BRAZILIAN ENERGY WITH ACTRESS/COMEDIAN JADE CATTA-PRETTA

Summary

Kat on the Loose
Episode Title: Brazilian Energy with Actress/Comedian Jade Catta-Pretta
Host: Kat Zammuto
Guest: Jade Catta-Pretta
Date: April 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and candid episode, Kat Zammuto welcomes back actress and comedian Jade Catta-Pretta for an unfiltered conversation about change, heritage, and self-discovery. The two Brazilian-born women share laughs and real talk about Jade’s return to Brazil, exploring identity across cultures, and navigating career and love transitions. From the highs and lows of showbiz in LA to embracing the spontaneity and spirituality of Rio, this episode is packed with warmth, humor, and authentic life lessons.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up & Looking Back

Timestamps: 00:31 – 03:20

• The last podcast episode together was recorded in 2022, back when Kat was “just winging it,” and Jade hadn’t yet moved to Rio.
• Both reflect on how dramatically their lives have changed—especially Jade’s identity journey and Kat’s recovery from heartbreak.
• Jade describes the evolution from a “super hot, live-in boyfriend” to realizing she needed something more aligned with her true self.

“For so long, I wanted someone who was like a ride or die, like a gentleman… and he was all those things. And I still felt like something was missing for me. That’s when I really had to investigate my sexuality.” – Jade (03:21)

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2. Journey of Self-Discovery & Sexuality

Timestamps: 03:21 – 09:14

• Jade openly discusses her breakup, her realization about her bisexuality, and eventual transition to dating women.
• Explores the intensity and challenges of her first significant relationship with a woman, including maintaining privacy when one partner is not in the public eye.
• Kat and Jade swap stories about unhealthy relationship patterns, with both expressing a desire to move away from “fixing” partners.

“He just didn’t have, like, a vagina and stuff, you know? No, I’m just kidding.” – Jade, joking about her ex-boyfriend (03:09)

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3. Comedy, Career Setbacks, and Reinvention

Timestamps: 04:39 – 05:59; 09:41 – 11:14

• Jade recounts the ups and downs of her TV hosting career (“The Soup,” “Hotties”), and the disappointment when “Hotties” was not renewed.
• Both reflect on the pressure and vulnerability of performing standup, especially the challenge of doing it in Portuguese in Brazil.
• Discuss the differences in comedic style and cultural references between American and Brazilian audiences.

“Here I’m like a very confident sort of like dyke energy on stage. And then there I’m sort of like, I’m lost… like a completely different persona.” – Jade (11:28)

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4. Brazilian Roots and Family Ties

Timestamps: 13:14 – 14:44; 15:05 – 15:46

• Jade shares moving experiences reconnecting with family in Rio and São Paulo, describing emotional reunions and the magic of rediscovering her Brazilian heritage.
• Explains the immigrant distance that affected extended family relationships, and how returning to Brazil helped “unlock” a lost sense of belonging.

“It unlocks something in us. Like, I think all the cousins, we all felt… We were very close as kids, and we all got separated.” – Jade (14:45)

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5. The Comedy and Content Scene in Brazil

Timestamps: 15:14 – 16:52

• Discussion about the booming standup and influencer scene in Brazil—contrary to Kat’s assumptions, it’s now a major industry with huge followings and major venues.
• Jade’s plans to help Brazilian creatives connect with American brands, leveraging her bicultural background.

“Stand up comedy is about 21 years old in Brazil… These comics have millions of followers. They’re doing theaters.” – Jade (15:33)

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6. Culture, Conservatism & The Media

Timestamps: 17:40 – 20:29

• The two dissect Brazil’s contradictory reputation as both open/carnival culture and a deeply conservative Catholic society.
• Noting evolving depictions of LGBTQ+ people in mainstream media, Jade celebrates seeing the first major lesbian scene on a popular telenovela.

“She becomes a lesbian on the show… and the very first lesbian sex scene ever done on GL Global happens with her girlfriend. It was a big deal.” – Jade (19:29)

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7. LA vs. Brazil: Energy, Vibes, and Lifestyle

Timestamps: 21:20 – 25:01; 28:08 – 31:01

• Contrast between the grind and comparison culture of LA and the spiritual, “living to work” approach of Brazil.
• Jade shares a transformative solo hiking story in Bahia—getting physically stuck on a climb, overcoming fear, and finding symbolic “signs” (health, courage, art) at the summit.
• Both muse on what it means to truly feel “at home,” and the emotional complexity of returning to Brazil after trauma.

“It was just this very, like, spiritual moment in my life that I’ll never forget.” – Jade (30:41)

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8. Identity, Privilege, and Belonging

Timestamps: 31:13 – 32:32

• Reflect on privilege, fluidity, and the unique “third culture” identity that comes from being both Brazilian and American.
• How Jade’s bisexuality and open family support set her apart from many with more conservative upbringings.

“I feel very blessed… I’m just trying to find where I belong, which is kind of my journey.” – Jade (32:17)

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9. Gender, Comedy & Industry Challenges

Timestamps: 21:55 – 22:57

• Discussion on the male-dominated nature of comedy in both the US and Brazil, and the struggle for women standups to be recognized.
• Importance of self-worth independent of industry accolades.

“The actuality is, like, they’re very toxic, they’re very competitive.” – Jade (22:10)

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10. Friendship, Support & Cultural Differences

Timestamps: 39:53 – 42:49

• Warmth and generosity of Brazilian friendships compared to the more transactional or guarded social norms in LA.
• Kat and Jade both express nostalgia for the “open arms” culture of Brazil and the genuine support during tough times.

“Everyone’s like, sleep over… Do you want to take a shower? I have clothes, like, extra clothes for you.” – Jade (40:50)

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11. Finances, OnlyFans, and New Ventures

Timestamps: 43:02 – 44:39

• Jade talks about starting an OnlyFans (used primarily to share comedic content and tame photos), and how earning in dollars supports her life in Brazil.
• Brief conversation about the passing of OnlyFans’ founder, inspiring lessons about living fully and not postponing dreams.

“If I make money on OnlyFans, it’s in dollars. It’s enough to live in Rio right now like that.” – Jade (44:21)

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12. Spirituality, Superstition & Healing

Timestamps: 44:39 – 45:55

• Jade reveals she’s working with a Brazilian spiritual healer/witch named Madonna, and describes common Brazilian superstitions (evil eye charms, makumba rituals).
• The positive impact of being more present and open to energy.

“I wear an evil eye because I think there is a lot of negative energy that people put on you.” – Jade (45:24)

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13. Breakups, Healing, and Self-Love

Timestamps: 46:21 – 47:27

• Both discuss the pain and growth that comes from breakups, and the necessity of prioritizing wellness and inner healing.
• Jade jokes about putting herself on a “love diet” and being open to only organic connections.

“Right now is me loving myself. Healing my inner child and my traumas.” – Jade (46:58)

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14. Creativity, Ambition & The Future

Timestamps: 47:12 – 48:47

• Jade is focusing on completing her documentary, developing a one-woman show, and appreciating creative pursuits that feel nourishing rather than transactional.
• Kat encourages radical vulnerability and authenticity in sharing one’s journey—especially for entertainers.

“People need to laugh, they need a distraction… When you put your real life out there, your audience really appreciates it.” – Kat (48:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “He was perfect. He just didn’t have, like, a vagina and stuff, you know? No, I’m just kidding.” – Jade (03:09)
• “I think people were like, oh, whoa… and I became a little more private too, because she was a very private person, which is unlike me.” – Jade (09:06)
• “Here I’m like a very confident… dyke energy on stage. And then there I’m sort of like, I’m lost.” – Jade (11:28)
• “I want to have my ass out when I go grocery shopping.” – Jade (23:03)
• “If I make money on OnlyFans, it’s in dollars. It’s enough to live in Rio right now like that.” – Jade (44:21)
• “Right now is me loving myself. Healing my inner child and my traumas.” – Jade (46:58)
• “People need to laugh, they need a distraction… When you put your real life out there, your audience really appreciates it.” – Kat (48:22)

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Conclusion

A deeply honest, hilarious, and heartfelt conversation, this episode of Kat on the Loose is a whirlwind of personal reinvention, cultural commentary, and the vital energy of embracing one’s roots. Both Jade and Kat are unafraid to be vulnerable, share their struggles, and celebrate the beauty of Brazilian spontaneity, humor, and warmth. The episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating change, chasing dreams, or simply needing a reminder that it's never too late to follow your gut—wherever in the world it might lead.

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Related Links:

• Jade Catta-Pretta Instagram
• Watch on YouTube: Kat on the Loose Show

Transcript

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in Portuguese. Welcome back to Cat on the Loose. Girl in Portuguese. Jade in English for our American audience. But my, oh, my, time flies.

[B]

I know. It's been forever. I think. When was the last one we did?

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So. Okay, let's rewind the tape.

[B]

Okay.

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In 2022. Wow. I was just like. It was my second year of the show, but it was like the show was so new. It was so discombobulated. I didn't even have a studio. I recording people at the Soho House because the Soho House had a little studio. And you were like, oh, let's do it at the Soho in downtown. You were so cool.

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Oh, yeah.

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And can you believe all this time went by?

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No, I thought it was earlier, actually. I thought it was like 2020, but it was 2022.

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But yeah, again. And this is what I always say, right? So many people, they plan a lot, and I was literally just winging it and having so much fun with it.

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That's the Brazilian way, right?

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Yeah.

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You know, I've been type A for so long, and now that I'm finally. I'm 42 now I'm like, allowing life to sort of like, reveal itself.

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That's hard to believe, by the way. Guys, if you're listening to the audio episode, please go to YouTube. Count on those. Show. You gotta see her face. Like, it's like you're freaking frozen in time. You have the same body, better body. Because I saw your bikini photos in real.

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My butt's getting really good.

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It's like, omg, I want to learn with you. Like, what are you doing?

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You know, I think that what's feeling good for me right now is I'm like, a little bit trauma bonded to LA. I've been here for 20 years, always wanted to be an actress. And I feel like I felt really rejected by the city for a long time.

[A]

That's a huge part of the industry.

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And I think finally transitioning out and like, following my gut to be in Rio for a little bit is just feeling so, like something for myself. I think that's been really invigorating for me. Unlike me, because I'm like, I gotta plan everything and I gotta control everything. And I'm letting go of control a little bit and things are sort of presenting themselves. So hopefully some stuff presents itself in Rio.

[A]

Okay, we'll get there. So let's rewind because, I mean, I really want to have you back for a while. And then I saw that you were moving to Rio. I'm like, I'm. I gotta grab this girl before she disappears from me.

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Perfect timing.

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But back then, our lives were so different.

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It's crazy. I don't even think I was like a big lesbian yet.

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No. So you had a serious super hot living boyfriend.

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I did. I had a Live in. I had a boyfriend who showed up at my apartment and then never left.

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Yeah. So. But. But I thought at the time. So when I met you, I'm. I'm like, this is the dream couple. Oh, he's a great coup. Happy. He's so good looking. You're so good looking. You guys seem like you were madly in love. We were in love.

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Yeah.

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You had. But I mean, it seemed like, okay, this is like almost like a marriage.

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No, he was perfect. He just didn't have like a vagina and stuff, you know? No, I'm just kidding.

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No, but wait, because I want to ask about that transition. You were dating for a long time?

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We were dating for a few. A couple years, yeah.

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What happened?

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I think it just ended. It just was like, you know, I think a lot of relationships happen this way. Where you met during COVID Yeah. Where the situation was really different and. And our lives were just really different. And he was a lovely guy. He's actually. I always say this. Cause they're like, oh, did he turn you gay? And I'm like, actually, in a way, he did. Because I wanted to be that good of a boyfriend to someone. Do you know what I mean? Like, he showed me. Cause for so long, I wanted someone who was like a ride or die, like a gentleman, you know, Attractive, sweet, funny, smart. And he was all those things. And I still felt like something was missing for me. And I think that's when I really had to investigate my sexuality. And.

[A]

But, okay, so. But you guys were living together, right?

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He was living at my place.

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I was actually listening to our first interview.

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I got. I need to do that.

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Because I was like, okay. I had just moved back to L. A from Miami. I was starting my life.

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Yeah.

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Total chaos. I was still like super broke, like trying to make the show, you know, be turned into something. I was dating a dude that was just starting. They turn out to be like the biggest freaking narcissist on the.

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I remember that happening. Yeah. Because we were still friends.

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Yeah. When I went to see your stand up, you did something at the house. A few weeks later you did a comedy show at the Soho.

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That sounds right. Yeah.

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Then the guy broke up with me. But I remember at the time looking, you're like, oh my God, this girl has it all.

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Oh man.

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The hot guy. The Korean.

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I had a show at the time. I had a billboard. Yes. Yeah. No, it's crazy because the soup was. Yeah. Like kind of the pinnacle of everything I kind of wanted here. And it was like not that great of an experience.

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You had that show that people eat spicy chicken. Oh yeah.

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Hotties.

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Hotties.

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Hotties. So the soup had ended already. That's right. And I was hosting a show called Hotties. Was a really good experience.

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And they didn't renew the show.

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They didn't renew the show. Which shock.

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Too bad cuz that's freaking. I thought it was good. I thought it was hill. Basically people eat crazy spicy chicken wings, right?

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No, it's. No. So it's. It's kind of like hot ones. But you go on a date and you have to win like the best date. But during the date we would feed them really spicy stuff and they would

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get out of this little house or something.

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They were in this little like trailer basically because they had to cook. They were cooking during it.

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Yeah.

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It was a really bizarre show concept. But it really worked. And I thought it was so funny and it was so fun to work on. And so I was bummed that that didn't go.

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Who are the producers? Guys bring that show.

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Oh my God. They know. No, they're amazing. They. They worked with me. I'm actually wearing. They gave me an earring when production ended. I'm wearing it right now.

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That's.

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It's a little spicy pepper. See?

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I hope we. We gotta send perfect episodes.

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I know back Bright spot. That's who production company.

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You're doing all these things.

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Yeah.

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And you have this. And I remember we were. We talked about. Because your boyfriend was really hot.

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He was very attractive.

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And I remember. I think I asked you something. Something like. Oh, you know, a lot of girls like after your boyfriend they're looking at. And you were like so chewy. Like whatever. I don't care. He loves me.

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No, he was very Ride or die. He was very loyal.

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So you were the one that broke things up.

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I was the one that broke things off. And then karma just hit me and I just got dumped.

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So that's how it works.

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You guys that.

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Wait, that's not fair. But are you guys still friends?

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Well. Oh, me and my. Yes. All my exes I'm still friends with.

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I wish I could say the same. But now, now, no, because I ended up, like I said, I ended up dating a psycho narcissist. Then another narcissist, you know, I had.

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That's your pattern.

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Had this tendency of dating crazy.

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Do you go. You go for crazy? I go for that. I like want to fix. That's my problem. I'm a fixer.

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I've done that. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm done. I'm retired from that.

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I know. I want to find like a hot girl who's a surfer in Brazil. That's once my, once my heart heals.

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Help me with the transition. Because when I found out you were dating a girl on your insta and I saw that you were madly in love and I'm like, okay, I'm super happy for her, but I gotta talk to her. But again, it seemed like you had together for a long time.

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We were. And it was a very intense.

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But before you say that. So how did you. So you break up with him?

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I break up with Cameron. That's his name.

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Cameron.

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Maybe I shouldn't say his name. Whatever. I break up with my ex.

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You have many Camerons.

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Yeah, super amicable. And I sort of begin this journey of exploring my sexuality because I knew that I, I.

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So you were wondering I was always

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like a little bit gay, like making out with my friends and like everyone knew. Oh, I was very open about like being bi.

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Talk about it. So I didn't know because at the

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time I was with a dude. So I think I like to be less like. Yeah, I love pussy, you know. And so I just chilled that out for a bit while I was with him and I was in love with him. I was in that relationship that very seriously. And when I'm in something, I'm in it. Like I'm not one of those people that I'm just like in it.

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Yeah, same. I'm like a million person.

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It's so Brazilian. Yeah, I'm codependent. So I like it.

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It's probably a bad idea, but yeah, we love with so much passion. Like, I don't know. That's why I rarely date because I don't know how to do anything half ass well.

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But that's why I'm like, oh, My God, I've never dated a Brazilian person. Like, I think that. I don't know, it just might be more of a fit for me.

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So this. Where'd you meet her?

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So I met her at a, like a wagyu beef event, which was really random and it was just a fan.

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She lived here.

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She lived here at the time? Yeah.

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Because for some reason I thought she did because I saw you guys traveled to.

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Yeah, we traveled a lot. Yeah, it was beautiful. I'm very happy with all the experiences and I'm really grateful. But yeah, it just happened, so it's a little raw.

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Yeah. So I don't want to push you.

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No. Yes.

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I didn't want to, you know. I know. Because I know you're still healing and it takes time. Yeah. But I don't want to push into that. I just wanted to ask you, like, because I was kind of not. I don't want to say the word shocked because of course I'm super open minded. I just want people to be happy. But I was like, oh, wow, that's a. Because I saw you with the boyfriend and then the next scene I saw

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you with the girlfriend. I think people were like, oh, whoa. Yeah. And I think I became a little more private too, because she was a very private person, which is unlike me.

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Also, she wasn't in this industry.

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She was not in this industry. And she also, I don't think, loved how open I was. And so that was like a hard balance for me. And I feel like now I'm coming out of that shell a little bit and kind of figuring out, like, where my privacy lies and how much I want to share. And yeah, I'm a little bit of an open book. So I think it was hard because

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I think a big part of being an artist. Right. Like when you're doing your stand up, if you guys never listen to her, her show, it's hilarious.

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Yeah, listen to her. Go find my stand up special.

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It's so like, your. Your skits are so funny. And that's one of the things that I said on the first time I interviewed you. I was, I was actually. My God, Catherine, you were way too honest about it. Because I said, I love comedy because I love to laugh.

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Y.

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Many times I feel bad going to stand up comedy because if the person is not funny, I feel we still go.

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Like, it's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure and I

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don't want to feel bad, but many times they're not funny.

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I never laugh at all. I Hate watching comedy. I know, that's so bizarre. But people are like, have you seen this special? I'm like, I would rather kill a baby.

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I like to watch it. But again, I don't want to be there live because I'm like, what if the person is not funny? And then when I found you, I was like, okay. She's so natural. She's so organic. It doesn't seem like you're memorizing anything. It just comes out of your mouth.

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Oh, man, I gotta get back. I haven't, it's. I haven't been doing as much standup, but I did get to do it in Brazil, which is like a whole new challenge in Portuguese.

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Oh my. How are you with that? Because I could never, like, if you ask me to do the podcast in Portuguese, I'm sure I thought you might

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want to do it. Some Portuguese stuff.

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We can, but I'm sure, like, I know I would not be able to do it as fast and think as clearly.

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Of course I would keep going.

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My brain is, you know, wired. You know, I've been. Been doing shit in English for decades

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and you're hosting and.

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And I forget a lot of English.

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I'm definitely not as articulate. Like, it's frustrating and I think at the end of the day I become a little frustrated because, like, I'm not as verbose, like, I'm not as articulate. I don't have the quickness.

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I gotta watch that. Do you have a video of it?

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Yeah.

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Do you know, like the word? Because a Portuguese guys has a ton of slangs, like Gidias. Yeah. Weird shit. It's a very. That's why it's such a language to

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learn because I'm learning slowly. But I think it's like, that's what's funny in my standup is like I kind of become. Well, here I'm like a very confident sort of like dyke energy on stage. And then there I'm sort of like, I'm lost. Like I've become a completely different Persona because my standup is mostly about being like, sort of mostly American on the outside.

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Yeah.

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And then Brazilian on the inside. Like a little weird Eminem, you know. So.

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Well, you've been here forever longer than me, right?

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I've been here since 1995, so I'm semi gringa, you know?

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Yeah, I've been here before 1995, but I'm way older. I'm 10 years older than you.

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Yeah. So. Yeah, about the same time probably then.

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Queens.com but, yeah, you become, you know, acquainted with the references, too. Like, I didn't know any of the references. And now I'm like, all I watch is novellas. Like, I watched Big Brother Brazil. Like, just because I want to keep up with everybody. Because I got there, I was like,

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who are we talking about? Completely out of town. I swear to God, ever since my mom died in 2017, it was the last time I was in Brazil, and it was definitely the worst days of my life.

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See why you won't go back now?

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My mom died. I was dating a criminal narcissist that Brazilian, don't date Brazilian men. I love Brazilian girls. Yes, but don't date Brazilian men. Because I know there are exceptions, but I always tell my girlfriends, like, don't get dabbled. They're the worst.

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I'll dabble and then I'll. But I won't stay long.

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Yeah, I think they're womanizers by nature. Anyway. It was the culture.

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The culture is different. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So I got so traumatized that I remember when I packed my bags and I came back, I'm like, I don't think I can ever go back there.

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That's how my parents feel. I don't know why, but they're, like, not into it. Like, we're going. My sister's coming for a wedding. She came to visit while I was there for the first time after 30 years, which was, like, very emotional.

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She must have felt like a total foreign.

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No, she felt she loved It. She loved it. It came right back. Her Portuguese is great. And we were with our family, like our cousins, who we hadn't seen in a long time. We went to Rio and then we went to Sao Paulo. She had a civil wedding, one of my cousins. And it was just this, like, it unlocks something in us. Like, I think all the cousins, we all felt. We were very close as kids.

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Yeah.

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And we all got separated.

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Yeah. Tipped apart.

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So. No. But like, we just moved out of nowhere. And then all our family kind of got disconnected, discombobulated because of it. So I think getting everybody together was really important for me. And it was just like. It was magical.

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Yeah, you felt. So when you. After going back, go. You went back after all these years, did you feel at home there? Because I saw your videos on Instagram. You seem super happy there.

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Yeah, I feel really happy there right now. I mean, I don't know where I'll land. I don't know. I have a house in Virginia, so that's my base, but I'm just gonna be a little bit.

[A]

You're gonna wing it in Rio for a while?

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I'm gonna wing it in Rio for a bit. The dream is to start sort of start like an agency there where I help Brazilian comics and influencers sort of connect to American brands.

[A]

So that's one question. It's not like comedy is not a big market down there.

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Is it huge? It is. It's huge.

[A]

Oh, really? See, I'm totally out of the loop.

[B]

Yeah. Stand up comedy is about 21 years old in Brazil, which is crazy.

[A]

Oh, no. They have like the clubs and stuff like that.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I had no idea.

[B]

Yeah. So I don't know if you know Rafi Bastos.

[A]

Yes, he's the one super famous one.

[B]

So I brought him here in 2020 something. I helped him come over here. He has a club there called Comedians that he used to own and now it's owned by other people. But yeah, it's. I mean, these comics have millions of followers. They're doing theaters.

[A]

Oh, wow. I had no idea.

[B]

Yeah, it's very. I mean, the. The influencers there, all the content they're making, it's. I. It's the beginning of something. And I feel like with all I've learned here, I could be really like.

[A]

You can. That's a very good idea. Because I feel that even here, like, if you try to make money on. On social media, it's really hard to figure out who do I trust. Right. If the brands come to us, sure. But I know a lot of people, even actors that I work with, they want to connect with brands and they don't know how to do it because their agencies, quote unquote. But it's like, who do I trust?

[B]

Exactly. And I can actually. And I have.

[A]

John.

[B]

I've been an actor for a long time and I know how to difficult it is and the rejection. And so like, I think I just have that advantage. And I don't know, I'm also auditioning. The dream is to be in a Brazilian film. Brazilian novella, Brazilian commercial.

[A]

I mean, Brazilian film. Look at that, right?

[B]

Look at Vandermura.

[A]

Oscar. It was a super special year. Yeah. Last year and this year. So I have to say that makes me so happy.

[B]

That's what I'm excited. And Brazil, I don't know if you know this, but you know, most cultural things in Brazil are funded by the government. Yes. So I'm working on getting a few grants. I have a documentary I shot that

[A]

is one of the few.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

The Brazilian government does right, by the way.

[B]

And they said Bolsonario.

[A]

They spent well, we need five hours to do a political episode. Because they elect a president, he goes to jail, he goes back, he becomes president again, then they arrest the other. I'm like, okay, that's a whole other show.

[B]

It's a whole other thing. And the administrative stuff is hard. And Brazil, oh my God.

[A]

But they do invest a lot of money in culture. Go figure. They do something, right?

[B]

Yeah. Because like when I lived there in the 90s as a kid, obviously a lot of there was not like Brazilian culture. It was a lot of like American stuff that they would borrow over. Like they were really like obsessed with America now because of social media. There's so much like Brazilian. I don't know, just like they like culture that's coming out of there. They're really proud of the stuff. And that's really good to hear.

[A]

And by the way, for those of you guys listening who are not Brazilian, you talk about the soap operas. Soap opera in Brazil is not like here like a day time thing that only 80 year old ladies watch. So pop in Brazil is massive, right. It's. It's at 8pm and I.

[B]

So they have a 7, 8 and a 9pm they have 3, 3. And like I think the middle one is the most important. But it's funny because everyone makes fun of me because like a lot of young people, the.

[A]

The late one that is like the major one.

[B]

The major one might be the late one. Yeah.

[A]

So I don't remember But I do remember my pair. Like, a lot of people in Brazil, they do this. They're like, oh, you want to go to dinner? Like, like, sure. What time? They say, the Poison of Hella novel after Novella.

[B]

And they're like, really well made. And there I've been watching one called Tres Grasses, and I was kind of, like, bored of it because there's a lot of religion stuff. They were, like, kind of losing me on the God stuff.

[A]

I was like.

[B]

And they do a lot of this thing within Novellas where there's, like, commercials. Yeah. And then there's also, like, government pushed things where they go, like, you know, Brazilian. Brazil is the best manufacturer of cane, sugar cane and Bruno. And you're like, okay, stop trying to force this shit on me.

[A]

She put a few things there.

[B]

But I started watching this novel because I had a crush on one of the actors. I was like, this girl is so hot. She's one of the. Like, she plays this daughter in Tres Grasses.

[A]

Is she famous? What's her name?

[B]

She is now. Because I forget her first name now, but I was just like, she's so hot. I'm gonna keep watching.

[A]

Say her name so we can send her name.

[B]

I forget. I forget her name. But then she got it. She becomes a lesbian on the show. She comes out as a lesbian, and then she has a girlfriend. And then the very first lesbian sex scene ever done on GL Global happens with her girlfriend. It was a big deal. And I was like, I knew I. I knew. I love this show for a reason.

[A]

Big deal. Because also Brazil. And I think that's another really funny thing about it. It's people think, right? Especially people that have never been to Brazil. They think everybody's topless on the beach. Which is not true.

[B]

No, you're not.

[A]

We don't try topless.

[B]

I've tried.

[A]

So we don't have topless beaches in Brazil whatsoever.

[B]

Passes are out, though. They're looking good.

[A]

No, because the Brazilian bikini is great. You have. However. Yeah. People have this image, right. Because of carnival and everything. But it's a very, very Catholic country.

[B]

And conservative, I would say. They're conservative in many ways.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah. Like Anita, you know, who is, like, sort of representative of Brazilian culture. I think a lot of people look down on it and they're like, well, you know, she's not all of us. And I'm like, yes, she is. Let's go.

[A]

She's one of the top line. I love hers in the world. I think she has, like. I don't know how Many hundreds of millions of followers. Oh yeah, I love her.

[B]

She's incredible.

[A]

And she sings in English, she sings in Spanish, she's fantastic.

[B]

And she came here and started becoming sort of big in America and then was like, you know what? I don't want to live there, I don't want to work there.

[A]

Oh, really? Is that what happened?

[B]

Yeah. And so I think she got a little bit of a taste of what this industry is actually like, which I think happens to a lot of us.

[A]

Well, look, I think that obviously for a lot of Brazilian artists, right, you are massive, massive, massive in Brazil. And then you come here and you, you find some success, but you're never going to find the same success. So I think a lot of them for that reason end up saying, oh, this was a great experience, but why am I going to be like this tiny fish in this big pond? Right. I'm going to.

[B]

Also there's so much like, yeah, there's like politics that within other places and I don't know why we do this thing where we romanticize America in this way where it's like, oh, I haven't really made it unless like I made it in America.

[A]

Well, it is the biggest entertainment industry in the world.

[B]

Yeah. But at the same time, same time, it's like there's so much more than that to me now. Like, I obviously wanted this and wanted, wish I could have won an Oscar. Wish, you know, hey, never say never, girl.

[A]

You know, 42 years.

[B]

However, this path of being here and the rhythm and how the industries really change, it's been traumatic and it's for

[A]

a lot of people. Yeah.

[B]

And I'm sort of still healing from, you know, and I've been in comedy for 17 years. Like I started at the Comedy Store, like, you know, and people glorify these places but the actuality is like they're very toxic, they're very competitive.

[A]

Toxic in what way?

[B]

It's mostly men.

[A]

It is. We did talk about that, by the way, because I asked him like it's a, it is a male dominated industry comedy. Right. Which this is one of the reasons why I love when I find a really great kick ass woman comedian. Because I think it's so rare.

[B]

I think so. No. And I love more now, obviously when I started it was like, there is marvel.

[A]

But still, if you ask anybody, like tell me one big famous, maybe they know one like, okay, Nikki Glazer. It's very rare, but it's very rare. Very rare.

[B]

I think. Yeah. And I think this opportunity for me is just like figuring out some self worth that has nothing to do with industry validation. And yeah, like I was kind of living to work versus working to live

[A]

and which is what we, most of us do here. It's just the daily grind.

[B]

Yeah. I just want to be like in a canoe in the ocean in the morning. That's what I want to do. I want to have my ass out when I go grocery shopping.

[A]

Like, yeah, that's who I. I saw your videos and I haven't been to Rio again in many, many years, but I saw your videos. I'm like, oh, yeah. That's one really nice thing about being down there. Because it's such in Rio. Sao Paulo is not. Sao Paulo is like New York.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

All the work is in Sao Paulo. So it's like, I'm gonna have to be going back and forth.

[A]

They. They all say, right? I don't. I think it is comparable to New York and la.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For those of you guys never been to Brazil, like New Yorkers think like, o people that work in the United States, we're so cool. Right. They always. I go to New York for 24 hours and it stresses me out for like a year because they are all so moody. They're love New York. I do too. But I can only put up with it for a few hours.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think I could. I. We were. I was just about to move there again and I like the thought of it is very overwhelming.

[A]

And that's how I feel when I'm down. And I was born in Sao Paulo, by the way.

[B]

Same.

[A]

But when I arrive at that airport, which is 10 million miles away from the city and between the airport and the city, it's one of the dirtiest rivers in the world. And believe me, hurts me to say that. It hurts me. And I'm like, this is one. This is the second largest city in the world or third largest city.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know it. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. Sao Paulo has like 25 million people. It's massive. And I'm like, I cannot believe they don't fix the freeway from the major international airport going into town. Right. So it depresses me, makes me sad.

[B]

Oh, I like it. You come in, there's all this graffiti.

[A]

I'm like, but you see the favelas. Favelas are the slums and the poor people. It just breaks my heart.

[B]

It does. But you know, it's. I think, I think it's at least they, they, they're it is what it is. I don't know. I can't defend the economy of Brazil.

[A]

But as when you go to Rio, like I saw in your videos, you're walking around a bikini, you go to the beach. And of course the. The vibe and the beaches there are gorgeous, insane.

[B]

I can't handle the ocean. I was in Bahia too, which like.

[A]

Oh, my sister has a little hotel there. Where. Oh my God.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Tell me. I will go. Oh, you have to go. It's a tiny, tiny, little pristine place near. I forget the names near there, but it used to be a native little. That's where my sister and each bungalow is a little hotel room.

[B]

Karaiva. If you guys go one place.

[A]

But you know, my sister did. She used to live in Sao Paulo. Grinding, grinding, grinding. She owned. She. She was the owner of a huge company that organized massive events.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And when Covid hit, she didn't have work and anything. She was like, fuck this shit. Because she used to spend vacations in Karai. But she went there, I love it. And she bought this little hotel and she's raising her kid there and she's like, dude, she's never been happier.

[B]

Yeah, that's where it's kind of happening to me. I'm like, it is magical. Yeah. Like the grind is just too grindy for me. And like, I just. It's so weird because, you know, you feel these energetic pulls, but then we kind of ignore them. Ignore them. But when I was in Karaifa, in Aya, I went hiking by myself and everyone was like, don't do this hike by yourself.

[A]

Why? But it's really safe up there, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's an island, so it's like. And it's it. This one guy that's like from the island was like, I don't want to scare you, but basically, like, if anybody robs you, they'll get killed. Like, it's very looked down upon. So it's very safe, those islands.

[A]

But you know, which by the way, is very different from Rio.

[B]

Yes, Rio is very dangerous. Don't be a dumbass. Don't walk around like la la on your cell phone.

[A]

You cannot even take your cell phone to the beach, right?

[B]

I would take my cell phone. I take my cell phone to the beach. I just don't leave it on out, you know, it's like any major city.

[A]

That's another thing too, how you don't. Because you've been here for so many years. Doesn't it bother you when you're down there and you're like, oh, am I gonna be robbed? I gotta be looking.

[B]

Yeah. No, it's just, I think I'm like that everywhere. Like, I'm just huge. Yeah. Like, I'm constantly like, hey, like, I

[A]

am too a little paranoid. But I am paranoid because of Brazil

[B]

for a good reason. No, I think you should watch your. When you're in public. And you know what?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You could get robbed anywhere in the world. I don't like that. People are like, it's so dangerous. You know, it's like, just don't go to the favela.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With your jewelry on, like, la, la, la. You know? I don't.

[A]

Yeah. Look, I, I, I'm so happy that you're connecting back with Brazil. I really am. But I'm the worst person on the planet to talk about Brazil because I hate it.

[B]

You're like my parents.

[A]

I was robbed down there. I have all that trauma. I have like a million traumas. And then like I said, my mom died. I was dating a dude that I knew since I was a child. He wasn't someone that I met like on the streets. He was my best friend. He was my attorney and everything. And he's so like, oh, my God, a ton of money from me. He ran away down there. Like, you have no idea.

[B]

I'm so sorry.

[A]

So my memories of Brazil, that's. I'm happy to talk to someone who brings something positive about it because I'm like, okay, I, I don't think in my lifetime I can fix my trauma about it.

[B]

Hey, you never know. You know, I just something about it. Yeah. Like, so I went on this hike and I kind of got stuck. And I was like, fuck, I'm this how I die.

[A]

How'd you get stuck?

[B]

So I was, Everyone was like, maybe don't go alone. I'm like, I got this. I hike, you know, And I'm in a bikini and Tas. And I have a bag.

[A]

Tas.

[B]

Tas is like that lesbian shoe that ties up. Like, you know, they're just like flat shoe, like sandals, whatever. Les, by the way, they don't tell them in Brazil. I was like looking everywhere. They're like, go back to America for those slippers.

[A]

And I was like, you should take a bunch in your suitcase.

[B]

Basically. I've become so much more minimalistic list since I've lived there too. Like, I have, I need bikini, 20 bikinis, two cover ups, a pant and a sweater.

[A]

Yeah. In Rio.

[B]

In Rio. Not a Sao Paulo. Sao Paulo's Freezing.

[A]

Okay, but how did you get out of your hike?

[B]

So I get up there, and I. I'm with these two, like, Argentinian girls, and they're kind of behind me, so I'm like, okay. If I go on this hike and I scream, they'll hear me. So I felt kind of safe. So I'm climbing, and I'm like, wait, is this a hike? Because it's becoming, like, a little too difficult, and it doesn't seem like it's a path anymore. But I was so far up already. I was like, I'm doing this. And I had a bag, and so I threw it all the way up to the top because I was like, I'll get it. Because it was hard to climb with it. Like, I'm climbing at this point, and I get my foot in this little tiny hole, and I put my other foot up, and I'm like, I'm stuck.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Like, I cannot climb anywhere else. Like, I'm stuck. Like, I couldn't get my foot up. And then I see a rope, and it's just far away enough that I can't grab it, and I'm like, oh, my God. This is my life right now. Literally, like, I can see the rope and I can see the headlines. Dumb Brazilian girl who's lived in America for 20 years. Dead ass out in a mountain. And I'm just there. I'm not exaggerating. Like, 20 minutes, and I can't think of the word sokohu, which is for help.

[A]

Help.

[B]

Even if I said help, it would have been fine. But I was like, you need to calm yourself down and, like, breathe and figure it out. And I found this little tiny stub, and I put my left foot on it, and I climbed up, and I got up to the top of the mountain. I'm shaking, and I'm like. And I'm like, oh. And then I just start bawling. And as you know, my relationship was pretty much ending at that point, and I think I was aware.

[A]

And you guys were together for a long time, right?

[B]

Yeah. And so we were. I was up there, and it was. I think it was just something I needed to figure out by myself. And. And then I was just up there forever because I was like, how am I getting down?

[A]

How'd you get down?

[B]

It's on my ass, basically.

[A]

Because nobody was gonna find you.

[B]

No, nobody was gonna find me. I'll show you the video of when I got up there. I filmed it, and it was just this really beautiful kind of. I don't Know, like a moment that needed to kind of happen to prove to myself that, like, I'm okay alone and.

[A]

And don't do crazy like that alone.

[B]

And don't do crazy again. And then when I came down in Bahia, there's all these little signs that they put on trees and stuff. It's like a very spiritual place. And the first thing that I see is good health. It's all in Portuguese, obviously, but the first is like, Saudi. I'm like, okay, yes, I want that. And then the second one said courage.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

And then I was like, okay. And then the third one said art. And I was just like, what the fuck? Like, where are these signs coming from? So it was just this very, like, spiritual moment in my life that I'll never forget. And I used to go to Bahia as a kid, so I went to all the places I used to go as a kid and reconnected with people there.

[A]

It is really beautiful. It's a great place for vacation.

[B]

Yeah. I think I could actually, like, see myself living in a Haiao.

[A]

So that's kind of cool. I'm gonna connect with my sister, go there.

[B]

She might be in Tranquoso too. That's another little place.

[A]

She's in Caraiva.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[A]

Yeah, but so when you. Did your family know that you were bisexual?

[B]

They knew, so they went to school for musical theater.

[A]

So they were all super supportive.

[B]

Oh, yeah. They didn't care. When I, like, finally was dating, I was like, I'm a lesbian. They're like, huh? I'm like, no big deal.

[A]

That's really nice. Because that's another thing. In Brazil, not all families are like that at all.

[B]

No, actually in this novella of Brazil,

[A]

it's so bizarre because the carnival and half naked women and the tiny bikinis and the beaches, but at the same time, it's such a conservative.

[B]

It's conservative. Yeah, it is. You eat pizza with that knife and fork.

[A]

Yeah. I've had friends. I know, that's so funny, right? I've had friends that. That are gay and that moved from Brazil because their families were like, oh my God, I'm gonna kill you. I don't accept. Yikes.

[B]

No, I'm very lucky. I'm very lucky. I'm very privileged in a lot of ways too, because. Because although I feel lost all the time because I'm Brazilian, American, I also can blend in kind of anywhere you

[A]

speak the language, the languages.

[B]

I have two passports, so I feel very blessed. And I know I'm very privileged to have this fluidity, but yeah, I'm just trying to find where I belong, which is kind of my journey.

[A]

I think it's our journey.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think it's for everybody. Life is his phases. That's what I've learned in my journey. I've been here, been there, been there. And it's so funny because now that I'm here in Beverly Hills and I am never leaving.

[B]

You're such a Beverly Hills girl.

[A]

I was dating. I was d. I was dating. I was interviewed this relationship expert and she kept saying to me, like, if you find someone you love, you're gonna change your mind. And I'm like, no, I'm not. She's like, yes, you were. And I'm like, no, I'm not.

[B]

Did you change your mind?

[A]

I'm never going to change my mind. I've already done that. I got married to a guy that dragged me to Vegas, to Miami.

[B]

La da da da.

[A]

My husband loved Brazil more than me. And he wasn't Brazilian. He was from Boston and he was obsessed with Brazil. So we kept going back.

[B]

That's where I'm at. I'm just obsessed.

[A]

Yeah. So I think it's like if you. You have to find your happy, you have to find your happy place.

[B]

Yeah. And I was about to move to New York, which is crazy, which is something I think deep down I didn't want to do. But. But I love love.

[A]

Like I love love.

[B]

My parents are still together. They've been through a lot. They've fought to be together.

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[B]

yeah.

[A]

And what. But what do they think about you if you say, I'm moving to Rio?

[B]

They're not. They're not, like, super psyched about Rio, but I have a house in Virgin. They're there, so I get to see them. Like, yeah, whenever I come back. And I have my niece and my nephew, and I'm very close with my sister. I don't think I can be away from her.

[A]

Your sister is in Virginia?

[B]

Yeah, we're neighbors, actually. I bought the house next to her.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's not moving down there?

[B]

She wishes. I mean, her.

[A]

What does she do?

[B]

She works for an architectural company. She does their marketing department. She's in there. She is their marketing department, basically. But she's an artist and the dream is to, like, design her own things.

[A]

And, yeah, she shouldn't move there, but young kids. I saw you did a video like, you. I don't know, you said something like this. Like, oh, you know, everybody wants to move to the United States, and the United States is so overrated. I don't know. Because usually it's the other way around. Everybody's dying there should come here.

[B]

Everybody's like, what's it like to work with this guy and this guy? I'm like, it's fine. It's whatever. I don't care. Like, yes. There's so much stuff in the industry I still want to do. Oh, my God, of course. Like, I wish I was on a show right now on Netflix, you know?

[A]

Well, you can be there, like, because you're in a phase of exploring what's going on. So you can still be there and you can still audition. You have. You still have your manager here.

[B]

Of course. Of course.

[A]

Yeah. They know where you are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I had to.

[B]

I had to break up with. Well, not break up with. Tell my commercial agent today, which was

[A]

very difficult, that you're going to be there.

[B]

Yeah. He was like, you sure? You sure? Look, we got you an audition as soon as you got back. I'm like, I know, I know, I know.

[A]

And I think because now most auditions are back in person.

[B]

Well, yeah, for commercials. They're Back in person. And I actually today had my. What will be probably my last audition in LA for a bit.

[A]

So let's say if you got a job.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Here.

[B]

I'd be here temporarily. Yes. So you will.

[A]

So you are open?

[B]

Of course I'm open to any. I'm letting the universe sort of take me and.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I think that just being in California full time, it wasn't good for my mental health anymore. But, yeah, I walked away from the audition today like, I'm not gonna miss that anymore. And then I started crying and I was like, I am gonna miss it. I've gone on over a thousand commercial auditions in my life.

[A]

Ah, sister, welcome to the call.

[B]

Over a thousand. And I've booked 50 national commercials. So I feel like that's a pretty good run.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Success rate.

[A]

But I still feel that, obviously, I think in your soul, you're. You are a comedian and you're fantastic at what you do. You're just naturally, organically funny. That's one thing that we talked about. Because I personally don'. Believe. I know some people, they try to be funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're like, I'm gonna be, you know, I'm gonna do comedy and I'm gonna try. And I. I think the audience notices if they are trying.

[B]

Oh. Like, they can feel it.

[A]

Yeah. I think, I think there's a. If you're funny, you're just freaking funny. Like, stuff comes out of your mouth, you know, it's just your vibe. I don't think you can teach someone to be funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like, either.

[B]

You can teach someone to be a good writer.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But.

[A]

But you still, like, if you're rehearsing too much, if you're trying too hard, it's, you know, at some point it's gonna fall flat. People don't notice, but in your case, you just organically do it. It just comes from you.

[B]

Yeah. I hope to keep doing. Obviously, like, doing it in Portuguese is a whole new challenge and it's so exciting. And there's a few people there in Brazil that are like, kind of the same as me. There's this girl named Brigic. She. Her handle is Meo. Brazilian.

[A]

I like the.

[B]

The Bridget, but you just Bridget doing shade. And she's from Texas, but she speaks better Portuguese than me. She's having this huge moment. And there's this guy named Paul. He's this French guy who's in Brazil. There's this Angolan guy. So it's like, I think there's a little bit of a trend of people coming out, you know, from the outside coming in. And so I'm just hoping to ride that train and. Which is a natural experience for me, reintroducing myself. Like, I'm not forcing any of it. Like, I'm like, what is this drink? I have never had it, you know.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. But do you have something planned there already? Do you have shows, anything coming out?

[B]

I have some shows. I have some of the things that are in. In the works. Yeah, I'm gonna be opening for a few big comedians while I'm there. Just get.

[A]

Okay, so you just got there and you're already rocking and rolling?

[B]

Yeah. I went 10 years ago and filmed a documentary about going back to Brazil. And then I actually ended up meeting like every comedian.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Because it was a very small community at the time. And so those guys I've known for 10 years, they were open micrs. Now they're like famous theater comics. And they're all so helpful and supportive and. And you can really feel the difference of how people are there versus here. So I think I was just needing a little bit of, like, Brazilian tlc.

[A]

I hear you.

[B]

I also went through my breakup there and, you know, these friends had to, like, be there for me. They didn't have a choice.

[A]

Like, so you have a good support system down there? I do. That is one thing that I, you know, I am. I love la. Like, I'm madly, madly, madly in love with. I've loved LA ever since I was a child.

[B]

So this is home.

[A]

As much as I was born there, this is home to me. But I do agree with you. One really, really amazing thing that I love about Brazil and that I do miss here. In. In this culture, Brazilians are much more warm and friendly. They don't see other people so much as competition.

[B]

Like, there's room for every meet people.

[A]

They're already looking at you like, what

[B]

do you want from me?

[A]

Or what do you want?

[B]

Yeah, Like, I went in. I went in to kiss your producer. Like, the.

[A]

It's like, hey, who are you?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. What are you doing? You gotta steal my chain. I'm like, I swear I'm not.

[A]

But yeah, down there. Like, if you're going through a breakup or even if you show up and. And you need something, people like, oh, come stay in my house.

[B]

Exactly. Everyone's like, sleepover. Yeah. Like, I was at a friend's house, Brigitte's house, and she's like, oh, my God, are you sweaty? Do you want to take a shower? I have clothes, like, extra Clothes for you. What?

[A]

And if you offer that to people here, they look at you like, huh, I don't even know you.

[B]

I. I think it's been weird for me because, yeah, like, when I'm in Brazil, people say this to me. They're like, you're American, obviously, you're isms and stuff, but your personality is still very Brazilian. And I think a lot of people took advantage of that.

[A]

Could be because I feel the same way. You know, I feel very American, but I think in many ways, because I still treat people like that.

[B]

You're really kind. You're very Brazilian.

[A]

Like, if I meet someone and the person lives in a different city or something, like, hey, do you own my guest bedroom? Do you own my couch? Can I do anything for you? Right. You know, and I don't feel. I don't look at everybody else, like, competition. Oh, her. She's gonna take my job or something. And. And I get that a lot. That bad.

[B]

But I also, like, got to a point where I was, like, helping people a lot, where I was like, I shouldn't just get. Like, they need to pay me.

[A]

I still do that.

[B]

Me too. But I got to the point where I was like. Like, out of nowhere, somebody would be like, hey, what's the name of this thing? I need this thing. And I would just give it to them. And I'm like, hi. You didn't even say, hi, how are you? Yeah, and so just investigating, like, and also, like, Covid made me realize, like, I thought all these comics were my friends. Like, and then I'm like, what's his last name? Like, I didn't.

[A]

I don't know anything about them. It's a friend quote, unquote. Right. It's a very superficial friendship in. In the business world.

[B]

And I think they're not my friends.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. It's not really a friend. It's an acquaintance or a business situation. But in Brazil, I think people meet you and their guard is not out up, so they literally, genuinely just want to be your friend.

[B]

And I'm loving, like, meeting people, like, having new. Like, I did a photo shoot there. It turned out beautifully. Like, it was just. It's just so exciting. Like, I feel like I'm creating things for myself. Versus, like, is this gonna hit? Is this gonna have views? Is this. Like, I think I got really obsessed with the. Versus, like, not the process, but the outcome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think that LA kind of drives you to. Because you need money and you need to survive here. And, you know, I. It's really nice to pay. Hey, are Brazilian.

[A]

How much is r1?

[B]

$5.

[A]

$5. But it's nice if you're making money in dollars.

[B]

Exactly. So I'm making money in dollars right now down there. And so.

[A]

Oh. Oh my God, I'm so glad you brought this up. Did you really start an only fans?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did a comedy. I did the comedy thing that they do, which is called Laughing my ass Off. You do a comedy special with them? Every comic has done it. And then you, because I saw you

[A]

put a link and I'm like, I was gonna forget to ask you about that.

[B]

Look, look me up.

[A]

I will tell you that. I'm all like, make your money, girl. Do whatever. It's wholesome.

[B]

It's nothing crazy. I post photos of my butt for free all the time. It's nothing really crazy. Unless I get really desperate. You never know. Never know. I'm not putting stuff in my butt yet.

[A]

But. But listen, did you see that? You know, Antis is the only fans guy just passed away a few days ago.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[A]

Founder of OnlyFans, 42 years old, died. He was battling cancer.

[B]

Oh God, that's horrible.

[A]

Nobody knew. Yeah, so I actually did a video. You're gonna know why I'm saying that. Because we make so many plans, right? Ten years from now, I'm going to be doing this, I'm going to be doing that. My life sucks and you can have billions of dollars in the bank and all that money doesn't buy. Buy your life. So I think a huge lesson from that is more like just go for it.

[B]

That's what I'm doing.

[A]

Life different.

[B]

Because if I make money on only fans, it's in dollars. It's enough to live in Rio right now like that. Because I think here I was always like, yeah, but, but then what about this? And no, no. And I'm just. Right now I'm working with. Abrusha is a witch. She's like. Her name's Madonna. She's incredible. She's changed my life.

[A]

My name is Madonna.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We gotta do like 10 more.

[B]

She's incredible. Well, she's just helping me stay present

[A]

because like they have a lot of those down there and they have the, the. How do you call those? Those bayana ladies. The, the bayana. No, the condom. The makumba. There is no translation.

[B]

There's a lot of voodoo and it's

[A]

voodoo, but pretty much everybody that lives in Rio, I'm not, I'm talking about businessmen, executives, Entrepreneur millionaires. They're like, I gotta go to the. The. My makumba lady before this meeting. Before.

[B]

That's how I am. I'm wearing my. I'm. I have my little.

[A]

Like, this is the one that you can never take it off. And.

[B]

Yeah, it comes off. You make three wishes.

[A]

Yeah. Brazilians are very superstitious.

[B]

Yeah, I'm very superstitious. Like, I'm wearing my figa. I wear an evil eye because I think there is a lot of negative energy that people put on you.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

And it is.

[A]

I'm glad you're bringing this up. And you're being very honest and vulnerable about it, because Hollywood is a very brutal industry. It is very.

[B]

But you don't even know what's happening in the moment because you're just like, okay, yeah, I'll do it. Like, if they. I don't want to get fired. And then your agents are pushing you like, you're going to get fired. Just do what they say. And you don't even notice that nobody really cares about you or your mental health or your.

[A]

No.

[B]

You know, you just want to make money. And so I like being out of it and looking in is just wild because I've been calling my friends that live here. Everyone sounds depressed. Everyone sounds.

[A]

I'm not.

[B]

No, you're not. You're not.

[A]

I am very happy. Listen, the sunshine, the palm trees.

[B]

No, I love.

[A]

There are a lot of wonderful things. The. The bees.

[B]

Palm Springs in a few days, which is my favorite place.

[A]

I love Palm Springs.

[B]

Besides Rio.

[A]

I have to say, I'm very happy with my life here. But I am very happy that you are finding something fun and new and exciting because I know going through a tough breakup is. You got to put yourself first. You got to put, you know, so you.

[B]

I'm not good at that. I'm codependent.

[A]

But look, I'm like.

[B]

Hold my hand.

[A]

You know the best thing they say, right? To heal a broken heart, you just got to find a new life. Love.

[B]

No, thank you. I did not. No. I mean, obviously I'm gonna have sex. Like, I'm not dead, but I'm gonna. But not right now. I can't even think. Like, the thought of it makes me.

[A]

Well, but when you meet the right person, all of a sudden, I'm gonna see. Posting. No, you're gonna take a break.

[B]

I. Yeah, I need. Right now is.

[A]

You're on a love diet.

[B]

Me loving myself. Healing my inner child and my traumas and.

[A]

But that's very good, too. I do that all the time. Like, nice long breaks. I focus on self love, focus on self care.

[B]

Yeah. I don't want to be on apps. I don't want to go on dates. Like.

[A]

Yeah, I hear you.

[B]

You know, if I meet somebody at the beach or in my canoe club maybe. But I'm working on finishing this documentary. I have a one woman show I'm developing. Like, I just want to focus on, you know, getting my Brazilian passport renewed,

[A]

which is a nightmare. Good luck.

[B]

I'm going to the embassy right after this.

[A]

Oh, good luck with that. Oh, my God. That's. That's one part of Brazil is a complete disaster.

[B]

It is, it's reload the page. It breaks. Yeah. Oh, my God.

[A]

But I'm so happy that I you came back to the show.

[B]

Me too. You should do this every four years.

[A]

Less. Okay.

[B]

Every year. We'll do every next time.

[A]

Every time you come to la, you're like, kat, I'm back in town.

[B]

Okay, well, we do.

[A]

But I have to say, regardless of whatever it is that you've been going through, your smile is still beautiful.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

It lights up a room and I am very happy for. And I'm really enjoying following your Brazilian adventures.

[B]

Okay, good. Okay, I'll keep posting. Sometimes I'm like, no overshare.

[A]

But yeah, look, I don't think it's overshare. I think the more you are organic and honest, the more you connect with an audience because people are so tired of fake.

[B]

I know. I was gonna post me crying after this commercial audition. Then I'm like, oh, my God, there's a war going on and I'm crying about leaving my commercial audition.

[A]

There's a war going on and it's a complete nightmare. But at the same time, people need to laugh, they need a distraction, they need fun. And I think as entertainers, that's what we do. It's, it's the, it's the little bit of, of our job that can make a difference in people's lives, you know, So I, and I think people are sick of like, fake, fake, fake. So when you put your real life there and you, you tell your journey and everything that that is going on, I think your audience really appreciates it.

[B]

Yeah, I'll post a little like, video about today.

[A]

Yeah, I'm connecting her Instagram here, guys, to the audio episode. And if you listen to the audio episode, please go to K on the little show to watch the video and see her beautiful face. Thank you. Obrigad. See how difficult it. I said next time. What's up? It's really hard for my brain. My brain is not used to talking in Portuguese, so it locks.

[B]

I get it. Like sometimes I don't remember the word in either language.

[A]

I'm like

[B]

but thank you for having me.

[A]

Thank you. My love is such a knowledge. Beijos. I'll see you very soon. Bye Rio.

[B]

Bye.

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