END FEAR FOR GOOD How to Stop Anxiety and Take Back Your Power with Daniel Packard

Summary

Kat on the Loose: END FEAR FOR GOOD – How to Stop Anxiety and Take Back Your Power with Daniel Packard

Host: Kat Zammuto
Guest: Daniel Packard, Founder of Full Liberation Technology
Date: September 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this transformative episode, Kat sits down with Daniel Packard, founder of Full Liberation Technology, to discuss how to radically address and permanently eliminate anxiety, fear, procrastination, people-pleasing, self-doubt, and other life-limiting habits. Daniel shares his personal journey through heartbreak and self-healing, explains the unique system his company developed, and challenges conventional wisdom around emotional pain and self-improvement. The conversation is lively, raw, and packed with actionable insights for anyone seeking true change.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Daniel’s Personal Story: From Abusive Relationship to Breakthrough

[03:23 – 06:17]

• Daniel explains the origins of his company via his own painful journey: he fell deeply in love, entered what became an abusive relationship, and emerged with complex PTSD, low self-esteem, and debilitating anxiety.
• Tried “everything”—therapy, coaches, retreats, even a cult—over ten years, spending $100,000+; nothing cured the root problem.
• His pivotal realization on a Mexican beach: “Results matter.” (08:03) Guided by childhood advice from his physicist father about the importance of real outcomes.

"Just because someone loves you... someone can only really love you to the level of their ability and capacity."
— Daniel Packard [04:10]

• Frustration with the personal development/self-help industry: big business but few true breakthroughs.

2. The Problem with Personal Development Industry

[08:24 – 09:29]

• Daniel highlights the failures he saw: “It’s a trillion-dollar industry... but anxiety, depression, suicide are all on the rise.” (08:24)
• Call-out to the “improvement industrial complex” that makes money by not solving people’s problems, just managing symptoms.

3. Full Liberation Technology: An Engineering Approach to Inner Change

[09:29 – 11:09]

• Daniel’s company set out to reverse-engineer emotional freedom:
  • Built, tested, and optimized a system over eight years, a million dollars invested, 3,000+ people tested, with a 90%+ success rate.
  • Online and measurable: clients pick one dominant issue (anxiety, procrastination, etc.) but improvements ripple throughout many areas.
  • Innovation: You only pay at the end—after you get measurable, permanent results.

“We do not charge you at the beginning.”
— Daniel Packard [11:06]

4. What Problems Does the System Address?

[13:23 – 14:37]

• Optimized for anxiety, overwhelm, anger, frustration, people-pleasing, perfectionism, procrastination, self-doubt, and low confidence.
• Even “successful people” are struggling with these—often secretly.

“You’d be surprised how many successful people we work with... saying, ‘Yeah, I’m successful, but I’m still procrastinating. I’m still not being as productive. And then it leads to anxiety.’”
— Daniel Packard [13:58]

5. Root Cause: It’s Not in Your Mind

[16:56 – 22:46]

• Daniel challenges traditional ideas—claims most issues aren’t “problems of the mind,” but symptoms of a deeper, body-based root cause: FEAR.
• Guided exercise [18:45]: Listeners visualize a problematic behavior (anxiety, perfectionism, etc.) and notice where fear is felt in the body.
  • “You don’t feel it in your mind. You feel it in your body.” — Daniel Packard [20:30]
• Critiques approaches that manage symptoms (mindset shifts, meditation, therapy, medication) without curing the root.
• “You start to feel trapped, like you’re on this hamster wheel of personal development... You’re not broken, you just have symptoms of fear.” [21:54]

6. Daniel’s System: A Fully Integrated System vs. Tools

[24:27 – 25:10]

• Not “just a course” or a tool—an entire system, step-by-step instructions, online support, and constant measurement.
• Emphasis on “emotional nutrients” for the nervous system—akin to physical nutrients for the body.

7. Why the Nervous System, Not the Mind?

[36:53 – 39:17]

• “It’s not mental health, it’s nervous system health.”
• Daniel likens emotional issues to a malfunctioning physical system, emphasizing the nervous system’s key role in creating/relieving fear and anxiety.
• Approaches emotional healing like an engineer would fix a system: analyze, discover what’s missing, and provide the body with the right “emotional nutrients.”

“So we discovered the system that controls fear. Take out the word ‘fear’ and just use the word ‘nervous’... What system in the body do you think is controlling if you feel nervous or not?... Your nervous system.”
— Daniel Packard [38:09]

8. Free Training and Risk-Free Program

[25:10 – 26:25 | 29:10 – 31:28 | 43:35 – 44:58]

• Daniel offers a free 90-minute training (“Pathway to Permanent Results”) at danielpackard.com, where listeners can trial his approach risk-free and experience techniques for instant calm.
• “You only pay at the end, if, and only if, you get measurable, permanent relief.”
• Advice to seek out results-based practitioners and be wary of vague, promising language from typical self-help providers.

9. Notable Success Stories and Testimonials

[32:07 – 33:47]

• Daniel shares a story of a client (chain-smoker, anxiety, people pleaser) who, in just four weeks, felt a calm she hadn’t felt since childhood, and observed her child learning and benefiting vicariously from the tools.
• System serves both those with deep shame/taboo around seeking help, as well as high-achievers who want to go from “better” to “free.”

10. Real, Permanent Results—A New Baseline

[35:05 – 36:52 | 40:56 – 42:08]

• Program allows people to go beyond “managing” symptoms to genuine freedom:
  • “The best me is now my default.”
  • Daniel describes his own current life free of anxiety, procrastination, people pleasing, etc.

11. Systemic Adoption & Expansion

[42:45 – 43:09 | 43:09 – 43:35]

• Program is scalable, being implemented in schools, companies, nonprofits (especially for women’s empowerment and combating self-doubt), and with government organizations such as in Sweden.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Daniel Packard on root causes:
  “You don’t have multiple problems; you have multiple symptoms of fear coming from the body.” [20:36]

• On the industry standard:
  “It’s a trillion dollar a year industry…and yet life satisfaction, happiness is down…the money is in the management, but the satisfaction is in the solution.” [08:24 | 33:47]

• Measurement & Integrity:
  "We track, we measure, we back up our results. If we can’t help, I’m not taking your money. That’s just wrong.” [29:10]

• On the nervous system:
  "It’s not ‘mental health’, it’s nervous system health." [39:17]

• On life after healing:
  “My mind is quiet. When my mind does talk, it says nice things. ... Now the best me is my default.” [41:00 | 36:52]

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:23 – Daniel’s personal heartbreak & journey to “results matter”
• 08:24 – Critique of self-help/personal development industry and results-based philosophy
• 11:09 – Full Liberation Technology: what it is, success rate, pay-at-end model
• 13:23 – Issues system is optimized for; real-life examples
• 16:56 – Why people aren't broken: problems aren’t in the mind, but are symptoms of fear in the body
• 18:45 – On-air exercise: noticing fear and its physical location
• 24:27 – Explanation of system vs. “a course or tools”
• 29:10 – Integrity: pay only after you get results
• 36:53 – Systems in the body; why “nervous” system is the key for addressing anxiety & fear
• 39:17 – Shift to “nervous system health”
• 43:35 – Invitation for listeners: why try the free training, what to expect

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Summary of Solutions & Action Steps

• If listeners are struggling with any of the listed challenges (anxiety, procrastination, low self-esteem, perfectionism, etc.), Daniel invites them to:
  • Try the free training at danielpackard.com
  • Experience the technique and notice measurable calm
  • Only pay for the full program if, at the end, they feel real, lasting results
• System is confidential and designed for use alone, scalable to groups/organizations.

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Closing Message

Kat and Daniel leave listeners with a call to action:

“Give it a shot. It’s worth it. If you need help, go get help.” – Kat [44:58]

Daniel closes with his goal for the world:

"I want people to be free, to be their best selves, to be joyful, to be fulfilled, and not spend a lifetime and all this money just managing." [42:08]

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Link: danielpackard.com for free training and to explore the Full Liberation Technology approach.

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Tone: Real and raw; conversational, supportive, and slightly irreverent—true to the “Kat on the Loose” style. Daniel infuses practical engineering logic with genuine empathy and hope. Both hosts stress the importance of addressing root causes, measuring real results, and finding freedom in self-liberation.

Transcript

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Are you struggling with some of these Anxiety, constant worry, Feeling overwhelmed Frustration Procrastination Perfectionism self doubt, low confidence, people pleasing, Sabotage, Negative thinking, feeling stuck? If yes, this episode might very well change your life forever. My guest today, Berkeley educated Danielle Packard, started a company called Full Liberation Technology. He spent over eight years and more than a million dollars in research and development guided by one core principle. Results matter. That's why they don't ask their clients to pay at the beginning of working with them. Their clients only pay at the end once they have clear, measurable, permanent results. So if you want to stop feeling anxious, feeling stuck, any one of those things that we mentioned before, this might be great for and Daniel actually offers a free training called Pathway to Permanent Results. And I'm putting the link here on the episode. I hope you enjoy this incredible conversation and if you're interested, click on the.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

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[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Daniel welcome to Cat on the Loose.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Thank you very much.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Thank you for making the journey all the way to West Hollywood.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

I mean, I wanted to help your audience and any show called Cat on the Loose.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I know. Right?

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Right. I wanna, I wanna see Cat on. Is this Cat on the Loose or is this.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

We're always on the loser. Always try to find great conversations, great solutions. And when you say help people, we can all use some help. So I I'm really looking forward to our conversation. So many questions, so little time. So are you ready?

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

I am ready. To your cat on the loose. I'm going to be Daniel on the loose. And we're always going to be on the loose.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Fabulous. So, Daniel, for people that don't know you, you started this company. Well, we explain who you are, but you started this company called Full Liberation Technology. In a nutshell, why the name, what does it do, and how can you help people?

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

So I want to tell a story that'll explain what the company is about. Okay. And it'll also explain kind of the mistake that I made in my life, the very painful, horrible thing that happened to me that led me to learn the mistake that I made that I want to share with your audience.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Okay. Go for it.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

So basically, the horrible thing that happened to me was I fell in love. Which doesn't.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Falling in love is horrible.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

That's not the horrible part. The beginning was the good part. As it. As we all know, Disney has shown that the beginning's great. Disney doesn't show you what happens after the kiss at sunset. We fell in love. It was one of those, you know, once in a lifetime souls collide, twin flames. You complete me. We were engaged within a few months.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Wow.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

That was the great part.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

But then, spoiler alert. What I learned was that just because someone loves you, and she did love me, and I loved her. She was charming and beautiful and fun and wonderful. I learned that someone can only really love you to the level that their ability and capacity.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

It's very true.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

It's very true. But sometimes I didn't. I was naive. I thought, she loves me so much. And why is she screaming at me? Why is she yelling at me, thinking, well, she'll snap out of this. She loves me. And what I later realized, I was in an abusive relationship. And I was, as much as I can hold her at fault, it was my fault for staying. I was too insecure, self worth, self doubt. I stayed. So that's all me.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

We've all been there. Yes, believe me, we've all been there.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

And so that's on me. And I paid the price because about a month after it finally ended, for one week, it was great. I thought, oh, it's so calm in here. No one's yelling at me. And then I was supposed to meet a friend for coffee and they were running 10 minutes late. And I almost had a panic attack, and I didn't know why. And what I later found out was that I had complex ptsd from being in the abuse, not to mention my self esteem was in the trash. The procrastination was horrible. The people pleasing, the perfectionism, the self doubt, all of it was worse. It's my rock bottom moment and I'm like, okay, I'm rocky. I'm going to, you know, eye the tiger. So I start working on myself. I go to coaches and therapists and retreats and I read the books and I go to the gurus and I go to the ashrams and I was probably in a cult. I was definitely in a cult and I did it all. And after 10 years, I just was sitting on a beach in Mexico and I just realized I was still doing, I still had the ptsd, I still had the anxiety. I was still doing it after 10 years. And so now not only did I had all this stuff that was holding me back, but because I had tried and failed then I feel broken, I feel trapped, I feel like there's something wrong with me. And I felt like there. And so I just was beginning to lose hope now. That's not where the story ends. There's a good turnaround.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I know there's a good turnaround, but I want to put a but there.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Yeah.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

A lot of people that go through what you went through, obviously like most people in the world, they have the same issue. They have this lingering effects of being in a horrible relationship. And most people carry that forever. They don't heal and they transfer that to the next relationship and the next and the next simply because they don't know how to heal. So I agree. I think healing is such a critical part of it.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Thank you. And I saw that, that I'm the reason this happened again. And if I don't want this to happen again, I also just saw it was a result that I wasn't a stronger, more self loving person. So I go to work on myself. But again, after 10 years and 100 grand, I'm still doing the stuff. So I'm trying to heal. And in that moment on the beach, I was pissed. I looked up to whoever's up there pulling the strings, big wisdom source, God, whatever you call it. And I was pissed. And I just said, I said, you know, like, what do you want from me? Just what do you want from me? I knew it was a test. We always know it's a test. But I didn't know what the test was and what I heard. I got a response. And the response was these two words that most people wouldn't get from God, which was Results matter. And the reason those words matter, I knew what those words meant and what those words were from is cause when I was 10, my dad is a physicist and he sat me down at 10 and he said, you know, Daniel, anybody can have a theory, anybody can have a concept. You don't know who to trust and you don't know who knows what they're talking about. He said, the person you should trust, the person that really knows what they're talking about, gets results. Results matter. And I love that idea that results matter. And you could make things that get results. And I went to engineering school to learn how to design and engineer things to get results. You get a theory, you build a prototype, then you test it and it never works. Then you test it and iterate it until it works. And engineers are getting great at making things that work. Now, they didn't teach me how to make life work, which is how I got into a codependent relationship. But the point is that they never.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Teach us in school, just the school of hard knocks.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Maybe it was in Einstein's equation and I missed it. But there's nothing about like, hey, when someone screams at you, maybe leave. So what those words of results matter, it let me know that the sort of the personal development, spiritual self help psychology industry, it's a trillion dollar a year industry in the US Alone. That's trillion with a T. That's three times what people spend on alcohol. That's the same as military spending a year crazy. But it's not getting good results. Anxiety's on the rise, depression's on the rise, suicide's on the rise. Life satisfaction just last year alone down 3%. Happiness index down 2%. So I said, this industry has good intention people, bad results and a lot of bad intention.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Well, let's be honest, a lot of people out there, especially because of social media, anybody calls themselves like an expert, right? They're like, oh, and all they, they don't really care about, like you said, giving you real results. They just want to make a buck. They want to sell digital cars, they want to do this, they want to do that. And it's a problem because you know, a lot of people, when you're desperate.

[Podcast Host - Ad Segment]

Right, you're just gullible and you go.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

For it, you go for it. And I think there are some negative intent people. But even the people that have positive intent, the fact is it's not solving people's pain quickly and they take your money no matter what. And I said, I'm an engineer, I know how to make things better. I know how to innovate. Maybe I'll try to engineer this. So I started my company, Full Liberation Technology, with the mission to see could we reverse engineer, meaning create a system of tools and exercises such that it's simple, it's easy. If you work the steps, you get the result. And the result would be that you're free of this quickly, of whatever it is that you feel or doing. The procrastination, people policing.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yes.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Let's slow down a little bit because, you know, let's assume that I want somebody out there that's listening, never met you, didn't see your website or anything. I want them to follow like step by step. So let's say, for example, because you started telling the story of the broken heart and being in an abusive relationship, same with me, right? I was in a very busy marriage for 15 years. For me, my therapy in terms of healing and getting over that abuse was the podcast. Because you vent, vent, vent, vent, and you talk to so many people and you start, you know, changing. But somebody out there listening and let's say they have the same issue, like they have post traumatic stress disorder or like low self esteem, which is a big problem for a lot of people that have been in abusive relationships. So if they would find you, they would find your company. You take them through a process that can literally help them get rid of this for good.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

That's exactly what the company was set up to do. There's tons of. Yes, to be clear, that's the innovation that we did, is it addresses the root cause. And this isn't just for people who are coming out of relationships. Just anybody that struggles with anxiety, perfectionism, people, anything, it addresses the root cause quickly. So in six weeks, what you're struggling with is either significantly, measurably down or completely gone. And it's permanent. That is what we. It's an online program. Everything is online. All the tools, all the simple, easy to follow instructions. And the best part, 90% success rate, which. And the reason that matters to us is because that's what the years of testing got us. And the reason that matters is because we didn't want to put it live until we knew it could pretty much help anybody at any level. Because when you try something and it doesn't work, you feel worse about yourself. You can do harm when you put things out into the world that don't help people. So it was very important to us to create something that pretty much we worked with 3,000 people spent a million in R and D. We worked with addicts in South Africa, we worked with entrepreneurs in Europe. We worked with athletes in the US to test to get something so that if you try it, it's gonna work. And this, this is remarkable. We're the only company in the world where if you choose to work with us, we do not charge you at the beginning.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Come on, calm down. We're going to get there one step at a time. Because it's a lot of information. I know. I want to get there. Well, I want to because I agree. I think this is amazing. You said 90% success rate. So obviously this is a system that you developed. You spend a lot of money and a lot of time developing in order to be this successful. So somebody out there listening. And again, you can pretty much. I don't want to use the word cure, but you can heal or help the person get rid of anything. Like if it's not like you said, the things related to heartbreak. A lot of people are procrastinators. That's a really big one, right? Big issue. Procrastinators. I used to be a procrastinator big time. Some people have low self esteem. What are other big ones?

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

These are the ones that the programs optimize for anxiety.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Anxiety.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

We have the emotions which are anxiety, overwhelm and anger and frustration. These are common things that hold successful people from being just their best selves. People pleasing, which is really important for business people because sometimes people don't negotiate for what they're worth because they're always busy making other people's happy. The perfectionism cripples people because they're not being productive. They're not putting their gifts out into the world. They're not being authentic because they're so afraid to be perfect. Procrastination, obviously. Huge, huge problem.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Surprised how many successful people we work with. They're like, yeah, I'm successful, but I'm still procrastinating. I'm still not being as productive. It's affecting how much I make. But also then it leads to anxiety because you're leaving at the last minute. Then they also bring their work home with them because they've been procrastinating. And then also people and people pleasing, perfect and perfection. Oh, and self doubt and low confidence, which even the most successful people often have. And so that's what we're able to solve. And I can speak from experience because I had all of these and I now wake up every morning and I just feel calm.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Okay, so you said you had all of this. That's my next question. So it doesn't necessarily. You don't have to choose one issue for your program to fix. If somebody out there listening like, oh my God, yes, I'm all of these things. I suffer from low self esteem, I procrastinate, I doubt myself. La da da da. You can literally heal all of that at once.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

So it's a good question. And I'll explain to you kind of how it works. I'll give you the short answer because you asked it, and then I'll give you the long answer. So the short answer is that measurement and precision are very important to us. So when you go through the program, you pick one that shows up the most often because there's a set of optimized tools for that one. For instance, I had a client who came to us for procrastination. So she's working on procrastination and using the tools and exercises daily for procrastination. And when you go through the process you're tracking with our app, your results, your productivity, your focus, how many hours per day you are in purpose and commitment. So because of that, we knew that her productivity went from two hours a day up to eight hours a day. Her focus went from 15 minutes at a time up to 90 minutes at a time. Her energy levels rose. And so we track all that. So we focus on one to get precise tools and measurement. But as I'll explain, the root cause of procrastination is the same root cause as the perfectionism and people policing. So she came in for help with procrastination, but two weeks in, she started speaking up to her husband. She started saying no and being more assertive. And she said, what's going on? And I said, we're engineers, we like efficiency. There's one root cause. So yes, you wouldn't solve all of them, but you would see improvement in multiple things simultaneously. So you pick one, but you get benefit in all.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Oh, okay. That's amazing. And I personally think, like you said, usually one thing is all tied up to the rest, Right? Like if you suffer from low self esteem, if you fix that, all of a sudden you realize that every area in your life gets better. Kind of like simultaneously.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Yeah. Let me explain to you. Kind of one of the key innovations that we made when we were building the system that'll help this make sense. Because when people hear what we're doing, they think it's too good to be true. So let me explain to you, it.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Sounds too good to be true. But like you said, you're literally measuring it and showing people the difference. So that's pretty incredible.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Yeah. And like I said, we don't charge at the beginning, only at the end when you get. We're the only.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

I want to talk about that. Yeah.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

So when people say, well, how do you just so people can put it into context, we back this up. So here's how it's possible. And here's also what I want people to know so they don't blame themselves and think they're broken. So we're taught. And it feels like we have multiple individual problems. I have anxiety, I suffer from anger management. I have people pleasing. I am a perfectionist. I am a procrastinator. I have self doubt. It's taught like we have multiple problems. You go to different coaches for productivity, different coaches for self esteem, different coaches, different books, different retreats, and it feels like we have multiple problems. And we're also taught that a lot of those problems stem from the mind. You know, it. Change your scarcity thinking, Change your scarcity mindset. Quiet the ego in your mind. Cognitive behavioral therapy is to change your cognition. Non triggers. It's called mental health. It's got the word mental right in there. So we're taught we have multiple problems that stem from the mind. Now there's truth to that. Cause the mind can say some scary, horrible things that screw us up. But as engineers, we said if this was all a problem of the mind and we've been focusing on the mind, then why are most. Why are we getting worse Results? It's been 50 years since personal development became popularized and we're down, we're 8% less happy and anxiety's up 200%.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Really?

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

So as engineers, and because we weren't, our ego wasn't attached to any particular modality. We just started from scratch and we re looked at this from the beginning. And I'll tell you what the research discovered, but I'm gonna do it through an exercise.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, sure.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Okay. So I want you and your audience to close your eyes.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

If you want, if you're driving, do not close your eyes. Unless you're in a waymo, then you're not driving. Okay. So. And I want you to see yourself doing one of the behaviors that we described. Either anxiety, people pleasing, perfectionism, procrastination or self doubt or low confidence. Just pick one of those. And I want you to sort of visualize yourself doing one of those that shows up in your life most painfully and just kind of see yourself Doing that thing. And now I want you to see that most likely underneath the behavior is almost always fear. You could call it people pleasing, or you could call it, you have a fear that people won't like you so you put everybody else first or yourself last. You could call it perfectionism, or you could call it a fear of making a mistake. You could call it procrastination, or you could say you have a fear of starting and finishing things. You could say it's self doubt and low confidence, or you could say you have a fear of being your natural, true or authentic self. You could say it's anxiety or you could just say there's a lot of fear and you call that fear anxiety. So we saw that these weren't different problems. These were symptoms of one thing, which is fear. But if you close your eyes or keep your eyes open, where do you feel the fear? Where do you feel it? Usually in your chest, in your heart, in your throat, your stomach, your gut.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

And some people feel it all over. Right. They just feel paralyzed with fear of whatever it is.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

But there's one place that you don't feel it, which is your mind. You feel it in your body.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

And what we saw, again, this is what the research and the data showed, is that fear does not. And fear type scenarios do not start in the mind. They start in the body, then they spread to the mind. So in reality, we are taught we have multiple problems that are symptoms of the mind. And we realize, no, you have different symptoms of fear coming from the body. Now the reason this is important is because everybody else was sent to the mind. If you go to the mind, the best you can usually do is manage the symptoms. It's great for managing.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

And this is what I wanna mention that I think is interesting. Your technique, by the way, does not involve medication and. Right. I wanna make this very clear because at least in the United States, I think it's very unfortunate. So a lot of people go seek help and the first thing they do is like, you know, a therapist or a psychiatrist, they, like you said, they shove medication like down your throat. Oh, I have anxiety. Here, here's a prescription. Oh, I'm depressed. Here, here's a prescription, Whatever it is. They give you prescriptions, prescriptions, prescriptions. And I think sometimes it makes the problem worse because you're just masking the symptoms. You're, you're, if you're listening to the other episode, he's going, yes. With his head. Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

But, but people know that the medication does that, that it masks. It's just a band aid. We know that with medication. But what I'm saying is when you hire a coach to help with your productivity and your procrastination, it's helpful, but they're still at the symptom level, which means you'll never solve it. You can't. And the reason I want your audience to know that is because if you spend all this money and all this time trying to solve these things and you can't, you start to feel broken and there's like something wrong with you and you start to feel trapped and like you're on this hamster wheel of personal development. And I'm here to you know, it's not your fault. You were told you have multiple problems of the mind. And what you really have is multiple symptoms of the fear which is originating in the body. You can manage fear in the mind, but the solution is in the body. That was the first big discovery that we made, is to go at the bot the fear in the body.

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[Kat (Podcast Host)]

So you would, let's say somebody out there listening like, wow, this sounds amazing. Sounds really interesting. Can you really get rid of my anxiety? For example, can you really get rid of my procrastination? Can you really get rid of my low self esteem? And you believe that if they click on the link and they take this online. It's not a course. Right. It's.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Well, it's a fully integrated system.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Right.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

It's a system which is important just because it helps people understand. A lot of people have been using tools, individual tools, and tools are great for management. And if you want to manage something, you can use a tool. Meditation is a tool. It'll calm you down. If you have a negative mindset, there are tools to shift your mindset. So tools are great for management, but really to do anything successfully, you usually need a system which is a set of optimized tools all in one place with instructions. So it's an entire system. But what I want your audience to know is that at the end I'm going to send them to my website, danielpacker.com where at no charge they can listen to this 90 minute training.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. So that's the next question.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Yeah. What is your question?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

You guessed everything I wanted to ask you. You do offer this free training called Pathway to Permanent Results. And you offer that completely free.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Completely free. Because first of all, we innovated something and anytime you innovate, everyone thinks it's too good to be true. And secondly, we live in an industry where all these people are over promising and under delivered. People are hurt and pissed and really untrusting for good reason. So we said unless we can give people proof that this works, it's gonna be hard to get them to trust us. I wouldn't trust me if I didn't wake up every morning feeling confident and not procrastinating. If I didn't every day our clients be free of the. I would not trust me. So yes, absolutely. Go to my website link below or included and they can download Pathway to Permanent Results. And in that you're gonna understand why the body is creating a lot of fear and it's something you haven't heard before and it's dead simple and you're gonna be irritated your therapist didn't tell you sooner. And then you can apply one of the techniques that we developed. You apply it to yourself and you will feel measurably and deeply more calm.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Wow.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Now, you didn't do the training, but I shared with you kind of what's in the training and what was your experience with it?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

I, I think it's very different. For sure. I completely agree with you. And like you were saying before, people spend a lot of money right on this. Like I said, coaches download guides, do this, do that, and they get frustrated because the problem remains. And then they lost whatever amount of Money that they paid. So, yeah, you're absolutely right. But the way you do it think is very different. Your approach is very interesting. I've never heard it before for sure. And I definitely think I'm, you know, this is what I'm going to say for me, right. I'm all about organic approaches. I don't like personally. I've been through everything I've been through in my life. Severe loss, tragedy, 15 years of a very abusive marriage. Everything that happened to me you can dream of has happened. And I never took one antidepressant ever. And people always ask me, how did you go through it? Because I always believe in, like, natural, organic approaches. So I love the way you do it because I think it's a. It's kind of like a mental exercise, and it's very relaxing. It allows you to really think what it, you know, the. What the root of the problem is. It allows you to really go deep inside your mind and how you feel. So I think it's fascinating and I'm all for solutions that, like I said, instead of just going to the doctor and say, give me an anti depressant, give me an anti anxiety, give me this, give me that. And I think the way you're helping people is much more realistic and much healthier, and I think that's very important. It's a lot healthier than just shoving a bunch of medication down somebody's throat because of whatever it is that they feel, you know?

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Yeah. And did you find that it was pretty, like, logical and simple?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Very simple.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Yeah, very simple. And when you applied the technique at the end to something that was bringing up some. Did you. The point of it is to give you a result that you can feel so you're not just trusting. Did you feel for sure?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, no, for sure. And like you mentioned before, you are literally measuring. Right. And now I want to bring that up, that you said. I mean, you're putting your money where your mouth is because you're literally telling people you pay at the end when you see results. And I think that's very honorable of you to do that. You're not saying, hey, give me whatever amount of money and you know, if you like it, great. If you don't like it, fuck you. You are taking them through this path, helping them figure out what's wrong, helping them fix it. And you mentioned, fix it for life, fix it for good. And then you're like, okay, now here's the invoice.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Thank you. And we do that partly because it lowers the perceived Risk so people can try something innovative that actually works. Secondly, my dad told me results matter. If you can't get a person a result, you don't charge them. It's wrong. If you take a car to a mechanic, if they can't fix your car, ideally they don't take your money. And two weeks ago this woman said, well even if it doesn't work, I'll still pay you. And I said, no you won't. I said, you're trusting me with your happiness. People are in pain. They're trusting me and my company. If we can't help you, one, I kind of feel bad. And we work on the system to figure out why and improve it. But I am not taking your money. That's just wrong. And just so people aren't confused with the 90 minute training, that's just, we just give that away.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

So you guys can literally, by the way, if you're listening to the audio episode, the link of his website is right here and on YouTube. It's, it's on the YouTube.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

The guarantee of paying at the end is for the full six week program.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, right.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

The 90 minutes is free.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, anybody can do it. And if you guys like it then you decide if you want to go. Go and do the paid training where.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

You only pay at the end when it works. And that's something I wanna bring up is to educate your audience is what I didn't know when I spent this hundred thousand dollars is backing up your results. But just the whole idea of results in this what I call the improvement industrial complex, it's a trillion dollar a year industry or I call it big thera. It's a big industry where they make money off not solving anything. And I was naive when I spent $3,000 at this retreat and the books and the coaches and here' look out for so you don't keep spending money and feeling like you're in the hamster wheel is look for people that care about results. When you hire somebody, do they tell you what result are they going to get you? Do they tell you in what timeline they're going to get it? Do you, do they tell you how much they can help you? Specifically, do they track results and do they back up their results?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

If not, you have to wonder what results they are getting. We tell you what we're gonna deliver in six weeks is that you're free of it. We measure it, we track it and we back up our results. If you, this industry doesn't do that. They try to sell you with very Imprecise words.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Because like I said, very unfortunately, most people are in it for the money. I think you're in it for all the right reasons. And I personally really believe in karma and I really believe in energy. And I think if you're doing something for the right reasons, not only you bring more results, you bring more clients, you help more people. And I think making money is a consequence of all of that. And you're just doing everything the right way for people. So I have no doubt in my mind that your company is just gonna grow and grow and grow the more people find out about it. Because who doesn't want to be helped by someone who actually knows what they're doing and has the best intentions, you know?

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Yeah, I mean, we're gonna. This will get out there. We're working with the Swedish government, we're working with organizations because this is scalable. But honestly, we will always make less money because we're solving it. And that is the payment. This was three weeks ago. This woman came to us. She was a chain smoker. Anxiety, procrastination, people pleasing. And she was passing it on to her kids.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Oh, wow.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

And she was in so much pain and she had tried so many things. Her marriage was on the verge of divorce. She was not being the mother she wants to be. She's in real pain. And she had tried yoga, she had tried spirituality, she had tried ayahuasca, she had tried the coat 10, I think she did 15 years, she spent like $300,000 and she just felt so broken and just wasn't being the mother. And by about week four, she reached out to me and she just said, daniel, not only did I wake up this morning feeling a calm I haven't felt since childhood, but it's permanent. But she said, more importantly, my child is picking up on what I'm doing. And my child came home from high school and I asked my child how was high school? And she said, well, I got bullied today, but I really didn't care. And my client said, what do you mean you didn't care? She said, well, I didn't like it, but I've been watching what you've been doing through that program. And I've been picking up on it and I've been applying it. And so it just didn't affect me as much. So when you hear that there are these people making millions with books and courses and retreats just selling band aids, the money is in the management, but the satisfaction is in the solution.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

No, that's amazing. And plus this is what I always say, right? These are things that most people go through, right? We rarely meet someone who is not feeling one of these things like anxiety, self doubt, all of these things that we've been talking about, right? Stress, etc. Etc. But a lot of people don't get help. They simply don't get help. A lot of them don't have the money. Of course, like you said, a lot of people don't have $300,000 to keep trying different things. I think a lot of people are ashamed and embarrassed to admit, like, I have a problem, I have an issue. And I think the way you're doing it, first of all, of course you're offering a free link. So I think that's a great first step. If you guys are listening, if you have anything going on, click on the link. And it's in the privacy of your home. You literally can sit in front of your computer, click the link and see what's out there. Nobody needs to know. So you have all the privacy in the world. And if you decide you want to move forward, you go through all of the weeks and everything that you developed, and hopefully it helps as much as it's been helping everybody, all your clients, because you have fantastic testimonies on your website as well.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

I encourage people to see the testimonials because people come on these podcasts, they say, I've got the next great thing. What are your results? So when you see the joy in the people talking and how fast and what they used to struggle with and the speed, and I want to be clear, we kind of help two groups. One, because the process is so simple, we help people that do have a lot of this shame and normally wouldn't go to a therapist, but they like this idea that it's been engineered, that you pay at the end when you get results. But we also work with a lot of people who don't have shame. They've been working on them. I've worked with Google execs, I've worked with tech exec, very wealthy, successful women and men that don't have shame, but they're working on themselves and it's better, it's improved, but they're not solving it and they want to be free of it. Because when you're free of these symptoms, instead of just managing it, management's great. I had a client who could manage the procrastination, manage the anxiety, manage the people pleasing. He was successful, he had a good. Everything was good. But these things, they keep you from joy. They keep you from full expression of self. So when he came through this program, he was already successful, but after it, and I get messages from about once a month, he said, daniel, I knew there was this version of me, and I had occasional glimpses of it, but it wasn't my default. He said, now the best me is my default. I'm more fulfilled. I'm more joyful. That is the power of engineering when you solve things. And I want to tell your audience how we approach the body, because your audience knows that fear is a problem, and you can kind of understand fear comes from the body. But I want to understand how we're able to eliminate fear in the body quickly. Just so your audience knows this, because we didn't know this. Is that okay if I share?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, of course.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Okay. So the great thing about going to the body is it's way simpler if you try to control things in the mind. We don't really understand the mind yet. It's a million bazillion. That's the technical word. Million bazillion neuropathways, neurons. And it's very complex. We don't understand the mind, but the body. In some ways, it's simple. It's mechanical. Your skeleton's mechanical, your heart's mechanical. It's a lot. And there's systems. You've got your coronary system, your skeletal system. It's all systems. Engineers love systems because we know that systems can malfunction and systems can be repaired. So we said to ourselves, maybe there's a system in the body that is malfunctioning, creating this fear. And maybe we can fix the system and the mechanism. So we discovered the system that controls fear. And once you hear it, it's very obvious. So take out the word fear and just use the word nervous. Right? Just. Anxiety is very nervous. Fear is a lot of nervousness. Worry is nervousness. Okay, this is a really simple question to you and your audience. What system in the body do you think is controlling if you feel nervous or not? Your skeletal system, your coronary system, or. Ooh.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

See how excited I got? Your nervous system. What system do you think is making people nervous? What do you think it is? A, B or C?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

I think the nervous system.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Yeah. Why?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Why? Because it's the nervous system.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

It's got the word nervous right in there. It's really obvious there's a system. Think about this. There's a system in the body called the nervous system. And people are feeling different versions of nervousness. And the mental health experts have been sending you to the mind for 100 years and anxiety is on the rise. Meanwhile, there's a system in the body called the nervous system. No, you're not mental health experts. It's not mental health, it's nervous system health. Your procrastination is not a mental issue, it's a body issue. So we saw that the nervous system was creating this fear. So then we're engineers. How do you solve this? Well, the good thing about the body is there's these universal principles that guide the body. Most systems in the body need basic nutrients to run properly. You were given this incredible body for free. You don't have to pay for a body. Bodies. Can you imagine how much a body would cost if you paid for it?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Oh my God.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Just to buy one eyeball off Amazon, it'd be a lot. And then you get two that work together for a tongue. Think how cool a tongue is. You get all this stuff for free on one condition. We gotta take care of it and you gotta give it proper nutrients. You need to give yourself water, sleep, certain vitamins, food. You need to nourish the body for sure. And if you don't, the system will start to malfunction. So what we saw was, we know a lot of the nutrients that the body needs. Water, certain vitamins. If you don't get enough vitamin C, you get scurvy. If you don't drink enough water, you can get all sorts of problems. So we just said, well, maybe there's a nutrient, not a physical nutrient like a vitamin or a mineral, but an emotional nutrient, this emotional system the nervous system isn't getting. And we saw, in fact, the nervous system has emotional nutrients that it needs. But we were never taught to give that system nutrients. And so if you're not taught to give that system nutrients, what is going to happen to that system if there doesn't get nutrients?

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

It's a very different approach for sure. It's very, very interesting and I highly recommend that everybody checks it out. And hopefully people out there that need help. You know, that's just a very different, very innovative avenue that you created. Congratulations on your incredible work. It's so nice that you're helping people out there because like you said, you know, anxiety is at an all time high levels. Right? People need help and, and I commend you for coming from a good place.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Thank you. Then the payoff is, you know, I talk engineering, I talk nervous system. And if you get the nervous system and give it the nutrients it needs, the fear goes away because the system's running properly. And that's all great, but the benefit, and I'll just speak from my experience now that the nervous system gets the nutrients it needs, that's what we do. It's healthy. And when it's healthy, the fear, the worry, it goes away. And when that goes away, also the mind quiets down. And that's the value, is you have this calm. My mind is quiet. When my mind does talk, it says nice things. I looked in the mirror today and I actually said, I do me. It said nice things. And I live this joy and this fulfillment and purpose. And it's not temporary, it's permanent. And I'm not enlightened, I'm not smarter, I'm not better. I just used a set of tools that were engineered to solve things. And this is what I want for the world, is to solve these things so they can be their best selves, to be joyful, to be fulfilled and not spend a lifetime and all this money managing.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

I want people, freedom. Listen, if you can live like you said, you were talking about the heartbreak, you know, you can definitely get over it, you can definitely rebuild and feel better. If you can have a life without anxiety, if you can have a life without self doubt, if you can have a life without all these things that keep you behind, your quality of life is going to improve so much. It's like a whole new world out there. If you, if you get help and you get past all of that for sure and you're not gonna take all of that with you, all the traumas into any potential new relationships, any potential new work, whatever it is that you want to do. Yeah, it's very liberating for sure.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

And also just because the value of what we do, it's an online program, means it's scalable. And so not only do we help clients, but if you're a member of a school, an organization, a nonprofit. Yeah, we're working with a woman's nonprofit because these tools address self doubt. So the beauty of the program is it's scalable and systematized. And so we're also looking to collaborate with companies and schools.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

I think it's a great idea. I think we talked about it like, let's say there's an HR person out there listening because I know big companies have so many stressed out executives. I think I mentioned that. I think it's such a great idea, right, for a company to provide that to, to executives, to teams. I think everybody can benefit from that for sure. But guys, the link is here. It's danielpacker.com Correct.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Yeah, but can I tell people kind of like why they would even go to danielpacker. Like just go ahead because I care a lot about this and so I don't want people to miss it. So again, the reason you would go to danielpacker.com is to get the training. And the reason you would even get the training is because you can listen to me. I'm obviously passionate, obviously charming, but like you, you. You don't know if what I'm telling you is the truth. You've heard a lot of theories that turn out to not be true. So don't just blindly believe me. I want people to experience this for themself. When you feel it working, that's the proof, that's the trust that you need to feel and it will give people. So if you've tried things in the past and you've tried everything and it's better, the procrastination's better, the anxiety's better, the heartbreak is better. But you wanna be free of this stuff, to be the best you, then the way we're doing this is basically we're addressing the fear underneath. We're going to the root cause, it's in the nervous system. We get the nervous system, the nutrients it needs. You learn how to do that, then the nervous system just comes back to health and you can operate the way you were designed by God. Then the symptoms go away and you get to be the best you. So if you, if that makes you at least curious to see if this could maybe help you and you want to see for yourself if it could help you, you go to danielpacker.com, get the free training and see for yourself.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

The link is here. So, yeah, like I like it. What you said, see it for yourself. Give it a shot. It's worth it, right? Daniel, thank you so much. Congratulations on your beautiful work.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Thank you for having me.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Incredible guys. I'll see you soon. Be safe out there. And if you need help, go get help.

[Daniel Packard (Guest, Founder of Full Liberation Technology)]

Take action.

[Kat (Podcast Host)]

Love you. Take.

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