MOVIE MAKING AND IMMIGRATION WITH AWARD WINNING MOVIE DIRECTOR PETER TAKLA AND ENTREPRENEUR CARLO DUPONE

Summary

Podcast Summary: “MOVIE MAKING AND IMMIGRATION WITH AWARD WINNING MOVIE DIRECTOR PETER TEKLA AND ENTREPRENEUR CARLO DUPONT”

Kat on the Loose
Host: Kat Zammuto
Guests: Peter Tekla (Award-Winning Director) & Carlo Dupont (Entrepreneur/Real Estate Developer)
Date: October 23, 2024

Episode Overview

This episode of Kat on the Loose dives deep into two urgent and interconnected topics: the grit and reality behind indie filmmaking, and the harrowing, often misunderstood journey of immigrants pursuing the American dream. Host Kat Zammuto welcomes award-winning director Peter Tekla and entrepreneur Carlo Dupont—both with personal immigrant stories—to discuss their upcoming film "40 Days," which dramatizes the risks and heartbreak of illegal immigration. The episode combines moving real-life anecdotes, behind-the-scenes reflections, and sharp social insight on what risk and hope mean at America’s borders.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Premise of “40 Days”: Bringing Immigration Stories to Life

• [05:32] Peter Tekla: The film “40 Days” focuses on the strenuous and dangerous journey illegal immigrants endure traveling to the US, often starting their trek far south of the border and confronting not only physical hardship but also predatory “coyotes.”

  “We’re trying to emphasize how tough this journey is and how these people are victims of a lot of criminals that they face too. Sometimes they make it to the US and sometimes, unfortunately, they don’t make it.”

• Kat underscores the honour and gravity of portraying these stories, noting her own role playing a coyote—an emotionally taxing and eye-opening experience.

  “It was really tough... It shook me up thinking, oh my God, there are people out there right now in the desert probably going through the same psychological abuse and fear.” [14:42]

2. Personal Experiences with Immigration

• [07:41] Carlo Dupont shares his family’s immigration story from Mexico in the 1960s-70s, where relatives risked everything to work the fields around Bakersfield, California.

  “Most of them are all successful now… One of my cousins actually runs the whole agricultural company there now, where her parents worked.”

• All Three Hosts emphasize the diversity and success of immigrant experiences and counter the stereotype perpetuated in media of immigrants as criminals.

  “Media shows that some immigrants are like criminals. But no, no, we’re not. We’re very successful. We’re trying to make our life better.” —Peter Tekla [09:46]
  “They’re not criminals… They all worked towards getting their citizenship or visas and have mortgages, jobs, homes. They made it.” —Carlo Dupont [29:34]

3. The Realities and Dangers of Using Coyotes

• What is a Coyote? Coyotes are smugglers who exploit desperate migrants, often posing as authority figures and employing violence or extortion.

  “They kidnap people, ask for more money. Sometimes they kill people if they don’t pay... To them, these people are just merchandise.” —Kat & Peter [10:41]

• Real Family Example: Carlo recounts a recent relative’s experience—charged $10,000 for crossing, then held ransom mid-desert for an extra $20,000 under threat of abandonment or death, with no guarantee of safety even after payment. [12:05]

• Sexual Assault and Human Trafficking: Stories of women disappearing, facing sexual violence, or being trafficked are sadly common.

  “His daughter came across, she was 22 years old, and she disappeared. They don’t know if she got sold to sex trade or was killed.” —Carlo [17:06]
  “Imagine the parents... Will they ever see her again?” —Peter [17:34]

4. The American Immigration System: Fixable or Broken?

• Can the border crisis be solved? Both guests feel it’s technically fixable, but political willpower is lacking.

  “Any political party can fix it. I think they can just make a better immigration way or laws... But maybe for political reasons, they don’t want to.” —Peter [19:12]
  “If you reach a bipartisan agreement and work with the Mexican government, they could make it safe for people to apply for immigration, come over legally, not do what they’re doing now.” —Carlo [20:19]

• Legal Immigration is Slow and Difficult:

  “There are avenues, but it takes a long time. The US takes precedence towards other countries...” —Carlo [21:51]
  “It still takes years, maybe a lifetime, to get a green card. Not even guaranteed.” —Peter [24:23]

5. The Role of Media and Film in Telling Immigration Stories

• The film “40 Days” intends to humanize migrants, challenging dehumanizing narratives and illuminating both victimization and dignity amidst struggle.

  “Immigrants who decide to come illegally, they exhausted their choices to come legally—they’re not criminals, they’re victims. They have dreams.” —Peter [31:35]

• Indie Filmmaking Passion: The cast and crew’s deep personal investment accentuates the film’s authenticity and urgency.

  “We tell stories... for the passion and the love of telling stories. It makes it more special because it’s so much harder than having $50 million and working with Warner Brothers.” —Kat [44:24]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Exploitation by Coyotes:

  “They ask for more money... families don’t have $20,000 just sitting around. They have to call family, borrow money, and even then you don’t know if your relative will survive.” —Carlo [12:32]

• On Playing a Coyote:

  “I’m zero violent, zero mean. It was a very difficult scene to shoot... But if you’re going to do that scene, you have to believe you’re going to do it.” —Kat [14:42]

• On the Detention Centers:

  “There’s no enough officers... sometimes they spend months and months until they get a decision. It’s a prison, obviously.” —Peter [31:13]
  “A lot of them get sent back after all this trouble, the money... Can you imagine the frustration?” —Kat [33:01]

• On the Impact of Film:

  “Movies are a powerful way to get your message across, to enlighten and educate. My hat off to you.” —Carlo [45:53]

• On Finding Solutions:

  “If there’s an agreement with the Mexican government and the US, this would be stoppable.” —Peter [42:01]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [05:32] – Peter explains the premise of “40 Days”
• [07:41] – Carlo’s family history: real experiences of border crossings
• [10:41] – The role (and danger) of coyotes
• [12:05] – Fresh story of family member held for ransom by coyotes
• [17:06] – Women’s vulnerabilities: sexual violence and disappearance
• [19:12-21:21] – Is the border crisis fixable? Discussion on policy and reality
• [24:23] – Limitations and frustrations of legal immigration routes
• [31:13] – Experiences in US detention centers
• [36:10] – Behind-the-scenes of acting: method, intensity, realism
• [39:34] – Resources for immigrant legal aid (Border Angels, etc.)
• [42:01] – How social media makes the dangers more visible
• [45:18] – The power and responsibility of indie filmmaking

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Resources Mentioned

• Border Angels:
  Non-profit providing humanitarian support and advocacy at the border
  Website: borderangels.org

• Astamar Realty:
  Trusted real estate partner in the Mexican Riviera (Carlo’s company)
  Website: astamar.com

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Tone & Closing

Throughout, Kat leads an emotionally honest, empathetic dialogue—raw but insightful, never shying away from tough truths or the complexity of immigration. The episode is peppered with humor, candor, and open-hearted camaraderie, making difficult, often politicized issues highly accessible and human.

Closing message:
“Let’s vote. I don’t care who you vote for—execute your right and make your voice heard. And don’t forget to look for ‘40 Days’ when it’s released—stories like these matter.” —Kat [46:53]

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Final Thoughts

This episode is essential listening for anyone seeking a nuanced, front-line understanding of immigration—its perils, hopes, and the real humans behind the headlines—as well as how art can move hearts and minds in the search for solutions.

Transcript

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[Kat (Host)]

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[Peter Tekla]

Indie movies with award winning director Peter Tekla.

[Kat (Host)]

And we are also going to talk.

[Peter Tekla]

About a subject that is so important to millions of us in this country. The American dream and immigration.

[Kat (Host)]

And how thousands of people every single.

[Peter Tekla]

Day risk their lives to cross the border through Mexico in search of this dream. Many of them not only risk their lives, but lose their lives.

[Kat (Host)]

And this is the subject of Peter's.

[Peter Tekla]

Next upcoming movie called 40 Days, which.

[Kat (Host)]

I am very honored and proud to be a part of.

[Peter Tekla]

My second guest is the very, very successful and incredibly nice entrepreneur, Carlo Dupont.

[Kat (Host)]

Carlo comes from a Mexican family.

[Peter Tekla]

He's a real estate developer in Mexico. He owns one of the most successful real estate agencies in Mexico called As Are, which is also kindly sponsoring this podcast. And although he's American and lives in.

[Kat (Host)]

The United States, several of his relatives.

[Peter Tekla]

Have risked their lives doing the crossing and now they're very, very successful business people living here. So very few people know stories so up close and personal like he does. And he was kind enough to drive all the way from San Diego to.

[Kat (Host)]

My studio in in West Hollywood to share the stories with us.

[Peter Tekla]

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[Kat (Host)]

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[Kat (Host)]

Oh my goodness, guys, I have major, major successful manpower on this week's episode of Canon Deleuze. To my left, Peter Tacla, successful award winning movie director. To my right, one of the men that I admire the most. I mean I consider you my mentor, business mentor, super successful business owner, entrepreneur. Carlo Dupone. I don't even know how to explain because you do so many things, Carlo. You own one of the top real estate companies in Mexico, Astamar. You are a real estate developer. You, you, I mean you're multi hyphenate, multi talented. Thank you for driving here all the way from San Diego.

[Carlo Dupont]

Absolutely.

[Kat (Host)]

Welcome to Cat on the Loose.

[Carlo Dupont]

Thank you for having me.

[Kat (Host)]

Welcome to Cat on the Loose.

[Peter Tekla]

Peter. Thank you for having me, Kat. I'm so enjoying being with you guys and especially in here.

[Kat (Host)]

I know and I'm very honored because both of you live super far away. So I know it was a really long drive and there is so much we have to talk about in 45 minutes. So let's do this fast and furious and I'm going to explain to everyone why both of you are here today. Peter, we filmed, we finished shooting a movie just like a few weeks ago that we were talking about that we're so proud of that you are directing and I am very, very honored to be a proud of part of called 40 Days it's a movie mostly about immigration. Right. Do you want to explain a little bit without telling too much about people? Because the movie is coming out really soon. But for the audience that doesn't know us, can you just give them, like, the. The short, short summary about the movie?

[Peter Tekla]

Well, I'm not sure it's going to be short or not, because this, this movie, it has, like, a very good place in my heart. I worked on it, like, so, so much and so hard, and I was enjoying working with everyone in the crew. I'll try to be very short and direct to the point. So it's called 40 days, and it's about illegal immigrants who trying to make the hard way to the United States through South and Central America. And actually their point of start starts from their country of origin, way further than South America, and they travel through a tough journey all the way until they get to the US border and where the story happens. So we're trying to emphasize on how tough this journey is and how these people are victims of a lot of criminals that they face too. Sometimes they make it to the US and sometimes, unfortunately, they don't make it. It's tough. We're trying to say that, yes, America is land of, like a dreamland or land of dreams or the American dream, whatever you name it, but your life still worthy. Do not put it in danger. So this is basically what we were discussing in this movie. We've been working for about a year and a half now since we started the idea, writing, casting and crewing. And we just wrapped about like three weeks ago.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah, yeah, it was a very, definitely, very special project. Very tough shooting. Like we were telling Carlo before we started filming, shooting the podcast, we were literally filming out in the woods. But like you said, it's about people trying to get to the United States the hard way, the hard way, through Mexico, through the desert, and a lot of them end up dying in the process, falling in the hands of these coyote criminals. And this is why I decided I gotta invite Carlo to be a part of this episode, because all three of us are immigrants and come from. Well, Carlo, you come from a family of immigrants, and a lot of people from your family have actually gone through this in real life, correct?

[Carlo Dupont]

Well, yes, that's correct. Kind of common concept is, I think that a lot of the people that come through my family came over through, and they just give some context during the 60s and 70s, and most of them came out here and they migrated towards the Bakersfield area where all. When you go down a grapevine you see all the agriculture and they worked in the fields there. They worked hard. None of them I can probably say were criminals. They all were hard working, grew up there. They had families of their own. Kids, which are my cousins now, the second generation, which would be considered myself as well, which are my cousins. Most of them are all successful now. College graduates have great jobs, some controllers. One of my cousins actually runs their whole agricultural company there now, where her parents worked.

[Kat (Host)]

They came from Mexico.

[Carlo Dupont]

From Mexico. And they came just exactly how the movie is going to depict. They came that way.

[Kat (Host)]

They risked their lives because they were looking for a better future.

[Carlo Dupont]

Better future for their family, a better place to live, opportunity. Also a lot of things we got to realize is it's difficult to make money in Mexico. So when they come here, they make more money. They send money back to their families, help support their families at home as well.

[Kat (Host)]

But that's the interesting thing, right, Peter? I mean, you're from Egypt, I came from Brazil. You come from a family from Mexican immigrants. We are very lucky because we made it right. We live here. We all agree that our lives are very prosperous here. I think we all agree that we're very lucky. But that's not the case with everyone. A lot of people don't make it. A lot of people die trying to get here. A lot of people get in the hands of these coyotes. For people that don't know what the coyotes are, maybe you got. Maybe you can explain better what a coyote is.

[Peter Tekla]

Well, absolutely. So it's not. We're not against immigration because we are immigrants. So a lot of immigrants are very successful in here. I would say most of them. And I totally agree with Carlos because media shows that some immigrants are like criminals. But no, no, we're not. We're very successful. We're trying to make our life better. And same thing with people trying to come from different parts of the world through the same journey. And most of them, they don't really realize or they don't really know how tough it is. Maybe they've been told that it's tough journey, but they didn't know that they are in hands of coyotes. It's a term maybe you call like smugglers or they're like a mafia or something. They're like very terrible people that taking advantage of people want to immigrate to the United States.

[Kat (Host)]

You pay them and they say they will cross you here. Correct?

[Peter Tekla]

Yes. Well, this is ideal. But you pay them and sometimes they ask for more and more and sometimes they kidnap people, ask for more Money. Sometimes they kill people if they don't.

[Kat (Host)]

Pay them, because to them, these people are just merchandise.

[Peter Tekla]

True, true. Actually, some stories that I was told, that they get dressed into Mexican police so people would feel like, okay, we're safe in police hands. But they're not actual police. They're fake.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh, my God.

[Peter Tekla]

So a lot of these terrible things that immigrants wouldn't know about, and the worst part is that they don't allow them to use their cell phones to make videos, so they can't, like, warn other people coming from different parts or taking the same journey. So most of the immigrants are, like, more into victims and more than being criminals. So they come here looking for better life, for opportunity. Yes, America has the land of opportunity, but they don't realize that they might not even make it to the U.S. right.

[Kat (Host)]

I think many times they don't realize they're risking their lives. They might end up dying in the middle of the desert. And you were. We were having lunch before coming here to the podcasting studio, and you were saying something like that happened to one of your relatives that he was crossing and they asked for more money or something.

[Carlo Dupont]

Yes, not too long ago. A few months ago.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh, a few months ago. So this is fresh.

[Carlo Dupont]

It was fresh, yeah.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh, my God.

[Peter Tekla]

Oh, that's sad. Yeah.

[Carlo Dupont]

So he was traveling through the desert and oh, by the way, about cell phones you were mentioning, they made them take all the cell phones, go into one of the guys, takes all the cell phones and controls them all.

[Peter Tekla]

So they don't even allow to hold.

[Carlo Dupont]

No, they weren't even allowed to hold their phones.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh, my God.

[Carlo Dupont]

During that particular time, they didn't.

[Peter Tekla]

Okay.

[Carlo Dupont]

So. Yeah, and so they. They charged. I think it was about $10,000 to cross. And this is a common thing they do is they. Once you're in the middle of the desert, they'll make a phone call to the family members and say, if you don't, we. We need an additional $20,000 or what? Have whatever the XYZ amount is, and if you don't deliver, we're going to leave them here in the desert, and we're going to leave them here without any water, without any food, nothing. Just drop them off. Or. Or lots of times they'll just say, we're going to kill them, we're going to kill them, and we're going to leave them here. So, you know, these families don't have $20,000 just to, you know, just sit around like, you know, like anyone. So they have to call family members, borrow Money. Call friends, get all the money together, and then do a Western Union wire or their other forms of payment that they take and get the money wired over to them. So then in this situation, it ended up okay. He ended up in the city he was supposed to go to, which is Utah in the state. But it could have ended badly if they didn't have the money.

[Kat (Host)]

Or you still don't know. Like, you could send the $20,000 that they're demanding, and you still don't know if he's gonna.

[Carlo Dupont]

That's actually in a lot of cases where they do send the money. Still don't.

[Kat (Host)]

They could still kill the person.

[Carlo Dupont]

That still happens. You never know.

[Peter Tekla]

Untrustworthy. So you cannot. You cannot trust them.

[Kat (Host)]

Right? You cannot trust I. And actually, I. So a little background about the movie. When Peter invited me to be a part of the movie, I was so honored. And then. And I know this is an even bigger honor because you said to me, which role do you. I. I had two options between the roles. I could play one of the officers, right? The. The interview immigration officer, or I could play a coyote. And I said, I want the tough one. I want the really toug. I want to play the coyote. And he let me do it. And he was really, really tough because, you know, it's the opposite of my nature. I'm zero violent. I'm zero mean. It was a very difficult scene to shoot because I had to be nasty to those people and really mistreat them. And in my mind, I had to believe that. And I really. And. And it really shook me up thinking that, oh, my God, those people. And it's funny, because we were shooting in the elements. Like I was telling Carlo, we were literally up in the Tohanga Mo Mountains. It was cold. It was the end of the day after we were shooting for, like, 12 hours. And mentally, of course, we're actors. You know, we know it's fake. But, you know, mentally, we're living that for a long time. And we see those people with those faces, and we're getting tired, and you're being so mean to them. And I started thinking, oh, my God, I cannot believe people are actually. Right now. There are some people out there in the desert probably going through the same. Can you imagine the psychological abuse and fear that these people going through to get to the United States?

[Peter Tekla]

Yeah, you're absolutely right. So, as you mentioned, you're an actor, so you feel like, okay, at the end of the day, I'm acting. I'm going back home. But imagine the Actual situation, which as much as acting, we do as much shooting or lighting or whatever, the actual location, but still the reality is worse. I've heard a lot of stories that kind of matched Carlo's stories. And some people actually paid money and they got killed because they don't really care about person's life. They have multiple people. They just need money. And imagine how people under this stressful situation that they don't know actually they are gonna make it, they're gonna be alive, what they should do at this moment. And also one more story. Speaking of money, I was wondering, I was asking people, like, if you have to pay like $10,000, sometimes more to go for a better life, you can spend this amount of money in your home country and do something for you. And this question just pop up to my mind, and I realized that actually they borrow this money. They don't own it, they don't have it. They just borrow it from their family, their friends, sometimes from. They sell whatever they have and just hoping to come to the US make more money and just pay this money back. So they're sacrificing their money, their positions, their. Even children, their life just for this tough journey. And from the other side, the coyote that you played, one of them taking advantage of this. So they taking their money, taking their life.

[Kat (Host)]

It's really tough.

[Peter Tekla]

Raping their women. This happened.

[Kat (Host)]

Raping and killing and leaving them behind.

[Carlo Dupont]

Actually, more often more common than not is. Yeah, is the women. This is not an actual family member. It's a friend. Because obviously I have a lot of friends as well in Mexico. And his daughter that came across, she was 22 years old and she disappeared. They don't know where she's at. They don't know if they got sold to sex trade or human trafficking or was killed in a desert.

[Peter Tekla]

Imagine the parents, their parents feeling they don't know where she is right now. Is she alive? She's not. Is she suffering? Of course she is.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah.

[Peter Tekla]

Will they ever see her again? I mean, it's very tough feeling, and it's mixed feelings. And at the end of the day, you ask yourself a question. Does it really worth it?

[Kat (Host)]

Is it worth it? Right. Risking our. I don't think it's worth risking our life for anything. But this is a. I have a few tough questions for you guys. Obviously, election year, I think this movie could not be coming at a more appropriate time. It's such an important story to be told, and. And there's a major reason why I wanted to be a part of it. Number one, the honor of working with you again because you know I love your work. If you guys never watched his movies, please go to Google him. Peter Takla in. In a few years he made 10 movies. His movies are winning awards because we have the tendency to watch movies from American filmmakers which are fantastic, but we have so many fantastic international filmmakers. So here's a very well deserved plug. Go watch his movies. They're really fantastic. But this one coming in a perfect timing. I see these politicians on tv, right? They talk about the border, the wall, immigration. I do this, I do that, I do that. A lot of them don't have this close approach. Like Carlo is literally your family, it's your relatives. I don't know, doesn't matter who you want to vote for. But this is one question is this problem. I'll ask you first Peter, and then you, Carlo, do you think this problem is fixable? These people trying to cross the desert and being abused and this literally human trafficking?

[Peter Tekla]

It is. Of course it is fixable. And regardless, my political views, because I do have some political views, but.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah, but I know, let's try to keep that. Yeah, I'm gonna keep a whole other episode.

[Peter Tekla]

I'm gonna keep this to myself. But in this movie, we had zero politics. So we were talking about this issue from the humanity side. From do not risk your life. Yeah, from you are a victim. Just wake up. This is not something that you want to do for yourself or your children. Regardless of the political views, it is fixable. Any political party can fix it. And I think they can just make a better immigration way or immigration laws or make it look more controllable. And I really believe it's fixable. But maybe for political reasons, maybe they don't want to, or they want to, but they're waiting for some time. But definitely it is fixable.

[Carlo Dupont]

Well, it's definitely fixable, but I think without getting political, obviously, but if you reach a bipartisan agreement between both sides of the political party here and work in conjunction with the Mexican government, if, if they can reach that kind of an agreement together, together they can make that area safe and make it safe for people to. To apply for immigration, apply come over legally, not have to do what they're doing. Yeah, I understand. You said, you know, you wouldn't risk your life for coming through, but stop and think about what kind of lives are they experiencing right now in South America and those areas, those impoverished countries. A lot of them are politically, they're put in jails, they have no choice. A lot of Them are threatened to do certain things that they don't want to by the local gangs or cartels in those countries. So they have to leave. They have to flee with their families and they have no choice. So they might as well risk. Risk going through the desert with their entire family to get through here because otherwise they're going to get killed anyway. And their countries are in.

[Kat (Host)]

So in this case, that's a very good point and it's a very tough one. But in this case, and I don't know, maybe you know the answer. Can they. Could they file for, for, for example, political. Because, you know, like in. I know a lot of Russian people, they file for political asylum because they say, oh, I'm. I'm feeling afraid for my life. There could do, you know, if Mexicans, if they were afraid, afraid of the cartels or something like fearing for their lives, could they file for some kind of political asylum here? Probably not. Right.

[Carlo Dupont]

There's avenues to that. But they.

[Kat (Host)]

The kind takes forever, right?

[Carlo Dupont]

Yeah, it takes a long time.

[Peter Tekla]

Forever.

[Carlo Dupont]

And the US takes, does take precedence towards countries or there are other countries.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah.

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[Kat (Host)]

Right. It's the same for Egypt, right. To immigrate legally. If you come, let's say you come legally, you take off a plane and you land here. Like if you, if you're not going through the desert, if you, I don't know, if you say, I'm gonna get on a tourist visa and come here and try to figure out a way to stay. Takes forever and ever and ever, right?

[Peter Tekla]

Well, kinda. But what you said is legally, so they can just take a tourist visa and come here and there are multiple ways to change the visa, I think. I'm not an attorney, but based on my little experience, yes, there are multiple ways. But this is the way that we were asking people to do. Just try to come legally. Or at least if you exhaust legal resources, then you think about it. But the illegal resources, you. It's still, it's still the same thing. So what happens once you, you get you. You guys.

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[Peter Tekla]

Last successfully cross the border. It takes still some time to get a green card, maybe years, maybe, maybe whole life. So it's not even something that would be guaranteed. Of course they would be safer than what happened in their own country. And I totally agree with that. Some people, they don't have choice. But I don't think the millions out there at the border, they all have no choice.

[Carlo Dupont]

No, I agree, that's true. Yeah.

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[Kat (Host)]

But it's a very complicated problem because of the. Well, especially coming from Mexico because of the amount of people coming.

[Carlo Dupont]

They come in droves. Yeah.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah.

[Carlo Dupont]

It's not just a desert anymore. Now they're coming through boats and I mean boats have recently landed along the San Diego shores.

[Peter Tekla]

Oh my God.

[Carlo Dupont]

And they come running out. I don't know if you've seen those videos, but I haven't.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah, I have.

[Carlo Dupont]

They come in the little, you know, little pine panica boats and just pull up right to the shore and they all run out. Like it's just happened in Carlsbad. And they all come around and spread out. There's cars there, SUV's waiting to pick.

[Kat (Host)]

So it just gets worse and worse and worse. Your family, the ones that made it like you were saying, they build a great life for. Because it does happen. Thank God, right? There are some happy ending stories. Thank goodness. So these relatives, do you know what they say about it? Because you use the phrase that I hope people notice you said they're not criminals. Because a lot of Americans. And it's hurtful. I know. Because I'm an immigrant and I know. I mean, I suffer prejudice ever since I was a little kid. Just the fact that I'm from Latin America. They don't know a lot about us and they have this wrong image. And we see that a lot on TV and everything, especially in election year. They think everybody that comes here, especially illegally, are criminals. Criminals. And you use that phrase very delicate, delicately, in the beginning, said they're not criminals and they're productive and they do this and they do that and they do that.

[Carlo Dupont]

Well, I mentioned that because it's the first. Right now when you.

[Kat (Host)]

And it's so important.

[Carlo Dupont]

All you hear in the news now is they just talk about this criminal. Criminal. That's what everyone just thinks.

[Kat (Host)]

That's all that's going on. And it's not true.

[Carlo Dupont]

No.

[Kat (Host)]

So what do your relatives say about this whole situation? Have you ever asked them?

[Carlo Dupont]

A sensitive subject. They're, you know, my uncles and aunts are now older and they don't really like to talk about that. No, you know, they, what I can say is they all worked towards getting either their U.S. citizenships or their visas and they've bought their homes, they have mortgages, they have credit card bills and they, you know, so they're doing great.

[Kat (Host)]

They made it.

[Carlo Dupont]

They made it.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah, they made it.

[Carlo Dupont]

Have. Yeah.

[Kat (Host)]

When we started filming, the first day we filmed the movie, not in order, but the first day we were filming in the office of an attorney. She's a real, very successful immigration attorney. Right.

[Peter Tekla]

And she's immigrant too, by the way.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah, she's a very successful immigration attorney and she was consulting for Peter because Peter wanted to make the movie as realistic as possible. And she was talking about these detention centers and how people are treated when they come in and like. And it was to me, and I can never describe the way she described it. I wish she was here right now. But I was like really shocked because it's not like they get this one on one individual attention and the attorney and everything. They're literally thrown in a detention center officer.

[Peter Tekla]

Yes, because as far as I know, as far as I was told, it's. They're not, they're not few, handful amount of people. They're like thousands.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah.

[Peter Tekla]

Sometimes like hundreds of thousands. So there is no enough officer to do officers to decide whether they're allowed to get to the, to the S or not. So they throw them in detention center. Sometimes they spend month and month until they get a decision. I want to go back to the, the criminal thing that the media shows and I want.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Peter Tekla]

Because this is one of the movie messages. So we, we, we, we want to show that immigrants who decide to come illegally, obviously they had. They are. They exhausted their choices to. To come legally. And they're not. They're not criminals. They're not trying to come for criminal reasons. They're just victims. They don't know how tough the journey was. And they have dreams. They have American dream. They want to come here. We have this pregnant lady, she wants to give birth to her kid in the US and just raise him. And they have dreams to have their own house, their own nice job. And at some point they realize that they are victims. They are not. They're not criminals. So this is something that we want to emphasize with the movie. Going back to the detention center. It's again, it's a horrible place. Although it's safer than traveling to the US border, but it's still a horrible place. It's a prison, obviously. And actually we made it to shoot in an actual detention center. And it's a prison. It's a place that you just staying there, waiting for a decision, you don't know when you might.

[Kat (Host)]

And a lot of them, by the way, get sent back after all this trouble. They cross the desert, okay? They don't get killed. They get a lot of money taken away from them.

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Right?

[Kat (Host)]

A lot of money. And then they make it here and then they get sent back.

[Peter Tekla]

Absolutely.

[Kat (Host)]

They're not allowed to stay. Can you imagine the frustration?

[Carlo Dupont]

Or just imagine the women too, that get assaulted sexually? You know, they're raped in the desert. They make it through now under detention, and then all that they went through, and then they're sent back back.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh, my God. I cannot. I cannot imagine.

[Peter Tekla]

It's a case by case situation. I think it depends on the immigration officer or the immigration judge. Depends on what? What the laws. But not everyone make it to the detention center. Not necessarily to be admitted to the US Most of them actually send back. And I think they are signing a law or something that they want to send almost everyone back, even if they got to the.

[Kat (Host)]

Because that's the thing. That's a question, right? And I don't want to get political, but it's a massive amount of people. It's so many. And I think they get desensitized, right? They are treating those people like numbers. Like even. I remember a scene that we were shooting this officer, like, when she goes interview the main character. They literally, they have to interview piles of people to decide what they're gonna do with them. So to them, if. If they get emotional with each person that comes there, they wouldn't Be able to do a job.

[Carlo Dupont]

Right.

[Kat (Host)]

Right. So we get emot. It's like, oh, my God, I could never do this job. I would be crying all day long. But they literally, like, okay, you go do the, like the way the girl. Right. They're very automatic.

[Carlo Dupont]

Like, that's why you want to play the coyote in the movie. You couldn't play that.

[Kat (Host)]

I wanted to play the coyote because I never played a bad guy, you know, because I'm cute and blonde and adorable. So usually that's the types I play so different.

[Peter Tekla]

I know.

[Kat (Host)]

And I told Peter, I said, give me. I promise you I'm going to show up looking like a nasty.

[Peter Tekla]

You did it amazingly.

[Kat (Host)]

Thank you. And I think I looked like really nasty. I was. I was. I would be afraid of me if I saw me if.

[Peter Tekla]

If you guys are following cats. So you will see a very, very different cat.

[Kat (Host)]

I started posting a little bit of the behind the scenes and it was so cool because one of the guys there, he was like. He had a lot of training and he would have loved. I should have forced you to go there, Carlo.

[Peter Tekla]

This day.

[Kat (Host)]

Because we had. What's his name? Oh, my God, I'm horrible with names. One of the actors, he had a lot of training with the props and martial arts and guns.

[Peter Tekla]

I mean, Tito.

[Kat (Host)]

No, no, not Tito. He was one of our actor. Oh, my God, I feel so bad that I forgot his name. And he was. We were literally doing before my scene. He was. Because I never did that. I never punched anybody in my life. So we were doing like all these lessons. Like, this is how you punch and this is how you go on somebody's face, and this is how, like, you hold a gun and move. So it was like, really fun, but really intense because you have to believe if you have a gun, you would shoot someone. If you're gonna punch someone that you really mean to punch them, to hurt them, because you hate them. Right. All these things that are not my nature. But if you're gonna do that scene, you have to believe you're gonna do it.

[Peter Tekla]

That's true. So the reason a coyote that you played is punching someone, it's not because they hate them. It's because they are not allowed to talk.

[Kat (Host)]

Right, Exactly.

[Carlo Dupont]

Intimidation tactic.

[Kat (Host)]

Exactly, exactly.

[Peter Tekla]

It's just something to show them and to show everyone that, hey, you're. You're. You're just a number. You're. You're just a couple hundred dollars or whatever, a couple thousand dollars that you pay to us and that's it. Yeah, you're not allowed to object. You're not allowed to ask questions.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah.

[Peter Tekla]

So this is basically.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah, it's literally like, shut up, shut up, Don't. And actually, that was the line. No, I'm not gonna. No, no, that I'm not. Don't. Don't let me talk too much.

[Peter Tekla]

Let me tell you a story. It's. I'm not sure it's a. Should I call it like a funny story or a terrible story? But it was told to me by one of these immigrants. So, you know, there were some Egyptians. And Egyptians are like, kind of like Mexicans when they laugh and when they have jokes. Even in the best situations, they have some jokes because it's a long journey. So at some point, in one of the vehicles or staying, whatever, they were just making some jokes with a loud voice. Voice. And one of these characters were just, like, annoyed about their loud voice. So they just put the gun on. On top of one of their heads. And then, guys, if you don't make it down, I'm gonna kill your friend. Is it. Is it that cheap?

[Kat (Host)]

I mean, I mean, but it happens.

[Peter Tekla]

Yeah, it was like, surprisingly, it's not like asking them to lower their voice or whatever. It's just like, okay, I'm gonna kill this guy.

[Kat (Host)]

I'm gonna shoot you.

[Peter Tekla]

Yeah, that's it.

That's.

[Carlo Dupont]

No, that's the one thing. The majority of these coyotes are also majorly ran by cartels. And cartels don't have any care for life. They have zero care for life. It doesn't matter to them. You're just, like you said, you're a dollar figure and get you from point A to point B. Or it doesn't matter if you don't get to point B, they'll just leave you there and rot. So.

[Kat (Host)]

And I guess the three of us are talking and of course I have all these memories of being a part of this movie, which was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. I get very emotional because I'm an immigrant, you know, I think you are. You are in many ways. And it's such a huge part of our stories, our history, and a huge part of this country. And I think it's so important to tell stories like this. But just the thought that so many people go through this, you know, without help, I don't think we're gonna see a solution in our lifetime. But we only hope we can because I would hope that everybody can come in a safe way. Way like you said I would. And I understand why you said that. That they're risking their lives there, a lot of them. The cartels put them against the wall and they say, give me money or I'm gonna kill your family. Especially in Mexico. Right. That's one thing I don't like about my school cartels, of course. But I would hope, somehow, I don't know how everybody would be able to come in a civilized, safe way, which I don't think we can. You know, we're. We are gonna see. But before we started recording the podcast, you mentioned that Peter and I didn't know about. About your friend that does this work? Can you mention his name? Because if anybody out there has a family member in this situation, anybody from Mexico or Egypt or any other country that is, you know, out there in the desert or thinking about immigrating illegally or anybody that thinks that they need help in the borders. Carl, can you share this information? Because I think that's really important.

[Carlo Dupont]

Yes. A personal friend of mine, his name is Manuel Ramirez. He's an attorney in San Diego. He's a board member of organization. It's a nonprofit organization called Border Angels. You can go visit their website. It's borderangels.org and what they specialize is just advocate towards human rights. And that's their main focus. Assist everyone that's coming over that are looking for a better life and are struggling through that desert. Like you mentioned, they help provide assistance for them. And that's. So definitely visit their site, border angels.borderangels.org.

[Kat (Host)]

I'm definitely going to try to invite him to be on the show because this is such important.

[Peter Tekla]

It is so nice of him.

[Carlo Dupont]

Yeah, It's a group of attorneys, too, so they focus on human immigration reform, you know, social justice, things like that. So that's what.

[Peter Tekla]

And I would say these type of people, they're really in need of assistance because once they get to the US land, they're lost. Lost. They're still lost. They just feel safer, but they don't know what to do. They don't know what route they should take. They need legal assistance. They need, like, human rights assistance. So it's so nice of him doing that.

[Kat (Host)]

They're lost during the journey because as they're coming, they don't know what's gonna happen. They keep being shuffled around like thrown between one coyote to the other, the other, the other. They don't know where they're gonna go. They're just basically in the dark. They're just hoping they're gonna survive. Right?

[Peter Tekla]

Yeah.

[Kat (Host)]

And then like you said, they get here, they're hoping they don't know what is going to happen. And this is really, really a very powerful, fantastic script. It's just a beautiful, beautiful story. I cannot wait for the movie to be out, for us to share it with the world.

[Carlo Dupont]

I think with today's what's improved is obviously with social media. Everyone has cell phones now compared to the 70s and 80s when no one did. I think people now that are coming across know the dangers because they've seen like your movie, it's gonna be one that's gonna come out and everything that's on social media, people are aware of what's the dangers involved compared back in the 70s and 80s when they hope that they get through and everything's gonna be okay and they assume that. But even now, like you mentioned right now earlier at lunch, the process at the very beginning seems very calm and relaxed and you arrive and everything looks like it's gonna go normal and it slowly progresses to get to the worst case scenario. You mentioned that. I don't know if you want to touch on that too.

[Peter Tekla]

Yeah, well, this is exactly the, the same story that I've been told from almost everyone. So the story, the journey starts very comfortable, just taking a plane with a visa, legal to one of these south or Central American countries, mainly I think Colombia or Panama. So everything is okay. Legal. They just go to the country, they have a room in a hotel, spend the night, take the journey to another country and so on. And then it gets worse and worse as they go, I think until they reach a certain point in Mexico then where all things bad start to happen, they're on their own, no guides, spending the night in the middle of nowhere, no vehicles, no hotels, nothing. Just, just going different routes away from the police, away from everywhere, everyone just to get to the border. But as you mentioned now when I was actually doing research about this story, first of all, I thought it just for the past few years because of social media and because it's like this is the focus on it right now. But I realized that no, it's been there for, for like almost like 100 years or so. Like too many years. A lot of people are taking the same route. But it, the focus on it right now because of politics, number one, and because of social media and because of the, the numbers are increasing. So of course the number of people are coming right now is not the same as like 10 or 20 years ago. But it's, it's an ongoing topic. That's why as you mentioned, and we hope to see a solution in our lifetime, which we still hope that there will be a solution. I think as Carlo mentioned, if there's like some type of agreement with the Mexican government and the US Government, this would be stoppable at some point.

[Kat (Host)]

That would be incredible.

[Peter Tekla]

Yeah. I think if we all work together as governments, not as individuals.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh my gosh. In the meantime, I mean, from our.

[Peter Tekla]

Side, we're talents, we're storytellers. We're using our. Yeah, we're using our storytelling talent too.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah.

[Peter Tekla]

Just emphasize. Hey, there's an issue here.

[Kat (Host)]

But yeah, I think. And, and I, I'm. I, I hope, I think you agree with me when you're making indie movies, especially in emphasize indie movies. We're not a huge year. We're not a huge studio. Small budget, tons of blood, sweat and tears goes into it. You guys have no idea. But it makes it even more special because it's so much harder than having like $50 million right. With working with Warner Brothers. And we tell stories. We put it out there for the passion and the love of telling stories. And I feel that that's the part we can make. And when somebody like you is willing to come and share as well, because it's such a huge part of your heritage, I think you're doing it for your relatives that, you know, that did it. You know, they did it and survived. And like you said, they're not criminals. They are a huge part of what build our country.

[Carlo Dupont]

Well, let's face it too. I wanted to take a second to applaud you for making this film because let's face it, most of us are constantly just in our own little world. Our little bubble work. Right? It's true. We're all busy. We're working. We work 10 hour days, 12 hour days. I really don't know what's going on in the world. We don't listen to the news. I know a lot of people that way. They just don't have not a clue that what's going anywhere in the world. So. But they watch movies. So this is a great way, a powerful way for you to get your message across, to enlighten people and educate people what's actually happening there. So again, my hat off to you for making this film.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh my God. And when you watch it, I promise you're gonna love it. It's coming soon, right? Next year? Beginning of next year.

[Peter Tekla]

Yeah, we're planning to make it ready by 2025. By the beginning of 2025. Which is so close because time flies.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh my God. Yes. Yes.

[Peter Tekla]

Yeah. We're in post production now and we're working, like, very hard to make it.

[Kat (Host)]

Yes, we are.

[Peter Tekla]

As to the best that we can.

[Kat (Host)]

Yeah. And of course, once it's out, I'm gonna. You're gonna come back and we're gonna scream it to the. From the top of our lungs. We want everybody to watch it. And I don't want to get into politics, but you asked me on the way here, am I gonna vote? And you know, I'm like, I always play. I always joke that I'm Switzerland because coming from Brazil, I'm so traumatized about politics. But I am gonna do my part and vote for vote. Are you gonna vote?

[Peter Tekla]

Well, of course. Of course. Vote. So it's our duty to vote.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Kat (Host)]

So I'm saying cat on the loose, cat kingdom, please, let's vote. I don't care who you vote for. Right. Let's vote.

[Peter Tekla]

It's our part. It's our duty to the country to vote. So we all have to go to vote regardless. Maybe think about who you vote for, but vote. Yeah. Not for the person. Person. I don't want to go politics, but not for the person. Just go for the beliefs of the party, I think.

[Kat (Host)]

Yes. Vote. Execute your right and yeah, make your voice heard. Gentlemen, I feel extremely honored because I truly, truly admire both of you. I'm so happy I connected both of you. I'm sure we will do amazing, wonderful projects in the future together. Peter, thank you for driving such a long distance. Thank you with all my heart for including me in your project. It's an honor. I cannot speak in words.

[Peter Tekla]

I want to thank you for being part of this movie. So, Kat, you've been very helpful, very supportive. Not. Not only, like, I'm gonna start crying. No, I. I mean, I. I have to say it. So it's not only as an actress in the movie. So, Kat, you've been with me like, when. When we just started. When we just started pre production. She invited actually the team to her house and we had the first pre production meeting.

[Kat (Host)]

Oh, wow, that's true.

[Peter Tekla]

Yeah. So we. We was doing set design for us. She was doing, like, everything that she could do to help us making this film happen. So I want to thank you so much, Kat, for, For. For the. The big part that you've done for us. And thank you for having us here.

[Kat (Host)]

If anybody has the luck, next time I invite you to come to a Peter Tekla set. Run, don't walk.

[Carlo Dupont]

I will.

[Kat (Host)]

It's a huge honor because. Because I'm sure one of these days. We're going to be there picking up your Oscar. And you know, I, I adore you. I love your work. You're one of my mentors. I know you drove a huge long distance to be here. Thank you so much. Carlo Dupone, owner of Asta Maralti, one of the top real estate companies in Mexico, in the Mexican Riviera. Huge part of your culture. Thank you for supporting the podcast. Thank you for driving here. Thank you for everything you do. You're super inspiring. One of these days, I want to do a new episode with you about Entra being an entrepreneur, being successful. How do you run all these businesses? Because you know what I get, I get messages from people from all over the world asking these questions like, how do you run a business? And I don't know how to answer. So I definitely want to invite you back.

[Carlo Dupont]

I mean, be happy to.

[Kat (Host)]

Thank you guys. This was such an honor. 40 days coming soon. So stay tuned. Be safe out there. Thank you guys.

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