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Foreign.
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Good evening, good day, and good night.
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Hello, Rebecca Hayter.
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Hello, my friend.
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All right, so I don't have much to add today to this episode because I don't have anything going on at this current moment outside of book club book conversations. Okay, okay, I'll steer the ship.
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All right.
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God. Thank you.
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Speaking of book, do you have D? Like, I was. I've been on like book talk side of, but like fantasy book talk, which is super male dominated for the most part on Tik Tok. But I did see a TikTok talking about the dnf. That means do not. Did not finish, right?
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Yeah.
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So they're like controversial DNF books.
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What? I don't DNF books.
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I don't either. And I feel like I would have missed out on a lot of really good books if I did, because here's the.
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I know reading is so subjective, right? And every book is different. I'm. If. If I read a book and finish it and the first, like one book comes to mind, the first 85 of.
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It was absolutely trash.
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But the last 15, I cried my eyes out. And just for topics, conversation, book club discussions, like those types of books, like, I would not have the same, like.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I wouldn't be able to add any value to the conversation. So for those reasons, I'll just push right through and then I'll just not recommend them.
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That was the first book in the crescent series city for me. That last 20 of the book was like 10 out of 5 stars for me.
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But what were you gonna say about like the fantasies world?
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I don't know. I'm gonna start reading some of these topics from our comaroos. They would like to know about your content. House number one.
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I got this house because I used to have an office. And that office was not like, I was paying the same amount for an office with no place for anybody to stay. And now that all of my bedrooms are taken at my house, I was like, this makes sense because I can use it as an office but also have bedrooms and a kitchen for my team to stay when they come for film for guests to come stay. It's 15 minutes from my house. So, like, if you were to come stay with Leah and Bex, you guys would have this entire house to yourselves while you visit and you have the privacy. But then you're 15 minutes away from me. I don't have to worry about messing with my kids routines at my own house to film long content days. If we're doing like, sometimes Emily and I will film book club discussions. Not the lives that we do, but the discussions. And sometimes that can take three to four hours. So we'll do it at the content house. We're not disrupting the rest of my kids and their regular routines and things like that. And then I just keep. I know it's weird. Like, it's like a weird concept because nobody lives here. So this is basically the content house is where I work from. That's what the whole purpose is with. It's kind of like airbnb vibes with people being able to stay.
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Sum it all up.
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Are you gonna ever rent it out for people? Like, could you, like, let people. What you say?
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No, I wouldn't. Only because there are, like, my personal items are here. And, like, so there's two rooms with beds in them, and then the third bedroom I use as my fulfillment room. So it has books for weekly giveaways, my Chapter 7 bookmarks, and Kindle inserts. I'll take a whole video, you guys. I'll. And I'll have it posted for Karma and Chaos Instagram. So you guys can kind of see what it is over there.
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Good. Did you watch the PDD document?
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You guys can go watch my video on Tick Tock. But also, my feelings are that we already knew that Diddy was a really shitty person, and I stand by that. I think he should be in jail for a lot longer than he is sentenced for. But I do ultimately understand how the jury got to the conclusion that they.
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Got to, which is that there just.
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Wasn'T enough evidence for them to actually.
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Convict him of all the other charges.
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But I'm not shocked by anything in there.
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I didn't watch it, so I don't have any opinions on it.
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Don't watch it. It's. It's honestly not worth it. And it doesn't have anything about the. The things that we wanted to know are not in it, and the things we already knew are in it.
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Good to know. Will not watch. Someone asked how to be a calmer mom. You two are rock stars, especially Kale. I don't know how you do it. I feel like I'm failing because I get so overstimulated and overwhelmed.
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You're not alone. And I yelled at my kids yesterday. So I. I try my best to do the gentle approach, and sometimes it doesn't work. And yesterday I was trying to bathe three toddlers while Lux and Creed were arguing to the point that I was just. I lost my shit. And I told everyone to go to their rooms until I was done bathing the kids and I yelled it. I didn't just tell them, I yelled at them to go to their room. So I'm not perfect.
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And you're.
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You need to give yourself some grace. My biggest thing that I could suggest is for you to have something that you look to for like that peace and like. So if you need a minute to like, give yourself 10, 20 minutes to like. For me, it's reading. I know that if I have not read in a really long time, and I know it sounds crazy, but that's sort of where I go to like, just be mindless and I.
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Which.
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Can you really be mindless when you're reading? I don't know. And then I come back to it and I'm centered and calm. So that's my suggestion. Maybe for you it's, you know, taking a step outside, walking to the mailbox. Maybe it's, um, going into the bathroom and washing your face. I don't know. But you need to give yourself some grace.
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I think that for me, what I've learned is finding like, what overstimulates me and like noises overstimulate me a little bit. So I try to navigate where I'm not putting myself in a situation to be overstimulated by it. Because sometimes I can completely ignore noises. So I don't know. I'm not there yet. I'm. I feel like I'm going to have a hard time too with it. So I'll be asking the question in a couple years from now. This says Kale. Why do you put your kids in so many sports knowing you are stretching yourself thin? Is it because your kids want it? Is it something you push them on? Do you think it helps them socially and mentally? What would you do if you didn't have a million games a month to attend? My husband and I grew up very different. I would compare his upbringing to your child, to your children. Gets what he wanted in every sport from the time he could walk. I grew up poor, couldn't afford food. Wasn't a big sports family. We tried the sports thing with our son. He's not a sports kid. I even tried coaching his soccer teams. I knew nothing about the sport. I thought he would. He might be more into it. Turned out the kid was the one picking the grass, rolling around, and his teammates crushed the other teams. He was only seven at the time.
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Time.
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I don't have a short answer for this. It's kind of long winded and in the beginning of Elliot being able to do sports. I really pushed it. And then I realized he was not a sports kid. And so I pulled back a lot. Javi and Lincoln are big sports people, and just by nature, I think that Lincoln naturally wanted to play himself. I do not put my kids in sports that they don't ask to play. My kids have asked me to play every single. Every single thing that they want to play, and I've never told them no. It's a blessing and a curse. Yes, I guess I'm stretched pretty thin, but I don't know a different way. Especially because when I realized that Elliot was not a sports kid and I pulled back, he found his love of ASL and theater and. And he does that every single day. Like he's an after school programs and things like that. So I don't know, like, it was just something my kids want to do. Like, if my kids today, if I get home today and they tell me they want to do lacrosse, I'll sign them up. Like, I just, I want them to have every option available to them so that they can eventually figure out what they want to do and what they.
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Want to stick with. And if they ultimately decide they don't.
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Want to play sports and they want to do something else, that's fine. But, like, I have, I think what, to answer your question, being spread too thin, like, I have such a good relationship with Elijah, and I have such a good relationship with the guy that I call my dad and his wife. I don't necessarily call her my mom, but they're like parents to me and they love my babies so much and they're willing to help in the evenings if the kids have games and stuff. And so between them and Elijah, like, they make it possible for me to.
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Be able to go do stuff with the older kids.
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And I think that makes such a big difference versus if I didn't have them and it was just me as a single mom by myself, no dads help. It would probably not be possible. And I would have to tell them no. But at the point that my kids are playing sports, and then they say, I don't want to do this again. I don't. Like, I know one of the dads gets on here and says that I put them in sports because I want them in sports. No, in fact, it would be so much easier if they didn't do sports at all. But remember a couple episodes ago was basically crying because mom never put me. Susie never put me in basketball. So, like, I never want my kids to look back and be like. Because My mom put me in cheerleading in like seventh grade. And I was just like, I hate cheerleading. This is. I'm a lesbian. Like, I don't know why you thought that I was going to cheer instead of playing basketball. You know what I mean? And so I look back and I'm just like, what the was she thinking? Like, she tried to force me into dance. I refused, didn't let me play basketball. Forced me into cheerleading when I was overweight and just not. I didn't belong there, you know, Like, I didn't belong in a fucking skirt. So I just want my kids to do whatever they want. My thought is, if they find something.
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They'Re so busy, they can't get in.
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With the wrong crowd because they're so busy they have going on and they can't do experiment with other things. They're keeping themselves occupied. But also, I don't want them to go down the rabbit hole.
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Yeah. And they also love playing like they're sports kids. Like, they love sports if they're not at practice or at games, like they're playing sports at the house.
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And the craziest thing, like, I never thought I would be a mom that's letting my kids play socce in the house. But it's weird when they don't play soccer in the house.
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They're always playing soccer.
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The crazy thing is I love it so much. Like, it, it does not bother me at all. Like if they were playing football in the house, that would piss me off, but for some reason. And what's so funny is that I don't know if I told this on here. I accidentally signed Lux up for a 12 year old team. And so he's been playing with 12 year olds and scoring in almost every game. And it's so funny because I'm like, Lincoln taught those moves to Lux in the kitchen. Like, those soccer moves came from Kale's kitchen.
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A lot happens in that kitchen.
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Let's talk about Rocket Money in the new year.
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I have extreme budgeting goals and I always. You use rocket money? I start with rocket Money every single time. Because the first time I ever got on this app, it canceled eight subscriptions for me right off the bat. I forget what the list was, but I remember it was trials. I forgot that ran out and were auto charging me. I bought two subscriptions for the same exact streaming service. And I was so frustrated that I spent so much money on that without even remembering. And so Rocket Money will do the legwork for you. It's amazing. And if you haven't heard of Rocket Money before. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps you lower your bills so you can grow your savings. I have a lot of savings goals this year. I want to do big things in 2026. So I'm starting all over from square one with Rocket Money. I absolutely love it.
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I talk about it all the time.
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That is literally how I saved for my in ground pool at the house I live in now because Rocket Money made that possible.
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If you guys are interested in it.
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You can also set up automatic transaction categories, categorization across accounts and there are customizable categories and tags to reveal spending patterns, which is really, really helpful. I know for me, I thought that it was going to be way over budget with my food, especially eating out with seven kids, but it turned out that I was right on budget with my my eating out and my grocery budget. It was sort of everything else accumulated.
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That was the problem. So let Rocket Money help you reach.
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Also think it's good for like, it's good structure for Creedon, Lux as well. Even Lincoln. Right. Learning team, like team sports, having directive from a coach, all the things.
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Yeah.
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So Bex will do whatever he wants to do. If he wants to play sports, we'll put him in sports. If he doesn't, don't matter. Me.
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Doing performing arts is just as fun. Like, I love hearing about all the drama. I love hearing about his practice and how it went and tryouts and I love it all. So if it's not sports related, that's fine as long as they're in something. Like if they don't want to do sports, then Home Depot. I don't know if Lowe's does it. Home Depot has a lot of free programs for kids where you can like show up and do a project. At Home Depot, that's an option if your kid's a handy kid. Like, I picture Verse being more like a handy kid. He loves pretending to work on his little dirt bike and like birthday parties. Are you serious?
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Yeah. That's what I want to do with that.
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Oh my God.
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Verse would love that. I'll wait until he's probably three or four. Yeah, but he would love that. And I'm always a Lowe's girly over Home Depot, but now that I know.
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That that's actually like Lowe's does birthday parties, I'm sure That Home Depot does too. But Home Depot is a little homophobic, so I try.
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That's why I'm more like a Lowe's girly. But I did know that Home Depot does those prod, like, projects and stuff. Okay, perfect. So if Lowe's does it, if your kid's not a sports kid and you feel like maybe because that's something that you can drop in and. Or like, a grandparent or an aunt and uncle, godparent, whatever, can, like, drop in with your kids to do it.
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So if you're looking for activities for your kids to do.
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I'm just trying to answer that woman's questions. Is like, you want them to do something. You don't want the full season commitment. You can go. The public library has a lot of activities, and then Home Depot and Lowe's have a lot of activity activities that there's no commitment to. So, like, if you're wanting to stay busy but on your own terms, that's.
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Those are great options.
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Agreed. Attractive Hamster said. Feeling pressured to host for my side of the family and my husband's when others are capable. Also going, going broke and feeling like you have to buy gifts for people you don't know. My nieces who are young, middle and high school are bringing their boyfriends to our family party. I'm not a Grinch, y'. All. I just don't think we need to buy gifts for everyone. We already, we already do an ornament game. Plus, I buy for my siblings and their kids. You know, if you have a big family, don't do gifts. Implore or explore. Explore other options. We do white elephant, typically where you just buy one gift and then it's, you know, white elephant style, which is great. Y' all don't need to be buying gifts for everyone. It. In this economy.
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No, no, I don't. Here's the thing. You could also see if there is a way to do, like, a group. If you have a lot of nieces or nephews to do a group experience of some sort. Or like, literally put it, do a game night like you're invited. Do an invitation to everyone and say you're invited to a game night at your house and use the board games you already have. Like, yeah, it could be an experience that is literally free.
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Secondary to that, the hosting both sides. Like, I, I love hosting. Like, I love being able to host, but that's just me. If you can't afford to do that, ask people for money. Ask, like, people like, hey, chip in for the food.
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Like, oh, That's a great, like, hey, I would love to host everybody this year.
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Everyone brings a dish.
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Financially, I can't do it. I would love to have you guys over to my house, but do you mind everybody bringing a dish or do you mind throwing in $5? I'll go do the grocery shopping or.
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I'll get catering, whatever.
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Easy peasy.
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I think that's a great idea. And I don't think it would not offend me if, if you, for example, like, you invited me for Christmas and if you, if you texted me and you were like, hey, Kayl, like, I would love to have you, you know, with, with the amount of people that are coming, I just can't financially swing it. If you don't mind bring a dish. Or if you were like, hey, everyone's.
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It's also not even like a financial thing sometimes. Right? Like, my fair. Like, I'm having friends. We have our friends Christmas thing the day before Thanksgiving, like, or Thanksgiving the day before Christmas. And like, it's about, like, preparation. Like the, like prepping all the food and cooking all the food and getting everything ready. Having a potluck is sometimes just easier. Like, hey, just bring, like, everyone just bring a dish so that one person doesn't have to do everything of it.
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Yeah.
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So there's a million reasons. And like, don't buy your niece's boyfriends birthday Christmas present. Like, you know, I, like, I. I don't know. When I was younger, we. My mom would bring us to the dollar store to buy gifts for everyone. And that was. It was fun because, like, we got to pick a gift for everyone in the family. It didn't break the bank. Like, it was literally like, so someone would be opening up, like dollar store gloves. But it was like, cute and fun. I'm not buying my entire family gifts. No way.
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I'm really weird about gifts in general. And I say this with the kindest meaning behind it and the utmost respect to anyone. If you are concerned about getting everybody in the, in the family again, like, I have seven kids. Like.
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It'S a, like, kids enjoy. Like, it's about the holiday spirit. It's not about what the you're getting. Like, my friend, let's. Like one of my friends, if it's like her husband's birthday, she'll take the kids to the dollar store to let them pick out gifts for him for his birthday. It's because it's cute. They think, they're thinking they're getting things for dad. And like, whether it's like candy or like something silly. Like it's the act of like, of it. It's not about what the gift is.
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I disagree.
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That's fine. But that's for me.
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I would rather. It's not cute. To me. It's a waste of money. And I would rather. If you're going to take my kids to get me a gift, I don't want the junk. It's gonna collect junk I'm gonna feel bad about giving. I'm not trying to be mean.
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Like, I know you're not.
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I'm not trying to be mean. It's just that, like, I don't. Especially from like another parent to another parent. You're taking the kids. Why are you taking them to the Dollar store? For that?
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No, this isn't for that kind of scenario. Explain. Oh, that, that, Yes. I thought you meant like a separate family. I think that's so cute. I can't wait to do that.
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To take them to the Dollar store.
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Why?
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Yeah, because then, like, they'll have this, like, so much excitement of like picking things out that remind them that they.
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Buy the Dollar store.
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Because why are you gonna spend a lot of money on like, random things?
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I don't want random things.
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I know, it's so cute.
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No, it's not cute because it's.
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It's cute.
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Until you realize that, okay, 10 years down the line, you're still holding on to this thing that has.
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No, you don't have to hold on to it. Listen to this. Listen this. It's the experience. Would I rather pay $5? That is gonna be time consuming also for my kid, that I would pay $5 to bring them into a museum. That's takes two hours of his time, right? We're gonna get to go into the Dollar store. I'm gonna spend 10 bucks max, right? And he's gonna be giggling, looking around, being like, oh, I think mom would love this. And it's like a dinosaur that he wants, right? Like, and it's just cute and fun.
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There's nothing cute or fun about that to me.
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Guys, you guys better back me up here because my mind, you know what it is?
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It's the mom guilt of having to hold on to it and not being able to part ways with these trinkets that are from the Dollar store. And that is what I have a hard time with.
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No, you get rid of everything. You gave me a box that had like Valley's birth hat in it.
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Sorry, I don't give a about my birth hat. So I don't think my kids want Theirs.
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Oh, wow. All right. This says. Don't know if this is a question, but hearing Kale's story on her dad, I related in so many ways. I've been no contact with my mom for years now. She's a narcissist. My dad passed away in January of this year. Coming up on one year anniversary and just contemplating if I should reach out to my mom or let it be from. For my mental health. It's been peaceful and scared and I'm scared of opening that door again and regretting letting her potentially ruin my peace. But also I'm scared I will regret. Regret never trying to have a relationship with her. I'm at such a loss what to do.
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I think if you're at peace right now, as it stands, I would not open that can of worms again. That's something that I go back and forth with all the time about my mom. And I'm at so much peace not having her in my life that I think it would stress me out more to try to have a relationship with her. Obviously that goes sort of against everything that I have said when it came to Raymond, my dad. But I wasn't talking to him for very different reasons. He doesn't. He didn't have like an addiction or a drug problem. He wasn't an alcoholic to my knowledge. So like, very different reasons. But for my mom, I can't. My best suggestion is to leave it alone if you have peace right now. Because you can't play off the what ifs, right? Like you can't say, well, what if I'll regret it or what if this.
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Or what if that.
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Right now you're at peace, you need to operate off of right now.
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I don't have any opinion because I've never been in that situation. So you're the expert.
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C
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I don't know. People are gonna rip me to shreds for the dollar store conversation, so I hope they do. They will. They're going to. But it is what it is.
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So cute.
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It's not like it might be cute in the moment, but it's not cute later on, you know?
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Yeah, you could just throw everything out. It did like, okay, you can grow up. Grief during the holidays, a lot of people commented, like, talking about grief during the holidays, how to stay positive when there's kids and. Or like how I don't, I don't know if I will ever be the right person to give advice on grief.
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Because.
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B
I really, truly find, like, try to find things to enjoy life. Like, I, I think I feel really bad when people think that grief needs to be always be in the front seat. And I've said this a million times, like, grief doesn't always need to be driving. Like you're allowed to be happy in happy moments while grieving. And so I like fully accept that, like I fully live in a world where grief doesn't own my life. And like I allow myself to feel sadness. I allowed myself to feel just moments of like missing my dad. Like he should be here in this moment, he should be here being able to celebrate with us. But like, I cannot change that. He is not here. Nothing. How I feel in this world, in this life that I'm living is going to change that fact. And like, I don't want to live a life of like, sadness and like heaviness and misery and he wouldn't want me to live that life either. So I like, don't succumb to grief in that way. Like, I don't let it ruin my life currently. But like, it's just like be like I, when I think of my dad, I think of like a lot of happy things. Like when I talk about Christmas, I think about like when I was in the kitchen dancing. It was with him. Like, it. But like, like that brings me so much happiness to think of. And yeah, it's sad that he's not going to be here like for those other moments. But like I have other people that are here still that like I'm making those memories with and one day they won't be here and like I'll be able to think of those memories with them as well. So it's just like continuously like focus on creating the memories with the people that are here. It sucks. Like losing a parent, losing anyone, it sucks. Especially someone that's like very present man. Like, life is so short, like light. Like, like this life is so short. You got. You gotta figure out a way to get past that and like just shove like, just punch grief in the stomach and be like, get the. Away from me. Let me.
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C
I'm glad that you took the reins on that one because I'm perfectly fine not celebrating holidays because of several factors, several reasons. But grief is not what I don't know that I would consider it grief. And I, I love what you just said about there are people still here that you want to celebrate with. And so, you know, maybe it's easier said than done for someone like you. I don't know. Because I know that you, you put so much effort into all of your relationships that maybe it's just different for you. But for me, like, I don't know. I. I don't, I don't. I don't know that what I have is holiday grief. I think it's just. I like to be by myself for the holidays.
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B
I think it's also situational to who you're grieving because, like, I'm sit thinking, like, if I lost Leah, like, that would be a different grief for me. Or if I lost a child, like, that would be a different grief for me than losing a parent. Like, I lived my entire life knowing my parents were gonna die, right? Like, I've never lived a day in my life where, like, I think I know that Leah's gonna die or I know my kids are gonna die, right? Like, I hope to be gone before they. They are. So, like, I think that the grief for the person is different as well.
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C
Yeah, I would agree with that.
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B
So that's. That's all folks. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, this says. I literally don't even want to know what the you will say to this, but if you had to plan each other a vacation, where would you send each other and add in details of things like that you would have them do, foods to try, etc.
- [30:14]
C
Okay, I. If I could plan a trip for you, I would try to pick somewhere that you've never been and the first place that comes to mind for me. And I don't know if you've been there, but I feel like you've never been to Japan.
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B
I want to go so bad.
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C
I would pick Japan for you and I would. I would want you to try like a ball, like the bars that they have, whatever liquors that are like, like custom to Japan and then all their foods. And I would see if they have any sort of like variation of ramen that I could take you to. And I'm also on this trip, obviously, and Elliot, Japan is also. He really wants to go to Japan. It's on his bucket list. And I feel like they're so like fashion forward and like super like accepting of all walks of life. So I feel like that would be so fun to just like go on like some sort of like fashion adventure to try to like, wear the Japanese styles and then try ramen. Try some different sakes and different, like, liquors that they have over there. I think that would be really fun.
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B
That I. That was a really good answer.
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C
Oh, thanks.
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B
I wasn't expecting that at all. Really? Yeah.
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C
Like, I feel like you would have so much fun in Japan.
- [31:35]
B
Yeah, that was so good. Fascinating. Where would I take you? You've been a lot of places.
- [31:49]
C
Maybe Amsterdam.
- [31:51]
B
I, like, my initial thought was I would. Before I chose a place, I would collect a little bit of recon on, like, your favorite books that you've read.
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C
Okay. Okay.
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B
And then create a trip based on the books that you've read. Like, in the experiences that were in that book. Like, huh.
- [32:14]
C
Wild.
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A
Dark shore.
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B
Wild. Okay, so I. I'm gonna come back with my answer after. After I'm not reading it, but I'll look at.
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C
No. Do some research on it, because I can put myself right in that book.
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B
Okay. Because then I'm like, oh, like, I feel like she would love to, like, see that. And then I could build kind of from that.
- [32:33]
C
Or in the Nightingale slash the Storyteller. I feel like those are also. Like, I could go on.
- [32:37]
B
Like, I do think that you would have a huge emotional impact by going to the Anne Frank house. And, like, I would love to bring you to Amsterdam.
- [32:47]
C
I'm down. Could you imagine, though, like, from this episode, could you, like, the same way. When we started this podcast, we were like, oh, my God, we're starting it. And then one year came, and we're like, oh, my God, we've been doing this for one year. Like, could you imagine a year from now? We actually put these plans into motion, and we actually do these trips that we just are talking about today.
- [33:09]
B
I would. We should plan a sick Japan trip.
- [33:13]
C
That would be. First of all, it's on Elliot's bucket list. So we could all go, let's do.
- [33:17]
B
It for his high school graduation.
- [33:20]
C
Wait, that's like, does anyone know? Maybe you know the answer to this. I've never done it, but I'm wondering if it's possible for a trip like that. So he's graduating in two years.
- [33:30]
B
Yeah.
- [33:31]
C
Could I start a payment plan so that I'm, like, paying increments on it so that it's not, like, one big cost right up front.
- [33:38]
B
Yeah. Really, we should find a travel agent and literally do it.
- [33:45]
C
I didn't even think about it, like, because he's getting a car next month. But I never do it for his.
- [33:49]
B
High school graduation, because two years from now, we'll probably have two kids, but, like, they'll be old enough pregnant.
- [33:55]
C
Right, right, right, right. I didn't know if you could. I know for cruises you can pay on them over time.
- [34:01]
B
I mean, we could just open. You can just like, put it to the side yourself, too. Like, you don't need someone to hold it. Like, you could just send it to me and you could put it into an account, but you can get a travel agent and, like, they can take.
- [34:16]
C
Well, I just didn't know if you could make payments directly to. To whatever, like. Like the resort or whatever else. Like, I just didn't know if that was like, just a hand.
- [34:25]
B
I don't think you would do a resort. I mean, if you did, I don't know.
- [34:29]
C
I would have to talk to a travel agent in general because I don't know anything about. I know the flight is going to be the most expensive part of it.
- [34:35]
A
But.
- [34:38]
B
I'm so down. What was the book again?
- [34:40]
A
You said Wild Dark Shore needs follow.
- [34:44]
C
Up on this Wild or the Nightingale slash the Storyteller with Amsterdam situation. Yeah, the Amsterdam easier than Wild Dark Shore gives like the play. I know it's not in Australia. Not Australia, in. What's the other one? Antarctica. But it's. It gives like, very isolated vibes. And a trip to. And you can do a trip to Antarctica because my. Do you remember my friend Danielle? Well, she went to Antarctica and she did a whole, like, situation there. So you can go there as a trip, but like, that's the sort of like this isolated location with like, a seed bank. You have to look it up. It's. It's one of my favorite books of all time. Okay. But it's like, very isolated. It's not like it wouldn't be like a fun trip. It would be, like, very education based.
- [35:33]
B
Yeah. I feel like you would like that, though. Like, if you had time to yourself to do, like, reading while you're taking a train to a place to, like, sit, you know?
- [35:42]
A
Yeah. I just got all my kids back in the house today after a really long break. And the first thing that my kids wanted was their high vitamins.
- [35:54]
C
We love high vitamins over here.
- [35:55]
A
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B
Anyway, it says Rebecca Hayter. Are you planning on doing any sort of coaching through killer sports? I feel it's right up your alley though. I know the distance sucks. I am absolutely not going to be traveling.
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C
Wait, could you do like a guest clinic?
- [37:40]
B
For sure.
- [37:41]
C
I don't know. Like would you do soccer, rugby, something?
- [37:46]
B
I'd probably do soccer because I feel.
- [37:48]
C
Like that I just overall like.
- [37:53]
B
Like maybe like something just for girls and.
- [37:55]
C
Just like to have like a guest. That's the plan is to have like clinics, like educational clinics on certain sports and things like that. Like just running a clinic would be so fun.
- [38:07]
B
Just like drill really passionate about, about teaching kids how to be better teammates and people than necessarily teaching them skills in sports.
- [38:15]
C
Sportsmanship could go a long way, honestly.
- [38:18]
B
Like what that while I'm not going to be working, I think it would be cool if you finish out your proof of concept that I open a killer sports here in New Jersey.
- [38:30]
C
I know I. You did say that to me and it's not a bad idea. I passed a billboard yesterday while I was driving and it was like mega millions. It was like $60 million and I'm like, what would I do? And then the first thing that came to mind was like killer sports on crack, where it's like a huge complex with like just tons of things, not just like one big warehouse of turf. That would be like what I do with it. But yes, I agree to just expand into your state. But then who's going to run it there? Because you work a full time job and have a podcast and a family, so it's not like you could run it.
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A
It.
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B
Yeah, but you. You run the operations of it, so you hire the right people to do the day to day operations.
- [39:13]
C
True. Well, we'll see how this one goes. My cousin has one in Hudson, New Jersey, and she. Not a killer sports, but just basically the same thing I'm doing. She already has it and she said that she doesn't make any money. She just breaks even every month. So it's more like a passion project. I think she would like to make money, but it's. She breaks even.
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A
Okay, well, so we'll see.
- [39:36]
B
Come here, boy. Ready? One, two.
- [39:42]
A
Whoa.
- [39:46]
C
So happy all the time. Thanks.
- [39:50]
B
You're so happy.
- [39:53]
A
Happy.
- [39:54]
C
Say hi. Hi, happy boy. Look at the drool. Look at the drool. Who is that you doing?
- [40:06]
B
We did have a little before. Oh, is that why he started screaming?
- [40:10]
A
Why he started screaming? Yes. I was not quick enough.
- [40:15]
B
Thank you for the kiss on the cheek.
- [40:18]
C
Hi, Max. What he doing? You got. Your mom's there. Yeah, I know.
- [40:32]
A
Mama.
- [40:34]
B
Can you say ma?
- [40:36]
C
You think, like, would it bother y' all if. And this is for both of y'. All. Would it bother y' all if he just called both of y' all mom or both of y' all mama? No, no.
- [40:45]
B
I don't care if he calls me Becky.
- [40:48]
C
People get so offended when my kids call me Kale. And I think it's so funny. Like, I don't care.
- [40:54]
B
Dad would be weird.
- [40:55]
C
Yeah, that would be weird.
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B
Don't even think about it. Don't even think about it.
- [41:05]
C
Yeah.
- [41:07]
B
Thank you.
- [41:10]
C
You can go take a nap.
- [41:11]
B
Nap time. Bye.
- [41:13]
C
Bye.
- [41:15]
B
What is something that you both are looking to accomplish in 2026?
- [41:20]
C
I have a lot of financial goals for 2026 in order to start construction on the new house, which I've gone back to and forth with for the past eight months. So, financially speaking, I have a lot of financial go. A lot of financial goals. I also really, really, really just want to put all my love, sweat, and tears into killer sports. I want it to be a safe space for the community and potentially expand that by the end of 2026.
- [41:48]
B
Love that.
- [41:49]
C
What about you?
- [41:51]
B
I would say, professionally, I would like to see for the haters grow in 2026. That would be cool. Personally, I'd like to find my new self in 2026. Like, who am I now? I was speaking about this the other day. Like, I think it was with my therapist. It's not that I don't feel like myself. There's just so many different. Like, there's so many different parts of me, and being a mom took over and, like, is top priority. And so I don't need help finding myself. It's like, I need help prioritizing because I can no longer be all these people. And so I need to find out what's important to me to level with being a mom. Like, what aspect of me is going to balance me to bring me, like, the most happiness? And so, like, I can no longer give myself to a million things because, like, like, it's just not possible anymore. So I'm looking forward to, like, finding my new, like, happiness.
- [43:00]
C
I love that, actually. I think that's great. I think it's great that you recognize that you can't be all of those people that you've always been and I'm not. You know, I've always known you to put a lot of thought and effort into all of your relationships, and I.
- [43:14]
A
Always respected that about you.
- [43:16]
C
But I do also know that, like. Like, once you have children, you. It sort of puts it into perspective that you're like, I love all these people, and I wish that I could put the same amount of effort and love into them. But whether you have one kid or five or ten, becoming a parent changes all of those relationships. And I know that some people might write into us and say, well, that's not true. I was able to, you know, keep and maintain all these relationships. Well, well, I'm happy that that worked out for you, but that's not the case for everybody. And. And I think that as people have kids and families and then their friends are having kids and families, they. Everybody sort of recognizes where they can't make the same priorities be their priorities when they have a family. And so, like, for me, it's like, if you're not texting me as much as you used to, like, I recognize that it's because you have a family, you have children, you have, like, a wife, you have. You know, it doesn't. You know, obviously we wish that we could talk more or see each other more, but I think that's great. I think just even recognizing that it's not possible for you to be all.
- [44:23]
B
Those people is a really good start to 2026, baby.
- [44:27]
C
2026 has to be better than 2025 because when I tell you that 2025 put me on my ass, I cannot realize I cannot do that again.
- [44:41]
B
I also want to see more karmarus here.
- [44:44]
C
Yeah. Facts I would love and maybe some.
- [44:46]
B
Live shows for 2026.
- [44:47]
C
I would love that.
- [44:48]
B
Yeah. And and then someone and said that it's the same person they said also speaking of, we have not had to Update on your 2025 CRY log. I was gonna do it in January. Like I was gonna wait for the year to end for me to do my Someone said saba fi rap wrapped.
- [45:09]
C
Can you make a whole graphic on chat GPT for that please?
- [45:12]
B
First 100 I saw someone do it. Everyone was tagging me in her tick tock and she only cried like 200. A little over 200 times this year. I'm like what? Almost 500 times?
- [45:24]
C
Becky, you are over 300 by like 3/4 of the way through the year.
- [45:31]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone asked if I will be keeping my day job. I will be keeping my day job until I I really think it would be based on if like for the haters takes off and like karma and.
- [45:43]
C
Chaos if Cameron, the only thing with.
- [45:45]
B
Karma and chaos that would still concern me is like it's not just solely up to me. Like it's like you could decide or something could happen to you that like would no longer like not us. I'm not afraid about like friction us like your life of something happen and then like I not that I couldn't go back to my career. I like my job. I like my career. Like, it doesn't add stress to my life. I enjoy what I do and until it feels like it has a negative impact, I probably wouldn't even like consider but if for the haters took off, I would consider it.
- [46:27]
A
All right.
- [46:27]
C
It's the new year.
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A
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C
It's kind of like if it's the way that things are working right now, let it work the way it is. I mean obviously if you took off on social media would, it would be a different conversation.
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B
I would, I will be trans. I would have to make like well over 300k from all of the, all of like social media podcast stuff for me to feel comfortable quitting my job. Not that I make that much in my job but like the security of it. Like I would like if, if I was making just as much as I was making, I wouldn't quit to like feel like, okay, I can feel comfortable quitting because I can be smart with my money, save, invest so that if something happens I have like cushion to also.
- [48:44]
C
That's a really good point because for social media to be your full time job, you also have to know that that's going to focus, fluctuate for sure. So having those really high standards of what you would have to make on social media, that makes sense because you're like, okay, if I'm making double and I and it and my like viewership or whatever that looks like starts to drop.
- [49:06]
B
Yeah. Then you're just stressed. You have obligated wiggle room.
- [49:10]
C
But if you're just breaking even and then your list, your listens or your views drop, you're fine. So you do have to, I mean, yeah. And like, I don't know, I, I do not rely like, people might think I make so much money on social media. I would not. I do not make a lot of money on social media.
- [49:33]
B
And I. And the thing about like the more followers you have, the hard is to make money. Like the RPM and like all like, it is vastly different. Like, and I think social media does that on purpose because when I started making money on TikTok, my RPM was so high, it was like a dollar or something like that. And like that, like, it's like sense when you have millions of followers.
- [49:56]
C
So I looked at how much I made on TikTok this year versus last year and I made almost half this year.
- [50:05]
B
That's crazy. Half of like, you've posted a ton.
- [50:10]
C
I post almost every single. Almost every single day on Tick Tock.
- [50:13]
B
Yeah.
- [50:14]
C
And I mean, I seems to be.
- [50:17]
B
The best and most con, like, consistent. Not consistent. It's like weirdly the easiest because you make money off of like story views and just like likes. I don't know.
- [50:31]
C
So my monthly social media income in full transparency could not cover my monthly bills.
- [50:38]
B
No.
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C
In any way, shape or form. So it's like I. It's always interesting to me and I, I do struggle with it. It's an identity thing for me. So if we're talking, talking about 2026, I would love to find who Kale is because I really am just a girl that was on TV and I capitalized off of it for some time. But I don't make, you know, I don't. One, I don't make high quality content like the Emily Kaisers and the Michaela Nagara. Like, I don't make that site, that sort of content. I wish I could, but I just, I'm not tech savvy. I don't know how to do it. I don't know that I have much to talk about. I do not. Like, I could not on my social. My social media income alone could not pay my bills for a year.
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B
Yeah.
- [51:25]
C
No, Couldn't feed seven children with my social media income. So I think you saying to double your income would make sense.
- [51:33]
B
And here we are. That's showbiz, baby. But who knows? Maybe something will happen. Maybe there's like. Like I know that I'm gonna win the lottery. I just don't know when.
- [51:42]
C
No, we're okay. Here's the thing though. Like, if I win the lottery, can we split it? And then also if you win the lottery, can we split it?
- [51:49]
B
Yeah.
- [51:50]
C
Because then I feel like there's higher chances.
- [51:53]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [51:55]
C
Okay, cool.
- [51:57]
B
I don't really Play it that often.
- [51:59]
C
But it's like, I'm gonna win, but I don't even play it to win.
- [52:04]
B
So. Yeah. On if you.
- [52:11]
C
Oh.
- [52:11]
B
Biggest misconceptions about each other. Biggest misconception.
- [52:15]
C
I don't think there are any misconceptions about you.
- [52:18]
B
Like, between us. Yeah. Like, unless it's, like, biggest misconceptions that people might think of us.
- [52:24]
C
Yeah. But I don't think people think anything of you. I think people love you.
- [52:28]
B
That's nice.
- [52:30]
C
Yeah.
- [52:32]
B
To wrap this episode up, Kayla's gonna read a listener write in.
- [52:35]
C
I am gonna read a listener.
- [52:36]
A
Light it.
- [52:37]
C
Write in. I will do that. It's not an is it karma or is it chaos? But it's a listener request. Hey, Becky. First, I want to say what a huge fan I am of. Of for the haters and Carmine Chaos. My wife is the super fan of all time and got me listening to them, and I am hooked.
- [52:55]
A
I want to try, try to keep.
- [52:56]
C
This short and sweet because I can only imagine how many emails you must read. My wife is literally the best woman, wife, mother, and best friend on the planet. She runs our farm currently and specializes in specialty cut flowers. She used to host events here like bridal showers, wedding, and even kids birthday parties. Prior to that, she did inner city, an animal rescue for a dozen years, and even had her own 501C called Pitties and kitties. Her birthday is the day after Christmas, and she shares that date with her biological father, who is not in the picture in any fashion. So it's always been kind of a.
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A
Bittersweet day for her.
- [53:29]
C
This year, she'll be turning the big 40. So we decided to change our Christmas tradition and spend the entire week in New York City with our three children and Rachel's parents. I was just wondering if there's some little thing that I could get you and Kale to possibly do for me. Something as little as a happy birthday shout out to Rachel in Raymore, Missouri, or something like that. Maybe even just an email from. To her from YouTube. Whatever you think is feasible and not a burden to either of you or your busy schedules. I do truly struggle. Struggle with being romantic, if I'm honest. So I'm just trying. Why is this gonna make me cry? So I'm just trying to think of any sweet things I could do for her just so she knows how much she means to me and our family. I could write a novel on how great she is, but wanted to keep this sweet. I'm open to any kind of idea, you or any of the karma and chaos crew.
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A
Have hope you get to read this.
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C
And huge congrats to you and Leah on baby backs. He's gonna have the. The ladies wrapped around his fingers.
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A
Have a great day, Derek.
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B
Oh, this is.
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C
Oh, my God.
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B
Lesbian.
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C
This whole time I also thought it was a lesbian. Sorry, Derek. Maybe.
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B
Wait, that makes it even. Like, how sweet is it that he reached out?
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C
Why is Derek making me cry? Okay, first of all, let me just stress to all the people listening to this podcast, tag your husbands. Because if you are not like a Derek, if you are not cheering for your wife. Wife on the sidelines and emailing her favorite creators and podcasters, you're. The bar is in hell. Okay? This is what men are supposed to do for their partners. And this is why Leah is not with a man. She's with Becky. Because women are just the better species. And unless you're like Ryan, Leonard or Derek, you can't.
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B
Okay, wow. Shout out Derek.
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C
We love Derek.
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B
We love Derek. Rachel, I'm guessing, is your name Rach? We love you. Yeah, Rachel.
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C
We love you, Rachel.
- [55:31]
B
First of all, happy birthday, Rachel. We're gonna send you.
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C
Maybe we can send her Merch. Yeah, Derek, Please send us your address and sign reach out. Yes, we will make that happen. It might not come in time because merch does take a little bit of time. Yeah, but you will have it. It might be late, but you will have it.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And I just love this message so much. Shout out to Derek. You are setting the the bar where it needs to be for men.
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B
For real. And like, what? Like you're reading this and I'm like, I want to go to their farm.
- [56:07]
C
I thought that they were going to ask you to meet them in New York City.
- [56:11]
B
Maybe I should.
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C
I, I. That's where I thought this was going to be.
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B
Maybe we'll go to Missouri.
- [56:16]
C
I wish we could go to Missouri. Remember when I dated that guy that was in a prison in Missouri?
- [56:22]
B
No, he's back in prison. I have no clue what you're talking about.
- [56:27]
C
Oh, I dated this guy and he was an inmate in Missouri state facility.
- [56:32]
B
Anyway, okay, thank you all for listening. It has been a wonderful time. I hope you guys find the peace happiness this Happy New Year. Thank you for all that you've done this year for us and thank you for being here. We love you.
- [56:49]
C
Yes, thank you to all of our karma roos and spouses listening to us. We love you. We love you, Derek and Rachel, Happy birthday and we will see you in 2026.
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B
2026, baby. Love you. Bye.
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C
See.
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D
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C
Free.
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D
This is the mantra.
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B
Free.
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D
This is the with movies like Joe dirt, pixels and 50 first dates, this is awesome. And TV shows like Survivor, SpongeBob SquarePants, the Fairly Odd Parents, and Ghosts. Pluto TV is always free.
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C
Huzzah.
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D
Pluto TV stream.
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C
Now pay.
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E
Never.
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C
You're welcome.
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F
Hi, I'm Lauren. And I'm Chandler. And we're the hosts of Pop Apologist podcast, a weekly podcast devoted to celebrity gossip, Hollywood deep dives, Real Housewives, drama, and anything and everything. Taylor Swift. We're two sisters who make no apologies for our love of pop culture and the fact that a listers might mean more to us than each other. Join us on your favorite podcast app every Wednesday for Pop Apologists. Pop Apologists, your new favorite sister and celeb podcast.
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