UPGRADING OUR ENERGY WITH THE ENERGY CEO MEL BRAUN

Summary

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Kat on the Loose

Host: Kat Zammuto
Guest: Mel Braun (“The Energy CEO”)
Episode: Upgrading Our Energy with The Energy CEO Mel Braun
Date: May 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this empowering and dynamic conversation, host Kat Zammuto dives deep into the topic of “energy” with Mel Braun, known as “The Energy CEO.” Together, they unpack how energy—physical, emotional, and spiritual—affects everything from the colors we wear to our relationships, daily interactions, healing after trauma, social media, and dating lives. The episode offers practical tools and honest advice for anyone looking to protect, transform, and elevate their “energy”—and thus, their entire life.

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1. The Power of Color and Personal Energy [00:31–05:43]

• Vibrational Effects of Color

  • Kat opens with her passion for energy and explains her “in character” choice of wearing red and yellow for vitality and confidence.
  • Mel affirms: color, especially red (root chakra—grounding, power) and yellow (solar plexus—personal power, vibrancy), carries energetic significance.
    • “Your belief system plays a huge part... you’re your own hype woman.” (Mel, 01:47)
  • Discussion about how wearing black is seen across cultures as grounding or even oppressive—the meaning is influenced by intention, tradition, and mindset.

• Notable Quote:

  • Kat: “If I don’t have something red in me, I feel declawed. I feel like it takes my energy away from me.” [02:23]
  • Mel: “You just breathe it, you live it, you vibe it, and it’s absolutely a frequency.” [02:52]

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2. Understanding and Managing Energy—People and Trauma [05:43–11:48]

• Defining Negative and Positive Energy

  • Kat reflects on how, in her healing journey after a traumatic marriage, she learned to avoid “bad energy” in people.
  • Mel introduces the concept of “emotional imprints” (instead of “trauma”) that linger energetically and manifest physically.
    • “When I thought of the word trauma, that kept me rooted in the past... so emotional imprints is what I now use.” [06:35]
  • Chinese medicine’s view: emotions stored in organs (e.g., liver = anger, spleen = worry, lungs = grief).

• Can People Change Their Energy?

  • Both agree: transformation is only possible if a person wants it.
    • “I’ve had clients say they wanted change, but I can tell from their energy body they really don’t.” (Mel, 09:31)
  • Sometimes, people remain under a “dark cloud” by choice or inertia.
    • Kat: “Some people don’t want to get out of the dark cloud.” [08:15]

• Letting Go to Transform

  • Key insight: true healing requires letting go—even after profound heartbreak or loss.
    • “At some point, you gotta let go of whatever it is that happened to you... you just have to let go.” (Kat, 10:28)

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3. Boundaries & Protecting Your Energy [11:48–15:06]

• Setting Boundaries Without Guilt

  • Mel: “I am a huge proponent of boundaries... I don’t have time for [negativity] because it does bog down our energy.” [12:37]
  • Negative or pessimistic people (even strangers) can affect your energy.
  • Quote: “Energy truly is contagious. And that is why... when you walk out into the world, it’s instantaneous.” (Mel, 13:23)

• Simple Energy Clearing Technique: “Ken Yoku”

  • Mel teaches a Japanese “dry bathing” gesture to physically clear lingering bad vibes:
    • Use your hand to sweep from shoulder down the arm, crossing your body, and add a “flick” at the end to release stuck energy. [14:32–14:59]
  • “Dog medicine” (i.e., spending time with pets) is also real and effective for energetic reset.

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4. Cultivating an “Invisible Shield” of Positive Energy [15:12–16:39]

• Kat describes her sense of an “invisible shield” protecting her from negativity as she becomes more fulfilled and content.
  • “The more positive energy you have, the harder it is for people’s negative energy to affect you.” (Kat, 16:07)
• Mel explains this is like strengthening a muscle: the more you practice positivity, the more resilient you become.
  • “There is neuroscience behind that, where you are retraining your brain in the neural pathways to see the good instead of all the bad.” [16:14]

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5. Social Media & Energy: Dealing with Trolls [16:39–19:40]

• Approaches to Negativity Online

  • Kat shares her tactic: responding to trolls with love instead of taking comments personally.
    • “I send them a lot of love, a lot of light. I always put a positive comment.” [17:24]
  • Mel: “That’s a them problem. That has nothing to do with you.” [17:41]

• Advice for Listeners

  • “Keep your eyes on your own paper—you’re not going to make everybody happy.” (Mel, 17:52)
  • Use the Ken Yoku clearing after unpleasant online exchanges.

• Memorable Moment:

  • “Your enemies are always watching... so instead of going away, do your thing to fuel your fire.” (Kat & Mel, 19:10–19:22)

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6. Women’s Empowerment & Uplifting Each Other [19:40–23:53]

• Reality TV, Social Dynamics, and Real Life
  • Kat expresses frustration with portrayals of women tearing each other down, advocating instead for support and solidarity.
    • “If you like her, support her. If you don’t, move on. But being caddy... I don’t trash.” [20:33]
  • Mel: “Let’s continue to build each other up. ... There’s room for everyone.” [20:55]
• Personal Growth and Generosity
  • Both discuss the importance of remaining supportive, especially when one’s own life was rebuilt after loss.
  • “Together we grow... we are so much stronger.” (Kat, 22:11)

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7. Energy and Dating: Exchange, Recovery & Attraction [23:53–39:07]

• Dating & Sex as Energy Exchange

  • Mel and Kat explore how sexual and romantic encounters powerfully exchange energy (often unconsciously).
    • “From an energy perspective, sex is a massive energy exchange.” (Mel, 31:24)
  • Mel cautions against poor “energy hygiene,” especially with serial daters or partners with negative energy.

• Heartbreak and Moving On

  • Both agree that the real way to “take your power back” is by not letting heartbreak close you off to love.

    • Writing a “release” letter and burning it as a ritual can aid in letting go (full moon recommended).

  • “You can’t just keep it in a box... when your energy is bogged down like that, you’re not allowing that room in your heart to attract the love you were really seeking.” (Mel, 27:19)

• Attracting the Right Partner

  • Success means focusing on yourself—contentment and self-love make you a magnet for positive, healthy relationships.

  • Both share personal stories: Kat uses non-negotiable lists for dating, Mel recommends “intentional power boards” (vision boards with affirmations and images to prime your mind for opportunities).

  • “We’re focusing on, ‘I want someone who focuses on a healthy lifestyle’... because all of that is a frequency. We’re being mindful of this energy that we’re attracting.” (Mel, 36:17)

• Breaks and Recovery

  • Both advocate for taking time, even full “dating diets,” after emotionally draining experiences to restore energy.
    • “My quiet time, my Mel time, is a non-negotiable... I still have to make time for that so I can show up and be the best version of me.” (Mel, 37:32)

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8. Handling Negative People & Setting Limits [39:07–42:43]

• Is it possible for persistently negative people to transform?
  • Mel: “It’s not all of a sudden… we want a quick fix for everything. Sometimes it takes a long time.” [39:41]
  • Higher energy and mindfulness = lower tolerance for “doom and gloomers.”
• It’s crucial to set boundaries and, if necessary, step back from energy-draining individuals.
  • “When you’re raising your vibration... those lower frequency people, they’re just going to start to fall off because they’re not going to be able to hang with your good energy.” (Mel, 41:05)
• Key point: People must want to change; you can't do it for them.

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9. Final Thoughts & Where to Find Mel [42:43–End]

• Summary encouragement: “Every thought you have creates a frequency that’s communicating with the cells of your body.” (Mel, 42:01)
• To learn more, Mel is most active and accessible via Instagram: @themelbraun

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Notable Quotes

• Kat: “If I don’t have something red in me, I feel declawed.” [02:23]
• Mel: “Energy truly is contagious... when you walk out into the world, it’s instantaneous.” [13:23]
• Kat: “Some people—there’s a little dark cloud... They just want to be there.” [08:15]
• Mel: “Every time you let this person affect you... all that is doing is giving your power and your energy away. And I’ve worked way too damn hard to allow that to happen.” [25:10]
• Mel: “When you’re not looking for your partner, that’s when you’re going to find them.” [38:30]
• Mel: “Your emotions are simply energy in motion.” [42:31]

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Tone: Honest, unfiltered, uplifting, and practical, with humor and compassion throughout.

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Practical Takeaways:

• Use color and intention to boost daily energy.
• Release old pain with rituals like writing and burning letters.
• Set boundaries—protect your energy from negative people (it’s science, not woo-woo!).
• Respond to negativity online with kindness.
• Prioritize self-love and “me time”—it changes who (and what) you attract.
• Use tools like “Ken Yoku” and vision boards for energetic resets and manifesting goals.

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This episode provides a potent mix of science, spirituality, and street-smart advice on creating and protecting the life—and love—you really want.

Transcript

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[C]

Mel, welcome to Cat on the Loose.

[B]

Thank you so much for having me. Kat. I'm so excited to spend this time with you.

[C]

I'm so excited to have you. Welcome to la. I'm very appreciative of your time because nothing like doing at the studio. Right. So much better than. Than video episode that. Than like zoom episodes I love.

[B]

Exactly. Well, the energy is different. The vibe is different. You can re. I can feel the energy. We met in the parking garage and I was like. And then we both wore yellow.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I was like, that's not coincidental either.

[C]

So let's start to that. I am huge. Huge. I'm obsessed with the word energy. I'm obsessed with energy. I cannot believe I didn't do an episode about energy before. So I have 10 million things I want to talk to you about. So let's do this fast and furious. Let's. Let's start with the color.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I am a huge believer that certain colors just spike up my energy. So I came in character. If you guys are listening to the audio episode, please make sure you go to YouTube cut on the loose show so you can see what we're talking about. But I'm wearing both my favorite energy colors. Right. Red and yellow. Because I want it to, like, explode.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

To me, that makes a huge difference in how I carry myself, how I feel, how I vibrate. Do you think that's, like, true or it's just something that we. We believe in or does this really make a difference?

[B]

Well, two things with that. Number one, your belief system plays a huge part. Right. So you're your own hype woman. Like, oh, I'm putting this on and it's making me feel confident and beautiful and ready to show up, which is elevating your energy. But from an energy perspective, a couple of things I did notice is the red we associate with the color of the root chakra, which is at the bottom of the tailbone. So very grounding, very powerful, very bold, which I would say definitely is your personality in a great way. And then yellow we associate with our solar plexus. And that again, is a very powerful color. So you nailed it today with that color combo.

[C]

Yeah. So red for me. Like, you probably notice, I always have red nails. I'm obsessed. Like, red nails and red lipstick. I have tried. Even my nail lady, she love. She laughs because, like, let's put pink. Let's. And I'm like, I've tried, but I feel declawed. I feel like it takes my energy away from me if I don't have something red in me.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You know, and then if I have my nails, I feel like, okay, this is.

[B]

I'm here.

[C]

Yes, it's me. Yes.

[B]

Yeah. No, that's fantastic. And you just breathe it, you live it, you vibe it, and it's absolutely a frequency.

[C]

So how some people, for example, most women, they wear black, black, black, black, black all the time. And of course, we all love black.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I'm obsessed with black because it makes us look great. It's classy. It makes you anybody look thinner. But a lot of people say that, you know, you send. Especially like, if you follow the Chinese culture. Right. They said this year is the year, the horse, the year of red. But Chinese say never wear black. Even in Brazil, Brazilians, black is the color of funeral. So you lot of Brazilians wearing red, black in their day, day everyday life, do you think that could carry some weight in how people live their lives? Like, a woman that I have a friend that all she wears is black all year long.

[B]

So I know a few people that they just seem to be more subdued in their color choices. I think it does go back to the vibration of they're looking for maybe to be a little more grounded or maybe that's the way that they feel more comfortable for them to showcase their energy and their personality. Because some people think of black as also very powerful. Right. We have, like, the powerful business suits.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So it could be. I think it really just depends. Like, for me, I chose the black shirt to go with the skirt and the skirts. Like, we're here to party.

[C]

Exactly. It's very happy. It's all.

[B]

It's all whatever. I think that person is perceiving it as well.

[C]

Yeah. I do feel I. By the way, I am guilty of that a lot. Like, sometimes I see. I find myself because I don't have a lot of time, so I just grab the first black, black, black, black, little dress, lbd, and then I'm like, okay, Catherine, stop. Let's start wearing other things, because I don't want to get this black, black, black, black vibe in my life. Do you think that's a good idea? To maybe try to switch it up?

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. Just play with it. I think all of that, again, is just you showcasing your personality. Or like anytime that I do black, let's say you're gonna wear all black. I would always go with like a pop of color, like a turquoise or something like that. Just to showcase a little extra pop of that frequency.

[C]

Yeah, I love that. Now, let's talk about energy in people. Because for me, that's also a huge one. Especially now in this phase of my life. I don't know if you know my story, but I was a horrible marriage. Long story. That's how the show started. Nowadays, I'm in my happy phase. Right. I'm working, I'm enjoying. I love doing the show. I'm very peaceful. Very peaceful. So I'm obvious obsessed with good energy. So if I meet someone, I don't care if it's like if they text me, if they call me, if I see a photo or if I meet them in person, if I catch the vibe that this person is negative or bad energy. And I can't really put my finger on what I mean. What does it mean, bad energy?

[B]

Right, right.

[C]

I think it's something personal you're going to tell us. I immediately, I'm like, I don't have nothing to do with this person. I just don't want to be around people with bad energy. Energy. So many questions within that. The first question is, do you notice that in certain people, and if yes, can they change? Is there a little secret? How can someone go from bad energy to good energy? Or some people are just born with bad energy and they carry that forever.

[B]

That's a very loaded question. I'll try to unpack that one.

[C]

And it's even more loaded that I'm trying to.

[B]

I know. Okay, so let's start with the first question, which was, does somebody just have bad energy or how did they get through the bad energy? Let's start with the positive. How do we move forward? Right, right. So a lot of things can happen to people in their lifetime. You know your story in particular. Right. It's a heavy hitter. And there's a lot of women especially that have went through, unfortunately, a lot of what you have as well. So I call that instead of trauma, I've switched it because again, to me, everything is a mindset and a frequency. I've decided to change the verbiage from trauma to emotional imprints. Because for me personally, what happened is when I thought of the word trauma, that kept me rooted in the past. When I was looking forward to really drive my energy and my life in a forward direction. So emotional imprints is what I now use. So when people have these emotional imprints, that is an energy, a frequency that stores in the body. So we talked about Chinese earlier, Chinese medicine. They believe, and I do as well, that those emotions store in different places of the body. So, like, for instance, the liver houses anger, the spleen is worry, the lungs grief. So when you have people that maybe they have these different ailments showcasing in the body, it's interesting when you start to do the peel back the onion approach and really identify what is the root cause of these. So for people with this heavy, loaded, bad, bogged down energy is they kind of have. I call it like a clogged drain. So they can do different things that could be mindfulness, that could be energy work, acupuncture, there's many different forms, Tai chi, yoga, to move that energy, to process those emotional imprints. So, like, for you, when you went through your situation, were there certain things that you leaned on to help move through all of that?

[C]

Yeah. So for me, funny enough, it was doing the show because when I started the show, it was right when Covid hit, right? I was sitting in this tiny, tiny, tiny apartment. I was completely broke. I was completely alone. I didn't have any fam. Like leader. I'm not kidding. My bad. My family members ran away in the middle of the night because they didn't want to help. I was, like, helpless. And then I started venting. So if you listen to episodes like from five years ago, you're like, oh, my God, who is this person? And as I was venting and I noticed, oh, my God, people are there listening. Women are relating. Everybody has some kind of pain they've been through inside. I kept going and going and go. And as I was going and going and going, that was my therapy. And so I would go, go back and listen to an episode. And that did a lot of good. I was started. Started healing. But of course, I always say healing is not overnight, right? It's not like snap your fingers. Like, for me, look, it took me seven years to get here to this happy place, but. But I was willing to do the healing. And I feel that a lot of people, and I know some of them, I always joke that I look at them and I see this little dark cloud on top of their head. Like they walk and there's a little dark cloud. I feel some people don't want to get out of the dark cloud. They just want they do.

[B]

I absolutely agree. In my practice over the years, I've had clients that they've said that they've wanted to make the changes, and I can tell from their energy body that they really don't. You know, and it's. It's a sad thing because I've seen the mega transformations that can happen in people's lives.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But to your point, they have to want to do the work. And I've also realized not everybody wants to be helped. That is so hard. So hard.

[C]

That is so true. My husband was a good example. He was. He made millions of dollars and nothing in the world made him happy. It doesn't matter. We could be in Monaco, at the best hotel in Monaco. He was drinking in the room, miserable, complaining about his past. And I think you tell me if you agree it's key to changing your life, turning your life around, turning your energy around. At some point, you gotta let go of whatever it is that happened to you just have to let go.

[B]

That's really difficult for a lot of people.

[C]

Yes. So how do they. I know, because they're going to say, but how? He broke my heart. She did this, he did that. We. In my case, I was abused. In other women's case, it's even worse, Right. My sister, her husband committed suicide. My sister saw her husband, he shot himself in the head. So when I thought my trauma was the worst, hers is so much bigger that I. I feel like, you know, protected over her. But the people that don't want to let it go. Is there anything you could say, any. Any recommendations, suggestions, encouragement that they could possibly change their mind?

[B]

I mean, I would definitely encourage someone in that particular situation to explore different modalities when you find yourself. It's like I have this vision of a cyclone, right? They just sun up, sundown, it's kind of Groundhog Day, and they just have to get out of that city cyclone. So maybe if their friends or family members are noticing these characteristics and these patterns happening for this person that they love, that they really want them to get out of this rut, maybe they need to be the one to encourage them. But those types of people, and I have some of those in my family, that it's. I don't know that they're ever going to change because they don't want it. Right.

[C]

So is it okay? Well, yeah, I agree. So is it okay to just say, you know what? I can't deal. Because nowadays that's what I do. I feel I've already been and I'm super Honest about him. Like, listen, I've been through hell and high water. It's a freaking miracle I'm alive. I don't want to have anybody bad energy around me. I don't care who you are. I'm just like, I can't. I try and I try and I try, and then I'm like, okay, I cannot deal with anybody. You know, people even like smaller things. Like, there's some. Some people, they wake up and they complain, right? It can be the sunniest day. They're healthy, they're walking around and they

[B]

complain about, pessimistic about every single thing.

[C]

And I'm like, I don't want to be around you.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is it. Is it bad to cut someone to protect our energy? Do you think it's too radical?

[B]

So, no. It's very important that you know that you recognize that. I am a huge proponent of boundaries. People know that about me. And over the years, as I've deepened my practice in my energy work and my mindfulness, I don't have time for that because it does. It bogs down our energy. And not to get too scientific with it, but from a quantum physics perspective, we know that we are comprised of tiny particles called atoms, right? And those atoms are constantly emitting and absorbing energy. So energy truly is contagious. And that is why. So it's scientific. It's not. Woo, woo. And so when you walk out into the world, like as soon as you and I met, it was instantaneous. I was like, oh, my gosh, we're fast friends, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Or to your point of what we're talking about as well, when you have that negative net or Nancy, they're just bringing the vibe down. And that is contagious.

[C]

And then.

[B]

But you also may notice, and this is something also to touch on not just people that we know, but interactions that you have with someone. Like, let's say the grocery store, you walk past someone and they were kind of like snooty to you, and you just were like, oh, they just. They had bad vibes. And then you were positive when you walked into the store. Now you had this interaction and you go out to do the rest of your errands that day, and you're like, gosh, I'm just feeling a little drained and I'm feeling a little crabby. Like, why all of a sudden? Because that was an energy exchange. And now this person's energy is stuck to you. So let's do a quick exercise.

[C]

Yes. How do we unstick that?

[B]

How do we unstick this negative energy.

[C]

Honestly, I lock myself in my house with my dogs.

[B]

Dog medicine is always the best.

[C]

Yeah. Or I take Phoenix on a really long walk and they get my hand. I swear to God that that's what they do. But tell. Tell other people, maybe people that don't have dogs. What do we do?

[B]

Yes. So there is actually a Japanese technique called kin yoku.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And in English, it's translated to dry bathing. So you just take your right hand to your left shoulder and you sweep down your arm, and then left hand, right shoulder, sweep down the arm.

[C]

Really?

[B]

And then left hand to shoulder, cross the body to the right hip, sweep down, and then opposite, and then sweep down and I give a little flea flick because, like, a little extra, like.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. So that's like.

[B]

That is a Japanese technique, dry bathing, but in Japanese, it's called kenyo.

[C]

I love that. I'm gonna start doing that, and you will notice.

[B]

You will feel a difference. I've had people reach out to me on Instagram that they're like, oh, my gosh, Mel, I actually do feel a lot better.

[C]

Yeah. And I believe maybe. I don't know if you're probably not going to think I'm crazy, but I know a lot of people think I'm crazy. When you get in this place of being so happy, so fulfilled, so content with your life, I almost see, like, an invisible shield around me. Like, my energy is kind of. And this shield gets bigger and bigger and bigger around me, which means it gets harder and harder and harder for people to, like, break through and actually affect me. Yes, of course it happens sometimes. You know, sometimes I lose my cool. Sometimes I do get tired, I do get affected, but. But it's really hard for that to happen. And I literally see this shield, like, because nowadays I know my positive energy is so powerful. And again, it took a long time for me to learn how to do this. But I think if you get to this place and I don't know how you see your energy or if you kind of believe in what I'm saying.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

But I think the more positive energy you have, the harder it is for people's negative energy to affect you.

[B]

It is. And it goes back to, like, training a muscle. Right. And so the more that you train yourself of, like, I am going to see the good in this negative situation. There is neuroscience behind that, where you are retraining your brain in the neural pathways to see the good instead of all the bad. But again, it goes back to what we were saying earlier, the free will and to make the choice to want to see those things.

[C]

Yes. Bravo. And since we are doing a live on TikTok, let's talk about social media for a second before we talk about energy dating.

[B]

Because that's a lot of energy.

[C]

No, because I know a lot people. Of course you post something. They're always the. The trolls, the horrible people. Oh my God. If you guys saw the comments I get. But I think, and again, that's because of my positive energy. I think someone that takes time out of their miserable lives to leave a nasty comment to someone they never met, they are probably very unhappy, miserable, going through something tough. So it's their two seconds of like discharging their negative energy into you. So I don't get personally hurt by it because I know a lot of people get really hurt.

[B]

They do.

[C]

I kind of like, I send them a lot of love, a lot of light. I always put a positive comment. It can be the worst comment. I'm like, oh, sweetheart, you know, I'm sending you so. And they get. Many times they get even more irritated. Yeah. Because I'm responding with kindness and love. But that works for me.

[B]

That's a them problem. That has nothing to do with you.

[C]

But what would you say to everybody out there that really gets hurt by the negativity that social media brings for me?

[B]

And what I've really learned over the years is I've called it the keep your eyes on your own paper and you're not gonna make everybody happy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's okay. You know, I really had to come to terms, honestly this year of I'm not gonna be everybody's cup of tea. Shame on them. They're missing out, you know, and not everybody's gonna like me. And that's okay. Not everybody's gonna believe in what I do. And I'm like you, do you. I'm going to do me. It's working for me. So it's really one of those going back to the frequency of we have to choose if we're going to allow that comment from this complete stranger that doesn't know us, that they're just miserable in their own company and we're not joining that company. We're not going to let them bring us down. And we are human. And I mean, you know, they say sticks and stones and, you know, the words won't hurt me. And I'm like, yes, it. Sometimes it does, you know, but that's okay. So if you get that comment, go back and do your kinyoku. Wash it off.

[C]

Love that On, Yes. And listen, I. I hear, especially younger people, they're like, oh, I'm gonna take a break from social media. I can't take the back. I'm like, why are you care about the backlash?

[B]

Right.

[C]

You know, if somebody's paying attention, that much attention to your work, that they're going through the trouble of leaving comments. Like you said, they're increasing your engagement.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Your enemies are always watching.

[B]

Right, Right.

[C]

They're always creating fake account. Oh, let me see what Mel is doing.

[B]

Thank you, algorithm. We appreciate the haters.

[C]

So instead of going away, like, do

[B]

your thing, do your thing to fuel your fire.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and maybe, I mean, depending on what the comment is, like, maybe that's something that you confront and you're like, hey, this was an energy exchange. And this is what I did, you know, to combat that and use it for more engagement, more content.

[C]

Another thing that really bothers me, and this really bothers me, is when I see TV shows, I understand they make money, but I just cannot understand the cat. And as you know, these reality shows like the Housewives, they're calling each other the most horrible names they are calling. They're fighting with each other, they're trashing each other, they're putting each other's dirty laundry on camera. And, you know, and people and girl, mean girls, like, very successful girls. I don't want to name names, but girls that are making millions of dollars fighting with each other on social media. She did this, she did that. And I'm thinking, like, what are we doing? The world is such a tough place as is. I think women should unite. Even if you don't like a woman, move on. But if you like her supporter, if you don't like her, move on. But being caddy and I don't trash. Right.

[B]

I don't like that.

[C]

Isn't it painful?

[B]

It is painful. And I think as women as a whole, we've worked so hard to really elevate ourselves in society. So it's total nonsense to just continue to want to drag each other down. Let's continue to build each other up. As you and I were talking earlier, before we started recording, is there's room for everyone?

[C]

Oh, my God, yes.

[B]

In podcasting, in my energy world, I love nothing makes me more proud. And I have so many of my Reiki students that have launched their own businesses and they're super successful. And they are the first ones to tell you, I'm right there cheering them on, helping them get their business out there, because all of us are unique all of us bring a different energy.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And that's okay.

[C]

I love that you're saying that and I agree with you 1 million percent. Because like I was saying to you, when my husband died and I lost all my assets, I had to start my life over. I swear on my mom's soul, everybody turned their back on me. Everybody. Even my closest friends, my relatives, everyone. And I remember I said, I am never going to be this person. I am never, ever going to be this person. So now, like you said with the, the show, and by the way, much bigger shows than me, mistreated me, treated me like, gave me the worst interviews. I don't care. I always say I'm never going to be this person. So when the smaller shows now come to me, do you want to be on my shoulder? I'm always like, my doors are open. If there is anything I can do. Because like you said, together we grow everybody's business. We are so much stronger.

[B]

Right, Right. It makes me think of the Gandhi quote, be the change you wish to see in the world. Right. And you really become a leader and people admire and look up to you. And it's really important to set that precedent so it creates that ripple effect for other people to latch onto that. And again, that's putting the good, good energy out that is honestly raising the frequency of humanity. And we need that.

[C]

I know.

[B]

So keep going. Yes.

[C]

I was gonna mention to you, I don't know if you watch it, but, you know, I watch it because I like knowing everything's gone on the. The Housewives. I watched the Beverly Hills Housewives because I live in Beverly Hills.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

And there is a new girl. Her name is Amanda, Amanda Francis.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

She's a self made multi millionaire. She sells. She sells manifestation courses online.

[B]

I need to be friends.

[C]

She has a book called Rich as. She's fabulous.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And the other girls, because she's the new girl. Oh my God, the other girls are like ostracized, like going after her business. And she's very poised and she's very eloquent and she does, she keeps her cool. So the entire season I'm watching this older ladies trash this younger girl and, and like attack her business. And one of them called her like, oh, this is such fraud. And she's like very calmly defending herself. And I remember thinking, I understand everybody wants to make money and TV is a massive platform exposure.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But when I see like women doing that to another woman talking about energy, that's one thing that really affects my energy. Although I know none of them.

[B]

It just gets you fired up.

[C]

Yeah, it gets. Oh, I don't want to watch. This is so painful.

[B]

Right. But I do want to say, what was the gal's name with the manifestation?

[C]

Amanda Francis.

[B]

Amanda. So Amanda, I don't know her, but I already love everything about her because what she's doing is she is truly embodying her work. And it doesn't mean that maybe in the background she's not getting upset, but I can tell you that she has done a lot of work and energy and mindfulness to really ground herself, to hold her composure. And that, again, takes work like that muscle. So kudos to her.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

She's really exuding what she embodies.

[C]

I loved. And that's what I. I try to do with. With negative comments, with anything. Anybody that leaves a nasty message on my feed. I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna try to, like, not that affect, right? The rest of my work, right? But somebody out there listening. Obviously, there are people that. I'm gonna lose my cool. I have blood in my veins. I don't care. I'm gonna call you. But if you call me. Oh, name, I'm gonna call you. If you call me a. You're a bigger bitch. What would you say? Like, is there training to get to this point? Like, to not let this affect you as much?

[B]

So the first thing that I really work with people and what I've done is understanding your internal dialogue. What is your mental landscape and having that awareness. And so when someone. I still get triggered. I've been doing this for well over a decade, and there's still days that I'm like, like, that's one of those days. That's one of those people that just really gets under my skin. And, you know, I had a conversation with myself not long ago, and I said, you know what, Mel? Every time you let this person affect you, all that is doing is giving your power and your energy away. And I've worked way too damn hard to allow that to happen. I'm in control of that. So once I had that conversation with myself, then I was like, just kill them with kindness. Going back to the comments, right? Just kill them with kindness. Because they may not even know what's going on. Or maybe then it just pisses them off more, right? And they're engaging and they're just. But again, they're giving their energy away. And you're like, I'm good. I wrap that up and put a pretty bow and I've tucked it away. And I'm moving on, and I'm staying elevated and positive and grounded and confident in who I am.

[C]

Yeah, I love that you said that. Take your power back. Because that applies also to dating, for example. I, I, we hear that a lot. Right. Someone has a broken heart, and they're like, I'm now I'm done. I'm never gonna date again. And I'm thinking, you give whoever broke your heart, you're giving that person this much power.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Over your life.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That you're like, I gave up on finding love. I'm never gonna find in love. I think the way you take your power back is by finding love again, being even happier than you were with that person.

[B]

Right, right. But it's also, I would say, don't sweep it under the rug, because from an energy perspective, like we were talking about earlier, it's going to bog down your energy. So let's say, for instance, someone really did have heartbreak, because unfortunately, that's a common thing. All of us have had heartbreak at some point in your life, whether it was your teenage years or later. And so understanding that, you need to process that, it's not just lifting up the rug and sweeping it under. So processing it may be journaling. I'm a huge advocate of, like, journaling and then writing a letter to that person. Maybe you have a little ceremony, but don't send it.

[C]

Right. Don't send it.

[B]

No, no, no. Don't send it. Well, that's what I was gonna say. And I love, I love working with the energy of a full moon. So I'll have this little ceremony of something that I'm looking to release, and you can write this letter, and then you can put it in a fire safe bowl or if you have a fire pit or whatever it is for you, and then I release it to the universe, to God's source, whatever it is for you, and just let it go. And that I have found and not type it out. Writing is, again, moving that energy through. And you would be so surprised, Kat, how extremely powerful that is. And again, it's giving your power back because you're letting go. Because when your energy is bogged down like that, you're not allowing that room in your heart to attract the love that you were really seeking. So you've got to let that go. You can't just keep it in a box. And then again, I'm a huge proponent, obviously, because it's what I do and what I've seen work for a lot of people of Reiki, again, acupuncture different modalities, whatever it is that resonates with you, but it's important to move that energy through your body.

[C]

Very interesting. As I think do whatever works for each one. Right. Just don't give up on love.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Because I think if you say, oh, that's it. I never want to have this, my heart broken again. I never want to give somebody a chance again. You are giving that person that did something horrible to you your power.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And the other thing it makes me think about when I met my husband, which was wild, that that was like 18 years ago. And he. I know. I saw your eyes get.

[C]

Look so young. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So he was 19 and I was 21.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. And I had went through a heartbreak to our point, and I was like, you know what? I'm just ready to boss, babe. I'm climbing the corporate ladder. And I was like, I'm only gonna focus on me. And I think that. And literally the day that I said that to the day I met my husband was a month.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And so we had our first date on a Monday, we're official by Friday, and moved in together six weeks later and been together ever since.

[C]

That's awesome.

[B]

And so I think it's important too that when you are going through this heartbreak, you're processing, but you're focusing on you not making anybody else happy, not seeking external validation, but making yourself happy. And because again, it's the energy, when you're happy, those atoms are emitting that out and you are going to pull into your sphere and your orbit that positivity of the love that you were really seeking.

[C]

I love that. And I. I'm a huge believer that the more you love yourself and the more you love your life, the more you have going on, the bigger are the chances that you're going to attract the right people.

[B]

Absolutely. Absolutely. You. Right. Reaching pure contentment with yourself is so, so powerful for that.

[C]

Yeah. Now, I want to talk about dating because I saw something you posted online, but I don't wanna. I don't remember the exact words, but you did mention something that. I completely agree with you. When, obviously when people are single, and I'm not judging anyone, by the way, but when people are single, and I know a lot of women date a lot, or my case, I'm like, I really take my time.

[B]

Like too long. Take time. Yeah.

[C]

Like sometimes I'll literally, like last year, I went the whole year dating.

[B]

Yeah, that's fine.

[C]

I'm like, you know, I think there's long breaks but that's me. You know, I call them the man diet, the dating diet. They do me a lot of good.

[B]

That's okay.

[C]

But a lot of people and I have girlfriends like that. They, they're like serial daters. One and, and guys as well. I have a guy friend. Omg, he needs your help because he goes through, he dates, dates, dates. He's like, I want to be in a relationship. But in the meantime, like his apartment is a revolving door of women and he's having sex with many. One woman after the other, woman after the other. It's not that I'm judging.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

These women or even him. But I think sex is probably, if not the biggest, one of the biggest exchanges of energy.

[B]

It really is.

[C]

And you, you mentioned something about that, right?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

So what is your opinion on, on doing this sex dating over and over?

[B]

Well, I never lived that life, so I don't, I don't know. Right. But everything I know is from energy. And from an energy perspective, you are correct. That is a massive energy exchange. And going back to what we were saying earlier, let's say you just hook up with this guy or gal and they have the negative energy. Now guess what? You were all positive and then that energy is stuck.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And you may start to notice like unconsciously for a while like all these things start to happen and you were positive and you had doing great at your job and then things start to fall to the wayside and all of that. That's because that energy is lingering now in your energy field.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So I mean, again, I'm not judging. I'm with you. You do you. But from an energy exchange, it's not,

[C]

I know it's not.

[B]

It's not good energy hygiene.

[C]

And I ex. And I will go even further like this. I use this guy friend as an example. Right. I always think about the women. I'm thinking, oh my God, if this girl's new because they meet, they meet him. And a lot of women do this. Of course. We all want to be in a relationship with a successful, rich, good looking guy. Okay. He's all of these things. So every girl he meets, one date, two dates, they. He invites them over to his apartment. They're like, oh yes. But they think they're the only one. So I'm thinking in my brain. He's my best friend, by the way. He's like my brother.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I'm thinking, my brain. Oh my God, I feel so sorry for these women because they don't know there is energy in his bed. There Is energy in his body.

[B]

I know you're like, I wish you

[C]

guys could see her face now. But what I would say to women is, before you make this decision, oh, he is my guy. He's the guy for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, maybe do your due diligence a little bit more, because that's how men are. And I'm not saying all of them, but that's how men are. They will. Guys don't think sex the same way

[B]

girls think of sex.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Right.

[C]

So I think a lot. Women get tangled up too quickly with guys in that sense.

[B]

And I know, obviously, I don't know your friend, but what keeps coming to

[C]

me, I'm gonna connect with him. Trust me, he needs your help.

[B]

I'll look forward to his call and working with him. But what is coming to my mind for him, too, is just like, is there a void?

[C]

Oh, yes, there is a void.

[B]

So it's not even just like, I need it. This is like a pleasurable. It's like there's a void in his life that he's looking to fulfill. And you know what? That comes across the board. Many facets and relationships for people, too. That, again, going back to that contentment and being happy with yourself and attracting the right partner is filling those voids with the positivity and the way that you want your life to work. And this. This may sound a little like high school or to some people, but there's actually neuroscience behind it. So maybe this is for your friend, too. Here is. I call it an intentional power board. And so if you're looking to find love, let's say you've had the heartbreak or you've left a terrible relationship and you're ready to move on, and you're looking to create this life, you can create an intentional power board, and you can put positive affirmations, images, maybe you like, whatever. If you're like the white picket fence in the house and all of that, or you want to be in Santa Monica or wherever, then you put this on your board. And what it does neurologically is it trains your brain to seek and to capitalize on these opportunities that are bringing you closer to your goal. It's not waving the magic wand, but it's a constant mental reminder. And I do this every year for my personal goals, but certainly in a relationship situation where you're really looking to attract, that maybe it's. I'm gonna commit to fitness, because maybe you're gonna meet your love at the gym, and then you're gonna go on runs together. Run on the beach or whatever it is that you like to do. But you're priming your brain to grasp those opportunities. So an intentional power board is really powerful.

[C]

Okay, Done and done. I'm gonna start mine today.

[B]

I want to see your power board. I do.

[C]

I never did a power board. I do do. And I, I suggest that for everybody. I do a non negotiable list. Like I make a list of things that I absolutely. I, of course I know the things I want in a partner, but I know things that I never want, want to accept in a partner ever again. So that's very easy for me. Like when I meet someone and whatever. Like a heavy drinker. Because I was married to an alcoholic, I'm like, I never want to be around a heavy drinker ever, ever, ever again in my life. So if I meet someone who's ever drink, I'm like, okay, bye. You know what I mean? It makes it very easy for me. But I love the idea of making like an intentional board.

[B]

So it's interesting from an energetic and mindfulness side of what you said is you. We were like, we don't. I don't want a drinker. Right. So instead of putting on your board, I don't want a heavy drinker. Instead we're focusing on. I want someone who focuses on a healthy lifestyle.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, or something like that. Because all of that. Right. That's a frequency. We're being mindful of this energy that we're attracting and bringing into our sphere.

[C]

Totally. So let's say someone was dating the wrong person or was dating my friend. A lot of girls in Beverly Hills and you, you. It didn't click. It didn't work for me. Like when I'm dating someone and it doesn't work because of what you said. Right. I, of course I suck in that energy of, oh, what was I thinking? I didn't have sex with a guy. Big mistake. My reset is I need a long break. I need a long break to regroup, to get my, my energy filled, strong again.

[B]

Right.

[C]

That's why I take long breaks. But I know a lot of people don't do that. Any suggestions how somebody going through a difficult breakup or difficult separation, how do they reorganize their energies again?

[B]

Going back to those practices that we touched on earlier, you know, the journaling, focusing on you, focusing on your mindfulness, focusing on your energy, focusing on just what makes you feel good. It's interesting that you talked about like retracting. Almost like I see you as like a hermit with Your dog. I am and I'm the same, just from a different perspective of energy. Like if I've been around a lot of energy, everybody will tell you that really knows me. I have to have time to decompress. So my quiet time, my Mel time is a non negotiable. And even being a busy mom now and entrepreneur and everything that I do, I still have to make time for that. So I can show up up and be the best version of me.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. I think everybody should carve in me time. Right. Even like you said, if you're a mom, married, kids, family, work, everybody should figure out something that helps you chew and decompress.

[B]

Right. And what fills your cup.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe you're a spa day kind of gal. Yeah, that's great. Or guy love that too. But I think that's really important of just, just fueling your own fire and do what you're passionate about. Pickleball is all the craze. If you love pickleball, go play pickleball. Because guess what? When you're not looking for your partner, that's when you're gonna find them. Stop trying to just force.

[C]

Don't try, try, but don't be desperate. Right?

[B]

Desperate, I think that's the word.

[C]

There's a big difference between wanting a partner and needing a partner. And I think a lot of people notice the desperation.

[B]

Absolutely right.

[C]

And that's not a good look for not cute. Yeah, don't do that now. Last but not least, before I let you go, I love. I could talk to you for five hours. Definitely going to invite you back. So if we meet someone, I know you said at some point we got to let it go, but you meet someone and you kind of like them, or maybe it's a girlfriend that you really like or whoever it is, and they're always like, oh, you know, I'm not making no money. He. He cheated on me. And you feel like they're really negative. Do. Do you believe in your heart somebody really. With negative energy, really negative can actually change? And all of a sudden, person.

[B]

It's not all of a sudden. Yeah, we live in a world of. Yeah. We live in such an Amazon prime era, which I do love my Amazon prime. But we, we want a quick fix for everything.

[C]

Yeah. And so sometimes it takes a long time, right?

[B]

Sometimes it does.

[C]

But how long should we put up with somebody's negative behavior? How many minutes?

[B]

Like, come on. Because like this is someone we're dating and they're negative.

[C]

Well, I wouldn't date someone negative. Period. But even, like, if it's your friend, you know. You know how sometimes you have a girlfriend and she's like, it's Monday. She's like, oh, it's Monday. Or of course, I understand finances are a huge problem for a lot of people, but instead of trying to work more, they're like, oh, my God.

[B]

We're complaining about it instead of doing something.

[C]

Always complaining, complain instead of doing something about it. How long do we put up with it? How many times do we cheer them on until we're like, you know what, dude? Come back in five years.

[B]

Yeah, right. Get your shit together and come back. We'll be friends then. Yeah, yeah, but that's. It's okay to have those boundaries. And you may start to notice when you're doing a lot of this mindfulness and energy work, when you're raising your vibration, those lower frequency people, the doom and gloomers, they're just gonna start to fall off because they're not gonna be able to hang with your good energy. So it may. Your energy just may do the work for you.

[C]

So we send them to you.

[B]

Can you flex them to me? Send them to me.

[C]

If anybody out there has a pal, a friend, a boyfriend, a neighbor, whatever, a sister, a brother, like this little cloud, I almost see that it is a black cloud.

[B]

You're absolutely right, neighbor.

[C]

I understand his wife cheated on him a year and a half ago. Was horrible. He kicked her out. It's horrible. Horrible. But to this day, like you. You know how the weather here in Beverly Hills is pretty freaking fabulous, right? Yes, it's fabulous. And you look at.

[B]

Hi.

[C]

What a gorgeous day. Right? He's like, no, it's too hot. Oh, no, it's. I know, right?

[B]

Like an eeyore.

[C]

Yeah. So I was nice to him for a year and a half. Now I'm like, I cannot deal with you anymore.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I just can't.

[B]

Right. Instead of just the. The energy exchange of the words, you just do a little.

[C]

So you can fix them or you can try.

[B]

They gotta. They have to want it. They have to want it.

[C]

Yeah, they have to want it that you just said it all.

[B]

And the clients that I work with, I give them homework. Energy, alignment, homework. And so again, it's that muscle memory and going back to that. And you have to train yourself. It's not just energy, it's mental. Every thought you have creates a frequency that's communicating with the cells of your body, every emotion you've experienced. And continue. Which they say we experience up to 400 emotions a day. That's a lot of processing for our energy field. Your emotions are simply energy in motion. So I think when you start to flip the script of like, I'm just living, existing to actually having this awareness of truly being and living, you make different conscious choices.

[C]

I love that so, so much. Where can people find you? I'm going to put the link here on this episode, but do you want them to go to your website? Instagram?

[B]

Yeah, I love Instagram. That's where I'm most active. It's just at the Mel Brown, last name spelled B R A U N.

[C]

The link is here, guys.

[B]

Yep. So I love connecting, ask all the questions like you. I can talk about energy and everything forever and ever and we won't have to connect again. This was so much fun. I just loved this and thank you for having me. Such a beautiful studio.

[C]

Oh, thank you. It's. Yeah, it's always a team. We don't do this alone. Beverly Hills content creation. So thank you, guys. Thank you, Dan, for being behind the cameras. We did Tik Tok live for the first time. I'm like, try to grow my Tik Tok because same. I'm huge on Instagram. I haven't done Tik Tok before, but the Tik Tok crowd is so cool because they're so engaged. So I'm having so much fun with you guys. Thank you for participating and thank you for being here. Enjoy your. Your time in. In la.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

It was a huge honor having you here. Thank you for driving all the way and. And hopefully we'll do part two.

[B]

I love it. Until next time. And you're very.

[C]

You're very high energy, by the way. I love you.

[B]

Oh, good. Thank you.

[C]

You have a beautiful smile.

[B]

I worked hard for this energy.

[C]

Nobody's gonna take it away from me. Look at my invisible shoe.

[B]

That's right. Her aura is expanding.

[C]

Thank you, Mel. You're amazing guys. Be safe out there. High energy.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

See you soon.

[B]

Bye.