New Boundaries, Same Chaos

Summary

Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter

Episode: "New Boundaries, Same Chaos"
Release Date: January 20, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Kail Lowry and Becky Hayter bring their signature unfiltered banter to the table as they catch up in person, rekindle their friendship, and discuss the new boundaries and same old chaos of their lives as 30-somethings. The conversation bounces from personal growth and co-parenting drama, to new travel plans, parenting joys and struggles, IVF decisions, hilarious misadventures, pop culture commentary, side hustles, and their ongoing quest for balance amid life’s unpredictable mix of karma and chaos.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Rekindling Friendship & Recording In Person

• The pair discuss how rare and meaningful it is for them to record together in person and how much they save their real conversations for the podcast.
• Kail admits she’d appreciate a “trigger warning” text before big statements or internet drama:
  • “Next time I'd like maybe a text like, hey, warning, warning, trigger warning.” (07:09)
• They tease each other about each other’s energy, love-hate banter, and the reality of friendships evolving in adulthood.
• Memorable Moment: Kail shows up, exhausted but happy after her first seven-hour stretch of sleep in six months due to her newborn:
  • “I slept seven hours straight for the first time in six months.” (01:02)

Boundaries, Drama, and “Controversial Kail”

• Kail declares 2026 “the year of messy” for her — she’s done being the bigger person in the public eye when drama unfolds.
  • “Controversial Kale is back for 2026. Because being the bigger person literally got me nowhere.” (04:50)
• Becky tries to mediate, suggesting there’s a middle ground between total silence and “full-blown productions” of drama:
  • “I think when we talk about you being controversial, we just allow you to be yourself and make jokes about the controversies.” (04:08)
• The issue of co-parenting with Chris arises, including failed podcast appearance negotiations and ongoing public drama:
  • “For the first time on any podcast, I also invited Chris on the podcast and he said I have to pay him $20,000 or nothing.” (04:56)

Parenting Philosophies, Personal Growth & Family Updates

• Kail and Becky dig into co-parenting struggles, the stress of public perceptions, and how their children’s well-being always comes first.
  • Kail vents about negative comments regarding her co-parenting:
  • "I'm tired of hearing people say that I do the same thing when I have literally not." (06:11)
• Kail and Becky both get candid about discovering what it means to set boundaries as parents, friends, and people in their thirties.

Upcoming Travel & Live Shows

• Kail announces an upcoming trip to London with her family for her sons’ soccer, and potential live show while there:
  • “We're going to London. Lincoln and Lux are playing soccer over there. And while we're there...maybe we should do a live show.” (09:41)
• Discussion of traveling further—Belgium, Scotland, Ireland, and shows in Missouri are all floated.
• Plans emerge for US trips as well, including Becky’s desire to visit Lake Tahoe and Kail’s plans to travel with Leah and Bex.

IVF Decisions & Motherhood Reflections

• Kail reveals she’s decided not to undergo another round of IVF for the foreseeable future, which has brought her a sense of relief and freedom to plan her year:
  • “I have decided for the foreseeable future that I will not be doing another round of IVF.” (13:16)
• She and Leah have had deep conversations about what is best for their family, with a focus on cherishing their son Bex and being grateful for the present.
  • “That's kind of always been my motto of life is just, like, being so thankful for what you have.” (15:50)
• Becky reflects on her own experience with closely spaced pregnancies and missing moments with her children due to back-to-back pregnancies.

Pop Culture & Book Talk

• Becky starts reading “Fourth Wing” but gets derailed by the overproduction of the audiobook (“thought it was an ad”) (22:05), and they have a laugh about trying different audiobook styles.
• New movies like “The Housemaid” (starring Sydney Sweeney and Amanda Seyfried) are hot topics, with Becky’s enthusiastic review and a side chat about actors’ real-life drama.
  • “Amanda Seyfried played the crazy role so perfectly.” (26:02)

Side Hustles & Feet Finder

• Kail shares the (tongue-in-cheek) news that she made her first $85 on Feet Finder, detailing the process and fielding Becky’s questions:
  • “Officially today, Kail's newest entrepreneurship. We finally earned $85 today on Feet Finder.” (27:37)
  • “Feet are tired.” (27:46)
  • They discuss the oddness, logistics, and humor in selling feet pics (and dirty gym socks).

Parenting Challenges & Candid Moments

• Kail shares a touching story about her son Creed selling his clothes on Poshmark to buy new t-shirts, and the small victories in teaching kids about entrepreneurship.
• She opens up about her new approach to bedtime rituals—laying with one kid per night due to exhaustion and her kids’ surprising maturity when she needs a night off:
  • "If you needed a night to yourself, you should have just said that." (Lux, via Kail, 48:52)

Dollar Store Gifts & Childhood Lessons

• A lively follow-up on their Dollar Store debate: listeners chime in about teaching kids budgeting and gift-giving with both support and hilarious stories:
  • One listener recounted their kid buying a gravestone cross for a relative because they loved it. (44:03)
• Both agree thrift store gifts might be the “happy medium” for teaching budgeting and thoughtfulness.

Communication & Self-Awareness in Kids

• Kail’s son Lincoln sends an apologetic and self-aware text after realizing he made fun of her Spanish, furthering their admiration for their kids’ emotional intelligence:
  • "I'm sorry if I made fun of your Spanish. I didn't mean any of it. I thought you were taking it as a joke." (Lincoln, 51:41)

Pop Culture, New Year’s Eve, and Generational Gaps

• They chat about Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper’s New Year's Eve show, the importance of lighthearted TV traditions, and how pop culture touchstones change as you age.
• Becky’s surprise at never having seen the show prompts laughter about their generational and geographical differences.

Is It Karma or Is It Chaos? (Listener Letter, 56:54)

• A listener shares a dilemma about a boyfriend who shares his location with his mother, whose invasive behavior is cramping the relationship.
  • Becky’s take: “If I asked my boyfriend to stop sharing his location with his mom because she was doing weird sh*t and he didn’t, I’m breaking up with you. That’s weird.” (57:30)
  • Kail’s take: The problem isn’t sharing the location, but the weird behavior and lack of boundaries.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On setting boundaries in adulthood:
  • "Being the bigger person literally got me nowhere… so now it’s like, well, I might as well put it out there anyway." (Kail, 04:50)
• On motherhood and gratitude:
  • "Being so thankful for what you have just makes life so much more enjoyable." (Becky, 15:50)
• On entrepreneurial kids:
  • "He goes up there and gets like 10 T shirts and sells them and is all excited. And he’s like, can we go to Dick’s now? I need to create a little entrepreneur out of him." (Kail, 13:06)
• On feet pics side hustles:
  • "I'm gonna put my feet in mashed potatoes, I think." (Becky, 28:31)
• On pop culture divides:
  • "I love the movies now...I wanted to go on a daty date. And he [Ike] was like, why the fuck did you bring me to this?" (Becky, 26:00)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:02] — Kail celebrates her first full night of sleep in six months
• [04:50] — “Controversial Kail” returns, and the messy vs. mature debate
• [09:41] — Announcing the London trip & live show plans
• [13:16] — Kail’s decision not to do another IVF round (and discussion on motherhood)
• [22:05] — “Fourth Wing” audiobook debate and pop culture chat
• [27:37] — Kail’s Feet Finder side hustle and the feet pic saga
• [44:03] — Recap and listener input on the Dollar Store gifts debate
• [48:52] — Story about Lux’s bedtime and emotional communication
• [51:41] — Lincoln’s sincere, self-aware apology about Spanish teasing
• [56:54] — “Is it Karma or Is it Chaos?”: listener letter about boyfriend’s overbearing mom

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Tone and Style

This episode maintains Kail and Becky’s signature mix of raw honesty, humor, and self-deprecation. The conversation is fast-paced, filled with side stories, and full of friendly roasts and genuine affection. Listeners are treated to candid glimpses into both hosts’ parenting journeys, relationship boundaries, and the kinship that comes from sharing both the chaos and karma of real life.

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For New Listeners

You don’t need to be caught up or a long-time follower to enjoy this episode:

• The hosts reintroduce their dynamic and key life events naturally
• The show covers relatable topics on friendship, parenting, self-care, and handling public drama, all in an approachable, engaging manner
• Listeners can appreciate both thoughtful moments of growth and the unapologetic humor about everything from IVF stress, to feet pics, to getting lost in the wrong house at night with a Slim Jim
• Pop culture references, parenting gems, and candid listener Q&As keep the episode lively and accessible

Fans of real talk, parenting communities, and millennial friendship podcasts will find a lot to relate to in "New Boundaries, Same Chaos."

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Transcript

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[C]

What's up, everyone? And welcome back to Karma and Chaos coming at you live. I woke up here. I slept seven hours straight for the first time in six. Six months.

[D]

I'm so happy for you. And I did not even think about the fact that you probably have not slept like that in. In six months.

[C]

Yeah, I saw your Snapchat. No one's up yet. No, I have a newborn at home. Anyways, I'm here in Delaware. We are making a 2026 priority for us to record in person.

[D]

Yeah. And I just got my personality about two minutes ago. So I'm waking up.

[C]

There was zero excitement to see me. This.

[D]

That is such a bullshit bold face lie. I got up off my ass and got up and hugged you so tight.

[C]

Yeah. And that was it. You weren't like, oh, my God, it's so nice to see you.

[D]

You had just opened your eyeballs.

[C]

I remember. I wasn't.

[D]

I just want to say I'm so glad that you're here in person. Okay. I am so glad. And there's lots that I need to update you on now.

[C]

She's just doing it for the camera. So here we go. Okay.

[D]

If I do and damned if I don't, stop being an Internet troll right now.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

You're never going to be happy with me. It doesn't matter what I do.

[C]

Can we just take one minute? Can you just. Because we don't talk. Everyone listening? We do not talk unless we're recording a podcast. I think. I don't know why we do, but.

[D]

Not about anything with substance. Because we save it for you guys.

[C]

You fair? Are we like. I was not forewarned in life and I feel like I should be on the list of people that are forewarned when we make decisions like oh, I'm going to be messy this year.

[D]

I was supposed to tell you that.

[E]

Are you?

[C]

Yeah. Say literally. Yeah. Like, I should get a text like, hey, we're messy this year. Like, feel free to do what you want on the Internet.

[D]

I feel like I made a blanket statement.

[C]

No, I found out from the Internet and I was like, oh, is this what we're doing?

[D]

Yes. Controversial Kale is back for 2026. Because being the bigger person literally got me nowhere. Like, I cleaned up my act for a good three years. Like, at least two, but at least two. I didn't respond to lives that my kids dads were doing for a long time. So many things transpired. And people are going to believe what they're going to believe regardless. So whether I come out and say my. My side or not, they're. They may or may not believe me. And so, like, now it's like, well, I might as well put it out there anyway, because people are talking about it and it's circulating and it's going all over the place. So if it's going to go all over the place, make sure you get my side as well. And I have been conflicted on it, but overall, it's just like being the bigger person got me.

[F]

Where?

[D]

Where did it get me?

[C]

You know, I think there's a happy medium we can find here.

[D]

Okay, what is it?

[C]

I think that, like, there can be like, it's. You're an all or nothing kind of person. So, like, when those things happened, it was like my mind just went back to. It was like, bring them on the podcast right now. Let's get the full story. Let's put it. I'm like, bro, let's take a breath.

[D]

And let's just like, no, because what I'm pissed about.

[C]

Hear me out.

[D]

Okay, but can you hear me out too?

[E]

Okay, go first, Becky.

[D]

Okay, Like, Becky, hear me out.

[C]

No, Becky, you go. So, like, I think that you, like, you shine in. You shine in your natural flow state because you're really funny. So, like, I think that when we talk about you being controversial, I think that we just allow you to be yourself in the way that you say unhinged stuff. So, like, what we hear behind doors now, people will be able to get to here where it's like. Like, it's not going to add weight to you. It's like, you can make jokes about the controversies that are happening. You don't need to put a, like, full blown production on something that Chris said on live. It's like, you can now Just make jokes about what Chris said on Live when? Before. We just didn't talk about it.

[D]

I think that's fair. I think that's a really good happy medium. I also just want to say, for the first time on any podcast, I also invited Chris on the podcast and he said that I have to pay him $20,000 or nothing. So I just want to say that that was last month. And so, like, Chris, controversial Kale is.

[C]

Definitely back, which I want everyone to know. None of us agreed for that one. That was not it. My goal in life is for you to have good co parenting with all of your baby dads because life would just be better. And, like, I'm just kind of, like, tired of the Chris thing.

[D]

I think we all are.

[C]

And it's just like, dude, like, let's just. Where. Where can we move forward? I'm just, like, tired of it. Like, I'm tired of, like, the old being rehashed between you two. Because it's like, man, like, the kids are gonna get older. They're gonna start formulating their own opinions. They're gonna start, like, resenting both of you just for being like, for doing what is being done. And it's not at fault. Like, yeah, it's at fault to both of you, but, like, it's just like.

[D]

Him going live is not up. My fault.

[C]

No, Kale, but just like, in. In general, like, y', all, like, it isn't a one sided thing. Like, you both have history and you both.

[D]

No, because I'm actually tired of seeing and hearing that. I'm tired of hearing people say that I have. I do the same thing when I have literally not.

[C]

I'm not saying you do the same thing. You both have your own faults.

[D]

Yeah, of course.

[C]

Like, it's not like you're both innocent in, in like the world of your relationship. Like, but you're innocent now with wanting to just move forward. I'm not saying that you're doing the same thing that he is.

[D]

Why just read so many comments. Not saying, like, well, Kale doesn't stop talking about him on the podcast. Literally. I haven't talked for so long about him.

[C]

No.

[D]

And if I do, it gets edited out because I don't want that.

[C]

So. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying you're not an angel in.

[D]

I am an angel, actually.

[C]

Okay. Anyways, so next time I'd like a pre. I say this all to say I'd like a Little maybe text like, hey, warning, warning, trigger warning. I want a warning.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Next time. So I know because my name gets brought up. Like, people are tagging me and they're like, what do you think of this? And I'm like, I'm tired.

[D]

That's a good response.

[C]

That's literally what I keep responding to people is I'm tired. Okay, here we go now. I know. Let me get.

[D]

It's been really frustrating for me because I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't.

[C]

I do have. I do think so. There's that little chart that's going around that's like. Like what you are compared to Janelle. And I do think friends with Becky should be on there. I think.

[D]

Were you friends with Janelle?

[C]

Point proven.

[D]

It's like Janelle said, I don't have any friends.

[C]

No. But, like, it's. It shows, like, what your pros are and what, like, she doesn't.

[D]

Positive attribute is that I'm friends with you and she doesn't have you. Yeah, 1,000%. I think we should do our own whiteboard.

[C]

Talking about whiteboards. What's the point of having a big ass calendar when you have nothing. One. Nothing on it?

[D]

No, I did write a bunch of stuff on it, and then I didn't like my handwriting, and the ADHD meds are medicating, so then I erased everything.

[C]

That's fine. But also, what's the point of having a big ass calendar when your schedule changes in a blink of an eye?

[D]

It's the thought.

[F]

Yeah, right.

[D]

Like, it's the.

[C]

We all have thoughts that don't come to life.

[D]

No, no, It. It came to life. I just. I don't like my handwriting. Like, writing upright like this doesn't give, like, the full aesthetic of my handwriting. So it's been really challenging.

[C]

I think you're supposed to write it.

[D]

Before you put it up, but then it gets smudged.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Because it's like a dry erase marker. I don't know why I'm getting slack from you about trying to be a planning girly. Like, I don't know what. Like, I'm making efforts.

[C]

You know why? Because you know why it's triggering for me? Because we make plans and then they get canceled 20 times. And it's like, how do you have a calendar that can't be changed with a click of a button?

[D]

You know, maybe I will use that calendar solely for, like, office items where I'm blocking the day.

[C]

Well, I think you're supposed to, like, the point of it is, from my understanding of what I've seen is, like, so you can big picture see and make sure you're prioritizing, like, also, like, vacations and, like, not having work every day. So, like, color, like, maybe just, like, doing boxes of. This is a work day. This is vacation day. Like, you don't have to have specific.

[D]

Events stickers for it. I just. It's literally the first stickers, January, and you're giving me a lot of issues about a calendar. Like, I just. I need you to bear with me, okay?

[C]

You need to buckle down because I.

[D]

Haven'T medicated for a month and a half, nine days. I have so many things to fill you in on, and one of them is London. So for those of you who. Guys who don't know, I did announce it on my, like, public Facebook page that we're going to London. Lincoln and Lux are playing soccer over there. And while we're there, I was like, well, maybe we should do a live show. And then Becky was like, I want to go. And so she texted me, what, two days ago and was like, I'm in for London. So it's happening. We're going to London.

[C]

We're going to London. If Leah and Bex comes, we're gonna go to Belgium and Scotland, too. I think if we make, like, a full trip of it.

[D]

We're only doing one show, though.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Like, I don't think that I have the capacity to do more than one. Only because I don't know what this soccer schedule will be.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And then I'll still have Creed.

[C]

I think it's fair. It's exciting, though, I think. I mean, hopefully, people. I don't. Do we have fans in London? Comment down below.

[D]

Yeah, let us know, please let us know. Tag us if you're from there or just fly there. It's fine.

[C]

Well, we have a lot of fans in Ireland. You have a lot of fans in Ireland?

[D]

Yeah, I wish I had. If I. I mean, it's like a.

[C]

Hop, skip, and a jump, right? What do they say right over the pond?

[D]

I don't know. That there's a pond.

[C]

That's a thing.

[F]

Right across.

[D]

Across the pond.

[F]

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[D]

I know that you, Creed is like your son and I needed to tell you this because I thought it was so cute.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Rebecca and I have been listing things on Poshmark and Creed. I like said it and he must have overheard and he was like, well, I want to get new T shirts. And I said, creed, if you want new T shirts, like you have to go in your closet and pick out shirts for donation and shirts for Poshmark because I try to split between the two. And he's like, okay. He goes up there and gets like 10 T shirts and sells them and is all excited. And he's like, can we go to Dick's now? And I'm like, this is. I need to create a little entrepreneur out of him.

[C]

Yeah, I mean that's fantastic. What a, like, great lesson.

[D]

No, he was so excited. He's like, I'm going to go get new shirts now. Like, so excited.

[C]

That's my child.

[D]

I know.

[C]

The reason that I confirmed so the Reason I'm like, oh, yeah, I can definitely do London is because I've had a change of mindset of life and right now, and things can change things. But, like, I have decided for the foreseeable future that I will not be doing another round of ivf. And because of that, I was able to be like, oh, like, no, it's. You know, I'm. There's no chance of me being pregnant in August. I can definitely go.

[D]

So with that being said, does that mean that Leah will be doing another round of ivf?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Could she potentially be pregnant during that time? No, not this year.

[C]

No.

[D]

You're gonna hold off?

[C]

Yeah. Okay. Because so what happened was Leah came up to me and in the nicest way possible said, I don't think that it would be good if you ever became pregnant. She's like, I don't think you would be able to handle all the things that come along with it. And she's like, and if you don't want. If that's not something you're passionate about, there's zero reason for you to be put through the wringer of postpartum. What it does to your body. She's like, I. I don't. She's like, I don't think that it would be good for anyone. She wants to be pregnant through summer and doesn't want to give birth during summer. She was really miserable of, like, not being able to enjoy it with, like.

[D]

And it's just hard with, like, a newborn and stickiness. So, like, if you're outside and you already feel bigger and just, like, not in your own body, and then you have this, like, newborn and you're just sweaty and hot, and the baby's sweaty and hot, and it's just a lot. Yeah.

[C]

But I will tell you, like, after that conversation, like, the weight that it lifted, like, I was not looking forward to this year. I was like, so just. I felt like I had, like, a cloud above me of. I couldn't think of anything I was going to enjoy because the thought, like, oh, I'm probably going to be pregnant. I'm not going to be able to enjoy my summer with Bex. Enjoy my, like. And I can't plan any travel things because of it. So it did wonders to my mental health of, like, being relieved of the concept of, like, me having to carry.

[D]

Would you guys be happy with just Becks.

[C]

Oh, 100. If, like, we. If Leah. We've talked about that during, like, when I went through my miscarriage, like, Leah was like, if this is what is just meant for us. Like, we have a perfect child. Like, this life will be great with just him. So I'll cry right now. Don't say. It's literally, like, 10:30 and I'm about to get my period, too.

[F]

Me too.

[D]

You're supposed to be here three days ago. And some. I can't get pregnant, so it's. Don't worry about it.

[C]

But, like, we. But that's how, like, that's kind of always been my motto of life is just, like, being so thankful for what you have, it just makes life that, like, so much more enjoyable. So. Yeah. Would we be happy with Bex? Hell, yeah. But Leah also said, like, I. She's like, I didn't go through my pregnancy with him thinking it was my last one. And so at some point, I think she would mourn, not, like, not having the opportunity to feel like, oh, this is my last time doing this. Let me enjoy, like, let me savor a little bit more. Yeah, I have chills. So, yeah, that's kind of where we're at. And, like, also, I'm excited to have this year with, like, Bex now. And, like, we get to travel, we get to do things. We get to, like, not that. Like, another, like, and I'll be excited when we have if. If. And when we have another kid, too.

[D]

But, like, no, I do think that. And, like, obviously, whatever you guys decide is your choice in your business and whatever works for your family is great. But I. I have to be honest with you, and I obviously never said this to you, but, like, I was concerned about even reciprocal. Reciprocal ivf when you guys are going to do it at the same time if y'. All.

[C]

Yeah, that was.

[D]

In some ways, it's really cool because seeing my twins, it sort of would have been like that. But also just getting pregnant back to back. Like, I cannot tell you how hard that was for me with Rio and the twins. Like, literally, I was. It was. He was four months old when I got pregnant.

[C]

That's crazy.

[D]

So, like, it was.

[C]

That's wild.

[D]

And, like, even now, like, it's. It's challenging. I love it. There are definitely pros and cons of having kids closer together, and then there are pros and cons of having them a little bit further apart. So I definitely would support no matter what. But I was. I was just concerned because it's like, I feel like I missed out on so much with Rio because I was pregnant right away.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So I. Like. And I've said this, but I don't think Anyone. I don't know how serious anyone takes me. Like, when I sat down while I was pregnant with the twins, there was no getting back up. When I laid down, there was no getting back up. So, like, Elijah had to take a lot of that on and, like, really, like, throughout the night and, like, the bonding moments that I should have been able to enjoy with him, I kind of didn't get to.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And so that worried me a little bit for you guys, for sure. Obviously, you have a great partner, and so that's always going to be helpful. But it did concern me a little bit. But then in other ways, like, I do love having, like, my Irish triplets.

[C]

So when I was pregnant, for that short bit, I was miserable and, like, I wasn't enjoying Leah. I wasn't enjoying Bex. Like, I was, like, miserable. And that, like, even in that point, I was like, holy. Like, this is gonna be a lot. Everything would have been fine in any scenario of what we went through. If Lee and I ended up being pregnant together, we would have figured it out. It would have been nightmare, chaos. Eventually it would have, like, sorted itself out. Lee also wants to, like you said, like, she wants to bounce back first before she does it again, which might sound like it's counterproductive, but she's like, I want to feel myself and. And, like, get my body back. Because she said she also wasn't very intentional in the first pregnancy of, like, trying to take care of herself, and she' going to be more intentional. So that, like, the aftermath of. Of birth is a little bit easier because she's struggling with, like, her weight gain and. And, like, just the emotions and the hormone shading. She stopped breastfeeding. So, like, she's going through the hormones of. Of, like, you know, doctor, like, drying up and all the things.

[D]

So I think that just to your point about, like, like, her body or whatever, when I got pregnant with looks, I was at, like, my most fit I had ever been. And I'm talking, like, strength. I was doing CrossFit six days a week. I was doing jiu jitsu. And looking back on all of my labor and deliveries, I really, truly, wholeheartedly believe that he shot out like a bat out of hell. And I had the easiest birth with him because I was so fit.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, literally 90 minutes flat from start to finish. That included my water breaking and all my. Like, I literally pushed twice and he shot out. And so, like, I really attribute that to, like, my fitness at that time, for sure.

[C]

Yeah, I think that.

[D]

So, like, if. If anyone Needs any notes of encouragement, like, during their pregnancy. Like, they want to be fit, but they're like, is this really going to benefit me? 1,000%? Yes. 1,000%. Yeah.

[C]

So.

[D]

But I'm happy for you guys. I think, too, like, once she feels better about her body and herself, like, you guys can also, like, you might have a different idea. Then you might.

[C]

Yeah. And our minds might change. Maybe I, like, something happens or I'm like, this come to Jesus moment of maybe I do. But, like, at this point, like, I have no.

[D]

Enjoy the year. He's gonna be one this year, so it's like, crazy. Enjoy.

[C]

Six months old. That's wild.

[D]

I know.

[C]

He sits like he's, like a little.

[D]

Person when he's the happiest baby.

[C]

Literally. And, like, I know that social media is fake. Like, like, so fake. But Bex is literally the happiest child. Like, he is like that all the time.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, he is. Yeah. He's a bundle of joy.

[D]

I love it.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, outside of that, I'm trying to think of what other updates that I have for you, but I think they'll probably just come to me sporadically.

[C]

Yeah. So, like, just the main thing that I'm looking to get an update on. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[D]

What is the update that you're looking.

[C]

Just go ahead.

[D]

Elliot's car is in the garage.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So I want you to see that today. What else were you.

[C]

Did you see it?

[D]

No.

[C]

Well, he was here.

[D]

That's why I was like, oh, no. Rebecca barricaded the door so he wouldn't go in the garage. I've been hiding that. The car in this content house garage. What were you. What major update were you looking for?

[C]

Just something that I've been like, we've been arguing back for.

[D]

I started fourth wing.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

I started it. You were correct about the full. Full production. I hated it.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So I have to start over with because I'm going to tell you why.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

So you sent me both options, everyone, for anyone listening, I know that the book talk on here is a little hit or miss. Some people love it or hate it. Just skip to the next five minutes if you don't want to hear this, but Becky has been, like, harassing me to start fourth wing. And I, like, didn't want to do it, and then I said I would, and now I did. She sent me both options. The full production audio and then also, like, the regular one.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So I get in the car and I'm driving to Virginia and I play it. Like, I press Play. And I'm like, oh, it's just an ad. So I just keep going about my business, doing whatever, and the ad never ends. It wasn't an ad. It was the full production. So now I have to start over because I'm like, I thought this was an ad because it sounded like it had like effects.

[C]

I didn't, I didn't listen to the full production. I hate it. Yeah.

[D]

So I was like, I get six minutes in and I'm starting over because I'm like, what is going on?

[C]

Okay.

[D]

And there's like a dragon and the mom and the dad and the sister.

[F]

Right, Mira? Yeah.

[D]

So I plan to start the regular one when I go back to Virginia for Lincoln. I could see why people think that I would like it. Like, I was pleasantly surprised at Hunger Games. I had watched like bits and pieces of the movie and I actually really liked it. And I feel like it's kind of giving that vibe.

[C]

Yeah. I, I more like explain it as like a R rated Harry Potter because it is like school based.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Like it.

[D]

You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But so, yeah, I did start it and I just wanted to, I wanted to save that update for the podcast. And so I'm, I do typically like full cast and some of the.

[C]

It's a lot though. It's like for that.

[D]

I think when you're new to this genre, like fantasy, it's too much for me and I don't know what.

[C]

I knew that was gonna happen.

[D]

I didn't because I usually love full production. I did not listen to Beautiful Ugly. I read the physical copy of Beautiful Ugly, which is not fantasy. I heard that that full production had like the sound effects and things like that, but that was a thriller, so I feel like it's a little bit different for sure. Foreign. This episode of karma and chaos is.

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[D]

You went to see the house made? I saw it twice in the movie theater.

[C]

Cool.

[D]

Loved it. So good.

[C]

Heard it was good.

[D]

Yeah, it was. So it's already picked up for a sequel.

[C]

Because there's more books?

[D]

No, because it grossed, like, in the first week. I think it grossed 130.

[C]

But, like, is it on the other books or. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Like, it'll be the second book. I think. I didn't read the second, but it grossed. I think the budget was, like, 35 million. And it grossed in the first week, like 133 million.

[C]

Oh, wow. How was Sydney Sweeney in it?

[D]

Love her. First of all, I don't know anything about Sydney Sweeney outside of that jeans, that, like, denim campaign. And I felt really bad because I don't. I didn't really know what was going on.

[C]

And I. I feel like her dating Scooter Braun is a little talent.

[D]

So who is that?

[C]

It's like, the guy that screwed over, like, Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift.

[D]

Like, she's dating him.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, she's a little scandalous.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But she's really hot.

[F]

She's so hot.

[D]

But I want to talk about Amanda Seyfried because she. I'm seeing a lot of mixed reviews on her role in that movie, which is shocking to me because I literally walked away from that mov saying that Amanda Seifried played the crazy role so perfectly.

[C]

The cons that I saw, which I could. I haven't seen the movie. The cons that I saw that I could understand is that in the book, it is so portrayed that she, like, let herself go. And that was, like, such a huge part of, like, the, like, the purpose of the book.

[D]

She let herself go in the movie.

[C]

That's the cons that I saw.

[D]

So, like, I think she let herself go in the movie. Like, I feel like she. Because she's spiraling her lips are always drying in the movie.

[C]

Like, a physical. Like, her bot. Her appearance was let.

[D]

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, let go.

[C]

But I haven't seen the movie yet. When do I have time? I miss the movies.

[D]

I love the movies now. And I, like, Ike went to go see it the second time with me because I was like, you have to see this. Like, I want to go see it again. And I wanted to go on, like, a little daty date. And he. We went to the movies, and he was like, why the did you bring this to me? Bring me to this. This is so good. Like, and he never read the book, and he loved it.

[C]

I. When I. After finished reading it, I said, oh, I could see how this is going to be a really good mov.

[D]

Oh, it was so good.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But anyways, we don't have to talk about books this whole time, because I know that people love it or hate it. So.

[G]

Officially today, Kale's newest entrepreneurship. We finally earned 85 today on feet finders. Officially. Officially.

[D]

Do you want to take some feet pics with me? Can I exploit our feet together?

[C]

I'm tired.

[D]

No, no, please.

[G]

It's just the feet, though.

[D]

It's just the feet. Like, you don't have to do any. Like, we could just put.

[C]

Feet are tired.

[D]

The souls, specifically. They want pictures of the souls.

[C]

I have so many questions about this.

[D]

Let's talk about it. So I got a pedicure. Like, I had already gotten one that day and took a shower, and we were like, he. The person requested, like, the soles. Like, pictures of my souls, too. Like, my feet soles. So I was like, perfect. Took a shower so my feet would be nice and, like, clean and soft. And then he, like, took the pictures.

[C]

Do they know it's you?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Oh, no.

[C]

They do.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

I think that your feet look so ugly in that photo.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

Souls requested. And one more. Just little tattoo action.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Do you want to take some feet pics with me? I'm gonna put my feet in mashed potatoes, I think.

[F]

I'm sorry.

[C]

I'm so tired.

[D]

Did you hear what I said?

[C]

I'm sitting right here.

[D]

I. I just want to make sure you hear me.

[C]

Like, Thanksgiving dinner, kind of.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

Where your toes are. The peas.

[D]

Oh, okay. Styled by Beck. Styled by Becky. I love this style feet. Styled by Becky. Like, I'm gonna splish, splash them, I think, in the bathroom.

[C]

What. What was the conversation that got you here?

[D]

It was a. It started off as a joke.

[E]

It's because Becky, like, I swear to God, Every piece of content Kale takes, we would get a dump in the drive. And there's constantly videos of her feet and pictures of her dogs. And I'm like, why are you putting your feet everywhere? First of all, no free feed pick.

[D]

The thing is, if I type in feet to my phone, like, I wonder.

[E]

There's gonna be so many. Every piece.

[D]

Wait, but I should send them to Ike so that he can.

[G]

Please, I need that.

[C]

Can you sell stuff on that, too? Like, people can buy, like, socks of yours. Like, and you could ship them.

[D]

They asked for my dirty gym socks. They did request those, so.

[C]

So, like, my thing about feet picks is like, like, you. The world is anyone's oyster with AI. Like, like, why are you paying for something you can just.

[D]

Because it's not the same as having, like, a personal interaction. I think that's more so what it is. It's like, they're getting the feet but also having the interaction.

[F]

Wow.

[C]

Let me know if, like, real money comes of this.

[D]

I will, because. Do you want to take some with me? So we have them, though, like, and.

[C]

I'll get a pedicure. I think we should just leave my feet out of it for right now.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But it's just an option if you want to reconsider.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

It's like, yeah.

[C]

I mean, good. Congrats.

[D]

Thanks. Thank you.

[C]

Add it to the list of things.

[D]

That dollars is a good amount. I feel for, like, a picture. So, yeah, that's where we're at with Feet Finder. Thank you so much.

[C]

Okay, so that's a lot to take. Taken a little bit. Not surprised, right? Like, there's nothing you could do that would be surprising to me, I think, at this point in life.

[F]

Okay.

[C]

I. I. There was something that I was trying to put together myself, and I couldn't. And so I was hoping you could clarify for me.

[D]

I'm scared.

[C]

I saw a clip of you. I saw a clip of you and Matt talking. It looked like an old clip. And you told him that he looked like one of your ex girlfriends who.

[D]

Same build. No, Same cut.

[C]

Literally, they looked nothing alike. And I was like, did she date someone that I am unaware of?

[D]

No. They had the same haircut. They had the same body.

[C]

Disagree.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Just to let everyone know, I should have started this episode out with this. I got in to this content house super late. Rebecca texted me. She said, hey, here's your code to get in. It's a red house, blah, blah, blah. I pull up the street first. Red house. Pull in, go to the door. I'm, like, tapping on the lock thing. It's not showing. Like, there's no numbers there. Nothing. I'm, like, there for a solid five minutes. I text her. I say, hey, sorry for the late text. The numbers aren't showing up. Then all of a sudden, hey, can I help you? Comes over the ring. And I'm like, that voice doesn't sound familiar. I'm like. She's like, this is seven. Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, my God, this is the wrong house. I am so. So. I'm like. And she, like, said something else. She's like, it's okay, people. Like, they all look the same. I'm like, I. I'm so sorry it's so late. She's like, honey, it's okay. I was so embarrassed. I was like, imagine I got just shot through the door. I guess I looked innocent. Like, I had my backpack on. I had a slim Jim in my hand.

[D]

So Slim Jim.

[C]

You could probably see the ring. Pull up the ring footage from when I walked in. I probably had the slim Jim, like, in my mouth. I'm like, okay, finally. So it's the house over.

[D]

Well, I'm glad you made it, and I'm glad that nothing happened to you.

[C]

It was. It was wild. I'm just.

[D]

That's. If that happened to me, like, where I'm in the house. I'm calling 91 1. It doesn't matter how innocent you look. I'm literally calling 91 1.

[C]

I know, but I looked like. I was, like, looking like, for maybe. I don't know.

[D]

That would terrify me. I just overthink.

[C]

I had my kitty shirt on. So it was like you were like.

[D]

Just a kitty cat looking for its home.

[C]

I sent you a picture of before I came here, and I got no comment.

[D]

Yesterday was a long day for me. I had 40 days.

[C]

A long day.

[D]

No, that one was an especially long day. I had four interviews, and it was just a long day. So I was just like. My phone was on do not disturb all day long because I. My. Like, I would be recording, and if I feel my phone vibrate or my watch vibrate, I need to check it. So I've been putting it on do not disturb. And so that also probably had something to do with it.

[C]

I feel like I've been.

[D]

You know, I feel like I also hearted that picture of you. I'm gonna check.

[C]

I have.

[D]

No, I sure didn't.

[C]

I have called. I have FaceTimed her a lot this week. How many times did you answer?

[F]

None.

[D]

Maybe. Maybe once. Maybe twice.

[C]

Okay, so we brought up Missouri the last time one of these podcasts, because that's where it was. Derek and Rachel, we love Derek. That's where they're from. We have so many fans in Missouri.

[D]

I know. I was actually blew up. I have never been to Missouri. I just have an ex that is imprisoned there. So, like, I've never been. So I don't. We should go.

[C]

Yeah, but isn't that crazy that, like, so many people are from Missouri?

[D]

Well, we could go see the St. Louis lunatics when they go on tour.

[C]

What is that? Seriously, don't pull this. You didn't even know what the Louvre was. She just looked at me like I didn't know who her mom was.

[D]

Up to 15 seconds of it. I know that's not by the Saint Lunatics, but Nelly was part of the Saint Lunatics, and I don't know if he still is. So we could go on. We could go see them, and then we could also do a live show.

[C]

Are they In Missouri?

[F]

Yeah, St. Louis.

[C]

Are they in a residency there?

[D]

What do you mean? That's where they're from.

[C]

Oh, they're not on tour.

[D]

They're going on tour. It's Nelly. Like, I was gonna marry him. His 5 foot 5 ass was going to be my husband. You don't understand.

[C]

They're playing in St. Louis.

[D]

They're from St. Louis. Like, oh, my God, you're stressing me out. You're really. Hold on. Because there's literally a song.

[C]

I'm so tired.

[F]

Remember?

[E]

This reminds me of when we were in the limo and Kale was so mad and Lindsay put on that.

[F]

That weird poster song, and we were.

[E]

Just bumping in a little, and Kale's just.

[D]

But it's just, like, you are not excited about this. Like, Nelly. And then m having. Like, we can make the concert and also write it off for a show.

[C]

But is there a concert date? Like, that's what, like, at this moment.

[D]

I don't know.

[C]

That's what I mean. Like, you're making this whole thing up in your head. But she's just assuming they're gonna go there.

[D]

They're from there. They live there.

[C]

And you're from Delaware.

[D]

I'm not from Delaware. I'm from Northeast Pennsylvania. So we're gonna go. We're gonna have a live tour date. I'm deciding this right now. We're gonna coordinate a live show in Missouri with the Saint Lunatics album Slash tour.

[C]

Okay, I'm in.

[D]

Okay.

[F]

Thank you.

[D]

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[C]

I'm glad that we cleared that up. Got through that.

[D]

Yeah, for sure. I'd never been to Missouri.

[C]

I've never been to Missouri either.

[D]

Sign me up.

[C]

So here we come.

[D]

Let's do it.

[C]

Yeah. I'm in.

[D]

I'm in.

[C]

I'm not gonna be pregnant.

[F]

Great.

[D]

Me neither.

[C]

Me and Leah are going to go to the west coast this year. You are?

[D]

We're going to Lake Tahoe. Come.

[C]

No, thank you. We are gonna go to.

[E]

It was just so dry. Thank you. It's like actually, no thank you.

[C]

Because she says we're doing a million things and like. Are you actually going to Lake Tahoe?

[D]

Yes.

[E]

Is it booked?

[C]

It will be.

[F]

Okay.

[C]

What? For what? When?

[D]

I just want to go for fun. I've never been. I really want to go. Yeah, it's been on my bucket list for a long time.

[C]

It's a maybe.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Are you like running an Airbnb and stuff?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Can I get a room?

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Maybe when my kids are coming.

[C]

Yeah, My kid would come too.

[D]

Thank God. I hope you wouldn't leave him at home by himself.

[C]

Where's Lake Tahoe?

[D]

California and New Mexico, I believe something like that. Or Arizona. And.

[C]

Yeah, let me know. That could be a possibility. So Lee and I are gonna go out to Oregon.

[D]

Oh, fun.

[C]

And then road trip a little bit.

[D]

Okay. Do you want to take my camper?

[C]

No.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Because. Thank you, though, because we're not gonna drive there. We're gonna fly out so that we can road trip out there.

[D]

Did you know that there is an Airbnb type of service that you can rent out your campers? So I definitely think that I should consider doing that because I have not been able to use the camper outside of this. But, like, that would be a good option for you guys. You could get, like. You could do, like, a airbnb situation with the camp.

[C]

The thing about you and I is that we have conversations multiple times when you were gonna sell your first camper.

[D]

And I did. I sold it.

[C]

I know. I was there because I said I would almost buy it, but I said, you should put this up on. There's sites that have that you can rent your camera.

[D]

Oh, you were the one that told me.

[C]

Yes, I was solid.

[D]

Well, I'm gonna do it this year. I'm gonna do it because. Why not?

[C]

You should. Especially where you are.

[D]

Because people love camping where we're at.

[C]

Yeah. There's, like, places. RV parks and stuff. Yeah, it's a great idea.

[D]

I love that. Nevada. Okay, I don't. What did I say? Arizona.

[C]

You said New Mexico.

[D]

New Mexico. Yeah. Sorry. I meant Nevada, because my friend Lindsay Nicholson is from there, and she told me that it was. She had gone.

[C]

Who?

[D]

Lindsay Nicholson. You know her? I know you know her.

[F]

Her.

[E]

I told you, she does this to.

[G]

Me all the time.

[D]

You know her.

[C]

Let me see a picture.

[D]

You guys remember my friend Lindsay Nicholson? She was the cage fighter on 16 and pregnant. And then she came to my pothead launch party. She such a cute girl.

[C]

I don't know her.

[D]

Yes, you do. You both were at my pothead launch party.

[C]

I don't know you.

[D]

Do you there? We have pictures with her together.

[C]

No.

[D]

Okay, when I find them, I don't want to hear from you, okay? And I will find them.

[C]

No, you won't. You'll have Rebecca find them.

[D]

All the way off. Off.

[C]

Anyway, this year's a year of travel. I. I plan on spending all of my money making, like, just doing things and buying a pool heater. So that is my plan.

[D]

1. One piece of advice for you going into summer 2026. Six is don't leave your pool heater on all night for Multiple days, because I accidentally did that, and it drained my entire tank. And then I had no heat in the house, and I had to pay the emergency fees to have my tank filled for my house.

[C]

What is your. What is your pool heated by something.

[D]

That I had to get filled?

[C]

Propane. And propane is connected to the house, too. Our propane tanks are separate.

[D]

That's nice. I wish I did that, too, because it drained everything, and I had nothing. I had no hot water in the house.

[C]

I mean. Great tip. Thanks. I'm really trying to make memories this year.

[D]

Same. I feel like I did a lot of traveling last year, but they were places that, one, we've already been to a bunch of times. And two, like, the one place that we went, I could have taken my entire family out of the country for the cost that I paid to go to South Carolina. And I was really upset when I saw the price because I didn't know the price before I went. And so once I got there and I checked in, I was like. Like, I would not have booked this. I don't love it that. I don't like it that much. Like, I. I come because I thought it was, like, affordable.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And then when I saw the bill, I said, I will never come here again.

[C]

I have to fart so bad.

[D]

Leave that in. Leave it. Leave that in. Becky's been farting all morning. What just happened?

[C]

So another thing from the last episode. So I want to talk about the dollar store thing, because there was a lot. There was actually a lot of, like, back and forth. Some people are on your side. Some people are on my side. There was a lot of really great things that came out of the conversation, though, that I wouldn't even have thought of. Right. This one person was, like, saying how she does it because it helped. Helps teaches their kids budget, too. Budgets. And then there was this other person that was saying how she wished she did something like that because her kids now never think to buy gifts for people. And, like, they never buy gifts for their siblings, for their parents, because for. Don't. I'm not done. And then there was the other one that I sent you that was really funny.

[D]

No, that one was really funny where.

[C]

The kid bought a cross that was meant for a gravestone for someone. It was, like, because they loved it, and they bought it for, like, their. Like, it was, like, their grandfather or something, and they took, like, funny pictures of him, like, laying with it. That one got me good.

[D]

Can I talk now? Now?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay. So I just want to clarify that I'M not against taking your children to go get gifts. That's not what I'm against. What I am against is do not take my kids to the dollar store because I don't want the junk. So, like, go ahead, teach your kids budgets, but take them to Walmart.

[C]

Well, someone said to a thrift store.

[D]

Or a thrift store. I think a thrift store is a.

[C]

Great idea because you can get, like.

[D]

Real thing, like, like things that you could. I.

[C]

Even if it's like a T shirt.

[D]

See, like, I follow this one account on Tick Tock that I love, and she thrifts. Thrifts. All of her kids gifts from the thrift store, like, for Christmas and stuff. And it's like, she really puts a lot of effort into it. And obviously there are really quality items. Oh, like thousand. I support that over. And then I also follow another Tick Tock account that's like, what I thrifted and how I styled it for, like, house decor and so I could get behind that. I'm not like, you're hung up on the dollar store.

[C]

And I. I can understand that because of the quality of the items that, like, my point is, like, not picking out really expensive things for, like, it's like the idea and concept behind what you're doing and not how much something is worth. So, like, thrift store is a great, great idea for me.

[D]

It's the quality of the item. I love the idea of, like, teaching your kids to budget number one and two, like, really teaching them how to gift and think of someone during a gifting time. So, like, in. In my opinion, it is whether you're in a split household or not. I do think that it is very like. And maybe because I'm. I feel like I kind of got a shitty end of the stick. Like, Javi, Joe and Chris do not help the kids get me anything for Mother's Day. They don't like. It's like, sort of like if the kids think about it, like, they might send me a card. But, like, whether you like me or not, like, it is your obligation as their father to, like, let them go pick something out, in my opinion. Or, like, make a card. I agree with that. And so this vice versa. Like, I. Despite how much my kids dads hate me, they get Father's Day gifts from me every year. They get Happy Father's Day. Usually not from me, but from the kids.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And I told Lincoln, I said, you know, this weekend we'll go pick out something for you to get for Elliot for his birthday. So Like, I think that it is important to teach kids like the like gift giving.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But I just don't want the dollar store quality sucks.

[F]

I agree.

[D]

Yeah. So that's all I have.

[C]

We can find the happy medium of going.

[D]

I think the thrift store is a fantastic idea.

[C]

One thing I did want to bring up up too is. Did you? Well, you probably were sleeping on New Year's Eve, right?

[F]

Yeah, I was.

[C]

Well, we were texting.

[D]

Yeah. And then I fell asleep.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Remember when she said in the beginning of the episode that we don't talk, but here she goes talking about how we were texting.

[C]

That was the last time we texted.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Wow. Feels like a lifetime ago.

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[D]

I slept in Lux's bed last night. And first let me just say that I walked upstairs last night and because actually I have to backtrack. So a lot of nights, more nights than not, all the kids want me to lay with them, so. And by all the kids, I really just mean the middle. So Lincoln, Lux and Creed. I started a new rule this week where it was, I'm gonna lay with one person every night because it has been very mentally draining with for me lately because I have so much going on and I have really long shoot days and I'm not getting home until late and I still have to shower, I still have to eat, I still have to get myself ready for bed. And so I had told them this week, like, I'm going to start doing laying with each of you every night. So that way you get more time individually and then whatever. Last night the kids go to bed and I didn't lay with them. So I'm like, okay, I'll read. They already went to bed. Lux comes down and he like wakes up and he comes down and he's like, but if you needed a night to yourself, he said, you should have said that. He said, you promised that you were gonna lay with me tonight.

[C]

What the.

[E]

Actually, that's like really effective communication.

[C]

Literally, like you texted me the other day. Also, something Lincoln said to you. And, like, it is so, like, away. Like, they are so self aware and so comfortable with communication. Like, wild.

[D]

Well, so I say all that to say that I looked at Ike, and I go, I have to be a man of my word. And now that he said that, and, like, he said it so nicely, and he literally just looked at me and was like, you. If you needed a night to yourself, you should have just said that. You told me you were gonna lay with me. Yeah, it was like, just the most intimate moment where he just looks up at me and he's like, if you needed a night change, I would have started crying. No. And I. When he, like, went back up to bed, I looked at him. I said, I have to be a.

[F]

Man of my word.

[D]

Like, let me finish this chapter, and then I'm gonna go up. So I finished the chapter, I go upstairs, and I find they sent him a picture. Buddha is in Lux's bed, and Lux is curled up on the floor. So I wake Lux up and put him in the extra bed in Lincoln's room, and I go lay in there, and I just slept all there. Slept there all night. I don't know what. Where I was going with this, actually.

[C]

That's okay. We still love you.

[D]

Sorry, I have no idea what. I don't know why I brought that up. I feel like I had a place that I was taking it, and I don't know now.

[C]

Okay, I was about to talk about New Year's Eve.

[D]

Wait. And then Becky, I want to read the text that Lincoln sent, and I want to give full context on that.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

So. So my dad, he's not my biological dad, but he's who I call my dad. His name's Adrian, and his wife, Seal Mata, is who watches the babies for me during the day. She's my child care during the week. Siomata doesn't speak English, and so I love it because I get to practice my Spanish all the time. Well, we're taught. I get home from Alabama, and I'm talking to my dad and Ciomata, and I'm like, yeah. And Matt was talking about how he wants to learn Spanish, but he's not really getting anywhere on the apps because they're just teaching him words and not sentences. And I told him to stick it, and if not, Cota can help him. And I. And Lincoln's sitting on the couch for this conversation, and I go, you know, I. I've had to take a step back from my Spanish because Lincoln just makes fun of me. All the time. And I'm saying it as a joke and everyone's just like laughing a little bit and I don't think anything of it. She's like, I don't really. I'm not speaking Spanish because Lincoln's like. And I. That's not true. I speak Spanish all the time. And Lincoln texts me at 8:21 and says, I'm sorry if I made fun of your Spanish. I didn't mean any of it. I thought you were taking it as a joke. I'm really sorry if I hurt your feelings. You are a very good Spanish speaker for a white person. Again, I'm really sorry.

[C]

But I mean communication, like what kids are like that self aware to follow up or follow through on. On something they heard and how they affected someone. Like, that's huge. That's crazy.

[D]

I sent him a text back and I said, lincoln, I love you so much. You can make fun of my Spanish all you want. And I sent him the selfie of me laughing and then he ignored me. But Lincoln is not like a super, super affectionate kid.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And when, when all of that actually happened, like in real time earlier that, that evening, I like made the joke that Lincoln made fun of my Spanish. But like, I thought he took it as a joke. Like I didn't know that he really took that to heart. And so it like broke my heart a little bit because I'm like, like for sure he thought I was taking him making. I am. I always take it as a joke.

[C]

You know, But I mean, it's like you hold weight in his mind. And I think that that's like such like a valuable thing to hold on to though.

[F]

I just, it was just funny.

[D]

You speak good Spanish for a white person.

[C]

That is very funny. Which actually reminds me, I saw this tik tok. It was a girl that was crying and she was saying how she had like disconnected from her best friend, like for whatever reasons. And when she got engaged, her like that person had texted her congratulations. And she said she didn't re. Like she didn't realize how. And similar to us. Right.

[D]

I was about to say that.

[C]

Yeah. Like, she said she didn't realize how much it would have affected her. But like it. She said it just shows that I still exist. Exist somewhere in her mind. And like that, that. And she was like, in that like made me like so emotional because like, you just never know where you stand with someone or how someone is still feeling about you and that they can exist separately not still being best friends, but like the Fact that she still existed for her meant so much to her. And I was like, damn.

[D]

I was like, right to the heart.

[C]

Like, put a dagger right into my heart. Yeah, but so.

[D]

But that's really similar to us, for sure.

[C]

That's crazy wild. I was like, oh, my.

[D]

And I didn't know. I didn't expect you to reach out at all after I, like.

[C]

Well, I guess. Thank God my dad died. Back to the thing. New Year's Eve. No, it's totally fine. You know, Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper are beefing.

[D]

No, no. Okay.

[F]

Are they.

[C]

That was like. That was like, the Gaelic thing. Like, they do a New Year's Eve show together every year.

[D]

But are they dating? No.

[C]

Oh, it is. It is. Just, I love watching the show now. Like, I feel like that's just a part of growing up, is like, I enjoy watching that New Year's Eve show more than I enjoy Joy. Most things, they are so funny. They let, like, one year, they didn't let them drink, and the ratings tanked so bad, so that they had to, like, continue. Because the year before, they just, like, let loose. Andy just let, like, he always says, unhinged, and it's always, like, political, and it's so crazy. Yeah.

[D]

I've never heard of this.

[C]

Oh, it's so good. But they had. I think it was. Who's that lesbian singer? Brandy Carlisle. Yeah, I think it was her that was on. They had her on, and they never heard of her. They did a segment that was Do Lesbians Give a Damn? And they went over, like, Hot Topics, and it was so funny. It was like he did Rival Aid. Rival. Rival.

[D]

Rivalry.

[F]

Rival.

[C]

Why can't I say it?

[F]

Rivalry.

[D]

It's kind of like the name. Rory. Rory.

[C]

Rory.

[D]

Rivalry.

[C]

Rival.

[D]

Rivalry.

[C]

Rivalry.

[F]

Rivalry.

[D]

Rivalry.

[C]

Yeah, you said it weird, too. Rivalry.

[E]

Yeah, because I'm Jersey, too.

[C]

It was like, do Lesbians Give a Damn? And she would be, like, sitting there like, yes. And then it was so fun. I can't believe you've never seen.

[D]

I don't. New Year's Eve. Andy Cohen is.

[E]

She's a boomer.

[C]

Andy Cohen is like the. The person that does all the E. Like, Bravo or. Yeah, like, reality tv, Everything. You know who he is?

[D]

No, I don't. And also, I don't watch Bravo. I've never watched Bravo a day in my life.

[C]

Okay, Shut the.

[D]

I don't even have cable, but I don't know him. Like, what does he do?

[C]

He's a reality tv, like, host.

[D]

Like, why hasn't he hosted any of the teen mom stuff because he's not mtv. I know who. And I went on Anderson Cooper's show when he had one.

[C]

Anderson Cooper works for cnn.

[D]

And I used. I went on his show before, like on tv, like on daytime television.

[C]

Interesting. And that's where I'm best friends with like John Mayer.

[D]

It's like a bit that John Mayer is allegedly dating. Cat Stickler.

[C]

Yeah, I saw that. Anywho, if you don't listen, watch the New Year's Eve show. It's really funny.

[D]

Well, I'll go look for it on YouTube.

[F]

Yeah, it's probably recorded.

[C]

Yeah, there's probably like bits of it recorded on there. Now is time for the segment of love. Is it Karma or Is it Chaos?

[D]

If you have a submission for Is it Karma? Is it Chaos? You can email us at info karma chaos podcast dot com. Hi Kaylin. Becky. Please keep me anonymous. I'm 29, female, recently started dating. Recently started dating a guy, 31, male, who seemed perfect, consistent, thoughtful, all green flags. Until I find out he shares his location with his mom and checks it daily. At first I thought it was harmless, but then it got weird. If we were out late, she'll text him asking why he's still not home. If we go out of town, she asks where we're staying. Once she even showed up at his apartment unannounced because she saw he was home. I finally told him it made me uncomfortable and asked if he could turn it off. He said doing that would hurt her feelings and that I should be more understanding because she worries. Now I'm being painted as the controlling girlfriend who's trying to come between family while I'm just trying to date a grown man without a GPS tracker on him. So is it karma for ignoring the early red flags or is this straight up chaos? If I asked my boyfriend to stop sharing his location with his mom because she was doing weird and he didn't. I'm breaking up with you because that's weird. Like, I'm not dating you and your mom.

[C]

Yeah, but like, I think it's. That's not the issue. Isn't the sharing the location, it's the weird that's going on. So it's like, can there be a conversation that happens?

[D]

No. Once a mom's doing that, like, like she's doing. That's a toxic mother in law. Like, there's no. Like. Yeah, it doesn't matter what he says at that point because she's still going to do it anyway. And in fact, that might offend her to the point that she keeps going.

[C]

I think the showing up at the house isn't weird.

[D]

Cuz, like, no, I do. I wouldn't want my boyfriend, parents, stops.

[C]

At my house unannounced all the time.

[D]

Maybe because I don't have a mom that I like. Don't know what that would be like.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But I don't. I don't want that.

[C]

The texting, why aren't you home yet? Is weird.

[D]

I have friends that do that, and it bothers me. Like, I have. I send my. I don't know why I can't talk. A lot of people have my location. Like, friends.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

There was. Somebody texted me, was like, kale, where are you? Why can't I see where you're at? It's just like, don't do that. Because now I don't want to ever give you my location again.

[C]

Yeah, that's weird.

[D]

Like, don't. Like, if you want to watch to see what I'm doing. Cool. Like, mindset mind. Mind my business quietly. But, like, don't text me about it.

[C]

Well, I think that that situation is just karma.

[D]

She didn't do anything.

[C]

Yeah. I enjoy having people's locations because I like, if I leave my house, I'll like, pop. Pop it open to see if I'm around anyone.

[D]

Oh, that's cute. Yeah, that's funny.

[C]

Like, I don't track where people are, what they're doing.

[D]

I don't. I have people's location. How do I see whose locations I have?

[C]

Have you go to find my friends or find my people. Yeah.

[D]

Okay, so then I have people.

[C]

It'll show you whose you have, whose you don't have, who has yours, and you don't have theirs. So you can see who on.

[D]

I only turn off my entire location. I never turn it off for, like, one person. So, like, when I go through my text threads and I'm like, clearing out my messages and it's like, stop sharing. I don't.

[F]

Don't.

[D]

So, like, I genuinely don't care who has my location. Like, in my real life, you clear out text threads. Yeah. Look at my text. Like, I'm due to clear them out right now. Look at this. It just stresses me out.

[C]

I've never cleared out a text thread in my entire life. You know what, everyone? We're just so thankful and so happy to have you all here. Thanks for listening. Thanks for supporting a lot to come in 2026.

[D]

And we're back, baby. See you in Missouri.

[C]

See you in Missouri.

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