← Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter
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See that?
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Why the first podcast back? Not barely famous, not coffee combos. It's karma and chaos.
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C
Damn, that makes me feel a little bit special.
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It should. Because I really didn't want to be here. I didn't want to be on any recordings because of my paralyzed lips. So I picked this one because I feel like we laugh about it the most. And I just got off therapy, so.
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C
Are you okay?
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No, I'm gonna fly to Switch. If this is permanent, I'm gonna fly to Switzerland and I'm gonna do assisted suicide, so it's fine.
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B
What the fuck are you talking about?
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I'm okay. I'm just. I think that I should have really looked at, like, what could happen because I knew this was a possibility, but it was, like, a rare. Now I'm out here, like, holding my lip down to look normal and my kids like me and Elijah. I forget what I was up there for. And he, like, mocked me and like did this lip thing and I was like to make me off myself. Like, you cannot make jokes like that. We're not there yet. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. First and foremost, you can't go to Switzerland. There has to be a reason. There has to be.
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Like it's assisted suicide is the reason.
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No, you can't. You have to have terminal illness. You can't just like.
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No, in Switzerland you don't.
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Yes you do.
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No you don't.
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You have to have terminal illness for.
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Not in Switzerland. Yes, mental illness. Do you know who you're talking about? I am.
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That is not on the list of approved.
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Let me know because this. The reason why I got that idea was because yesterday I saw an article about this mom which is so crazy that you bring this up because I'm going to read this to you. Like I literally was shook. So I have a book club group chat like in my imessages and they sent me a screenshot and it is about a mom who went to Switzerland for assisted suicide. Okay, right here people. Mom tells family she's going on vacation. They later get a text informing them of her assisted suicide. And she had no history of terminal illness.
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Okay, you have.
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Okay hold on, let me google this.
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It's just.
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Do you need a reason?
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One, terminal illness and then two, you have to have like 12, like I think it's like 12 months of like you have to like say this is what I want for 12 consistent months.
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Like and I've said that I want to off myself at 60 for five years. So I feel like when the time comes I'll be in Switzerland.
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There's this guy, I'm going to send you guys his Tick Tock account when I find it. He's documenting his year long process with doctor Assisted suicide. I believe he's in Europe somewhere. I don't remember exactly the country. I'll find it. And he's documenting it because he's very severe borderline personality disorder and he's been suicidal his whole life. All these things. So there are very severe personality disorders with documented history of suicide attempts, etc. That you can do that with. Otherwise you just got to do it old fashioned. But also I got to tell you remember like have you ever. You didn't watch Vanderpump Rules?
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I watched two seasons of it.
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Okay, first one of the girls just got something done to her chin when they were recording the last season and her mouth with this was the same the entire season. It's fine now your inflammation and I don't know if you remember this, but Dr. Ho told us that inflammation can take a full year to go down completely. So of course inflammation is going to impact that. So don't worry about it being permanent. It is extremely rare.
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Is question. Is there like therapy you can do to help with it?
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There's this like elixir MD that I was doing after my procedure, but I can't keep driving almost two hours there for 20 minutes and then driving two hours back with the kids in school and stuff. So unfortunately I can't continue to do it. But she said I could do like lymphatic massage and then like pressure points and then facial exercises. And then when I was just on my therapy, I just was with my therapist. She said for me to look up some other like homeopathic things I could do like essential oils, certain foods. Obviously I'm supposed to have a low sodium diet with for the inflammation and stuff. But yeah, I wish that. Do you remember Lindsay Nicholson? My friend Lindsay Nicholson? She was at the pothead release party. Blonde. She was a cage fighter, was on. 16 and pregnant.
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I don't. Maybe, I don't know.
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She actually works for a facial plastic surgeon and she was like talking to me about, about all of it and you know, just, you know, telling me what she sees and like versus like where my results are at and stuff. And I'm pretty spot on for like where like all her patients would. Normally she's not the surgeon, but she sees enough of them like the patients. She said I'm pretty spot on for like where I'm supposed to be. But she did give some like other tips for like diet and stuff like that. I wish I would have known because I would have went to her doctor if I had known that she was in the facial industry. Facial. Facial plastic surgery industry. But this is where we're at 22 days post op.
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C
I mean, you look great.
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Thanks.
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That one picture you posted, I was like, damn. I was like, she looks good.
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I hope that I heal really well. You can see like this difference in swelling under my eyes. Like this one has like a, like more of like a. I don't even like. It's just this side is more swollen than this side. But Creed asked me last night. I was showing him pictures of baby Becks and I'm like. Because you did like the August post with all the pictures of like people holding him and stuff like that. And so I'm swiping through them and he's like, so was it Lux? Lux or Creed? One of them was like, so are they always gonna call him Baby Bex? Or, like, what happens when he's, like, a big kid? Are they still gonna call him Baby Bex? Or are they like, what? How does that. And I was like, um, I don't know if anyone calls him baby Backs. I was just saying, this is Baby Becks. I was like, so I don't know. And then Creed's like, and when are we going to Becky's house? And I was like, we're going this weekend, so if you could kindly stop harassing me, that would be fantastic.
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I cannot wait to see them. And Leah does call him baby Backs, so.
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Okay, good. So I feel better about that.
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Yeah, she'll probably call him Baby backs for the rest of his life. But I saw a picture of Cree. It makes me, like, really sad that I haven't seen them in so long.
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He started kindergarten, he was nervous, but, like, he was excited nervous, not like a. Like, freaking out nervous. And so he. Hold on, I'm gonna show you the pictures. Like, he was all smiles. Like, he was so excited sitting in his class.
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Oh, my God, yes. And then when he loved that kid so much.
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Sorry, why did he age to a 16 year old boy over there?
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That's what I mean. She put. I was like, holy.
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What?
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No, literally, because when I. When he got home from school, I was like, creed, you literally look like you're 10 years old. Like, what is going on? He said he had a great day. One of my girlfriends works at the school, and she was, like, doing her regular stuff, and she, like, checked on him at lunch. And so that was good because I. I get so nervous about kindergarten. And, like, you'll experience this too. Like, if you don't pack their lunch, they get, like, a number. And then they have to, like, for a while, they, like, have the number on their necklace, but at some point, they have to, like, remember it. And I always like to use the first week of school for them to, like, learn that in case I don't pack them lunch. So I did. I'm not packing lunches this week. I'll start when, you know, if they want me to pack them next week or whatever. But, like. And I underestimate how smart kids are. Like, my kids really don't have, like, a problem with that. Once they're, like, told what to do and stuff. But for some reason, I got real emotional about Creed, because I'm like, but Creed's fine. Like, he's literally f. He knows what to do. He knows where to go. He told Me. Who? His favorite. He has two since they do half day English, half day Spanish. This was his first time doing that. And he was like, well, I like one teacher better than the other. And I was like, that's okay. Like, you'll get used to it. You'll figure it out. And Elijah's niece. Elijah's niece, I think is in Creed's class. So I was like, yeah. And then another one of my girlfriend's kids is in his class. So I was like, okay, that's also helpful. And then also tonight starts flag football.
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Oh, he's doing flag football.
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He's doing flag football. Lux is doing flag football and basketball, and then Lincoln is doing flag football and soccer.
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Okay, Fall. Fall started.
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It has. So how are you? How is everything? Oh, oh, oh, real quick, before I forget, we're going to Salem at the end of the month to. You're going to be there? I'm going to be there. We're going to have our kids. I did make an appointment to decorate Labubus.
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Okay.
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So that was really exciting. Someone wrote into us about it and I was like, this needs to be scheduled immediately.
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Is. Is Elliot going to be there?
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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How are you? Tell me. Give me updates.
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I've missed you a lot.
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I've missed you.
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Also, like, what the.
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I know. And I'm like, I feel like we.
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Haven'T talked in so long.
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Well, one thing you missed is Alessandra and I decided that we want a lake house.
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Oh, I thought, I thought I was included in that lake in spirit.
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Yeah, but like, we need, like, that's what, like, you're here for.
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Yeah, of course you're included in it. We need our house.
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Like, one third. Like, we're all gonna go in a third.
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Yeah.
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Or am I gonna be.
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I'm.
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I. I will buy it when I win the lottery tonight. But.
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Okay, it's at a billion dollars. Like, it's. I literally texted Elijah and I was like, you need to play. And somebody else sent me a ticket that he already got. I'm like, I need to. I don't even know how to play the lottery. Like, where do I go?
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I just do it online. But I might buy an in person ticket too.
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Where do I go to a gas station and say, what Say, can I.
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Have $20 for a Powerball tonight?
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But then what do I do with that? Is it already, like, random numbers or.
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Like, I don't normally pick my numbers. I just let them. Let the machine pick.
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Okay. And I just walk in and I'm like, hey, can I have 20? How much are they?
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They're like, 2 bucks, 3 bucks a ticket.
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Okay, so I'm gonna get, like, $20 on the foot. What is it called? The Powerball. If I win a billion dollars, I would literally pay all of you guys, like, a million dollars, and then I would buy the lake house for us.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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Yeah, I would.
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No offense. We'd be out. You would never hear from me ever again.
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No. What do you.
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Not you.
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I would.
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I would drop off the face of the planet.
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Not for a million.
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No, no, no, no. I would invest that very wisely, and I would just live in that lake house, and you would never see me again.
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Not you.
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If I. When I win tonight, I would still do this podcast.
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No. If I. Like, that was what I was thinking when I got the picture that someone got the Powerball ticket already. And I was like, I would still work. Like, I would still. It sounds like I say that I would. No, but I still would want to open killer sports. I still would. I want to open a coffee. Don't get me started on that. I. It's just an idea to say, oh, it's a wild idea. I know it's not, like, a thing, but, like, I would still do those things. You know what I mean? Like, I would be like, oh, we gotta make the money work for a day job.
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But I would. I would definitely continue my podcasts.
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Yeah. I would do stuff for fun, like. Like passion projects, you know?
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, I agree with you. I definitely agree with you.
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But it would be different, right? Like, I wouldn't be editing and doing all the posts for. For the haters. I'd hire someone to do it.
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Okay, but my question is, if you won any amount for the lottery, right, like, whether it was like 1 million or 1 billion, would you want to be kept a secret? Because I think in some states, like, in some states, but, like, you would tell your closest friends because you'd be so excited. I wouldn't want people to ask me for money because, you know, they would.
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Just tell Leah and that was it. Like, I would, like, because I would.
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Want to just, like, surprise people I love with money. Like, certain people, not everyone.
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I would. I would lie. I wouldn't say that I won the lottery. I would say that, like, I invested into a business and came into money somehow. But, like, not like, I wouldn't say, like, say that magnitude of money.
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But don't they, like, publicize it?
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Some states you can stay private. Some states you have to. I don't know what New Jersey is.
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I think Delaware, you can remain private. Also, after you get a billion dollars, like, how much of that do you think is going to taxes?
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Like, a lot. You end up with, like, 400 million.
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Oh, well, wait, so you're get. You're paying more than half the taxes for.
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For a billion, the lottery and everything. Like, you end up with, like, walking away with. I think it's like 450 or something.
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I mean, I'd still take it. Everyone in my life could make. I would give. Literally give my best people a million dollars each, and I'd still have enough to invest and do what I want.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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But, like, I would give so many people that I love, like, because I. This is so up about me. It's like a blessing and a curse is like. And I. I try to work on it in therapy, but it's just not really coming to fruition. It's like, I don't know how to, like, appreciate people with, like, words. And so, like, a lot of times I'm like, oh, here's gifts, or here's money, or, here's this. And, like, I want to change that, because it shouldn't be about that. But I also know in this economy, people appreciate it. In this economy, I'm like, you know what? I can't solve your problems, but here's a thousand dollars for your rent.
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I mean, if you guys. I love you. Yeah. I mean, I. I would be. If I, like, had more money, I would be the same way. But I'm the same way. Like, I love being able to pay for people's dinners or, like, not have to work.
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And I don't. But some people are like, you can't buy love. And it's like, I'm not trying to buy love. This is just like, I appreciate you. This is what I can do. And it's. It's a blessing and a curse because, like, I also am the. I am the person that, like, people come to asking, like, hey, I don't have anyone else. Like, can you do X, Y, and Z?
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And when you have money, do you expect it back? Like, are you loaning it or do you know you're not getting it back? Like, if somebody comes to you and they're like, can I borrow this? You're like, no, you can have it.
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At first, when people started asking me, I expected it back. And then my cousin, who's very wealthy, explained to me one time that when you give money back, even if they say, if you give money to someone, even if they say, I'll pay you back, like, you need to evaluate your finances and decide, like, you're not. Basically say, you're not getting this back. Are you going to be good? You know, if you don't get it back? And you need to consider them all gifts. And so that's where I'm at now. You know, it's. It's. Don't.
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Don't hit up Kale and ask her for money. Don't take this as an invitation, okay?
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Please.
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I don't know if I would ever ask you for money. I've asked my sister for money before, like, probably 10 years ago.
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Huh.
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And, like, I paid her right back. I asked my mom for, like, I borrowed money from my mom, but I paid her. Like, I'm paying her back for it. Like, it's that I borrowed money instead of taking out a loan. I borrowed money from my mom for.
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The house renovation, for stuff like that. Like, that makes sense to me because I'm like, you're trustworthy. Like, I know you. You're good for it. And it's for a purpose. Like, I think so often people ask me for money and, like, it's not my business where it's going. But also it's like, it's not like you were asking to borrow money for that reason and you're going to pay back so that you didn't have to take out a loan. Like, to me, it's like, there's like, a process and a. Like, sure.
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Yeah. I don't. But I said all. Say, I don't think I would ask you for money. Not that I wouldn't, like, trust, like, be comfortable asking you for money.
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I would give it to you. Uncomfortable thing, you know, it's like, yeah, it's really uncomfortable.
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How's the end of chokehold?
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But it's definitely a weird.
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I'm not gonna have to worry about it because I'm winning the lottery tonight.
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Me too. I'm gonna win the smaller one or whatever. Is there a smaller one?
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Like, you can win parts of the money. It's not like an all or nothing based on numbers.
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Like, how does it work? So if you get X amount of numbers correct, then you get a portion.
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Yep.
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If you get Multiple people get some combination of the number and do they have to be in order? Like, how does it work?
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Yeah. So like two nights ago or whenever the last drawing was, I think it was like six people got all five numbers without the Powerball and all of them got a million dollars. Oh, yeah.
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Wow. I mean, that would be fantastic. You could start a business with a million dollars.
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Yeah. A million dollars wouldn't change my life. But it would definitely. It would be nice.
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Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't. Honestly, a million dollars could change my life.
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It wouldn't like. No, it wouldn't.
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Like, you can make life.
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You could make the million dollars work for you if you do something with it properly. Because I think I watched. I think it was called something along like the curse of the lottery or something like that, where people win the lottery and then they overspend and then they're left with literally less than what they had when they started. And you're just like, how like financial literacy matters.
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Financial literacy does matter. Well, I do want to say not to get into muddy waters because we know we like to do that here sometimes. I recently, and just because it's topic conversation is asked because Beck's just got his two months vaccinations. Yay, science. There is a spike in infant deaths because of people refusing the. What is it? The vitamin K shot?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So there's a spike in infant death right now because people are refusing the vitamin K shot at birth. Because people are confusing the vitamin K shot with a vaccine. People are thinking that like, just because it's a shot, it's a vaccine. But I wanted to say that the vitamin K shot is not a vaccine and you should look into it before you give birth because it. There's like 10, not 10. There's a couple different ways that like of things that could happen. It's like something in the brain and connecting where there's your body, like an infant is deficient or is deficient. Is deficient. Is deficient.
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Yeah. I think they don't produce vitamin K. Yeah.
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C
And so it helps prevent them from certain deaths, but there's a spike in those deaths because people are not getting that shot. I'm not telling you to do it. I'm just telling you to look into it.
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A
Okay, the shot, or is it the oral?
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C
No, it's a shot.
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A
I don't remember.
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C
And it's like preventable bleeding disorders that are like causing these deaths that the vitamin K shot helps with. So just look into it. Just so that preventable, you know, you.
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A
Can do vitamin K drops as well. Oral vitamin K doses you can do to your point, just do your research. Everybody is going to choose what they want to choose. I'm not here to judge what people choose, but definitely look into vitamin K. We need to talk about positive again. It's been a while since I've talked to you guys about this and I know that I don't want to be insecure in the bedroom or about how I smell, taste, anything like that. So Euro vaginal probiotics are amazing. They balance healthy pH, they support healthy vaginal smell, maintain healthy vaginal flora, and we know as women that so many factors contribute to a ph that may be thrown off a little bit. Sex, tight clothing, sweat from working out, hormones, periods, etc. I don't know about anyone else. I have my period this week and I don't want to smell. I want to make sure that I am good to go. And with Euro vaginal probiotics, it makes me feel so, so confident. If you guys have ever been cheated on and you're having sex with your partner and your ph is off, it's probably because of the cheater. Okay? It's embarrassing. I don't want to go through it. I don't want anyone else to go through it. You won't have to worry about a smell, taste nothing. Also break up with him. You can also read reviews on these products. They're amazing. So many people rave about them. One person said, this product does everything it says it will. I'm just finishing my second month. I have no discharge, no odor and no taste. This stuff is a game changer. So I'm not only one talking about it. Try it out for yourself. Take proactive care of your health. Head to o positive.com karma or enter karma at checkout for 25% off your first purchase. That's O P S I T I V.com karma for 25% off. I I screenshotted a couple things that I wanted to talk about. I want to know. I don't know if this is accurate, but I saw it on Instagram and obviously I go to Instagram University. So to me it was fact. Girls need 47 minutes of attention per day from their partner to be the most happy. One I wanted to know, one, is this real? Two, was this only in heterosexual couples? And three for lesbians. Like, how does that work?
- [28:35]
C
49 minutes a day. 47 minutes a day of attention.
- [28:40]
A
Like when I'm in love, like real love, not like, this is cool. I could make this work. But, like, real love, I want you to unzip your jacket and I pop out. Like, 47 minutes would not suffice for me, man.
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B
I don't know.
- [28:59]
A
I feel like are more in love than heterosexual couples, in my opinion. I.
- [29:03]
C
You know, it's such a hard question for me in the place of life I am, because no one gets attention except that baby right now.
- [29:12]
A
Okay, take. Take baby. Backside of the equation.
- [29:15]
C
Taking baby. Backside of the equation. I would say that that makes sense because when I get quality time with Leah, my happiness is significantly better. No, I need more than that.
- [29:27]
A
I need 12 hours a day when.
- [29:30]
B
I need to be committed. If I got 12 hours a day of attention, 47 minutes sounds perfect to me.
- [29:37]
A
Alessandra is like, I've been in a relationship for eight years. I do not want 12 hours.
- [29:42]
B
That's like, who I am as a person. And we've talked about it. I think I'm autistic. I just don't. I don't want to be perceived. Like, don't look at me. I don't want to be a human being. I saw that guy.
- [29:52]
C
He was.
- [29:53]
B
He was coming for you.
- [29:56]
A
Yeah. No.
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B
47 minutes.
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A
Perfect. In previous relationships, I would. I would agree.
- [30:01]
C
I could spend all my time with.
- [30:03]
B
Like, what does that look like? Right? Like, I'm thinking 47 minutes of direct, undivided attention. Nothing else. You're not doing anything else except for just spending time with that person. Like, I like to be around Billy. Like, I want you on the other end of the couch, and I'm on this end of the couch, and you're doing what you're doing, and I'm doing what I'm doing. We don't need to be talking. We don't need to be touching, but you have to be here. Like, why are you in the other room?
- [30:25]
A
Yes.
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B
Yeah.
- [30:27]
A
Yeah, I love that. Like, I could get behind, like, in the same vicinity. Also, we could literally be in bed together, and we don't have to interact, but, like, let your. Let me put my foot on your leg or something. And I'm good.
- [30:40]
C
Yeah, that's how I am.
- [30:41]
A
So shut the fuck up, because if I'm reading, I don't want to hear your mouth. I'm reading also. I don't know if anyone else is reading anything right now. I'm reading Once There Were wolves by Charlotte McConaughey.
- [30:53]
C
I have not read since I've become a parent.
- [30:56]
B
Sopan book.
- [30:59]
A
It's rough. Yeah, I think it's a little bit. Yeah, I think it's the dystopian vibes it's like about this woman is her parents are divorced. Her mom is like, big on like being a realist. And like, people are not nice. Like, that's not their first line of defense is not kindness. It's like fucked up. And then the dad is like this like forest guy who like cuts down trees and like every kindness is everything. And then there's two daughters who like take those lessons. And then she. One of them is like rehabilitating wolves to go to the land.
- [31:34]
B
I don't know.
- [31:34]
A
I went into it blind. And I'm only on chapter five.
- [31:37]
B
So like, that's where I'm reading a secret history right now.
- [31:39]
C
It's.
- [31:41]
B
You have probably seen it all over Tick Tock. I'm gonna post like the secret history.
- [31:46]
A
What is it called? Oh, I did see that, but I haven't.
- [31:50]
B
It's perfect for this time of year. I'm such a mood reader. So, like, I like to read fall books in the fall. Like, this is about a college. They just started. I like to read thrillers in the fall. So it's good. I like it so far. It's like. I mean, it's long. It's like 560 pages and it's a little bit slow, but I've heard it's really good. When I checked it out at Barnes this weekend, the cashier freaked out. She was like, that's my favorite book. I have every version written. I'm like, okay.
- [32:19]
A
It's. It has almost a million ratings.
- [32:22]
B
Like, it was written in 92. So for it to still be like, as popular is really dope. It's. It's a hallmark piece of literature is what I heard. So we'll see.
- [32:31]
A
Well, I just. I just added it to my tbr. It actually sounds really good. Also, I have to tell you guys about this call that I got today. So you guys know I'm opening Killer Sports. It's been delayed, which is really frustrating. But I say that to say I posted a picture of this abandoned building next to my house on my Facebook and I was like, I want to put a coffee shop here. Like, whatever. It used to be a deli. Like a little market. This is all just my brain, right? Like, you guys know how it operates. Anyways, resident, grew up, born and raised in this area. Text me. And she's like, I'll run it. Like, I have experience. Whatever, Whatever. Con. The conversation shifts. So she says, where is it? And I tell her, oh, it's by the strip club. Like on that strip by the strip club. And so we start talking about strip clubs and lifestyle clubs. Have you heard of these, like, sex clubs? Why do you know about them? What would make you know about these? What? No, no, no. I thought this was brand new information that I was bringing to you guys. Stop acting like you guys know what the.
- [33:41]
B
Like, me and Becky were really wild and in our 20s, you were changing diapers.
- [33:48]
A
You guys. She's telling me about how there's, like, in this one in Maryland specifically, there's like themed rooms and there's like this and that and like, you know, like, you can meet couples there, but, like, you can also, like. And there's like a membership situation, and it's not a strip club. It's like, like. But there. It's like, legal. There's like a legal way to do it or whatever. And I'm like, what in the. Like, I did not know when people joked about upside down pineapples and stuff like that. Like, I thought that was a joke. Like, I didn't know that was like, there are real and like, flamingos is also like another, like, symbol, like if someone has it or whatever. And like, you can go to these, like, lifestyle clubs. And anyways, she basically pitched it to me as a business idea in Delaware, and she's like, I already know how they run. Like, I'm a member. And I'm like, literally, like, it's coming. It sounds like it would be like, yeah, but she was saying, because, like, there's one, there's two in Philly, and then there's one.
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C
Yeah, I was gonna say there's a.
- [34:53]
A
Couple saints and sinners. Did you know about saints and sinners in Philly? Yeah. So she was saying, like, there people travel from really far because they're so few and far between. And I'm just thinking to myself, like, she's not wrong. I don't know that I am the right person for that.
- [35:12]
C
Like, you're not.
- [35:13]
A
But there's like money in strip clubs.
- [35:17]
B
They're legal. But illegal stuff is happening. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's lots of drugs in those situations. There's lots of. There's. I mean, that's a breeding ground for like, sex trafficking. Absolutely. The not. Also, who's gonna come? Seriously? The Amish?
- [35:34]
A
Me. I plan on coming and coming.
- [35:36]
B
You know, we should. That should be a field trip. And we'll just get you a mask because lots of people are wearing masks there. And so you can just observe and see what's going on.
- [35:48]
A
Yeah, well, she said you have to wear regular clothes to enter. And then when you go downstairs or whatever, she said there's different degrees of them.
- [35:55]
B
There's some that are like, you're not having any snacks.
- [35:58]
A
But why am I just now learning about these?
- [36:02]
C
There's ones like, New York is crazy. There's, like, private ones in New York where, like, everyone. Like, it. Like, the membership cost is high, but, like, everyone's tested. Like, everyone. It's, like, secretive.
- [36:14]
A
So is it like a swinger situation or is it like, you go there with your partner only and you're your partner only?
- [36:21]
C
No, it. You can go there single.
- [36:22]
B
I didn't participate. I just was, like, observing. You know what I mean? People, a lot of people are just, like, walking around observing. I didn't have sex with anybody. But you can.
- [36:35]
A
Oh, yeah. So, like, could you have an orgy?
- [36:38]
C
Yeah.
- [36:39]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [36:40]
A
So you can swing.
- [36:41]
C
Yeah.
- [36:42]
A
And you know what? I'm. I would love to be a fly on the wall. I would love to observe. It's not for me, but, like, I have. But, like, maybe it would. But, like, also. And I was telling her this. I was like, I don't have sex. Confidence. Confidence in sex. Like, I know it feels like I do because I have so many fucking kids. Dads. But I promise you, like, can still count on my hands. Don't know what I'm doing. I get insecure. Like, what if I have an ingrown hair in my butt crack? I do not want you to see that. So I can't be myself if there is a pimple on my ass cheek. So I can't. Like, that would never be a thing that could. And now I have a lazy lip. So it's not like I can suck dick. You know what I mean?
- [37:25]
C
So it's like, there's a market for that?
- [37:27]
A
No, there's no. I have a lazy lip. So I can't. Nobody is going to find me attractive at this point. But it's fine because I would say I wanna. This is a field trip. Like, do you think that they would let me go?
- [37:43]
B
Yeah.
- [37:45]
C
Yeah.
- [37:45]
A
Or am I gonna get canceled for talking about it? Huh.
- [37:49]
C
Some people's thing is just watching.
- [37:51]
A
Like, what do they call it? Voyeur. Voyeur. Voyeurism.
- [37:54]
C
Yeah.
- [37:55]
A
Warrior.
- [37:56]
C
So. And some people get off from, like, people watching. So, like, there's rooms that are open. Like, you can.
- [38:02]
A
Have you done it?
- [38:03]
C
No. Would you do it back in the day? Hell, yeah.
- [38:08]
A
You wouldn't watch someone have sex now?
- [38:11]
C
Whoa. Yeah, I would.
- [38:13]
A
Yeah. Should we Go.
- [38:15]
C
Yeah, I'm down.
- [38:18]
A
Like, I need to go. I wanna. Because maybe I could get confidence if I see. Like, this is gonna sound up, but, like, maybe someone else has an ugly scar. And, like, I'd get some confidence knowing that, like, somebody else has.
- [38:30]
C
Like, maybe someone else has a problem.
- [38:31]
B
100 maybe. I agree. No, that's real. Because, like, porn is filled. You guys know how I feel about porn, but porn is filled with, like, unrealistic expectations of, like, what a woman looks like that erodes a man's perception of sex, but also a woman's confidence of, like, what they're supposed to look like and what they're supposed to sound like when they have sex. So when you see other people doing it, you're like, oh, okay, great. Like, I can just be free. I. Yeah, being hypersexual definitely helped my confidence period.
- [39:00]
A
Well, so I have this bug bite scar on my butt cheek. It's from a bug bite that I, like, scratch really hard in Costa Rica, and it just scarred and it looks ugly, and it's, like, right at the bottom of my butt cheek. And I don't want anyone to ever see that.
- [39:12]
C
So, like, I have a scar on my ass, too.
- [39:14]
A
You do? What kind of scar? Like, from a bug bite?
- [39:17]
C
No, I sat down on a bench and I slid and a splinter went into. Onto my ass, and I had to get it surgically removed. But, like, the lifeguard tried cutting it out with a knife. So, like, I have a. I have, like, a little. A little scar on my ass. I'm not insecure about it at all.
- [39:31]
A
Yeah, but mine's a bug bite, so it looks like it's like a scar from a bug bite that looks like a. It looks like a mole, actually. It's not like a.
- [39:39]
B
Men will just. They don't care. They're literally just happy to be there. Once their dick is up, that's it. Game over. They're not looking at your pimples. They're not looking at your scars. They literally don't care. They're like, let's go. They're not looking at that. And if they aren't. Huh.
- [39:57]
A
What about a woman?
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B
I've never.
- [40:00]
A
What about a woman?
- [40:01]
C
Yeah, a woman looks past those things. We see your beauty.
- [40:06]
A
We're hot.
- [40:07]
B
You gotta. We gotta. That's my. That is my goal for the next 12 months is you're gonna realize you're hot because we gotta.
- [40:16]
A
We gotta.
- [40:16]
B
We're not gonna. No, no, no. You're hot. You gotta come to terms with it. And we're gonna figure it out. Okay, deal.
- [40:24]
A
Okay, deal. Sounds good. It's gonna be so hopefully it actually yelling at you. Alexandra keeps yelling at me that I'm hot and Help this podcast is sponsored by Nurture Life. Nurture Life is a meal delivery service that makes nutritious meals and snacks for your kids and they actually want to eat them. The twins are obsessed with them and Rio is around that age where he's like super picky and not really eating the same things that he used to eat. But Nurture Life is the guesswork out for me. This is a game changer. Nurture Life is raising the standard for children's food in the United States. I promise you it's one meal and snack at a time and their meals and snacks are designed by registered dietitians. So I know that I'm serving my kids like good quality meals. It's simple. You can choose from over 50 varieties of nutritious, balanced meals on their menu. From finger foods for babies and toddlers to kids meals for older kids. These are fresh meals delivered straight to your door in refrigerated packaging. The Nurture Life menu includes on the go snacks and superfood smoothies so kids can eat no matter what they're in the mood to eat. So head to nurturelife.com Karma and use code Karma for 55 off your first order plus free shipping again 55 off plus free shipping. Once again nurturelife.com Karma and make sure you use our promo code Karma. Even if you aren't a parent with young kids, you might have parent friends that struggle with meal time. Make sure you share our code with them so that the show gets credit and put your little one first with healthy meals from Nurture Life. Brain FM is an app built for anyone seeking to boost productivity, aid sleep, reduce stress and more. They create science backed music that syncs brain patterns, helping you focus better, relax deeper and sleep easier. It has activity specific modes to meet my exact needs. So they have deep work, learning and more or sleep. They have power nap, deep sleep and more. Brain FM is the only music company supported by a National Science Foundation Grant award to improve people's focus. So that's a big deal. Brain FM recently published a study in the Nature journal Communications Biology showing that their patented music technology increases activity in attentional networks, doubles neurosynchrony at brain wave frequencies associated with focus, and improves attentional task performance and people with ADHD symptoms like me. Brain FM is also an easy way to quickly switch from parent mode to work mode at the push of a button, which is amazing. So unlock free access to all of Brain FM for 30 days by going to Brain FM Karma. That's Brain FM Karma for 30 days free. But, yeah. So she. When she called me and it was like we were texting, I just thought it was, like, a regular casual conversation. She called, ended up calling me, but. But I was just, like, so shocked. I was like, I had no idea that this existed. And, like. And I was just floored because I didn't know. And I'm 33 years old. Like, how do I not know that this exists?
- [43:18]
C
Kayl, there's a lot of things in the world that you don't know exist. You've. This is most of your life.
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A
I have to tell you, too. Speaking of that, I didn't get my period at all in August. Like, not one single day in August, from August 1st to August 31st. And I said, let me be the one in 200 that gets pregnant with no tubes. Okay. I. I really thought about going to buy a pregnancy test. And then I woke up with my period on September 1st.
- [43:48]
C
There might be a God.
- [43:50]
A
I was like, this is either one gonna scar me and be, like, ectopic or whatever, like, implanted outside of the uterus, or I'm about to sue the hospital and be rich as. So it could go either way. You know what I mean?
- [44:04]
C
I can't even believe that, like, you went through that thought process of, I might need to buy a pregnancy test.
- [44:12]
A
Well, and then I asked my friend. I text my friend who she. I think she had hers tied, not cut out. And I said, I know this sounds crazy, but do you ever have pregnancy scares even though you know you can't get pregnant, or, like, the chances are, like, virtually zero? And she's like, yes, all the time. Because, like, let us be the 1 in 200 or the 1 in 5.
- [44:32]
B
You would.
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C
That would be you.
- [44:34]
A
No, truly. And so I'm like. Or it would be like an ectopic situation, which is so sad and scary and all the things. So I'm like, this is not good. And then. Oh, my God. I was so. I just felt so much. And then, like, also, it felt like the. You know, I don't know about anyone else. I'm only speaking for myself when I say this. The week leading up to my period is always insane. It's not the week of my period. It's the week leading up to it. And so I felt like that was also prolonged. Like, it was like I wasn't just a. For one week. It was like. Like 10 or 12 days that I was just a huge. And I was like, this is not okay. Like, what if I'm pregnant? Like, this is not good. And then it came, and I was relieved. And then I had. And of course it came, like, the fir. I got my period on the first. And then second day of school, or first day of school was the second. And I'm like, this would happen. I've let through my clothes three days. Three times yesterday.
- [45:26]
C
Oh, yeah, you do that a lot.
- [45:28]
A
And I. So I woke up to a massacre in my bed. The kids, first day of school. I'm, like, taking them to school. It's so insecure about walking them into school because I'm like, am I bleeding? And so it was not a great time. But that's. You know, that's where. That's where I'm at now.
- [45:45]
C
I wanted to bring something up to you. I just looked at my list from topic conversations, and I have a bone to pick with you. The last time we recorded, I asked you how your vacation was, and it was, like, your vacation. I think it was South Carolina when you went or whatever. North Carolina. You, like, kind of just skimmed over it, that it was a good time. You. Not in one. Not in a personal conversation, not in a karma and chaos conversation. Did you tell me that you pet animals? That you went and, like, saw, like, elephants and, like, animals and stuff? That's really up, because I love animals like that. Like, I'm so jealous that that was an experience that you got to experience and you didn't even share it with me.
- [46:40]
A
I'm so sorry. I thought. I just thought you knew. I didn't think it would. You cared. No, I don't think you followed me around, but I didn't know that you cared about it. But it was a cool experience. The kids creed freaked out. He didn't want the monkeys on him. He liked them. He liked the idea of them. But the second one climbed on his lap. He was like, no, like, freaking out. Like, they. He and the monkey were screaming at each other. Like, that's what that was. Then here goes. Lux, can we get a monkey? Can we get a monkey? Can we get a monkey? Can we get a monkey? I said, you are. No, you're not getting a monkey.
- [47:16]
C
Well, good thing. But I have had that on my list for a really long time, because I saw it. You posted, like, a video of being there, and I was like, how do I. How did I not know anything about this? Like, this is so cool. I'm gonna start frowning, probably more if I'm kept in the dark for any.
- [47:32]
A
Longer while we're on the conversation. Well, it passed, but I'll bring it back. Going to your house this weekend. And Kristen called me and was like, hey, like, I'm gonna go to Becky's birthday dinner on Friday. I didn't know she was going. I thought that. I don't know why. I don't know. I know. But then I was like, not sure if she was going. She said she was going. I think Alessandra said she was going. Or you said Alessandra was going. Kristen, we're talking about it. And she said, kale, how are you gonna go? Because Lincoln has a double header on Saturday. So then I'm like, great, love that for me. So I go look at my calendar. And then he also has a game on Sunday. Actually, all three of the kids have a game on Sunday. So I texted you, obviously, I could go. And I'm still like. At first I was like, oh, I'll just go Saturday. But, like, I don't want to miss the dinner. Like, I'm going to have fomo. So I feel like I either go, leave on leave on Friday after school, stay the night, leave early on Saturday, or go Saturday, spend the day with you, and then leave early on Sunday. Because three of the kids have games. I don't know which one to do.
- [48:33]
C
I mean, that's up to you.
- [48:35]
A
Want to go to dinner with you guys for your birthday.
- [48:39]
C
You won't make it here. Leaving after, like, you would have to. What time do they get out of school?
- [48:46]
A
3:30.
- [48:47]
C
Yeah, you would, like. It would be cutting it. That seems hectic. Then we get no quality time together.
- [48:52]
A
We basically are going to get none on Saturday either. So it's like, just pick one. Yeah, I'm gonna have such, like, I'm gonna be so upset.
- [49:05]
C
You're. You're an adult.
- [49:08]
A
Okay, but what one would you do? Would you go?
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C
I would probably come Saturday because, like.
- [49:12]
A
Okay, because we would still have to leave by 8 in the morning on Sunday because.
- [49:17]
C
Because then, like, I get to spend time with the kids.
- [49:20]
A
And we would just have to leave. Like, if we come Saturday instead of Friday, we would come after the games. We'd probably leave by, like, 12. One get to you by, like, four and then stay. And we would have to leave by 8 in the morning because they have flag at. They all three have games at the exact same time at 12 on Sunday.
- [49:40]
C
Yeah, that sounds like more time together than you trying to get here by 7. You'd get here at 7 on Friday.
- [49:49]
A
But I was like, everyone's going, and everyone's gonna be there. Fine. I guess we'll stick to Saturday then. Maybe my lip will be healed by then.
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B
Anybody have a helicopter Kale can borrow so that we don't?
- [50:02]
A
Yeah, honestly, if you guys. If you guys could just, like, shuttle me in the helicopter.
- [50:07]
C
There is a little airport in our town.
- [50:10]
A
Could you imagine if I just, like, arrived on a helicopter and was just, like, going back and forth?
- [50:16]
C
You probably could. I'm surprised you haven't, like, tried to cut down time by taking a helicopter.
- [50:25]
A
No, I've tried, but the way that my team is set up, they're like, no, Kale. No, Kale. We're just trying to save you money. We're just trying to say. And it's like, I want to die when I'm 60. You don't have to say.
- [50:38]
C
I'm saying that.
- [50:39]
A
Okay, so when I go to get my assisted suicide and your guys are all upset, I'm gonna say, I've been saying this since I was mostly sane.
- [50:46]
B
They're gonna deny you, and we're gonna come. We're gonna show up, because at 60, you're still. We're still gonna have access to your schedule. I'm gonna see you put it in the Google Cal. And I'm.
- [50:57]
A
When this procedure starts to slip and I need another one, that's when I'm ending it. I'm ending it all.
- [51:05]
C
Anyway, let me ask you a serious question.
- [51:07]
A
Oh, my God. I don't have the capacity. What is it?
- [51:10]
C
Would you rather give up kissing or condiments?
- [51:18]
A
Condiments.
- [51:22]
B
I thought you were gonna say condoms. I was like that girl. I gave those up a long time ago back in.
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A
I don't know that I've been using those. You know what I mean?
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B
Yeah.
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C
You really give up condiments before kissing?
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A
Yeah. I mean, maybe now that I have a paralyzed lip, I don't need to kiss anybody.
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C
Condiments make everything better, though.
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A
I read a study or something somewhere that said, like, if you add condiments to your food, you don't actually like it. Like, basically saying, like, if you use condiments, you don't like the food that you're eating. I hope this isn't, like, taken any kind of way, but, like, what is your favorite, like, cuisine, like, type of food? Mine.
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C
Type of way?
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A
Well, I don't know. People read into everything that I say and do, so I just. You just don't know.
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C
My favorite kind of food? I would say Indian.
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A
Oh, Indian. Oh, yeah. I get Indian food every time either.
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B
See, like, that's why you said Asian.
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A
You're.
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B
You're doing a very broad.
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A
Asians.
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B
There's. Babe, edit that out.
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A
Wait, no, but that was like. What do you mean?
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B
It's in Asia, babe.
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A
Right? India is in Asia. Yes. Right, yeah, but it's not Asian.
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B
What?
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A
Like the food. Indian food is not Asian food.
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B
Asian would be any food from the continent of Asia.
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A
Okay, fair then Asian.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because if that includes Indian food also like as like a subcategory or something, then that's. And then I would say the second to that specifically Puerto Rican food, because I love it so much.
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C
What does Puerto Rican food entail?
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A
They make like, Puerto Rican rice and beans is not the same as, like Mexican rice and beans. So just the style of rice and beans. And then also I love rice and beans. No, I'll eat any. Any type of rice and beans, but mofongo. Also. Siomara makes this chicken wrapped in bacon and stuffed with mofongo. Like, she stuffs it. Chef's kiss. Everything, Everything about it. I mean, I literally. That is my death meal. I think that's Romeo.
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C
Interesting.
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B
You.
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C
She does make banging chicken rice and beans.
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A
Yeah, but the. It's the type. And also she'll do like a good fried pork chop with it. And I'm not a big pork person, but the pork chop with the rice.
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C
And the beans, underrated meat out there.
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A
I don't love it. Maybe it's just like. I don't know.
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B
I don't love it either.
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A
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C
I don't know if that's karma. That's kind of like aggressive to wish like that on someone.
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A
It's hard because no matter who you're friends with, at what point or how close you are, like, and I've had to learn this the hard way after, like, specifically with my kids, dads. Like, you're not gonna make every birthday party. You're not gonn every event you're not going to. And like, I would rather have certain kids stop by even for just a little bit, even if they can't stay. You know what I mean? So, like, it's one of those things where, like, I think that's just pure chaos because, yeah, like making the time.
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C
Like the, like they showed up. I get the frustration of them leaving, but like, they made the effort. I don't know. I feel like I'm gonna end up fighting people over my kids.
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A
So please don't. It's not worth it.
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C
We'll see. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I think. I don't know if it's karma that seems like not a balanced. A balanced out karma.
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A
I agree. I agree with you. Just chaos to me.
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C
It's great to have you back.
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A
Thanks. It's great to be back.
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C
Oh my God, Kale. What two things I didn't say. Good day, good evening, good night, good morning. Whenever you're listening to this in the beginning of the podcast has been so long. Sorry guys. Hopefully you're still here and you can hear that now. Number two, when this releases karma and chaos merch is now live. Fall collection is out now. Karmaruz, you money.
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A
Happy belated birthday when this airs. Your birth today is September 3rd. This airs September 4th. Tomorrow is your birthday. You're going to be 40 years old.
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C
This does not air September 4th. This airs next week, you idiot.
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A
I meant to say today is September 3rd where we're recording your birthday is tomorrow September 4th, and then this airs on the 9th. So it will have been your birthday. You're going to turn 40 years old. So how do you feel?
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C
Okay. That's aggressive. I'm turning 35. I feel great.
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A
You and Lindsay are in the 35 and older club.
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C
You'll be there soon.
- [59:55]
A
No, I won't.
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C
Yeah, you will.
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A
No. Where can people find you?
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C
Hater25? Listen to for the haters at. For the haters as well. You can listen to it wherever you get your podcast. Come and join the group. I just said group. Anyway, bye. Love you.
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A
See ya. Foreign.
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