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C
Diana Romanov, welcome to Canada. It's such an honor having you here.
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D
Thank you for having me. Thank you.
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C
Thank you. You're such a kick ass divorce attorney. And obviously it's unfortunate to say that so many people need the help of divorce attorneys. But hey, if they do, they might as well fall in the right hands. Right Diana?
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D
That's right. That's right.
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C
I have so many questions. So let's rock and roll and get started because I want to try to pack in as much information as possible. I'm going to start with a really tough one. Okay. And just you can be as honest as you can. Do you think the court system in general is fair to women when it comes to divorce? And I will explain to you why I'm asking this question.
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D
Oh, well, I view a court system case by case. So I practice in the Bay Area, California and I study the judge. If I have a feeling that I'm representing a woman and a judge has a history of certain situations where the judge is not treating women correctly, then I file a so called 170.6 motion and it goes also for men. And. And then I disqualified this judge from the get go. I had to do it Only a couple times I had a situation where. In Covid, the judge. There was a situation where we were in trial. I got. I was representing women. I got Montessori school for the child, and. And the father said, I don't want to enroll the child into Montessori anymore. And so we had to file an ex part after an ex parte to get the child into Montessori. And eventually we, of course, got the ex part agreement because we went to trial on this topic, and we won in Covid. And so then we filed for sanctions in the same court, but another judge was there. And the judge not only did not give us sanctions, he reversed the ruling that we already went to trial on and spent so much time and money. And then when I said, you can do that, we went to trial on this. And. And father used the same argument he used in trial. I live with my mother in the house, and I don't want the child to go to Montessori because she could be exposed to Covid.
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C
Huh.
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D
So that argument didn't go well. And the judge hang up on us. So he said, I'm done with you. And he hang up. I reported this judge, and ever since I was disqualifying this judge under 170.6.
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C
I am so happy you're bringing this up. And now you're going to understand why I literally. And I get messages from women all over the world, by the way, not just the United States, that they're getting trashed in court. I literally have two friends here in Los Angeles right now going through divorce. Who. One of them has been trying to get divorced for five years. She was on the show a few weeks ago. And the judge for. And I don't think every attorney knows what you just mentioned that you can disqualify a judge. And I'll tell you why. Because in my friend's case, she is trying to get divorced from her husband for five years. She's not a millionaire, by the way, guys. She's a social worker on a salary. And the judge gave this man her entire house. It's the first time in the history of California that a spouse receives, like, 100% of this Epstein credit, I think it's called. It's unheard of. And they did not let her talk in court. Her attorney didn't help her. She's, like, losing her home. She's losing everything. And this dude comes from a rich family. He is in perfect age to work. He keeps claiming that he's disabled. And my friend is getting destroyed in Court. So maybe is this the problem of not being with the right attorney? Diana.
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D
Sometimes I do get clients and I tend to be careful when I'm attorney number four. But there were cases where I, you know, accepted a client where first attorney didn't represent. Well, usually it happens when a client is very desperate to find an attorney within 24 hours. And then the first attorney who picks up offers a flat rate. In family cases, I would avoid flat rates because what happens is once the attorney receives the money, they do some work. But there is no more human incentive to go and fight for three years if the ex turns out to be very difficult to deal with. So then, then she goes, or he goes to attorney number two. Attorney number two is trying to recover all the mess that has happened. And then attorney number three. And then by the time I'm in the case, everything already happened. And so what I noticed sometimes, well, we need to hire forensic accountant from the first day of separation so someone can do proper post separation accounting for abstinent credit for Watts, credit for all kinds of credits. Yeah, so called post separation accounting, reimbursement claims, and then this. So I basically treat that, that kind of case as if I am the first attorney.
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C
So let me ask you a question because obviously not every woman can afford a kick ass attorney such as yourself, right? A lot. Like for example, my friend, she's a, she's been a social worker for 25 years. I don't even know how she's handling. Any suggestions for those who cannot pay? Like obviously if you fall in the right hands, if they fall in your hands, much more likely that everything is going to be resolved in a proper manner. But a lot of women are not able to do that. Any tips for those women probably listening right now that are like, oh my God, what am I going to do?
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D
It's a tough question, Zeke. If you want to go to war, you have to have the bullets. And if you don't have the bullets, then you gotta study. So what? And that's what I did. I realized not all people are able to afford my services. And so I wrote a book.
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C
Oh, I'll show you. Okay guys, listen up because I agree, the more information you have. I love that. Divorce like a boss. Where's the book available, Diana? Everywhere, Amazon in four formats.
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D
And also I have YouTube channel with over 500 videos. So basically when I what happened is I got clients asking me the same type of questions. What if I'm not a prevailing party in domestic violence? Do I need to pay the fees? What If I am prevailing party. What about custody? What about spousal support? I created a video, 17 minute long video about spousal support. Instead of paying half an hour consultation about explain to me California law on spot. So it attracts different type of people with visual or. Some people like to read, some people like to listen. So obviously your audience likes to listen. So that's why I started YouTube explaining everything and then once they listen and study everything and then there are questions remaining, what I suggest is to schedule half an hour to an hour which is manageable. Right. It's not a whole retainer and strategize. I had a client who did everything herself, motion to compel spousal. And she would book from time to time and we would go on recorded line on, on zoom and correct her filings and then she would file and she would be reporting to me how successful she was.
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C
Wow, I love that idea. That's like very, very, very good, practical ideas. I'm putting the link of your YouTube channel here on this episode. For you guys that are listening to the audio episode and people that are watching the video here on YouTube, your YouTube channel is here. I think the more educated we are, right. The better we can protect ourselves. But I kind of agree with you, like from the get go, a lot of people go to cheap attorneys in the beginning because they're like, oh, I'm gonna save money. But I think the cheap may end up being expensive in the long run because like you said, usually these attorneys that don't have a lot of experience that are going to charge a flat fee, they're not going to fight for you. They are not, they don't have skin in the game. So they're not going to help as much as a more seasoned professional attorney would. So I love. They said that.
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D
Yes, that's, that's, that's working. And I have constantly ongoing clients on consultation basis to strategize and to correct course.
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C
Yeah, that's fabulous. Now I want to ask something else and you can give me your personal opinion. How about. Because I see that a lot. Same thing. One of my girlfriends is getting divorced here. Her husband is a very healthy 59 year old dude and he's telling the judge, I cannot work, she needs to pay for everything. A really famous case now in the media you must have seen Denise Richards and her husband. Total loser douchebag. Like, oh, I cannot work, I'm gonna go homeless. I mean these are grown ass healthy men who on my friend's case, by the way, Diana, he rides Motorcycles. Like, we literally see he, he bought everything with her money, of course. He's like riding motorcycles every Sunday. We literally filmed him. Filmed him. And I said, show the judge. Tell your attorney to show the judge these videos. That this, pardon my French, is saying that you have to pay all his bills, you have to pay support because he's disabled and he's out and about enjoying life. And her attorney was like, oh, no, it's not the right time to show the judge. And I was like, why? Why are these men getting away with this? I want your inputs on that.
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D
You know, I just settled a case that was going on very similar to this one. I received, well, a phone call about four years ago from a woman whose lawyer died. I was like, okay, well, I can take on this case. And so similar. He was on disability, living in her house with a child and driving Maserati. On disability. Yeah.
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C
It's like my friend's husband, he has motorcycles, cars, la la la la la.
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D
And guitars. He had 40 guitars. And he wasn't working, so he was receiving his disability. And then eventually I couldn't, I was telling my client, we need to do something about it. And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we, we hired an accountant, we calculated everything to divorce for divorce purposes, dividing assets and debts and post separation accounting. They were married for seven years and she was supporting him already for seven years.
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C
Wow.
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D
So you need to stop. So basically the first thing first, I told her, you created a monster. You need to get on it. So the most difficult part was to get her on board. And then once I got her on board, we filed a motion to terminate spousal support. That's it. If the marriage is long term, let's say, if it's over 10 years, the court might say, well, I don't have jurisdiction where I don't have the authority to terminate it because the divorce is ongoing. But then I would hire a vocational evaluator who would evaluate this man to see what's going on, potentially even independent medical evaluator to see if his disability while driving is legitimate and attack credibility. Credibility is everything in family court.
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C
Yeah.
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D
So, yeah.
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C
So let me ask you a question. Like, let's say in this case, right, my friend, her husband is like riding this fancy motorcycles around, and he's telling the judge, I cannot work, I hurt my back, I'm disabled. Shouldn't her attorney present this evidence like you said you did for your client? Why would an attorney tell their client like, oh, no, let's not show this to the judge.
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D
She's thinking, I don't think I would need to know more. There is potentially some strategy, but it could be that some attorneys don't like confrontation. They would like to settle. And that's a legitimate cost concern. If you start putting things out, then it becomes very, very high, contentious and litigate, it becomes a trial. Because then he says, well, are you saying I'm not legitimately, let's bring it on. And then the client would be willing, would have to be willing to pay for evaluation, vacation evaluator, medical evaluator. So it adds up very quickly and potentially the lawyer knowing that is holding back. But I, I cannot speculate. You know, speak to the attorney or the client to see what thinking behind.
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C
It's just so painful when I see hardworking women marry these dudes. Like you said, your client like my friends. Even like when I see Denise Richards. I mean she's an actor, she's doing only fans and everything. And then this guy's like, oh, I should be getting paid because she gets paid. Guys, I never thought I would say.
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D
The red flag starts from the beginning, you know?
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F
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D
I actually wrote my second book, how to Detect Red Flags and, and, and, and be married happily. So some. Sometimes I have phone calls like, he's not working for 20 years and now he wants spousal support. I'm like, why didn't you divorce him after year number one?
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C
I know. Well, I guess I would say don't marry a dude that doesn't have a job. Right. Don't put a guy in your house that doesn't do anything.
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D
You know, he might have a job at the beginning and then as soon as he thinks he got her, he will slowly, you know, lose the job and convince her why he's useful in the household, whatever she does. So I would watch out for that.
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C
Yeah. So let's say now it's interesting that you mentioned something like somebody move in, because I get these questions a lot on kind of those and I don't know how to answer. Let's say the person, the couple is not married, right? You meet someone, you really like them, you're like, okay, move in. Is there any legal grounds for that? Like let's say somebody's living with you for one year, two years, five years. So a two part question. Is there any legal grounds when you just move in someone in your home? And I guess that that would be a yes. Or does the length of how long they've been living with you in your home counts?
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D
I gotta be careful because my area of expertise starts with either when they're trying to get married with a prenup or when they got married and want to get divorced.
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C
Okay.
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D
So this is the type of, you know, kind of limbo, landlord, tenant situation. Someone moves in, doesn't pay rent or pays rent. I think this is more of a different area of law.
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C
But. No, but I mean, so I'm talking about if they get separated and they're not legally married, is there any weight in the judicial system, the court system? Like, oh, we were living together, we were practically married, but we were not married on paper.
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D
Common law marriage? Yeah.
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C
Is there such a thing?
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D
One case, one case, 1971, Marvin case, where a wife was married for many, many years, they had three kids, and they acted like, sorry, they were not married. And they acted like husband and wife. And he told her she worked for his business. Don't worry, darling, I will take care of you. I will. You know, and then when, when they separated suddenly, she got nothing. And so this was, this was a unicorn case that, that said, okay, well, we're going to, we're going to act as if and so she got spousal support and she got division of assets. Although they were not married, there are only few. I personally know so many lawyers and I don't know a single lawyer who, who specializes on Marvin Case except couple in, in the whole California because there's such unicorn cases.
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C
Oh, really? So let's say somebody moves in their girlfriend to their house, they're living together for three years, the girlfriend doesn't work like it happens a lot around here lay Beverly Hills and she moves out. Can she go to court and say, hey, he should pay my bills and everything because I was living with him or. That doesn't hold weight in court.
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D
Marvin case has specific parameters such as oral promises. And if she can prove that, he said, you know, I will take care of you. And they were acting like husband and wife, not like girlfriend. Yeah, that's, that's, that's Marvin Case potentially. So I would consult a specialist on Marvin cases.
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C
Okay, gotcha. Now since you mentioned prenups, let's talk about that because I think it's really, really important. When I got married a long time ago, I dated my husband for six years because I didn't want to get married. He was really wealthy. I made my own money, but nowhere near as much as he did. And he wanted to get married. So I'm like, okay, whatever. And he said, let's sign a prenup. And I was completely on board. I agree. I personally. And you tell me if you're grateful. I think marriage is a contract with a lot of legal ramifications. So I said, yes, absolutely, let's sign a prenup. But I know there are so many women that get offended. Like if the guy's like, let's sign up.
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D
Oh my God.
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C
What's your take on it? Should everybody sign a prenup or when should you sign a prenup? And what would you say to women that get personally offended by a prenup?
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D
Well, when people are already divorced, married, and they have assets and children and potentially building businesses and creating debts, that's a wise thing to have a prenup. Prenup doesn't need to exclude one spouse. One sided, no spousal support, and I keep all my assets and goodbye. Prenup could be also determining the rights and obligations. So it's a good starting point for mature adulting and having financial conversations. So when the honeymoon phase subsides, what would be. And after six years, I assume you were pretty sober talking about these things. How would it look like if we were to separate and that's what prenup is for.
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C
So if somebody comes to you as your client, like I'm gonna get married, do should I do a prenup or not? Do you recommend that everybody does a prenup or it's a case by case only really rich people should do a prenup. How do you approach it?
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D
I would say to people who are young and they would like to determine how the separation would look like because 50% do get separated and divorced, unfortunately, statistically, I would ask them what their plans are. How would they like. Some people say, you know, we want 50, 50 and whatever is the law. But my parents have inheritance and they told me I need to have a prenup. So then the prenup would cement California law, potentially modify something about spousal support. Maybe if they're married for 10 years or more, it will not be spousal support forever, but limited at 10 years. If, if the sales post support could be 35% of net disposable to the lower earning spouse, we can limit it to 20%. Things like that. And most importantly, inheritance. Inheritance according California law is separate property, but it gets commingled. So even though there is a prenup, I would also tell the client, please keep everything separate so that when you get the inheritance, keep in separate account, trace everything. Because with the prenup, the same principle app, the do not commingle. And if you do, you have to do the tracing. Tracing means you have to have bank statement for all the 20 years prior. So prior to marriage plus marriage for all consecutive months. So that nobody can say you spend that on in this month or deposited community on that month. So it has to be very consecutive.
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C
I see. So if some woman out there is listening and. And she's engaged to be married and she feels offended guy asking her to sign a prenup, what would you say to that? Is it a deal breaker?
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D
Or if I. Depending who I would be talking to, to women or a man. If I were representing women, I would ask her what exactly is she offended about? Because the prenup could say that because some men are, for example, wealthy, but they don't work. So even without the prenup, she get nothing. Because his separate property, let's say he has, you know, $100 million and $100 million make money. And so he lives off that money. Yeah, that separate property. Making separate properties like apple tree apples separate property. So then we could say percentage of his separate property with every. Even if it's half a percent every year capped at 20% would be hers.
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C
Okay. I think they. They get offended because they say, oh, he doesn't trust me. You know, these things. Oh, he thinks I'm marrying him for the money. I hear that a lot. Like, I get all kinds of messages like that.
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D
Right. But it's only if the prenup says you get nothing. I would defend the position that she should get something.
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C
Yeah, something. Something fair. Right.
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D
I think getting married if. If there is no shared joy and responsibility. Right.
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C
Yeah. So for people that are thinking about getting married, like you said, the divorce rate is very high. Like half. Half of all marriages fail. Right. Any tips in terms of planning and getting. I mean, you must have seen it all. Do you have maybe one or two pointers that would increase the chances of a marriage being successful?
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D
Yes. First of all, talk about everything, how to raise kids. Do you think the kids should go into private school? What religion or where would we live? You know, people get infatuated with each other and then get married. And then I ask, so what did you like about him? Well, you know, he was handsome. I'm like, what else? Well, he was such a nice guy. What else? And then I find out there was nothing other than culturally, maybe same culture, French or whatever. And then the time is ticking and. And then it turns out he's drinking, taking drugs, and she stays longer than she should and then has a kid or a second kid, and then they divorce. And then she tells, well, he was abusive all these years and he was like. And then she tells all that. But, but, well, why did you stay for 13, 15 years? So I would say in terms of planning, create a questionnaire, hundred questions that are deal breakers in a relationship, and then see if the values and interest align, because if they don't, it's going to be. The handsomeness is going to crack at some point.
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C
I think it's very good advice. I do think and believe a lot of people rush into it. Like you said, you meet someone and they're like, oh, butterfly. I have friends that they say, like, oh, I'm madly in love. Like, within two weeks of dating each other. Like, two, three weeks of dating each other, Like, I love you, love. I'm like, that is nowhere near enough time to find out. Like you said, if you really like someone, if you have similarities, I think you need to pace yourself. Right. In getting to know someone.
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D
My worst case domestic violence case are, well, they met each other and in two months they got married and got a kid. And then, well, did you know that your spouse actually already had a kid was another marriage and destroyed the other parent was the same Domestic violence fake claim. Yeah, I would study the other person how they treat you know when they go to the restaurant, how they do they treat a waiter? How do they drive? Are they aggressive? How do they act when they drink? Do they lose the patience? How would they resolve conflicts? So it's not about the honeymoon phase is easy but when first conflict hits, how do they recover from that conflict? Do they apologize? Do they suggest couple therapy? The repair is also important.
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C
How about because I also see like a lot of cases that women marry a guy and then turns out he was a crook or dishonest with his finances or you know, all that chaos. I saw like a documentary yesterday, really interesting documentary on Amazon prime about this Hollywood dude and turned out it was one of the biggest Ponzi schemes in history. I forgot the name of the documentary. He's in in federal prison now for 25 years. And the girl was clueless because she was so young when she married him. She had no idea that his multi million dollar business upon the scheme is there. Like, because I know it's a very delicate subject. Like, if you're dating someone and you say, hey, what about your finances? Is there a delicate or a proper way to get into that subject before marrying someone?
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D
Yes. I would like to see his tax returns and really all of his bank accounts, current statements.
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C
I mean, it's okay. So it's okay to say, yeah, I'll marry you, but I want to see your tax returns and your finances.
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D
Cleanup is the prenup to disclose assets and debts and income. And so part of my process is. Is to send preliminary declaration of disclosure request, which is FL142 assets and debt form that requires to attach all recent statements and credit card debts. You know, at one point, I had this client was marrying this guy, and she wanted a prenup because she was wealthy. He was not. And then at the time when he sent his disclosures, it turned out that he had a lot of debts. She was pissed. And I'm like, seriously now?
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C
Yeah, do the prenup.
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D
You're pissed. What about, like, all the years that you dated him? What about asking about his debts?
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C
I know, that's what I mean.
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D
Right.
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C
But it's such a delicate subject. But I agree with you. I think it's so important so you don't fall in somebody else's chaos. Right?
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D
Yeah. I mean, it's delicate when. When it's none of my business, but the moment I marry this person, it becomes my business because a third party can also go after wife.
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C
Oh, really?
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D
Yes.
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C
Oh, wow. So glad you're mentioning that.
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D
Yes. So it absolutely becomes her business.
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C
Oh, my God. That's very important information.
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D
That's a third party. And even with a prenup, that can happen because prenup is between parties. It's not. It doesn't bind irs. So, for example, they're married. They file joint tax returns. Let's say she doesn't make as much as he does. And then IRS goes after audit or underpayment. Who do you think they will go after?
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C
Oh, my God.
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D
It's her, too. Wow.
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C
I'm so glad you brought this up, because this is super. That's why I say you got to educate yourself before you just going crazy and getting married or eloping in Las Vegas. Now, before we run out of time, two more quick questions. We always talk about guys like millionaires, right? Oh, I want you to sign a prenup. I want you to sign a prenup. But obviously I have a huge female audience. So let's ask this question. Let's say somebody like me, I'm not a millionaire, I work really hard, but I own my business. You know, I do my show, la la la. Let's say I decide to get married again. Like a lot of women like me, they're entrepreneurs, they're business women, they work so hard. Should we be asking the guy like, yeah, I'm sorry, I really love you and everything, but I deserve to have a prenup to protect myself? Or is it like, no, you don't have enough? Or should everybody ask for that?
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D
First of all, I would not apologize. I'm sorry.
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C
I love you. I'm sorry.
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D
I would say getting married is also getting into a business partnership. And that requires full disclosure here, my full disclosure. And I would like to see your full disclosure. And then let's talk about planning together. How do you see. And sometimes the conversation is going to be who is going to pay how much for bills. I had people who created spreadsheet proportionate to their income contributing to joint account. So they, they, they went to town about that type of stuff. But that's not what prenup is for. Explain to them the prenup is for the case of divorce, not death, not marriage. Divorce, yeah. Put clause about cheating because it's against public policy. Do not include class about unborn children where they're gonna live. But I, I, I would definitely be very open, unapologetic about the fact that we need to talk about money.
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C
I love that. Ladies, listen, I agree. You have to be empowered. You have to protect your hard work, you have to protect your assets. And of course when we meet someone and we get married, we hope it a fairy tale forever, right? But unfortunately, half of the time it's not. One more quick question, Diana, because you mentioned something you said after, is it after 10 years that the, the law considers a marriage, long term marriage from.
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D
The date of marriage until the date of separation. And the date of separation is determined by two factors. A, 1, spouse says we're divorcing, our relationship is over. And second factor, that spouse acting accordingly. So no sex, no going on vacation, no holding hands, no acting like husband and wife. Wife and wife. Husband and husband basically separated.
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C
Okay?
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D
So if from that point on marriage separation more than 10 years, the court says long term marriage, which means that the court doesn't have necessarily jurisdiction or the court could terminate marriage spousal support sooner than retired, age of retirement, death of either party. But after 10 years I noticed people starting to get be well on the 10 year mark. Makes them easier to realize. Okay, this is long term marriage divorce. A lot of clients come in right before the 10 year mark.
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C
Yes, because after 10 years you supposedly you're going to pay more. Correct.
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D
If you get divorced longer for longer meaning when the marriage is shorter, then it's usually half of the length of the marriage in spousal support. So 8 year of marriage would be 4 year spousal support. But 10 year of marriage doesn't have that cap.
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C
Okay, got you. Thank you so much. So I guess the message is if you are thinking about getting married, educate yourself as much as you can and read your books. I'm definitely getting your books on Amazon right now because I love educating myself. I love learning. I was watching her videos on YouTube last night by the way, and you're fantastic. Thank you for doing that. Because ladies and gentlemen, listening. Like she said, it's free advice. So if you. Information.
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D
Information.
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C
Yeah, sorry, free information. Tons of free information. So if you think you don't want to pay or you cannot afford a fantastic alternative such as Diana, log into her YouTube channel. The link is right here on this episode. But if you're listening to this Kindle.
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D
Audiobook, so whoever listens and likes to.
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C
Listen, I'm putting all your links here. So you guys go get educated. I hope everybody lives happily ever after. But if you end up being divorced like my friends, you don't want to be in trouble. Diana, thank you so much. Was such an honor having you. Many kisses and I wish you a wonderful holiday season and I'm sure I'm gonna get hundreds of questions and I'll invite you back next season to, to come help us out again. Guys, be safe out there and I'll.
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F
See you very soon.
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C
Love you.