When Love, Parenting & Pressure Collide

Summary

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Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter

Episode: "When Love, Parenting & Pressure Collide"

Release Date: May 5, 2026
Hosts: Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter

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Episode Overview

In this candid and energetic episode, Kail and Becky reunite to dive into the realities of life as women in their 30s—balancing family, friendships, ambition, and identity in the face of both “karma” and “chaos.” The conversation weaves through parenting victories and struggles, relationship pressures, evolving pop culture, and the challenges of modern adulthood. Using their signature blend of authenticity and humor, the hosts reflect on vulnerability, the importance of empathy, and the messiness of growing up—together and apart.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up, Parenting Highs and Lows

[03:01 – 07:47]

• Spanish Immersion Night: Kail talks about her kids attending a bilingual school and beams with pride about their performances. Creed, her youngest, shines on stage, while Lux impresses with hidden dance moves.
  • “Creed was so excited to get on that stage…this was his time to shine.” — Kail [03:45]
• Siblings & Confidence: Discussion on helping kids build confidence–Kail notes Creed’s aversion to losing and the challenge of teaching resilience at a young age.
  • “He will stop in the middle of something if he knows he's gonna lose. I just wish he would push through.” — Kail [06:34]
• Tough Love Parenting: Funny story about the boys staging a “fight club” at home and handling the aftermath (“That's parenting.” – Becky, [06:23]).

2. Pushing Yourself & Growth

[07:12 – 08:04]

• Becky shares her own experience in sports, noting how competition can fuel improvement:
  • “When I went to D2, I got so—I didn’t know it was possible to get that much better just by practicing with better players.” — Becky [07:32]
• Kail reaffirms letting her son play on older teams, prioritizing challenge over comfort.
• The theme: Sometimes discomfort leads to greater growth—for both kids and adults.

3. Sports, Emotions, and Modeling Vulnerability

[08:06 – 10:35]

• Brief discussion about the NFL draft, emotions in sports, and breaking stereotypes (“men can have feelings”).
  • “Seeing some of them cry...made me feel good. It humanized them.” — Kail [09:37]
• Importance of letting boys know it's okay to express feelings.

4. Modern Adulthood: Health Trends & Real Talk

[11:48 – 15:37]

• Becky discusses friends’ use of GLP-1 medications and the evolution of wellness trends. The hosts switch gears to stress management, routines, adjusting to busy adulthood, and maintaining emotional well-being amid relentless schedules.

5. Relationship Pressures After Kids & Internet Commentary

[16:44 – 22:50]

• Becky’s transparency: She shares difficulty with relationship changes after becoming parents, the pressures, and why more people don’t talk about resenting the loss of the old partnership dynamic.
  • “I can’t believe more people don’t get divorced after having a kid…having a kid brings a lot of discomfort and makes things change.” — Becky [17:56]
• Social media backlash: Becky recounts criticism she received for saying she “would always choose Leah” (her wife) over her child if forced, arguing for empathy and acknowledging different lived experiences.
  • “Let’s not shame people for their feelings...this is why people suffer in silence.” — Becky [18:10]
• Kail validates the complexity of such choices, sharing her own history with unsupportive partners and why there’s “no one right answer.”
• Both emphasize the need for compassion and nuanced understanding in online.
  • “We have the ability to put ourselves in other perspectives...” — Kail [20:52]

6. Parenting Anxiety & Medical Journeys

[22:50 – 27:32]

• Becky shares anxiety over her child Bex’s head growth and the resulting medical checks—highlighting how scary parenting medical moments can be.
  • “Dealing with health issues with your children, it’s one of the heaviest things I’ve ever dealt with.” — Becky [23:42]
• Kail and Becky talk about seeking reassurance and the importance of medical access, especially in non-traditional families (knowing the donor, sharing health histories).

7. Family, Roots, and Belonging

[27:32 – 29:39]

• Becky reflects on the unique advantages of their chosen family structure—they can contact the donor for medical info, an option many others lack.
• Kail references generational gaps in family knowledge, then describes a recent trip to NYC, seeing family, and the rarity of those connections.

8. Friendship, Touring, & Business Realities

[29:41 – 32:49]

• Becky lists upcoming tour stops for listeners and the role of community support in success.
• Kail’s humorous frustration at live-streaming for ticket sales, only to realize Becky’s group chat boosted them instead.

9. Book Talk, Pop Culture & Open-Mindedness

[32:49 – 36:26]

• Kail shares an impromptu book recommendation from a fan (Catabasis), leading to a laugh-filled exchange.
• The hosts pivot to discuss recent pop culture drama (Alex Cooper & Alex Earl), how perspective shapes online narratives, and Kail’s “love-hate” (and, admittedly, jealous) feelings toward these public figures.

10. Business Models & Podcasting Industry

[40:33 – 43:32]

• Kail and Becky discuss podcast networks’ payment structures, salary vs revenue share, and what makes partnerships sustainable.
  • “Our rev share is so much better...I want people to be happy and stay.” — Kail [42:09]
• Conversation touches on the need for education in emerging careers like social media management.

11. Empathy in Parenting: Feeding, Screen Time, & Judgment

[48:10 – 55:23]

• The hosts stress the importance of context and empathy regarding “hot-button” parenting topics like breastfeeding, formula, and screen time.
  • “If I could have breastfed all my children exclusively for a year, I would have. But breastfeeding can take an emotional and mental toll on the mom.” — Kail [50:30]
• Both advocate for “fed is best,” avoiding judgment, and considering systemic barriers parents face.
  • “There’s so much talk around that...but so much is about intention and what’s going on in someone’s life.” — Becky [49:12]

12. Curious Childhoods, Family Secrets, and Ancestry

[59:21 – 68:20]

• Becky shares a wild story about helping a cow give birth at the family dairy farm.
• They respond to a listener’s question about poking into family history, debating the right to seek out biological relatives when older generations kept secrets.
  • “I think people deserve answers if they want them, and if that upsets someone else—unfortunately, that’s just the way it goes.” — Kail [60:59]
• Discussion spans genealogy, intergenerational secrets, and whether kids are curious about “who their parents were” before they became parents.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kail, on emotional growth:
  “Going against the best makes you better...but it took me until being an adult to realize that.” [06:34]

• Becky, on empathy:
  “Let’s not shame people for their feelings. This is why people suffer in silence...” [18:10]

• Kail, on vulnerability:
  “Seeing some of them cry...made me feel good. It humanized them.” [09:37]

• Becky, on chosen family:
  “It was just like a reassuring moment—how we chose to build our family was such an incredible way to do it because we have access...” [27:08]

• On disagreement in relationships:
  “Everyone has different situations...for me, my love and purpose came from Leah first.” — Becky [19:39]

• On societal shifts:
  “We need to update the school system, add social media pathways...that is the new marketing.” — Kail [43:23]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:01 — Parenting updates: Spanish Immersion Night
• 04:57 — Teaching resilience to kids
• 08:06 — NFL Draft, emotions in sports, boys & crying
• 16:44 — Relationship changes after kids; prioritizing spouse vs. child
• 23:42 — Navigating child medical scares
• 29:41 — Tour announcements
• 34:06 — Pop culture: Alex Cooper/Alex Earl drama
• 40:33 — Podcasting business models
• 48:10 — Empathy in parenting: feeding methods, screen time debate
• 59:27 — Listener Q: Is it karma or chaos to find secret family members?
• 66:24 — Do kids care about their parents’ pasts?
• 68:28 — Wrap-up, upcoming LA recording

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Tone & Style

The episode delivers frank, often hilarious, but deeply empathetic conversation with a “real friend” vibe. Kail’s “unfiltered outlook” and Becky’s quick wit keep things grounded, but neither shies away from tough emotional territory, making the episode both comforting and compelling for listeners in similar life stages.

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For Listeners in a Hurry

Overall Themes:

• Parenting is a chaos of love, competition, and constant adaptation
• Relationships after children require work, vulnerability, and stronger communication
• Empathy—including on the internet—is desperately needed
• No one’s life is simple or “by the book” as an adult
• Curiosity about family roots is natural, even when it means breaking silence

Memorable Takeaway:
“Walk with a little more empathy...everyone has different situations.” — Becky [18:10]

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Becky]

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[Angie Hicks]

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[Becky]

Thriving and surviving What'd you say?

[Angie Hicks]

I said, besides working your day job.

[Becky]

Oh, you know, good morning, good evening, good day, good night to our karmarus. So happy to be here. We're both wearing black.

[Angie Hicks]

We are both wearing black. And I also have a gold necklace on, but it's so small, you can't really see it.

[Becky]

Wow.

[Angie Hicks]

Wow. The vibes.

[Becky]

It's so nice to see you.

[Angie Hicks]

It is nice to see you. And I. For everyone listening or watching. I texted Becky and I said, I don't have anything to contribute to this episode because everything that's going on in my life, I can't talk about it right now. And it's so frustrating. So it's like, where are we at in current events at this point? You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Yeah. And I thought to myself, when does she ever bring anything to contribute?

[Angie Hicks]

That's a lie. That's a lie. But I did. I will say this week, since I guess I haven't really spoken to you a whole lot this week. Yeah. Lux and Creed had their Spanish immersion night, which is a big deal at our school district if you are in any sort of language immersion. We have Chinese immersion and Spanish immersion. I don't know if there are other languages. So for those of you who are new here, Lincoln, Lux, and Creed go to half day English, half day Spanish. And so the Spanish immersion night is a big deal. And so this was Creed's first. First one as a kindergartener, and so he was one of the first performers, and then Lux was one of the last ones because their school goes from kindergarten to third grade, which is. Lux is in third, and Creed's in kindergarten. And they were able to incorporate some pop culture moments this year. So this one has been my favorite yet. And Creed's kindergarten class incorporated Bad Bunny in DTMF for one of their songs. And it was so cute. And it was his first time, and he had. He was. Creed was so excited to get on that stage because he'd seen Lux do it for, like, three kindergarten, first and second grade. So this was his time to shine. And then, honestly, Lux impressed me. He's got some moves. He was, like, more embarrassed, but, like, you can tell that if he would just, like, let loose a little bit, he has rhythm. Like, he could do it. He was just a little stiff because he was like, there's people here. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Yeah. So the confidence that Creed has, that is admirable. So it sounds like Lux. Lux needs to get Creed to rub off a little bit of that.

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah, Lux told me so. He wants to do comedy and be in movies. And I said, well, let's get you like doing some lip syncing moments and like, actually bringing the energy to like lip syncing moments before we get you an agent. You know what I mean? Because like, if you can't do that, we're not gonna.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Angie Hicks]

Drag you all over the country for auditions and then you don't want to do it. Do you know what I mean?

[Becky]

Yeah. Maybe you should start like hosting talent shows in your house. You have enough kids to bring forward different presentations.

[Angie Hicks]

It sounds good. It sounds scary.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Angie Hicks]

That would end up in probably a boxing match. So I was last night, Lincoln, Lux and Creed were all outside playing and then somehow it turned into they're going to do fight club in the house. And so they went in the playroom and they put on boxing. Boxing gloves. And Creed got his ass whooped and he started crying and he's like, I just don't like losing. And I'm like, you literally held your own, like you held your own against a 12 year old. And like, I'm not talking about. They're not like beating the out of each other. Right. Like they're brothers. They're. They're doing a little bit of fighting and it's. It's tough love, you know? And so Lincoln beat Creed and Creed was like, I hate losing. And I was like, just because you lost doesn't mean you did a good job. You didn't do a good job.

[Becky]

And that's parenting. Remember when Creed lied that someone hit him because he lost a race to him? Yeah.

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah.

[Becky]

He really hates losing.

[Angie Hicks]

No, he hate. He will stop in the middle of something if he knows he's gonna lose. And like, I just wish that he would push through anyway. And I keep trying to. You can't explain to a child I didn't know as an until I got became an adult that like going against the best makes you better because you have to see what it took for them to win. And then you have to learn how to apply that or come up with a new strategy to beat somebody. But it took me until being an adult to realize that. So explaining that to a five year old. Oh, like sometimes you have to lose to get stronger. Like, they're not getting it. So, like, I don't even bother like trying to explain it because he's just not gonna get it. It's like, you'll figure it out.

[Becky]

You will figure it out. That. That reminds me of why I chose to go to a Division 2 school if I went to D3, I would have just, like, stayed the same. But when I went to D2, I got so. I didn't even know it was possible to get that much better.

[Angie Hicks]

Oh, so you, like, recognized your own progress?

[Becky]

Oh, yeah. Like, just practicing with the team made me significantly better as a player.

[Angie Hicks]

That's good to know.

[Becky]

When you said that Lux accidentally went to a older team, I was like, yeah. I was like, that's gonna be great for him.

[Angie Hicks]

No, it was. Honestly, I have no regrets there. And I would do it again on purpose. Yeah, like, he scored just as many goals, if not more, than every 12 year old on the team, like, in that division. And he held his own. Like, I was so proud of Lux.

[Becky]

As he should.

[Angie Hicks]

Did you see that the Cowboys got Caleb Downs?

[Becky]

Okay, I do not follow any professional sports.

[Angie Hicks]

I will say college is significantly more entertaining than professional.

[Becky]

I don't follow any collegiate sports.

[Angie Hicks]

Oh, you don't?

[Becky]

No, I don't. I don't watch anything.

[Angie Hicks]

Oh, we watched the draft last night, clearly. Okay.

[Becky]

And, like, you say that, like, where is this info? Like, where. Who's feeding you this information?

[Angie Hicks]

I watched it myself.

[Becky]

Yeah, but how do you know anything about him?

[Angie Hicks]

Huh?

[Becky]

How do you know anything about him?

[Angie Hicks]

Because Ike tells me everything.

[Becky]

Okay, well, there it is. I don't have a man in this house encouraging me to watch football or care about the draft, but I'm happy for you. Is that. Is he a Cowboys fan or Eagles fan?

[Angie Hicks]

Cowboys fans.

[Becky]

Cowboys fan. Okay. All right, cool. I did see a little snippet online about the. The kid that went over, what, like, pick one overall, how it was really important for him not to be at the draft, that he wanted to be surrounded by all the people that got him to where he was. And so he wanted to be at home with his family and friends. And I thought that.

[Angie Hicks]

Did you. Well, you didn't watch it, so you wouldn't know, but he also already filmed a commercial that aired last night, so he already had that filmed, and they aired it, and we were like, what? Like, did he do that right now? Or, like, when did that happen? So he must have already done it.

[Becky]

So much money. So much money being made up there, honestly.

[Angie Hicks]

And I don't know why this, like, hit a soft spot for me, but, like, seeing some of them cry, like, made me feel good. That, like, men really do can't. They can have feelings and it's okay to cry. Like. And so Lux and Creed were like, why are they. Why are they trying to stop crying? And I was like, because they're, they're, first of all, they're happy tears, I would guess. And then second, like, you know, they're. They probably feel like they shouldn't cry or they can't cry. And so it humanized them a little bit. And so I was like, cheering them on. Like, just let it out. You're. It's okay to be emotional about something. So I thought that was cool. I also, I watched the draft last year, but I don't remember seeing all the people that were there this year. Like, when I saw it, like, zoomed out, but maybe I just didn't see that part of it. I did not realize how many people physically go like an event bigger than the Super Bowl. Like, what in the world?

[Becky]

It's not, but it's not.

[Angie Hicks]

You know what I'm saying?

[Becky]

I do know what you're saying. I have. I have a question for you. But besides the obvious, what's one thing you would change about yourself?

[Angie Hicks]

What's the obvious? First of all, What's the obvious, Becky? My mental illnesses.

[Becky]

Like, you know, just the obvious.

[Angie Hicks]

You know the obvious. Are we talking about plastic surgery? Are we talking about mental illness here? Like, what is it exactly? That is obvious, huh?

[Becky]

Just, you know,

[Angie Hicks]

what is the obvious?

[Becky]

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[Angie Hicks]

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[Becky]

That's the bit. That's the, that's the thing, you know.

[Angie Hicks]

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[Becky]

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[Angie Hicks]

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[Becky]

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[Becky]

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[Becky]

Couple updates. Well, okay, we. We Have a long couple months ahead of us.

[Angie Hicks]

No, I'm scared.

[Becky]

Yeah, it's gonna be wild.

[Angie Hicks]

Just left my primary care physician. We talked about a vitamin regimen that. We talked about a vitamin regimen, and she said that she gave me two. That chat gbt. Also, like, I told her what chat GBT said for, like, I put my height, my weight, what I struggle with having adhd. Like, I put all the things, and it gave me a list. And what's so funny is she, like, said them, and I was like, hold on, I'll tell you the list that's on ChatGPT. And two of the ones that she suggested were also on ChatGPT. So I'm not saying that's medical advice, but I am saying you could start there. And so she did give me that, and she said that should help with the reoccurring strep until I'm able to get my tonsils out. But I am highly concerned about this summer and how ragged I'm gonna be run with strep. Like, it does make me very nervous.

[Becky]

You gotta stay healthy. You gotta eat those veggies.

[Angie Hicks]

I swear, if I don't get three days of sleep, Matt, the strip gets triggered. And I just have a. I have sh.

[Becky]

Yeah. Well, I talked a little bit about this on Southern Tea when I went on with Lindsay Chrisley, and I think that it's worth a little bit of a conversation here. I don't need to go into full detail, but Leah and I had a very productive, productive conversation around our relationship. I think we really hit a place that we needed to have a conversation around, like, what we wanted as partners and what we needed to be doing different so that we didn't keep living in this disruption of what, like, Bex brought to us. Right. Like, we love this kid more than anything and, like, don't regret doing it. But, of course, having a kid brings in a lot of discomfort into a relationship and makes things change. So Lee and I had a really great conversation, and I kind of. I'd, like, spoke through that a little bit, and just how, like, I can't believe more people don't get divorced after having a kid because of.

[Angie Hicks]

That's like.

[Becky]

I know that that is, like, a huge stat, but there was a couple things I said in the episode. Like, I. I feared that if we continue down this path, that I would start to resent, like, having children. And, like. And really, I just love Leah so much, and I really love that love. Miss the relationship. And we are figuring it out in a Good place, moving forward. And I also said, like, I also. It's really hard to, like, say what you would do in a situation. But like, I, in my mind, I still would always choose Leah over anyone, children, anything. I choose her. And someone made like, a comment on the post saying, like, it is the most disgusting thing that she's heard that I would choose Leah over Bex and that I would resent Bex if Leah didn't show me love. And it. This is just another one of those situations of let's not shame people for their feelings because, like, this is why people suffer in silence over, like, things that they are going through. And a lot of the time it is like people projecting their own life into a situation. Because, like, when someone in a, let's say, in a not healthy relationship or like, they don't have, like, a very solid foundation, hear me say that I would choose Leah over Bex and they have a kid that is their entire world, like, obviously we're gonna have different feelings. Like, if you don't like your partner, you're not gonna choose them like that. And that's fine. Like, if your child saved your life and gave you love and purpose, like, that is okay. Everyone has different situations. Like, for me, my love and purpose came from Leah first. And like, that has always been my number one priority. So just want to let everyone know, let's walk with a little bit more empathy. Okay? Understand that people's situ, like lived situations are going to make situations so much different. So.

[Angie Hicks]

Well, I think too, like, this goes kind of back to a conversation that Lindsay and I also had on coffee combos, like, a long time ago, and maybe you and I even had it. Also, if it were to be like a life or death situation in childbirth, for example, you know, who does your partner save? The baby or you? And so it's not everybody's answer is going to be the same. And I'm not going to sit here and try to pretend that what I would do is what everybody. Because I don't believe that. And I did not have supportive partners except for Elijah while I was pregnant. So I would say that, like, I would have wanted to. Your point? Choosing your partner. I wouldn't choose any of my partners. Exactly.

[Becky]

And that's fine. Like, it's okay to like, I also

[Angie Hicks]

am in a place to see it from your perspective. I see things differently. Like, we, you and I have the ability to put ourselves in other perspectives and other people's shoes. Not everybody has that ability. And I think that's where the projection comes in is that they don't see. They can't see things from any other way. Yeah. And that's them problem. That's not enough problem.

[Becky]

Yeah. And like I, and like I said, I was like, God forbid I love my wife. Like, like I don't know what to tell you.

[Angie Hicks]

It doesn't mean that you're gonna throw, you're not gonna throw Bex into a burning home.

[Becky]

Oh, I love that kid. I.

[Angie Hicks]

That's not what that means. It just means that like you love him enough to choose your wife and to work it out with her so that he can have the best of

[Becky]

the best, like a million percent.

[Angie Hicks]

And we're not talking about like, oh, let's just resent backs and throw them to the side while I go with my wife. Like, that's literally not what you're saying.

[Becky]

No. Like our Bex will grow up in a happier household knowing that like his parents love each other and have that love and work through things. And I had specifically asked Lindsay, like, did you go through this with Will? Like, was this. And, and she was talking about how like not having that communication is, is probably what led to like, among a million other things. But like they've, they reached the point that Leah and I reached and didn't talk and continued down that path.

[Angie Hicks]

And that's where I think that so many couples, gay or straight, are getting divorced in the first two years or splitting up in the first two years. Because that is hard. And it's not just like the day to day that's hard. It's the communication that becomes hard because now you have this new life that does become your whole world. Whether you would choose your partner or your child first. Either way, they become your whole world. And so I think that there is room for all the feelings, I think there's room for all the perspectives. And I think it's okay if you guys have different. You don't have to crucify somebody for having a different belief. I'm a better or worse person.

[Becky]

People are so sad. It makes me like feel bad for people for like living such a miserable life. Like, anyway, Lee and I are doing great. We had a really great conversation. I'm. I'm clawing my way out of depression. I'm feeling good. Thank you. And Bex had, we went to his nine month appointment and the doctor was like, hey, his head size is off the charts. You need to go to see a neuro, A neural. A neurologist, a peds neurologist, which is just like so overwhelming. Like, I didn't. I guess I didn't know what to expect. But like, it wasn't dealing with health issues with your children. It's like one of the most heaviest things I've ever dealt with.

[Angie Hicks]

So as Leah. Leah's a pa, A physician's assistant, which is, yeah, in my opinion, basically a doctor. And I. Please do not come for my neck about that. That's my opinion.

[Becky]

I mean, they basically are. They just. They can do everything a doctor can do except have their own practice.

[Angie Hicks]

Did Leah ever have concerns about his head? Because I know seven kids and I'm gonna be honest. Like, some of their heads are big. So I. And I never thought twice about Bex's head. And if he's meeting all his milestones, I was a little surprised that they were like, okay, immediately neurology. So that was surprising. But also on the flip side of that, you'd rather be safe than sorry. Like, yeah, that happened with Rio's umbilical hernia. Like immediately, stat go to. Yeah. So like on one hand it's like you'd rather be safe than sorry. But also like, let's not scare new moms either.

[Becky]

I was so. And Leo wasn't as nervous, so I think that's what made me a little less nervous because she was like, she was like, if any of the things that could be wrong, there would be other signs with it. Right.

[Angie Hicks]

That's kind of like where I was at. But again, I would rather almost take the, like take, take the doctor's advice. Go get everything checked out and everything be fine.

[Becky]

Yeah. And it was because, like, he was always teetering at the 99 tile with his head. And then from six months to nine months. At nine months, he went up like two steps.

[Angie Hicks]

Like it's like it's just growing faster than his body.

[Becky]

I think he's just a big headed boy. But we went to the ultrasound and the X rays and he was a perfect little angel. He laid there the whole time like it was. It made it so much less stressful. But we have a. We have our follow up next. When? Next Friday, so.

[Angie Hicks]

But so far they're not really having concerns, just.

[Becky]

No. Like the prelim, like the test results for the ultrasound came back and nothing came back concerning on it. But I guess we just really won't know until we see the doctor.

[Angie Hicks]

Lincoln has a big head and Creed has a huge lump on the back of his head. They. His dad calls it the loper lump because they all have it. And then Rio's head is just huge. And Verse has two.

[Becky]

Two big headed kids.

[Angie Hicks]

Two big headed kids. And then Rio and Verse just have their dad's head.

[Becky]

Like oh yeah, Elijah does have a big head.

[Angie Hicks]

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[Becky]

Well, but one of the other things, when we were at the, when we were at the doctors, he was like, oh, can you, can you reach out to the donor to see what his size head is now? His head size is now. And it was just like a reassuring moment of how we chose to build our family was such like an incredible way to do it because we have access to him and because we can ask him those things. And he was like asking his mom too, like, you know, was this ever a concern for any of. Any of like us, like any of him or his siblings.

[Angie Hicks]

So honestly, that's like a really good point that you're making because I just did. Not related to Becks necessarily, but just in general just did a TikTok about my dad dying, not knowing who his real dad was. And even for like my sister and I, like we don't have our dad's medical history, let alone he doesn't have his own medical history because he died thinking someone else was his dad. So it's like we don't have that. And the way that you did it, you will always have that. And like that makes me really happy. Like Bex won't ever grow up with questions. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Yeah, I do.

[Angie Hicks]

Or if he does, he can go ask.

[Becky]

Yeah, literally we have access anytime we want. And we talk, we talk to Matt like a couple times a week.

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah, yesterday I went to New York City for the day and really it wasn't even for the day. It was just for a couple hours. And I went on someone else's pod. I went on Low from Laguna beach, her podcast. And I got to see one of my cousins also. She lives in Hoboken, and then her kids go to school in the ski in the city. So I got to see her very briefly. But it was really nice because she got to meet Ike, and she's a twin, and she has twins, and then Ike's siblings are twins, and I have twins, so it was, like, really cool. And I haven't seen her. I don't think I've seen my cousin in two years. Like, I know some people think I don't have a family at all, but I do have. I do have cousins.

[Becky]

What'd you guys talk about? What'd you guys do?

[Angie Hicks]

I was just sort of, like, catching up, like, just, like, filling her in. And they went to Africa, and her daughter. Her oldest daughter is two. Is two weeks apart from Elliot. These are the cousins I wrote about in my book. So if you guys ever read Pride over Pity. Jen and Candy, they're twins. I saw Jen, so we just talked, like, just. We're trying to catch up. We only had, like, an hour, so it was, like, not much. And I hadn't seen her in so long. So I'm gonna try to see her for Mother's Day weekend when we're there for the Webbies. So just excited to.

[Becky]

Congrats on winning a Webby.

[Angie Hicks]

Thank you.

[Becky]

That's so exciting.

[Angie Hicks]

Could you also just share all the tour dates that you're going to be at for anyone listening?

[Becky]

Everyone get a pen and paper out, because there is a lot. I am going to be at Indianapolis, San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Charleston, Charlotte, Durham, London, Huntington, New York, and Philly. And maybe to be determined, whatever that.

[Angie Hicks]

Silver Springs, Maryland.

[Becky]

Silver Springs, Maryland.

[Angie Hicks]

Love it. Just wanted to put that out there. I had a really good ticket sales day yesterday for some reason, I don't know.

[Becky]

Oh, you want to know why?

[Angie Hicks]

Why?

[Becky]

Because I posted in our group chat this. The tours that I'm going to.

[Angie Hicks]

Are you serious?

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Angie Hicks]

So I went live for, like, two hours for no reason.

[Becky]

No, I'm just kidding. It was probably that.

[Angie Hicks]

No, it was probably that. No, you're. I think you're 1,000% correct.

[Becky]

There's a lot of comments on.

[Angie Hicks]

Was Becky. Thank you. I appreciate that. We had a good ticket sales day. I was. I. I got home from New York and I was like, oh, speaking of that really quickly. Oh, I have something else to tell you too.

[Becky]

Did you take medicine today?

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah, I did.

[Becky]

Okay, continue.

[Angie Hicks]

What was I saying? What was I saying? Oh, okay. So I was starting with the meds are not medicating. They're not methicating. Okay, so go to New York. Drive there was fine. Go on live. Have a good time. Read a little bit on my Kindle. Pete on the side of the road. I definitely pee on the side of the road more than I should for an adult. I had that realization. Second to that. The traffic coming home. It should have been a two and a half hour drive. And it ended up being four hours to get. So that was wild. I went to the Strand because we were where I was for Lowe's podcast and then where I was meeting my cousin, we're right next to each other. The Strand was also there. And so naturally I was like, I need to go check out the books. And so this woman recognizes me and she comes up to me and she's like, oh, my God. Like, I follow your book club. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You have to see this book. And I'm like, okay. Like, what kind is it? And she's like, it's fantasy. And I'm like, I think that's more like a Becky's Alley. Like, I don't know that this is like, for me or whatever, but she just starts describing it. It sounds really good. And so it's like these. The seven. It's like a map. And there's like hell and the different levels of hell. And I'm like, oh, interesting. Like, this actually sounds interesting for like a. A fantasy book. And so I was going to tell you about it because it. I feel like it's actually interesting. And so I filmed a little video. It's called Catabasis.

[Becky]

Okay.

[Angie Hicks]

But like, look at the sprayed edges are stunning. I did take her recommendation on it because she was really excited about it. And I feel like it's going to be good if she's really excited about it, but I feel like maybe you read it first and then tell me if I'll like it.

[Becky]

Okay, I'll read it.

[Angie Hicks]

Fine. Because it's a. It's a fantasy. So if it's like a realistic fantasy, I might be into it. Kind of like Hunger Games is like the vibe. Like, I feel like I could read Hunger Games. I don't know that I could get through Fourth Wing.

[Becky]

Red Rising is like Hunger Games.

[Angie Hicks]

Okay, I. That would be more up my alley because I saw clips of the Hunger Games movie and I was like, oh, I actually like this.

[Becky]

We need. You're gonna piss me off. What was that book called? So I can put it in my goodreads.

[Angie Hicks]

Catabasis.

[Becky]

Bassis. Is it a singular book? Ooh interesting. Doesn't have that great review on. It's a 3.3.7.

[Angie Hicks]

See I think that the threes are the most realistic reviews.

[Becky]

Oh Spencer read it.

[Angie Hicks]

I feel like a 3 is like the most honest review. Middle of the road. Like it could go either way. Like I might. I will never count out a three star from my own tbr.

[Becky]

So I think we need to talk about this. Where do you stand in the divorce battle of Alex and Alex?

[Angie Hicks]

Oh, okay. Alex and Alex is so interesting because I have a love hate. First of all, Alex Cooper has no idea who the I am. I'm aware of that. I'm self aware enough to know this. But I do have a love hate relationship with her that's one sided and it really just is it of part pure jealousy on my end because she has way more money than me and so there's that. I think that she, Alex Earl also

[Becky]

has more money than you.

[Angie Hicks]

Alex Earl is a queen and I have said since the beginning of time when she popped off on TikTok that she will be as big as Kim Kardashian if she's not already as big or bigger. And I love Alex Earl and I always have and I don't align with her politically and I don't need to follow her for political reasons. Reasons. I went down a rabbit hole on Tick Tock and this guy Marcos who interviewed 17 people he said got the scoop on Alex and Alex and really it's not as drama filled allegedly as everybody's trying to make it seem. Apparently it was all basically business decisions and politics which is why they fell out. And I find that very interesting because you already like, it doesn't take a rocket science scientist to figure out which way both of these girls go. Right? So that's not for sure.

[Becky]

Maybe that's why Alex Cooper was like say it like we didn't agree politically. That's why you left.

[Angie Hicks]

So like, you know. But with that there's a lot of discourse online right now about Alex Cooper's company unwell and I see all sides. I feel like kind of taking it back to the beginning of this episode is like I really see all perspectives and having been in the spot in the public eye before, like I can see how things can be distorted and like what is said online can be true but like there's always another side to it that will give you perspective on what's out there. I don't know. I love them both for different reasons. I dislike them both for different reasons and I feel like can we just agree to disagree and let the Alexes, like, do their own things and like, you know.

[Becky]

Yeah, I don't have big feelings either way. I don't like it. It's like, no harm, no foul for me. But I do find it interesting to see like, what comes about and I do find it entertaining the way that it's kind of unfolding of like Alex Cooper just posting something and being like, you don't have it. Like, say it. Like, just say it.

[Angie Hicks]

And then Dave Portnoy got on it and then he was like making comments about it.

[Becky]

He rubs me the wrong way sometimes and like, I respect, like, just like the business side person of him and what he's built. But like, when he talks sometimes I'm just like, if you didn't have money, like, no one would give you the time of day.

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah, he's like, douchebag for sure.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Angie Hicks]

But like, also interesting. And I would definitely interview him also.

[Becky]

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[Becky]

I mean if that's what someone agreed to like, that's Isn't that on the host to like?

[Angie Hicks]

Yes, yes it is. It is on the host to be well informed. But there is also an option for Rev Share, which for sure your agreement with me is different because of how we started. But that's not set in stone. Like we can change it as we see fit. But for me, knowing the potential in podcasting, I feel like the difference there for Unwell and killer. Obviously I'm much smaller.

[Becky]

I mean they're business people.

[Angie Hicks]

That's yeah, I mean for them it's a good decision. But like I want people to be happy with me and I want people to stay. And so I feel like our rev share is so much better.

[Becky]

Such an interesting situation. They'll write about it in textbooks, I think. Mark it down in the history books.

[Angie Hicks]

Imagine we have. I did tell Elliot though. So Elliot goes to a, like a tech school right now where you choose a pathway. I mean it still prepares you for college but like in theory there's a lot of trades at this high school so that you could graduate with certificates and stuff. And he's taking a pathway that he is the closest to what he wants to do with his life. And so that's why we're not going there next year. He's gonna go to a private school. That would suit him a little bit better. But with that I did tell him, I said it's really interesting to me that they don't have a social media class at this point or a social media pathway. In my opinion, the social media management pathway could also be connected to marketing and business. And I feel like we need to update the times we need to update and like not necessarily putting like Alex and Alex in textbooks, but like putting social media in textbooks because that is the new marketing. Right. So it does surprise me a little bit. Especially for like people who college is not for them. But maybe social media is like that

[Becky]

should be a pathway and like have knowing how to like manage it all and like understanding trends and understanding like editing.

[Angie Hicks]

And they could pair it with a technology class for cap cut, for a design class. Design class. Also with photography and videography. There's so much that schools would could do with that and I am surprised they haven't added that to any like any options.

[Becky]

I agree. I think that we need to revisit the school system in general.

[Angie Hicks]

So. Yeah, I would agree with that. I would wholeheartedly agree with that.

[Becky]

I was also thinking about, you know the show Love is Blind?

[Angie Hicks]

Yes. I haven't watched it in a long time, but yeah, I haven't either.

[Becky]

I don't really actually I just watched new show on Netflix. It is called Big Mistakes. Highly recommend. It was like a really great just like action comedy. Not even action. It's with Dan Levy.

[Angie Hicks]

I don't know who that is.

[Becky]

Yes you do.

[Angie Hicks]

No, I don't.

[Becky]

He's from in Schitt's Creek.

[Angie Hicks]

Don't know what that is.

[Becky]

I digress. Anyway, if you, if you're listening, watch Big Mistakes and let me know what you think because I really enjoyed watching that show. It was like A nice little. I laughed anyway. Imagine if they made a Love is Blind, but they take gender out of it. Like, not only can you not see the person, you don't know what gender they are.

[Angie Hicks]

I would love that. That would be.

[Becky]

Imagine.

[Angie Hicks]

I mean, obviously I'm in a relationship now, but like, if I wasn't, you know what I mean? Like, I would be open to men or women.

[Becky]

That's. But like, you just don't know. You're just falling in love with a person as a person.

[Angie Hicks]

I love that. Actually.

[Becky]

Could you, could you imagine how many dudes would be upset that they just fell in love with another man?

[Angie Hicks]

Oh, I didn't even. I'm so selfish. I didn't even think about men. I wasn't even thinking about a man with a man. I'm thinking about myself. You know what I mean? Men, they would be so upset. They would be. They would be. Because if you use like a voice changer or something, mean situation. And then I honestly think that the, the men in this world that are like bros before hoes, like, they tell their bros all their problems, you know, with their wives and things like that. And like, you're gay. Like, I like, there is no way in hell you're choosing your boys over your life partner that you're supposed to be building a life with. If you are a grown ass man and you choose your friends over your wife or girlfriend, you're literally gay and you don't want to admit it.

[Becky]

I don't know if I agree with that.

[Angie Hicks]

I do. Because you're choosing somebody who doesn't feed and finance you over the person you're building a life with. You're gay. You're literally gay and you hate women.

[Becky]

Okay, I agree that they shouldn't be choosing their homeboy over the person they're building a life with, but I don't know if it makes them gay. I think it just gay.

[Angie Hicks]

And they don't know why they're choosing their gay. You don't know why you're choosing your homeboys over, like, over your wife.

[Becky]

You're gay.

[Angie Hicks]

You're gay.

[Becky]

Yeah. So we'll see. What, we'll see what you were talking about back boxing before, which triggered a thought in my head. What the. What is the point of slap boxing?

[Angie Hicks]

Is that a sport?

[Becky]

It is a sport and it pisses me off so bad because, like, what is wrong with people?

[Angie Hicks]

I didn't know that was a sport. I don't. What. Why would anyone want that they stand

[Becky]

like this one person on this side One person on this side, and they take turns slapping each other and they're like, knocking each other out. And it's just like, for what?

[Angie Hicks]

No, we're not doing that. We're literally not doing that.

[Becky]

It's like, grow. It freaks me out. And also, I'm so sick and tired of people fight. Fist fighting, too. I see all these videos of people just, like, fist fighting on the street and fit. And it's like, for what? Like, why are we getting in fistfights with people?

[Angie Hicks]

I am not. I was a big fighter in high school.

[Becky]

I know, but it's just, like, so dangerous.

[Angie Hicks]

Like, I'm in my 30s now. I'm not putting my hands on people.

[Becky]

Like, it makes me so uncomfortable when

[Angie Hicks]

I see fighting, unhealed trauma that these people are going through. Going through. Because what the. Why are you fighting as a grown adult?

[Becky]

Yeah, yeah.

[Angie Hicks]

Like,

[Becky]

I. Lee and I were talking about a couple things we. We had saw. It was like a bunch of snippets from a podcast, and it was so interesting to hear this perspective. And I think this also goes along with what we were talking about in the beginning of just being more empathetic and, like, understanding, like, different people's lives. And it was talking about how, like, the breastfeeding versus formula fed kids, and this woman was talking about, like, taking into consideration what their lives are outside of what they're being fed and how a larger portion of people of. Of children that are formula fed are in circumstances where, like, a mom can't afford to take off three months of work, they have to go back to work after a couple weeks. And, like, so those kids are obviously in a situation that's not as privileged as someone else that, like, is going to be breastfed for, you know, months and months and months. And it was just a really interesting take. And it also was talking about, like, TV time, too. And it was like, well, if a kid is sitting there watching eight hours of tv, like, what else is their life? Like? Like, what other. What is the environment that they're in that they're sitting there watching TV for so long? Or. And it's. It was just talking about the intention. Like, you know, you're putting your kid in front of a TV so you can cook dinner for your family. Like, that's like, what is the. What is the problem with that? And so it just made me. I'm already obviously, like, an empathetic person, but it just gives, like, perspective of just really thinking beyond your own, like, and not even your own circumstances, but, like, beyond Face value, too. Right. Like, there's so much talk around that, that.

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah, I remember, like, the breastfeeding versus formula fed. And, you know, I was too young to breastfeed as long as I wanted to. With Elliot, I didn't have the resources and the knowledge. And then when I had Lincoln, I had the knowledge, I had the support. I had breastfeeding support group. I had a lactation consultant. I also had help. I have not had successful breastfeeding journeys without help because cluster feedings is real where you're basically have this baby attached to you 24 7. Lincoln was breastfed exclusively for almost an entire year, if not a full year. And then with Lux, I didn't get to do that because it was just me and him. So I still have other to do. I can't dedicate, you know, an entire year of breastfeeding to him. I have to go to work. I started a podcast. I'm trying to create new income, things like that. Same with Creed. I had help, but not the help that I needed to breastfeed. And so it just couldn't have been a situation like Lincoln. But it definitely gave me perspective and empathy for all the people, because if I could have breastfed all of my children exclusively for a year, I would have done that. But breastfeeding can take an emotional and mental toll on the mom so bad. Like, I remember just crying about Lincoln. Like, I wanted to be done breastfeeding, but, like, I. I couldn't bring myself to do it because it was an emotional attachment. But then it was like it was what was best for me mentally at the time. It was. I mean, and then when I couldn't do the same one year for Lux, it was. I mean, it tore me up. It tore me the up. So I. I think that as my motherhood journey has continued, I've seen less discourse about it. It's like fed is best. This episode of karma and chaos is brought to you by booking.com I've got to say, if you're looking to grow your vacation rental business, this is the place to be. Booking.com is one of the most downloaded travel apps in the world. And for good reason. Since 2010, they've helped over 1.8 billion vacation rental guests find places to stay. That's billion with a B. But here's the thing. Most vacation rental hosts don't even realize that they can list their properties on booking.com. and if you're not on the platform, your rental is basically invisible to millions of Booking.com travelers worldwide. After all. They can't book what they can't see, right? But once you start listing on booking.com, your property gets seen by a massive global audience of unique travelers. That means more visibility, more bookings, and more opportunity to accelerate the growth of your rental business. And it couldn't be any easier. You can register your property in as little as 15 minutes, and nearly half of hosts get their first booking within a week. So if your vacation rental isn't listed on booking.com, it could be invisible to millions of travelers searching the platform. Don't miss out on consistent bookings and global reach. Head over to booking.com and start your listing today. Get seen, get booked on book. My name is Mackenzie and I started a GoFundMe for the adoptive mother of a non verbal autistic child.

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[Angie Hicks]

TV and gaming. I have a heart like, like I don't care about TV time because my kids never sit in front of the TV for even when they're watching something, they don't sit still for an hour and watch something. They're like watching it and doing something else. And what like, so I don't really care about that. I also, my kids just don't sit in front of the TV all day and all night and they, and I don't let them have their game. Like they don't have PlayStation. We have one, but they don't are, they're not on it. So I'm not. But again, it's the circumstances. If you're okay, you're working from home and you have a kid and you need to get work done to pay your bills, I'm not mad if you put on a movie and your kids watching the movie. I Don't give a. That does not. Great. Your mom, your kid is seeing you work and seeing you get done, and you're gonna figure it out. And great. You know, the TV did its job, but, like, if you're sitting your kid in front of a game or a TV for eight to 10 hours a day, that's problematic. And you're gonna see. You're gonna see the. The effects of that outside of the gaming and the tv.

[Becky]

Oh, absolutely. You know, I feel like I have said something every time you talk, I'm just like, yeah, I'd like to tell you a little bit of a story that I wrote down that I think would be fun.

[Angie Hicks]

Did you make up the story?

[Becky]

No, I was just. I was just thinking about it because I. We brought Bex to the farm and I saw the cows. And I don't think I've told you about this, but this one time I went to the farm and I was bringing. I brought my friend to show her around the farm and to Leah's dad. I don't know if I've ever said this. Leah's dad owns it. Like a working dairy farm.

[Angie Hicks]

You've said that, but people probably don't remember.

[Becky]

Okay, Liz, dad owns a working dairy farm. Like, hold on.

[Angie Hicks]

Did you bring her on FaceTime or you brought her in person?

[Becky]

In person.

[Angie Hicks]

Okay.

[Becky]

Like, over 200 cows. There's dairy. There's some beef cows there too.

[Angie Hicks]

I've been there, babe. I mean, Becky,

[Becky]

Literally, like, we're not the only ones talking, right?

[Angie Hicks]

Like, oh, right, right, right. We're not on FaceTime.

[Becky]

So we. I went to the farm, I brought my friend. I was in the side by side taking her for a tour around, and I see this. And I see this cow laying on the ground. And I was like, that doesn't look right. Like, it looks like something's wrong. Like, why? And like, I was like, why is it laying like that? It's making noises. So I called Leah, and Leah wasn't with me at the time. Leah was back at that farmhouse. And I said, hey, I think there's something wrong going on with this cow. And she was like, is there any farmers around? And I was like, no, there's no one here. So I went and pick her up, I brought her back, and I know this story.

[Angie Hicks]

You. You called me.

[Becky]

Oh, yeah, it was a while ago. Okay, go ahead and. And she was like, oh, yeah, that. Like, there's definitely something wrong. Let me call my dad. And so she calls her dad, and her dad is like, she's Giving birth. And you, like, someone needs to help. Like, she's having trouble, like, getting the birthing. Like, someone needs to go in there and pull it out if no one's around. And Leah looks at me, and without hesitation, I jump over this fence, I run to the cow, and I start pulling, like, by, like, the baby out. And I'm. I'm like, pulling, pulling, and I, like, get it out. And I was like, leo, what do I do now? Like, the sack didn't break. She and Gene was like, you have, like, you have to rip it open or like, the cat, the calf is gonna die. I didn't realize how thick the sack is around. So I'm like, tearing at the sack and, like, rip it open with my bare hands. And I saved the cap.

[Angie Hicks]

How did you puncture it to get it open?

[Becky]

With my finger.

[Angie Hicks]

I like, but it was hard.

[Becky]

Yeah, it was hard. It was thick.

[Angie Hicks]

Did the mom let you help her? Because I feel like maybe. Yeah,

[Becky]

the. The cow's name is Fran. I don't know what happened to her,

[Angie Hicks]

but I don't want to know. I just. That's great. I'm. I remember you FaceTime me or sending me videos or something where. Where you were doing this.

[Becky]

Yeah. Well, proud moment of my life.

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah. No, that's really cool.

[Becky]

I should add it to my resume, I think.

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah. Calf birther.

[Becky]

Yeah. I. Did you see all the comments of. I posted a bunch of pictures from the Bush Olympics and, like, the bush and the Facebook group, and everyone is so impressed.

[Angie Hicks]

Is it still there or did you all take it down?

[Becky]

It's probably still half standing. I don't know. We don't live there anymore.

[Angie Hicks]

You should go visit maybe.

[Becky]

But everyone was like, I. It just reminds me of, like. Like, what a unique life I lived growing up. Right. Like, not everyone lives that way, you know, riding four wheelers everywhere. And this place was like a mile back in the woods. Like, it was crazy. It was wild, insane.

[Angie Hicks]

The bush.

[Becky]

The bush.

[Angie Hicks]

Love that for you.

[Becky]

One more thing before I get into karma and chaos so that I can clear off my notes and start again,

[Angie Hicks]

is

[Becky]

I saw a funny comment on a tick tock and it said, I don't even write comments anymore. I just find what I'm. I'm thinking and I like it. Like, yeah, you know, like, you're just like, oh, I'm thinking this. You go. And someone already said it.

[Angie Hicks]

Yep.

[Becky]

We don't live in our own unique ways that we think. All right, here we go. Is it karma or is it chaos? Okay, my Daughter's dad never my. Okay. My daughter's dad never knew his dad. Like, really. Only I can't read. Let me start over. Alessandra, delete that. Is it karma or is it chaos? My daughter's dad never knew his dad. Like, really. Another man raised him and was on a birth certificate. I guess the mother had an affair. I did her ancestry and I, I don't. Why does it say her. Okay, I did her ancestry and I figured out who his biological father is because his brother did ancestry. Now trying to reach out and this man will not speak to me. I just want some answers. This man has three grandkids and a son. It is awful, but I'm poking my nose somewhere, maybe it doesn't belong.

[Angie Hicks]

She's saying, is it awful that I'm poking my nose somewhere that it doesn't belong? Is it karma or is it chaos? I'm in the same situation. I mean, I, I did worry a little bit about my tick tock pissing people off, and I think that it's a touchy subject for my aunt. But no, I think that people deserve answers if they want them and if that hurts anybody above them who doesn't want answers, unfortunately, that's just the way it goes. Like, I'm not gonna not find answers for myself because someone else would be upset by that. And maybe that's selfish of me, but I feel like everyone has the right to know who they are and where they came from. From.

[Becky]

Yeah, I, I would agree. Right. Like, if you the, the issue comes from what if, like, that person had no clue? Right? Like, what if they. Huh? Like, no, like, what if your dad's dad, like his biological father, but what if he had no clue that he got someone pregnant? Because that can happen.

[Angie Hicks]

There's nuance to everything, right? Like, yeah, I think when it's a situation of. Something that's come up in my life a lot is like, moms that actually keep their kids from the dad. Right? Like, people love to say that about me. Right? They love to say I keep my kids from Chris or whoever. Right? That's absolutely untrue. But the moms who genuinely want their kids to themselves and don't want the dad to know, like, and don't tell the dad. Do they have a right to know that they had a child?

[Becky]

They 100 have a right to know

[Angie Hicks]

they had a child to know.

[Becky]

But the disruption, like, it could cause, it's just like such a web of, of issues. Everyone has the right to make their. Just like, maybe this person isn't in the right. Because it's not her. Like, if her husband was the one that was prying for answers, like, he has the right to be looking for answers of who his biological father is. Right? Like, if someone.

[Angie Hicks]

You're saying. Because it's not him doing. I mean, yeah, I could see what you're saying there, you know, like.

[Becky]

Like, if someone came to you and said, my husband is your brother, instead of, like, someone coming to you and being like, I'm your brother. I don't know.

[Angie Hicks]

That wouldn't upset me. I would be like, my aunt came true. My aunt found me on Facebook saying that she was looking for me my entire life on social media, waiting for the time to find me. And, like, she's not my dad. She's not my mom, but she had investment in it, in my life some, to some degree. And I was not upset about it at all. I just was like, okay, if I meet you, can you bring me to my dad? Kind of deal. And she agreed. So, like, again. But I feel like you and I have more of an open mind than some people do.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Angie Hicks]

It is what it is. But for me, I'm gonna keep looking.

[Becky]

I'm gonna keep looking. It's so fascinating. Genealogy. That's the right word, right?

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Is so interesting to me just because of, like, genetic traits and stuff that get passed down to children and, like, who you are as a person, like, stems from that. I hope you find, like, imagine you just have, like, a whole nother family that you had, like, no clue.

[Angie Hicks]

I. On my. You mean, like, siblings or, like, extended family?

[Becky]

No, extended family.

[Angie Hicks]

Like, cousins on ancestry on 23.

[Becky]

And I mean, like, first cousins.

[Angie Hicks]

Like, there's a lot of first, there's first, second, all the way up to fifth, but, like, there's a lot of first cousins in there. And so I was like, like. And I reached out to a couple, but they didn't respond. So it's interesting to me, too. Like, I know people are curious about, like, what they are and not necessarily, like, the family members, but when family members pop up, I'm like, I want to know. But it sounds like some of them are not really interested in, like, getting to know, you know? Yeah. Or extended unknown or opening that box of worms.

[Becky]

I don't know if you're listening. What would you, like if you had family out there you didn't know about? Would you want to know?

[Angie Hicks]

Know?

[Becky]

I'm curious. I'm curious. What way? Like, are we the outliers? Are people like, no, we don't Want

[Angie Hicks]

some people are like, what we don't know won't hurt us. And if it's gonna unravel something. One thing I've always questioned, and I. I won't ask my family because I don't want to upset anyone, number one. And number two, I like not knowing. Like, I want to know, but I also don't want to necessarily know the truth. Like, my grandparents died being married over 50 years. Like, what was the secret to that? What was the issues back then? They didn't have social media. Did either one of them cheat? Like, I want to know those things, and I'll never know because they're all dead. But it's. I wouldn't ask any of my family because I don't want to upset them. But, like, yeah, I kind of would want to know.

[Becky]

It was. It's funny you brought that up, because I found an old iPhone of mine from 2014, and I was trying to get the pictures off of it, and I finally was able to. And there. Obviously, it was the era of us hanging out all the time, so I have so many pictures of us on there, and there's, like, a lot of pictures of. And I was like, are my kids ever gonna ask about, like, who my college girlfriend was or, like, who I dated before their mom? And, like, how, like, will they be interested in my life before them at all? I don't know. Like, do you, like, do kids ask that? Are kids curious?

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah, yeah, they'll ask questions. But I'm also. It's something that has come up. They've seen it online. If. If Bex doesn't see it online or it doesn't come up organically, he might not ask. So that might be a factor is, like, you know, what is going to pique his interest about that? But, like. Yeah, I mean, I. Oh, I asked my mom all kinds of stuff as a kid. Like, I just wanted to know everything. She never told me she was married before my dad. She never told. Like. Like, so when I found out, I was, like, shocked. And my uncle was like, you didn't know? And I was like, no. So it's. I don't know.

[Becky]

Like, maybe that's why I never asked my parents because, like, I knew their first. They both were married before they got married, and I knew them. So, like, in my mind, I already had some of that, like, history for them.

[Angie Hicks]

Okay. That's fascinating to me because I'm like, out of all the. Like, I asked my mom about her drug use. I asked my mom about everything my mom's sister dying when she was in high school. Like I asked everything and she'll always say she would always tell me stuff but she never mentioned that she was married before my dad. She never. I found out when my grandma died. Like a full blown wedding. Not like a courthouse shotgun ass type of thing. Right? Like not. Yeah, they're all. I'm just saying, like she, it was like a full wedding with a cake and a ceremony.

[Becky]

Like she had a full life.

[Angie Hicks]

Yeah, with a man. My uncle said he was a good guy. So I'm like, well what the happened? And also he was taller than her. So like why would you, why would you give me a short ass gene pool? Like what?

[Becky]

Susie, if you're listening to this comment down below.

[Angie Hicks]

Susie, if you're listening to this, we want to interview you. Yes, please, somebody tell Susie we need to come find her. And she also take 23 and me and ancestry before anything before she dies. Just like Raymond did. Please.

[Becky]

Well, there you have it folks.

[Angie Hicks]

Cool beans. Love that so much.

[Becky]

We will be recording in LA next time next time for a couple episodes.

[Angie Hicks]

So I'm excited for that. We'll be in LA next recording in person, which is nice. I always love recording with you in person way more than online, so that'll be fun. And then we take Red Eyes home.

[Becky]

Are you on the similar time flight?

[Angie Hicks]

Yes.

[Becky]

Sick.

[Angie Hicks]

Sick.

[Becky]

Nice. And then I fly right high home, sleep, get my ass to the city for three flights. The next day same.

[Angie Hicks]

I get home from LA and drive straight to New York.

[Becky]

You might as well just fly into New York.

[Angie Hicks]

I know, but my flight was already booked so I'll just drive. We'll leave our and I'd rather have my car in New York anyway so I can drive home.

[Becky]

Yeah, true, true, true. All right, well, love you guys. Thanks for listening. Don't forget to get tour tickets. Don't forget to listen to for the haters. I have some good episodes coming up, so.

[Angie Hicks]

All right, see ya.

[Becky]

Love you.

[Angie Hicks]

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[Becky]

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