Kat on the Loose: END FEAR FOR GOOD – How to Stop Anxiety and Take Back Your Power with Daniel Packard

Host: Kat Zammuto
Guest: Daniel Packard, Founder of Full Liberation Technology
Date: September 10, 2025

Episode Overview

In this transformative episode, Kat sits down with Daniel Packard, founder of Full Liberation Technology, to discuss how to radically address and permanently eliminate anxiety, fear, procrastination, people-pleasing, self-doubt, and other life-limiting habits. Daniel shares his personal journey through heartbreak and self-healing, explains the unique system his company developed, and challenges conventional wisdom around emotional pain and self-improvement. The conversation is lively, raw, and packed with actionable insights for anyone seeking true change.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Daniel’s Personal Story: From Abusive Relationship to Breakthrough

[03:23 – 06:17]

• Daniel explains the origins of his company via his own painful journey: he fell deeply in love, entered what became an abusive relationship, and emerged with complex PTSD, low self-esteem, and debilitating anxiety.
• Tried “everything”—therapy, coaches, retreats, even a cult—over ten years, spending $100,000+; nothing cured the root problem.
• His pivotal realization on a Mexican beach: “Results matter.” (08:03) Guided by childhood advice from his physicist father about the importance of real outcomes.

"Just because someone loves you... someone can only really love you to the level of their ability and capacity."
— Daniel Packard [04:10]

• Frustration with the personal development/self-help industry: big business but few true breakthroughs.

2. The Problem with Personal Development Industry

[08:24 – 09:29]

• Daniel highlights the failures he saw: “It’s a trillion-dollar industry... but anxiety, depression, suicide are all on the rise.” (08:24)
• Call-out to the “improvement industrial complex” that makes money by not solving people’s problems, just managing symptoms.

3. Full Liberation Technology: An Engineering Approach to Inner Change

[09:29 – 11:09]

• Daniel’s company set out to reverse-engineer emotional freedom:
  • Built, tested, and optimized a system over eight years, a million dollars invested, 3,000+ people tested, with a 90%+ success rate.
  • Online and measurable: clients pick one dominant issue (anxiety, procrastination, etc.) but improvements ripple throughout many areas.
  • Innovation: You only pay at the end—after you get measurable, permanent results.

“We do not charge you at the beginning.”
— Daniel Packard [11:06]

4. What Problems Does the System Address?

[13:23 – 14:37]

• Optimized for anxiety, overwhelm, anger, frustration, people-pleasing, perfectionism, procrastination, self-doubt, and low confidence.
• Even “successful people” are struggling with these—often secretly.

“You’d be surprised how many successful people we work with... saying, ‘Yeah, I’m successful, but I’m still procrastinating. I’m still not being as productive. And then it leads to anxiety.’”
— Daniel Packard [13:58]

5. Root Cause: It’s Not in Your Mind

[16:56 – 22:46]

• Daniel challenges traditional ideas—claims most issues aren’t “problems of the mind,” but symptoms of a deeper, body-based root cause: FEAR.
• Guided exercise [18:45]: Listeners visualize a problematic behavior (anxiety, perfectionism, etc.) and notice where fear is felt in the body.
  • “You don’t feel it in your mind. You feel it in your body.” — Daniel Packard [20:30]
• Critiques approaches that manage symptoms (mindset shifts, meditation, therapy, medication) without curing the root.
• “You start to feel trapped, like you’re on this hamster wheel of personal development... You’re not broken, you just have symptoms of fear.” [21:54]

6. Daniel’s System: A Fully Integrated System vs. Tools

[24:27 – 25:10]

• Not “just a course” or a tool—an entire system, step-by-step instructions, online support, and constant measurement.
• Emphasis on “emotional nutrients” for the nervous system—akin to physical nutrients for the body.

7. Why the Nervous System, Not the Mind?

[36:53 – 39:17]

• “It’s not mental health, it’s nervous system health.”
• Daniel likens emotional issues to a malfunctioning physical system, emphasizing the nervous system’s key role in creating/relieving fear and anxiety.
• Approaches emotional healing like an engineer would fix a system: analyze, discover what’s missing, and provide the body with the right “emotional nutrients.”

“So we discovered the system that controls fear. Take out the word ‘fear’ and just use the word ‘nervous’... What system in the body do you think is controlling if you feel nervous or not?... Your nervous system.”
— Daniel Packard [38:09]

8. Free Training and Risk-Free Program

[25:10 – 26:25 | 29:10 – 31:28 | 43:35 – 44:58]

• Daniel offers a free 90-minute training (“Pathway to Permanent Results”) at danielpackard.com, where listeners can trial his approach risk-free and experience techniques for instant calm.
• “You only pay at the end, if, and only if, you get measurable, permanent relief.”
• Advice to seek out results-based practitioners and be wary of vague, promising language from typical self-help providers.

9. Notable Success Stories and Testimonials

[32:07 – 33:47]

• Daniel shares a story of a client (chain-smoker, anxiety, people pleaser) who, in just four weeks, felt a calm she hadn’t felt since childhood, and observed her child learning and benefiting vicariously from the tools.
• System serves both those with deep shame/taboo around seeking help, as well as high-achievers who want to go from “better” to “free.”

10. Real, Permanent Results—A New Baseline

[35:05 – 36:52 | 40:56 – 42:08]

• Program allows people to go beyond “managing” symptoms to genuine freedom:
  • “The best me is now my default.”
  • Daniel describes his own current life free of anxiety, procrastination, people pleasing, etc.

11. Systemic Adoption & Expansion

[42:45 – 43:09 | 43:09 – 43:35]

• Program is scalable, being implemented in schools, companies, nonprofits (especially for women’s empowerment and combating self-doubt), and with government organizations such as in Sweden.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Daniel Packard on root causes:
  “You don’t have multiple problems; you have multiple symptoms of fear coming from the body.” [20:36]

• On the industry standard:
  “It’s a trillion dollar a year industry…and yet life satisfaction, happiness is down…the money is in the management, but the satisfaction is in the solution.” [08:24 | 33:47]

• Measurement & Integrity:
  "We track, we measure, we back up our results. If we can’t help, I’m not taking your money. That’s just wrong.” [29:10]

• On the nervous system:
  "It’s not ‘mental health’, it’s nervous system health." [39:17]

• On life after healing:
  “My mind is quiet. When my mind does talk, it says nice things. ... Now the best me is my default.” [41:00 | 36:52]

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:23 – Daniel’s personal heartbreak & journey to “results matter”
• 08:24 – Critique of self-help/personal development industry and results-based philosophy
• 11:09 – Full Liberation Technology: what it is, success rate, pay-at-end model
• 13:23 – Issues system is optimized for; real-life examples
• 16:56 – Why people aren't broken: problems aren’t in the mind, but are symptoms of fear in the body
• 18:45 – On-air exercise: noticing fear and its physical location
• 24:27 – Explanation of system vs. “a course or tools”
• 29:10 – Integrity: pay only after you get results
• 36:53 – Systems in the body; why “nervous” system is the key for addressing anxiety & fear
• 39:17 – Shift to “nervous system health”
• 43:35 – Invitation for listeners: why try the free training, what to expect

Summary of Solutions & Action Steps

• If listeners are struggling with any of the listed challenges (anxiety, procrastination, low self-esteem, perfectionism, etc.), Daniel invites them to:
  • Try the free training at danielpackard.com
  • Experience the technique and notice measurable calm
  • Only pay for the full program if, at the end, they feel real, lasting results
• System is confidential and designed for use alone, scalable to groups/organizations.

Closing Message

Kat and Daniel leave listeners with a call to action:

“Give it a shot. It’s worth it. If you need help, go get help.” – Kat [44:58]

Daniel closes with his goal for the world:

"I want people to be free, to be their best selves, to be joyful, to be fulfilled, and not spend a lifetime and all this money just managing." [42:08]

Link: danielpackard.com for free training and to explore the Full Liberation Technology approach.

Tone: Real and raw; conversational, supportive, and slightly irreverent—true to the “Kat on the Loose” style. Daniel infuses practical engineering logic with genuine empathy and hope. Both hosts stress the importance of addressing root causes, measuring real results, and finding freedom in self-liberation.