Silly Goofy Girls

Summary

Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter

Episode: Silly Goofy Girls

Date: March 17, 2026
Hosts: Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter
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Episode Overview

On “Silly Goofy Girls,” Kail and Becky invite listeners into their vibrant, often hilarious lives as friends and moms in their 30s. The duo navigates everything from rekindling friendships, motherhood and identity, pop culture obsessions, childhood nostalgia, and the unpredictable dynamics of modern adult life. With participants Leah, Liz, Tommy, and Justin chiming in, the episode blends candid conversation and infectious humor with real talk about relationships, challenges, and self-discovery.

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Main Discussion Points and Insights

1. Rekindling Friendships & Navigating Intimacy

Timestamps: 00:43–04:03

• Becky shares how she's formed new friendships through her Patreon Sunday reset group and reflects on the intimacy of deep platonic bonds, recounting a listener story involving years of cuddling with a best friend.
  • “The one person was like, I used to be scared of you, but I don't think I'm scared of you anymore...Am I a scary person?” – Becky (01:09)
• Kail and the group discuss how platonic, deeply intimate relationships blur boundaries, sometimes serving as a path for self-discovery about sexual identity.
• Becky questions the lines between friendship and romantic feelings among women—“That's how people figure out they're gay a lot of the time.” – Becky (02:35)

2. Mother’s Day: Bar-Hopping Challenge

Timestamps: 04:29–11:03

• Becky reveals her unconventional Mother’s Day plan: participating in “Mother’s Ruin” bar-hopping challenge—visiting three bars in three states (NYC, Nashville, Charleston) in one day for free beer-for-life.
  • “Are you a mom that is preferring Mother's Day with your kids or without your kids?” – Kail (05:25)
• They candidly debate mom-shame and the normalization of celebrating motherhood individually.
• Details include logistics, the allure of the challenge, and the event’s cultish following on TikTok.
• “That is my Mother’s Day plan. I’m...pumped. Imagine when Bex is older...‘We were raging! I went to three states in one day and did a bar challenge.’” – Becky (09:35)

3. Trivia & Lighthearted Debates

Timestamps: 13:44–16:15

• Becky quizzes on U.S. geography (which state is surrounded by water).
• Kail insists you can walk from Alaska to Russia during winter freeze, with the group fact-checking and bantering over distances, legality, and the risks.
  • “You can walk...if you want, I’ll take one for the team.” – Kail (16:23)
• Lighthearted ribbing ensues around being “wrong” and refusing to apologize for wild trivia answers.

4. Notable Lifehacks & Social Media Phenomena

Timestamps: 18:43–20:53

• Becky describes a viral TikTok hack: buying a car on vacation for less than renting, then donating it at the end. They debate insurance, logistics, and the pros and cons of bypassing traditional travel rentals.

5. Tradeoffs & Adulting Logistics

Timestamps: 21:00–23:27

• Becky is torn between attending a Noah Kahan concert and a work trip to London, lamenting adult schedules, mom logistics, and the pain of missing concerts.
• The crew brainstorms about a hypothetical ticket trading marketplace for fans.

6. Career Talk & The Rise of the Podcaster

Timestamps: 26:25–32:45

• A reflective, meta section: Kail muses about never reaching “Diane Sawyer” status due to the changing media landscape.
  • Kail: “What is the hope for me? I don't call myself a journalist. Diane Sawyer is very much a journalist. I am not one, but I expect to be on her level someday.” (28:01)
• The crew analyze distinctions between journalism, “T pages,” podcasting, and influencer culture—pondering whether new terms and legal standards will emerge for internet-based reporting.
• “We're pioneering it...the Internet is still like in its infancy...there's not a lot of structure in this space yet.” – Liz (30:13)

7. BookTok, Adaptations, & Female Authors

Timestamps: 33:14–37:23

• Becky shares takeaways from a Sarah J. Maas interview by Alex Cooper, highlighting how authors weave personal trauma into fantasy arcs.
  • “She said that she used her characters to portray someone she wanted to be...that’s who I’ve always wanted to be.” – Becky (36:49)
• Discussion of book-to-screen adaptations (Acotar, Throne of Glass, Crescent City), the emotional complexities authors incorporate, and the overlap between author lives and fantasy heroines.

8. Pop Culture, Book-to-Movie Adaptations, and Typecasting

Timestamps: 38:47–44:44

• Becky and Kail passionately debate the “Housemaid” book vs. movie adaptation, casting choices (Sydney Sweeney, Amanda Seyfried), and whether typecasting affects believability and connection to characters.
• Broader reflection on how many beloved TV series are book adaptations, with BookTok reshaping streaming content pipelines.

9. Childhood Nostalgia: 90s/00s TV Deep Dive

Timestamps: 46:48–54:44

• A rapid-fire trip down memory lane: Big Comfy Couch, Bananas in Pajamas, Gullah Gullah Island, Dinosaurs, Barney, Hey Arnold, Legends of the Hidden Temple, and more.
• Conversation hits on how 90s/00s low-stimulation programming was healthier for kids than today’s hyper-stimulated YouTube and gaming content.
  • “There are studies that show low-stimulating shows that we watched in the 90s and early 2000s are way better than the things kids are watching now ...the overstimulation and also the bad behavior.” – Liz (54:44)

10. On Friendship, Intentionality, and Kindness

Timestamps: 56:55–60:57

• Becky shares a TikTok about doing intentional small acts (“Lady Luck”) and how showing thoughtful care for friends/strangers matters.
• Kail and Liz reflect on how adult relationships can become monotonous or transactional and the importance of maintaining true intention.
  • “We need to bring a type of humanity back. Because everyone just does things just to check off a box.” – Kail (57:47)

11. Listener Dilemma: Is It Karma or Chaos?

Timestamps: 62:21–66:54

• Becky reads a listener’s question about a friendship marked by distance, lack of reciprocation, and emotional neglect during hard times.
• Kail’s advice: “This is someone I would cut off completely and never look back. Move on quietly. Don’t have a conversation, not worth it. We’re too old for this.” (66:31)
• Both women agree: Sometimes, letting go is healthier and not everything needs closure or confrontation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I’m feeling like a little silly, goofy girl.” – Becky (00:28)
• “The one person was like, I used to be scared of you, but I don’t think I’m scared of you anymore...Am I a scary person?” – Becky (01:09)
• “A mother should be able to spend their Mother’s Day however it is they want... A lot of moms get shamed for wanting the Mother’s Day without children.” – Kail (05:25)
• “That is my Mother’s Day plan...I went to three states in one day and did a bar challenge.” – Becky (09:35)
• “I have unrealistic expectations for myself. I don’t call myself a journalist. Diane Sawyer is very much a journalist. I am not one, but I expect to be on her level someday.” – Kail (28:01)
• “We need to bring a type of humanity back. Because everyone just does things just to check off a box.” – Kail (57:47)
• “At 37 I’m not fighting for your attention and asking for an explanation. You know what kind of friend you’re being at that point.” – Kail (66:38)

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• Friendship intimacy & boundaries: 00:43–04:03
• Mother’s Day Bar Challenge logistics: 04:29–11:03
• Trivia & playful debate: 13:44–16:15
• Travel and life hacks: 18:43–20:53
• Concerts vs. adult logistics: 21:00–23:27
• Media, journalism, and “T pages”: 26:25–32:45
• BookTok & author interviews: 33:14–37:23
• Book/movie adaptations debate: 38:47–44:44
• 90s/00s pop culture nostalgia: 46:48–54:44
• Kindness, intentionality, friendship: 56:55–60:57
• Listener karma/chaos dilemma: 62:21–66:54

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Tone & Final Thoughts

Vibrant, unfiltered, and relatable, this episode is a patchwork of nostalgia, humor, emotional honesty, and adult wisdom. Kail and Becky’s banter carries a uniquely candid, girlfriend-to-girlfriend energy—spanning the silly to the profound. The show reminds listeners that it’s okay to create your own family traditions, challenge the “rules” of adulthood, and choose yourself (and your sanity) over one-sided relationships.

Perfect for listeners seeking connection, validation, and a reminder that embracing “karma & chaos” is a real—and often silly—part of growing up.

Transcript

[Kale]

Foreign.

[Becky]

Welcome back, everyone. Good morning, good evening, good day, good night to my karmarus. We love you and we love each other.

[Kale]

What the are you talking about?

[Becky]

I'm feeling like a little silly, goofy girl.

[Kale]

A silly, goofy girl.

[Becky]

A silly, goofy girl. That mukbang really got me going.

[Kale]

I'm scared. Can I quit? Is it too late? Somebody can take my place.

[Becky]

I want to know. Okay, so I've been forming. I. I feel like a little bit maybe like you here. So I've been forming friendships with people.

[Kale]

This is not a good idea.

[Becky]

I've been forming. So I started my patreon. I do my weekly Sunday resets, so I have like a group of people that I'm meeting with.

[Kale]

You also got catfished one time, so be careful.

[Becky]

Okay. We didn't need to bring up that trauma, but I've. I've become friends with people who I had on for the haters before I started that, and it's been really fun for me. The one person was like, I used to be scared of you, but I don't think I'm scared of you anymore. Are one. Am I a scary person?

[Kale]

No.

[Becky]

Am I?

[Kale]

Why?

[Becky]

That's what I thought.

[Kale]

In what context?

[Becky]

Like, scared of, like, intimidating, like.

[Kale]

You do not. You're not intimidating.

[Becky]

You're like the most.

[Liz]

Unfortunately, no. I don't know what you're looking for. Do you want to be?

[Tommy]

No.

[Liz]

Okay. No, No, I did.

[Becky]

Unfortunately, no. I just. Anyway, I. I want the people listening because I know this isn't a unique scenario and I would like for your feedback on this. So this one girl was best friends. Her and her best friend, she moved into her mom's house when she got kicked out. And then they lived together for two years.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Becky]

For probably about 18 months of that. They slept in the same bed every night, even though they had separate rooms at the house and beds. We legit cuddled. They legit cuddled almost every night, but nothing sexual ever happened. Fast forward. She came out a few years ago, and I'm married to a man. I don't think think that this is a unique scenario. And I need to bring this up because one, you're a little gay.

[Kale]

Yeah, for sure. Always have been.

[Liz]

I was gonna say gay.

[Becky]

Yeah. Cuz like, that's how people figure out they're gay a lot of the time. Like they have sleepovers with the same person and it becomes more of like a cuddling thing.

[Kale]

But you're telling yourself with my friend at like 9 years old, so same thing, right? No.

[Tommy]

No.

[Kale]

Oh, okay.

[Becky]

You were Making out at nine years old?

[Kale]

Yep. She told me we had to practice.

[Becky]

So the thing here is, what scares me about scenarios like this.

[Kale]

That one or mine?

[Becky]

Yours. Is that someone was probably doing that to her.

[Kale]

Probably not. She was a ring leader. Wait, what? She was the ring leader of all things.

[Becky]

Okay, okay.

[Kale]

No, it's fine. It's fine. She lives in Easton now.

[Liz]

Moving on.

[Kale]

Wait, but what's wrong?

[Tommy]

Nine years old?

[Kale]

Yeah, maybe it was 10.

[Liz]

That's not.

[Becky]

That's not what we're talking about here. Anyway, comment down below if this has happened. Not the nine year old thing, this. And it's just like when she was telling me this story, I was like, girl, like, you're gay. And she's like, no one that's married

[Kale]

to a man, you're saying? Okay, okay. Does she miss her? The girl that she was like having sleepovers with? Like, she misses her or what?

[Becky]

Ask her.

[Kale]

Oh, you're on that type of time.

[Becky]

Like friends?

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Yeah. Do you miss the girl you used to sleep with? They're probably still friends.

[Liz]

Mom's about to take both of your phones away.

[Becky]

I'm texting her a part of this. Anywho, I have exciting news.

[Kale]

What's your exciting news?

[Becky]

I have officially booked and decided my Mother's Day plans.

[Kale]

Well, what are they?

[Becky]

My first Mother's Day. So much better. What?

[Leah]

It does so much better.

[Becky]

Yeah, there is a bar. There's a bar called Mother's Ruin. They do a Mother's Ruin challenge every Mother's Day. Well, they just started doing it on Mother's Day where you have to go to three of their bar locations in one day and you get a gold card for life that you get a free beer every day for life from.

[Kale]

And why do you feel like you should do this for Mother's Day?

[Becky]

Cuz it's the Mother's Day challenge, so.

[Kale]

So wait, time out before you go any further.

[Becky]

Yes.

[Kale]

Are you a mom that is preferring Mother's Day with your kids or without your kids? Because that's a big thing. Is like a mother should be able to spend their Mother's Day however it is that they want. And a lot of moms, I feel like, get shamed. We were talking about mom shame for wanting the Mother's Day without children.

[Becky]

Yeah, that's what I want.

[Kale]

Okay, so what about Leah? Does she.

[Becky]

Well, she's a part of this story too. If you let me finish. The one question that you should ask me is, where are the bars?

[Kale]

Where are the bars?

[Becky]

New York, Chicago, Austin, Nashville and They're opening in Charleston.

[Kale]

So you're gonna go to them? Yeah, before Mother's Day.

[Becky]

On Mother's Day to.

[Kale]

They're in different states, Becky.

[Becky]

There lies the fun of the challenge. Kale. I have to go to three of the bars in one day. So Thomas Donovan and myself.

[Kale]

Who the is that?

[Becky]

Tom and Tommy. They're my cross.

[Kale]

My neighbors.

[Becky]

No. Oh, my God.

[Liz]

Anyway, why the would Becky be spending Mother's Day with your nail tag?

[Kale]

It low key would be something Tommy would do, so. And also you would love Tommy, so I thought maybe Tommy a boy or a girl? Tommy's a boy.

[Becky]

Okay. Tommy can be a girl's name, can it?

[Kale]

Most likely not, but yeah, I guess in theory.

[Liz]

Girl.

[Kale]

Tommy has a girl name. Is low key. Cute. What would that be a nickname for? Also, I'm not having any more children, but if I did, Also unlikely you'd have another girl.

[Becky]

Yeah, very true.

[Justin]

You hit with triplet girl.

[Leah]

The odds are not in your favor, Tommy.

[Kale]

That's really cute. Okay. Anyways, I digress.

[Becky]

Anyway, Tommy and I will start in New York City. So if you're listening and you're in any of these places, feel free to join me at the bar. New York City, 9am I booked. The flights are booked. This is.

[Kale]

Oh, you're dead.

[Tommy]

Yes, dude.

[Leah]

Oh, wow.

[Becky]

9:00am Bar in the same day, New York City. We can stay at that bar for about an hour, hour and a half. Pushing it. Then flight at 12 to Nashville. We get into Nashville around 2. We can stay at that bar till around 6, 5, and then our flight's at 7 from Nashville to Charleston. And we land in Charleston at night, 9:30. So we'll get to that bar probably around 10, 10:30pm yeah.

[Kale]

Oh, you've lost me.

[Becky]

So those. Those are the three bars that we will be attending. Leah and Liz. Tommy. Tommy's wife is Liz and their son. And Leah and my son will be in Charleston. They're going like, they're going to be in Charleston. And then we're going to spend a couple days in Charleston.

[Kale]

That's cute. That is. That actually is a really cool scavenger hunt situation.

[Leah]

Will be open by then.

[Becky]

Yeah. So their best friends is one of the bar owners.

[Kale]

My question to you is, how do you prove that you went to all of them in one day? Like, what are the. What are the things?

[Liz]

They.

[Becky]

It's like a. Like an organized event. And so there's passports that you pick up at the bar, and they have to, like a manager stamps your passport.

[Kale]

That's really fudgeing.

[Leah]

Cool.

[Kale]

Whoever developed that idea, literally. Marketing genius.

[Becky]

Yeah. Like they said. So TJ is one of the bar owners and like I know him and he said, I think 100 people did it last year. And I re. I saw all over Tik Tok cuz like, people vlog it. Like vlog their thing.

[Kale]

The marketing behind that is like getting other people, like, okay, it starts with 100 and then people see it and then the next year they're like, okay, I could do it next year. And then people see that and then the next year after that.

[Becky]

I wonder how many people are going to be on the same flights as us that are doing it too.

[Kale]

Like now you're going to get karmarus to do it.

[Tommy]

Yeah.

[Becky]

So they're going to meet me if you guys want to do the whole challenge.

[Kale]

Come on.

[Becky]

But at least meet me in the bar if you're in the. Right in that town.

[Kale]

That's really cool.

[Tommy]

Yeah.

[Becky]

They said. TJ said that a couple did it last year and they had a six month old and the six month old did it with them and. And they gave the six month old free Shirley Temples until they're 21.

[Tommy]

And then it switches.

[Becky]

Switches over to beers.

[Leah]

That is cool.

[Kale]

That is so cute.

[Becky]

I know. That is my Mother's Day plan. And I'm.

[Tommy]

I'm pumped.

[Becky]

Imagine when Bex is older and he

[Tommy]

becomes a dad and he's.

[Becky]

And it's his first Father's Day and he's like, oh, moms, what did you guys do for your first Mother's Day? And I'm like, we were raging. I went to three states in one day and. And like did a bar challenge. Like, that's so cool.

[Kale]

That's really cool.

[Becky]

And like, of course, like, it's imp. Like he's obviously important. He's the one that made me a mom. But like, I don't. Like, I will spend that time and vacation time with him. Like, But Leah was complete opposite. She was like, I. Like, I couldn't imagine a Mother's Day and like not spending it with him.

[Kale]

So that's so interesting. There's definitely like a opposite. Like a. Yeah, some people love it, some people hate it. It's like Mother's Day should be spent, you know? Like, I wouldn't mind like waking up with my kids, doing breakfast with them, and then having like a massage or something without them. Like, that would be like, ideal for me.

[Becky]

I've seen like the most ide deal is like two friends in a hotel room ordering, like, takeout and not having kids and like, just responsibilities.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Where they can like sleep in.

[Kale]

Yeah, totally.

[Becky]

Maybe we'll do. I don't know if we're gonna stay in the city the night before just so that we're there on time at 9am for the bar opening, but if not, I. If we didn't, I would potentially maybe do like breakfast and. It's all right. We'll get our time.

[Kale]

Yeah, for sure. I love that. That's great.

[Becky]

Thanks.

[Kale]

Definitely surprised me. I didn't see that going anywhere with. I thought you were going to end up blacked out. Maybe at the bar. Like, I didn't know what. When you said bar for Mother's Day, I was like, she's bringing back college Becky.

[Becky]

No, this is more like. That's like. It's like more like a. Yeah, it's like fun, like. And we're definitely going to meet people along the way of doing it. I already have my friend Kristen, who was on season one of four, the Haters, who I've stayed friends with. She is gonna pick us up at the airport in Nashville, so we don't have to worry about, like a ride. Yeah.

[Kale]

Also, I don't know if this is still going to be a thing by the time this episode airs, but there are some, like, what is it called, like, security things going on with Uber and Snapchat right now. And when we were in Dallas last week, Eli from Podcast one was in fact charged twice for the same Uber ride because of this situation. Interesting. Yeah. So just be careful with that.

[Becky]

I don't really Uber.

[Kale]

Oh. I thought maybe with your experience as a driver that maybe you.

[Becky]

You're such a.

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[Kale]

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[Kale]

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[Becky]

Anywho, I had something I really wanted to just say and like. Oh, you were talking about ubering, mother's

[Kale]

day, the bar, blacking out, college, Becky coming out to play.

[Becky]

Wow, that, like, is hurting. Oh, I wanted to ask you. What is the only u. S. State that is surrounded by water.

[Kale]

On all sides? Hawaii. Alaska. Hawaii.

[Becky]

Just Hawaii.

[Kale]

I'm not as dumb as I look.

[Becky]

Yep, a lot of people don't know Alaska's landlocked to Canada.

[Kale]

Oh, and also you can walk across it to go to Russia.

[Leah]

Oh, wow, you've tried that.

[Becky]

No, I don't think that's true.

[Kale]

Yes, it is.

[Leah]

Google it.

[Kale]

Babe. What?

[Liz]

You think you can walk to Russia from Alaska?

[Kale]

You can.

[Becky]

Okay, I'm gonna google it.

[Justin]

I wouldn't say walk.

[Kale]

Yes, you can.

[Becky]

Can you walk from Alaska to Russia? I don't.

[Justin]

Because Alaska's top left connected to Canada.

[Kale]

What does Google say?

[Becky]

Okay, it says. It says technically, yes, because the sea can freeze and you can walk over it, But I don't think that's what you meant.

[Kale]

Yes, it is.

[Becky]

No, it's not.

[Kale]

That is exactly what I meant.

[Liz]

You meant the ocean can freeze and you can walk over the ice.

[Kale]

People. People have done it.

[Justin]

Would you do it?

[Kale]

Yes. If given the opportunity? Yes, the I would.

[Becky]

Okay, this is actually wild. What? Do you.

[Kale]

Tell me you're sorry? Tell me you're sorry.

[Liz]

No, because you can't walk to Russia unless the ice is completely frozen solid.

[Becky]

Can we just.

[Kale]

So it's possible to walk from Alaska.

[Becky]

Don't look at your phones. I'm not.

[Liz]

I'm reading it.

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[Becky]

What do you think the distance between Alaska and Russia is?

[Kale]

A couple yards.

[Justin]

30 miles.

[Leah]

She said a couple yards.

[Justin]

I. I just winged it. Is it winged it or it's past 10.

[Kale]

So would it be wong you wong it?

[Liz]

Like I'm not good with that. Miles, Feet, yards. Like I have absolutely no idea.

[Kale]

I bet it's like a few handful of yards or something like that.

[Becky]

Okay. You're few handful of yards. It's 55 miles apart.

[Kale]

Oh, okay.

[Becky]

Which is like wild. Like that's further from here to my house. It's like triple from here to my house. Like you want to walk across from here to my house is triple than that. Like I didn't realize that Alaska and Russia were so close.

[Kale]

So say you're sorry.

[Becky]

It's not legally possible.

[Kale]

It is.

[Becky]

It says you want to get legally shot.

[Kale]

I'll take the risk if you want. I'll take one for the team.

[Becky]

You'll go and do it?

[Kale]

Yep. I will comment down below.

[Becky]

If you walk, put it in the

[Kale]

review rate on Spotify and Apple and put it in the review. If you think I should attempt my

[Becky]

mind is mother say you're sorry because

[Kale]

not a single one of you has said sorry yet. I'm not sorry.

[Becky]

I'm not sorry.

[Kale]

You can walk.

[Becky]

I cannot believe. I can't. Look at this. Look at how close. Russia.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Becky]

I had no clue. I feel so dumb right now. Not because of you. You cannot walk there.

[Kale]

You can. No.

[Justin]

Would you walk though?

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[Kale]

Yes. I. So there is this thing I forget

[Justin]

Wendy as fuck cold.

[Kale]

Listen, listen, listen, listen. Everyone thinks.

[Becky]

I got a text back.

[Liz]

I said, first of all, I don't think you're dumb or I wouldn't be your friend.

[Becky]

I'm not dumb.

[Liz]

I'm not friends with stupid people. And secondly, you still can't walk to Russia unless the ocean is completely frozen.

[Justin]

So it's situation.

[Kale]

Let it go. Let it go. I'll call Elsa.

[Becky]

Okay. That was funny.

[Kale]

Did you get second an embarrassment?

[Becky]

No. I said, do you miss the girl you used to sleep with? She goes, what the. I mean, not really. Our lives are vastly different. But I guess I look back fondly on it not sleeping with her. We really were just best friends. We didn't have romantic feelings for each other.

[Kale]

No, I didn't make out with just my regular friends.

[Becky]

They didn't make out.

[Kale]

I didn't also. Well, actually when I was in ninth grade, my. My friend's mom said that I had to sleep on the couch because she had a couch in her room and she was like, pull like you can't keep sleeping in the bed with Kale. And so she came back in the room was like, my mom said you had to sleep on the couch, but I like, didn't sleep with her. Like, I wasn't like having sex with her, kissing her or anything. She's on heroin now.

[Tommy]

How casually you say that.

[Liz]

I just literally, like, no one would ever believe me that this is my job.

[Kale]

No one would ever believe me that this. These are true stories.

[Becky]

I learned something new from you. Believe you, unfortunately, every day. So I saw this tick tock. And it is. It was the. I ended up. The guy ended up being like a douchebag. So I'm really upset about the whole entire thing. But the Tick tockers. Yeah, like the dude that like the. The viral tick tock. I went and looked at his page and he ended up being a horrible person. So I'm annoyed that I'm even talking about this, but concept of it was really good. So him and his friends booked a trip to Hawaii. And they were going to Hawaii for like a week or two. And they went to rent a car. And the rental. The car rental was like $2500. And so instead of running a car, they bought a car off Facebook Marketplace for 5 for 750 and then said they were gonna give it to someone when they left.

[Kale]

Wait, that's low key. Cool.

[Becky]

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm bringing it up.

[Kale]

Oh.

[Becky]

But they ended up like, like punching the car and damaging it. Like, like little.

[Tommy]

Right?

[Becky]

Yeah, they were just being like super ignorant about it. So the. The could have gone a different way. But imagine going and like traveling there and then buying a car and then just giving it to, like, someone that needs it, you know, Like.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Instead of spending more money to rent.

[Kale]

Wait, can I do that more often?

[Becky]

Okay, so we can't encourage people to do it because you don't have car insurance.

[Kale]

Like, there's reasons I have car insurance.

[Becky]

The car that you're buying doesn't have car insurance. Like, you're not going there buying the car and then adding it to your policy. I guess you could, but.

[Kale]

Because, like, sometimes I rent cars and it's more than 750 bucks.

[Tommy]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Like, it's a tax write off to buy it and then it's a tax write off to donate it.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Yeah. And it helps somebody in the meantime. Like, are you kidding me?

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

So smart.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

It's a lot of work. Sounds like a lot of work.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

You know what I mean?

[Becky]

I. I do know what you mean.

[Kale]

So, like, what? So where does it go from there? Do they end up donating it?

[Becky]

I don't think so. I don't remember what happened because I like, it was like this, like, ignorant little white boy. So.

[Kale]

Yeah, that sucks.

[Becky]

So bad news, good news for the listeners here.

[Kale]

Let's hear the bad news first.

[Becky]

I don't know if I think I might have to sell my Noah Con tickets.

[Kale]

Why? What happened?

[Becky]

We have a tour date.

[Kale]

Oh, okay.

[Becky]

In the uk.

[Kale]

So just for anyone listening, the London tour date is 100% happening. It was, in fact, booked. So I am going to talk about that specific tour date. Just because that one is international, acknowledge

[Becky]

that I might have to sell my con tickets.

[Kale]

Yes. I'm gonna get there. You're being really selfish and I need you to take a deep breath. So the London tour date is Monday, Aug. 10, 2026, at the Leicester Square Theater. And that is absolutely happening. Now, with that being said, that is the night that you're doing that you were going to do the concert, or

[Becky]

it's the 8th, August 8th, but you'll be.

[Kale]

Well, I guess in theory you could do it.

[Tommy]

It's in Denver.

[Kale]

So go to Denver for the concert and then fly from Denver to London.

[Becky]

I know. It's just a little complex because, like. Or do we just take the Europe trip? Does Leah and Vex come with me and do the Europe trip? Because they're not doing Denver and then flying to Europe. Like, that's crazy. It's just too much, you know, it's not too much for me.

[Liz]

No. If I were you, I would have. Yeah, I would sell the tickets because Noah Khan's going to tour again and that is only going to be little so long. And it's like a lot easier to travel with an infant than people think it is. Than like a toddler.

[Becky]

Yeah. So if you're listening and you have two extra Noah Con tickets to anywhere in New Jersey or Philadelphia or New York, let me know.

[Kale]

Yeah. I wonder if you could, like, just different tickets. Yeah.

[Becky]

So good news, bad news.

[Kale]

Yeah. There's silver linings. Is that we're going to London and that's booked. But the bad news is that you might have to go to a different Noah Con concert. Maybe. Maybe someone listening will have extra tickets.

[Becky]

One can hope.

[Kale]

But I wish there was, like, a trade in service that you could, like, contact StubHub and be like, I can trade these tickets for these tickets. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Like, someone else that wants to trade,

[Kale]

but not necessarily, like, sell them and then rebuy. It's like Just let's do a swapparoo.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

For the Karoos.

[Becky]

For the Karoos.

[Kale]

That's a great you know what? And you're giving enough notice that maybe this is possible. So keep us updated.

[Becky]

I will.

[Kale]

Okay, Foreign.

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[Becky]

Wait.

[Liz]

I just want to say that Kale kept crying during one of the interviews. And all she kept saying while she was crying is, I'm never going to be Diane Sawyer.

[Kale]

I love her. And she never cries in an interview. She just is so stoic and, like, probably a Scorpio.

[Becky]

Look at it. Look it up.

[Kale]

Is Diane Sword Sawyer still alive? A Scorpio? That's what it came up. She didn't pass away, did she? She's a Capricorn.

[Becky]

What birth. What date is that?

[Kale]

No, but the crazy part is I said, is Diane Sawyer Scorpio? And AI said, diane Sawyer is not a Scorpio. Like, instead of being like, she's so she's born December 22, 1945.

[Becky]

And so, like, when does Scorpio end? I have no idea.

[Kale]

It ends the end of November.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

So I'm just, like, really upset about that because she's really up. She was really upset about it. Well, because what. What is the hopes for me? Right? Like, what is.

[Liz]

Can I just say, with all the love and peace and respect in the

[Kale]

world, nobody was ever going to take me to that level.

[Liz]

That's not what I was gonna say. But, like, you're not Diane Sawyer. You know what I mean? Like, you're Kale.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Like, Diane Sawyer is like an old, rich, white lady.

[Kale]

Can I be an old witch white lady?

[Liz]

You want to die at 60?

[Becky]

Okay, don't bring that up.

[Liz]

She brings it up every day.

[Becky]

I know. Cut it out.

[Kale]

No.

[Leah]

Cut it out.

[Becky]

No. Literally starts throwing a turtle.

[Kale]

No, but what I was getting. What I was gonna say was, like, I feel like I have unrealistic expectations of myself. Right. Because I don't call myself a journalist. Diane Sawyer is very much a journalist. I am not one, but I expect to be on her level someday, which nobody is doing that for me. Do you know, like, who the is?

[Liz]

That's not what I was saying.

[Kale]

Oh, that's what I'm saying.

[Becky]

But, like,

[Liz]

like, in the Age of Diane Swear, there wasn't, like, people like this that were putting on, like, podcasts and stuff. Do you know what I mean?

[Becky]

Like, it's a lot more saturated. What is life is a lot more saturated with?

[Kale]

Sawyer was okay.

[Becky]

Like, it's so much easier to produce content than it was then.

[Liz]

Yeah. He's dead anyway.

[Kale]

Would you consider Alex Cooper a journalist?

[Liz]

To a degree, it depends on what she's doing because she's done like different specials. Like she did one on an abortion. She had an episode with Camila Harris where there was a little more investigative reporting. So to a degree, I don't know

[Kale]

if she did the research or somebody else did it.

[Becky]

She probably has a team. Yeah.

[Liz]

To be a journalist is like you reporting on it.

[Kale]

Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

[Becky]

And like, how?

[Liz]

So it depends. Like, we can be like sometimes what we do is journalism. Like for example. No, like by definition.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Like the Amanda Knox interview, for example, would sure consider journalism Lawyer.

[Kale]

My question is. Okay, so this is a. I never anticipated bringing this up, so I'm sorry if everyone is bored, but like the, the position that we're in and what we do, both on this side of it and also on like the T page side of things, there has to be some sort of term to refer to all of this because it's not quite journalism, but it's not quite just entertainment. Right. So like the T pages, for example, are not quite on that journalist level, but they're not not on that level. So like, what is that? Like middle? Like, is there going to be developed terms, Maybe Gen Z will develop terms to like talk about what, what it is that like, yeah, we're podcasters, but like we do do deep dives. We do get opportunities to do certain things. We do. It does launch us into different directions if we take it. So like what is that called?

[Liz]

Well, the Internet is still like in its infancy, like in terms of, of an industry. Right. So like the Internet started when we were children, so 20 something years ago. Right. And I know that doesn't sound young, but it is in terms of business. Right. So there's not laws, there's like not a lot of structure in this space yet we're pioneering it.

[Kale]

Right. Well, you know what I mean. Surely there's like. Because like the amendments for the First Amendment, Fifth Amendment, whatever, all the amendments, right. And like freedom of speech, blah, blah. So where do we draw the line or where do we apply certain things to like what we're doing or T pages or whatever that are not quite journalists, but we're not held to the same standard because it's teeters the line of opinion and fact. And it teeters a line of like,

[Becky]

I think it's all entertainment and opinion.

[Liz]

Yeah, but there's Abed journalists.

[Becky]

Not, not you just like that, like when considering T pages. And like that's entertainment. T pages is entertainment.

[Liz]

Well, and the thing that's difficult to you is that journalists have accreditation. There's laws. There's like really a lot of structured.

[Kale]

They have to abide by certain laws. So, like, what about the social media aspect of it? Like, I. The first person I think of is Candace Owens, but she is definitely a journalist. So I don't know that that, that

[Becky]

it applies to her, but it's also entertainment.

[Liz]

But that's a good example because she started as entertainment and then she did go on to be an anchor for a moment. Right on Fox News. Wasn't she a correspondent?

[Kale]

So my point is that to what you just said, it is entertainment and it's sort of like teetering. A line of journalism is like, there are no laws that apply to that part of it. So, like, I wonder if that will develop over time.

[Becky]

I don't think so.

[Kale]

I do.

[Becky]

I don't think they're already starting to

[Liz]

develop laws like, especially in terms of like, for example, family vloggers. Like, I think that there will be laws structured around social media in general. Maybe not necessarily like strict journalism laws towards, like podcasters, but I think in general there will start to be a different structure too.

[Kale]

But then also to that is like, the slander, libel, defamation aspect of everything. And I'm not talking about specifically T pages, but like, just this sort of like, corner of the Internet with like, podcasting and entertainment and, you know, tick tock has kind of taken over, like, breaking news and reports and stuff like that. And so, like, they're gonna have to develop laws around that because how do you determine what is considered journalism that has to abide by laws versus your opinion as a T page or whatever? Like just gossip. Gossip media.

[Liz]

Because, for example, if we ever got subpoenaed by the government, we would have to give them every, like, person, every, like, thing that we talked about. We would have to give them all of the information. Journalists do not have to. Was a financial journalist and the FBI came to his house a lot because he was, you know, reporting on financial crimes and investigating them. But he legally does not have to come, like, he didn't legally have to come forward. That's the difference.

[Becky]

Can I bring up a little bit about Alex Cooper?

[Kale]

Yeah, sure, hon.

[Becky]

Yeah, sure, hon. I was just going to talk about how I watched an interview of hers for the first time in my entire life because she had Sarah J. Maas on.

[Kale]

How did you feel about her interview?

[Becky]

It Like, I've never watched it. Like, an Alex Cooper interview. I've never listened to one. I've never really consumed Any of her content beyond Tick Tock. Like, just consuming it in that way. And, like, I, like, was a little uncomfortable watching it because, like, they were just two people talking. And I don't know if I expected for Sarah J. Maas to, like, talk him a more, like, sophisticated way. But, like, she was just like a girly and like, that made you uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't. I guess because I had such a high expectation of her just from like, like how powerfully she writes and like, how.

[Kale]

Wait, but this is about Sarah J. Maas. This isn't about Alex Cooper.

[Becky]

Yeah, but like, and like, Alex Cooper was just asking questions, like, sitting. Asking. It was just like, it. Like, they're just doing what we do. Yeah, right. Like, it was very weird to, like. Oh. Like, very. Like, she's literally just doing what, like, we do as well. And they're just two humans. Because when I consume it on Tick Tock, it's like more.

[Kale]

It's like glamorized or, like, elevated in a way. Like, it's more like, very dramatic.

[Becky]

Yeah, it's really dramatic. But when you watch. I only watch an hour. It's two hours long. But it was just like. It was like I was just listening to two friends talk.

[Kale]

Yeah. But I. I like that though. Right.

[Becky]

I know it wasn't like a. Like, I've just never consumed something like that. And I also. Oh, this is. You'll like this. So Sarah J. Sarah J. Mass wrote Aatar. She wrote.

[Kale]

I think there's two more books coming. Yeah, two more Acatar books.

[Tommy]

Huge.

[Becky]

Did you read Akatar? She wrote Throne of Glass. Throne of Glass is the series that destroyed me and Crescent City. What? Which I've also. Throne of Glass. She started when she was 16 years old.

[Kale]

Wow.

[Becky]

Insane. But there's. Okay, this is a trigger warning for some. A little bit of spoilers for acotar. So fast forward if you don't want the spoilers. They're not huge. Like, it's not going to ruin anything because I'm not going to say character names. Someone becomes pregnant in the Acotar series and there's a lot of.

[Kale]

It wasn't me.

[Tommy]

There's a lot of online.

[Becky]

There was a lot of online discourse around it, around the frustration of, like, the concept was like, you can't survive a pregnancy because of who she got pregnant by. Like, it's not like. And so it made it, like, complex and, like, not enjoyable. And people were pissed that, like, why couldn't this character just have something to enjoy? And she said that she had gone through like a life or death experience giving birth. And so when she was writing that character arc and that's that story was because in life she was experiencing like death around birth because she almost died giving birth. And like she wrote it through the emotions of, of like her husband and like how her partner like felt about potentially losing like her and stuff like that. And so it was really cool to see how she used aspects of her life for a fantasy, for like the fantasy and for the character build.

[Kale]

That's one of the things I ask a lot of the authors I have on Barely Famous is do you ever incorporate aspects of your own life or pieces of yourself in fiction? Because it's hard not to, right? Like, yeah, when you're doing character development to some level, you need to include like life experiences or there's no depth to the character. So there's kind of no way around that. And I love that she was able to do that for a fantasy novel.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Like that's cool.

[Becky]

She said that she used her characters to portray like someone that she wanted to be and because like a lot of her character, like her main characters are all like strong, like independent, no fucks given women. Yeah. And she's like. And that's who I like. I've always wanted to just walk up to someone and be that person and I've never been able to do that. Like I've always been scared. So she like created characters around it.

[Kale]

I love that.

[Becky]

So that was cool. An interesting just experience of listening to Alex Hoover. Okay.

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[Becky]

Sorry to say this is almost like a book talk. We need to talk about the housemaid.

[Kale]

Don't piss me off, because I already know what you're going to say, and I'm just going to stay silent. You can tell people what you think.

[Becky]

Well, what. Let's hear your point of view first, because I've been talking, I feel like

[Kale]

for the past hour, I loved the housemaid. I also loved, loved the movie. I loved the cast that they picked for the movie. I obviously, in, you know, reading the book and watching the movie, understand that, you know, Enzo needed more air time on in the movie. But, like, overall, I loved both. And I. I also understand from, like, the author's perspective on how. Why they can't include everything in the movie. But when you texted me that you didn't like the movie, I just thought that we couldn't be friends anymore.

[Becky]

Hear me out. I enjoyed the book. I really didn't really like the book. I don't know. It's. If it's because I felt connected to the book and I felt connected, I like, to the characters in the book, that. That set my expectations up for watching the movie, but I didn't feel, like, a connection between Millie and whatever his name was. Like, I didn't feel. Feel that, like, sexual. Like, I didn't feel anything.

[Kale]

I felt a sexual connection, really. Right. To Sydney Sweeney.

[Becky]

Okay. And so here's my. Like, I'm not a Sydney Sweeney hater.

[Kale]

Right.

[Becky]

Like, I enjoy. Like, I. The thing is, when I think of Sydney Sweeney and the characters that she historically plays.

[Kale]

Wait, she's been in other movies? I. I thought the first thing she was ever in was that euphoria raised.

[Liz]

What euphoria?

[Kale]

No, I thought she was a model and did that American Eagle flop, big scandal situation. And that's where. That's the first time I'd ever heard of her.

[Liz]

No.

[Becky]

No.

[Kale]

Great.

[Becky]

Yeah. So my thing with Sydney Sweeney is that typically she's in character roles that are, like, young, kind of clueless, ditzy.

[Tommy]

No, like, critical thinking,

[Becky]

not saying that's how she is as a person. Like, those are just kind of the roles she falls into. Like, blindlessly in love. And, like, Millie was such a complex character in the book where she had str. Like, strategic thinking to every single move that she made. Like, when I look at Sydney Sweeney, I don't get. Oh, that's miss a mysterious Person. She has. So she has history for you.

[Kale]

She's typecasted. Do you know what that is?

[Becky]

Yes.

[Kale]

Okay, so she's typecasted for you.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Which I could see that. I mean, obviously, I don't know what roles she played before that, but what based on what you're describing, because people. I've read a lot of things online that that's how they felt about Amanda Seyfried.

[Becky]

Oh, I think I thought she did so good.

[Kale]

I thought that Amanda Seyfried nailed the role in the House. I thought she did such a good job. But I read things online saying that she typically would play like they did. Like they remember her as Karen from Mean Girls.

[Becky]

Oh, I don't remember. I remember, but she also did that.

[Kale]

Yeah. She's done Long Bright River.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Becky]

She did several things.

[Kale]

I think that she nailed it.

[Becky]

When I think of Millie, I think of like the girl from you. Love from you. Like, when you look at her, you're like. Like you have some dark twisted to your life that you bring forward.

[Kale]

So, like you were looking for someone that had more of like a. Like calculated, strategic, has. But had a history of playing those types of roles.

[Becky]

For sure.

[Kale]

Okay, I can see that.

[Becky]

And so that's what threw me off. Like, and like the lack of character. Like. Like building, like, emotional.

[Kale]

Well, the Enzo and Millie thing was the ball was dropped there in the movie for sure. Because that there. How do you create the build up for them to end up getting book two and book three? Like, you need Enzo and her to have the chemistry they had in the book for that to continue.

[Becky]

So it continues in the other books. Like, they're think I don't care. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not.

[Kale]

Well, spoiler alert. Yes.

[Tommy]

Spoiler alert.

[Becky]

Before you say something.

[Kale]

Oh, so I don't know.

[Becky]

So while people might think I'm a Sydney Sweeney hater, that's why I just don't think she was right for that role.

[Kale]

Okay. But you know what? It didn't piss me off. I don't know why I was about to say that. I don't know how to pronounce his last name. Brandon Skep. Brandon, the guy.

[Becky]

What's his. What's the character's name?

[Kale]

He played the husband.

[Becky]

He's from my hometown.

[Kale]

So let me look up his name so I don't it up.

[Becky]

He went to Hacketstown High School.

[Kale]

Okay. Brandon. He was also, like, how crazy for him to have been in two of the biggest book to movie adaptations back to back in a year.

[Becky]

But that's also weird. Like, while he did a fantastic job,

[Kale]

they were entirely different.

[Becky]

It was just.

[Tommy]

Just so different.

[Becky]

Like, and to be so close to each other. I don't know.

[Kale]

I think for. For him and his team, that was very smart and strategic because it shows him versatility. Like, you can do this dark character over here and you can do this lover boy over here. I think honestly, that was like a. A really good PR move. But, like, also for them both to be book adaptations, I'm like, oh. Like, I don't know if we can associate him all the time with a book boyfriend or, like, all the time as like, a book character. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Liz]

Yeah. But I think, like, movies are honestly just, like, really trending in that direction because booktok has taken over so much. Like, yeah, so many movies that are coming out are booked.

[Kale]

Movie adaptation streaming on Hulu, streaming on Netflix, Paramount, all of the things, they're all book to movie adaptations. Like, I genuinely think that, like, people who just write movies from scratch are going to be sort of, like, kind of going in the trajectory of cable TV because you don't need them anymore. At the point that you're using a book script and then shortening it is a different craft, in my opinion, than writing a whole TV series or a whole movie. You know, what do they call, like, screenwrite? Screen.

[Liz]

Screenplay.

[Kale]

Screenplay. Thank you.

[Becky]

So can we still be friends?

[Kale]

Yeah, I think that's okay. I think it's fine.

[Liz]

Was that your first, like, book to movie adaptation that you, like, had watched recently?

[Tommy]

Recently.

[Kale]

I think a lot of things that we've watched in the past were booked, moody movie adaptations that we didn't know about.

[Liz]

Right. Like from a book that you read. You know what I mean?

[Kale]

No, no. Like shows on Netflix and Hulu.

[Becky]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kale]

We don't know that, like, you is based on a book.

[Becky]

Yeah, right.

[Kale]

Or like big little. Or pretty big little lies. I think Pretty little liars also, all of them were book, so it's Gossip girl.

[Liz]

Gossip girl is a book.

[Kale]

I never watched Gilmore girls. No, no. So there are. But there are so many. Like, if you look back at some of the shows that you've watched and loved, they've all been adaptations, and we didn't know until we became readers. And then we're in that world, and so it's really interesting. It's kind of hard to avoid being in the book world at this point because people are part of it without like, people were watching his and hers on Netflix that it's like, yeah, it's based on Alice Beanie's book, His and Hers. And I watched it or I read it and then I watched it, and I'm like, it was the number one show on Netflix for some time.

[Becky]

Is All Sinners Bleed turning into a book? I mean, a movie.

[Kale]

Either a movie or a TV series, which I did just start that one. I'm really excited for that. But I'm. Yeah, I think it's going to be really hard for people to avoid being book people because they're going to be watching all these adaptations.

[Becky]

Yeah. Speaking of Gilmore Girls, just to give everyone an update, I'm on season five. I've met Logan. Didn't care for him in the beginning. He started growing on me. But now I don't care for him again. So that's all I'll have to say about that.

[Kale]

Well, I'm gonna start gossip. Nope. I'm gonna start Gilmore Girls in the summertime.

[Becky]

Oh, really?

[Kale]

Yeah. I don't have time right now, but I want to, like, watch it back to back to back. So I'm gonna start it in the summertime.

[Becky]

Okay.

[Kale]

And we're getting closer to the summer, so I feel like I'll have.

[Becky]

You know, because you're gonna have so much time this summer.

[Kale]

I will have time in on the plane.

[Becky]

Have you ever seen Pippi Longstocking?

[Kale]

Yeah. Yeah.

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[Becky]

I was watching Gilmore Girls and they watch Pippi Longstocking and Gilmore Girls and I was like. Like, that just sparked so many memories.

[Kale]

I love Pippi.

[Becky]

Here comes Pippi Long.

[Kale]

Do you remember the girl? It was like a show and it was like the dance Comfy Couch. I loved Big Comfy was there the dancing bananas. And it was like the girl with

[Liz]

the nose, was she a clown?

[Kale]

I don't know that it was called.

[Leah]

She had a big nose.

[Kale]

No, it was like a red, red nose. Girl with bananas.

[Liz]

Yeah, I think it was the Big Comfy couch.

[Leah]

Yeah, I think it was.

[Justin]

And she used to lay on her back and have to do clock.

[Tommy]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Stretching time on the clock.

[Kale]

What was it called?

[Leah]

Big Comfy.

[Becky]

Big Comfy Couch.

[Liz]

And she had like, the little mouse that had like all the dust bunnies underneath. And like, you would go. And there was like a little segment with the dust bunnies.

[Kale]

Oh, my God, I love her.

[Becky]

Where is she?

[Leah]

Oh, wow.

[Liz]

She's on Tick Tock. The account follow Big Comfy Couch on Tick Tock.

[Kale]

Do you think she'll come on Barely Famous Maybe we could do a episode of Big Comfy Couch. We're gonna bring it back. We're gonna bring it back.

[Liz]

I think it might be airing still.

[Kale]

Oh my God.

[Liz]

Such a good show.

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[Liz]

We had it made in the 90s and everything.

[Becky]

There was a. I forgot the show called. There's like a.

[Kale]

No. Yes. I didn't love out of the box. I hated when they did crafts and. Because when would the. Was I gonna do those? Do you know what I mean? Like, it really pissed me off.

[Becky]

There's a show that's itching my brain and I don't even know how to. No, no, no. It's like, like big comfy couch esque. Like that, huh?

[Justin]

Bear in the big blue house.

[Becky]

No, I loved that.

[Leah]

Bananas and pajamas.

[Kale]

Bananas and pajamas.

[Leah]

Gullah Gullah Island.

[Justin]

Oh, that was

[Kale]

big comfy couch. Was my couch.

[Becky]

Oh my God.

[Liz]

I loved Gullah Gullah Island.

[Kale]

I don't know what that is as an adult.

[Liz]

It's probably a little creepy that.

[Kale]

Yeah, I was gonna say Liz.

[Becky]

G U L L A. I don't Remember?

[Kale]

No, I never watched. Is there a dinosaurs? Do you remember the dinosaurs?

[Becky]

Oh, my gosh, I love that show.

[Kale]

Dinosaur baby.

[Justin]

Was it baby bop or something like that?

[Kale]

You're thinking of Barney. Oh, dinosaur show.

[Liz]

I was a Barney girl.

[Kale]

Oh, my God. With.

[Leah]

That was actually a little creepy.

[Kale]

It was, but I loved it with a little baby dinosaur.

[Liz]

Show me.

[Leah]

He used to say, oh, my God,

[Becky]

he was so creepy or something.

[Liz]

Was it like that? It was an ensemble cast.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Liz]

And it was like almost like a skit show.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Liz]

That guy was so creepy.

[Becky]

Today we're talking about dinosaurs.

[Kale]

Hey, Freddy, you gotta see this puppet show. It's terrific.

[Liz]

It wasn't out of the box.

[Becky]

Box. They said the baby. No, it's earlier from the 90s.

[Liz]

They need to bring more shows like that, though.

[Justin]

Keenan and Kel, where are they gonna put them? Who loves on soda, Hulu or Netflix?

[Kale]

Netflix.

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Yeah.

[Kale]

Okay. Period. Anyway, we're gonna have to move on. Rebecca. Like, Rebecca hater. We're gonna have to. I have to differentiate the Rebecca's. But Becky, we're gonna have to move on.

[Becky]

I know, but it's like hurting me.

[Justin]

Hey, Arnold was my.

[Kale]

Hey, Arnold was my favorite. Hey, Arnold was my number one. If I had to rank cartoons from my childhood 1000%, hey, Arnold was number one. And I don't understand Helga Pataki. I don't understand why they haven't rebooted any of the cartoons. Like, they're rebooting everything we don't want, and they're not rebooting the things that we need our. Our children to watch. Like, I need my kids to grow up on. Hey, Arnold and rocket power.

[Becky]

And I can, like. I can like, imagine them singing and dancing it.

[Kale]

Let's. You remember Legends? Oh, yeah. Of the Hidden Temple.

[Leah]

Yeah, I was talking to Chris about that on our Disney cruise. Made him sit there and watch it.

[Kale]

It was so good.

[Leah]

We found old videos on, like, YouTube.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Leah]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kale]

It was so good.

[Leah]

He was not impressed.

[Liz]

I.

[Becky]

You know what I don't think is talked about enough?

[Kale]

What?

[Becky]

How up. The plots are from kids movies from, like the early, like 1990s and 2000s.

[Kale]

Plots. Like what?

[Becky]

Like, like angels and angels in the outfield. Classic movie.

[Kale]

I don't know what that is.

[Justin]

Baseball.

[Becky]

Yeah, it's a baseball movie. It's classic.

[Leah]

It's so good.

[Becky]

It's.

[Kale]

It was the plot.

[Becky]

This kid, this dad put his kid in foster care and told him he would come back when the angels won the World Series.

[Kale]

Why would. Why would anyone do that?

[Becky]

Literally.

[Kale]

I thought you meant like cat dog and like spongebob. Those people were on acid. The creators of those shows were on acid. They were tripping.

[Becky]

Speaking of good television, Big Blue House. No.

[Kale]

Was it Little Bill?

[Becky]

No.

[Kale]

Was it Home Improvement?

[Justin]

Smart House?

[Becky]

No, it wasn't. It was like weird. It was.

[Kale]

It was wild Weird berries.

[Becky]

It wasn't a cartoon. It was real people.

[Justin]

Even Stevens.

[Becky]

No, it was like. It was weird.

[Kale]

Can we just. This is. Oh, bananas. And pajamas.

[Leah]

That's what I said.

[Kale]

I. You know what? I just wish that they would bring back the important cartoons. That's what I wish they would spend their time doing. Because these ass. Short attention spans for YouTube and weird of kids watching other kids play with toys pisses me the off. And children watching gamers play the games on the screen. And you see like on the YouTube video, it's like the little human person playing the game, making commentary with the game screen is so irritating to me. And anytime any of my kids put that on, we're like, turn that off. Put a movie on. Put a show on. Like, I'm not. I don't put limits on TV time because they're not really getting a whole lot of TV time. But that's one thing you're not going to watch.

[Liz]

There are studies that show that the low. It's like low. Stimulating shows that we watched in the 90s and early 2000s are way better than the things kids are watching now. And like the things that they're watching now. Yeah. Are contributing to the overstimulation and also the bad behavior. It's not just like what they're seeing and like mimicking.

[Justin]

It's the overstimulation these kids don't even know about. Goosebumps.

[Kale]

I'm gonna make a cameo in a book to movie adaptation at some point in my career.

[Becky]

Oh, yeah. I feel like I do so well of being a cameo on Scream.

[Liz]

Oh, yeah.

[Kale]

Honestly, just let them kill me on there. A cameo. I want to be a whole character on Scream.

[Becky]

No, but that. That would be funny. You should try the. The new one looks funny. That's coming out. I texted my siblings. We'll see if they do.

[Kale]

You know what's so weird is the word siblings is so weird to me because I. You just said it. And I watched a video yesterday. It was on, I think Tick tock. No, no, it was this morning. And this girl is talking about how she's one of four girls and she's like my siblings. And if you think about that word long enough, it's Like. Like what? Like, we're not ducklings. Do you know what I mean? Like, you think of, like, what do you mean?

[Becky]

Continue.

[Kale]

Like, if you were to have a conversation, I guess you just did it like a casual conversation and you're describing, like, your family or like, my siblings. Like, Like, I. It's hard to picture.

[Becky]

Just mad that you don't have siblings. I have a sister, you have a sibling.

[Kale]

So it's hard for me to, like, picture Elliot or Lincoln saying my siblings. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Like, that's literally heard those words come out their math.

[Kale]

Really?

[Leah]

Yeah, I have. Elliot has said that.

[Kale]

Elliot, Yeah, I guess Elliot. I could picture it, but not Lincoln so much. No, I don't know. But I just think that, like, it's like, would you refer to your brothers and sisters as your siblings? Like, would you say, like, yeah, I have this many siblings. Like, would you use siblings in a real conversation?

[Liz]

No, but I didn't. I wasn't raised with my little brother and my little sister. Sister. So it was just me and my brother. So it was always just my brother and I. I didn't have to say sibling or siblings. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But now I guess I would. I would say if I was telling people, like, people are like, how many siblings? You would have said, I have four siblings. I mean, three siblings.

[Becky]

I say siblings. I saw this TikTok. It was really cute. There's this one creator I really like to follow, and I honestly don't even know her name, but she was saying how she was Lady Luck today, and she'll do, like, small things that she knows other people will think of it being, oh, it's their lucky day. Like, she'll, like, leave a dollar on the ground somewhere. Like, knowing that someone's going to pick it up and be like, wow, like, today's my lucky day. So she called herself and said that she was Lady Luck. And there is this one comment on the TikTok, and it says, my co worker leaves her dad leaves her penny. So when she's covering for me, I'll put a penny in a random place in the office just to make her day. She's a sweet person and I know it makes her day. How cute is that?

[Kale]

Like, doing, like, so intentional. Like, make someone feel good.

[Becky]

Yeah, like, little.

[Kale]

Like, we need to bring a type of humanity back. Because right now everyone just does things just to check off a box to say they did it. Like, that's like, there's no intention or thought behind doing things for people. And I feel like, the intention behind it.

[Becky]

So, like, oh, my God, My brother knew it.

[Leah]

What is it?

[Kale]

So anyways you.

[Becky]

I said, oh, my God, Justin, I do it, kiss you.

[Kale]

Doesn't mean that there's intention behind the action. But the thought to do it is not always because you're like, okay, I'm gonna do this for her. I don't actually care about doing this for her. I'm doing it because it's checking off a box. So, like, there's not always intention behind said thought. It's the. The thought behind or the intention behind the idea. Does that make sense? No. Alessandra, you hear me, right?

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Liz]

I get what you're saying. Like, because, like, women intentionally wanted for other people to feel like they're lucky and, like, to have luck in their day. That's so thoughtful. Like, some people just do things because it's, like, what they would do, but not, like, the intention behind doing it. I get what you're saying.

[Becky]

Yeah. I feel like I. I feel like I operate through life with intention.

[Kale]

Yeah. And I was just saying, like, to bring that. That now more people are just doing things to say they did it or just doing things because they sh. They know they should, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they want to or that it's an intentional thing.

[Liz]

I agree.

[Kale]

Like, oh, I'm just gonna go fill up your water bottle at night, because I know you like your water. But it. Okay, but that's not good enough.

[Liz]

I have that conversation about relationships. Right. Like, relationships can eventually just become monotonous. And you do things because it's just what you always did. Like, Billy always does. X, Y, and Z was like, is the intention. You're doing it because you want to take care of me. Like, what's the intention behind it?

[Kale]

Or you're just doing it because you're

[Liz]

doing it second nature. But, like, it also depends. Like, for me, eventually the intention just became, like, it's monotonous. But it started with wanting to take

[Kale]

care of me for sure.

[Liz]

Fine. Do you know what I mean? So I feel like it depends on

[Kale]

the action when it becomes monotonous, when it just becomes second nature, and there's not really, really intention behind it. We got to switch it up and do something new.

[Liz]

Exactly. I would agree.

[Kale]

It wouldn't be. Instead of. It would be an addition to.

[Justin]

So.

[Kale]

So it's like, okay, I'm gonna do this monotonous thing because I know that this is something I've always done for you, but now also because I want to show you again that I'm intentional. I'm gonna do X, Y, and Z now also. Exactly what is the show, Becky?

[Becky]

There's two of them. I can't. Like, my brother's so smart. He has such a good memory, because he asked me, was it on TV or was it something we had on vhs? Which triggered me to think it must have been on vhs, because I remember just what is it out? It was We Sing in. We Sing in Sillyville and Big Rock Candy Mountain.

[Kale]

I have no idea what those are.

[Becky]

And, like, the. We Sing and Silk like it. He just sent me a video of it, and I'm like, holy. Like, this is so crazy.

[Kale]

What year were you born?

[Becky]

1990.

[Kale]

But I'm the youngest siblings are before the 90s, so that's why I wouldn't have known that.

[Becky]

Because we're here. Because we're here.

[Kale]

Becky's so happy. Are you gonna show this to Bex?

[Tommy]

Yeah.

[Kale]

That's like Barney. That's like, more Barney than anything.

[Liz]

When I, like, see and hear stuff like that, I'm like, oh, maybe I don't want to be a mom. Like, that is so annoying that.

[Becky]

Watching that.

[Liz]

That is so, so annoying. So annoying to me.

[Kale]

Like, I'm a mom, and that is annoying. Nothing about that makes me want to put that on for my children. But, like, obviously you grew up on it, so it's different for you, but for me, I'm like, low key. Just throwing.

[Becky]

Just grew up on mud pies.

[Kale]

Like, I just want my kids to watch Grey's Anatomy in suits. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Like, wait, Becky just said you grew

[Liz]

up on mud pies and sorrow. I don't think you heard her because

[Becky]

it was in my.

[Kale]

Not the sorrow. Not the sorrow. Becky, I would love to. Nothing more than for Becky to sit down with Susie in a quiet room and ask her all the questions. I would. I would pay you to do that.

[Becky]

I would love to.

[Kale]

I would love that so much. We.

[Becky]

I would have to do it. But you couldn't be in the room.

[Kale]

No, I would just be listening from another area. Another. Like, outside, like a van. You know how they would do phone calls and stuff? Yeah, you know, like, because it's like this. The switchboard is in there, and I'm listening. You know what I mean? Like, we're about to do, like, swat, you know?

[Becky]

Okay.

[Liz]

No, you want to swat your mother.

[Becky]

I just want to let you guys know one of my. One of my friends brothers just released a kid show for kids. I think it's between the ages of 2 and 3 or after 2. It's called boogie Bird Birgi Boogie Birds. So if you have kids, go look it up on YouTube. That's all. And now we'll get into Is it karma or is it chaos? I'll read it Is it karma or is it chaos? This is a little long, but I feel like this is frequently talked about on this pod. I have a close friend who will who we will call Mary and at times I have considered her my best friend. Over 10 years ago we had a falling out. I was talking about her then boyfriend who mind you was abusive and alcoholic out of concern to another friend who told Mary we had a falling out due to her defending her boyfriend but rekindled the friendship a few months later. Things have things have really never been fully felt the same since. There has always been a weird sense of animosity or jealousy and I could never understand why. She lives two hours away and would visit often. However, she would leave me out of post with pictures from a weekend I visited or really kind of act like we weren't weren't close publicly. We were single at the time at the same time out of a terrible relationship. When we met our now husbands, I got married quickly and had my first child. I since have had two more children, three in total, and she barely acknowledges them and has never acknowledged my six month old daughter except saying she's beautiful. When she was born she purposely won't won't like photos I posted. My kids also or only my oldest daughter. She got married within the last year. She didn't have me in her wedding which I got over quickly because I personally I'm not a fan.

[Kale]

I've heard everything I needed to say.

[Becky]

I personally am not a fan of bridal parties. Right before I got pregnant with my last child she said her and her husband don't want to have kids. I never questioned it but don't know if I necessarily believe it. But the kicker is out of all this in the last 18 months my husband has been also diagnosed with kidney failure. He has 2% function and hasn't been able to work for a year. He's on at home on dialysis 12 hours a day. So I'm up all night with my kids when they're sick, when they wake up, you name it, it's on me. It's been rough and I'm barely hanging on by a thread with basically having to do everything for my four kids. Also now try and work to get some income for our family. I know I'm not the only one in this position. Big shout out to single moms out there. She has never asked how he's doing. She has seen me post how stressed I am or I have vented and expressed how I'm having a really tough time navigating this and I only get the response of it's my a sad face. It's mind blowing to me. I've always asked her and her her and her husband are and her elderly dad. I've made trips to help her do things for her bridal shower when I wasn't even a bridesmaid. This just feels nuts at this point. I haven't seen her since her wedding and have no desire to really. I've done the friend breakup thing before. I don't feel like going through that again considering it can be worse. Worse than an actual breakup. I'm almost done by the way, but I feel like I'm just being made an ass out of at this point. Is this karma for my taking crap talking crap about her boy then boyfriend 10 plus years ago? Or is this chaos and she's become a terrible selfish friend? Would you confront this or at the big old age of almost 37, keep moving on quietly.

[Kale]

My take on this is that the friendship is not reciprocated. There is something really really weird about her not posting the pictures and things like that. That definitely feels like there's. Maybe she talks about that friend to other people and doesn't want her other friends to see that she's with her.

[Becky]

Some underlining, some animosity for sure.

[Kale]

And this is somebody. If this was me, I would cut them off completely and never look back. I wouldn't even give them an explanation. That is a friend that I would cut off and literally never look back.

[Becky]

Move on quietly. Don't have a conversation not worth it. Doesn't feel like it's bringing value. We're too old for this.

[Kale]

No, at 37 I'm not fighting for your attention and asking for an explanation like you know what kind of friend you're being at that point. And on that note, I gotta go. I gotta take a call. Thank you Rebecca. Thank you Becky Hater for always being here. Love you so much.

[Becky]

Love you.

[Kale]

Bye. Love you. See ya.

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