Duck dynasty and this was years ago. I don't know if you remember the conversation.
- [30:05]
B
Yeah, we talked about it on this podcast.
- [30:07]
A
Oh, we did. But we also. But our you're original conversation with me about the Duck dynasty thing was years ago and then we talked about it on this podcast. I'm saying that to say at that time when we originally talked. Can't remember the podcast, you had said something to the effect of like, you don't expect him to have any other views because that's how he was raised. Like it was almost implicit, basically.
- [30:27]
B
Yeah.
- [30:27]
A
So what I'M asking you is like, what a comment? Like, do you think a comment like that would be like, basically implicit? Like, she just like, no, I think.
- [30:34]
B
A comment like that is pure ignorance. Because a comment like, like, it's not like, it's just alluding to the fact that there's like, nurturing factors that go into someone want, like being in a body that they shouldn't be. Like, it's, it's like someone saying, oh, I grew up as a tomboy and I didn't want to be a boy. It's not the same thing. It's not apples to apples. It's like, yeah, I grew up as a tomboy. You. I, I grew up in a. Like, I never wanted to be a boy. But that doesn't take away the fact that trans people exist and that people are living in a body that they don't belong in. Like, that. It's. Comments like that are just like, frustrating because it's not like, it's not just an external thing. Like, people literally look in the mirror and like, they see someone that they do not understand or know. Like, being trans is deeper than just fudgeing clothes and just like being around men and being around boys and like having siblings. It's just like, it, it's ignorant, you.
- [31:36]
A
Know, I was taken aback, truly.
- [31:40]
B
Luckily I wasn't there.
- [31:43]
A
Would you have said something?
- [31:44]
B
I probably would, yeah. I definitely would have because I, you know, and some people don't say it in a way that they mean it to be what they're saying. Right. And so you use those opportunities to speak from. I'm sure there's people listening that don't quite understand the existence of trans people and like, what it's like to be someone that you're not because. Because they've just never been in that position of though. Right. Like, it's. It similar to being gay. Right. Some people think that being gay is a choice, but if being gay was a choice, it's like, well, first of.
- [32:15]
A
All, being gay was a. I guess we would all be lesbians then. Because nobody actually wants to be with a man. Do you know what I mean? Like, nobody actually wants to do that.
- [32:25]
B
Yeah, I, I mean, I get it. I think that there's just more learning up. I'm a different person than I was 10 years ago. I think that there's more learning opportunities. And I, I have conversations with purpose with people that like, say things like that, because if you don't, then they're not going to question themselves.
- [32:44]
A
Well, so what's so And I didn't really make the connection until you just sat here and are having this conversation with me. Was like the very next guest that I talked to, we were talking about her experience in meeting someone where they are. Where you absolutely do not align with what they're saying or how they feel or how they perceive something and still just like, basically agreeing to disagree but having the conversations anyway and then being okay with whatever it ends up being. Does that make sense?
- [33:18]
B
Yeah, I mean, it. But it's situated. It's subjective to the conversation. And what is being talked about. Like, we could disagree about Trey Sletche's cake being the best kind of cake out there.
- [33:27]
A
It's the best one.
- [33:29]
B
I agree.
- [33:29]
A
Oh, thank God.
- [33:30]
B
Yeah. So us disagreeing on cake is fine. But like you, I can have an educated conversation with someone that might disagree that me being in love with a woman is my choice. But ultimately, if they don't respect me as a person and like the conversations like it, like, how do you have continue to have that conversation? So I think there. It's just different. Like, I can. I can dis. I disagree with my best friends on a lot of pot. Like, from a political perspective, I disagree. Agree with a lot of my friends. Not on the larger scale, but the actual policies and just like, intentions and things like that. Not on people. And we can disagree because it's not denying something exists or deny my existence. Things like Flat Earth, for example. I could disagree with someone that the flat because it doesn't really do any harm, I guess. But then there was a.
- [34:28]
A
A point in time where I questioned it.
- [34:30]
B
I. So, you know, I did watch A Flat Earth, a documentary once, and it was convincing.
- [34:35]
A
I mean, I went down that rabbit hole in 2017, and I was like, it's definitely flat. And then I was brought back to reality. You know what I mean?
- [34:45]
B
My friend is here. Alex's favorite question, like, dinner question is Dinner question. That's what you call it, right? Like a dinner question. Icebreaker question is if you could have the answer to one unsolved, is it mystery or, like, theory? What would it be?
- [35:04]
A
Did we land on the moon? But we talked about that.
- [35:07]
B
We did.
- [35:08]
A
But is this not in relation to that or that's like one conspiracy that we believe? And this is a different question.
- [35:15]
B
I feel like it's very strange that both of us are so heavily aligned and how. How passionate we are about not landing on the moon.
- [35:21]
A
100.
- [35:21]
B
Like, how do you just find two people and throw them in a room together and just assume.
- [35:24]
A
I don't think anyone in this room.
- [35:26]
B
Kale and I were. We talked about this. We were, like, laying in bed. Sounded weird, but we were. We were laying in bed, and, like, all of a sudden, I was like, oh, I know. I want to talk about, like, I have a kid spirit. And then we just, like, looked at each other. We're like the moon. And we said it at the same time.
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A
We knew.
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B
We knew.
- [35:44]
A
That's how we knew we were.
- [35:45]
B
We talked about that on this podcast, didn't we? Like, in detail. Yeah.
- [35:49]
A
Okay, wait. So one. One mystery that we don't have an answer to.
- [35:54]
B
Yeah.
- [35:55]
A
Is who killed JonBenet Ramsey? That is mine.
- [35:59]
B
If I say that I don't know what she's talking about, would that get me canceled?
- [36:02]
A
No, it wouldn't cancel you. I. There's several, actually. One is who killed Jomona Ramsey? And you could not convince me.
- [36:13]
B
Who is that?
- [36:14]
A
She's a little girl that was murdered in 1996. Something like that. Pageant queen parents really well to do. They found a ransom note. There's documentaries everywhere.
- [36:27]
B
The parents did it.
- [36:28]
A
No, absolutely. The mom was involved and the dad helped cover it up. You cannot convince me otherwise. And people that think that it was somebody outside of the home. You didn't get to that conclusion with logic in any way, shape or form. Like, you just didn't. And I don't understand how people got to the conclusion that it was anyone outside of the home. So whether it be the mom, the dad, the brother, somebody in that house did it. And you cannot convince me otherwise. The other question that I would want solved is who and how did Kaylee Anthony die?
- [36:59]
B
Who's that?
- [37:00]
A
Casey Anthony's daughter.
- [37:01]
B
Oh.
- [37:02]
A
Because she obviously did it. But how and when and where and why? Because I. You could not convince me. You cannot convince me that her parents knew or helped or covered it up. I genuinely believe that Casey Anthony's parents had nothing to do with it and were blindsided.
- [37:19]
B
I know nothing about anything you're talking about.
- [37:21]
A
You need to watch the ID Channel, I fear.
- [37:24]
B
What about Elvis?
- [37:25]
A
What about him?
- [37:26]
B
You wouldn't want to know how Elvis died.
- [37:28]
A
Didn't he overdose?
- [37:30]
B
Did he.
- [37:30]
A
There's controversy surrounding his death. Didn't even have a heart attack because he was.
- [37:34]
B
No, wait, there's. Wait, guys. I had. I had a. A pre recording for. For the haters. And her son has a diagnosis of something, and she was saying that El. That's what Elvis died of, that there was a specific illness that he didn't know he had.
- [37:52]
A
I thought he overdosed I don't know where I caught that from. This show is sponsored by Better Help. We turned to some funny places for support. I've done it. I'm sure you guys have done it. And actually, ironically enough, like, you guys have written into the podcast, which I love, but also you could write into us and also see a therapist to, like, maybe get solid advice. Like, Karma and Chaos is fun and funny, but we should probably also go to Better Help because they'll help you match with a therapist that you could use for real advice in order to get, I don't know, like relationship advice, depression, anxiety, other clinical issues. You want solid advice, not karma and chaos advice. We might not always have the right answers for you, so instead you can get guidance from a licensed therapist online with Better Help. Okay, so if you guys are like any, anything like me and Becky, we've been in therapy and we love it. Better Help offers quality therapists. They have a therapist match commitment. So Better Help does the initial matching work for you. And then if that doesn't work out, you can actually switch therapists at any time. Their flexibility is amazing. It's fully online and you can pause your subscription whenever you need to and switch therapists at any time for no extra cost. They have over 30,000 therapists and BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform, Having served over 5 million people globally, which is amazing. It's convenient. You just join a session with a click of a button, helping you fit therapy into your busy life. And like I said, you can switch therapists at any time. Because if you're anything like me, I had to go through a couple of them before I found my match. As the largest online therapy provider in the world, BetterHelp can provide access to mental health professionals with a diverse variety of expertise. Find the one with Better Help. Our listeners get 10 off their first month at betterhelp.com Karma that's better. H-E-L-P.com Karma.
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B
What other conspiracies are there that people would want to know?
- [39:53]
A
Let me think real quick. Conspiracies, like of people, like of mysteries, Aliens. Amelia Earhart. Oh, there's definitely aliens. If you think, if there's life on Earth, why wouldn't there be life somewhere?
- [40:05]
B
Do you think that they're in the sea or the sky?
- [40:07]
A
I don't think they're on planet Earth. You think they're on another planet? Like if. If Earth has forms of life, why. Why would we think that other don't?
- [40:17]
B
What is the Amelia Earnhardt Thing.
- [40:19]
A
Earhart.
- [40:24]
B
No, I. Is she a pilot?
- [40:25]
A
Yes.
- [40:26]
B
Okay.
- [40:26]
A
And they never found her plane.
- [40:30]
B
What's her name? I said Earnhardt.
- [40:34]
A
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
- [40:37]
B
Sometimes I feel so smart. Like, when I'm talking to people about things I really know stuff about.
- [40:43]
A
Relatable.
- [40:43]
B
I feel so smart. But then when I have to say anything outside of my knowledge, it's just really painful.
- [40:50]
A
Have you ever been, like, loud and wrong and so passionate?
- [40:54]
B
No, but I've watched you do that often. Like, what I just watched a clip of. I think it was like, you talking about Rhode Island. You're not knowing where Rhode island was.
- [41:04]
A
Loud and wrong and passionate. I was curious and trying to figure it out.
- [41:09]
B
That was just really fascinating to me. Just because, like, you're an east coast girly.
- [41:15]
A
I've never been to Rhode Island.
- [41:17]
B
Yeah, but you just know it's up there, you know?
- [41:20]
A
No, absolutely not.
- [41:23]
B
We should do. Are you smarter than a fifth grader? Sometimes.
- [41:27]
A
I'm down for that. I'm also down for us to do maps, and we can try to label every single state because I've never done it in my life and I never had to. I wouldn't be like, you know how certain classes growing up, you had to be able to name them all on a map? And none of my teachers ever had no. The capitals is crazy. That's like, why would you need to know the capital of Idaho? For what reason and purpose in the world when you literally have Google at your fingertips?
- [41:49]
B
What is the capital of Idaho?
- [41:51]
A
Boise. Oh, Period.
- [41:54]
B
Boise.
- [41:56]
A
So I'm just saying, like, that would be a fun time. That would be a good.
- [42:01]
B
From trans rights to Boise, Idaho, period.
- [42:04]
A
And I hope they have trans rights there in Boise, Idaho.
- [42:12]
B
That's why we get paid the big bucks. Transitions are flawless.
- [42:20]
A
Period.
- [42:20]
B
Flawless. You also never asked me what book I was reading.
- [42:24]
A
Oh, what book are you reading?
- [42:27]
B
So, coming off Onyx Storm, I had to fill a void, so I started Throne of Glass.
- [42:34]
A
Oh, okay.
- [42:35]
B
It's another series by Sarah J. Maas. This was the Acotar series.
- [42:39]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
- [42:40]
B
I'm two books in. I. So I've read two books.
- [42:44]
A
Okay.
- [42:45]
B
I read the first two. Both are good. No complaints so far. Reading the third. I'm reading Assassin's Blade third. There's controversy about when you're supposed to read that book. Too late. I can't read it first. I've already read the first two.
- [42:57]
A
Okay.
- [42:58]
B
The thing that I'm having a hard time getting into, just like such an old.
- [43:02]
A
Like, the thing that I'm having.
- [43:04]
B
I'M about to be a mom.
- [43:05]
A
Right? You're right. You're right.
- [43:08]
B
Is. It's written in third person.
- [43:11]
A
Oh, what did I say? We don't know.
- [43:24]
B
We never know. Oh, my God.
- [43:32]
A
People are right. I think I do have a fake job.
- [43:41]
B
I have little crying. Like, why was that the first thing that. And then I'm like, would I even be able to read a book writing Gaelic? Because what would it even look like?
- [44:19]
A
What would it look like?
- [44:23]
B
Anywho.
- [44:25]
A
Anywho.
- [44:26]
B
I haven't laughed like that in a really long time.
- [44:28]
A
When's the last time we recorded.
- [44:33]
B
The book is written in third person, not to be confused with Gaelic or second person. I don't even know what person. It's just.
- [44:42]
A
I don't.
- [44:44]
B
It's written in second, I think I don't even know it's not written in first.
- [44:50]
A
Like, tell me the. Like, say a sentence so I can just decide. Like, what.
- [44:53]
B
It's not written in first person. It's just written.
- [44:59]
A
Did everybody hit my game during the break? Wait.
- [45:06]
B
But so far, I. I don't mind the third person.
- [45:11]
A
The gic.
- [45:12]
B
The gic. And apparently it's going to ruin my life, so.
- [45:17]
A
Well, I'm excited for you. You should do a live on that as well. You should be the. The resident fantasy girly.
- [45:25]
B
I could.
- [45:26]
A
Yeah. I love that.
- [45:27]
B
Wasn't it for sure. Oh, I should do a. I should do a book club on Red Rising.
- [45:32]
A
Yes, you should. Because I've heard that that has like, a cult, like, following.
- [45:36]
B
I don't think that you heard that.
- [45:38]
A
No, I. I literally did.
- [45:39]
B
No, you didn't. I think I think of A.C.
- [45:44]
A
Maybe. Okay.
- [45:48]
B
But Red Rising is my favorite series I've read so far. So anyhow, next topic. Cut to the ad. Did you ever write journals when you were a kid?
- [46:02]
A
Yeah.
- [46:03]
B
Do you still have it?
- [46:03]
A
No, I don't have anything from my childhood. I don't even have pictures from my childhood.
- [46:08]
B
Well, that's sad.
- [46:10]
A
So. No. Did you. Did you find one?
- [46:11]
B
Yeah.
- [46:12]
A
What did it say?
- [46:13]
B
I didn't open it.
- [46:14]
A
Are you having an emotional reaction to it?
- [46:17]
B
No. It's probably just something stupid about boys. But I'm like, should I bring it here? And I could read it?
- [46:22]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [46:23]
B
I could read. Like, could I read it? Yeah.
- [46:25]
A
Out loud?
- [46:26]
B
Yeah. That scares me.
- [46:27]
A
Okay.
- [46:27]
B
I need to read it first and then I'll let you read it.
- [46:29]
A
Oh, but then that's not gonna have the same reaction. You can read it to me.
- [46:35]
B
It's. It's probably bad.
- [46:37]
A
Like, what kind of bad?
- [46:39]
B
Like talking about boys and people not liking me.
- [46:42]
A
Oh, that's actually really sad. I don't think that's bad.
- [46:46]
B
I'll bring it, and then we'll. Or I'll take a picture. That thing cannot leave my house in case it gets lost. You know.
- [46:54]
A
I would be mortified to read a journal today. I mean, I have treated. Actually, I. I don't want anyone to buy it because it's not. I haven't republished it yet so that you can still get copies of it, but Letters of love is. That's. Those are real journal entries in real life. Yeah, but don't buy it yet, because I just got my rights back to it, and so I just don't buy it yet. I'm going to republish. Relaunch.
- [47:21]
B
As you should.
- [47:22]
A
Yeah. Okay. Are we ready for. Is it karma or is it chaos?
- [47:25]
B
I'm ready.
- [47:26]
A
Okay, let me pull it up.
- [47:27]
B
Wow. I can't believe I was crying.
- [47:29]
A
I know. Same. I had to fix my mascara. Hi, ladies. Is this karma or is this chaos? My sister is two years older than I am. She had her three boys before I had my first child. A boy that I had my daughter two years later. I used to give my sister so much because her boys were always so messy and sticky. And there would be random kitchen. Kitchen utensils out in her sandboxes, toys all over the place, ripped books. I just didn't understand how nasty and crazy kids could be. Now my beautiful little princess, three years old, is the nastiest of all of them. I swear, I need a chisel to get the food and stickiness out of her hair when I brush it. Her face is always filthy. She runs around like a feral dog. She brings inside toy. She brings inside toys outside. Oh, she brings inside toys outside and outside toys inside. My sister's boys don't even want to hug her half the time because she's so gross. Is this karma or is this chaos ass? And then she says, let's be honest. It's karma. It is.
- [48:27]
B
I think it's a. Yeah, but it's.
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A
Like, you know, if it. Well, let me not say. You know, I am going out on a limb and saying, if you have dirty kids, a lot of the times it is because they're having a good time, they're having a good childhood. They're playing in dirt. They're outside, they're running around. So, yeah, maybe a little karma for judging your sister's kids, but also, like. Like, you'll laugh about it at some point when you have a pet. You love taking care of them because in their own way, they take care of you. But even if you're the best pet parent in the world, unpredictable things can happen. But fortunately, you can always give your care a boost with ASPCA Pet Health Insurance. The ASPCA Pet Health Insurance Program offers customizable accident and illness plans, making it easier for pet parents like you to help your pet get the care they need. The ASPCA pet health insurance program has been around for over 18 years, and they've helped more than 600,000 pets during that time. They allow you to customize your plan, helping ensure that your pet's plan is as unique as they are. Because vet bills can really add up, especially when you're least expecting it. I don't know about you guys, my dog has to go to the vet today, and it's super simple. Use their app to submit a claim and you'll receive reimbursement for eligible vet bills directly to your bank account. To Explore coverage, visit ASPCA pet insurance.com karma that's aspcapetinsurance.com karma Again ASPCA pet insurance.com karma this is a paid advertisement. Insurance is underwritten by either Independence American Insurance Company or United States Fire Insurance Company and produced by PTZ Insurance Agency Ltd. The ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance.
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B
It's not the worst kind of karma.
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A
Right? Right.
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B
Like, it's the funny kind of karma.
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A
Yeah, for sure. Because you're like, I didn't expect this.
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B
Yeah. Like, this is karma for me thing. Like, that's why I fear if I have an ugly baby. That's my karma for always thinking about people having ugly babies.
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A
Have you thought that people have had ugly babies?
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B
Yeah, same.
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A
I've thought my own babies were. Actually, I was not the prettiest baby to be completely transparent.
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B
Can I see a baby picture?
- [50:41]
A
I don't. Yeah, actually have. I have one that my aunt. She commented on my Facebook last week.
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B
To finalize that answer. I think it's a little bit of both, but I think that it's like good, fun karma, you know?
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Oh, not very cute.
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B
Is that your mom?
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A
No, it's my aunt.
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B
She have a shaved head on top?
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A
Probably. It was the 90s.
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B
A nice little mullet.
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A
Yeah, for sure. It was a. No, it was a 90s. She posted that on my Facebook feed where, like other people could see it.
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B
It. You were a cute baby. But you. You do look like a little Boy.
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A
I am a little boy. You know what I mean?
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B
But you have a little skirt, cowboy skirt on.
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A
That was when I lived in Texas.
- [51:23]
B
What a hairstyle. Maybe that's the hairstyle I should go for.
- [51:26]
A
That's a 90s hairstyle. If anyone knows me from my childhood and has pictures of me, can y' all send them or something?
- [51:34]
B
What was the ending of that passage?
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A
Oh, is it karma or is it chaos? Let's be honest. It's karma. Let's not judge other moms. But see, that's like, also, like, a moment, a teachable moment for her. But, yeah, I mean. Well, see, here's the thing about judging moms.
- [51:52]
B
I'm not ready. People are already judging me based on me buying clothes for my kid. Me buying what stroller I'm gonna buy. I'm not ready.
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A
This is the problem in society, is that we are judging moms on every little thing. Like, we're critiquing every little thing. I prefer no screen time or very little screen time. Right. What someone else. There was a mom we brought up screen time at basketball a couple weeks ago, and she said, I don't what I would do without my kids having screen time. I need that break. Cool. I don't think anything else of her. Like, think she's great, Thinks her. I think her kids are great. I don't care. There are certain times where I needed to hear, specifically me. I needed to hear from people around me that I needed to do better. Whether it be something that I was doing related to being a mom or, you know, I needed to conduct myself better. I needed to hear that. So I think we shouldn't judge moms that we don't know. But, like, if you sat there and told me that I needed to do something differently, I probably should have.
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B
I would hope so.
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A
I think if there's a little bit, there's a difference.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like, I'm not going to judge you for buying clothes. Like, I did. I did ask you. I said, why would you buy a stroller? Like, why are you buying a stroller already? Yeah, but other than that, it's like.
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B
Yeah, but you weren't judging me. You're just asking.
- [53:09]
A
No, I'm just curious because usually that's something that you wait to get at the baby shower, and then if you don't get one, then you get it. But I mean, also to each of their own. Like, if you wanted to not even have a baby shower, it's like, that's your right to do so.
- [53:20]
B
Yeah, I've. I'VE entered my point of life where I'm just like. When I see someone do something or see like a situation, I'm like, I have no clue. I'm not in that situation. I could say a million things about the parent that I'm gonna be. The things that I'm gonna do, I'm never gonna do. Xyz. You literally never know what you're gonna do in a situation. This is gonna be so unhinged, this transition of what I'm about to say. But my entire life, I always thought about what I would do if I ever got held up by a gun.
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A
As a mom?
- [53:54]
B
No, just in general.
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A
Okay.
- [53:56]
B
And then I got held up by a gun. And then I did complete opposite of what I thought I would do, you know?
- [54:03]
A
When was this?
- [54:05]
B
I was 18. Yeah. For sure. For real. So you know what?
- [54:13]
A
Can you tell the story, though?
- [54:14]
B
Yeah. Next. Next episode, I'll tell the full story. It's a long story.
- [54:19]
A
Okay, but you're relating this. The correlation is that you don't think.
- [54:23]
B
Until you're in it. Like, you just like, have no. No clue. Like, I say, oh, I'm gonna go walks outside when the baby's born. I might just sit up my ass on couch for a month. I don't know.
- [54:33]
A
Possible. I didn't know what I was gonna say. You rendered me speechless.
- [54:42]
B
Lee and I were talking about it yesterday because in my mind, my expectation of when this child comes is I'm gonna have to find things to do, like take him golfing with me, you know, go to the store and walk Leah. Alone time. That's my expectation in my head. But it might be that the time comes and Leah's like, no, I want him here with me. Like, you can go and do whatever you need to. Like, I don't need alone time from the baby. I'm just preparing for both mentally.
- [55:15]
A
Yeah. I would say in my own experience, I didn't need alone time from the baby until that weird in between stage where they're not walking yet, but they're not. Not sitting up and doing. And so that is the place that I was, I have always struggled with because, like, they don't sit up.
- [55:33]
B
Yeah.
- [55:33]
A
So like, you either have to hold them or like prop them up. And then like, what can you really, like, outside of like playing for a few minutes? Like, that was a really hard time for me where it's like, okay. And then Also, like around 1, if they're not sleeping. Like, that time was hard. But in the beginning, I think it's gonna seem. Well, let me not speak for everybody. The first six to eight weeks are a cakewalk, in my opinion, because all they do is sleep.
- [55:55]
B
Yeah.
- [55:56]
A
Like, they don't do anything else. And so everybody's gonna sleep when the baby sleeps unless you have other kids. And that's hard because if you have toddlers who are not napping on the same schedule, and then you can. Let me not. I'm just. People are gonna be upset, but I'm this spiral. Well, because the thing is that when you have one child, it's. It's easier in my opinion, when you have two children and one is awake while the newborn is napping, and you could potentially be with that child during the nap time, but you can't now because the older child is awake. That's a different dynamic. Do you know what I'm saying?
- [56:30]
B
So do you know what I mean?
- [56:31]
A
This first baby. And also because I struggled as a new mom with the. When you have to hold them in that weird stage and, like, someone always has to be holding them because they can't sit up by themselves. And it was like, well, like, I want to, like, get myself together. I want to go get ready. And then like, at that time, you know, I was with my. My Isaac's dad, right. And it was like, well, he didn't want to do it. And so it was this back and forth of like, who's going to do it? And nobody wanted to do it. And this. He wanted to go out with his friends, I wanted to go out with my. Like, I wanted to do something. And because we resented each other so much, it was like, who's going to do it? Where. When you're in a healthy relationship, you're like, you understand that Leah might want to go out and you have the baby. And I don't think that all relationships are like that.
- [57:15]
B
No. I'm just preparing for everything.
- [57:17]
A
Yeah. And I think that's a good, Good. That's a good thing to do.
- [57:20]
B
Do you think that if. If anyone's listening. So I've been watching Tick tock videos about how to strap a car seat to a golf cart.
- [57:31]
A
That's a new one.
- [57:32]
B
I've seen him use ratchet straps.
- [57:35]
A
Okay.
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B
Because I'm gonna be on out on.
- [57:38]
A
That golf course with a baby. Okay.
- [57:41]
B
Me and Bex.
- [57:42]
A
It'll be easier if he's in a. Like, you carry him.
- [57:47]
B
That'll screw up my swing.
- [57:48]
A
Put them on your back.
- [57:50]
B
Is that possible? A little infant? You can just strap them to your back.
- [57:54]
A
Yeah, but you could Put him. He's gonna be so snug to you. It might not mess it up.
- [58:01]
B
My titties are already in my way when I swim.
- [58:04]
A
True, but you know how they have the golf course girly that comes around with the drinks? Could you just hire one of those?
- [58:12]
B
Wait, what? You mean like a.
- [58:13]
A
Like a golf course nanny?
- [58:15]
B
I thought she meant give the new.
- [58:16]
A
Board to the car girl.
- [58:20]
B
The golf course that I frequent doesn't have a golf cart girl.
- [58:25]
A
Okay, well, it's an idea.
- [58:28]
B
You could just come with me then for the vibes. I. That is on our to do list is doing, like, a content day of just golfing.
- [58:36]
A
Oh, I love that. That would be fun.
- [58:37]
B
No, like, you're involved.
- [58:38]
A
Oh. Oh, oh, okay. I'll. I'll definitely come. I'll be the driver.
- [58:41]
B
We're going to go to Atlanta, Georgia.
- [58:46]
A
Well, it sounded like you started to say Atlantis.
- [58:49]
B
We're gonna go to Atlanta.
- [58:51]
A
Atlanta, Georgia.
- [58:52]
B
We're gonna go have a sleepover with Lindsay.
- [58:53]
A
She's not letting us in her house. She told me that.
- [58:58]
B
Do you think if I FaceTimer she'd pick up?
- [59:00]
A
Possibly. She might text me and say, Becky's FaceTiming me.
- [59:04]
B
Please hold. I hope she picks up.
- [59:12]
A
She knows we're together, so she might.
- [59:19]
B
Wait, hold on.
- [59:22]
A
Don't say anything yet, Becky.
- [59:24]
B
Okay. Hi.
- [59:26]
A
Hi.
- [59:27]
B
We're recording.
- [59:28]
A
Oh, we are? Hi, Lindsay.
- [59:31]
B
First and foremost, I miss you.
- [59:34]
A
Oh, I missed you, too. Why aren't you here?
- [59:37]
B
Secondly, we were just talking about how I need to figure out how to strap a car seat to a golf cart so I can go golfing when my son gets here. And then I said, oh, we wanna. Your hair looks like a different color. It looks nice. Anyway, we were talking about how, oh, we need to go at Atlanta and have a sleepover with Lindsay so then we could all go golfing. And Carol said, lindsay's not gonna let us sleep over there. And I said, I'm calling her right now. Can you. Can you go on record?
- [60:06]
A
I've already told you that.
- [60:07]
B
Like, I'm not participating in any of your talk at my house. Yeah, but we can stay there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [60:14]
A
Y' all can stay in my guest.
- [60:16]
B
Rooms and not bother me when it's time for me to go to bed. Yeah, but we can go there. Okay, but you're gonna. But it's also Atlanta. It's not Atlanta.
- [60:27]
A
In Atlanta. Atlanta.
- [60:29]
B
But are you going to bring me to your country club? Yeah.
- [60:32]
A
Here right now. She said, yeah, I'm here right now.
- [60:37]
B
Oh, I love that. Oh, I love. Let's get on a flight right now.
- [60:42]
A
Well, I have seven children, so it's snowing with somebody.
- [60:51]
B
All right. Love you, miss.
- [60:52]
A
Love you. Bye.
- [60:57]
B
Bye. So anyways, Atlanta's on.
- [61:03]
A
Atlanta is on. I love Atlanta. It used to be my second home.
- [61:06]
B
I love that she picked up.
- [61:08]
A
Yeah, I love that, too, actually, at.
- [61:11]
B
The country club that she's taking us to.
- [61:13]
A
We need to go.
- [61:14]
B
I don't get you to drink often, but we do have a couple drinking needs for you.
- [61:17]
A
We're gonna do the game, the shot game that we talked about. I think it was last week. Week.
- [61:21]
B
That would get that. We should do that as, like, a mini live series.
- [61:26]
A
Do that Patreon exclusive and go live on Patreon. Oh, that's. That's good. On Patreon. Let's plan that.
- [61:33]
B
Yeah, that would be fun.
- [61:34]
A
I'm just a little concerned about the scheduling because you're about to have a baby, so you won't be able to do much for a little bit. And then I'm. My life is just pure chaos.
- [61:45]
B
Yeah, I think we'll be fine. We'll figure it out.
- [61:47]
A
Okay. Okay. You know, down.
- [61:50]
B
Cool.
- [61:51]
A
Well, that's it. That's all we have for Karma.
- [61:57]
B
That's a wrap. It has been so much fun to be back IRL with you.
- [62:01]
A
Yeah, I love it. I love being at irl.
- [62:04]
B
We'll hopefully get more IRL time.
- [62:06]
A
Well, anyways, let us know what you guys want to see from us. And don't forget to join us.
- [62:10]
B
Oh, we have big news.
- [62:12]
A
What is it?
- [62:12]
B
No, we can't say. Yeah, but tune in next week. We have really big news.
- [62:18]
A
Tune into our official, official Facebook group. It's Karma and KS official Facebook group. And then we have Becky hater.com 25 on all platforms. Kayl Lowery, you know where to find me. And that's it. That's all we have.
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B
Can't wait for next week.
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A
See ya.
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B
Love ya.
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A
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