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- [00:01]
A
Wes, welcome to Cat on the Loose. I am so excited to have you here. You have no idea.
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B
Thank you. Thank you for having me. Feelings mutual. Thank you.
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A
Thank you. I think your work is incredible because you're standing up for women, which is not very common, unfortunately, and you write some really powerful things. And of course, we're going to talk about your style because it's killer. But the first question I have for you is, how did you come up with this idea? Or how did you decide, like, you know what? I'm going to do this post and. And I'm going to tell men how they should be behaving.
- [00:35]
B
Well, it's. It's pretty easy. When I first got onto social media, it was. It was bizarre. It was crazy to me because I seen the amount of posts that men were posting about, you know, the 50, 50 stuff and how women need to do all these things just for a meal or, you know, just stuff like that. And I was just like, is this really happening? Does this really actually happen in. In. In. In the US and, and lo and behold, the more I kept scrolling through my videos, I kept seeing it. It was real. Wasn't fake. It was real. So I was like, this is not right. Let me. Let me teach these little boys the actual way, you know, And I, you know, I've always had a provider mindset, but that just made me want to get online a little bit more.
- [01:18]
A
Bravo. And guys, if you are out there listening, please get a pen and paper, take notes. I'm gonna tell you guys, let's. Let's dissect this story step by step. I mean, honestly, you should definitely start like a school for men because I'm kind of like you and, and there's so much to talk about. But let's go step by step by step. I have so many posts I want to ask you about, but let's start with this one that you mentioned. A lot of guys, when we talk, I'm gonna say me, as a woman, I always say, of course a man should pay for a freaking date. And it has nothing to do with the money. Like, in my case, I make my own money. I can pay for my meal like you ment. But I want to feel I'm dating, like you said, a man. I don't want to feel like I'm out with one of my besties. So can you tell men and women out there why you constantly do posts like that? And what's your approach on this subject?
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B
First of all, I'm. I'm Lebanese, so being From Lebanon in the Middle East. It's something that I don't want to say is completely traditional. It's not a hundred percent traditional, but I would say most of my beliefs comes from 20 tradition and then 80. I would say instincts. That's why I don't want to give too much credit to tradition, because just like women have maternal instincts, I think men have provider instincts. And when I say the word men, talking about, you know, the actual guys that believe in the provider, you know, all the other guys, you know, we, we have a term for them. We call them cupcakes because they, those guys don't have that mindset, they don't have that instinct, you know, So I believe that. Yeah, I believe you're born with it. That's how I, that's, that's what I truly believe. And I believe this generation has really steered away from it for I don't know what reason. I don't know if it's something in their water. I don't know if it's social media. I have no idea what it is. But, you know, I remember, you know, when I was 16 years old, I remember I like this one girl, like a lot, and I'm like, you know, I gotta take her out, but I couldn't afford it. So guess what? I just didn't take her out. I just said, you know what, Let me concentrate on making money, okay? And then eventually I'll take her out. Otherwise it's not gonna happen. If I can't pay for the whole bill, I'm not, I'm just not gonna do it. Sorry.
- [03:40]
A
Yeah, I, I love that you're saying that because, I mean, honestly, you know, I come from a Latin culture, right? I was born in Brazil and, and it's the same thing. In Brazil, men behave like men, like old school men, they pay for dates, they provide, etc. Etc. But it's funny enough because I've been in the United States pretty much my entire life. I don't think it's a cultural thing like you said. I think by nature men are providers and women want to feel they're being taken care of. I think that's a big part of the attraction and the seduction and the dating game. So when I hear men here in the United States. The other day, this guy was texting me on social media like, oh, you got in this modern day and age, why don't you just go 50, 50? I don't want to be on a date that I gotta split a be with a guy. I do that with my best friends, you know?
- [04:32]
B
Yeah, Yeah. I, I would honestly be embarrassed if I've ever just been next to someone and his woman is taking out, you know, the credit card. I remember. Look, there's certain situations, if it's your birthday or something and your girl wants to, you know, spend, you know, dinner on you, that's fine. Even though that's questionable too for me, but that's fine. And it's not just like us Middle Eastern men. It's not just with our women. It's even when we go out with our other guy friends, we're all fighting over the bill.
- [05:03]
A
I love that.
- [05:04]
B
So, yeah, that's. I don't see it no other way. You know, anybody else that, that, that's adopting this 50, 50 type, you know, modern day. I don't, I honestly don't understand. And I'm still trying to figure it out, so I can't really give you an answer on that.
- [05:19]
A
Yeah, And I want to make it very clear for me, it's not about the money. It's not like, you know, oh, my God, I want. Honestly, I, I'm not thinking like I want, like you, you, you did post about that as well. Like, do you really think she wants a free meal? It's not about the free meal. Right. It's not about the money. I think it's so much more about the behavior and the gesture and feeling like you are with a man and not like with some boy that doesn't know how to treat a woman.
- [05:50]
B
I think it tells you a lot about your character as a man. I think it's a, also a very good first impression, you know, I mean, women are not going to follow, you know, if you're not leading. And I think part of leading is having a provider mindset. Not just protecting, but being also a provider. Because, you know, when men message me and tell me like, you know, can I have advice? I said, I'm gonna ask you a simple question. When you go on dates, do you ever, ever have her pay the bill? And you know, one guy will be like, well, you know, it all depends on who asks who. I'm like, okay. Another guy will tell me, well, you know, I'll let her pay for the first or I'll. I'll pay for the first date, but then the second date she's got to pay me because, like, why would I pay for the second date? So, yeah, just me going back and forth with these guys, and sometimes they don't like my answers. And I honestly don't care. You Know, I mean, just the way it is.
- [06:47]
A
But let's say these guys that have this crazy mindset, they don't know how to behave and how to treat a woman, are they fix, like, can you actually fix their behavior? Can you help them? Is it changeable? Or do you think if, if a guy thinks from the get go that he shouldn't be a provider, that's it? Is it like a massive red flag and we should just run away?
- [07:07]
B
No, I, I do think it could be changed. Okay. But I'll tell you, it starts with women. Believe it or not, a lot of women nowadays are also enabling these men. They're allowing this 5050 treatment. I'm not talking about women like you. I know you have standards and everything else, but there's a lot of women that are like, you know what? Most of these men that I've dated are all about 50, 50, so I might as well. You cannot enable men, otherwise they're going to, you know, keep doing it. So it starts with women, you know, I agree.
- [07:38]
A
Look, listen, I'm a woman. I, I tell you, it never ever happened to me in my entire dating life, which is, has been six years, ever since my husband died. I. No man ever ask me, oh, can we split? Can we share? No, no, no. Every single man I date, they know how they're supposed to treat me. So I agree with you. I think we said the standards. But that being said, what would you recommend? Let's say a woman out there is listening and she has been in this situation. There is this girl, like exploding on Tik Tok right now because she went on a date with a guy and at the end of the dinner, he was like, well, I'm only going to pay for this meal if you go home with me. Which is like crazy, not acceptable. But a girl out there listening, that has been in this situation. What do you suggest?
- [08:27]
B
I think, you know, before even entering, you know, a date with any man, I think doing a little research on the man and looking at some of his, you know, qualities and just trying to dissect this man before you even go on a date, I think is very important. I think learning about what, what made him successful, you know, how he became successful, his values. You know, again, you can sometimes tell a man, you know, that's traditional. I mean, if you look at my page, obviously you could tell that I'm a traditional man. So you can sometimes, you know, get little clues before even going on the date. But let's just say you do go on the date, you Misjudged this man. You thought he might have been, you know, maybe a little traditional and maybe the provider guy, and he wasn't. That's it. You don't move any four, you don't move forward. I mean, you just. If he tells you, hey, you know, I'm gonna pay my part, you're gonna pay your part, I would say pay the whole bill and just never talk to him again, you know, honestly, keep your pride, like, you know what I'm saying? Because that will, that will destroy the little ego that this man still has left, you know?
- [09:39]
A
I totally agree with you. Yeah.
- [09:41]
B
And maybe that will change his approach for the next girl. That's why don't enable men. Right? Because that girl who destroyed this man's ego on this date, he probably doesn't want to go through that again, you know what I mean? So he's got to change, he's got to change his approach.
- [09:57]
A
I totally agree with you. You actually did a post that I love so so much. The difference between a boy B o y and a man M A N. Do you remember off the top of your head?
- [10:12]
B
I think, I think the boy is, you know, basically the burden.
- [10:16]
A
You know, I believe that was on you, right? B on you.
- [10:20]
B
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's true though. It's true. Like, and, and also for the women that, and I always tell girls, I joke around sometimes. I said, don't date a man that, you know, that, that new hairstyle, the broccoli hairstyle.
- [10:36]
A
I said you never date about that. Yeah, that's on your three red flags.
- [10:40]
B
Yeah, I said never ever date those men. Those men are Most likely the 50, 50 guys, I promise you.
- [10:49]
A
Yeah. So you said boy burden on you. Totally. And men meet all needs. And I never forgot that. I literally memorized that because it always works. And it has nothing to do with age, by the way. It has nothing to do because it can be a 50 year old, a 6 year old boy and it could literally be the other way around. You gotta pay attention on how they act. Right?
- [11:14]
B
I agree, I agree. I mean, I was, I was the same way, you know, in my teens. And I already told you the story that, you know, compared to what I am right now, I've been, I've always been the same way. It's just, you're right, age doesn't always matter. I will say as a man gets older, he, most of the time he knows a little bit more of what he wants than, you know, when he's younger. So that's the only thing I can really talk about. And I know there's some men that are in their 50s, are still, you know, fboys or whatever they call them. But there's also men that are all about their, you know, their family, all about their women and, you know, everything else. And by the way, I practice what I preach. I mean, I can bring you witnesses if you need me to. I. There's, you know what I mean, everything that I post, it's not for. Because I'm, I'm fake. This is exactly how I am in person.
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A
Yeah, that was going to be one of my questions. So it's not just like a social media show. It's really how you are. All of these things that you're saying, it's how you think it's. And it's what you believe in, right?
- [12:18]
B
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's 100 what I believe in. And again, it's not like, it's not like my mother told me, hey, you have to be this way with a woman. It's not, it's. It's me just paying attention to certain things as I got older. And I, like I said, I've believe. It's just so, so much more instincts than somebody actually telling you, hey, you have to, you know, pay for the woman or provide for the woman and you know, everything else, it's, it's more instincts.
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A
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B
Yeah, 100%. And you shouldn't have to. You should always keep your, you know, your standards as high as you possibly can, and somebody will meet those standards. And if nobody does, then enjoy your life. Like.
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A
Yeah. And it's like you said, you know, it starts with us. I think if you accept certain behaviors like the guys tell you, oh, pay for half of this, pay for half of that.
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B
You.
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A
If you start accepting the way they treat you, you're telling them how you can be treated, how the. The standards you. That you don't. Don't mind that you are agreeing with. Right.
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B
Yeah, they. They'll use, you know, whatever advantages they can use, and if they feel like you're a weak woman, they'll. They'll kind of work on that, you know?
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A
On what.
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B
What's her weaknesses? Let me just go after this. Oh, she always forgives me, so I can constantly make mistakes. So you as a woman have to kind of just be cognizant, you know, be cognizant of your environment, be cognizant of the person that you're with and just never be taken advantage of. You know, it's. It's good to be. You know, it's good to be a good person and try to forgive, but you don't. You. There's limits, you know?
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A
Totally.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Look, listen, I totally agree with you. I've made all these mistakes, and this is why nowadays, I know I have my boundaries, and I know exactly what I accept and what I don't. A few years ago. That's a funny one. You're gonna cringe. I was dating this guy, he was very, very wealthy, right? He exited his company for millions and millions of dollars. So he had way more money than me. And I remember the first time we were gonna go on a weekend getaway. I had a business trip to Las Vegas. And I said, let's go here. And he was like, oh, yeah, sure, I'm gonna go with you. And I never forgot that we were having breakfast, and he was like, I tell you what, I will pay for the dinners, but you pay for the hotel. And I was so naive. No, listen to this. You're gonna cringe. I was. I was not the same Catherine that I am today. This was like four years ago. I was like, okay. And because it was our first weekend getaway, I'm like, I want to get a really nice hotel, right? So I got us one of the fanciest, most fabulous suites at the Cosmopolitan Hotel. This is like a 600 night suite. And for me at the time, it was a. It was a big deal for me to pay for this, you know?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So anyhow, cutting the story short, we get there, this spectacular suite, one of the most beautiful views of Las Vegas. He's like, wow, this is so nice. And I remember thinking, like, why am I doing this for the. And by the way, he was sitting in the car waiting for me, and I'm doing the check in everything by myself.
- [17:44]
B
Oh, that's not good. That's not good. Did you. Did you realize there was something wrong with that?
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A
That's when I started clicking, like, why am I doing this for this guy? This man should be doing this stuff for me. I want to be treated like that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I don't want to be providing these experiences for this dude. You know, it started, like, clicking in my head, like, I don't want to be the man in this relationship.
- [18:10]
B
Yeah. Yeah. And it took that bad experience for you to kind of get out of that little. That little phase because this. You said this guy was successful.
- [18:19]
A
He was. Yeah. That's the. That's the crazy part. This guy is. Was or is because he's not there. The multi millionaire. He had way more money than me and science there. Working and paying for, like, that day made me feel like, okay, this guy is not behaving like a man. I mean, I'm not sure this is the right. Right. But it's not the money. It's not even the $600. I want to feel like most women that you are planning the romantic weekends that you. That you want me to have that treatment, you know, the princess treatment.
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B
Yeah, exactly. And you know, I agree with you 100. It's not about whether you're rich or not. Okay. Because 99% of the world is not rich.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, for men, it's, you know, I'm sure you know the statistic. It's 1%.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, that make a certain, that make over a couple hundred thousand or whatever it is. But it's about, first of all, it's about, you know, living within your own means. Okay? Live within your own means. Let's say you're with a woman. Live within your own means. That's fine. If she understands that, that's fine. But never allow her to pay. Whether it's, you know, the. I don't even, like, she shouldn't even know what your bills are. Okay. And never allow her to pay anything at dinner, anything like that. And again, you don't have to go to, you know, restaurants that are a thousand dollars a night. But even if you go to a restaurant that in Your bill is 70, 80 bucks, as long as, you know, at the end of the night, I provided for this woman, I can go home without, you know, being a feminine dude and, you know, then I'm good.
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A
Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. I think you, you, you, you date within your dating pool and you go on dates that you can afford, of course, but it's more like how you're gonna treat that woman that matters. It's the gestures, right?
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B
Yeah, it's a. Gestures also. It's, it's obviously, it's planning, it's being on time, it's being considerate, being thoughtful. You know, doing some, some thoughtful things even before you get to the day. Or maybe planning something with the, the dinner host, letting them know, hey, this is a special event. Just the little things that, that go a long way. Yeah. And that's about it. And, and again, I feel like sometimes my posts are taken a little bit out of context where men will always send me messages. Well, I, I'm broke. I always tell men. I'm like, this is not about you being broke. This is about being cheap and not having a provider mindset. I said, if you're broke, fine, but go and do something. You know what I mean? Because there's, there's. Especially if you live in the U.S. there's resources everywhere. To become a successful man, you just have to be resourceful. Yeah, be resourceful, become a successful man, and then start dating. Don't date while you're broke. You know what I mean?
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A
That's.
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B
Seriously.
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A
Oh, My words, that's don't date while you're broke. If you are broke, maybe you should pause on dating and you should focus on fixing your financial chaos. Dating should not be a priority for you. I want to talk about the. Because I thought that was so funny and if you, if you didn't memorize all of them, it's fine. Of course.
- [21:44]
B
Yeah, yeah. Well I had like 700 posts so I'm not going to memorize all of them.
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A
The three green flags and the three red flags, do you remember them? I can help you, cuz start me
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B
off, Start me off really quick.
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A
Okay. And you said let's do the red flags first. And I agree. And I thought that was fun. The first one you started talking the hairstyle. Why do you think the hairstyles are?
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B
We talked about that. Because mostly it's the younger generation that have this hairstyle. It's the Gen Z, you know, and most of the Gen Z are the ones that really believe and adopted the 5050 split.
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A
Oh God.
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B
And it's just, it's just really like, it just doesn't make you look like a man when you have, when you have to perm your hair every single week, you know, or whatever they do it put grease on and all this other stuff, but whatever. That's one of them. Yeah, the second, the other one was the vape.
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A
Yes. Yeah, you said like if a guy vape, but I'm going to say if a guy's more smokes, I do not want to date a smoker. But you said if a guy vapes, red flag run.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I, I, I, I don't agree 100 with the smoking part, but definitely the vape. Now I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do, I do smoke hookah and that's part of like my culture.
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A
Yeah, no, that's totally different.
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B
That's manly. That's very manly.
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A
Yeah, that's very masculine. I love that. But like a dude smoking the, the cigarettes, you know, you smell like cigarette.
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B
I'm like, oh yeah, that part. Yeah, it's disgusting.
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A
Yeah, it's disgusting.
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B
You know, I leave my friend's house sometimes and he smokes cigarettes and when I get home I swear I smell like a chimney. Like I have to, I have to throw my clothes away. So I get what you're saying.
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A
Disgusting. And the third one, which we both agree, the 5050 guy, like dude, you
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B
know, don't do that goes, that goes without saying. And I'm going to continue talking about it until you know, it gets, it gets to some men. You know, I mean most of my, most of my page are, are women. But you'll be surprised how many men actually DM me for advice. I get a lot of men.
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A
You should start a school for men. Like, no kidding. Yeah. Everyone tells me start a school like, because men at all ages need to learn how to behave like men. And I know this is a hot take, but I agree with you, even if you insist, even for those guys, like, I'm going to be the 50, 50 group. You are not going to date a high value woman. You are never going to find a high value woman if you keep treating her like that, you know, period. That's what I think.
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B
I agree. I agree. And no high value woman is going to put up with, with a 50, 50 guy. And like I said, she shouldn't have to. That's. There's no way, you know, so. Yeah, that's definitely a. Yeah, totally.
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A
Let's do the green. Green flags because we need some green flags. And I agree with your green flags. The first one you mentioned is if someone has the same friends for a really long time.
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B
Yeah, yeah. I think, I think that just proves loyalty, you know, I think, I think somebody that's, you know, stayed friends with somebody. I think it's consistency and loyalty. And those are two characteristics that you definitely want in a man. You know, besides all the other stuff and leadership and stuff like that. I think those are definitely something that should be high on your charts when looking for a man.
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A
Yeah. And on the same token, if you guys are dating for a little bit and he introduces you to people that know him. Right. Friends. I think that's a really great sign because I do believe it's a red flag if the dude you're dating doesn't have any friends and never introduces you to anyone.
- [25:27]
B
You agree? Yeah, I do. 100. I think it's a big thing for men when you finally introduce the woman that you know you're with to your friends. Because men typically don't introduce women they're not going to take seriously to their closest friends or their parents or whatever it is. But if you're going to take a woman seriously, you, you know, you want to do that. You want to introduce her to your best friends and you know, because you feel like, first of all, if a woman doesn't, if you can't bring a woman out and you don't feel like a woman's going to respect you and act right, you're not going to take her Seriously, to begin with. So you're not even going to bring around your friends, but if you're going to. If. If she fits your criteria and respects you and, you know, acts a certain way, of course you're going to bring around your friends because you know she's not going to embarrass you.
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A
Yeah, totally. I agree. And another one, I mean, this one should go without saying. Saying. But I have to agree with you. A red flag is someone that is not gossipy. Right. If you're with a guy and he's not talking about others and like. No, no, totally agree with you. That's a good, nice, beautiful, red, green flag.
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B
Yeah, I think gossiping and. And not to offend any woman, but I think gossiping belongs to women.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, you know, it's hard to offend them, but it's. They like to gossip. That's their thing.
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A
Yes, but I don't like women that. If you're. If I meet women that are talking about other people behind their back, I also think that's a red flag.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a lot more normal than it is for a man to be gossiping. You know what I mean? Like, the only time I typically hear gossiping is at the barbershop. But I also know, see, in my community, I was one of the first, you know, guys to actually come out and, you know, talk on Tik Tok and on Instagram and things like that. So. So it was a big thing. So, like, people are like, what is he doing? Like, is. Is he going through a midlife crisis? What? He must, you know, he must have had really hard divorce. Just things like that.
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A
You know what I mean?
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B
And obviously, these are the type of men that will never say it to your face.
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A
And the third red flag, which obviously I think is the most important of them all. A man that plans dates, nice dates, opens doors, like the small gestures. Right. I agree with you. I think that's like a massive, massive green flag. And I think every guy should do that.
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B
And I, I also. That also boils down to instincts, again, I think, you know, nice gestures and opening up doors and. Look, I'm not special, you know, it's. I'm not doing anything that I don't feel.
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A
Hold on one sec. Okay, here we go. We're back. We're back. I'm sorry about that. Yeah, we had a little issue. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah.
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B
So I don't feel like I'm this. Oh, my God, you know, all these women, you know, they'll Comment. Oh, my God, this is, you know, he's so rare. I don't feel that way. I think this is just basic stuff. I think this is bare minimum stuff. So when I talk about all these things, I don't think that I'm exceptional by any means. I think this is just normal things. Now, being exceptional is. There's some things that you could do to be exceptional. You know, take a take, you know, you have your own private J and stuff like that's exceptional. Like, I'm not that. I just, you know, these are basics for me. Providing for a woman, opening up doors, just being a good person. And I just think it comes from instinct. And, you know, I'm a proud Lebanese man and I'll always be a proud man. And I have a lot of pride. And I think being prideful is. Is actually a good thing.
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Yeah, look, I agree. I wish every man, you know, would listen to you because like you said, it's. They should be proud of acting like a man. For me, it's not even about the private jet or anything, honestly. It's the really small gestures, like you said. Are you planning an amazing date? Are you communicating maybe? Are you bringing flowers? The first date, Huge bonus points. Do you open the car door? Like, I'm shocked. Like, how many men nowadays don't even do that? Do they stand up when you stand up? Most guys nowadays, they don't even know how to behave. They literally treat you like you're one of their buddies. And no woman wants to feel like that. You know, we want to feel like you are treating us like a woman so we can be in our feminine energy. But I would think every guy wants to be acting like a man with their date.
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Yeah, some guys can't handle it and, you know, it might be too hard on them. But I'll tell you, there's a lot of Middle Eastern men that don't just do it with one wife. They have multiple wives that they practice this traditional way. They have two, three, four wives. And all four of their wives get the same treatment, get the same, you know, they all have their own houses. They all have, you know, they get the same treatment. So if a man says, well, I can't handle that with one woman, I can just promise you that there's other men that are doing it with four women and handling it just fine. So.
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A
Yeah, that's a very controversial one. Right. Because I think most women, most women, like me, would agree. They don't want to share their man.
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B
No, of course not. Of course not. You know, you'll be surprised how many women are okay with it. But I also know, especially most women in, you know, in the States, they're, they're not gonna, they're not gonna be okay with that. You know, a lot of the women that are okay with that, a lot of the times are, you know, their husband, you know, kind of passed away and, you know, they're, they live in, like, sometimes war torn, you know, areas and things like that. So I think it's different, you know, over here. You're not gonna really find that over here.
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Yeah, no. Well, I, I say for me, and I think a lot of women agree with me. When I am in a relationship, what turns me on is to feel that I belong, that I'm with that man, my man.
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B
Yeah.
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I don't want to be with a bunch of men, so, so I want to feel the same, you know, energy coming from my man. I want to be with a guy that's like, oh, my God, I want to be with Catherine. I don't want to be with a guy that's like, you know, all over the place because it's, it's just, I don't know, it turns me off. And I think most women are like that, right? When you're in a relationship.
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B
Yeah. 100. 100. Look, it's like, you know, you, if, if, if that ever happens, just tell them, hey, you know, you can be with me and I have like 10 different personalities you can have. That's it.
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A
You know, there you go.
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B
That's like 10 different women.
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A
I, I don't think you ever did a post about sex but I want to ask you really quickly about it, your opinion because there are a lot of experts and, and matchmakers la la that I've had on the show and they believe that you go on a few dates with someone and you're dating that person and, and if you have sex very quickly like in the second, third, fourth day, the man loses interest. You know, it's a bad idea that you should withhold sex until you guys are like more in a monogamous relationship. It's a very controversial question all the time. I, I'm from the school of that you should just go with the flow and feel the vibe and, and if it feels right for you, do it. But do you think in general men will lose interest if the woman just agrees to have sex too soon?
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B
I think naturally a man loves the chase and when the chase ends too soon, yeah, that could be a, a turn off for a man. So I would say for any women that are listening, I would say, you know, hold off, try to, try to play the game. Okay. Because men love the chase.
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Yeah.
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And I also say, you know, make sure that he's serious about you. You know what I mean? So like conversations need to happen whether at dinner, whether your Second date, third date, you know, what do you want from me? Basically? You know what I mean? So you need to have these serious
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conversations, but the conversation is a tough one because a lot of guys, they will say whatever today, you know, they're like, yeah, I really like you. Oh, my God, you're perfect for me. La, la, la. And yeah, you know, how so at what point? Because for me, I. I take my time for sure, because I need to be mentally connected. But at some point, like seven days, eight days, neither. I want to know if we have chemistry, you know, because, yeah, I don't want to keep dating someone. So how do you know? Do you think there's a way to measure that, to figure out when it's the right time?
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Yeah, it's tough to say, but I think, yeah, just be smart about it. So, you know, you had this little window, right? And every single time you figure something else out about him or like something about the window gets you open it up a little bit, you know, until you. Until it's completely open. And now you're like, you know what? I feel good about this. You know, I'm gonna go with this. And you know what? If you're wrong, then you're wrong. You at least have what we call life lessons, and those are more important than anything, okay? Those really form us, you know, and who we are today. They make us stronger, you know, all yada, yada, yada. You already know how it is, you know?
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Oh, yeah, that's why I have the show. Because the show has been like six years of lessons so I can share with everyone. And I think we get better and better and better. I think our radar, right, gets better and better and better. I always say it's, it's. And you probably agree with me. I always say here on the show and on my social media, don't listen so much to what a man tells you. It's more about how he acts. I think actions are way more because everybody can talk, talk, talk, but the way he treats you and how he acts towards. Towards you, I think that speaks volumes. Do you agree?
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B
Yeah, I agree 100%. I think it goes both ways, too. I think, you know, when we talk about everything a man should be doing and providing and everything, I think there's. There's roles that women should have to do as well. And when I say roles, I don't mean, you know, being a maid. Like, I, I don't. I don't need you to. To cook and clean for me. I can get that anytime. I Want. I don't need that. I need a woman that's going to enter my realm, enter my. My workspace, and be a team player. I need her to, you know, try to multiply what I do and multiply what I make and at the end of the day, give me a piece. That way I can wake up the next day and continue being successful.
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A
Yeah, I love that. You know, you did a post, and I personally agree with you that you said only a very strong man can handle strong women. And I am from the opinion, and I know a lot of people don't agree with me, that most men are intimidated by strong women, by successful women. So I agree with what you wrote. And on the same token, you wrote, you need a strong man that can handle a strong woman. And a weak man will always say, oh, she has an attitude, she's difficult, she's toxic. Right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I completely agree with you on this one.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. A weak man obviously is going to make a lot of excuses, number one, for himself. So what do you think he's going to do when he's in a relationship? He's going to constantly make excuses in the relationship. So you don't. You never want a weak man, because a weak man that makes excuses and feels sorry for himself constantly is going to depend on you for nurturing, is going to depend on you for. For lifestyle, for money. He's just going to be very dependent on the woman that he's with. You don't want a man like that. You want a man that's, you know, ready to go to war for you, you know, ready to take on everything for you. You know, you have this company, Good for you. Keep that company. You know what I mean? Like, in my past relationships, I never stopped, you know, anyone from pursuing their dreams. I actually pushed them to it, you know, because while they're pursuing their dreams, I'm pursuing mine, you know, so.
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A
And you don't feel intimidated because you have a super strong personality. And that's what. And that's the kind of guy we.
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B
Sure. Yeah. Not at all.
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A
Yeah, I want to talk about your style before we run out of time, because it's sick. It's so fabulous. Guys, I am putting the link to his Instagram here if you are not following him, because, my God, every man should dress half as nice as you do.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Were you. Yeah. Were you always like this? Did you. How'd you learn? Is it a natural instinct? Can we teach it? Because let me tell you, I love a great sense of style. Right When I go on a date, every single guy ever dated, of course they're like, oh, my God, you look like a million bucks. I go all out. No matter what kind of date, I always look like a million bucks for my man every single time. I put a ton of effort. So of course I want the man to be right there, but most guys are not. So tell me about yours. Do you think it's teachable or do you think, like, if you have it or not?
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B
No. No. I mean, yeah, dressing is very, very teachable. By the way, I do have a fashion page, too, on my tik Tok as well. Besides my relationship, it's definitely teachable. And I. I feel like, you know, part of being a man is also the way you feel and the way you walk into a room. And I don't think you can walk into a room with confidence by wearing a hoodie or, you know, whatever it is. I think you need to dress the part. Dress the part. And, you know, we see this in movies, we see this in shows. We see this hundreds of years ago. Men, the mobs, you know, the. The successful men, they all dressed in suits. They all dressed in, know, nice clothes, and it demanded respect. And. And I feel like, yeah, it's teachable. And if you want to learn, you know, can add my. My. Add my page.
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A
Oh, my God. Yeah, please. Look, I agree with you because I always say, right? And it's not because I live in Beverly Hills, but I believe that the better you dress, the better the world treats you in every aspect. Dating, business, it's just the way it is. There's the famous scene right on Rodeo Drive from Julia Roberts. And because I live in Beverly Hills, people always ask me, oh, is it true that people treat you like when you go to the stores? And I'm like, yes, of course it's true. Because, you know, you are your best business card. So if you show up at a store dressed like that, of course they're gonna think you don't have money. It's just the way life is. And I'm like, don't shoot the messenger. If you dress really, really well, people are going to behave towards you a different way. And I. And it's funny because I see so many guys out there that I'm not talking.
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B
I'm.
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A
If you. If you're a gazillionaire and you have a few money and you want to wear jeans and a T shirt. Okay, whatever. I'm not.
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B
I'm talking about small exceptions here. Yeah, Very tiny. Very tiny. Yes.
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A
But like most of us, if you dress amazing, people are gonna treat you better. Why do you think there are no more guys that put effort into how they dress?
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B
Yeah, so, like, the, the guys that you're talking about, I, I honestly don't see it until I'm on social media. Like, everybody that I'm around, we all Dr. Oh, really? All my friends, everybody that I surround myself with, we all dress the part. And I think the people that you're talking about, I think that goes back to, you know, a certain type of mindset and a certain type of masculinity that somehow they just don't have. And those are things that are teachable for sure, you know?
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Okay.
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B
And that's. Let's work on teaching them.
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A
I agree. So guys, if you're listening up and you need, I think, don't be like, insulted. I think if anybody needs help with their dating game, their style game and everything, get help. Reach out to us because you are on top of your game. I think your work is fantastic. Thank you so much for standing up for women. You do an amazing job. Last but not least, you must get. So what is your, your, your status right now? Are you single? Are you in a situationship? Are you married? Because you must get. Get dozens and dozens of messages on your inbox. I can only imagine so.
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B
Oh, my God, the inbox is crazy.
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A
The inbox.
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B
Yeah, I am. I, I just got engaged not too long ago.
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A
Oh, wow. Congratulations. Who's the lucky lady? Can you tell us how you guys met?
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B
Thank you. We met through a, through a friend.
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A
Okay.
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B
And it wasn't, it wasn't so pleasant in the beginning. It was a little rocky in the beginning because, you know, I messaged her and I think she took about eight hours to respond to me.
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A
Oh, wow. She played the game.
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B
She played the game. Yes. There you go. And that's, that's how I continued to try to pursue her.
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A
Does she have an Instagram to teach us how to play the game?
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B
No, she's. She's private. Is private.
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A
Cuz I, I tell. Although I do the podcast, I would say I do not play games ever. So I'm not the best. I, I'm just like. I, I respond right away if I like. I'm just like, no. A no game player. So.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. Now there, there's a pretty big age gap between me and her, so it is very challenging. So I'm still trying to, you know, try to perfect this, but it's, it's a very challenging, you know, situation.
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A
You guys are engaged. I mean, she must be the right person for you, I guess, right?
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B
Yeah, yeah. No, for sure. Obviously, you wouldn't get engaged to somebody you don't think is right. But, you know, as you know, in relationships, there's ups and downs, and you got to try to work through the chaos, not through all the good moments.
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A
There you go. So, ladies, you know, I will not give you his contact. However, follow his page for fantastic dating advice. And please, if you have some Lebanese friends that are single, send them our way, because I never dated a Lebanese guy before, but I like your game so much. I'm like, you know what? I think I'm gonna go towards that.
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B
That area you need to visit. You need to visit two places. Okay? You need to visit.
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A
Okay.
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B
Number one, you need to visit another country called Lebanon. Okay? That's where I'm from. Number two, if you don't want to go to another country, you need to visit Michigan. Specifically a city called Dearborn.
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A
Oh, Dearborn. Look, pen, paper.
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B
Dearborn. It's. It's. It's all Lebanese, man with the same mindset.
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A
Oh, wow. Feel free to be on the hunt for me, okay? If you want to match me, go for it.
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B
Okay, I got you.
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A
Why are they. Why are they in Michigan, though? Why are they mission? Would they move to Beverly Hills?
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B
Yeah, I mean, if the right opportunity came along. I mean, they're all over the place. But most of the Lebanese men,
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A
our
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B
great grandfathers, came here to work, you know, because we had the Ford, you know, Ford. Henry Ford. Yeah, things like that. So they came here to work, so we got stuck here in the worst weather states, but, you know, yeah, it's nice.
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A
Sometimes that's the only problem for me because we have such fabulous weather here. I'm not sure I would. I would move there, but noted. Maybe I'll come for a visit with my single girlfriends and then maybe we can do another episode with you live.
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B
Yeah, I'll show you around.
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A
Yeah. And listen, if you come with your fiance to Beverly Hills, please let me know because it would be a huge honor hosting you guys here.
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B
Thank you. Thank you.
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A
Thank you so much. Thank you for everything you do. Thank you for your incredible posts. They are very inspiring. Please do open a. A dating academy. Like a man academy, how guys should behave.
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B
I'll work on it.
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A
I'll work out because you are fantastic. Fantastic. And guys, if you're listening to the audio episode, the link is right here. Go follow him. For daily inspiration on how to behave like a man, how to treat women and how to dress because you kill it.
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B
Thank you. Thank you so much.
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A
It was a huge honor having you. Thank you. I really appreciate you. And. And congratulations on the engagement.
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B
Thank you. Thank you. Honors all mine. I appreciate you having me. Bye.
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A
Bye, guys. Be safe out there, and I'll talk to you very soon.
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B
Bye. Bye.