Stamp Club Secrets & Summer Scandals

Summary

Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter Episode: Stamp Club Secrets & Summer Scandals Release Date: May 27, 2025

In the "Stamp Club Secrets & Summer Scandals" episode of Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter, hosts Kail (referred to as Kale) and Becky navigate a blend of nostalgic reminisces, personal anecdotes, and lively discussions that encapsulate the unpredictable journey of adulthood in their 30s. Here's a detailed summary of the episode's key points, enriched with notable quotes and structured for clarity.

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1. Nostalgia and Hobbies: The Stamp Collection Revelation

The episode kicks off with a surprising revelation from Kale about her longstanding stamp collection. Previously unknown to many listeners, Kale delves into her passion for stamp collecting, tracing back to her third-grade days.

• Kale: "I have a really, really big stamp collection... I was in stamp club... started collecting stamps in third grade." [05:29]

The conversation shifts to the challenges of maintaining and appraising such a collection, highlighting the rarity and historical significance of some stamps from the 1800s. Casey expresses initial bewilderment but quickly becomes intrigued, showcasing the hosts' dynamic chemistry.

• Casey: "When... Why in my entire life is this the first time I'm hearing of a stamp collection." [07:25]

2. Embracing Femininity: Discussions on Merchandise and Identity

Becky introduces a segment on their latest lesbian merchandise, emphasizing the importance of staying true to their identities while fostering a sense of community.

• Casey: "And I'm gonna send it to my attorney because she texted me and agreed she's also a lesbian..." [00:36]

This light-hearted banter underscores their commitment to celebrating their sexuality, blending humor with heartfelt intentions.

3. The Rollercoaster of Femininity: Menstruation and Emotional Well-being

A pivotal moment in the episode revolves around the emotional fluctuations associated with menstruation. Kale candidly shares her experiences of mood swings leading up to her period and the contrasting feelings post-menstruation.

• Kale: "It's just crazy what being a female can do to a person... I literally felt like I hated my life." [01:19]

Casey empathizes, acknowledging that while pre-period emotions can be intense, the actual experience of menstruation often brings a sense of relief.

• Casey: "I worry about the people who are like, I'm bleeding and I'm raging because I'm like, I don't." [02:02]

This segment offers a relatable exploration of female hormonal experiences, fostering a deeper understanding among listeners.

4. Balancing Life and Parenting: Sleep Arrangements and Family Dynamics

The conversation seamlessly transitions to personal stories about marriage and parenting. The hosts discuss their unique sleep arrangements with their partners, touching on the humor and challenges that come with it.

• Casey: "I think it's great. I also want a his and hers bathroom or hers and hers bathroom." [23:44]

They share anecdotes about their children's personalities and the impact of their parenting styles, emphasizing the importance of flexibility and understanding in familial relationships.

• Casey: "Creed wants to hear that he's funny. He wants to hear that he's handsome and he looks good..." [51:07]

5. Side Projects and Community Engagement: "For the Haters" Podcast

Kale introduces her personal podcast, "For the Haters," where she interviews individuals about their life struggles. She highlights the therapeutic impact of sharing personal stories and aims to create a supportive community through her platform.

• Kale: "For the Haters is my personal podcast. It's an interview-based podcast that I interview people... in hopes that by them sharing their story, it'll help other people feel less alone." [17:06]

Casey adds her support, discussing similar themes from her own podcast endeavors, thereby reinforcing the episode's focus on community and mutual support.

6. Navigating Social Situations: Invitations and Emotional Responses

The episode delves into the complex emotions surrounding social invitations. Kale shares her struggle with feeling excluded from events, while Casey presents a contrasting viewpoint of preferring to stay out of certain gatherings.

• Kale: "I want to be involved in everything. Like, I have so much FOMO." [40:19]

• Casey: "Once upon a time, I was that way. I don't want to be invited. If you do, I'm gonna show up for five minutes and I'm leaving." [40:58]

This discussion resonates with many listeners who grapple with similar feelings of exclusion and the desire for connection versus personal boundaries.

7. Audience Interaction: Listener Stories and Reflections on Karma vs. Chaos

Listeners contribute stories that prompt deep reflections on the balance between karma and chaos in personal experiences. One poignant story involves a wedding reception where an ex-wife created a TikTok, leading to a debate on whether to address the situation or let karma take its course.

• Listener Story: Deciding not to confront the ex-wife's actions to maintain a cordial co-parenting relationship, questioning if it was worth risking "a little chaos."

• Kale: "Leave it to karma. Don't say anything. Not worth it." [60:32]

• Casey: "I don't think it's worth saying anything." [62:24]

This segment encourages listeners to weigh the benefits of confronting issues versus allowing events to unfold naturally, fostering a discussion on personal growth and resilience.

8. Closing Remarks and Community Building

As the episode winds down, Kale and Casey promote their social media presence and merchandise, emphasizing the importance of community engagement and support.

• Kale: "Go follow the Instagram account if you're not already." [21:25]

• Casey: "Don't forget to follow us. Don't forget to subscribe to for the haters on everywhere." [62:35]

Their closing remarks reinforce the show's commitment to building a supportive and inclusive community, inviting listeners to stay connected and engaged.

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Notable Quotes:

• Kale on Stamp Collection: "I have a really, really big stamp collection... I was in stamp club... started collecting stamps in third grade." [05:29]

• Kale on Menstrual Mood Swings: "It's just crazy what being a female can do to a person... I literally felt like I hated my life." [01:19]

• Kale on Community and Struggles: "For the Haters is my personal podcast... in hopes that by them sharing their story, it'll help other people feel less alone." [17:06]

• Kale on Social Exclusion: "I want to be involved in everything. Like, I have so much FOMO." [40:19]

• Casey on Handling Unwanted Invitations: "Once upon a time, I was that way. I don't want to be invited. If you do, I'm gonna show up for five minutes and I'm leaving." [40:58]

This episode of Karma & Chaos masterfully intertwines personal stories, relatable challenges, and communal support, all while maintaining an engaging and authentic dialogue. Whether discussing niche hobbies like stamp collecting or navigating the intricate dynamics of modern parenting and relationships, Kale and Casey offer listeners a blend of humor, empathy, and insightful reflections that underscore the unpredictable dance of karma and chaos in their lives.

Transcript

[Becky]

The new McCrispy strip is here. Dip approved by Ketchup, tangy barbecue, honey mustard, honey mustard, Sprite, McFlurry, Big Mac sauce, double dipped in buffalo and ranch, More ranch and creamy chili.

[Kale]

McCrispy Strip Dip now at McDonald's.

[Casey]

Hello, good evening, good evening.

[Kale]

Good morning, good evening, good day, good night.

[Casey]

We're both in our lesbian merch.

[Kale]

We are both in our lesbian merch.

[Casey]

I love it. And I'm gonna send it to my attorney because she texted me and agreed she's also a lesbian and said it is like hanging out with the boys. So I need to send her a little PR package of lesbian shit merch.

[Kale]

I'm gonna bring my guide, the, like, more masculine style tank tops to Mexico with me to give to Ryan.

[Casey]

I didn't get that color shirt, though. Like, that shirt. That specific color never came to me.

[Kale]

Don't take it. Don't take it up with me. I didn't do the ordering.

[Casey]

Don't be rude.

[Kale]

I just want to say I woke up today on the right side of.

[Casey]

The bed for you.

[Kale]

And it is just crazy what being a female can do to a person, because, like, the week before my period, I literally felt like I hated my life. Like, what? Like, did I need to change something? Like, I felt in my bones that I was not happy because we're about.

[Casey]

To get your period. But you. It's crazy because it's like, once you start bleeding.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

But I. I worry about the people who are like, I'm bleeding and I'm raging because I'm like, I don't. That's not an experience I've ever heard of. Like, that you're raging while you're bleeding. It's always the week leading up to.

[Kale]

Yeah, I feel like I. I feel like I could kiss everyone.

[Casey]

If we hang out too much, though, we're gonna get synced up and we're almost there, because I am. I'm gonna get my period next week. So we're, like, almost there. And I. I worry for you to hate me and I hate you at the same time.

[Kale]

You know, you worry for me because you act on it. I don't act on it.

[Casey]

I don't act on it either. That's old kale vibes.

[Kale]

Well, I'm loving life today. I feel happy. I feel grateful. I feel blessed. I feel blessed. Yeah. Like, it's a good. Today's a good day. It's a good day to have a good day.

[Casey]

It's a good day for lesbian.

[Kale]

It is a good day for lesbian.

[Casey]

I just want to tell you also, for Anyone who loves McDonald's as much as I do, my friend Casey and I went to McDonald's before we recorded this episode, which is why I was late and I was today years old when I found out that McDonald's has five dollar bags. So it's a McDouble a drink and four piece nugget and fries. That is everything that I could ever dream of in one five dollar bag.

[Kale]

My God. I'm so sorry. Wait, I just got a detection on my phone that there's a bird. There's a hummingbird right now. Oh my God.

[Casey]

How.

[Kale]

That's the first time it happened.

[Casey]

Let me see the camera showing us. Shut the up.

[Kale]

It's raining so the camera's a little fuzzy. Oh my God.

[Casey]

Didn't happen.

[Kale]

I'm. I'm trying to find out how to work this out. I just set it up yesterday.

[Casey]

There's a hobby bird I can't see and you're pissing me off. It.

[Kale]

You're going to be pissed off about the quality of film too. Hold on.

[Casey]

Wait for it.

[Kale]

You see it?

[Casey]

Look at the little. Honey, I need to order.

[Kale]

I need to go. I need to go. I need to go wipe off the camera.

[Casey]

What kind of pole would I put one of these things on?

[Kale]

Hold on.

[Casey]

I gotta wipe off the camera.

[Alessandra]

I have. You're asking me? I have not. You were asking Becky, not me, right?

[Casey]

I was asking collectively, not me.

[Alessandra]

I have no clue. Look at my nails. I want to do things with poles.

[Casey]

Leave that in. Look at my nails. Anytime someone asks me to do something from now on, look at my nails.

[Alessandra]

That's like when the guy told me to break the alarm at the Airbnb and I said I have. You don't understand, sir. I have bedazzled cherry nails. He was like, what?

[Kale]

Guys, I. I hope he comes back.

[Casey]

What's on your shirt? Are you okay?

[Kale]

It's raining.

[Casey]

It's not raining here.

[Kale]

It is like torrential, like.

[Casey]

Wait, did you send me the link for this?

[Alessandra]

Yeah, the little sked daddle away was my favorite part.

[Kale]

I cannot believe that the first. The first hummingbird came. Okay, I need help with. You're not going to be able to help me, but you might be able to find someone that can help me.

[Casey]

Okay. I think you have a lot of faith in me, but let's hear it.

[Kale]

I want to get my stamp collection appraised.

[Casey]

Are we 65 years old? What?

[Kale]

I have a really, really big stamp collection.

[Casey]

When. Why in my entire life is this the first time I'm hearing of a stamp collection.

[Alessandra]

Because you knew you would respond like this.

[Casey]

You knew I would respond like this.

[Kale]

Yeah, I was in stamp club.

[Casey]

In stamp club?

[Kale]

Yeah, in, like, third grade. That's when I started collecting stamps.

[Casey]

No. Rebecca Hayter, this is the first time that I've ever heard you talk about a stamp collection. Third grade.

[Kale]

It's pretty good.

[Casey]

Let me see it.

[Kale]

Okay, I'm. I can't bring them all, but hold on.

[Alessandra]

We need to go to Antique Road Show. We're already in house, so we might as well go to the Antiques Road Show.

[Casey]

I'm sick right now. I've never heard of the stamp collection, and I've known Rebecca for 12 years.

[Alessandra]

I'm so excited you.

[Casey]

Do you collect stamps, too?

[Alessandra]

No, I don't collect anything except for trauma.

[Casey]

Tr.

[Alessandra]

Time for that trauma.

[Kale]

I'm, like, running. I'm running around my house. Here's only one box.

[Casey]

Okay, so what is the criteria for stamps? Like, you just collect them wherever you go?

[Kale]

No. So this is. This is what I used to get them in. I used to get them sent to me in, like, packages like this. So, like, there's, like, a lot of packages of stamps here. Look at this book.

[Casey]

No, no, I'm. You're not. I. I'm confused.

[Kale]

This is my stamp collection.

[Casey]

No, no, no. But what is. Like, I'm thinking you're going to Nebraska and getting stamps, and then you're going to Mexico and getting stamps, and then. What is. What. What is the criteria for the stamps collection?

[Kale]

Well, you just collect them.

[Casey]

No, you just collect them. How. How are you collecting them? You're buying them?

[Kale]

Yeah. You buy stamps in bulk. So, like, I probably have, like, 20 of these things filled with stamps. Some of these are old. Some of these from. Are from, like, the 1800s.

[Casey]

Where did you get those?

[Kale]

I started stamp. You buy them, you trade them.

[Casey]

You trade them?

[Kale]

Well, I don't trade them anymore, but when I was in stamp club, I did. These are from Romania. These are Singapore.

[Casey]

So this is.

[Kale]

What does that say?

[Casey]

Mozambique. Mozambique. So what. What made you get involved with stamping?

[Kale]

I told you I was in.

[Casey]

Oh, you didn't tell me anything. You literally just dropped a bomb on me. I've never heard of this. Does Leah know about this?

[Kale]

Yeah, she knows about my stamp collection.

[Casey]

Does she?

[Kale]

It's travel.

[Casey]

Collect them.

[Kale]

I haven't actively collective stamps in a really long time, but I have so many stamps for that. I think that they have something has to be worth money, you know? So I need Help finding someone to appraise my stamp collection. What if it's worth a million dollars?

[Casey]

It might be. What would you do? Would you sell it if it was? Yeah, but then what if it's worth more later on?

[Kale]

Who? I'll put it right into a high yield savings account.

[Casey]

Investments.

[Alessandra]

Have you seen Antiques Roadshow? That's where we gotta go.

[Casey]

Do you know what else might be worth something if you collect it?

[Kale]

Your ovaries.

[Casey]

Yeah, but I was gonna say Pokemon cards.

[Kale]

Pokemon cards are really expensive.

[Casey]

No, they're not.

[Kale]

Yeah, there's, like, ones that are worth, like, half a million dollars.

[Casey]

No way. No way. Show me. Show me a Charizard worth half a million dollars.

[Alessandra]

That's very specific, though.

[Casey]

Show me a Pokemon card that is worth half a million dollars. I don't believe you.

[Alessandra]

Favorite Pokemon?

[Casey]

I never had Pokemon. I always had, like, the rejects that my friends would give me. I never had my own Pokemon cards.

[Kale]

There's literally ones on ebay for a million dollars.

[Casey]

No way.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Alessandra]

Paying a million dollars for a Pokemon.

[Casey]

Card, though, is like, what are you eating? You know what? You know what's funny about this? You're eating, and no one's going to complain about it. But when I eat, people will complain about it.

[Kale]

I'm looking at my mic to make sure it's not catching my chewing.

[Casey]

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[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

Before you use it?

[Kale]

Yes.

[Casey]

You knew that already.

[Alessandra]

Army backy. She knows.

[Kale]

Yes.

[Casey]

Okay, hold on. I'm gonna. I'm about to send you the. Because, listen, we're about to be grilling. It's about to be grilling season in our lesbian.

[Kale]

I don't really see that much grilling in my future in the next couple months, but. Oh, it's a Blackstone.

[Casey]

Yeah.

[Kale]

It. It's not a grill.

[Casey]

What?

[Kale]

It's not a grill. It's a Blackstone.

[Casey]

What's the difference? Can't you do the same?

[Kale]

It's a griddle.

[Casey]

What the does that mean?

[Kale]

It's like. I don't know. It's like a. Well, I guess it can be like a flat top grill, too, but.

[Casey]

So I ordered the wrong thing.

[Kale]

No, this. It's not like, like, it is a. It's a Blackstone. When you think of a grill, you think of like, g. Like, whatever. I'm not. It's.

[Casey]

So. Do I need gas?

[Kale]

Yes, you need gas. Did you not get gas?

[Casey]

No.

[Kale]

How do you expect to use it?

[Casey]

Plug it in.

[Kale]

It's not electric.

[Casey]

Okay. Do you want to come over for Memorial Day weekend?

[Kale]

What? For what?

[Casey]

To grill.

[Kale]

Are you having a party to griddle? No, I don't want to come over, but thank you for the invite.

[Casey]

You just said I don't want to come over. Not. I can't. I Have plans. I don't want to.

[Kale]

Okay, well, I don't want to because I have plans. So say that I don't want to because I have plans.

[Casey]

I can't.

[Kale]

I can't because I5 for the hater recordings that weekend.

[Alessandra]

You know, she's sensitive. You have to say no. I wish that I could be.

[Kale]

Oh, I'm so sorry, sweetie. I can't be there that weekend. I really wish I could, though. Do you want me to change my plans?

[Casey]

No, you don't have to change shit. I was just inviting you because we're just gonna use the griddle because, you.

[Kale]

Know, I'm going to. See, you had a party and didn't invite me.

[Casey]

A party?

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

I'm not having a party.

[Kale]

Mm. Anyhow, let me. Let me bring up my list so that we can get back on track on this podcast episode, because this feels like a normal FaceTime conversation with the. Between the two of us. And what two of us are we getting back on?

[Alessandra]

You had to be on a track to get back on it.

[Casey]

Yeah, I concur.

[Kale]

Wait, can we just wrap up, though? You're. Can you help me find someone that can or anyone on. On this call? Can you guys please help me find someone that can appraise my stamp collection?

[Casey]

Should we make a lesbian stamp?

[Kale]

I don't think that you can just make your own stamp. I don't know, though.

[Casey]

Why not?

[Kale]

Because it has to be sanctioned.

[Casey]

Make a sticker in the shape of a stamp.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

Online chaos. Add it to the list.

[Kale]

Add it to the list. We do, however. Okay, guys, listen to this. So we're working on regular karma and chaos merch. We're going back and forth with the designers.

[Casey]

Hold on, I'm listening.

[Kale]

No, you're not.

[Casey]

There's a place right here. There's a place right here that you can get your stamp collection appraised. That's what Casey just told me. Okay, well, so I guess you have to come for Memorial Day. Anyway.

[Kale]

Anyway, we are working on regular karma and chaos merch. We're going back and forth. We're trying to find our vibe, where we. We're really enjoying it. So we went back and forth on this one design. Alessandra, I don't even think I sent it to you or it was sent to you, but it has mine and Kale's face on it.

[Casey]

Can we show the progression?

[Alessandra]

Send it to me immediately.

[Casey]

Send it. And screen share.

[Alessandra]

Screen.

[Kale]

I texted Kale and I said, kale, what the fuck? Who is this?

[Casey]

Wait.

[Kale]

Oh, no.

[Casey]

Screen share. Email it and screen share right now.

[Alessandra]

Who the is that? I don't.

[Kale]

I don't know.

[Alessandra]

That's just plain rude. Honestly, I would super defamation.

[Kale]

I do like this. I do like this design. I just need it to be better picture. But some good merch is coming down.

[Casey]

And you can come. Wait, sorry, we're lost my train of thought.

[Kale]

Merch prime example, people.

[Casey]

Yeah, distracted. Got it. Can you repeat what you said?

[Kale]

The whole thing?

[Casey]

No, just. We're just.

[Kale]

We're just talking about the merch.

[Casey]

Oh, then I said that I was right.

[Kale]

No, you were about to say you can cut. You were talking about the Memorial Day party or whatever.

[Casey]

No, I was gonna say you could come down here and do the stamps and we could do merch. We could talk about merch.

[Kale]

I don't need to be in person with you to talk about March.

[Casey]

I don't want to be in person with you anymore.

[Kale]

Then can't come there. I have plans that weekend.

[Casey]

To do what?

[Kale]

I literally.

[Casey]

Recording. You're recording. You're recording. You're recording.

[Kale]

Have three interviews on Sunday and two on Monday.

[Casey]

I have holiday.

[Kale]

I didn't realize it was a holiday, but I don't really care.

[Casey]

Can you talk about for the Haters really quick so people listening to this podcast can go subscribe? Like, can you talk about what types of episodes you have coming?

[Kale]

Yeah, I would love to. So I know we talked talked about it before, but for the Haters is my personal podcast. It's an interview based podcast that I interview people. I interview them about their lives. Most of the time that there's like a theme to it, like the struggle that they went through or struggle that they're currently going through. The podcast is in hopes that like by them sharing their story, it'll help other people feel less alone in their stories. Right. So first episode was my friend who had emergency C section and then her NICU journey.

[Casey]

Second episode in another country.

[Kale]

That was in another country. Second episode was Kayla who went through IVF and experienced really bad postpartum. Third episode which will come out, which came out last week once this episode is airs is Ashley. She was raised by addicts and just like the toxic nature of that and like how that shaped her career and just being in an abusive relationship and not going down the path of addiction, which is always so surprising to me.

[Casey]

Parallels to me.

[Kale]

No, not her. Maybe just like the strength it takes for someone to like be able to not to just be raised in addiction, like where people nodding out is normal. People like being dying of addiction. Is normal. And not ever touching a drug is just like holy. Like that takes so much strength. And then this week when this comes out, yesterday will have been Steph, who is talking about anorexia nervosa, which is a really great episode. Really eye opening for me. So like a lot of people think about anorexia in like bulimic or when starving yourself. Starving or throwing up. And. And so she talks about it in the way of like exercising, like over exercising and like limiting her food because of exit. Like just being super hyper focused on that, which is actually an eating disorder. So.

[Casey]

Well, there's really great episodes also other forms of disordered eating. I had Jackie Gold Snyder on Barely Famous, which is sort of similar to what you're describing. And she talks about disordered eating. But disordered eating is not just anorexia and bulimia. There's so many other types of disordered eating. And also a lot of times for disordered eating. Over exercising is all. Is frequently a part of that. Yeah, but I'm excited to listen to that. To that episode.

[Kale]

Yeah, it's. It's written like she's really good at. She's a Navy veteran too. So like she's really good at speaking about her story. And then there's a. But like I'm just looking at my list, like grieving someone alive. That episode was really hard for me to record. That was great. That's coming this season. Someone whose husband was just diagnosed with stage four cancer is coming this season. So a lot of really just beautiful people and beautiful episodes. So come follow along.

[Casey]

Love that for the haters. Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcast. And it's also on YouTube and you can follow for the haters on socials too.

[Kale]

A little mid episode plug.

[Casey]

Yeah. Because people, I think people forget that it's a whole and it's its own. It's an. It's its own entire entity.

[Kale]

Yeah, like you're not getting this side of my personality. You're getting my, like, I like do the interviewing. I do talk about myself a little bit, but not, not too much. But it's just really beautiful. And the more people that listen, the more people we can help.

[Casey]

So love that.

[Kale]

Go subscribe. Anyhow, I posted yesterday on our karma and chaos Instagram account that is active because of me. You told us we weren't allowed to start an Instagram account because it's a.

[Alessandra]

Lot of work spicy during her period. I beg to differ.

[Kale]

Anyways, go follow the Instagram account if you're not already that's what she was trying to say.

[Casey]

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[Kale]

Someone asked, I put like what topics that we wanted people wanted us to discuss. Someone said yay or nay on separate bedrooms for sleeping. Being married to someone, I mean, I love it.

[Casey]

I think it's great. I also want a his and hers bathroom or hers and hers bathroom. That's more important. But sleeping separately, I kind of love that idea.

[Kale]

Couldn't be me.

[Alessandra]

Hell yeah, brother.

[Casey]

Yeah.

[Alessandra]

You sleep separately a lot of the time. We sleep separately. First of all, there's several reasons. One, you don't sleep next to a man. Okay, Rebecca hater. Completely different experiences. Okay? This man snores so loudly, I am surprised the neighbors haven't complained. And if I have a 5am Wake up call, let's say I can't listen to Bob the Builder song away next to me. So he's got to sleep in the guest room. If he eats a pizza and doesn't take his lactate, I will not be gassed out in my sleep to noxious fumes. So he will be sleeping in the guest room. I'm all four separate bedrooms if you want. We don't always sleep separate, but like pro. Whatever the fuck works for you. Living with someone is hard sometimes and we live in an apartment. I think it's different if you have a little more space, you know, like you have like levels. You have a little more space in your house. You're not always on top of each other, but we're always on top of each other. And not.

[Casey]

But going off of this topic too, I know that you and Leah are in different schedules, right? So you're not able to go to bed at the same time nine times out of 10. But say there's a week where you guys are on the exact same schedule. Are y' all going to bed at the same time or is someone going to bed without the other?

[Kale]

I think we typically go to bed at the same time.

[Casey]

We go to bed at exactly the same time. And it would be weird, I feel like, if he would be in the other room and I went to bed, like, I don't think I would like that at all.

[Kale]

Yeah, that's like. I like. I couldn't imagine sleeping in it. If I wake up and Leah's not in bed, I'm like, where is she?

[Casey]

That's fucking dramatic.

[Kale]

Well, I don't do that, but it feels like it.

[Casey]

I just, I don't know. I like, I like going to bed at the same time as my partner. But also if they're in bed next to me, like watching tv, playing the game. I don't like that either. Go to sleep. Close your eyes. When I close my eyes.

[Kale]

That's a little aggressive.

[Casey]

No, because I don't need to be snoring and farting and you're wide awake hearing it you know, like, I need to be able to fall asleep at the same time so that, like, we're not acknowledging the farting.

[Kale]

Lee and I go into bed at the same time. We do not fall asleep at the same time.

[Casey]

What's that? Like, it's great.

[Kale]

I just, like. Like to have a little toe tuck. If I could engulf myself into her under her skin and use it as.

[Casey]

A blanket, I would, like, sleep under her rib cage.

[Kale]

Yeah. She's not a cuddler, though.

[Alessandra]

So you and Billy are exactly the same. And I could not be more opposite. Like, do not cut me.

[Kale]

Like, if we have to. If we would, like, go somewhere or travel somewhere. And it was like, oh, no, twin bed. I'm like, yes.

[Alessandra]

Billy tries to get me to sleep in the full size bed all of the time. And I'm like, are you okay?

[Casey]

No, I'm not.

[Alessandra]

I'm not doing that.

[Casey]

I'm not doing that. I'll sleep in the bathtub. I would sleep better in the bathtub than in a twin bed cuddled up with someone all night long.

[Kale]

That's how Leah is too. But me, I love. I love my skin touching her.

[Casey]

Lincoln's actually been sleeping in my bed for the last couple nights because he said to me, mom, pretty soon I won't. I won't be able to sleep in your bed anymore. And he meant because he's moving for the summer.

[Kale]

Yeah, that's really sad.

[Casey]

I'm like, you can come sleep in my bed. You know, it's quiet. And last night, he made a special. Last night, me and Lincoln watched Young Sheldon in my bed, and we were eating so many snacks, and I literally went to bed and I was like, I am going to wake up 10 pounds heavier. We were eating nerd clusters. We were eating Ferrero Rocher. We're eating cheese and salami and all these things. And he goes, mom, you need to order some Chips Ahoy. So I'm about to place that order right now. While I'm. While I'm speaking of it.

[Kale]

He's gonna remember these moments forever, though.

[Casey]

Do you think, though?

[Kale]

Yeah, a thousand percent.

[Casey]

Like, just hanging out in mom's bed. Like, do you really think it's gonna hold that much weight?

[Alessandra]

Yeah, Yeah, I remember that so much. My mom would hang out and I would hang out in her bed all the time. Like, we would pluck each other's eyebrows. We would just, like, talk, talk. We would cuddle. We would like. We still do that kind of stuff. Like, I remember that those are, like, the bulk of My good memories of my teen years with my mom.

[Casey]

Really?

[Alessandra]

Yeah.

[Casey]

I always worry about, like, the. The trauma that they'll remember and not enough of the good stuff, because I have. We all know that I've traumatized my kids a little bit. So I just worry that, though, that will outweigh the good things that I've done, because, you know, you really can't control what they remember.

[Alessandra]

Well, everybody traumatizes their kids. We've talked about it before. Well, it's a mixture of both, you know?

[Casey]

Yeah, that's true. I'm gonna get him all the cookies he wants because I don't know what he wants.

[Kale]

Someone asked. I want to hear about your new skincare and thoughts on Botox and what Kale's been doing, too. Huh?

[Casey]

I get 47 units of Botox so I can lift my eyebrows, but I don't get wrinkles. I get what Becky got right here. I get four units over here and three units so that when I'm at.

[Kale]

Pointing at her elevens in the middle of her eyebrow and then her chin.

[Casey]

I get a lip flip so my lip doesn't curl under when I smile. And for those of you who think that I have lip filler, I do not have lip filler. The lip flip is Dysport, AKA Botox. It's like another brand. When my lip doesn't curl under it, still, I keep the fullness so I don't have to get my lips filled. But lip filler and Botox and dysport are not the same thing. Filler is to fill and plump. Botox and dysport is for wrinkles. And I'm so tired of people telling me to stop getting filler because last episode, too. No, it wasn't last episode.

[Kale]

It was like the one that we just recorded. This is gonna become a. What?

[Casey]

We didn't talk about it. This is gonna become a facelift.

[Kale]

A Botox party.

[Casey]

Oh, yeah.

[Kale]

I'm just gonna host a Botox party.

[Casey]

Maybe if Allure will do it in Philly, in King of Prussia. But I'm not doing it at someone's house because I don't know what kind of they use.

[Alessandra]

So can they come to our house? It's not like us doing it to ourselves.

[Casey]

Yeah, imagine, you know, that Leah's.

[Kale]

Leah's certified to do Botox.

[Casey]

A lot of dentists.

[Kale]

Yeah, she just. It brought her too much anxiety, so she had to stop doing it.

[Casey]

Why did it give her anxiety?

[Kale]

Because she would be worried about, like, you know, if. If, like, she did it wrong. Or if, like, something's gonna happen when they go home and it just, like, wasn't worth it for.

[Casey]

Yeah, I feel like that something like that is like a specialty. Like, you really. If, like, if you want to do that, make it your whole craft.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

You know what I mean?

[Kale]

Yep. I agree. I do know what you mean. For myself, I did start a new skincare routine. I don't know exactly what it is. I was just given bottles that are numbered. So I do one through four in that order. One, two, three, four. And I love the Botox. It actually makes me feel a lot better about myself.

[Casey]

So you do Botox or Dysport?

[Kale]

I think it's Botox, but I don't know. I didn't ask.

[Casey]

Yeah, they're different.

[Kale]

I got my 11s.

[Casey]

Do you feel good about your results so far?

[Kale]

Yeah, I love it.

[Casey]

I also love it.

[Kale]

Leah's really jealous, though, because she can't get do anything. Kale.

[Casey]

Yeah.

[Kale]

How's the farm stuff? How's the new build?

[Casey]

The build is on hold. I'm not doing any building right now.

[Kale]

How's the killer sports build?

[Casey]

Oh, we have still not broken ground. We're in May and we still haven't broken ground yet. We're supposed to break ground in April. So you know that I was prepared for this delay. I knew, based on. Based off of building my own house, that everything is delayed. You can have like, what you think is or what it like an ambitious start time is still hoping to be done by the end of the year, early next year. So that's like, fine. House build is on hold. That's not happening. And farm shit is still farm shit. You know what I mean?

[Kale]

I do. I saw it this morning. You should start doing mini vlogs because I'd watch them.

[Casey]

So Fridays Rio doesn't go to school. And I didn't have anything to do this morning, so I was able to, like, put all the babies in the wagon and go down there. But I don't do that every single morning because usually I'm doing school drop off in the summertime. I'll be able to film a lot more content like that.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Because I enjoyed watching, like, I was like, oh, like, I wish I had a little bit more. I wanted to see the kids. Selfishly, I just wanted to see the kids a little bit more. But.

[Casey]

Oh, okay. Well, you could come on Memorial Day and then you could see them not.

[Kale]

Coming on Memorial Day.

[Casey]

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[Kale]

Summer plans. What do we got going on this summer?

[Casey]

Summer plans. We're gonna take the camper out. Virginia, South Carolina, the lake house. What are you doing this summer? You're having a baby?

[Kale]

Yeah, I'm not doing this summer except hanging out here with little Bet.

[Casey]

Yeah, I love that for you.

[Kale]

I also it was because you were like, oh, what weekend can I come? And I like Looked in my calendar and I was like, I literally have nothing booked. Like, I'm not doing anything.

[Casey]

Is that nice, though? Is that, like, a nice change of pace?

[Kale]

Yeah, for sure. And I just. I think life's been a little hectic in general, so, like, it'll be nice to not even just spend time with the baby, but with Leah, like, it'll be nice to get some time with her. Yeah.

[Casey]

What are you reading right now?

[Kale]

Huh?

[Casey]

What are you reading right now?

[Kale]

I am a little bit of a reading slump, but I am in the middle of King of Ash. It's the Throne of Glass series. I'm on book four. It's good. I just. I've been consuming a lot in a lot of different places for the haters. Has, like, taken up a lot of my time. Because, like, it's like, everything. Like, it's every single thing. Any waking moment that I'm not, like, working my day job. I'm working on things for that or working on things for anything or doing whatever I can. So hopefully this trip. I don't know. I'm not gonna read on this trip.

[Casey]

Why not?

[Kale]

Kayl, I am going to be drunk for four days.

[Casey]

I took a shot for the first time in years with you the other day.

[Kale]

You did?

[Casey]

I don't know how y' all do it.

[Alessandra]

I don't really do it that much.

[Casey]

Eyes. I'm tired.

[Alessandra]

Yeah, that was Monday.

[Casey]

I'm a tired girly.

[Kale]

Do you know, have you been following along the Diddy trial at all?

[Casey]

Yes and no. I know that Casey Cassie is. Is it Casey or Cassie?

[Kale]

Cassie.

[Casey]

Cassie is the smartest woman for settling for, like, 20 or $30 million and turning around and testifying anyway. Good for her. Yeah, I did see that. She. Not she. I did read somewhere that one of the witnesses went missing. I've heard names come up in the Diddy trial, and I'm just still floored and can't wrap my head around the fact that, like, this went on as long as it did and nobody whistleblow.

[Kale]

I. I think about that often, too. Like, how. How is it possible for something to stay so hidden? It. Which involves, like, so many kinds of people coming in and out. Right?

[Casey]

Like, okay, so the people that are involved have money and power. We know that.

[Kale]

Yeah, but they're hiring people that don't.

[Casey]

Have money or power, but because they're in a desperate situation probably where they. They get some level of status or they're sworn to secrecy and. And that feels good to be part of that. But, like, morally speaking, none of them got together. And, like, obviously, we can't victim shame because we don't know what that's like. But, like, could you imag in a position where you need this money? Like, you're working for people who don't deserve it. But, like, you. What is the alternative? Like, you literally have no other option.

[Kale]

And I'm not. I'm not, like, saying I don't know how people are doing that. Like, I understand how people, like, why people are in that situation. I just can't believe that, like, things don't get leaked, like, like, at the.

[Casey]

Diddy parties and stuff. Like, yeah, I am still in some sense of denial. Like, did this really go on? Like, it just seems so hard to believe because it's like, oh, it.

[Kale]

I don't think.

[Casey]

Definitely. No, I. I'm not. I'm not saying that it didn't, but it's like, I'm in a state of disbelief. Like, I cannot believe this was occurring.

[Kale]

Yeah. What's hard for me is, like, to see that video of him, like, dragging her through the hallway and, like, kicking her and hitting her and, like, want to know anything else? Because it's just like, he belongs in jail just for that singular thing.

[Casey]

Singular thing.

[Kale]

And, like, that. That was enough for me to see, to not trust anything. And it just goes to show, right, Because I. I've been listening to the recaps from the trial and, like, what she's explaining and her. What is it? Not prosecution, whatever. Her, whatever. And it's just wild what relationships do to you. Like, toxic relationships and, like, how, like, you just want to fulfill someone's, like, dream because you have this, like, toxic love for them and you'll do anything to keep them, like, happy.

[Alessandra]

I.

[Casey]

Listen, I don't. It makes me sick to think about all of that. I haven't watched. Is it televised?

[Kale]

No, it's just there's a lot of people I like. There's this one lady on Tik Tok that recaps it every day, and I listen to those, like, it's like, five part series of recaps of it.

[Casey]

Yeah, not for me.

[Kale]

Wait, why did someone ask this question?

[Casey]

What question?

[Kale]

It says, who's a better kisser? Kale or Javi?

[Casey]

Wait, did you kiss Javi? No. Wait, why do they think you kissed Javi?

[Kale]

I guess so.

[Casey]

Did you? If so, when did that occur?

[Kale]

I did not kiss Javi.

[Casey]

Did you kiss any of my exes? No, not you. Thinking about it.

[Kale]

Who are all our exes?

[Casey]

Did you ever make out with Daddy? Dom.

[Kale]

No.

[Casey]

Pissed. Instant. Instant piss.

[Kale]

Someone said, can you guys talk about not getting invited to somewhere all your friends are going to?

[Alessandra]

Like, what, the Memorial Day party?

[Kale]

Exactly. Great. I was lit. That's literally what popped up in my head.

[Casey]

It's not a party, okay?

[Kale]

I can resonate with this so much. I am. This is my worst quality. I am a jealous friend. Like, I want to be involved in everything. Like, I have so much fomo. I want to feel wanted. I want to feel that I was thought of in a situation. If I see my friends even going out to dinner, I'm like, why wasn't I invited? Yeah, it's hard. It's. That's a hard feeling to deal with.

[Casey]

But, like, the opposite. Yeah, I'm the opposite. Once upon a time, I was that way. I don't want to be invited. I don't. Please don't invite me. And if you do, I'm gonna show up for five minutes and I'm leaving. Sort of like the Webby Awards, where I didn't even show up to the award show, and I left. I don't want to be invited.

[Kale]

Note to self, do not invite Kale anywhere. I just resonate so much with that, though, and I'm. My app that I'm creating is hopefully going to help that. So stay tuned.

[Casey]

Love that. Love that for you.

[Alessandra]

Would you rather know there was something that you weren't invited to or not know?

[Kale]

I would want it so hard.

[Casey]

I don't care either way. If you tell me, I'm not going. So if you don't invite me, that's also okay.

[Kale]

I don't know if there's a right answer to that, because if I'm. If I know, I'm going to be upset, but then I'm gonna find out eventually anyway, and then if I find out and I didn't know, I don't. My heart's breaking already.

[Casey]

Heart is breaking already.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

So you. I just invited you to Memorial Day Griddle Cookout, and you said, I don't want to come. So what is it? You can't have it both ways.

[Kale]

Did I say I don't want to come?

[Casey]

Yes, you said I don't want to come. That's literally what you said.

[Kale]

I was just being a little, silly, goofy girl there.

[Casey]

That wasn't a silly, goofy girl. That was a bully. That was a mean girl. And you can't sit with us, so now you're uninvited.

[Kale]

Yeah, I'm sorry. That was mean, because I really did appreciate that invite.

[Casey]

I hope so you could have slept in the camper and we would have recorded an episode.

[Kale]

I really can't come. And. Yeah. Someone asked, parents keeping a big secret your whole life, then telling you about it later.

[Casey]

Say that again.

[Kale]

What are your feelings on parents keeping a big secret your whole life and then telling you about it later?

[Casey]

Like, how big are we talking? Like, when I didn't know that I didn't have a dad until I was like 12 and I had. I found out also through my mom's ex husband that I had a sister when I was 12.

[Kale]

Yeah, I would say that's a really great example.

[Casey]

Yeah, it was the dad thing. I sort of came to on my own. I realized that on my own and I started asking questions around that same time. My sister finding out that I had a sister and my mom knew about it my whole life was absolutely devastating to me because it was. It was the betrayal, but also the fact that none of the adults in our lives could get their shit together enough for me to be raised with my sister or knowing her or even spending a week with her every year, just like literally anything, our parents could not get their shit together enough to make that happen. And so to this day, I think that my sister and I feel the effects of that. And so I'm not a fan of keeping secrets like that at all.

[Kale]

Yeah, I would agree. I think it's hard, though, because in a situation like, I feel like there was probably a little bit of just like, malicious intent behind your situation just because your parents weren't. Were shitty people. They weren't like, good people making those decisions. I think there can be good people that are. Are trying to make a hard decision. Yes, I know, I know. People that were like, conceived through a donor and weren't told until they were older because, like, their parents were infertile. And so, like, they. And like, that was a really tough situation because I personally think that you should always be honest about it because they're gonna find out. Something is going to be found out eventually. I also have a really close personal situation where people I know weren't told who their real biological dad was until later and they found out and it was a shit show. Like, it. It was so bad.

[Casey]

And I still think that there are. There's a gray area because for sure. And when you. When what you're describing to me is, like, good people, good parents making hard decisions. And something that my therapist has always said was, like, in those moments of making, like, being in a position to have to. To make those types of decisions or having internal conflict. She has always told me to write a letter, dated, write everything down, like, what your thoughts are, your feelings on it, why how you came to this conclusion. Because at some point, like, you'll able to give those letters to said child about the situation and explain to them, like, this was not to be malicious. This was just the nature of the situation and the circumstances that we were in. And so I feel like, to your point, like, there are good people who have to make those types of hard decisions. But I can't speak on, like, the biological parent thing, because my mom sort of was a mess. And so every husband she was with or every man she was with, I was like, can you be my dad? Sort of deal. And she never really was like, oh, and by the way, this is your dad, and this is what I know about him, and this is this. And she was, like, never transparent. But it wasn't a donor or an adoption. Adoption situation where she didn't know how to tell me or she didn't know when to tell me. Like, do you have an idea? And obviously it can change as you become a mom and you know baby Bex is here, and you'll know your own child in your own situation. But do you have any idea, like, how open you'll be about the donor?

[Kale]

Oh, yeah. Like, we're. We're going to be as open as we feel comfortable with. Initially, through his younger years. If Bex grows up and decides that he wants to have a very close and personal relationship with Matt, like, that's something we're comfortable with. But that's why we were so intentional with picking our donor. Right? Like, we wanted to know him as a person. We wanted to know his family around him. We wanted to know what kind of life he lived. Because if our son is going to have this person in his life, we wanted to make sure it was someone we trusted and that we loved ourselves. So, like, it's different. I mean, that's. That's obviously, like, a very different situation. Can I just tell you? I was sitting here, though. I have, like, such a hard time. I don't know why, but, like, it's so hard for me to picture you how you grew up because of, like, how you hold yourself now. Like, I. I forget that, like, you grew up in, like, such a shitty situation sometimes because of how, like, successful. Successful you've made yourself, how great of a mom you are to your kids. And so, like, I was, like, sitting here, I'm like, wow, like, that's, like, really fucked up. Like. Like, I can't believe she grew up.

[Casey]

Like, I just like saying, I'm a good mom. And yesterday I screamed at my kids. I was like, I told you the first time. And I, like, I'm like, am I even a good mom or a good person?

[Kale]

Yeah. You yelled at Lux one time when I was there, and, like, five minutes later, you came over and hugged him and apologized, like, for taking your frustrations on him. And I was like, wow, this is beautiful, kid.

[Casey]

I think there are. There is a. A generation, I'll say, of people who never thought twice about apologizing to their kids.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

But I feel like I'm not perfect, and there are times where I am overstimulated, but I don't think that. And I know at the time you helped him with his homework you're talking about.

[Kale]

Yeah, with his homework.

[Casey]

And I don't have to yell at Lux very often. And so yesterday we were. It was a similar situation. And then. But what's. What's interesting about last night was he got back in the car and he said, mom, I'm sorry for acting up. I shouldn't have made you say something more than once. And so I was like, huh? Like, I wonder if me apologizing to him has helped him learn to apologize to me.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

And when I say yeah, like, I'm not, like, cussing the kids out listening to this. Like, I'm not, like, cussing them out, but just, like, yelling. I don't. I don't like to yell at my kids. I don't love it. I know they don't like it, and I don't want it to get to that point. So I don't know. Lux has been very receptive to my apologies, like, anytime I get like that. I mean, all of them, but they really don't. I really don't have to yell very often.

[Kale]

No. I think that's the first time I've ever seen you yell at one of the kids. And, like, rightfully so. Not because of, like, just, like, the situation. Yeah. Yeah, it was.

[Casey]

I think that's the one thing when I say over stimulated. I'm never actually over stimulated by the situation that my kids, like, with all my kids, like, when we're going and stuff. It's when I have to tell you, I'm telling you once, I'm telling you twice, I'm telling you three times. Now I'm yelling at you, why are you not putting your shoes on? You know what I mean?

[Kale]

Yeah. This question is relative. It asks, like, how how each kid gets a different version of you as a parent. Older kid versus. Versus your youngest kid.

[Casey]

I think it's all of them. I think it's oldest, youngest, middle, all of them. Because they all have different temperaments and personalities. They all have very different love languages. They all handle like, I know that Creed Romello is words of affirmation. He wants to hear. He's doing a good job. He wants to hear his outfit looks good. He wants to hear that he's funny. He is a words of affirmation child. So I'm gonna handle him, and he's gonna get a different version of me based on that. That he said to me yesterday. Lux keeps saying, so try to follow the bouncing ball here. Lindsay made up a rumor on Coffee Combo's podcast about me. She completely made it up. Untrue about me, right? And she, like, brought it up on the podcast to me. And I'm thinking to myself, that never happened. Like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Well, I guess Lux heard me do the same thing or heard Lindsay do it. So he did the same thing. He, like, made up this rumor at home. It's like a inside joke. And he said it, and I'm laughing, and I'm like, that did not happen. Like, you're making that up. And he said, well, Lindsay did it, and. And I laughed, right? But it's embarrassing because it's not true. And he's going around telling people that it's true, right? Like, people that are not in our family. What is it? I don't want to tell you because it's embarrassing. And so he's telling people that come around as if it's a true story. And I'm thinking they're not getting the inside joke that, like, we know that it's a. Like a lie.

[Kale]

What is it?

[Casey]

I'll tell you later. So then. So then Creed says it, and I didn't laugh because I was embarrassed, and he was so upset. He's like, well, when. When Luck said it was funny and it's not funny when I said it. And I'm like, no, because it's so embarrassing. Like, he just wants to hear he's funny. I said. I said all that to say that I. Creed wants to hear that he's funny. He wants to hear that he's handsome and he looks good and his outfit is cute. That's all. That's.

[Kale]

That's my baby.

[Casey]

I know. That's. That is your son. Lux is Lindsay's son, and Creed is your son.

[Kale]

Creed is my son. When he came up to me in the kitchen, and I've probably said this a million times, and he said, hey, Becky, why aren't you coming to cuddle on the couch with me? I was devastated that I had other things I had to do.

[Casey]

Yeah. Oh, well.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

He'll be so happy to see you.

[Kale]

What about the older kids? What kind of version of you do they get?

[Casey]

Isaac got a lot of the broken version of me. Isaac got a lot of trauma. Isaac got learning me, learning all the things about motherhood, my immaturities, my insecurities. He got literally everything. But I think, like, Creed and Lux, like, I really do apologize to him too, and, like, there's nothing that I can't talk to Isaac slash Elliot about. There's nothing that I like. He'll be open with me and tell me certain things, and I can, you know, reflect if he has questions about everything, anything. I'm always open and honest. But, I mean, he's seen me at my worst. Right? Like, he's the oldest. He's been through the most. He's seen the most, he's felt the most. Lincoln, I think, has gotten the most patient version of me. And I'd say the babies got. Have gotten so far.

[Kale]

What do you mean?

[Casey]

My career exploded around the time that Rio was born. And so I don't feel like I. Like, they haven't. I don't know how to describe it.

[Kale]

They're still babies, though, right? Like, yeah, because you can still tell, like, when you're with them, of how much they love you and care for you, so they still recognize. Recognize that relationship. They're still. They're like. They're not gonna remember those working days.

[Casey]

I hope not. I hope that there's a time where I'm hoping this summer. Really. Like, I know I have a busy schedule this summer, but I hope the weeks that I have my kids, like, I'll be able to slow down with them a little bit.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

Because.

[Kale]

Yeah, that'll be nice. Even, like, I was. I. When I popped open Instagram today, I was looking at your stories. It made me happy. I was like, oh, she gets a nice morning with.

[Casey]

With the kids, even if it's literally five minutes. And I can't stress this enough, people are always like, oh, how do you do it with this many kids? If you dedicate literally five minutes to each of them, like, undivided will make such a huge difference. So, like, when Rio came up to me this morning was like, I want to go outside. We went down to the farm. Like, they love that. It's like five, ten minutes of just undivided attention. And they are so happy.

[Kale]

Yeah. I miss them so much.

[Casey]

Well, pretty soon you'll have your own. And I'm. I'm just ready for like. Don't want to speed up the time for you. But I hope that baby Bex is walking soon so that we can get them all together because my babies will still be toddlers.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

And baby Bex is a toddler because they're only. They'll be a year, like roughly a year and a half apart. The twins and Bex.

[Kale]

That's crazy. Do you. Did you ever imagine a world that we had kids together?

[Casey]

No, I never thought. I thought all my kids would be grown because I didn't know I was gonna have three back to back. So Creed will be five and you're just having a baby. So I was like, oh, like, I wonder if they'll ever. But the twins will literally, they'll be like two years apart. Not even.

[Kale]

I can't imagine, imagine what it's going to be like when your kids meet my kids.

[Casey]

Oh my God, we're gonna have so much fun to go do like some of the same age appropriate stuff like Sesame Place, Dorney Park.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

Six Flags and even like the Please Touch Museum. The zoo. Like we'll be able to do Factory. Oh my God, I'm dying to take the kids to the Crayola factory.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Casey]

Dying. Love.

[Kale]

What an exciting time for us to be alive, huh?

[Casey]

Should I have another one? So then they're really on the same page.

[Kale]

No, I think we're good.

[Casey]

Okay.

[Kale]

Yeah, if.

[Casey]

No, I think we're good thinking about it.

[Kale]

Well, I was like, if I get pregnant, imagine if we're pregnant together. Not even encouraged. No, no.

[Casey]

Pregnancy tagged.

[Kale]

Yeah, I did. I don't know if you watched my unboxing from yesterday, but I opened like I do my unboxing. People send me things to my PO box for Becks and I open them and I post it. And yesterday I posted one. I cry every single time I do it. I really thought I was gonna make it through yesterday's without crying. And then this person sent me something and she wrote a note in it. What are you doing?

[Casey]

Just seeing what I'm gonna look like with the facelift.

[Kale]

Anyway, she wrote a note in it and I. I'm gonna it up. But it said something alluding to like, my son recently came out and like seeing your relationship and seeing you have a kid gave me hope that he'll someday have people that love him and love like the family that he will have too. And that made me. I started sobbing.

[Casey]

Well, I think part of, and correct me if I'm wrong, I. I don't know. But I think sometimes when people think of like LGBTQIA plus community, the queer community, all of the things they grieve the loss of, like the traditional family and like how like they think that their child will not experience love or they won't experience a family or they can't have a family. Like it just. I don't know why they automatically think of that. But with technology and science and everything and, and with open conversation and just like bringing awareness to all of this is like it's still possible. Like never in a million years would I think when I see someone who might be gay or whatever, like that doesn't cross my mind that they're not going to be loved or be able to have a family. It's like, oh, do they want that one? Because there are people who are straight and gay who are childless by choice, right? But maybe, you know, whether you're gay or you're a lesbian, like you can still have those things. And I don't. I want. I guess I just wonder why they automatically think that they don't.

[Kale]

They won't have that because society hates it. Gay people.

[Casey]

True. Okay, well on that note, we have an Is it karma or is it chaos? We love when you guys submit these stories to us. So. So email us. The email to send in your stories is in the description. It's also in our bio on Instagram. Hi Becky and Kale. I've been really enjoying the podcast and love this segment. I think I have a good story for it. My husband and I met a little over five years ago and got married this year. He has been married before and has a 7 year old daughter from his previous marriage. Him and I started dating after he was already divorced. So there's never been any animosity or jealous. There had. So there's never been any animosity or jealousy there between his ex wife and I. The three of us have a good co parenting relationship and her and I have always been cordial. My wedding was a little non traditional and my wedding reception was out of state. My husband's ex wife was invited. However, this was mostly because she was willing to bring my stepdaughter with her and get her back in home in time for school. As I mentioned, her and I have always been cordial so I was not against her coming. Especially if it would make things easier for my stepdaughter to be in attendance. The wedding reception went well and everyone had a nice time. I'm gonna stop right there for one second because when Javi got married, I said, here's Lincoln. Like, he literally told me when gave him Lincoln. Right. I'm pretty sure that when I got married to Javi, same thing for Isaac. Like, I'm just sending. I don't need to, like, just send them. I don't know why you have to like, invite the other parent to be able to bring like, I don't understand that. Okay. However, I saw later that his ex wife created a TikTok while she was there. That was something along the lines of come with me to my baby daddy's wedding reception in the TikTok. She did not say anything disrespectful, but she filmed me. Family, friends, intimate moments, etc. My husband and I agreed it was a tacky thing for her to do, but chalked it up to her being on to it being on brand for her and ultimately laughed it off. On the other hand, I was bothered and disappointed by it. I felt like she took advantage of my kindness and allowing her to be there because she did directly ask if she was invited and took the opportunity to make content out of our special day and made it about herself. I ultimately did not end up addressing the tick tock. Since she was willing to bring my stepdaughter and was kind enough to our friends and family at the reception, I didn't feel it was worth creating an issue that could potentially affect our co parenting relationship. I guess you could say I left it to karma, but what do you guys think? Was it worth risking a little chaos? I have no intention of addressing. I have no intention of addressing this anymore, considering months have passed and I've made peace with it. But I'm a little curious to know your thoughts.

[Kale]

Leave it to karma.

[Casey]

I don't think it's either.

[Kale]

Honestly, you know, like, she's asking, leave it. Like, do I say something to create chaos or do I just let it be and let, like, let karma decide if it was met, like, malicious intent or not?

[Casey]

I don't think it's worth saying anything, you guys. I don't either tacky. If she would have asked to make the tick tock, would y' all have said yes? That was. That's my question. But also, unless. Unless there's a rule that there's no cameras to be. Yeah, I mean, I personally, I understand the world of content creation. I understand like, being transparent and, like, telling the story. And, like, that is something that I feel like. Like, obviously, I don't expect to be invited to Lauren and Javi's reception. Right. But, like, if that was the case. Actually, no, I wouldn't do it to them because I already know that they wouldn't like that. So that would not be something that I did. But if I was.

[Kale]

You could have done it to Joe and V's wedding, and it would. I think it would have been funny.

[Casey]

Right, because you and I went to Joe and V's wedding. Yeah, like that. What? Yeah.

[Kale]

Yeah. So the. The thing that I'm thinking is, like, the content itself wasn't, like, mean or rude. Like, it was just clips from the wedding of, like, her enjoying her time there. And, like, it's just the. The beginning hook that it seems to be. What's in. Really in question, which I get. Right?

[Casey]

Like, but if they're not a.

[Kale]

If.

[Casey]

If overall on a typical day, they're not a content creation family, that. Yeah, weird, right? Like, if you. If. If I'm getting married and I'm. And I'm like, oh, let's invite all my baby daddies to my wedding, like, that's on brand for me. Yeah, for me. So, like, I get it. And so, like, I'm looking at it from a unique perspective, but, like, also, I do understand where this bride is coming from. I do get it. But the out of state thing, like, even then, I wouldn't. Like, I'm just sending the child. Like, I'm not gonna bring my child to the. Like, that would have been like, me telling Joe and V that I was gonna bring Isaac instead of just letting them take Isaac to do all the wedding stuff.

[Kale]

I guess. I don't know.

[Casey]

That part is what I'm like. Is this karma or is it chaos?

[Kale]

We'll see what happens. Report back if any karma comes about. Don't say anything. Not worth it.

[Casey]

You're. If you're being cordial, then just stay cordial. It's not. Yeah, but I actually loved this story. This was a good one.

[Kale]

Yeah, it was a good. Well.

[Casey]

Well, you guys can find us karma and chaos on Instagram, Facebook, and merch is live now. We have pride merch.

[Kale]

One more thing. One more thing, real quick. Alicia, you are a winner, and we're gonna do one more. Angela, you are a winner.

[Casey]

I have no idea what the. You just did. Winner for what? What are we sending them?

[Kale]

I'm sending them some pride merch.

[Casey]

Oh, love. That's so cute. Okay.

[Kale]

Cool.

[Casey]

So love that. Don't forget to follow us. Don't forget to subscribe to for the haters on everywhere. You get your pods, go follow her on Instagram and we'll see you next week.

[Kale]

Love you guys.

[Casey]

See ya.

[Kale]

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[Stassi]

Schroeder. And honestly, you never know who or what you might hear on my podcast, Stassi, because, well, I'm a little cray cray. One of the ways you know you have hashtag grown is when you come to the realization that Carrie Bradshaw is.

[Casey]

Kind of the worst person.

[Stassi]

I've had to explain to her that the fireplace grows so that Santa can fit in it. Now she's gonna be like, well, there is no fireplace and we're in this hotel and I'm gonna have to explain her.

[Alessandra]

I don't know.

[Stassi]

He gets a hotel room key. Like all these things that you have to come up with, it's just kind of crazy. Should I bring a whistle to wherever I go?

[Casey]

Do you think that that would be the thing to break the ice? Whistle?

[Kale]

Listen up.

[Casey]

Every single one of us here is.

[Stassi]

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