Toothbrush Gate

Summary

Podcast Summary: “Toothbrush Gate”

Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter
PodcastOne | November 11, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Karma & Chaos, hosts Kail Lowry and Becky Hayter dig into the wild and relatable realities of their 30s—from health challenges in parenting, messy family life, and “mom fails” at kids’ sports, to viral pop culture moments, DNA tests, and the ultimate debate: just how gross is it to share a toothbrush? With Kail’s no-filter style and Becky’s dry humor, the discussion bounces between chaos and real-life wisdom.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Parenting Struggles and Sick Kids

• Kail’s son’s eczema: Kail shares her frustration with managing her son’s eczema, the pitfalls of hydrocortisone, and the challenge of implementing restrictive diets for picky eaters.
  • Kail: “I've been taking Dayquil for the past three days… it's making me piss out my ass… So if anyone is wanting to take Dayquil, just be warned.” (02:36)
  • Kail highlights how lifestyle and gut issues can worsen eczema, raising questions about nutrition versus standard treatments:
    “Everything that I've learned about eczema is that it's actually like, a gut problem... The dermatologist had said to put... hydrocortisone 2.5. In my opinion, it's getting worse with that because there's alcohol in it.” (04:09)
• The challenges of dietary restrictions for kids: Kail opens up about the impracticality of cutting out dairy or gluten in a busy family with multiple children and packed schedules.
• Becky relates by referencing a past guest who suffered topical steroid withdrawal: “It's terrifying… that side of things.” (03:24)

2. Book Talk and Mom Life Updates

• Book Club banter: Becky is reading “Verity” and expresses her love for the suspense, calling it a stronger hook than “The Housemaid.”
  • Becky: “The writing in this book is already 10 times better… has me hooked more, and I've only read three chapters." (06:44)
• Kids’ sports: Kail shares excitement about her son Creed’s first “big boy” indoor soccer.
  • “I'm excited to see him play.” (07:49)
• Becky at a friends’ weekend in Pittstown: She recounts sleep regression drama and baby milestones, sharing the FOMO her baby Bex feels seeing other babies crawl.
  • “Bex has so much FOMO… and he rolled for the first time this morning but I think it's because he had so much fomo.” (10:05)

3. Family, DNA, and Identity

• Nature of parental identity and DNA: Becky poses a deep question: Could you live your whole life never knowing who your father is?
  • Becky: "There's someone here that... has never wanted to [know], has like, no interest." (13:59)
• Kail’s perspective as someone who sought out her own parentage:
  • “I was asking about my dad as soon as I found out… I'm just a naturally nosy person. So, like, no, I could not.” (13:40)
  • The pair discuss whether a mom should inform a biological father about a pregnancy and what motivates some people to not seek out unknown parentage.

4. Pop Culture: The Great Louvre Heist

• Becky brings up the real-life Louvre robbery:
  • Becky: “The Louvre got robbed… They stole… 88 million euros. So 102 million of in lost jewels.” (17:57)
  • The duo express surprise—not sympathy or outrage—over the heist.
  • Kail: “Who cares? …Like, what does this mean?” (18:12)
  • Both debate the notion of robbery vs. cultural importance of artifacts, referencing the way history is often misused and how artifacts are sometimes reclaimed through illegal means.
  • “It's giving Black Panther and Michael B. Jordan.” – Kail (18:41)

5. Safety Anxiety and Mom Fears

• Hyper-awareness and dark scenarios: Becky discusses thinking through emergencies due to PTSD from past trauma, leading the moms to ponder how they’d react if something terrible happened while home with their kids.
  • Becky: “I was like, okay, what am I going to do if I hear gunshots downstairs?” (22:16)
  • Kail talks about planning hiding spots for her kids during walks: “If there was an intruder, I would tell Rio to go here, climb under there…” (23:24)

6. Friendship, Aging, and Intimacy

• Love languages and nostalgia: Becky shares a TikTok where helping a friend work on his house over beers is the ultimate love language—contrasted by Kail’s aversion to manual labor.
  • “I love that for you. I don't want to work on anything.” – Kail (27:21)
• Concerns about dementia and legacy: Kail worries about people seeing her phone and private life if she loses her memory or dies unexpectedly.
  • “If someone goes through my phone and they see something they don't like, I can't fix it for them because I'm dead.” (29:43)

7. Parenting at Kids’ Sports: Fails and Ownage

• Classic “sports mom” moments: Becky teases Kail for yelling the wrong things at her son's hockey games.
  • Becky: “I will never forget when you yelled, Lincoln's open. And it, like, made zero sense, but he was...” (31:51)
• Kail’s self-aware reply:
  “I don't know what man to man is. I don't know what zone is. I don't know any of that... but you know that I'm present.” (31:24)
  • Discussion follows about learning sports lingo and whether showing up trumps technical knowledge as a parent.
• Learning sports terms: Kail proudly proclaims she's learned the difference between a "pick six" and an interception, and what an "and one" is in basketball.
  • “Now Lincoln's wide open. Pass the shit to Lincoln. The play didn't work out.” (32:00)

8. Death, Social Media Connections, & Cringe

• Unexpected online encounters: Becky tells a cringe story about reaching out to someone online only to discover their relative died—awkward social media moments ensue.
  • Becky: “She was like, well, he died four years ago. And I was like, oh my God.” (41:04)

9. “Toothbrush Gate”: Sharing Is Daring

• The big debate:
  • Do you share towels with your partner? Both say yes, if everyone’s clean.
  • Do you share toothbrushes? Lines are blurred, especially when traveling or in emergencies.
    • Kail: “My ex husband used to use my toothbrush, and I did not find out until, like, months later.” (44:19)
    • Becky: “Lee and I will share a toothbrush on vacation. Like, we don't actively share one at home.” (44:27)
    • Kail: “If you put your mouth on my body parts... then you can share my toothbrush.” (45:18)
  • On transferring cavities: “The bacteria that causes cavities, you can give that to somebody.” – Kail (45:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On eczema and gut health:
  • “Everything that I've learned about eczema is that it's actually like, a gut problem… They said to put on this hydrocortisone 2.5. In my opinion, it's getting worse with that because there's alcohol in it.” – Kail (04:09)
• On the Louvre heist:
  • “Who cares? Like, I'm on the same… Like, what does this mean? Like, okay, like, I get it. Ancient artifacts, right? But, like, rest a part of history.” – Kail (18:12)
  • “It's giving Black Panther and Michael B. Jordan.” – Kail (18:41)
• On parenting at sports games:
  • “I don't know what man to man is. I don't know what zone is. I don't know any of that… but you know that I'm present.” – Kail (31:24)
• Parent anxieties:
  • “If someone goes through my phone and they see something they don't like, I can't fix it for them because I'm dead.” – Kail (29:43)
• Toothbrush drama:
  • “Lee and I will share a toothbrush on vacation… sometimes I use hers at home, though. I don't tell.” – Becky (44:34)
  • “If you put your mouth on my body parts, like you put your mouth in my genitals and where I pee, then you can share my toothbrush.” – Kail (45:18)

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Karma or Chaos: Listener Dilemma (49:45)

• The Scenario: A listener recounts sleeping with a married man (not knowing at first), later finding out, continuing the affair, and then discovering her own husband cheated on her. She wonders: is this karma or chaos?
  • Becky: “This does sound like a little bit of karma.” (51:05)
  • Kail: “But I still like her.” (51:14)
  • Becky: “She said something about him watching porn, liking and following females. I don't find that to be cheating.”
  • Kail: “If it's cheating in certain relationships, like, you have to know your partner... in my relationship… I don't give a fudge.” (52:26)

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Important Timestamps

• Eczema woes & DayQuil complaints: 02:36 – 05:28
• Book club talk & “Verity” discussion: 06:19 – 07:34
• Big boy soccer game & parenting confessions: 07:47 – 08:58
• DNA & parental identity: 13:09 – 16:20
• Louvre robbery, artifacts, & public history: 16:44 – 21:12
• Mom paranoia & home safety: 22:16 – 23:36
• Sports-mom drama & yelling the wrong things: 30:27 – 33:45
• Toothbrush gate & gross-out confessions: 44:19 – 45:31
• Listener dilemma, porn in relationships, 'is it karma or chaos?': 49:45 – 54:45

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Tone & Takeaways

Kail and Becky’s candid, often irreverent approach makes even taboo topics feel safe and funny ("If you put your mouth on my genitals... you can share my toothbrush"). The episode balances real-life struggle (from eczema and trauma to awkward social media news about death) with relatable mom humor (yelling nonsense at sporting events, surrendering to life’s unpredictability, and the fallacy of “mom guilt”). Whether tackling infidelity, family DNA mysteries, or marital pet peeves, Karma & Chaos continues to serve up authenticity with side helpings of chaos—and the occasional moment of karma.

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Summary prepared for listeners seeking the highlights, memorable quotes, and energetic banter from this wild hour of womanhood and real talk.

Transcript

[Kale]

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[Becky]

Is there something wrong with you?

[Kale]

The meds that are designed for people like me have not been discovered yet.

[Becky]

She's a hat girly today.

[Kale]

It looks cute today. Oh, thank you.

[Becky]

Anyway, good morning, good evening, good day, good night to Karoo and Karoo only.

[Kale]

What is on your shirt.

[Becky]

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[Kale]

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[Becky]

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[Kale]

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[Becky]

Oh, you could probably like killer vibes. Another great idea. Are you sick at all?

[Kale]

Yeah, I am. I've been taking Dayquil for the past three days. And it's making me piss out my ass. So if anyone is wanting to take dayquil, just be warned. This is your warning. Because I did not have a warning that I would be pissing out my ass.

[Becky]

I think that's a you problem. I think you got me sick.

[Kale]

What?

[Becky]

It's your fault because I wouldn't have been anyway. Happy Tuesday, everyone.

[Kale]

Happy Tuesday. Every today's. Well, when you're listening, it's Tuesday. Today is Friday. I am actually picking up my little critter crap from school early today because his eczema is so bad right now. Like, it's so, so bad. Like, the poor thing is just in pain all the time.

[Becky]

Yeah, Eczema always makes me really nervous because I don't know if you remember, I had someone on for the haters who had topical steroid withdrawal from eczema. And then, like, the medicine that was given to her during eczema made, like, her go through topical steroid withdrawal, and, like, it's, like, terrifying that side of things.

[Kale]

Well, so I. Everything that I've learned about eczema is that it's actually like, a gut problem. It's like a gut issue to, you know, dairy or gluten or whatever. Like, it's a gut. It's a gut thing.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

You do with small children that don't eat, that are so, so, so picky. What do you do?

[Becky]

Yeah, it's just hard because you would have to change everyone what they ate, not just him, because, like, you couldn't just give, like, one man him out, you know?

[Kale]

Exactly. And then it's like, I'm like, okay, well, I'll do it with you. And I. I started to say, oh, you know, like, you really shouldn't have dairy. Like, let's start cutting out dairy. And it sounds good until we need to run in somewhere because I have a hundred places to be, and we have sports seven days a week, and I need to run a Wawa, and they want a bacon, egg, and cheese. And it's like, it sounds good, but it's really hard. So he. I'm gonna go see. But I did notice, and I don't know if anyone that's listening to this even cares, but maybe they struggle with eczema, too, or their kid does. I started putting. The dermatologist had said to put. Because I've taken him to a dermatologist and an allergist for the eczema because the eczema is an allergy. They said to put on this hydrocortisone 2.5 in my opinion, it's getting worse with that because there's alcohol in it.

[Becky]

Yeah. It dries the skin.

[Kale]

Did I send you the pictures of him?

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

I'm going to ask for something. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe it would be worth exploring a nutritionist. Like how nutritionist help hide alternatives or other things in like a healthier option. I don't know.

[Becky]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like eczema is so unpredictable that like it makes me feel so sad for him.

[Kale]

Yeah. Because he was like, the medicine burns, Mom.

[Becky]

I'm like, oh, I would die. I'm not prepared to be a parent.

[Kale]

Well, a little late for that. I also would like to tell you, speaking of unhealthy food and being picky, I did just eat a double cheeseburger ad Mac sauce. And I was preparing for when we see each other and we eat our whoppers. So I was practicing. If I gain any weight in the making of this process, I just want you guys to know that I will be billing Becky for my emotional and weight gain damages.

[Becky]

You should be billing yourself because the reason you're doing it is to get out of reading Fourth wing instead of just reading it.

[Kale]

No, I'm going to listen to it.

[Becky]

Yeah. Speaking of books, I started Verity. I'm reading the second book in the Crescent City series. But I always feel comfortable enough to read two books at a time when they're just completely different kinds of like genres and topics and books. And it was funny because I posted it. The only reason I'm reading it is because Leah wants me to read it.

[Kale]

You have so sick and twisted. I wish I could read it again for the first time.

[Becky]

That's what every. Like, I got so many messages that are like, you are not prepared. You need to do a debrief after. Like, we need to know your thoughts. I will say. And I. I don't want to cause any riff raff. The writing in this book is already 10 times better and has me like hooked more. And I've only read three chapters of it than the Housemaid.

[Kale]

Interesting. Okay, well, I think you should come on book club and we can discuss Verity.

[Becky]

Okay. When I'm done. It's only a five hour audiobook.

[Kale]

Are you serious?

[Becky]

Maybe I listen to it at higher speed. Maybe that's why. But like.

[Kale]

Yeah, yeah, no, that's for sure why.

[Becky]

But like my. I listen to my fantasy books at a. A higher speed and they're like 35 hour audiobooks.

[Kale]

I don't even. I haven't gotten through one single book this month because I'm struggling. But I would also like to just let you know that Creed has his first big boy indoor soccer soccer game tonight.

[Becky]

Ooh, I wish I could be there.

[Kale]

I will be sending you a video. Excited for that. Last night we went to Lincoln's game. They all. Lux, Creed, and Lincoln all play in the same facility on different days. And last night was Lincoln's, and I took Creed with. And he was like, I just want to play today. And I'm like, I know. Like, it would be so easy. It's so much easier for me, too, if he also was on one of his brother's teams. But, yeah, I'm excited to see him play.

[Becky]

This is going to be such a random thing that comes out of my mouth. But you had mentioned bacon, egg, and cheese, and that just triggered a memory of me of Lincoln ordering a bacon, egg, and cheese without bacon. It was. Oh, without cheese.

[Kale]

Lactose intolerant.

[Becky]

Oh, yeah, yeah, without cheese. And I was like, okay. Like, just so. Just bacon and egg. And he's like, yeah. I was like, okay. And it was just like how he ordered it. He's like, can I have a bacon, egg and cheese?

[Kale]

Can I have a cheeseburger? Just plain. And you're like, yeah. So a plain cheeseburger or a hamburger?

[Becky]

Yeah, that's. Yeah. Same, same things.

[Kale]

Different.

[Becky]

Whatever the saying is, I am at. This house is beautiful. There's houses. Like, are you. I'm at an Airbnb.

[Kale]

Where?

[Becky]

In Pittstown. It's in New Jersey. It's like 120.

[Kale]

I didn't know you were going out of town. What are you doing?

[Becky]

I'm with. It's Leah's friends weekend.

[Kale]

Oh, it's. Oh, I didn't realize that was today.

[Becky]

Yeah, well, we came last night.

[Kale]

Oh, fun, fun, fun. Okay.

[Becky]

The house is gorgeous. It has 10 bedrooms, I think, or nine bedrooms. And it has a pool house with two bedrooms in it. And, like, the pool's really nice. There's like. It's. It's really. It's. I want to come back in the summer because the property is really nice, and so it could be outside, but it was really cute. So this morning, obviously, Bex is going through a sleep regression that has not changed. And so he woke up at like 6, 6:30 after being just up. And I let Leah sleep. So I took him downstairs. There's two other babies here. And so one by one, they came downstairs too. And Bex has so much FOMO because the two other babies can crawl. They're seven and eight months and like and they can crawl and so Bex is like trying to get like to them and he rolled for the first time this morning but I think it's because he had so much fomo. He was like trying to get towards them and he did it twice and I came upstairs to bring him to eat and nap after and I was like, Leah, like Beck's rolled and she was like, why did you tell me that? I missed it because I wanted to sleep.

[Kale]

Oh no. The mom.

[Becky]

Yeah. Oh crazy. It's why it's like it makes me seeing Bex with the other babies. It makes me excited to have like more kids so that you get it so you could like see see them together.

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[Becky]

I have an interesting thing to bring up. If you, if your mom gave birth to you and you did, like, she didn't know who the. Who the father was for sure. Like, no father on the birth certificate. Could you live your entire life without like, doing a DNA test to like, try to.

[Kale]

And I have. I've talked to people like this throughout my life because of my own situation.

[Ali Jackson]

Yeah.

[Kale]

I was asking about my dad as soon as I found out that I didn't, like, I realized a little bit different than some of my friends because. But I'm just a naturally nosy person. So like, no, I could not.

[Becky]

There's someone here that like, doesn't know, like, has never wanted to, has like, no interest. Yeah.

[Kale]

It's always so interesting to me. But I feel like, and this is a generalization, so don't get mad at me for saying this, but I think it's the people that typically have fairly good childhoods and have a life that don't question, you know, if my mom had been sober my whole life and like, was, you know, a good mom and a good person, I might not care to know who have known who my dad was because I had a good life.

[Becky]

Yeah. My thing, I guess, like, my mind goes to, like, what if they, like, they want it if they knew you were alive? Like, they would have been. They wanted to be involved in your life. Like, you don't, like, you kind of take that opportunity away from them, but like, you risk that. And then. Because when my dad died or. Yeah, I think it was when my dad died or when I was. I don't, I don't know what the conversation brought up, but we were talking about, like, what if all of a sudden, because I've done 23andMe and all the ancestry and all the things like, what if we found a half sibling that we didn't know of? And I was like, that would be so exciting. Like, regardless of like, what the circumstances were, like, how fun would it be to find like a sibling you didn't know about?

[Kale]

So how do you feel? Like, what if a woman wanted to have a baby, gets pregnant on purpose and then doesn't tell the biological father?

[Becky]

I. I think that's up.

[Kale]

I do too like them of the opportunity.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Cuz like, I don't know, being a parent can be so fun and like, what if that person. But also people can be really shitty.

[Kale]

Yeah. That's so interesting.

[Becky]

I just thought it was so interesting. I was like, oh, I've, like, never really met anyone that wouldn't want to know.

[Kale]

I had a friend in high school, similar situation to mine. Mom was an addict. Mom, not a great parent, but didn't know who the biological father was. And she. She had no desire. Even though her mom was an addict, she still had a really good relationship with her mom, and she never cared to know who her biological father was.

[Becky]

I. I don't know. It's just like. I think of just like, siblings and stuff and like, family and I guess to each their own. I was wondering if you have seen all of the. The Louvre robbery stuff.

[Kale]

The what?

[Becky]

The Louvre got robbed.

[Kale]

The Louvre? What is that?

[Becky]

The. In Paris.

[Kale]

I don't know what that is.

[Becky]

Where the Mona Lisa is.

[Kale]

What the. Is that a museum?

[Becky]

Yes, it's the Louvre.

[Kale]

Why would I know what that is?

[Becky]

I think it's common knowledge.

[Kale]

No, nobody knows what that is.

[Becky]

Okay, Everyone knows what it is.

[Kale]

First of all, the Mona Lisa.

[Becky]

I don't know.

[Kale]

Okay, then.

[Becky]

Anyway, the. Lou got robbed. There was a heist to me.

[Kale]

A heist.

[Becky]

Ooh.

[Kale]

What is this? Black Panther.

[Becky]

It. It's so cool. Yeah, like, these guys got away with it. Like, they didn't get caught.

[Kale]

Are they arrested? No, I love them. I love this for them.

[Becky]

No one got hurt. They robbed, they stole. Like, I. Let me see how much money, because it was all jewelry. They stole. Like, it's like.

[Kale]

Did they steal Mona Lisa? No, I live under a rock.

[Becky]

Where else do we get our information?

[Kale]

Because why wasn't I invited?

[Becky]

It was an estimated 88 million euros. So 102 million of in lost jewels.

[Kale]

Okay, but can I ask a very controversial question?

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Who cares? Like, I'm on the same.

[Becky]

Yeah, like.

[Kale]

Like, what does this mean? Like, okay, like, I get it. Ancient artifacts, right? But, like, rest a part of history.

[Becky]

All the things. I was saying this down. I was. I was talking to everyone here about it. I was like, you know, these people, probably whoever created these things and owned them, they probably owned slaves. They probably killed people. Like, who the fuck cares about this? Like, I think it's so cool.

[Kale]

It's giving Black Panther and Michael B. Jordan.

[Ali Jackson]

Yeah.

[Kale]

To the woman in the museum that these were stolen.

[Becky]

They, like, went up a lift like, they're in broad daylight. They, like, went up a lift on the side of the building, acting like workers. They did it all in minutes. They got in.

[Kale]

It sounds like Homeland Security should hire them, to be perfectly honest. For real.

[Becky]

Like, I wonder. But like. And like, the people are like, oh, like those, those items are gone forever. Because right when they leave, they broke them apart, melted them down, like, took everything. That's crazy.

[Kale]

Okay, that part is like, why are you doing all that? You know, you have to.

[Becky]

You can't just sell a piece of jewelry like that.

[Kale]

Yeah, but I just feel like that was like an opportunity for ransom money and that they could have just like to get caught. I mean, what would I guess, like, to me, because we're gonna get canceled after this. Like, for sure. Which is fine. Like, if this is why I get canceled, like, so be it. But I. My whole thing is like, cool, you did that. You got away with it. But like, maybe now put the stuff back because we know that you did it. We know that you were capable. But like, now you ruined the artifacts.

[Becky]

There should be like a, A return like system where it's like if you get away with a robbery with people without people getting hurt and nobody died, no one, no one's in danger. Like a clean robbery. If you return it, you'll get the money back without destroying the things.

[Kale]

Well, it's. Yeah, it's like, like a year later.

[Becky]

Like, you have to hold on to it for a year. There's a trend. There's a trend on TikTok of people dressing up like them with like the jewels on and stuff. And like, I am.

[Kale]

I want to know what the Lord. Like, you need to send these to me because it's so interesting that I have like these feelings about, like, who cares? And that might be controversial, but then I, I believe the archaeologist just located Cleopatra's hidden tomb underwater in fucking Mesopotamia or whatever the Mesopotamia. And I'm like, the comments are so upsetting. Like, obviously she didn't want it to be discovered and leave it alone and rest in peace, blah, blah, blah. Like, that's kind of fascinating.

[Becky]

We don't use our history to learn from anyway.

[Kale]

We don't. We just do it just to say we did it. Yeah, like, we're going straight to hell regardless.

[Becky]

Yeah, like, we're. We're going backwards right now anyway. But it's funny because, like, people, the people are like, on tick tock, it's like the real robbers could have done the tick tock and like, we wouldn't know. They're just like in the mix, in the mix of everything.

[Kale]

When murderers go back to the crime scene and like, insert themselves in the investigation.

[Becky]

I tried to, like, solve it.

[Kale]

Making tick tocks of themselves. That's kind of genius.

[Becky]

Did you. Speaking of murder, did you see. Did you watch the Perfect Neighbor or whatever?

[Kale]

Almost done with it. I have 26 minutes left. What the. How did she.

[Becky]

Why did she call herself a doctor?

[Kale]

Because she probably has her doctorate in business or something weird. You wanted to kill someone. You did that. You wanted to have the opportunity and the situation to do this. Like, you did that on purpose. My gut is telling me that this woman Susan is gonna get away with it. Is it fault? Does it fall under the self defense laws? That's, like, really upsetting. And I don't understand, like, you're. We're talking about children.

[Becky]

Yeah, it's all just like I. Becoming a parent opens up doors to just, like, the most terrifying things and being scared of everything. I was in here last night with Bex, putting him to bed, and they were all downstairs. And I. I also have PTSD because I was held up by a gun. So, like, I think of all worst, like, case situations, and I was sitting up here putting him to sleep, and I was like, okay, what am I going to do if I hear gunshots downstairs? And, like, if someone like. Like, I'm gonna call 91 1, but do I, like, leave the door open so they can just look in here and think that there's no one in here and I'll just, like, lay behind the bed? Do you do that?

[Kale]

Not about the gunshot situation, but sometimes. Like the other day I was strolling the kids up to Elijah's house in their wagon, and I'm like, all right, off to daddy's house we go. And Rio got under the seat in the wagon.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Like, boo, I see you. And I was like, wow, that's a really good hiding spot, Rio. Like. And then I thought, okay, if there was an intruder, I would tell Rio to go here, climb under there. Like, that's where my mind goes. But I don't think. Oh, if there was gunshot.

[Becky]

Yeah. Love that.

[Kale]

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[Becky]

I saw a TikTok the other day and it was this guy. This is. This is the. This is me in a nutshell. It was this guy who called his best, his. One of his friends and said, hey, do you want to come over and drink some beers and work on my house with me? And the guy goes, yeah, I do. All I could think of is, wow, I wish someone called me. That is, do you want to come over and drink some beers and work on my house with me? You're like, yeah, that is my love language.

[Kale]

I love that for you. I don't want to work on anything. I don't want to do manual labor.

[Becky]

I know.

[Kale]

And it's like, because, like, I would watch you, like, if you're like, if I'm like, hey, Becky, do you want to come over to my house and, like, do this and I'll get you some beer? It's like, I'm going to watch you do it, but I'm not going to work on it with you.

[Becky]

Dan. You know my friend Dan, his love language is like people seeing him in. In action. So, like, when he's on his excavator, like, doing stuff. And I love watching him do, like, be in his element too.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Becky]

I really miss being in my 20s sometimes, you know?

[Kale]

Yeah. I just, like, a woman on tick tock was 52 with dementia. So I'm scared.

[Becky]

Oh. You know, that I think I try not to think about it too much. My dad got genetically tested and his, like, conditions weren't genetic, which gives you some hope, but, like, still doesn't give you, like, you're not. You're just as susceptible as everyone else. Yeah. I don't like to think about it too much because I'm like, what would I do? And then I'm like, I'd probably move into. I tell Leo all the time, like, I would move into, like a nursing home right away just so that I would get comfortable there. It would be. That would be my routine so that when it got worse, it didn't screw up, like, everything she could come with. But, like, I feel like I want to live in a, you know, nursing home anyway when I'm older. So, like, the ones that have, like, happy hour every day and all those things.

[Kale]

Not me. I'm also worried that I'll get dementia before I destroy my electronics. So that is my biggest fear right now.

[Becky]

You have so many electronics to get into, you think that someone's going to be able to get into all of them?

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Becky]

What would they look for? What would be of value when you're dead?

[Kale]

Screenshots? Receipts.

[Becky]

Of what? You're dead. It doesn't matter.

[Kale]

That's a great question, but that's my irrational fear.

[Becky]

Yeah. Maybe put your fear somewhere else.

[Kale]

Well, it's just like the fear of someone knowing me in such an intimate way.

[Becky]

When I'm dead, no one's gonna care.

[Kale]

Someone goes through my phone and they see something they don't like, I can't fix it for them because I'm dead. And that is the last memory that they have of me is a memory that can't be fixed, that I can't correct, that I can't set the record straight, that I can't. And now you have this awful view of me, and I'm dead.

[Becky]

You're just gonna have to come back and bop in and just be like, guys, I told you not to do this.

[Kale]

It sounded like you just said Mbappe. And I just want to tell you that my children were watching soccer highlights at 7 this morning. Okay? Are you listening to me? The first thing they do when they open their eyeballs is turn on sports.

[Becky]

It could be worse.

[Kale]

It could be worse. And I'm glad that it is not worse. And I'm thankful that that's what my kids are doing. But it's just so funny to me because I'm like, I've had. I have six boys, and I'm still trying to figure out what the worst, like, what. What the rules are. Okay? Like, I don't. I. I need a playbook.

[Becky]

Oh, wait. So glad that you brought this up. It was so funny when. When we went to the Flyers game, you said something, and Kristen and I both just, like, slow turned to you because you yelled something to them on the ice, and we just, like, slow turned to you, like, what the. Are you even saying you should bring.

[Kale]

Up the time if you're gonna have.

[Becky]

Kids that play these sports?

[Kale]

No, because. No, don't listen to Becky, because I'm telling you right now, I said it to Lincoln because Lincoln made a comment last night. He's like, mom, you yell stuff to me, and it's not right. And I'm like, but am I there? Am I There. And he's like, yeah, you're always there. So that alone, validated. I don't give a. If I'm yelling stupid. Like, I don't know what man to man is. I don't know what zone is. I don't know any of that. Okay, but you know that I'm. I'm present. I am there every time I am sat.

[Becky]

I will never forget when you yelled, lincoln's open. And it, like, made zero sense, but he was. He was.

[Kale]

I cannot understand why if there is a play, like, say the coach is like, we're going to run. Fucking Red Sox play. Okay, cool. That's the name of the play. The play went to shit in the first 30 seconds. Now Lincoln's wide open. Pass the shit to Lincoln. The play didn't work out. The play did not work out. So pivot. Explain. Explain it to me. Tell me right now why.

[Becky]

I already explained this to you. He was open. He was not in a scoring position, like, getting. No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't.

[Kale]

He could make the basket.

[Becky]

Oh, my gosh. I can't even. I can't even. I don't even know. I don't even know what kind of parent I'm gonna be if my kid plays sports. Am I gonna be, like, the quiet one that, like, I don't know.

[Kale]

Well, I sat next to grandparents next to me at Lincoln's game last night, and the grandpa was, like, coaching his granddaughter from the bleachers. And he was really cool, calm, and collected about it. I was really impressed with his coaching.

[Becky]

Honestly, I think that maybe that's the kind of parent I'll be where it's, like, whispering like, hey, like, the right side is always open because blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Kale]

Like, look for the push forward, like, being. Yeah. And she was not aggressive by any means. Like, say she was one of the stronger players. But, like, it was really cool to hear his directions and, like, his.

[Becky]

This is my point. Like, if you just learn the sport, the things you yell might be of value.

[Kale]

No, because when I die, I want my kids to say at my funeral, like, mom never knew the plays, but she was always there. Like, that is part of my.

[Becky]

I mean, that's cute, but would drive me crazy if you were my mom.

[Kale]

But it's fine. You're right.

[Becky]

You know, I'm giving. You know, you're right. It is fine.

[Kale]

That don't show up at all. So not. They not show up. They definitely don't know the place when you.

[Becky]

When you say it the way that you're saying it. You're not wrong.

[Kale]

I'm not.

[Becky]

You're not.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Becky]

But at some point, I'll learn them.

[Kale]

I am learning because I did learn the difference between a pick six and an interception. I also know what. What?

[Becky]

Keep going. Yeah, I know.

[Kale]

Well, I just learned it, and you're rolling your eyes, so I am learning.

[Becky]

Because those aren't the sports that, like, you should be. And keep going for football.

[Kale]

The kids just had flag football.

[Becky]

I know, but keep going.

[Kale]

And I Learned what an and one is. Finally.

[Becky]

M1.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Becky]

Yelling that from the stands, that's, like, a really good, like, hype. Like, AM1, you know?

[Kale]

Yeah, but they're not very frequent.

[Becky]

I mean, once he gets older on Tuesday, at his age of play, it's. You're right. It's not that frequent because you don't have people like that, like. Yeah, but they get more. It's not that it's frequent. You yell it frequently to, like, try to encourage the ref to call a foul. And one ref.

[Kale]

Wait, but I thought an anon was when you make it and get fouled at the same time.

[Becky]

I. Yeah. So, like, people say it if. Even if the ref doesn't call it because, like, they should have called a foul. So, like, if I'm driving to the leg and I'm like. And I get fouled but the ref doesn't call it, someone might Yell, like, that's AM1.

[Kale]

You know, if I had a time machine and I could go back in time, I would play basketball.

[Becky]

You probably would have been okay at basketball.

[Kale]

I begged Susie. Begged her to play basketball.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kale]

Susie was not gonna skip happy hour to take me to basketball practice. So that never happened. I never got to play basketball.

[Becky]

It's really sad.

[Kale]

She was like, tick Tock says Happy hour from 4 to 6, you cannot make it to basketball practice. And then she wondered why I was overweight.

[Becky]

Do you think that she knows your dad died?

[Kale]

No. Should we call her? Let me ask Kristen for a phone. Should I call her on this episode? I'm gonna get the phone number. You're gonna literally call her right now.

[Becky]

You're gonna.

[Kale]

I'm asking Kristen for her phone number. She found it. Hello? Hey, hon. Could you. Could you text me Susie's phone number, please? Oh, boy. Yeah, let me find it. Okay. Thank you so much. All right. Okay. Love you. Bye. Stay tuned.

[Becky]

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[Kale]

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[Becky]

Speaking about dead people and Maryland, we never talked about that screenshot that I sent you, and I hesitate to bring it up because I don't want.

[Kale]

I don't know.

[Becky]

Anyway, so someone had commented on what.

[Kale]

What screenshot are we referring to?

[Becky]

You'll pick up when I continue to talk. Someone commented on one of my photos, like, oh, my God, like, family's so cute. So happy to see this. Blah, blah, blah. Hope you remember me. Or like, do you remember me? And, like, I went to the woman's profile and I was like, why?

[Kale]

I.

[Becky]

Like, I remember this woman. How can I not? I can't put two and two together. Like, it's not. Something's not clicking and it was bugging me. So I finally said, I'm so sorry. Like, can you refresh? Like, can you jog my memory? Or something like that. She was like, oh, I'm like, Kimberly's stepmom.

[Kale]

Your ex girlfriend's stepmom.

[Becky]

Yeah. And like, something about, like, duh, like, her dad. And I was like, oh, hope you guys are doing well. Commented back, oh, he died four years ago. And it's not funny because, like, I'm just laughing because of the situation that I was put in because, like, I didn't. I didn't know he died. Like, I didn't know, like, all of that happened. And it was just like a. Oh, like, I just said, hope you guys are doing well. And she was like, well, he died four years ago. And I was like, oh, my God. Anyhow, I did order. This is going to come out later, so it's not even going to matter, but for that kid's birthday party that I'm going to on Sunday, I. It's a Halloween party.

[Kale]

Cute.

[Becky]

And I forgot, so I ordered Beck's a costume today for it, and I got him a little astronaut costume.

[Kale]

That's cute. Oh, that's really cute.

[Becky]

Yeah. He's gonna look so cute in it. Yeah. Let me just show you a picture. It's so. It's so cute.

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[Becky]

Look it.

[Kale]

Oh, that's so cute.

[Becky]

Oh, he's gonna be so freaking cute. My guy, he's getting so big, I can't even handle it.

[Kale]

Look at this. Like, he works a 9 to 5. Look at him, baby. Oh.

[Becky]

I. When I Was downstairs before I came up to order. To order to record this podcast with you, I asked the crowd for a couple questions. Number one was, should you ever wake a sleeping baby?

[Kale]

Yes.

[Becky]

That's what one of them agreed with you. I said no, because we've never been in a situation where Beck sleeps long enough. But I guess their baby takes, like, really long naps and they don't want him to take more than two hour naps. And I was like, what? What are you doing? What is he drinking?

[Kale]

No, that I feel the same way. Because then they won't sleep at night. Like, the longest nap needs to be the one in the middle of the day, not the. At the end of the day. And then also sometimes you got to wake them up because you got to leave the house. Like, you don't have a choice. Especially when you have other kids. Yeah. Have, like, routines and schedules and you have to be somewhere. You have to wake them up.

[Becky]

Becks does transfer well to, like, his car seat sleeping. So. Yeah. Question number two is, do you share towels with your partner? I don't know why? This was a tassels, like a shower. Like, shower towels.

[Kale]

Like, if they used it, would I use it after they used it? I would. I don't. But I, like, I wouldn't be grossed out to do it because, like, if they showered and then they're clean and then they use it and then I need a towel, I would hope they were clean when they came out of the shower.

[Becky]

I literally don't give a. I know you don't.

[Kale]

I. I also get grossed out by certain people. So, like, I would not use it after certain people.

[Becky]

I literally couldn't care less where anything came from. I, like, sometimes I get out of the shower and I'm like, I forgot a towel and I'll use the T shirt I was in to just, like, drop myself off.

[Kale]

Okay. Lincoln and Lungs.

[Becky]

Do you ever share a toothbrush?

[Kale]

We just talked about this. My ex husband used to use my toothbrush, and I did not find out until, like, months later.

[Becky]

I, Lee, and I will share a toothbrush on vacation. Like, we don't actively share one at home.

[Kale]

Yeah, right. Like, why are you gonna share one at home?

[Becky]

Sometimes I use hers at home, though. I don't tell.

[Kale]

My kids have definitely used my toothbrush. Yeah.

[Becky]

It's not like I would use anyone's toothbrush if I knew them. I literally do not give a.

[Kale]

People are gonna rip you to shreds.

[Becky]

I don't care.

[Kale]

You know, you can, you can. This is gonna Sound crazy, but you can. You can transfer cavities.

[Becky]

My mouth is full of cavities. That's probably why I've weak teeth like you.

[Kale]

The bacteria that causes cavities, you can give that to somebody.

[Becky]

Interesting. Yeah, I won't go around sharing people's toothbrushes.

[Kale]

Then I'm crying.

[Becky]

Or me, you say I'm crying.

[Kale]

If you put your mouth on my body parts, like you put your mouth in my genitals and where I pee, then you can share my toothbrush.

[Becky]

Okay. What if your partner has nasty ass teeth?

[Kale]

Oh, I'm not going to be with someone that has nasty teeth. Look at. Look at the lineup. There's. I mean, there's some questionable choices, but none of them have bad teeth.

[Becky]

Yeah, that's true. Oh, I forgot. Did I show you this new necklace I got?

[Kale]

Yeah. In real life. You showed me.

[Becky]

Oh, that's.

[Kale]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Anyway, okay, last question is, if you want a room to be colder, do you turn the AC up or down?

[Kale]

Like, AC down.

[Becky]

They all said. Well, half of them, they were like, oh, like, you'll turn it up. Like, turn the AC up, but like, in reality, you're turning it down. But like they say, turn it up. No, I say turn it down.

[Kale]

Now that I think turn it down. Turn the heat up and turn the AC down.

[Becky]

Turn the heat up, turn the acf. I don't even know why those were questions. I put them, really put them on the spot, you know?

[Kale]

Hello? I know, but every time I try to call you, I have recordings. So I'm in a recording right now.

[Becky]

Who the Is that?

[Kale]

Say hi. Hold on. Say hi to Becky. You're getting blocked.

[Becky]

Hello?

[Kale]

Hey, Becky, tell this she's getting blocked.

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[Kale]

When I leave. I'll call you when I leave. Yes, I will. No, wait.

[Becky]

I have a question for him.

[Kale]

Okay, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Becky]

Matt, with you all the working out that you're doing and taking care of your body and your health, does it make you faster when you're barrel racing?

[Kale]

I mean, yeah, like, if you're stronger and stuff, like, you're not. You're not as behind with the horse. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like. I was like, watching your stuff. I was like, oh, I wonder if his health journey has helped him in barrel racing.

[Kale]

Do not listen. She's. I'm going barrel racing, so I need to lose a couple pounds as well.

[Becky]

Girl, never mind.

[Kale]

Call me back, okay? I got to tell you. Okay. Okay, Deal. Deal. Okay, just give me 30 minutes. Okay? Love you. Goodbye. I was supposed to call him yesterday.

[Becky]

Because I got to tell you tell you.

[Kale]

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[Becky]

Let'S get into is it karma or is it chaos?

[Kale]

Do you want to read it or you want me to read it?

[Becky]

You read it.

[Kale]

I'm gonna soak up the sun. I'm gonna tell it everyone 2 All right.

[Becky]

Is that the lyrics?

[Kale]

Yep. Okay, so I've been Married for almost two years and have a 14 month old. Before I even met my now husband, I was sleeping with a co worker. After hooking up one or two times, I found out he was married. We continued hooking up because the feelings were already there. He was unhappy and said he was going to leave his wife. He ended up passing away and I met my husband shortly after that. Fast forward two days before I found out my husband was cheating on me. He said he Was doing it to make him feel. He said he was doing it to make himself feel better and he was sorry. Fast forward to now. There were multiple times he's texted females, watched porn, and liked and followed females. The most recent time, he messaged a female on TikTok that he doesn't know that I know, and I'm over it. I'm ready to sign divorce papers. I deserve better. Is this karma or is this chaos? P. S. Love you guys. Your most recent recording have made me feel less alone.

[Becky]

Oh, well, I'm glad you feel less alone, But I'm sorry to tell you that this does sound like a little bit of karma.

[Kale]

Wait, why is it karma?

[Becky]

Because she was sleeping with a married man.

[Kale]

Oh. But I still like her.

[Becky]

I do still like her too.

[Kale]

Yeah, I still like.

[Becky]

I also like. I guess.

[Kale]

And also, she did not know. Like, here's the thing. Life is, she didn't know.

[Becky]

But after she found out, she continued.

[Kale]

Like, what do you do when feelings are already invested?

[Becky]

I get it.

[Kale]

Like, that is the gray area is, like, you did not know. It's the same thing with me and my ex. I had no idea until I was pregnant that you had two other girlfriends. Like, what. How is that? Like, what am I supposed to do at that point?

[Becky]

Yeah, I know. I get it.

[Kale]

As the other two.

[Becky]

It's still a little bit of karma, though.

[Kale]

It is. But, like, can you just turn your. Like, if you were so in love with someone.

[Becky]

Yeah. I'm not saying I'm above it. Like, I would do it too, if I fell in love with someone. I would hook up with someone that was married.

[Kale]

Because I think you have to look at the intent.

[Becky]

Like, yeah, Like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying it from a righteous place, but, like, I would have karma too, if I like, you know, But I do. There's a parts of this message I just want to peel apart a little bit. I want to peel back some layers.

[Kale]

She.

[Becky]

She said something about him watching porn, liking and following females. I don't find that to be cheating.

[Kale]

I do. If it's cheating in certain relationships, like, you have to know your partner, and I think that's a conversation. If it was my relationship and he's watching porn, personally, I don't give a fudge. But if you're in a relationship where that was something that you guys agreed was not allowed in your relationship. Like, we've talked about coffee combos. Lindsay does not allow porn in her relationships. She doesn't allow masturbation. In her relationships. That's really.

[Becky]

Why.

[Kale]

I don't really remember, but she. I think may. Don't quote me on this. And like, our listeners will tell us, but I think it's like partially like a religious thing. You're not supposed to do that. And then also it just feels like a violation of, like, if you want to jerk off, why don't you just me kind of deal.

[Becky]

Interesting. Heterose, you know, following.

[Kale]

I don't think that's a hetero thing.

[Becky]

Telling someone they can't masturbate, I think is hetero.

[Kale]

I know of a girl who would bust in on her husband's showers regularly and pull the curtain back to make sure he wasn't jerking off on a regular basis.

[Becky]

Coded. But you think like, you think that like liking girls pictures and fall. I. I get messaging girls. Like random girls.

[Kale]

Yeah, but like following on the relationship. I think for me, I don't. I don't care. I think if you're excessively liking naked women on social media, it's a red flag. I don't know that it's cheating, but also it's the relationship.

[Ali Jackson]

Yeah.

[Kale]

It really just depends what the conversations are. Yeah.

[Becky]

Well, sorry, girly. I think this is a little karma. I'm sorry that he died. That sucks. But if you're not happy in your marriage, leave him.

[Kale]

Yeah, it's easier said than done.

[Becky]

Leave him. Because all roads lead to happiness.

[Kale]

What?

[Becky]

I don't know.

[Kale]

Are you okay?

[Becky]

I don't know. Am I okay? We'll never know.

[Kale]

Okay.

[Becky]

But that's all she wrote, folks. Thanks for joining us. Kale, tell them where they can find you.

[Kale]

You can find [e-mail].

[Becky]

And you can find me at hater25. And for the haters, that was quickest.

[Kale]

The hour of my life.

[Becky]

It was a quick hour.

[Kale]

See ya.

[Becky]

Love ya.

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