Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter

Episode: When TikTok Meets Teen Mom With Enrique
Air Date: December 2, 2025
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Episode Overview

In this lively and laugh-filled episode, Kail and Becky are joined by Enrique, a Chicago-based TikTok creator with a deep love for reality TV and all things "Teen Mom." Together, they unpack what it’s like to grow up on camera, how the lines blur between reality and storytelling, the impact of fame on friendships and mental health, and, of course, share plenty of pop culture and personal hot takes. True to the name "Karma & Chaos," the trio weaves through hilarious confessions, personal growth, and moments of nostalgia, offering fans candid clarity on reality TV myths, friendship turbulence, and the joys and hardships behind the curtain.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Meet Enrique: From TikTok to the Podcast Chair

• [00:32] Enrique shares his background:
  • 31 years old, openly gay, lives in Chicago.
  • Became known on TikTok for covering reality TV drama and engaging with personalities and fandoms—his “chisme” (Spanish for "tea") lives and updates became a hit.
  • Developed a soft spot for "Teen Mom" and reality TV, seeing these shows as a kind of alternate family he grew up with.
• Memorable Quote:
  • “I was raised by MTV.” — Enrique, [02:22]

2. The Creation of 'Teen Mom': Casting & Production Realness

• Casting Stories [04:33]:
  • Kail recalls applying to MTV after seeing an open casting call for "16 and Pregnant." Producers required detailed video submissions, interviews, and psych evaluations.
  • Not all cast members were recruited the same way; some were scouted, others applied directly.
• Voiceovers & Narrative Control [06:01]:
  • Kail explains that cast members did not write their voiceover scripts, leading to frustration when asked to narrate events inaccurately for the show’s narrative.
  • Quote:
    • “There was always information in the voiceovers that was not accurate...we needed to say it in order for the scenes to make sense to the viewers.” — Kail, [06:16]

3. Reality vs. Scripted TV: Breaking Down the Process

• [08:01] Kail clarifies that “Teen Mom” was mostly unscripted but often required reenactments of significant events missed by the cameras.
• Becky Adds [11:43]:
  • Producers would prompt friends (like Becky) to ask specific questions to spur storylines, often about drama from a month ago, forcing cast members to relive situations for TV.
  • Quote:
    • “The events themselves are never fake. It's just out of order.” — Becky, [11:46]
    • “The amount of times I've seen Kail rip off her mic and be like, I'm fucking done.” — Becky, [12:52]

4. Emotional Toll: Mental Health and Personal Growth

• [16:09] Kail and Becky both reflect on how participating in a pioneering, high-profile show affected mental health.
  • Quote:
    • “You have to be mentally ill to agree to be on reality TV. And I am, in fact, mentally ill.” — Kail, [17:13]
• Kail describes the compounded trauma of living dramatic events, reliving them for filming, and then again during reunion specials and broadcasts.
  • Quote:
    • “I'm traumatized from it happening in real life. I'm traumatized from you bringing it up a month later...and I'm traumatized from re-watching it again.” — Kail, [13:05]

5. On Dr. Drew and Reunion Episodes

• [14:18] Amid fan criticisms, Kail defends Dr. Drew:
  • He simply hosts reunion shows with help from producers, but off-camera, he checked in on Kail during her lowest points and mental health struggles.
  • Quote:
    • “Dr. Drew called me on a regular basis to make sure I was okay. In real life, off camera, unscripted. And nobody knew.” — Kail, [15:07]

6. Friendship Dynamics and Fame

• [19:50] Becky addresses misconceptions that she only befriended Kail for clout, admitting that both genuine care and the perks of proximity to fame can coexist.
• Both discuss how attention-seeking, self-awareness, and personal boundaries shape their adult friendships—highlighting the difference between fleeting ‘TV friends’ and lasting ones.
  • Quote:
    • “Two things can be true at once. Like, I love the attention that I got from being friends with Kail. But, like, I also loved and cared for her as a person and as a friend simultaneously.” — Becky, [20:00]

7. Chaos & Pop Culture: Smash or Pass, Red Flags, and Scissoring

• [20:47] Enrique rates Kail’s ‘baby dads’ in a cheeky “Smash or Pass” segment:
  • Joe: Pass, Javi: Smash (as long as he’s quiet), Chris: Smash, Elijah: Smash.
  • Laugh-out-loud moment:
    • “I like men that look like they cheat for a living.” — Kail, [23:58]
• [24:32] The trio banter about their romantic ‘red flags’ and quirks, with frank admissions about attraction, orientation, and private jokes.
• [27:20] Discussion on scissoring (whether lesbians actually do it, and how common it is), sprinkled with humor and candid sexual identity insights.

8. Addressing Parasocial Narratives, Co-parenting, & Internet Drama

• [29:21] Enrique asks about internet drama and co-parenting, including recent talk involving Janelle from “Teen Mom.”
• Kail draws a clear line between her own choices in love and parenting and those made by other cast members—especially in how she prioritizes her kids.
  • Quote:
    • “The difference is that...I would not choose men over my children. Where we have seen Janelle choose men over her children.” — Kail, [30:22]
• Kail also addresses the claim she treats her children differently based on their fathers, explaining her nuanced approach.

9. Kail’s Evolution & Becky’s Perspective

• [38:48] Becky reflects on seeing Kail settle into a mellower, more family-oriented “version of herself,” shedding off much of the overwhelming drama from earlier years and focusing on business and motherhood.
  • Quote:
    • “I think that this version of Kail is my favorite version of Kail, and it just kind of grows every year.” — Becky, [35:48]

10. Navigating New Friendships Under the Shadow of Reality TV Fame

• [38:35] Kail discusses her reluctance to make new friends, wariness of people’s intentions, and lessons learned by contrast with castmate Chelsea, who had a solid pre-TV support system.
  • Quote:
    • “Now...I keep people at a distance for a really, really long time before I consider them a friend.” — Kail, [39:19]

11. Fan Q&A, Lighthearted Moments, & ‘Karma or Chaos’ Story

• [51:25] Fun hypotheticals: If Kail and Becky could fill a car for a Teen Mom road trip, who’d be invited, and what roles would each take?
• [56:10] ‘Karma or Chaos’ listener story: A family tricks a difficult relative by giving her dog ashes instead of human ones.
  • Reactions: Big laughs, and consensus: pure karma.
• Personal Favorites:
  • Becky shares her love for Crown Apple, Kail’s drink is simply “Coke” (not that Coke), and everyone laments their embarrassing reading-out-loud moments on the podcast.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Enrique on TikTok and Teen Mom Fandom:

  • “I'm unlocking every character, every person that she [Simi] knows. People, like, in the deep cuts, and I'm like, oh, this is insane.” [01:48]

• Kail on Reality TV’s Toll:

  • “If you asked MTV or any of the producers for mental health support...they would set you up with somebody. I don't know that therapy could ever heal the damage that has been done from being on reality tv.” [16:41]

• On Dr. Drew:

  • “He’s literally showing up to do a job...when I hit my rock bottom depression...Dr. Drew called me on a regular basis to make sure I was okay in real life.” [15:07]

• Friendship Realness:

  • “You are self-aware surrounding that whole situation. But, like, I also know that you care about me as a person where, like, other people...I know that they don't actually care about me outside of surface level.” — Kail to Becky [20:21]

• Hilarious Confession:

  • “Why am I letting my kid piss in a bottle? ... I just know that the owner saw this transpire.” — Kail, on her banned-from-local-Indian-restaurant story [48:16]

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Enrique’s Intro, TikTok Chisme: [00:32–02:56]
• Teen Mom Casting & Voiceover Process: [04:33–07:45]
• Scripted vs. Real Life in Reality TV: [08:01–13:05]
• Dr. Drew and Reunion Dynamics: [14:18–15:44]
• Mental Health & Reality TV: [16:09–17:22]
• Friendships and Fame: [19:50–20:47]
• Smash or Pass, Red Flags: [20:55–24:44]
• Scissoring & Sex Ed Q&A: [27:00–28:20]
• Dealing with Janelle and Internet Critics: [29:21–32:28]
• Growth & Life After Teen Mom: [38:48–41:53]
• Kail Navigates New Friendships: [38:35–41:10]
• Karma or Chaos Listener Story: [56:10–57:28]
• Lighthearted Drinking & Chicago Chat: [43:13–47:16]

Conclusion

This episode of Karma & Chaos highlights the authentic behind-the-scenes reality of being a public figure from youth to adulthood. Kail and Becky, with special guest Enrique, strip away the glamor of reality TV, offering vulnerable self-reflection, hilarious banter, and clarifying truths about production, friendship, and motherhood. With a blend of humor, insight, and honesty, this episode is a must-listen for any reality TV fan or anyone curious about the real lives behind the reality screen.

Where to Find the Guests:

• Enrique: TikTok @eseenriquee | Instagram @aenriqueeeeee

Signature Outtake:

• “I think I blacked out this whole time. I don’t know what I said. I’m just, like, grateful. And I love y’all. I support it.” — Enrique, [58:54]