The Mob Is Real?!

Summary

Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter

Episode: The Mob Is Real?!
Date: November 18, 2025
Host: PodcastOne

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Overview

In this lively and unfiltered episode, Kail and Becky dive into the nuances of adulthood—blending heartfelt moments, hilarious pop culture revelations, friendship dynamics, and cosmic confusion. The episode swings from serious reflections on food insecurity and community to the humorous disbelief in the reality of the mob and space stations. Throughout, the duo display their signature blend of real talk, infectious laughter, and supportive friendship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Food Insecurity, Community, and Acts of Kindness

[01:11-05:09]

• Kail shares an emotional response to recent SNAP benefit cuts.
  • She recounts bringing extra snacks for her children to share at school, and stocking her community’s egg stand with shelf-stable foods to help those in need.
  • “If someone asks you for a snack, just give it to them. No questions asked.” — Kail [01:23]
• Becky validates the impact, referencing her own donations and community support, and emphasizes there’s nothing controversial about feeding people.
  • “People deserve to be… not ghost starving.” — Becky [02:40]
• Kail delivers an informative PSA: cash donations go further at food banks due to bulk purchasing contracts.
  • “If you donate cold hard cash, it goes further… more bang for your buck.” — Kail [04:25]

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2. Internet Fame, Social Media Comments, and Online Lore

[05:09-06:53]

• Becky regales Kail with a funny misunderstanding about her giving "eggs away," riffing on her online presence.
  • “Doesn’t she already have enough kids?” — Becky's recount of a social media commenter [05:13]
• The pair laugh about online encounters, AI-generated quotes, and the strange ecosystems surrounding their public images.
  • Kail expresses frustration at seeing AI videos attributing false quotes to her.
    “I have seen so many AI photos and videos of me with, like, quotes from me that I never said.” — Kail [06:19]

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3. Kail’s Shocking Discovery: The Mob Is Real?!

[07:14-13:14]

• Kail confesses: she believed the Mafia was fictional, a mere “fairy tale.”
  • “I did not know that the mob was real. I thought it was fake news... made up and scripted for TV shows.” — Kail [07:14]
• The revelation comes from binge-watching Netflix’s “Mob War,” specifically the Philadelphia mob and real-life figures like Joey Merlino.
• Becky schools Kail on the real-world inspiration behind "The Godfather" and the symbolism of tracksuits.
  • “Where do you think tracksuits came from?” — Becky [09:05]
• Becky teases Kail’s inability to grasp organized crime, likening MLMs to mob structures.
  • “What are you talking about? …It’s like they’re giving you an offer you can’t refuse, you know.” — Becky [10:16]
• Kail, in her unique style, debates the economics and tax implications of mob crime.
  • “I’m not killing somebody at all. But, like, definitely not for $10,000. After taxes, you’re only left with $8,000.” — Kail [10:39]
• The topic ends in comic disbelief, Kail’s vow to write mob-inspired romance novels, and musings about reaching out to former mobsters for interviews.

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4. Organized Crime… at the Louvre?

[17:02-17:56]

• “Speaking of organized crime, the Louvre—” Becky pivots, referencing an art heist.
• Kail draws laughs for not knowing about the Louvre, saying, “That is not… I did not.” — Kail [17:02]
• Becky and Kail joke that the French art thieves deserved “an Olympic gold medal” and should be recruited by Homeland Security.
  • “Homeland Security needs to hire them. For real.” — Becky [17:48]

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5. Rant: Delivery Woes and the Polite Art of Customer Service

[18:05-22:47]

• Becky unleashes a comedic rant about a failed heating/AC unit delivery: the company refuses to drive down her long country driveway.
  • “You’re a delivery company, and you’re not allowed to go on people’s driveways?” — Becky [19:22]
• Both hosts empathize, debating customer service standards and sharing their own infuriating and hilarious experiences.

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6. Medical Titles: Nurse vs. PA

[22:47-24:52]

• Becky clarifies the public’s persistent confusion over her wife Leah’s profession as a Physician Assistant.
  • “A PA is different than a nurse… A PA is a mid-level provider.” — Becky [22:53]
• Kail admits to previous mix-ups, and the conversation praises friends’ entrepreneurial ventures like new med spas.

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7. Entrepreneurial Updates: Killer Sports

[25:01-29:19]

• Kail shares progress on her sports center business, excited for construction and a Q1 opening.
  • “They start the build on Thursday… we are on track for Q1 opening of Killer Sports.” — Kail [25:05]
• Becky encourages multimedia documentation and brainstorming for afterschool programs, branded buses, and complex expansion.
• Both consider the value of creating opportunities for their children and the local community.
  • “If one of my kids decides not to go to college and they just want to take over the business, that's the goal.” — Kail [28:29]

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8. Friendship Ethics: Would You Dump a Friend for Cheating?

[32:00-38:43]

• The hosts tackle a TikTok trend: would you stop being friends with someone for cheating on their partner?
• Nuanced debate: It depends on circumstances and the nature of the friendships. They distinguish between “cheating on a bad partner” vs. a good one, and between romantic and platonic loyalties.
  • “If they're cheating on a really good person… why are you not breaking up with them first?” — Kail [32:37]
  • “Where it gets really sticky is if I’m friends with both of them.” — Becky [34:15]
• Both agree they wouldn’t blindly cut ties, especially with longstanding close friends, but would be disappointed if someone was complicit in cheating.
  • “I probably would put distance on our friendship… I can’t support this.” — Becky [37:01]
  • “In my 20s, I would have [lied for a friend]. Now, do not lie about… Don’t say you’re with me if you’re not, because I don’t have it in me.” — Kail [37:32–38:00]

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9. TikTok Comments, Cosmic Questions, and “How Does Earth Work?”

[38:51-50:44]

• Becky shares her habit of saving memorable TikTok comments.
  • “On my phone? ...that I pay for? The audacity!” — Becky [39:55]
• A sisterly text sparks an existential spiral: why do astronauts walk “on top of” other planets but “inside” Earth?
  • Kail stumbles through planetary atmospheres, ozone layers, and the blue sky.
  • Both get hilariously confused about space, the atmosphere, and why Earth isn’t like the Moon or Mars.
  • “But do you believe people went out of… went into outer space in a rocket? ...Where did they go? They just, like, went up and then came right back down.” — Kail [43:24]
  • Becky has to explain the International Space Station, leading to:
  • “What? There’s a space station? ...People just stuck there?” — Kail [43:46–44:07]
• Alessandra joins briefly, poking fun at the cosmic confusion.
  • “I fear for America. But not because of the space she’s talking about.” — Alessandra [48:11]

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10. Karma or Chaos Listener Segment

[50:47-54:14]

• Listener writes: Are they to blame if their parents (who long hated each other) might reconcile, and is it “karma” or just chaos?
  • Both emphatically absolve the listener of blame.
  • “Absolutely not her fault.” — Kail [52:15]
  • “You should feel no fault to whatever comes of this situation. Take that off that conscious, baby.” — Becky [53:03]
• Kail posits: “In order to hate someone, you have to love someone. I don’t think anyone is ready for that conversation.” — Kail [52:49]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “That is me on the stripper pole.” — Kail [01:11]
• “I thought the mob was a myth. That's what I wanted to tell you.” — Kail [13:14]
• “If you donate cold hard cash, it goes further.” — Kail [04:25]
• “Where do you think tracksuits came from?” — Becky [09:05]
• “You’re not approaching a company, you’re approaching the mob.” — Becky [11:45]
• “In my 20s, I would have lied for a friend.” — Kail [37:34]
• “Imagine the imaginary mob.” — Becky [18:05]
• “Earth is wearing a big invisible blanket called the atmosphere.” — AI voice read by Becky [48:51]
• “I fear for America… but not because of the space she's talking about.” — Alessandra [48:11]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:11–05:09 — Food insecurity, giving back, how to help
• 05:10–06:53 — Social media comments and AI lore
• 07:14–13:14 — Kail’s discovery of the Mafia’s reality and pop culture
• 17:02–17:56 — Museum theft & “Olympic medalists” of crime
• 18:05–22:47 — Delivery disasters and customer service
• 22:47–24:52 — Nurse vs. PA and supporting women in business
• 25:01–29:19 — Killer Sports business and community vision
• 32:00–38:43 — Cheating: Would you end a friendship?
• 38:51–44:07 — TikTok comments, moon landings, and space confusion
• 50:47–54:14 — Karma or chaos listener letter: parents’ reconciliation

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Tone & Language

The episode is candid, chaotic, and rooted in empathy—balancing heart, humor, and heated debate. Both hosts maintain their signature mix of warmth, witty banter, and supportive friendship.

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• Follow Becky Hater: [@beckyhater25] on all social media
• Listen to “For The Haters” (Becky’s podcast) every Monday

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Transcript

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[Becky Hater]

Good morning, good evening, good day, good night to all of our karmaroos. That is my. The merch you're wearing is my favorite design.

[Kale]

Is it really? I actually love this one and I like how it's sort of like. What is it called? Monochromatic. Yeah, I like it a lot.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, same.

[Kale]

That's me on the stripper pole. I have to tell you that I want to start this episode off on a semi high note. Right. It's like communities coming together for the people who lost their SNAP benefits. Okay. Okay. Over the weekend, I'm having conversations with my children. I made them bring extra snacks to school. And I said, if someone asks you for a snack, give them one. Just give it to them. No questions ask. I also, I was driving to Virginia. I had to pick up Lincoln yesterday. And on the way home, I just was like crying on and off. And I know that feels really dramatic, but I feel like. So I called Kristen and Kristen was like, well, Kale, you were. Grew up with food insecurity. Like, obviously this is triggering. And I remember the time I was like 8 years old or 9 years old and I walked down to my uncle's house and asked him for food. And so I. Lincoln and I went to the grocery store yesterday and we put a bunch of like shelf stable items in our egg stand. Delaware is. They offer. They issued a state of emergency. So they're able to, I believe, still get their SNAP funding. But just in case, I was like, I don't want anyone to go home. I don't want anyone to go hungry. So we. We filled the thing with like pasta and sauce and soups and things of that nature.

[Becky Hater]

I'm so.

[Kale]

That's.

[Becky Hater]

I'm so glad you brought this up.

[Kale]

Are you? Because I know it's a little bit controversial. Unfortunately.

[Becky Hater]

Literally not controversial. Controversial at all. That people deserve to be. Not ghost starving. I Two things. One, not weird at all that you were on and off crying about this. Stay up. Like, when you get into this, like, depths of like, and you lived it. So you understand it quite literally more than like, most other people do. Right? Like, you understand it more than I do. I've never had to worry about if I was gonna eat that day or, like, what I was going to eat. And you have kids, so the idea of like, a child also going hungry hits harder for you. So you like feeling all the feels. I can't think too much into things because then I also will just, like, go on it. Like, what more can I do? I also, I donated. My sister had posted about it and, like, had. She had families reach out to her that needed help. So, like, I just, like, donated money to different families. I live in the middle of nowhere, so I don't really. A bear would get into the food, so I don't really think that that would be good here. But first of all, proud of you. Love you. Appreciate the person you are. Second, what?

[Kale]

I wasn't, like, asking for a compliment.

[Becky Hater]

No, you should be proud of yourself. You should feel like it's good to give back. We deserve to feel like if we fail that we have community supporting us. Other thing is, I noticed that post yesterday and I also noticed a really funny comment. So I copied and pasted it into my notes so that I could read. So happy that you brought it up.

[Kale]

What comment? Hold on. Timeout. Really quickly. Before you get to that, I just want to say for anyone listening to this podcast, I learned over the weekend that food banks, they really aren't going to. They're not going to misdistribute your money. They have contracts with vendors to get food in bulk and cheaper. Like, literally pennies on the dollar compared to what you and I pay for at this grocery stor store. So if you donate cold hard cash, it goes further. Like, more bang for your buck when you donate directly to a food pantry. And I learned that I wish I could tag the creator, but she basically did a video on that saying that the cash for food banks goes further than donating food. But obviously, if all you have to give is food, like, they're gonna take it. Of course. But just for anyone who is looking for ways to help. But what comment are you talking about? What post?

[Becky Hater]

The post that you posted about if anyone needs food, that you'll be filling up your egg stand with eggs and food. Yeah, Someone commented and said, I looked over at my husband and said, kayla's giving her Eggs away for free. Isn't that so nice? And he goes, doesn't she already have enough kids? I'm not very specific in what I say. Sometimes. You thought you were giving your eggs in your body away.

[Kale]

Anyone wants a child with pcos, like, feel free, I'll give them away. It's fine. That's actually really. I think I commented back to that one because I'm like.

[Becky Hater]

Some of my favorite things to do is to, like, random pops up on my social media about you. And sometimes it'll be like. Like a hundred views, like, one comment, and it's like some small creator talking about you. And sometimes I'll comment and it's just like. And people are always like, what are you doing here? And I don't know.

[Kale]

I don't know why.

[Becky Hater]

Maybe because I comment on this. So, like, I don't know.

[Kale]

What are you. What are they, Ariana? What are you doing here? I just get frustrated because I have seen so many AI photos and videos of me with, like, quotes from me that I never said.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, one of those videos. And I went to the comments, and the one comment was like, I fully expected to come to this comment section. And Kale, like, have some, like. And it said, like, I absolutely don't. And I commented on it and I was like, same. Like, I popped into the. Into the comment section like, dude, she's got to be here.

[Kale]

Was I there?

[Becky Hater]

No, you weren't. Oh, it was. It was funny, though.

[Kale]

I. I think you'll be proud to know that I actually made a list. Also for this episode, I made a list of things that I would like to talk about.

[Becky Hater]

Impressive. We'll probably have enough content for three episodes because I have a long list, too.

[Kale]

I have several. First, I would like to say I did not know that the mob was real. I didn't know that the mob, the Mafia. Like, I thought it was fake news. Like, I thought it was, like, made up and just, like, scripted for TV shows. I. There's. My brain cannot comprehend organized crime. Like, I cannot comprehend that being real. Okay? Like, it just doesn't. There's no way that all of these people know each other and are doing crime together on purpose and planning it out. And it doesn't. The dots don't connect. Okay, So I get on Netflix.

[Becky Hater]

Okay. I was gonna ask where this came from.

[Kale]

I watch Mob war, and it's the war of the Philadelphia mob. And Joey, Joey. Joey Merlino and Stanfa and all these people, right? And people are killing people and they're shooting people, and there's organized crime. And I cannot understand.

[Becky Hater]

What about it do you not understand?

[Kale]

The guy is talking. He became an informant, like, on his own.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah.

[Kale]

And he's talking about how he did not feel bad to go kill this person. And he had like a long rap sheet and he just started like, he got a job, like, essentially like a blue collar situation. And the owner of that company basically, like, recruited him to be a part of the mob. And I'm thinking to myself, like, you, you really opened this business. And like, you're do like, that's like the laundering and like all of that stuff. And like, I just cannot understand how, like, you know another criminal. Like, there's multiple criminals involved and they know each other and they're working together for organized. Like, I cannot. It's not real. Like, what do you mean? There was a mob war in Philly. Like, what do you mean?

[Becky Hater]

Where do you think tracksuits came from?

[Kale]

What?

[Becky Hater]

Like, tracksuits, like the mob. Like, they're always in track suits and suits and regular suits. Isn't the Godfather, like, based on, like, a true story?

[Kale]

I don't know. I thought it was all like a fairy tale lore. Like, I thought it was like Snow White. You know what I mean?

[Becky Hater]

Hold on, let me see. No, God novels. It was heavily inspired by real people and events.

[Kale]

Like, that is so crazy. Like, Joey Merlino and Stanfa were rivals and each of them had a brother working for them. And then they died.

[Becky Hater]

Let me, Let me. Let me get this straight. You don't understand or can't comprehend the mob, but you have been a part of mlms and like, pyramid schemes.

[Kale]

They'Re not the same. They're not the same. You compared MLMs to the mob?

[Becky Hater]

Yeah.

[Kale]

What are you talking about?

[Becky Hater]

Yeah. It's like they're giving you an offer you can't refuse. You know.

[Kale]

You can't. You cannot compare. The top scheme is just like, dangling this opportunity.

[Becky Hater]

There's someone at top that's making money from all the people below them, that's ordering them around and giving them, you.

[Kale]

Know, but in the. Okay, so in this limited series on Netflix there, they put. I think it was like offering the informant like 10 grand or something to kill somebody. I'm not killing somebody at all. But, like, definitely not for 10,000. Like, after taxes, you're only left with 8,000.

[Becky Hater]

Okay. Dale, the mob isn't fucking paying taxes.

[Kale]

Money. What do you mean? I think you'd like. Like, I have to pay taxes. Like, I'm gonna get caught up, you know, and then I was thinking, like.

[Becky Hater]

I'm pretty sure, like, the mob was established to avoid taxes, so.

[Kale]

But they, like, have all these companies and like, convenience stores, restaurants, whatever. But they're really just a front for what they're actually doing. But then they were talking about, like, it was like this, like, shipment yard. I want to say it was like a train or something like that. And they had, like, trailers full of goods that they were selling. They were stolen goods and then reselling. Who is buying these big trailers worth of stuff? Like, how are you approaching a company and saying, hey, do you want these goods?

[Becky Hater]

You're not approaching a company, you're approaching the mob.

[Kale]

No, the mob was moving big stolen trailers of product and selling it. But. And somebody was buying it. So they were collect, like, dirty money. But, like, who was buying?

[Becky Hater]

Think about all, like, the, like, the electronic shops in New York City, like, the random stores that just have, like, a bunch of discounted.

[Kale]

I say all this to say that, like, I'm going down a deep rabbit hole with the mob and the mafia, and I plan to write novels on this, like, romance novels inspired by the mob. Okay.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, maybe you should join one and to get some real good research.

[Kale]

I don't think. Well, you know what?

[Becky Hater]

You should interview. You should have someone on Barely Famous that was in.

[Kale]

I would. No, because I would, like, I want to reach out to Joey Merlino, but he denies having any, like, affiliation. And he went to jail for 11 years. Was like, his last, like, situation. I think he's like 79 or 80 something now. Like, I need to talk to him. Like, I need.

[Becky Hater]

So maybe just have a private conversation.

[Kale]

And it's just like, hey, who can. Who would be willing to talk to me there? Informant? Hey, listen to me. Like, when I. What was it? Mob Wives. Remember that show, Bob, Mob Wives? I honestly didn't believe that was real. Like, I just don't believe it. Like, it just doesn't feel real to me. Like, you mean to tell me that you know 10 other people that are killing people?

[Becky Hater]

My computer just started freaking out.

[Kale]

What store? I was wondering what happened, but I think it's fine.

[Becky Hater]

It was probably the mob.

[Kale]

It was probably the mob. They were listening in. But I. I don't believe that the mob is real. I don't think it ever. I thought mob Mob Wives was like, all like. Like, it was like a group of friends. Like how we call everybody the karma. I thought it was, like, a group of friends and, like, it was just this lore, this, like, myth that there was actually organized crime. Like, I thought it was all a myth. Kind of like the way that people think dinosaurs are a myth. I thought the mob was a myth. That's what I wanted to tell you. I'm excited to talk about Revolve because ever since I bought my jawstring jeans from Revolve for my first Revolve order ever, I have been in love with Revolve ever since. Okay. Revolve is perfect for a closet, glow up a date night, weddings and special events or if you're going to a concert or a date night out, vacations, chill. Any sort of look that you're looking for, Revolve has you covered. They have 1200 plus brands and 100,000 styles across fashion, beauty and home. From high end to emerging and exclusive labels. But the latest, most sought after trends from top brands like Helsa Lovers and Friends, Amanda Up Richard, Norma Kamali, a Goldie super down, more to come and free people. You guys know I'm big for free people. They have a authentic high quality products, new arrivals daily which is really nice. I do find myself checking this section pretty regularly and what I love most is that they have inclusive sizing options from options from extra extra small to 4x. And if you guys have been following me for a long time, you guys know my weight fluctuates. So it's really nice to be able to go to the same place and still get some of the styles that I love in all the sizes I've ever been, which is really nice. I got a cute, really a super cute airplane mode crew neck recently that I absolutely love. So if you're looking for something new, whether it's a weekend getaway, a big night out, or just a little style refresh, your dream wardrobe is just one click away. Head to Revolve.com Karma, shop my edit and take 15 off your first order with code Karma. Fast two day shipping, easy returns. It's literally the only place you need to shop from. That's Revolve.com Karma to shop my favorites and get 15 off your first order with code Karma. Offer ends December 2nd. So happy shopping. This episode of Karma and Chaos podcast is brought to you by booking.com I've gotta say, if you're looking to grow your vacation rental business, this is the place to be. Booking.com is one of the most downloaded travel apps in the world. And for good reason. Since 2010, they've helped over 1.8 billion vacation rental guests find places to stay. And that's billion with a B. But here's the Thing, most vacation rental hosts don't even realize they can list their properties on booking.com and if you're not on the platform, your rental is basically invisible to millions of Booking.com travelers worldwide. After all, they can't book what they can't see, right? But once you start listing on booking.com, your property gets seen by a massive global audience of unique travelers. That means more visibility, more bookings, and more opportunity to accelerate the growth of your rental business. And it couldn't be any easier. You can register your property in as little as 15 minutes, and nearly half the hosts get their first booking within a week. So if your vacation rental isn't listed on booking.com it could be invisible to millions of travelers searching the platform. Don't miss out on consistent bookings and global reach. Head over to booking.com and start your listing today. Get seen, get booked on booking dot com.

[Becky Hater]

Was that. Was that the only thing on your list?

[Kale]

No, that wasn't the only thing on my list.

[Becky Hater]

But speaking of organized crime, the Louvre.

[Kale]

It has an R in it. And I, like, saw how it was spilled, and I was like, that is not. I did not.

[Becky Hater]

You're gonna get roasted for not knowing what the Louvre is.

[Kale]

Well, I did ask at dinner when we went to Kristen's birthday surprise dinner, and nobody at the table besides Alessandra and Kristen knew what the Louvre was.

[Becky Hater]

Okay, well, you.

[Kale]

I would just like to tell you.

[Becky Hater]

That you are who you surround yourself with. I guess. The robbers got caught, and that's sad.

[Kale]

Honestly. They deserve a gold medal. An Olympic gold medal.

[Becky Hater]

For real?

[Kale]

No, I'm not kidding.

[Becky Hater]

I need to look into how they got caught, and I should probably look into if they were bad people or not, because, like, can't be.

[Kale]

They weren't. If they knew how. Like, Homeland Security needs to hire them.

[Becky Hater]

For real.

[Kale]

No. Like, I'm being dead out. Like, they could work for the CIA. They could work for the mob.

[Becky Hater]

The. Imagine the imaginary mob. My list is very. Like, this podcast is so random, but my list is very, very, very random. I was going to ask, have you ever been in a situation? Let me. Let me break this down for you. I do not let things rile me up. Right. Like, I do, you know, bad customer service. Any. Like, I normally am. Just, like, they're having a bad day. Let me. Let me just move on with mine as well. We'll figure it out. Only people that have sparked emotions out of me is the frustration of customer service that I dealt with with my fertility clinic. So maybe it was a little PTSD that happened during this episode. Recently, I ordered a split unit. Do you know what a split unit is?

[Kale]

No, I do not.

[Becky Hater]

It is a heating, air conditioning unit. It's expensive. Couple thousand dollars. I ordered one to put above the. My garage because I'm building out my new. For the haters studio, my new office, my new guest suite. Ordered one couple thousand dollars. I think that's important to know because that's a lot of money. I order it and last week, and then I. I had to schedule a delivery date. So they said Friday. There has to be a signature for it. So they said between 8 and 5 it gets to be 4:30. And I'm like, what the. Like, I had plans. I really thought it was going to be here earlier. This dude calls me and he's like, hey, did you like, something about scheduling for delivery? And I was like, I. I scheduled it. It's like, supposed to be here today. He's like, oh, okay. He's like, you know, I can. I'm about to leave here. I'll be. I'm like, I'm like, okay, I'm getting a little. I'm like, what's going on? I'm like, that's fine. There's a turnaround at the top of the driveway. Don't worry about, like, not being able to turn around. I'd like to tell people that because I have a long driveway. It's like half mile, quarter mile long. This man goes, oh, we don't drive down driveways. And I was like, what? What? And he's like, we aren't allowed to go on people's driveways. And I said, you're a delivery company and you're not allowed to go on people's driveways. And he's like, yeah, most people, like, we can access the front door from the road. And I said, I don't know where you live, sir, but you can't access people's front doors where I'm from, from the road. And I'm like. I'm like, are you just trying to avoid dropping this off here? Like, last delivery of the day? He's like, no, I got paid regardless. And I'm like, I'm like. I'm like, what is like, is this is normal? He's like, yes, it's a company policy. I'm like, can you give me the number of someone else? So I call the company and they do not drive down driveways. I think it's because of legal, like, if. I don't know, they don't want to, like, cause any damage because they're driving tractors.

[Kale]

So they're going to drop it off at the end of your driveway and then you're responsible to get it back up your driveway.

[Becky Hater]

He was like, okay, then I'm gonna cancel this shipment. And I said, just drop it off at the end of the driveway. I'll figure it out. And he's like, okay. And I. So I had to call this other person. I get down it. Like, I can pick it up. I fit it in my car. Like, not the point that I can pick it up and fit in my car, but like, I was fuming. I was like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

[Kale]

I've never heard of that in my entire life. And I would be pissed off if someone's so mad because your driveway is longer than mine and mine's pretty long. So that would piss me the off.

[Becky Hater]

I was so mad. I was. And in my head I'm like, I'm not gonna get it delivered. He was supposed to come install it. That's another story. He didn't. But like, I, I. Which reminds me, I need to make a note to call the company I ordered it from and be like, hey, you need to like, look into who you hire to deliver your stuff. Because I'm not spending thousands of dollars for something to be dropped off at the end of my driveway.

[Kale]

Hell no. Hell no.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah. So I was like, live. I was like, it, it, like boiled. It was on. Thanks. Or it was Thanksgiving. It was on Halloween. And I was, I was like boiling up, you know? So anyway, also something that. It makes me more mad than it makes Leah. So there was people in, in our Facebook group talking about my son and his thinking he has the ear infection. Anyway, there was people that were commenting. You do this sometimes too. But I do. People really love calling and. No, there's no shade. People really love calling Leah a nurse. And I didn't always.

[Kale]

Correct.

[Becky Hater]

You've called her a nurse before.

[Kale]

I have never called Leah a nurse, okay. In my whole life.

[Becky Hater]

I know she's a pa, okay, but people do. And I don't know if it's just not maybe. I probably wouldn't know what a PA was if I wasn't married to one. But little learning lesson for everyone. A PA is different than a nurse. Both important roles, but a PA is, is a mid level provider. A PA can do everything a doctor can do except have their own practice.

[Kale]

So could they have their own practice with a doctor's Oversight.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah. Well, most people you go to in a practice are PAs. Like, a doctor works, like, owns that practice because I know PAs that work for them.

[Kale]

Certain estheticians that do injectables can have, like, a bed spa under a doctor.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah. So my. The girl that does my Botox and, like, my GLP1s and all that stuff is opening up her own med spa, and she's a PA but has to have a doctor, like, affiliate, like. Yep, yeah, affiliated with it. Speaking of her med spa is. She's building. I'm so proud of her. This is. Her name is Steph. You know my friend Mike that passed away? Yes, it's his sister.

[Kale]

Oh, cool. That's cool. I mean, it's not cool that he passed away, but it's cool that it's his sister.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, but she's opening up, like, she bought a building of her own, and she has helped other med spas like Thrive. Ironically, her med spa is called Thrive, but she bought a building, and her husband's a general contractor, and he's completely renovating it to be her own, like, for her.

[Kale]

Oh, that's cute.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, you'll have to come when they have, like, when she has, like, her grand opening. I'll invite you. It'll be next year, and then you can come and we can, like, help promote it and stuff.

[Kale]

Oh, that would be so fun. We do karma and chaos supports small businesses. Speaking of that, I have big updates for you on Killer Sports.

[Becky Hater]

I love. I love a good business conversation. Let's hear it.

[Kale]

I know people don't always give a about the business side of things, but Killer Sports is in full swing. They start the build on Thursday, which is in three days. And they said that the parking lot and drain system under the parking lot will be done by Christmas. All the site work will be done by Christmas, and the building will be up for Q1. And so that's really exciting. We are. We are on track for Q1 opening of Killer Sports. So I'm.

[Becky Hater]

I'm so proud of you. Are you doing all the content? Like, are you gonna have, like, all of it recorded and everything?

[Kale]

I'm gonna do my best and record it myself.

[Becky Hater]

You could pay Elliot to do it too.

[Kale]

Okay. Speaking of that, he created this, like, faceless account to create edits of, like, his favorite celebrities. And he showed me one last night, and I said, you need to work for Killer. Like, you need to work for my team. Because the edits that he's doing on video, I was so impressed. Like, the transitions the, like all the. And I'm like freaking out because I'm like, these are actually really good.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, you should hire him for it.

[Kale]

You're him. But I'm like, you can have your own little branch of killer entertainment, Killer.

[Becky Hater]

Network killer all are you gonna do? I like you. Are you gonna do any type of like after school program? There's.

[Kale]

Yeah, that's right now I really, I want to wait until the parking lot gets put in because obviously that will tell me. Okay, like, we really are on track. But I would like to reach out to the local schools to see if we could create like if they would be willing to take, you know, for. If anyone has parents that work until 5 or 6 o', clock, can we get buses to drop kids off there? If there's trainers and things like that.

[Becky Hater]

I was just about to think, like, what if you bought your own bus that you branded Killer that like transported kids back and forth?

[Kale]

I don't know what the liability of that is, but you ask, you reach.

[Becky Hater]

Out to a bus company so you don't have to like buy the bus and hold insurance for the bus, but ask them if you can brand one of their buses, see what the cost for branding one of the buses would be.

[Kale]

I, I think there are so many ideas for this. It just sucks because anything over anything at the 10,000 square feet mark, you have to go through all kinds of extra hoops. And like, eventually I would like to have like a whole like literal complex.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Right now it has to be under 10,000 square feet. And I have to get really creative about how I utilize the 10,000 square feet. And so, like, I have a vision in my head, but I'm nervous because I'm like, well, what if it's not enough? Do you know what I'm saying? But like, I'm thinking of where Lux and Creed play indoor soccer and Lincoln play indoor soccer if it's that size. I mean, they play really full competitive games in that indoor soccer space. When I tell you they move like clockwork. Like once that one game is done, you're off fucking field within 30 seconds. And the next, the next team. But which is good for the parents because you're like, I don't want to wait around. But that specific facility doesn't have like on, like they don't have staff there all the time. Like it's, it's almost like a free for all, but like people just operate it. Like, I don't even know how to describe it, but I'm excited and I really Think this is gonna give? I don't know. If one of my kids decides not to go to college and they just want to take over the business, like, that's the goal, to have an opportunity for them.

[Becky Hater]

Even, like having, like, even Lincoln getting his first job there, right? Like during, like when he's in high school or whatever that looks like, you know, he can learn the business side of things. He can learn what? Like, and he loves sports, so it just makes sense.

[Kale]

Fingers crossed. Wish me luck, y'. All.

[Becky Hater]

Fingers crossed. It was funny because I, I thought to myself, oh, I wonder if I could have like, my kids birthday parties there. But, like, how inconvenient would that, Would it be too inconvenient for people?

[Kale]

Well, there's another facility, like 45 minutes from me, and they host birthday at birthday parties, so you could. But it would. For your New Jersey people, it would be kind of annoying.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah.

[Kale]

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[Becky Hater]

I there was a tick tock that came up and I want to get your input on this and would you, would you stop being friends with someone?

[Kale]

I have that on my list. Don't show your list on my list. What?

[Becky Hater]

I said don't show your list.

[Kale]

Oh, sorry.

[Becky Hater]

You showed on the cards.

[Kale]

It's interesting because, wait, before we get.

[Becky Hater]

Into this, it only took a year for you to start creating your own list?

[Kale]

I mean, I think I started the podcast making lists and then it slow, it quickly just faded. And then this past weekend, so much has had happened that I was like, I can't, I'm not going to be able to speak without making lists. So that's the list. But would I stop being friends with someone for cheating on their partner? I have seen all the nuances, all of the videos talking about, well, it depends on this. It depends on that generalization. And we're talking about someone that's cheating on an ain't man or an ain't girlfriend. I don't give a and I'm gonna keep my mouth shut and look the other way. If you're cheating on a really good person, like a good partner, why are you not breaking up with them first? So it's too nuanced for me to give a flat answer. It's interesting to me how people come to their decisions on that. Like I did see a video where someone was like, well, if they'll cheat on their partner who's supposed to be their ride or die. What do you think they'll do to you as their friend?

[Becky Hater]

I don't know if that's comparable.

[Kale]

Significant other. They'll cheat on your friendship or betray your friendship. Yeah. So my question to you is, what are your thoughts on it?

[Becky Hater]

I think it's situational. I think it's not an easy answer because I've had a lot of friends that have significant others that they deserve to be cheated on. And so quite honestly, like, I, Like, I'm not gonna not be friends with someone because of it, though. Where it gets sticky is like you said, if they're dating a good person, but if I don't, if I'm not friends with that person, I still like. I. I would have a open and honest conversation with them, but I wouldn't not be friends with them. Where it gets really sticky is if I'm friends with both of them.

[Kale]

Fair.

[Becky Hater]

So, like, like, my automatic mind goes to Amanda and Spencer. Right. Like, I'm friends with both of them. Yeah. I don't know, Like, I don't know.

[Kale]

If I have any. Like, obviously I'm friends with Kristen's husband, but, like, my loyalty will always be with Kristen because, yeah, that's him. Because of her. So I'm trying to think of a situation where, like, Kelsey, if car.

[Becky Hater]

But okay, let's put Carson and Kelsey in this situation. I'm friends with both of them. If one of them cheated on each other, I, I would still be friends with both of them. I would be really upset and really pissed off and really, like, what the. But, like, I couldn't leave my friend because they're about to go through some hell after their choice.

[Kale]

You know, they would have to.

[Becky Hater]

Okay, like, if I, If I cheated on Leah, you wouldn't not be friends with me.

[Kale]

I would be devastated and I would be really mad at you. But I would not be friends with me, though. No. Because a romantic relationship, I understand. I guess I understand, like, the thought process behind, like, oh, if they cheated on their significant other, then what are they going to do to the front? Like, I guess I kind of understand that, but I also feel like it doesn't matter how well, you know, a couple, at the end of the day, you don't know what goes on behind closed doors and you don't know, like, what's what. So to me, the romance, the romantic relationship has nothing to do with our friendship. And I just think that they are usually so different. I mean, I'm open minded to hearing out what people have to say about it. But.

[Becky Hater]

But you. You know, I'm now thinking about a little bit deeper. It's because I have really good friends that I'm not really questioning if I would leave them or not. Like, I don't have friends that, like, are bad people who, like, are, like, spew off hate or spew off evil or just. You know what I mean?

[Kale]

Who.

[Becky Hater]

Who bring toxicity to my life. So, like, people are. Have friendships that are, like, rooted in just not pure love or authentic, like, authenticity. So, like, or they have that, like, underlining competition or underlining jealousy or underlining just issues between the friendship. Like, I would be so sad to lose any friend that's in my life. Right? Like, and I think some people just don't have great friends, so it's easier to be like, oh, yeah. If they fucked up or did that, then fuck them.

[Kale]

So then let me flip the question a little bit. Stop being friends with someone who's sleeping with someone who's cheating on their partner.

[Becky Hater]

No, but I would be very disappointed in them. I probably would put distance on our friendship. Like, I don't. I can't support this. I don't want to know. It's, like, about this. Leave, leave. Leave me out of it. And, like, I don't want to be around it. I'm trying to think I've ever been in that situation. I don't think.

[Kale]

Would you lie for a friend that was cheating on their partner?

[Becky Hater]

I don't think so.

[Kale]

Honestly, in my 20s, I would have.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, for sure. Now I. I don't.

[Kale]

You're cheating on your partner, and maybe they're. They're a piece of. And you're like, oh, I. I told them I was at your house. Okay, don't tell me. Don't tell me anything else. Whatever you say. I don't. I don't need to know. But now, do not lie about. Don't say you're with me if you're not, because I don't have it in me.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah. Like, I just don't. Ooh. I. I'm, like, thinking about, like, any of my friends calling me and putting me on the spot of, hey, like, wasn't I. Don't ever do this to me, all right? Because, like, if you did it, I might lie. Now that I think about it.

[Kale]

Like, did I not come see you yesterday? But I feel like at the point that someone calls me or texts me and. And words it a very specific way, if they were, like, wasn't I with you yesterday. I know you're lying. Like, I know I need to lie now because if you're like, hey, what did you do last night? Am I lying or am I telling the truth? Like, I don't involve me in this.

[Becky Hater]

I don't know. I'm uncomfortable.

[Kale]

This wasn't on my. The only part of this that was on my list was the tik tok trend. So I'm sorry for going on a tangent.

[Becky Hater]

No, it. Totally fine. I have two things I want to say about tik Tok. I have two comments that I wrote. You know how I love the comments. I started, like writing down some comments that I thought were. Were funny. Actually, I have one comment. The other one is a little bit more sentimental, but I was scrolling and like, there was this, like, I'm not gonna say what the tick tock was because I'm not bringing up controversial things, but there was a tick tock that shouldn't have been on my feed. And so I was like, what? Like, why is this on my feed? Type of thing. And then I went to the comments and like, I was like, oh. Like, this is why it's on my feed. Because, like, the comments were really funny, but the one was like, it was like on my phone, question mark, question mark, question mark that I pay for. Question mark, question mark, question mark. I was like, that's so funny. Like, the audacity, like, to put this on my phone that I paid for.

[Kale]

Not wrong.

[Becky Hater]

It was so funny. Okay, this is. Oh, you have something.

[Kale]

No, go ahead. If you have something. I can just wait.

[Becky Hater]

I cannot wait to read this to you. Okay. And I hope that you can conceptualize what it means because, like, Leah couldn't, like, put it. Put two and two together and. Okay, so it says, how come like. And it was a love. The new trend of like, people being like, sometimes you just have to ignore your mom and move on with your day or ignore your words.

[Kale]

I did ignore your kids texts and go on with your day.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was like a sister one. And the sister texted the sister and said, how come when NASA visits planets, they walk on top of it and not in it? Like, we are inside Earth and you can't just walk on top of it. Do you get it?

[Kale]

On top of the Earth?

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, but like, when you, when there are videos or pictures, like when you're on like the moon, you're like, on top of it. You can see like everything around you. You're like, inside of it. Like, it not. I get what she means. Like, You're. I know that we're not inside the Earth, but, like, we are tiny. Like, you get it?

[Kale]

Yes.

[Becky Hater]

You know what I mean?

[Kale]

Yes. But I think it's.

[Becky Hater]

Like when all the pictures from the moon, you could just see everything.

[Kale]

Right. But I think it's also the position, the positioning of the planet or the moon in the solar system also has. Plays a part in that.

[Becky Hater]

Maybe because.

[Kale]

But also this furthers my disbelief that we never landed on the Moon because there's, like, an atmosphere after the Earth. So it's like the Earth and then, like, the atmosphere. So, like, it blocks the galaxy, where, like, maybe other planets and the moon don't have, like, an atmosphere before. Does that make sense?

[Becky Hater]

Maybe.

[Kale]

Girl, what do I know? Like, the sky and clouds. But, like, the sky. Like, if you're on the moon, there's no sky and clouds. Right. Like, where is the sun? In. Lincoln literally asked me how Rio could be gifted with parents like me. And I have come to the religion real. I have come to the realization in this moment right now, this is what he meant.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah.

[Kale]

I don't have those answers, but, like, I feel like I'm on to something. I just need to understand how Earth has, like, a sky before the galaxy and the moon doesn't have that.

[Becky Hater]

Isn't it because the ozone layer.

[Kale]

I. Is that a myth? Or is that, like.

[Becky Hater]

No one.

[Kale]

This is why all other countries are better than us, because. But, like, the American education system has us.

[Becky Hater]

What benefit comes from us knowing, like, I'm not gonna save the world, so what does it matter if I know?

[Kale]

But do you believe that people went out of. Went into outer space in a rocket? Like, I know we don't believe that we landed on the moon, but do you believe that they went up and came back? Where did they go? They just, like, went up and then came right back down.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, I believe that.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Becky Hater]

I mean, there's literally people out there now.

[Kale]

What?

[Becky Hater]

There's a space station in. Out there.

[Kale]

What? What?

[Becky Hater]

There's a space station.

[Kale]

What?

[Becky Hater]

There's a little. What? People were just stuck there.

[Kale]

Yeah. I don't believe that.

[Becky Hater]

You can't.

[Kale]

And it was, like, nine months. Like, you're telling me that was like, Project Hail Mary that I. That I listened to on Dr. She's about to school me on all this right now. She's about to.

[Becky Hater]

I'm reading. I just started that book.

[Kale]

Oh, Project Hail Mary is so good. 5 stars.

[Becky Hater]

I just started it.

[Kale]

It's so good. And, like, the people die, and he's like, in the space, right? Like he's like out there.

[Becky Hater]

Did you just ruin the book?

[Kale]

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[Becky Hater]

Alessandra Alexander.

[Kale]

I. I would love to know what part of this conversation she came in. I literally just came in. You are going to rip your hair out when you listen to this episode. In its entirety. This is the second half because I had to stop the first one because it. It glitched.

[Becky Hater]

It's because Kale said she doesn't believe in the mob, and the mob was listening and glitched.

[Kale]

No, no, no, no, no. I. First of all, Alessandra, people are asking where the you've been? So I think it's great that you're here, but I would assume telling Becky that I thought that the mob was a myth, like, I thought it was, like, folklore. What?

[Becky Hater]

She also doesn't believe that we have a space station that people, like, travel out into space.

[Kale]

Out. And why sky before the galaxy. What did you just Google?

[Becky Hater]

This episode's been a doozy.

[Kale]

This episode is going to be questionable. Okay. Text saying, tech issues. And I'm like, all right, coming in hot. I fear for America. Oh, yeah, same every day. But not because of the space she's talking about.

[Becky Hater]

Because of the lack of understanding. Why do we have a space sky?

[Kale]

And why does Earth have a sky, Alessandra. And the moon doesn't. What? Like, just.

[Becky Hater]

Okay, I'm gonna look this up.

[Kale]

I actually, I have no clue. Space is something that honestly terrifies me a lot. So I don't think about it too much, because if I do, I will spiral out of control.

[Becky Hater]

I just said I am asking Sam, why does Earth have a sky and the moon doesn't? Please explain as if I'm a 10 year old. Okay, Imagine this. Earth is wearing a big invisible blanket called the atmosphere.

[Kale]

I said that. I'm smarter than y' all give me credit for.

[Becky Hater]

The blanket is made of gases like oxygen and nitrogen. When sunlight hits the Earth, the light bounces around in the atmosphere, especially the blue light, which is why our sky looks better blue during the day. The moon, on the other hand, doesn't have that blanket. It's like a bare rock floating in space. Since there's no atmosphere. Atmosphere for sunlight to bounce around in. There's no sky color. Just black space all the time, even when the sun is shining. So basically, the Earth has a blanket and the Moon doesn't.

[Kale]

Right. So no other. No other planets have a blanket?

[Becky Hater]

No. So this says even though the moon sky is black, it still looks bright, especially when we see it from Earth. And here's why. The Moon doesn't make its own light.

[Kale]

It's like a big moon.

[Becky Hater]

It's. It's like a big mirror in space. When the sunlight hits the moon, the gray, gray, dusty surface reflects some of that light back towards us. That's why it Makes it shine.

[Kale]

But.

[Becky Hater]

Because.

[Kale]

But you know what? It is really up to the government to make sure that the schools teach this, because why am I 33 years old learning about the solar system?

[Becky Hater]

First of all, they did teach you this. Susie might have not had you in school that day.

[Kale]

Susie did not enroll me before the first half of the year.

[Becky Hater]

You literally learned what. What grade?

[Kale]

I missed that unit, if I had to guess, probably like fifth grade, third grade.

[Becky Hater]

Third and fourth grade.

[Kale]

I had perfect attendance in fourth grade, so it definitely wasn't that year.

[Becky Hater]

How do you remember that?

[Kale]

Because my mom used to try to get me to stay home, and then I would be like, I have to go to school, because that was my safe space. You know what I mean?

[Becky Hater]

I don't, but yeah, that's unfortunate.

[Kale]

I mean, it's fortunate for you. It's unfortunate for me.

[Becky Hater]

Unfortunate for me. All right, let's. Let's wrap this up with a. Is it karma or is it chaos? Here we go. My father and I haven't always gotten along, and I stopped talking to him when I was 15. He never physically hurt me, but his words were harsh. And as a 15 year old girl, I didn't take to anger or yelling very well. My mom always criticized him and he always criticized my mom, so I sided with my mom. I'm now 22 and have recently started to rebuild our relationship. He's opened up to me about how his life wasn't always easy and that he didn't always make the best choices and that I was the best thing he's ever gotten. Right. I also wanted to mention that I believe when my. When my mom left him, it deeply hurt and angered him and he never truly moved on. He hasn't had much success with women, and I jokingly made a comment about how he shouldn't have let my mom slip while he took it seriously. You really can't tell Sarca sarcasm from a text. And he is trying. I guess what I'm trying to ask is, are my parents actually going to reconcile after all these years of hating each other? I feel like this could get messy. But. But I'm also torn about whether this is my fault or not. Could you please help? Is this my fault? Is this their fate? Is it karma or just chaos?

[Kale]

My vote is it's absolutely not her fault.

[Becky Hater]

Oh, absolutely not.

[Kale]

I. I hate that people think that certain things are their fault that have nothing to do with them. Like, I would never want my kids to look at themselves and think that they're the reason for X, Y, And Z with their dads. You know what I mean? Like that's not.

[Becky Hater]

Yeah, that's horrible.

[Kale]

I mean, but not possible that parents, they hate each other and then eventually reconcile even enough to get back together. Because I think when you hate someone that bad, you only can hate them because there are still feelings there.

[Becky Hater]

You can for sure.

[Kale]

You don't have feelings, you're indifferent. Right? Like I feel indifferent about all my kids dads because I don't give a at all. They get me worked up. But like I don't have romantic feelings. I don't love them, I don't hate them. You know what I mean? In order to hate someone, you have to love someone. And I don't think anyone is ready for that conversation yet. But no, I mean, so for real, like you can't hate my guts unless you like me.

[Becky Hater]

Okay. Anyway.

[Kale]

Okay. I know I'm right because I'm always right. But thank you.

[Becky Hater]

I. I don't think it. I think it's interesting. I think they're just people. I think as a 22 year old you should maybe try to like remove yourself from this situation if they are going to try to. But like they're just people, right? Like maybe your dad grew up a little bit and like maybe there's still. I don't know how bad the relationship was earlier, like, but keep me updated because now I'm invested. I want to know what happens if they do get back together. What I do know is that you should feel no fault to whatever comes of this situation. It's not your fault they got divorced or left each other. It's not your fault anything. So take that off that conscious baby and see what happens with their fate.

[Kale]

Perfect.

[Becky Hater]

And that's all she wrote, folks.

[Kale]

All right, where can people Follow you?

[Becky Hater]

Becky Hater 25 on all social media and make sure to listen for the haters new episode every Monday.

[Kale]

Yep, we'll see you there. See ya.

[Becky Hater]

Love ya.

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