Nicole Moore (4:15)

Yeah, I'm happy to be here.

Cat (4:16)

It's been a minute, right? So much that I want to talk. Nobody better than you to dish on all this crazy celebrity chaos out there.

Nicole Moore (4:25)

It's a lot.

Cat (4:27)

So let's rock and roll because there's so much I wanna, I wanna cover. Let's do the celebrity fun stuff first. The first one that I want to mention. Did you watch the, the JLO movie? This me now I didn't, but you.

Nicole Moore (4:39)

Know, I saw all the clips on Tick Tock. I feel like I watched it from watching all the TikToks.

Cat (4:43)

I went, I was invited to the, the premiere and so I was like, okay, yeah, I gotta watch because I, I went there and I was invited and then she did the behind the scene. The scenes you guys gotta watch. By the way, if you didn't see it on Amazon, because she was very raw on the behind the scenes, which I really admire. Like no makeup, all the chaos, all the story. But what I, the question I want to ask you is a lot of people are saying that it, it gets to the point, especially in her career, she's already so rich. She married Ben after all the 20 something years. So people are saying like, isn't it a little TMI at this point? What is your opinion?

Nicole Moore (5:20)

I don't know. Like, the thing is that, you know how they say if you really have a great relationship, like, you're not posting it everywhere. Like, usually the people have a good relationship, they're just having the relationship. You know, it's like, oh, happy birthday on Instagram. Not, oh, my God, you're the love of my life and I can't live without you. So that's the interesting thing is, like, why isn't she just living in the relationship? Why feel the need to promote the relationship? Like, I don't know, but it is a little bit weird. And also, it seemed like Ben really didn't want to do it, but he was doing. Doing it for her, which I think is. Is nice in a way. But my question is, why doesn't she just live the relationship and enjoy it if it's so good?

Cat (5:57)

That's a great question. Right? And, you know, it's interesting because on this documentary, it's available on Amazon, by the way, guys, he participates on the documentary. So he said a phrase that I thought was very sweet. He was like, oh, when we go back together, one of the things that I told her was, I don't want you to do social media. And then I thought about it and I was like, wait a minute, I am marrying a boat captain and I'm basically saying, you need to keep ship out of the water. And then I understood that it's not something I can ask her to do, that all the social media and the scrutiny comes with her job. And I thought it was very sweet that he said that. But that being said, I kind of agree with you. It's like, yeah, it's part of her job, but it doesn't have to be all the time. Like, look at me, look at me. Look at my husband. Look at my husband, look at my husband.

Nicole Moore (6:43)

Yeah, I mean, maybe, listen, she struggled so much in love, so, like, maybe she's just. Just finally excited and she feels like this is it. And, yeah, she's a Leo, you know, so maybe she just wants to be out there. But I did. This is one thing I will say from the clips on social media, I did see more of their closeness because all the paparazzi pictures, it seems like Ben hates Jen and he's. Yes, unhappy. So that was one good thing I saw from the clips. Like, there were moments where it really seemed like they do actually have a good relationship, like a good marriage.

Cat (7:14)

Right. And it's funny because Jane Fonda, which was. Did a cameo in the movie, she says that. And it's also on this behind the scenes she says that to JLo, like, why are you putting it all out there? Why aren't you just leaving this wonderful love story in private? If the scrutiny of the press is what destroyed their relationship the first time around? And her answer was, we're just living our lives. It. But in my eyes, I think it's more than just living our lives. Because if you're just living your lives, you can shut off the camera.

Nicole Moore (7:45)

Yeah, yeah. And it's like, I don't know, like, for me, just some things are precious. Right. And so she had to know, when I put this documentary out there, there's. I mean, there was a. There's been a lot of criticism. I'm actually shocked by how much. I just know from tick tock from how much criticism. And it's like, I wonder how she feels about that because it's like you're putting something out there. You're saying, this is my incredible love and people are just picking at it. And like, from an energetic perspective, I would want to protect the relationship a little bit more from people's opinions.

Cat (8:14)

I totally. Me too. I think I would be so, like, oh, my God. Especially because she admits that she's so jealous.

Nicole Moore (8:20)

Yeah.

Cat (8:20)

Like, don't flirt with my husband. Don't be near my husband. I think at this point, like, I would feel like, you know what? I just really want to enjoy this part of my life by myself. But whatever. Do you think this is going to last?

Nicole Moore (8:32)

I think they're gonna try and make it last. I mean, here's the thing. Okay, so we have JLo, who's a love addict. Right. And Ben Affleck, who's a recovering addict. So really, it depends. I think, like, if life stressors hit too hard, you never know what could happen. I think they're gonna. I think she's gonna hold on for dear life.

Cat (8:51)

Let's hope it lasts. We're hoping for a happy ending on this one.

Nicole Moore (8:54)

I mean, I want JLo to have.

Cat (8:56)

Great love for sure. Right.

Nicole Moore (8:57)

I mean, one thing is she always stays open. Like, that's what I like about JLo. She always tries again. She always believes in love. You know, it's better than being closed.

Cat (9:06)

Yeah. No 1 million percent. She's like, me, like, I'm gonna turn up. I think you gotta get up and try and try and try and try. I think there's even a song like that. Right? You try and try and try. Never give up. Never give up. Now another one. This is a sad one, but I want to ask your opinion, Gisele. Binchon and Tom Brady ended up getting divorced. I. I was heartbroken because I thought they were in it for the long run. She's Brazilian, of course. I love her being Brazilian, but. And then I heard some nasty gossip about her, just the past few weeks in the media. A bunch of people saying, because she's dating her, whatever, some jiu jitsu guy, whatever. I don't know if it was her trainer. And people started saying, like, oh, she was already dating him. She was cheating on Tom Brady. And finally she gave an interview, and she shut it down. She was like, that's a lie. And I cannot believe, just because a marriage breaks up that women get treated like that.

Nicole Moore (10:02)

Yeah, I believe her. I mean, I don't know her personally, but she just. She's. She's, like, all about the Four Agreements book by Don Miguel Ruiz. Like, that's all about integrity. Like, I don't think she cheated, you know, but obviously I feel like she gave the ultimatum to Tom Brady, like, don't go back to football. And when he did that, he broke the relationship because he proved that she was not his priority. So, like, I'm kind of happy for her that she's left, even though it's sad that the marriage ended. But she. I mean, it's Giselle. She deserves to be a priority. Like, hello.

Cat (10:34)

And I think that. I mean, I don't want to say anything, but I think a lot of these guys, they. They. Yeah, they fall in love more with what they do, like the career, the sport, than with the person that they're with. And then even when they come home, of course, we don't know them. We're just speculating. But I think when they come home, they get lazy. Even in terms of, like, having sex or having intimacy. They just.

Nicole Moore (10:59)

Yeah, I'm glad with that hot trainer.

Cat (11:02)

Like, you know, But I want to talk about that for a minute, because you're a love coach, and I see a lot of women complaining about that. Like, why do you think it is? Like, when so many relationships don't work out so many times, the woman gets the blame. Yeah, I hear that a lot, and I get messages about that a lot.

Nicole Moore (11:24)

Like, the.

Cat (11:24)

The girl gets, oh, she didn't do whatever, or she was the cheater, or she wasn't a good wife. Why do you think that is?

Nicole Moore (11:31)

Because I think society still thinks, like, relationships are for women. Women want the relationship, and God forbid, I just. I think women. Society doesn't want women to want better for themselves. I did a video on YouTube that was talking about, like, how really total catch. Women should, should not settle and they should have a guy that's everything they want. And there was comments from men. All the comments were from men telling me basically, like, you shouldn't be saying this. Yeah. And I was like, so what are.

Cat (11:58)

We supposed to do? Settle?

Nicole Moore (11:59)

That's what they were trying to say. And I'm like, first of all, why are you watching a video for women? But like, and I was just like, wow, like, this is what women are dealing with. Like, they can't even want more because everybody tells them not to want more. And even the men out there in the dating market are like, don't tell women that they should want more. And I think that it's like, society isn't okay with women saying, I'm not okay with these relationship dynamics. But, like, I think if women keep accepting crap, we're never gonna get better. Like, I think more women should say.

Cat (12:30)

No, man, I completely agree with you. I love it. It took me all of these years, 15 years of a crappy, crappy marriage, and then three and a half years of crappy dates, shitty men, to get to this point that you just said, like, we shouldn't settle and we shouldn't accept any or any bad relationships or behavior that we don't want. And I do think we should have a non negotiable list.

Nicole Moore (12:56)

Yeah. And it's like, listen, like, the thing is, it's also a money thing, right? Because now more women have more money, so they don't have to be in a relationship just for, you know, like Giselle, for example, right? It's like she has everything. She has could, she has a kids, she has a career, she has everything. So why say yes to a relationship? Like, I think women are waking up and realizing if the relationship isn't great, if it's not adding to my life, I do not need to be in it. Especially if I'm financially good myself.

Cat (13:24)

Oh my God, totally. And I, it's funny because I just, just before you got here, I did a video about that because I wanted to do a post on Instagram and I said exactly something to these lines that I think women should find a partner that takes care of them, but not financially, that takes care of them emotionally, physically, mentally. But I think the idea of, oh my God, I need to find like a dude that makes money and is gonna buy me a new Hannah. I think women are, are realizing more and more and more, thank goodness, by the way, that we can make our own money, that we should be Financially independent, that it's empowering to have our own careers. And you should find a partner that fulfills you in other ways.

Nicole Moore (14:07)

Yeah, yeah. Because the issue with the money thing and wanting a man to take care of you is control. Very few men or people out there in general, they. If they're giving you money, they feel like they have to control you. So I always say, if you want a rich man, make sure he's also generous and kind hearted, because or else there's going to be, like, a lot of control. And so, you know, like, I think women are like, I'm fine on my own, so if. If you're going to come, you have to add to my life. And that's not every man out there. Which is why women need to have higher standards. Because also men. I love love. I love men. But they need to rise up. They need to.

Cat (14:41)

Yes.

Nicole Moore (14:41)

Be better.

Cat (14:42)

Oh, yes. One million. And I love that you're saying that now. Another breakup that hits right here where we are, and that's why we're so sad about it. But I think most people in the United States watch the show and. And it's just heartbreaking, Right. Because it was such a long marriage. Kyle Richards and Mauricio.

Nicole Moore (15:00)

Yeah.

Cat (15:00)

Humanski. Who now. Now he's called Mo. On the show. He built an empire. For those of you, you can give us the rundown for people that don't know who they are, because you're great at it.

Nicole Moore (15:12)

I mean, it was. I was actually sad when I saw that they were separating. So they're on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Cat (15:18)

Kyle's on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and he has his own show now.

Nicole Moore (15:22)

They've been together for, like, I think 25 years. They have four, well, three daughters, plus she has one from a previous marriage. And so they were like the couple on the Housewives that everybody was like, I want to be a couple. Right. So they were sad when they announced that they were. They were separating. But again, if you watch what's happening, it's the same thing. Is that apparently from watching what's there, Mauricio wasn't giving Kyle the emotional support.

Cat (15:45)

That's what it sounds like, right?

Nicole Moore (15:47)

Yeah.

Cat (15:47)

Sounds like his business started growing and he founded this company called the Agency, which is now a powerhouse real estate company with offices all over the world and apparently just grew, grew, grew. And he started traveling like crazy and he wasn't spending. That's what it sounds like from the shows, right?

Nicole Moore (16:12)

That's what it looks like. I mean, who knows what happened on the inside. But that's at least from what's been communicated. Is that so her best friend died as well, which is like that happened and she didn't have the support that she needed. And again, it's like, if you're gonna be in a relationship, you should have the emotional support. Like, why are you in the relationship if they're, they're just there, they're not supporting you. And I think that's what she realized. Like, I've been here for this person. I've been riding for this person.

Cat (16:38)

And they started from nothing. Right. They started together from zero.

Nicole Moore (16:43)

He didn't have the. He didn't. I mean, he didn't have the success. She didn't. I mean, they were, they started from the bottom and they grew together. Yeah.

Cat (16:51)

And this one is heartbreaking to me because we see. See that a lot. Like I, and I understand. It's funny because I understand both sides because obviously now he has so much money and he gets invited to all these events and he wants to travel the world and visit all of his offices and it's very difficult to not want to enjoy your success. And Kai, on the other hand, apparently she stopped drinking. Right. Which is fantastic. She looks. Is phenomenal. Right. Her body is like a killer. She wants to like, have a more healthy, laid back lifestyle. And it's not matching. And he's not ready to slow down.

Nicole Moore (17:32)

Yeah.

Cat (17:33)

But at the same time I have a feeling like he might regret it.

Nicole Moore (17:38)

I don't know. I mean, this is the thing. Like, it depends on probably later, right? Somebody like exactly that. I don't think so. No. They had a real connection. It's just like, that's the thing. It's like if you want to. If relationships to last, you guys have to be kind of growing on the same page. And sometimes it doesn't happen. And that's when it's like really hard because you could tell, like they still love each other. Like, there's not a lot of animosity. But one thing Kyle did say is like, I think they swept so much under the rug. Like, I think that they. I think she was upset with him more than she really knew. But she said, oh, we never fight, you know, And I think they.

Cat (18:13)

That's probably worse, right?

Nicole Moore (18:14)

Yes. I think it all came to a head, but it was probably building for years.

Cat (18:20)

Oh my God. Ouch. Oh, that's like. To me, honestly, it's heartbreaking when I see like a marriage lasts so long and yeah, people grow apart, they change and. And it's Very tough. And I watch. I watch his show, which is very interesting. I forgot it's called Beverly. I think it's called Buying Beverly Hills on Netflix.

Nicole Moore (18:38)

Netflix.

Cat (18:39)

And it's very, very interesting if you guys want to see the lifestyle about Beverly Hills and all these fabulous mansions, blah, blah, blah, blah. And obviously. And he's very candid about. He's like, you know, I. I'm not ready to slow down. And he looks at the camera and he says that I want to travel, I want to do this, I want to do that. And. And my company is growing. I'm only 52 years old, I think. And Kyle wants a different lifestyle. And I dreamed about getting old with her, but we need to be happy doing what we're doing. And I think right now it's just not clicking now. She's not the only one. We don't know if she's having the affair with Morgan Wade.

Nicole Moore (19:15)

I don't know. I mean, but I mean, all the.

Cat (19:18)

Evidence is out there.

Nicole Moore (19:19)

I think that if they're not actually, like, having sex with each other, she's definitely emotional support, maybe. Emotional affair. Ish kind of thing. I mean, she's providing something.

Cat (19:32)

Something. Now, let me ask you a question, because you're the exact expert, and I have no idea. I see this trend a lot. Like some girls get so disappointed in their husbands or their partners. And I listen, by the way, I have zero judgment and nothing against it at all. You know, if you want to try something new, go for it. I think whatever makes you happy. But I do see that, at least here in la, because the other girl did the same thing. Chrishell. She broke up with. What's his name from.

Nicole Moore (20:02)

Yeah. She broke up with Jason. From selling Sunset.

Cat (20:04)

From selling Sunset. And now she's happily, happily married to.

Nicole Moore (20:09)

Yeah.

Cat (20:10)

G Flip.

Nicole Moore (20:11)

Yeah.

Cat (20:11)

So it's the same thing. She broke up with a man and now she's with G flip. Now, Kyle, we don't know if she's with the singer or not. What's the name of the singer? I forgot.

Nicole Moore (20:22)

Oh, Morgan Wade.

Cat (20:23)

Morgan Wade. But apparently she's doing something with Morgan Wade. Do. Why do you think that is? Do you think that, like, man, this. I cannot deal with this man anymore. I'm gonna try something else.

Nicole Moore (20:34)

Ye. I think it's because they can't find men who satisfy all their needs. And then, you know, if you find a woman and she's giving you the emotional connection and she's also giving you the sexual connection.

Cat (20:46)

A woman or a non. Binary. Right.

Nicole Moore (20:48)

Why not? Why not? I mean, you know, like, yeah, why not?

Cat (20:52)

It.

Nicole Moore (20:52)

To me, it's just like finding somebody who meets all of your needs and if that happens to be in the form of a woman or whatever, like, who cares? I think it's them realizing I don't have to settle. And the picture looks a little bit different than I thought it was going to look. But like, if you look at Chris Shell and G Flip from what they share, they look so happy.

Cat (21:11)

They are like, so happy.

Nicole Moore (21:12)

I mean, so, you know, she's not sitting there saying, I'm not getting what I want. She seems very happy with everything she's getting from G Flip. So, like, why not? I mean, I think it's a decision to say I want to be loved as much as I want to be loved and who's gonna do it. And I think that's great, actually.

Cat (21:31)

Oh my God, yes, me too. I think it doesn't matter as long as the person is fulfilling all your needs. Honestly, that's all. All that matters. So, you know, but it's very interesting how the change, you know, especially in Kyle's situation because Kyle was with Mauricio for like forever. 25 years is a lifetime. 4 kids is a lifetime. So this is a huge change for her. I'm sure it's not easy.

Nicole Moore (21:55)

You know what I mean? Like, a lot of. A lot of Beverly Hills marriages, Hollywood marriages, they're having threesomes, they're inviting other people in. They're not sharing that, so they're not like that square. So it's very probable that perhaps Kyle had been with a woman. I know she said she never had.

Cat (22:15)

But like, at least she said she never had.

Nicole Moore (22:17)

Yeah. At least in the case of Chris Shell. I know she said like she had kissed women before, so I don't think it really came out of like nowhere. Nowhere. I think that they probably had interest in women before or they were in threesomes or whatever, and that's kind of where it came from. Rather than it being like this complete switch from heterosexual to a different kind of relationship.

Cat (22:38)

Yeah, true. Yes. We are a little, in general, more open minded here in California when it comes to relationships. That is a very good point.

Nicole Moore (22:46)

Yeah.

Cat (22:47)

I want to talk about another one before I forget Scandalville. I know we talked about it before, but I want to talk about a different part of it and I want your opinion. I think. I mean, I'm so happy for Ariana. Right. She's having all the success in the world that she deserves and Tom has moved on. But this is the Question I have for you, the Friends. I had one of his best friends on the show, Billy Lee. Oh, yeah. And. And she's a sweetheart. And I was talking to Billy, and very few people talked about it because the split was very tough, and it split the Friends in half. And then we were talking about loyalty. And it's a tough one because now if you watch the new season after, like, I don't know, how long has it been? A year or six months? I don't know. After everything happened, a lot of the friends are saying that, like, what do you do in a situation like that? I mean, okay, he made a horrible mist. Mistake. We are not saying. I'm not saying by any means that he didn't. He made a horrible mistake. It was disgusting. It was awful. I think he admitted on camera that he made a horrible mistake. He definitely should have done it. I mean, for whatever is worth it. He's. He's hopefully never gonna do it again. It was a huge life lesson, and everybody moved on. And thank goodness, now we know that it was for the best for Ariana. Right. Because now she's following her path.

Nicole Moore (24:16)

Yeah. That's the best thing could have happened to her.

Cat (24:17)

Exactly. Thank God. Yeah. Because although I should still be stuck there, now she's following her path. She's the. The star that she deserves to be. La, la, la, la. But I'm thinking about the friends now. The friends are divided because they're like, okay, if I talk to Tom, I lose Ariana's friendship because she doesn't want to share friends. And then on the other hand, like, some friends are, like, they feel they still need to be loyal to, like. Like Billy was saying to me when she was here on the podcast, said, well, he was my friend at the time. I was shocked that he did what he did.

Nicole Moore (24:50)

Yeah.

Cat (24:50)

But I was worried about him because some nights I was thinking, like, what is this guy gonna do? Is he gonna do something stupid? And I felt like I had to stand up by my friend. Then there's the other Tom, you know, that I met and I talked to Tom. I went to Tom. Tom. I mean, the business suffered. People that had nothing to do with the price of fish, their employees, et cetera, et cetera. What do you do in the situation? Because I kind of agree, like, if a friend of mine made a huge mistake, if it's a really, really close friend, I don't feel I could completely turn my back on a friend.

Nicole Moore (25:26)

Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I think it also depends. I think, like, Tom Sandoval obviously is not like an evil person, right? Like, that's the thing. Like, I saw he donated money to Sheena when she needed it. Like, it's not like he, he's like all evil, doing horrible things. It sounds like he was a really good friend to some people. And he also was a really bad boyfriend to Ariana at the end of their relationship. So it's like, it's a complicated situation. I think, you know, show loyalty to whoever you're the closest to.

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Nicole Moore (27:18)

And also, like, I don't agree with Ariana saying you can't talk to him or else from a filming standpoint for the show, it makes no sense. So like right there I'd be like, just get over it. Like, do what you got to do for the show. Ariana, like, film with him if it's for the show. Because that's everybody. It's the show is everybody. You know what I mean? So I don't agree with being like, you can't be friends with.

Cat (27:40)

I agree. I think that's a little too childish. Like, I'm not gonna share a friend, right? And also, like, you're putting the person like in a horrible situation spot.

Nicole Moore (27:50)

And if he's apologized. If he's explained, if he's never treated you horribly, but you see that he did this horrible thing, like, I would, I would be concerned. I'd be like, well, if you did this to somebody else, are you going to be lying to me? But, like, talk to him about it. And if he's genuine and he's sincere, I don't see a problem with them staying friends with him. I mean, I do think it's childish to be like, oh, you can't. Yeah, you know, like, I get it. I get that she's hurt, but this also did provide her with a huge boost and it is a really positive thing.

Cat (28:21)

Yes.

Nicole Moore (28:21)

At the end of the day for her.

Cat (28:22)

No, I agree. And, and I, of course, just hurt. I think anybody would be very, very, very, very, very hurt. And I think I'm hoping. It seems like he learned the lesson, but the people in the middle, like, I don't know if you've been watching the episodes. I watched an episode that Sheena was literally crying.

Nicole Moore (28:39)

Yeah.

Cat (28:40)

Because she had a heart to heart with Tom. And she said, I saw my friend, you know, and, and I want to move past this and I want to be able to talk to my friend. But also she's friends with Ariana. She doesn't want to lose one and she doesn't want to lose the other. So the whole thing made me think of, of loyalty and friends. And I don't think any adult should have to be in the spot of like, picking friends.

Nicole Moore (29:03)

Controlling. Like, I think it would be okay to say, you can be friends with him. I'm not going to be around if he's around, but like to control that person. Being friends with him, I think it's controlling. Yeah. It's not the right thing.

Cat (29:15)

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Nicole Moore (34:02)

But.

Cat (34:03)

But let's just put it all there because they said it a million times on the show and the reunion and Andy Cohen mentioned almost everybody on this show, they have cheated.

Nicole Moore (34:13)

Yeah.

Cat (34:13)

They have kissed each other, cheated on each other. It's not like they are perfect, perfect saints and never did anything wrong ever. The more you watch the show, the more you find like. Like almost everybody. We're all humans. Especially like when you're growing up and everything. It's not like they all had this impeccable records when it came to relationships. Right?

Nicole Moore (34:36)

Right. Like Lala slept with James when he was with Raquel. Right.

Cat (34:41)

Oh my God, I even forgot about that one.

Nicole Moore (34:42)

Yeah.

Cat (34:43)

And now Lala is so mature and so different. Right. After everything that happened to her horrible experience with that pig. Like, whatever.

Nicole Moore (34:50)

Yeah. I think, I mean, people should provide Tom with a chance to grow. At the very least, if he, if he does it again, like, then maybe.

Cat (34:58)

But yeah, maybe it's a major character for. I agree. Give him a chance to grow up. Are you surprised that Jax and Britney are divorcing?

Nicole Moore (35:06)

No. No, nobody expected him to. I mean, I should say for me, I mean, nobody expected that he wouldn't. I know. She says he didn't cheat. Like, come on.

Cat (35:15)

Like, I mean, you think that was the reason?

Nicole Moore (35:18)

I don't know if that was the reason. I think that she got used to him doing that kind of stuff, but.

Cat (35:23)

Oh, really?

Nicole Moore (35:23)

Yeah. After a while, I mean, he, he. I just. What I never saw out of all the episodes that I watched of Vanderpump Rules, was him doing nice things for her. Like, what was he actually doing for her? She loved him. I love him. I'm putting up with this because I love him. But like, what has he done for her?

Cat (35:44)

For a while, that's just my person. I thought he was changing because, you know, whatever, they're just so naive. But I also Think a lot of girls, they get, they have the baby, they're like, oh, I have the baby and I made him a father. He's gonna change because of that. Nicole is shaking her head, no, some people change. But I think, but, but a lot of girls think that's not gonna happen, right? Not him. Not him.

Nicole Moore (36:07)

No, no, no, no. He even said, I think I saw a quote. Like, my brain makes me do these things, you know? Like, the people you shouldn't trust are the ones who are like, like, I'm just a bad person. Like, they're self identifying that way. Like that means that's their identity. Like, they're not gonna, you know, like, those guys are like, I don't know. Like, I just feel like I'm a bad person. And you have to be like, no, you're amazing, I love you. Like, those are the guys you should really run from because, oh my God, they don't see themselves as good.

Cat (36:35)

I don't think he wasn't ready to grow. Yeah, I know. I, I don't. I, I tell you, I met, I have met him in person a few times, and I tell you guys, and I, I never said that before. I met him twice last year and one of the times, this was the red flag to me. I was dating someone, which, by the way, I'm very proud of myself. I got rid of him because I was madly, madly crazy about this guy. Because the sex was like the hottest sex of my life. But he was very toxic because he's, he was, he is. Because he didn't die. He's a trust fund baby. So he didn't have to work. So we were going out at crazy hours until 2, 3 o' clock in the morning. I can't because I work a lot. I wake up 6am, 5.30am every day. And I remember one night, it was like a Sunday. This is why I didn't forget. We were at a really famous bar here on Sunset. It's called Pigs. Like a hole in the wall, but it's a really famous hole in the. On Sunset. I forgot it's called Pig something. I forgot the name. But it's a really famous place that people go after hours because, I mean, what bar is gonna be open? Imagine 2am and I remember being there and this dude that I was dating and he was drinking and I remember thinking, thinking, catherine, what the hell are you doing at this bar? You have to be up in a few hours, walk your dogs. Or that's when I started thinking, you know, there's something Wrong in my life that I'm dating this dude. I gotta get rid of him. That was many months ago, last year. And Jax was there with a friend who was his manager. Whatever.

Nicole Moore (38:00)

Oh, no. On Sunday.

Cat (38:01)

On Sunday too. It was around 2am I swear to God. And I started talking to him and his friend and he was like, very. You know, he had this nasty, nasty attitude like, I can't talk to a girl. And I'm like, dude, I'm not trying to pick. Pick you up. My boyfriend and the guy I was dating wasn't even my boyfriend. We were dating. And I said, dude, I'm not trying to pick you up. My boyfriend's here. And we started talking, but I remember thinking, no, somebody who is married with a kid at home and is at this dive bar, like, in general, what are you doing? Exactly. Right? There's not. Because why? Because nothing good at that hour of the night happens on a. You're not doing business, you're getting drunk. Everybody was drinking. I'm not saying he wasn't doing drugs, that I didn't see it. So please don't put words in my mouth. But usually people are either drinking or doing drugs there and nothing good comes out of it that late.

Nicole Moore (38:57)

He said, I can't talk to. I can't sew.

Cat (38:59)

Yeah.

Nicole Moore (38:59)

He was like, oh, I can. He was very afraid.

Cat (39:03)

Very afraid. Like that he. Some blonde was trying to pick him up.

Nicole Moore (39:07)

That means that Britney made a rule with him.

Cat (39:09)

Yes.

Nicole Moore (39:09)

If you go out.

Cat (39:10)

Yes. Don't talk to girls.

Nicole Moore (39:12)

But why does she have to make the rule? Yeah, because it already happened.

Cat (39:16)

Exactly. She.

Nicole Moore (39:17)

Oh, Brittany.

Cat (39:18)

Exactly. And that was the second time, by the way. A few months before, I was at the really famous golf tournament here in the Pacific Palisades, the Genesis. And he was there. Same thing. We were at this VIP lounge, the Tito's Lounge, the vodka lounge. And he was there with a group of guys and I was there with a girlfriend. And his friends came talk to me and my girlfriend. And he said the same thing. He. He moved away from the group and his friends were like, oh, he's not allowed to come and talk to girls. And we all started laughing because they're like, we don't want to pick him up. We don't give a. About who he is. Same thing. It reminded me like, okay, obviously this guy is not even allowed to be. So to me, those were like, the.

Nicole Moore (39:58)

Red flags because he got a slap on the wrist from Britney for doing something. That's why the rule was there in the first place. You know.

Cat (40:05)

Okay, now we know. Like, it crumb. Like, if you don't trust your husband away from you, that's usually a bad sign.

Nicole Moore (40:11)

Yeah, totally.

Cat (40:12)

She.

Nicole Moore (40:13)

She'll find someone. If they do end up divorcing, I'm.

Cat (40:15)

Sure she'll find someone. Oh, my God. Poor Britney. I mean, she tried. She seems like a super nice girl.

Nicole Moore (40:20)

And I'm sure she's happy because she has a beautiful kid, you know, and so I know that she probably feels like she. She got her kid out of that and she wouldn't trade that for the world, but, you know, it's a long time to be with somebody who's potentially a cheater and have that happen over and over and over again. That takes a hit on your self esteem.

Cat (40:37)

Oh, my God. Yeah, for sure. That's. It's really. But I'm gonna tell you guys, like, it's very empowering. And if you ask her, she's gonna say, it's so hard. And I say that, like, from my experience, getting rid of this dude, it's so hard when you really like someone, but you put yourself first and you say, you know what? I deserve better. Get the hell out. Yeah, it's really, really hard, especially when you like the person. But at the same time, it makes you feel so strong because like you said in the beginning of this. This podcast because you feel like you deserve better. And you. You. You set your standards higher.

Nicole Moore (41:11)

Yeah. Yeah, you do. And it's. I mean, it's brave. Like, it's easy to cling to love.

Cat (41:17)

That's right.

Nicole Moore (41:18)

Because you don't. Like, it's easy. You don't want to be alone. You don't want to have somebody there for you. But I really, truly believe that's the only way to get something better.

Cat (41:25)

Oh, yeah. One million percent. You got to say, no, get the hell out. I deserve something better before, because I still got to talk about the dating podcasts before we run out of time. One last celebrity situation that's in the news, and it's heartbreaking. Christine and her husband. I don't even know what's going on.

Nicole Moore (41:41)

Christian. I think so. I don't know.

Cat (41:42)

She's so gorgeous as. I love her.

Nicole Moore (41:44)

I never. So. I never read her book, but I know that she talks about it because one of my clients was actually like, yeah, I read Christine's Quinn's book, and she said she manifested her husband and. And she did.

Cat (41:54)

What does her husband do?

Nicole Moore (41:55)

He's rich. Some rich. I think he's retired.

Cat (41:58)

For people that wait for people that don't know who she is. Christine Queen is on selling Sunset.

Nicole Moore (42:05)

She, she said on the show like my type is rich nerdy guys. She wanted to live in this one particular house and she manifested it and she married him and they live in the house and it was like, it seemed like this really cool story of like she manifested it, she got everything she wanted and then like nothing else came out about their relationship. Like there was no bad stories, there was no good stories. And then all of a sudden it comes out that he's arrested and shot.

Cat (42:30)

A baby with him.

Nicole Moore (42:31)

Yeah, she, he threw, apparently allegedly threw a glass at her and, and was very. It's coming out that he's controlling and it's just, it's sad because she's like a boss, you know what I mean? And it's like her Persona on the show. You wouldn't even imagine that she would be in that dynamic and putting up with that stuff.

Cat (42:51)

I know, I hope she doesn't.

Nicole Moore (42:53)

Right.

Cat (42:54)

I hope that's it.

Nicole Moore (42:55)

Yeah.

Cat (42:55)

He did get arrested for domestic violence, correct?

Nicole Moore (42:58)

Yeah, he got arrested. I think he got arrested twice. And she, she said that she was paranoid that he was like bugging her hotel room and that he faked suicide to see if she loves him. I mean this is all her words. Nothing has been proven. But it just goes to show you a. You never know what's happening in somebody's relationship. And like I just always preach this, like if you, you could find love but if you don't heal that stuff from the past, it's going to come back, it's going to come in your relationship. So probably how she's feeling in the relationship is related to how she felt in childhood. You know what I mean? Like I'm sure there's some tie there where she thought she had dream love and then yeah, it's, it's a horrible.

Cat (43:37)

I admire her so much. I did read her book. I think she's such a kick ass chick and I really hope this get gets resolved the best way possible because obviously I was a victim of domestic violence. I was abused for 14 and a half, 15 years. And I think it's never ever, ever accepted acceptable. So.

Nicole Moore (43:54)

No.

Cat (43:54)

Yeah, if they do it once and you let it happen again, it's gonna happen again.

Nicole Moore (43:58)

Yeah. So yeah, no, yeah, we want more for her. I mean she's such a badass, you know, like so if she manifested this, she can manifest something even better.

Cat (44:07)

Okay, moving on because I want to talk about the dating apps for people that don't know you. And I love telling the story because I really believe in love can be found everywhere. You are happily married. Your husband is a prince. You guys have adorable kids. Your diamond is like, sparkles from a million miles away.

Nicole Moore (44:24)

He got it because he said it was, like, fiery like me. Like, that's why he got this one. Yeah.

Cat (44:29)

And you met on Tinder. So girls, there is hope meeting the right one on Tinder, on any dating app for that matter. And you're a love coach. But obviously it's a huge controversy because most people complain and. And I'm one of them because dating apps is such a freaking shit show. So for those who don't know you or didn't listen to the past episodes when you came on Cat on the Loose, can you give us, like, some quick pointers in terms of, like, how to weed out the riff raff or the. The crap to find the shiny diamond?

Nicole Moore (45:00)

Yeah. Well, I always say, look, I put at the end of my profile, I said, looking for a very special man. And I put that in there because I was like, that's going to communicate that I want one relationship. But it's also, like, a little bit of a challenge. I of kind, I wanted to kind of activate a challenge in the guy without saying, like, no hookups. So definitely put that in your profile if you're looking for one person.

Cat (45:17)

No hookups.

Nicole Moore (45:18)

Yeah. No, don't put no hookups.

Cat (45:19)

I always put no hookups.

Nicole Moore (45:21)

No, no, no. Because that's like more from like, the jaded.

Cat (45:23)

Don't put no hookups.

Nicole Moore (45:24)

No. So I put. Literally, I put looking for a very special man because I'm like, this can be.

Cat (45:29)

But they all think they're special.

Nicole Moore (45:31)

Well, I'm gonna be the judge of that. Right? Like, that's how I felt. But so here's what I did when I was online dating. So first of all, before I even went on the apps, I just told myself, like, I'm this person. Who I am is I find the good ones. I know. It's a sea of crap. I get it, ladies and men. It's horrible. You're going to put yourself out there and you're going to see, oh, my God, like, 99% of people suck. Like, they're not what I want. This is horrible. The reason I was able to find love is that I didn't give my emotions to the experience. So I realized, like, I'm not going to let some loser guy who I've never met or even gone on a date with make me feel like I cannot find Love. So I was very, like, neutral about it. I would go in the apps, I would just swipe on the people I liked. I only said yes to the guys who messaged me first. If guys were not communicating the way I liked, I didn't give it a lot of emotion. I just was like, onto the next. And I'm like, I'm just gonna hold the space for the person that I really, really liked. I didn't read the profiles so much. Assuming somebody's my husband. Like, I literally gave it almost zero emotion. And I think, like, that's how you have to go into it. You can't make people your husband. When you see a profile, you can't get devastated because somebody ghosts you. Like. Like, I think people hate date online dating because they put so much of their own emotion into it.

Cat (46:49)

Just be more pragmatic about it.

Nicole Moore (46:51)

Yes. And just like, neutral. Okay. Do I like how he's showing up in the communication? Did he ask me out in a respectful way? If yes, then go on the date. If you get a bad vibe, close the connection, but don't make it mean. Like, I can never find love.

Cat (47:06)

Like, oh, yeah, I know. You should never start with, like, if I think if you come from a place of negativity, like, if you decide, oh, everybody sucks, I'm never going to find love. Yeah, you're never going to find love. I agree.

Nicole Moore (47:18)

I just focused on, like, quality over quantity. I'm pulling the good people to me and that's it. And like, you know, I went out with the people I wanted to go out with. It wasn't a lot. I was very much like, quality over quantity kind of person, you know, And I didn't know when I was going on a date with my husband, I was like, maybe I'll like him, maybe I won't. I liked what he wrote in his profile. Half of his pictures I honestly didn't like then. Half of them I did like.

Cat (47:46)

So you gave him a chance?

Nicole Moore (47:48)

Yeah, I was like, well, something pictures. He looks good. Some he doesn't. And so let's see. You know, now I like what he looks like.

Cat (47:55)

He's very good looking by the way I met him. He's a sweetheart and he's very good looking.

Nicole Moore (47:59)

You know, sometimes I take pictures, but, but, but yeah. And even when we went on the date, like, I had a good vibe, but I wasn't like, this is my husband. Right. I just was like, let's see, I'm looking for somebody who matches my criteria. Like, that's the thing. I Went in on with, like, I'm not looking to prove myself to anybody. I'm looking for the person who matches my criteria. And I don't mean some, like, huge checklist. I meant, like, the real things that are important to me. Not what my ego wants, what my heart really wants. I was like, I can find that. I was also out and about. Like, I wasn't, like, relying on the dating apps, but why not use them if they're there now? With that being said, I hear that, like, Hinger. Hinger, one of the apps is being sued because people are saying, like, they're saying that.

Cat (48:46)

Yeah, I talked about it. Yeah.

Nicole Moore (48:48)

So listen there. It's not. I know it's not the best experience for a lot of people, but you can make it easier by removing your emotion by, like, whatever it's triggering in you. If you sit with your journal and you deal with it and you get it out of your system, it's neutral.

Cat (49:05)

Well, what I say is don't do it 10 million hours a day. You know, like, do it a little bit, maybe before you go to sleep or on the weekends, and mix it up with going out in the real world. Don't forget to go out in the real world, you know, to go to events. Do something new around your neighborhood. Try out a new sport. It shouldn't substitute, like, you know, just real interaction.

Nicole Moore (49:27)

No, no, don't be like. Also, like, the thing is that if you really are, like, loving your life or at the time, like, I was finding love, I was. I'm. I'm still into my business, but I was into growing my business business. Like, I wasn't sitting there, like, I feel so lonely, and life is crap. It was like, I was working, I was growing, I was doing things. And so it's like, yeah, if I have a date, great, I'll go. But then if not.

Cat (49:50)

Yeah.

Nicole Moore (49:50)

Yeah.

Cat (49:51)

I always say that I think you need to be super happy with your life. You need to have a million things going on. And then, yeah, if you find a relationship or if you find time for a date, that's great. But if you're needy and you're desperate and you keep saying, like, I need to find someone, I need to find. That's the energy you're passing on, and that doesn't work.

Nicole Moore (50:10)

You're gonna find someone. Need. I always say, like, it's not. Need repels, like, yes. So it's like, the more you can be really, truly. I know, like, it's, like, easier said than done, but, like, happy with your own Life.

Cat (50:23)

Oh, my God. That's crucial. That's key. Key. Now, before we run out of time, just the past few days, I decided to try out for the first time Match, because I got 1 million messages the past three years because I've tried Hinge, Bumbla, all these dating apps, and so many people ask me, have you tried Match? Have you tried matchup? And I never tried it before because I think it's very expensive. And I don't. Like, I never spend money on a dating app ever before. But so many people asked me to try it. I'm like, okay, I. It's 45amonth. So I said, okay, I'm gonna pay for one month. So I unlocked it, and I almost died of a heart attack. My experience, I think it's horrible. Like, basically, they didn't match me. They just unlock, like, all the men in California, like, a bunch of men all over the United States. They completely ignore my criteria, which is like, Beverly Hills and surrounding areas, because to me, like, you know, geography is a deal breaker. I even send them an email, like, hello? Yeah, I. Why are you ignoring my criteria? So my experience with Match so far for all of you guys that send me messages and ask me has been really bad. I literally just unlocked it a few days ago. I don't know if. So if anybody out there listening had a good experience on Match, you're welcome to. To tell me. I. I just started trying to tell you guys, if I do go on a data match, I'll let you know. But I thought it was, like, very disc discombobulated. They just show you, like, a meal. Oh, look, here it is. For your money. And I'm like, I don't want. I don't want 99 unmatches. I thought that was, like, a horrible craziness. Chaotic, like, people that I would never even talk to. I thought it was very deceiving. You know, they just unlock, like, all this. Men. I don't want, like, all this quantity. And they literally ignored, like, all my filters. So I'm not sure about that one. Like, that's. That's my honest answer. I am.

Nicole Moore (52:21)

I was on Match so many years ago when it was, like, when it was new. So I, like, I really am a fan of just, like, anything where it's easy, you know, like, if it's. I don't like the ones where it's, like, so much information.

Cat (52:32)

Right.

Nicole Moore (52:33)

I know some people like that. But for me, I'm like, no, I'd rather just swipe and then connect because it's like, same. You can't tell. It's so hard to tell who someone is from a person profile. Like, I'm always like, just if you get in person with somebody that you feel a vibe with as quick as possible, or get on the phone as.

Cat (52:48)

Quick as possible and see.

Nicole Moore (52:50)

But. So I haven't been. I mean, I know clients who have met on, like, every app, plenty of fish, but I don't hear too often match. I will say that I hear I met on Hinge. I hear I met on Tinder. I've never had a client meet someone on Bumble. I mean, maybe I might be forgetting, but the most, most common ones where people meet people seem to be right now, at least in my community, Tinder and Hinge.

Cat (53:14)

Really? Yeah. Usually most guys, they say they love Bumble because the girl makes the first move. Hinge. I never met anybody on Hinge. I tried here and there, but I never been on a date on Hinge in my life. But I agree. I always like the ones that you can, you know, pick a few a day, I guess. But like you said, I think the approach is don't go crazy, you know, Do a few a day, I guess.

Nicole Moore (53:39)

Yeah, yeah. As little time as possible. Like, I would swipe in the morning, close it, work, check, and it's really like, who. Whoever's showing up, how I like I would talk to. And if they weren't, it's like, okay, bye. Go, go for someone else. And. And that was it, you know, and.

Cat (53:53)

You are proof that there are good men out there on Tinder.

Nicole Moore (53:56)

Believe it or not, there are some.

Cat (53:58)

And.

Nicole Moore (53:58)

And I will say, like. Like, in addition to going, doing that stuff, I was every morning, I was thinking about my vision of my person. Like, that's more what I did. I connected to the energy of my person. I would every day if I could. Like, whatever was being triggered in me. Like, I did the inner work. And so that's also what helps it work, because I really believe that when you're really a match, when you really feel worthy, when you really believe, like, when you're really in that state, the person's going to come to you, you through whatever avenue is the most easy. Like, I've had clients where they're walking down the street and their person runs after them, and that's their person or they're at an event, you know. So I think, like, folk do the apps, but the most important thing is, like, being real with yourself. Like, am I actually aligned? Am I a match for what I want?

Cat (54:48)

I love that you said that. I think the first lesson that we all have to learn is we need to be so happy with ourselves and our lives self love first of all. And that's how we're gonna attract the right person for us.

Nicole Moore (55:03)

Yeah, absolutely.

Cat (55:04)

Thank you. I missed you. I hope you come back more often. This was amazing. Thank you so much. Nicole, tell everybody how they find you. For those who don't know you well.

Nicole Moore (55:14)

Easiest place is you can find me on Instagram at Nicole Moore love. That's more with two o's like Demi Moore not related but Nicole Moore love everywhere on the Internet. Nicole more love or my website is loveworks method.com loveworks method.

Cat (55:30)

And you're the best love coach in the world. It was so nice.

Nicole Moore (55:32)

Yeah, it's true.

Cat (55:34)

Thank you guys. Be safe out there and never ever give up on love. And I'll see you very soon again. Thank you, Nicole. Many kisses. Last but not least, before I let you go, those of you that know Cat on the loose know that one of my favorite places, places to shop for casual, cozy everyday wear is girly a la mode. Building a worldwide community for body positivity, self love and inclusion. Hashtag Everybody is beautiful. The love Collection out now with a bunch of cozy sweatshirts, hoodies, beanies. One of my favorite pieces is the organic reusable tote. So many nice gifts for you, for everyone you love. And the name of the collection is the love collection. So many beautiful, adorable things. Go check it out. Girlyalamode.shopping girlyalamode.com on Instagram girlyalamode G I R L I E a la mode and let's spread some love. Big shout out to the Burrata House. One of my favorite casual dining places in the heart of West Hollywood. They make authentic, delicious, fresh Italian food, sandwiches, pasta, salads with the delicious, delicious, fresh burrata on Top on 161 South Crescent Heights. So if you're looking for for a place that you can have a quick bite for lunch, dinner, takeout for your family, this is it. And I love of course supporting local businesses. So if you guys are in the Los Angeles area, West Hollywood, go check out the Burata house. If you guys want to see pictures, batah house.com on Instagram burrata House. I love, love, love their food so much. Everything is really, really yummy.