WINGMAN OF THE YEAR DATING SHOW

Summary

Kat on the Loose — "WINGMAN OF THE YEAR DATING SHOW" (May 1, 2024)

Host: Kat Zammuto
Guest: Hunter Werner (Creator/Host, “Wingman of the Year”)

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Episode Overview

This lively, unscripted episode takes listeners onto the rainy streets of Manhattan with Kat and her guest, Hunter Werner, the creator of “Wingman of the Year”—a fast-growing digital dating show brand. Together, they chat about dating culture, Hunter’s creative process, relationships, modern romance, and the often chaotic world of dating apps, all while exploring the city organically, true to the spirit of both Kat’s and Hunter’s content.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins & Concept of “Wingman of the Year” (06:16–14:42)

• Hunter describes his brand:

  • A digital media company creating dating show content centered around the idea of being a great “wingman”—not just in dating, but in life and friendship.
  • “It was built on the pillars of friendship. [...] Being a wingman means to be a good person, to be a good friend." (Hunter, 14:02)

• Format:

  • Main show is a live, interactive dating event, where contestants are introduced by their own “wingman” (can be friend, family, etc.).
  • Spinoffs include “Hot Date,” a tongue-in-cheek spin on “Hot Ones” where blind dating participants eat scorching chicken wings and answer tough questions.

• Viral Success

  • “Some of his videos on social media are getting millions of views. [...] I saw one of your videos on Instagram, you got like 7 million views!” (Kat, 14:42)
  • Plans to invite Miss New England as a “bachelorette” on a future live show (exclusive tease, 09:00).

2. Dating Culture, Social Media, and the “Choice Overload” Problem (15:16–17:52)

• Hunter's take:
  • Contests attract people mostly in their mid-20s to 30s, many still figuring out what they want out of dating.
  • “Dating is an absolute mess right now.” (Hunter, 15:57)
  • The abundance of dating apps and options leads to “situationships” and less sticking power in relationships.
    • “There's too many options down to that. [...] If you get in a fight with someone, it's just, 'Okay, bye, I’m going to go find somebody else.'” (Hunter, 16:35)
• Kat's perspective:
  • Apps allow encounters that wouldn’t otherwise happen, but create a “culture of people just order each other, like DoorDash.” (Kat, 17:18)

3. Hunter’s Approach: Bonding Through Shared Experience and “Uncomfortable” Dates (17:53–18:45)

• Shows like “Hot Date” put two people in the same uncomfortable situation to create quick camaraderie.
• “Growth happens when you’re uncomfortable. Do you agree?” (Hunter, 17:52)
  • “One million percent.” (Kat, 17:53)
• Kat and sidekick Karen agree that eating messy chicken wings isn’t their ideal first date, highlighting gendered expectations in dating.

4. Exploring Exclusive Relationships and “Situationships” (19:05–21:39, 58:02–61:22)

• Kat grills Hunter about his status:
  • He’s seeing someone exclusively but not "boyfriend/girlfriend" with her—she’s 23, he’s 29.
  • “When you say you’re exclusive, doesn’t that make you boyfriend-girlfriend?” (Kat, 19:24)
  • “No, not in this world, no.” (Hunter, 19:34)
• Explains there’s a bigger “commitment threshold” at the boyfriend/girlfriend level (meeting parents, birthdays, etc.).
• Later, they revisit the definitions: There’s a spectrum between casual dating, situationships, exclusivity, and formal relationships.

5. Geography and Dating: Is It “Easier” in LA or NYC? (22:03–26:11)

• Kat posits that good/bad dating experiences are universal and not city-specific, recalls an analogy: “You don’t go to the market for the rotten peaches, you go for the shiny mangoes.”
• Hunter observes: NYC women, in his experience, are “tougher to impress or obtain”—he says there might be a "geography effect," but it blends with cultural attitudes and options.

6. Men, Women, and Modern Romance: Options, Insecurity, and Marketing Yourself (31:15–35:21)

• Men’s fear of rejection: “Most men are very shy approaching women.” (Kat, 31:15)
  • “It’s part of the game though.” (Hunter, 31:18)
• Hunter’s “10/90 Rule”: “10% of the guys are dating 90% of the women.” (Hunter, 32:19)
  • Kat agrees women want “the top of the top,” leading to heavy competition and disaffected men.
• Dating is marketing: “You need to market yourself. It’s literally just effort. And I think that’s lost nowadays.” (Hunter, 34:59)

7. Practical Dating Tips and Philosophy (38:16–39:56)

• Get off the couch and into real life—meeting people face-to-face is irreplaceable.
• “Another great dating tip is to have no expectations.” (Hunter, 39:11)
  • Kat: “That’s why I never get nervous on dates. I don’t have an expectation, like, ‘oh my God, am I going to fall in love with this guy?’ It’s just a new experience.” (39:54)

8. Winging It—The Kat & Hunter Podcast Philosophy (29:04–30:28)

• Both value in-person, unscripted conversations.
  • “It's more like a reality, like, podcast.” (Hunter, 30:22)
  • “We just wing it.” (Kat, 30:31)
• Kat emphasizes organic, unedited content over studio polish.

9. Applications, Hope, and the Philosophy of Spreading Love (36:19–37:55, 62:23–63:11)

• To participate in the show, apply at wingmanoftheyear.com.
• Hunter’s mission: “I want to be the cupid of my generation. I want to impact the population. I hooked up so many people.” (36:49)
• Kat: Never give up on love. “Pick up the pieces, pull yourself by the bootstraps, [...] you should never give up on love.” (63:00)

10. Exes, Jealousy, and Trust in Modern Relationships (47:12–56:10)

• Kat discusses her friendship with her ex, Adam, who’s pet-sitting for her in LA.
• Hunter’s honest reaction: “If I was dating a girl and her ex pet-sat her dog—absolutely not. Red flag.” (48:45)
• Kat sees the value in post-breakup friendships, but knows it’s unusual.
• They debate trust, boundaries, and transparency:
  • “You got to trust each other.” (Hunter, 54:28)
  • Kat’s “credit card” analogy for trust: “I give you a small credit card, like let’s say with a thousand dollar credit limit, and then I give you more and more as I think that’s deserved.” (55:14)

11. Jealousy: The Spice of Relationships? (56:23–57:19)

• Both agree a little jealousy shows investment and can be healthy.
  • “I think a little bit of jealousy, a little spice.” (Hunter, 57:05)
  • “It means they like you. It means they care.” (Kat, 57:07)

12. Effort and Confidence as Keys to Dating (57:10–57:19)

• Relationships require effort and a dash of jealousy keeps things exciting.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Defining a wingman:

  “Being a wingman means to be a good person. And to be a good friend, more importantly. So being a wingman doesn’t have to be dating. You know, it could be like holding the umbrella or opening the door for you.”
  — Hunter (14:02)

• On dating apps and endless choices:

  “People just order each other, like DoorDash, like food, you know? Pretty much yes, no, yes, no.”
  — Kat (17:18)

• About exclusivity vs. relationships:

  “When you say you’re exclusive, doesn’t that make you boyfriend and girlfriend?”
  — Kat (19:24)
  “No, not in this world, no.”
  — Hunter (19:34)

• On apps and marketing yourself:

  “Dating is marketing. Whether you’re a guy or a girl, you need to market yourself.”
  — Hunter (33:34)

• What men should do:

  “You need to sweep her off her feet. She wants to be won over.”
  — Hunter (35:21)

• Kat’s trust test:

  “You got to treat the person that you just met like a credit card. [...] I give you a small credit card, like let’s say with a thousand dollar credit limit. And then I give you more and more and more as I think that’s deserved.”
  — Kat (55:14)

• On never giving up:

  “Everybody deserves love. [...] When in doubt, get a wingman. Have somebody hype you up.”
  — Hunter (62:23, 62:41)
  “Pick up the pieces, pull yourself by the bootstraps, [...] you should never give up on love.”
  — Kat (63:00)

• Laugh-out-loud moment:

  “I want them to miss me forever and ever and ever. [...] I want them to be like, 'Oh my God, why did I give up Kat? She's the last Coca Cola Zero of the desert with ice under an umbrella.'”
  — Kat (51:00)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Introducing Hunter & Show Concept: 05:33–09:56
• Wingman Format & Miss New England Tease: 09:00–09:24
• Viral Content & Brand Philosophy: 14:42–15:16
• Modern Dating: Challenges & Apps: 15:16–17:52
• “Hot Date” & Parody Premise: 10:22–11:28
• Exclusive Relationships vs. Situationships: 19:05–21:39
• Dating Geography—NYC vs. LA: 22:03–26:11
• Men, Women, and “Choice Overload”: 31:15–35:21
• Trust, Jealousy, and Exes: 47:01–56:10
• Applying for the Show: 36:19–37:55
• Final Reflections—Love & Resilience: 62:00–63:23

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Final Thoughts

The episode brings an infectiously candid, fun take on the awkward thrills of dating in the digital age.
Hunter’s “Wingman of the Year” ethos merges old-school friendship with modern matchmaking, while Kat’s free-spirited hosting unleashes a whirlwind of stories, humor, and realness about love, heartbreak, exclusivity, and hope.

“Be open-minded and just have a conversation. [...] At least you got the experience. You put yourself out there, and they always walk away with at least a little more confidence.”
— Hunter (37:55)

For anyone navigating dating’s choppy waters (or thinking of putting themselves out there again), this episode is relatable, energetic, and deeply human.

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Where to find more:

• Wingman of the Year — for participating/applying
• Kat on the Loose Podcast on YouTube
• Instagram: @wingmanoftheyear, @katontheloose

Video version available on YouTube for an even more immersive, “on the loose” experience!

Transcript

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Visit t mobile.com my guest today, Hunter Werner, created a really fun dating show called Wingman of the Year. And it's so organic. It's so fun. Some of his videos on social media are getting millions of views. You guys gotta check it out. So when he approached me to be on Cat on the Loose, I was like, absolutely, I gotta talk to this guy. Because what he's doing seems so fun and so different. And he started it very naturally. Like he explains it, to drink beer and have fun with his friends. And he's growing a very, very solid fan base. But I figured this was not the episode that we could sit down at a studio and just talk. I needed to be out and about and just do it very organically because that's the style of his work and that's the style of Ken on the loose. So I was in New York for a business trip and he lives in Albany. So he took the train down to Manhattan and we shot the entire episode organically walking around the streets of Manhattan with no planning, zero script. And I didn't edit our conversation at all. So I hope you guys really enjoyed this very fun conversation with the super nice, super talented and extremely good looking Hunter, host of Wingman. Of the year. Yes, girls, he's super good looking. He's taken, but he's very good looking. So major eye candy, you're welcome. And don't forget to go look at the video episode on my YouTube channel, Cat on the Loose podcast and on all my social media platforms if you just want to see little chunks of it because it's really, really, really fun. 100% organic episode on the streets of Manhattan. And today's episode with Hunter on the streets of Manhattan was made possible thanks to a fantastic clinic in New York City called New York City Wellness. The best doctors, one on one specialized care for physical therapy, chiropract, chiropractic services, wellness, highest static services and beyond. They welcomed me, they were my hosts. They put me in a fantastic hotel, they took such amazing care of me. So I was able to do this really, really fun episode with Hunter and the doctors there. I met all of them. They're truly, truly the nicest people, the nicest doctors. They have fantastic locations in New York City. Midtown on 295 Madison Avenue, the phone number is 268-22750. And Downtown on Greenwich street near the Freedom Tower, the phone number is 212-374-0150. Check out their website, nyc-wellness.com and on Instagram, NYC Wellness. So for all your needs from First Care Service, Urgent care, all the way to like Botox if you need Botox for migraines, you know, if you need physical therapy after surgery, the best acupuncturists, anything you need, they take incredible, incredible care of you. So I highly recommend if you're in the New York area, check these guys out. And thank you so much again for having me. Second, huge shout out to a Los Angeles local company that is so supportive of Cat on the Loose. Gold Standard Builders, a design and construction company, licensed general contractor, family owned business. A team of very passionate professionals delivering great service with fantastic quality and the most important, very fair pricing. They pay great attention to every detail to ensure all your projects will meet your expectations. So if you've been thinking about remodeling a kitchen, a bathroom, redoing your backyard for summer, now that summer is coming, or if your house had any damage because of the torrential rains we had in la, these are the guys you can trust. The owner, Adam, could not be nicer. And this is why their clients keep going back to them. Gold standard builders.com and I'm going to give you the phone number 1-800-469-9189. On Instagram also gold standard. Builders go there, check it out, see the beautiful photos of everything they do. They're super, super reliable and incredibly fair on the pricing, which is super important to most of us.

[A]

On this rainy Thursday in Manhattan, we are winging with the wingman. Hi, Hunter.

[B]

I like that. Hey, thanks.

[A]

Welcome to Cut on the Loose. So before we start, we're gonna explore this neighborhood that I've never been in. Chelsea either, by the way. Girls, you're welcome. Because other than being super nice and fun, we're gonna talk about your work, your major. Eye candy.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So I know the girls for me already. I know. So I know the girls are gonna send me 10 million messages like, who is he? Where did you find this guy? What's going on?

[B]

I'm gonna be out of. Out of a job as a wingman if you keep this up.

[A]

So explain to me, because everybody wants to know what you do. What is the wingman? And how did you come up with this idea?

[B]

Yeah, so pretty much I'm the wingman of the year. My company, it's a digital media company. We make a lot of content. It's a lot of dating show content.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And yeah, we also.

[A]

Let me put the umbrella away. Hold on. Because it stopped raining. Thank God. A little bit.

[C]

Right?

[A]

It stopped raining.

[B]

Okay, so.

[A]

Oh, wow, look, Google has a star. Oh, no, it's apple.

[B]

Curiosity killed the cat.

[A]

Because New York is so different from la.

[B]

Definitely is. Yeah. All right, so I host dating shows. I also nominate people for wingman Year.

[A]

When you say you host dating shows, what, what does it mean?

[C]

Explain.

[A]

Explain from the guest. It's from scratch.

[B]

Okay, so Wingman of the year, it's a brand. Think of it as a network and there's multiple dating shows underneath it.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

We have wingman of the Year live, which is our flagship show, okay? And that's literally a live interactive dating show.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

And we got a live audience. And here's the catch. All the contestants on it, okay? They have a wingman. So they. Before the contestants come out, the wingman's pitching them. So it could be your best friend, could be your mom, could be whoever.

[A]

So let's say if you're the contestant, your best friend. Oh, wait, stop. Should we go in here? Cuz we don't have this in la. Look, Starbucks reserve roastery. There's like really interesting places in. In New York.

[B]

There's endless places. That's the thing. What do you think?

[A]

Yeah. Should we get grab a coffee here?

[B]

Yeah. What's Chelsea Market?

[C]

I know.

[A]

Oh, look. I told you I knew. Look, Google Store New York is very interesting in that way. Like, there's a lot of. Other than the traffic that is like, seriously, I. New York has. No offense to you. I don't know how you guys live with the stress of the traffic here.

[C]

Right?

[B]

But I. I thought the LA traffic was worse. From what I've heard. No.

[A]

Let's grab a coffee and continue explaining. If I learn how to open this.

[B]

Door, you need your wingman.

[A]

So it's a contest. So let's say you're the contestant. Your friend would come. Wow, look how pretty. Free sponsorship. Starbucks is not sponsoring this podcast.

[B]

Should we go up there?

[A]

They're getting free marketing for hundreds of thousands of people right now.

[B]

Not that they need it.

[A]

Oh, wow. So pretty. It smells so good in here. Okay, and where do you do this content?

[B]

So the shows, the live shows, they can be anywhere. We usually do them at comedy clubs and. And whatnot. So we've only done a handful so far. We're looking to our next one. Hint, hint, this is an exclusive. We might actually have Miss New England on a show in June. So she's going to be our bachelorette and we're going to try to wing Miss New England.

[A]

Miss Miss New England.

[B]

Miss New England. It's not official yet.

[A]

Is she pretty?

[B]

She's very pretty. That's how she got Miss New England.

[A]

Sometimes the Mrs. Are not that great.

[B]

Careful with the stairs here.

[C]

Oh, wow.

[A]

I like. I want to see that place.

[B]

You want to go up here?

[A]

It's so pretty here. Right?

[B]

I'm starting to really get the concept of cat on the loose. I like that.

[A]

It's literally on the loose. I know. I'm telling you, it's literally on the loose. I'm. I told you. This is what it means to be organic. We don't script and you have no idea what's going on.

[C]

Right.

[B]

It's. You don't know where you're gonna end up.

[A]

And you told me you were game for that.

[B]

Like, I'm just following you around.

[A]

But that's your style as well.

[B]

Yeah, it sure is. It sure is. Yeah. So we can really do the shows anywhere. We do a lot of other shows that are in studio shows as well.

[A]

Oh, so you go to the studio. So tell us about your show in the studio. What do you do in the studio?

[B]

So we got a show called Hot Date. It's kind of like a parody of Hot Ones, but instead of interviewing famous people, me as the wingman as the host. I Put them on a blind date, give them extremely hot chicken wings, burn their mouths off, and have them answer questions they wouldn't want to answer on the first date.

[A]

That doesn't sound like fun.

[B]

We got spice dating up, and I'm quite literally spicing it up.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

You want to go on it.

[A]

If you did, if you did that to me, that would be the end of me. I would die. I cannot.

[B]

It's certainly not for everybody.

[A]

That's the most romantic thing in the world.

[B]

But. No, I think. But like, the thing with my dating shows, though, I actually think they work, though, because these people are both suffering or they're going through an uncomfortable even.

[A]

Karen behind the camera, camera's laughing just.

[B]

Like, it's good stuff.

[A]

It's good content, romantic, like.

[B]

No, I, I think that making them bond, though, is.

[A]

But let me tell you something, girls. When we are dating, we don't want to be suffering. We want to look cute, you know, and have our lipstick or like, you know, and minty breath, you know, you don't. We don't want to be, like, with our mouth. Like.

[B]

These shows, especially the hot, the hot date show. It evens the playing field. You're both going through a similar experience. You're nervous to be on a first date. People are nervous for first dates in general, right?

[A]

I'm different. No, I'm.

[B]

You're built different.

[A]

I'm built different. Very different. I, I actually think it's funny when the guy is very nervous. It turns me off.

[B]

Turns you off?

[A]

Yes. I, I, I only like the guy if he's not nervous.

[B]

Girls like confidence. That's what we're told.

[A]

Growing up, guys like freaking out and too nervous. I'm like, next, next, Next. I don't know.

[B]

Well, maybe hot dat's not for you, but, but we've had some success.

[A]

I want to see the videos. Should we get. Okay. We're not going to get coffee. We just had coffee of the do. I just wanted to see this place. It's really cool, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're welcome. Starbucks.

[B]

Are we going back on the loose?

[A]

Yeah, let's go back to. We're exploring this area in New York that I've never seen. This is pretty cool, right?

[B]

I like it.

[A]

You've never been here either, right, Hunter?

[B]

No. And I, I live in upstate New York, but I never. I've only been to, like, Yankees games.

[A]

Yankees games.

[B]

Door is crazy.

[A]

Starbucks. We serve roastery. That's really cool. Why don't you guys do one of this?

[B]

You do it out here in la?

[A]

Yeah. Why do you only have the.

[B]

You could sit right here if you want it to. Or you want to keep walking, keep moving. She likes that.

[A]

Let's take advantage of the fact that the rain is giving us a break. Right. I always see, I always heard about this neighborhood, Chelsea, but I've never been here. I usually stay in upstate. Upstate?

[B]

You're from upstate? Now watch out for that car to your left.

[A]

I know yesterday I almost got hit a bunch of times walking around New York and Karen's like grabbing Mark because I don't know how to across the camera.

[B]

Person's got the hardest job today. I know, walking and trying to see where she's going.

[A]

I know. I don't know how she's going to do that.

[B]

We're getting the full experience and I.

[A]

Know I had no idea that Google had stores. So that's interesting. So how did you come up with this idea to do this wingman situation?

[B]

Oh, man, that is a long story. That's usually the go to question.

[A]

Can you give us the short version?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So I started making content four years ago. I really just wanted to make a brand. Pretty much just knew I wanted to be a content creator. I wanted to start a company where I could hang out with my friends and drink beer. Sounds very immature. But anyway, it's working. And the main pillar of Wingman of the year is to be a wingman. And being a wingman means to be a good person.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And to be a good friend, more importantly. So being a wingman doesn't have to be dating. You know, it could be like holding the umbrella or opening the door for you. You know what I mean? So stuff like that. But it was built on the pillars of friendship. And my friend in high school, I hooked him up with a girl, 11th grade at a party, the cop got or the cops busted a party. He hooked up with a girl in a field after they ran out the back. Monday in school, he calls me the Wingman of the year. Years later, I start the company. And now every year we announce the Wingman of the Year and now we're doing these dating shows. So it's evolved over four years, really growing.

[A]

And some of your videos, I saw one of your videos on Instagram. You got like 7 million views.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

I do a lot of went viral.

[B]

Hint, hint. This is another exclusive. We'll announce it in two to three weeks. That guy in that video is going to unanimously be the Wingman of the year.

[A]

I mean, he deserves that honor.

[B]

He's awesome. So I actually did that show Hot Date with him. So I just did a one on one with him because he was saying how he liked chicken wings when I asked him if he was a wingman and I got him his chicken wings. I don't know if he liked them though. But it was funny.

[A]

I love that. Now let me ask you, you guys are young. You're very young. You and your friends. Do you, you think these dudes that you're, you know, on this dating shows, are they actually interested in being in relationships or at this age, in your early 30s, are you just interested in. And please try to be as honest as you can, if you can.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you just interested in meeting cute girls and, you know, at this point in your lives just having fun?

[B]

My contestants are mate.

[A]

Your contestants.

[B]

So they're all different ages, but yes. They're usually like in the mid-20s range.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Pushing 30 and whatnot. I think some of them are. I think some of them still have to figure out their dating goals. But dating is an absolute mess right now.

[A]

Oh, yeah, everybody. It's a show.

[B]

I was guesting on another podcast the other day. They dropped a fact on me. It's getting close to 50 of like, I think the American population.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is single. It's like 46% right now.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

And it used to be like 20% way back when, before social media. So it's. There's no better time to be a wingman than now. So people, you know, they need help. Dating's awful right now.

[A]

It is.

[B]

And the problem is probably social media. There's too many options.

[A]

Dating apps.

[B]

Yeah, there's too many options. And, you know, if you get in a fight with somebody, you get an argument with, like the person you're dating. This is why they're situationships.

[A]

Yeah. They're like, okay, bye, I'm going to.

[B]

Go find somebody else. This guy, he's been in my DMs, or like, hey, this girl, treat me better. And it, it's on everybody. So it's a huge problem and nobody sticks it out anymore. Yeah.

[A]

That is super true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think I always say that on the podcast. I think dating apps, of course, the good side is it gives you like an opportunity to meet people that you would never cross paths with otherwise. But also it created this, this culture.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That people just order each other, like doordash, like food, you know, pretty much. Yes, no, yes, no. Yes, no. And you see mature men just like, you know, acting like there's too Many options.

[B]

Yeah, there's too many options down to that.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

It's an absolute problem. But that's why I think some of my dating shows help with that. It takes them outside their comfort zone. Like I was saying back at Starbucks there, that bond of like, hey, we're going through this same situation. We're a little bit. Because I think growth happens when you're uncomfortable. Do you agree?

[A]

One million percent.

[B]

Okay. So I think my show does that. And you're like, whoa, we have this common bond. And like, it is almost romantic, but maybe not the chicken wing part. We have other dating shows.

[A]

The chicken wing is not romantic at all.

[B]

I would not want to do that.

[A]

Like, if I was crushing on a guy, I would not want to eat chicken wings in front of that guy.

[B]

Well, that's, that's how I get the people on the show. I give them free beer, chicken wings and some sponsored merch.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Gotta get them on somehow.

[A]

Would you want to eat chicken wings in front of a guy you were had a crush on, Karen?

[C]

Hell no.

[A]

Hell no. See, you don't want to have stuff like dirty teeth in front of a guy. No, no.

[B]

It'S working. Like I said, there's other shows. The live show I do that's more like the prom. Like that's where everybody gets dressed up, everybody gets a walkout song.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like, it's like an adult prom. It's like everybody gets to be the star that night.

[A]

How about you? Let's talk about your dating life for a minute because I know my DM is going to like be bing, bing.

[B]

Bing, bing, bing, bing.

[A]

I know all my girlfriends in LA and girls all over the world, they're going to be like, how are you dating? Are you in a situationship?

[C]

Are you available?

[B]

Oh, is that the question?

[A]

Yeah, that's the question.

[B]

So I'm dating someone right now pretty exclusively. I don't. You know, it's tough to put what a word on a situationship is. We're definitely not boyfriend and girlfriend. Probably pretty close though.

[A]

Exclusive. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't that make you a boyfriend?

[B]

She's younger than me. I don't get girls nowadays, especially the younger ones.

[A]

But doesn't that make you. If you said you're exclusive, doesn't that make you boyfriend girlfriend?

[B]

No, not in this world, no.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. You don't know that.

[A]

What makes you boyfriend girlfriend?

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. You have to say it. So when you say the boyfriend girlfriend thing, there's exclusive than boyfriend and Girlfriend. There's. There's a lot more responsibilities. So people could be like, hey, we're just, you know, screwing each other or whatever. When you do that boyfriend girlfriend thing, it's like, hey, you got to meet my parents. You got to get me a birthday present. And I think people are scared of that commitment because there's so many options out there.

[A]

Oh, my God, that's a new one on me. So what does the exclusive part entail? I'm exclusive, but I don't have to do what? Meet your parents.

[B]

It's different for everybody.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, so why don't you. You don't want to be her boyfriend or. Who decides?

[B]

I wouldn't say it's on me. I think I'm a little older and a little more mature.

[A]

When you say she's younger, what does that mean? Like, how much younger?

[B]

How old do you think she is based off what I'm saying? Saying, let's play a game.

[A]

18.

[B]

No. My God, no. That's like. That should be illegal. Under 21 should be illegal. No, she's 23.

[A]

Okay. That's not too young.

[B]

I'm 29 for reference, people.

[A]

Okay, okay, that's. Okay, that's. And she's how old?

[B]

23.

[A]

Okay. That's not bad. You're 29. She's 23. I think that's right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's good.

[B]

I think it works.

[A]

Yeah, I think it works. I don't know.

[B]

Some people might find it creepy. I don't. I don't think it is.

[A]

I know she's. She's over 21, graduated college.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I don't see anything wrong with that. Have you met her parents?

[B]

I have. I met her mom.

[A]

Oh. Does her mom like you?

[B]

She loves me.

[A]

Oh, there you go.

[B]

Every mom I've ever met.

[A]

You're a boyfriend. Okay. I think you're a boyfriend.

[B]

You want to tell her that? I think you want to call her live on the podcast.

[A]

Yes, let's call her.

[C]

What's her name?

[B]

I think she's working right now.

[A]

She's gonna watch. What does she do?

[B]

She's a teacher. Elementary school teacher.

[A]

Wow. She's very wholesome. What's her name?

[B]

Sydney.

[A]

Sydney, if you're watching this podcast, you have a boyfriend.

[B]

You have a boyfriend. That's funny. Your wingman informant for all the girls in la. And her.

[A]

Okay. And Kat on the loose audience. He's taken. At least for now.

[C]

He's taken. Taken.

[A]

So don't. Don't even send me dms, cuz. I cannot help you.

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

Do you have any single available friends?

[B]

I do. I don't know if I'd recommend all of them. No, Especially to your LA audience. I don't know if they're their cup of tea, the upstate New Yorkers.

[A]

So let's talk about that for a minute. I. I hear this all the time. Let's see if we have the same opinion. Oh, I like that we change color course, because this is a little more peaceful. New York is a very noisy city, guys. I mean, obviously I'm an LA girl and I love New York, but New York is a very, very noisy city. I don't know how people live here all the time.

[B]

Over here is quiet, though.

[A]

It's exactly. This is very peaceful. Looks like a. Look. Looks like the street that Carrie from Sex and the City lived in. One of, right? Like one of these little brown. Like, maybe it was one of them little stairs. Like her apartment had, like, little stairwell, a stairway like this.

[B]

I like it. I never watched Sex in the City, but.

[A]

Are you serious?

[B]

You think I would?

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah, you should. It's an icon. You have a dating show.

[C]

You need to.

[B]

You're right.

[A]

I think I watched every episode 10 billion times.

[B]

All right. I need to get more cultured.

[A]

Yeah, because. No, because it's a part of your job. But anyways, this is what I wanted to. You tell. I hear it from girls all the time. Like, for example, LA girls, the single girls, they say, oh, it's so hard dating in la. Then New York girls such as Karen, she's like, oh, it's so. I wish everybody could see her face behind the camera. She's so cute. Then New York girls that are single, they're like, oh, it's so hard dating New York. And then Miami girls. And everybody complains about the geography if they don't find the right person.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I personally think dating has nothing to do with geography because I think there are good people and bad people anywhere, you know? And I. I interviewed this really, really, really successful dating coach from Europe. This woman kicks ass. She's phenomenal. And she used this analogy that I absolutely loved. I never, never going to forget that for the rest of my life. She said, like, when you go to a market to buy food, you don't. You don't go to the market. And you're like, oh, let me try to find the rotten peaches. Where are the rotten fruit?

[B]

Okay, that's a good analogy.

[A]

Yeah, you go and you're like, oh, I want to find the shiny mangoes, the shiny bananas. And it's the same thing with dating. You don't try to find, like, the shitty people, but all these girls complain and they think it's, like, regarding the place where they live. So my question to you is, you do dating shows in New York?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you think geography has something to do when it comes to dating? Like, for example, do you think. Do you see the guys in New York are, like, more as players? Do you think that plays a part when it comes to dating? Or you don't see that at all?

[B]

I can only speak on my experience, and I will always speak from only my experience for my dating life. I have seen New York girls, maybe not New York City in particular, are actually, like, harder to, like, impress or obtain. So, like, when I was in the Navy and whatnot, and I was out in New Hampshire and like, Boston and whatnot, way easier. I don't know if the guys are shorter in Boston and that's why I was doing better. But I. I think there might be a little bit to the geography and really, I don't know. I don't have studies on it, but there's something to it. I think New York girls are tough.

[A]

New York girls are tough. New York girls are tough.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's very.

[B]

I mean, like, it goes back to the thing. There's so many freaking options. Have you ever been to a restaurant where there's too many options on the menu?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're like, I don't know what to get. It all looks good, you know, but these girls are. Had all these bad dating experiences, and they're like, this all looks bad. I don't want to. Yeah, I'm scared to try it. So this is where you need a wingman, you need referrals, stuff like that, Right.

[C]

I love.

[B]

If they can get through your friends, they're probably good for you, right?

[A]

To do, like, maybe to filter all the options.

[C]

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[A]

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[C]

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[A]

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[B]

Yeah, it makes sense.

[A]

I'll be your wing girl and you'll be my winger. Maybe you should start. You have the wingman. Maybe you should start the wing girl.

[B]

Well, we actually have the Instagram parked for Wing woman of the Year.

[C]

Huh.

[B]

So I've already thought ahead of that. But as we're growing, I think you'll. You'll see the. The wing woman eventually. Someday hosting some dating shows.

[A]

Let me know. I want to participate.

[B]

Let's go. We won't get you on hot date though. With the chicken wings.

[A]

No. Please, can you come up with something that makes us look really cute on camera?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Like we could eat strawberries and chocolate.

[B]

I got. I got a ton of ideas. We'll make something happen.

[A]

I think we turned the wrong way. Cuz we're trying to go to like this really pretty art gallery that I want to show you, but I think we turned the wrong way.

[B]

You know exactly where it is? I have no idea.

[A]

I think Karen knows. We're winging it.

[B]

We're winging it.

[A]

And by the way, you're doing a great job winging it with me.

[B]

That's what I do.

[A]

I love it. You're my type of guest. When I.

[B]

People watching at home are getting the full cat on the loose experience.

[A]

They're getting the full cat on the experience. Because this is what I. When I. When you said you wanted to do my podcast and we talked about doing it via Zoom. Right. Because I'm in LA and you were here and I knew I was gonna come to New York, I immediately thought we have to do this together because that's the style of your work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's the style of my work and it's so much more fun.

[B]

No. Yeah. You know, I'm a firm believer in like, everything happens for a reason. When you had to reschedule. And it was like, oh, you were coming to New York the next week. I'm like, this works like this was supposed to happen the way it was supposed to happen.

[A]

Totally. And I always. I mean, zoom, for me is the last resort, because I think there's nothing like the real interaction.

[B]

Yeah, you miss a lot of those, like, human, like, social media cues and body language. They say that's 90% of communicating, so.

[A]

Yeah, no, totally. And, you know, honestly, podcasting right now is a. Obviously, it's a huge fever. There is over four and a half, I think, million active podcasts in the world. I am very proudly on the top 0.5% on global ranking. But I have to say, no disrespect, of course, to any podcast in the world, but I like taking it out of the studio because I like doing something more personal and I like showing more, like, the experience of my guests, you know?

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

Like your personality. I don't want to just. People hear your voice, like, now if they. Oh, who is this Hunter guy? Yeah, why is this handsome? Look how tall he is.

[B]

It's like more like a reality, like, podcast. I don't know if that's a thing, but.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it is a thing.

[B]

It's a thing. Now, that's what you mean by organic when you say it's an organic car.

[A]

And we don't add it and we don't script. We have no idea the house going to happen. We just wing it.

[B]

We're winging it. We got a golden retriever up here.

[A]

And we got it.

[B]

Oh, we got to get that on there.

[A]

So cute.

[B]

You're so happy.

[A]

It's so precious, baby. I miss mine.

[B]

I think he smiled at you.

[A]

I miss my. Of course I'm a dog, Mom. I have two babies.

[B]

There you go. Tomorrow, dogs are some of the best wingman.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Any guys listening at home get a dog? That. That should help.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I have two. And it's so true. Like, when I'm walking my babies, guys. Like, when I'm walking alone, it's funny. That's a good question for you. Like, guys, I have this theory that most men are very shy approaching women.

[B]

Oh, yeah. They're scared of rejection, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's part of the game, though.

[A]

So shy. So shy approaching women. Oh, look, what a cute diner. That's so cute.

[B]

That is awesome.

[A]

Like, in Beverly Hills, they will look at you. Like, we go. We get all dressed up and stuff, go to happy hour. They will look at you and flirt with you the whole night. But they don't come and talk to you. They will like wink, wink, you know, like teenagers. But they don't come ever. Like if I walk alone on the street, never ever, ever a guy will come and talk to me. But if I'm walking my dogs, yep. There is always a guy that comes and say something to me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, because they're not embarrassed, you know, oh, what a cute dog.

[B]

No, it makes it. I think this goes back to the option thing. And then these guys, the girls are maybe a little bit more picky and now the guys are scared to approach the girls. And I have this theory. I don't think it's a theory. It might be a fact. I might be off a percentage or 2. 10% of the guys are dating 90% of the women.

[A]

10% of the guys are Dating 90.

[B]

Think about it, think about it. Girls want the top of the top, right? Girls have to pick.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Guys don't choose the girls usually. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But that 10% of the guys, the top echelon of guys is dating 90 of the girls. And then other guys, this is why you get incels and whatnot, are mad at women because they're not getting any.

[A]

You think that much, huh? You think them that much?

[B]

Maybe it's 2080, but I don't think about it. What do girls usually complain about? Guys like being like players or whatever, right? Yeah, they're like a player or they're like awful to date.

[A]

There you go. Player or a loser.

[B]

Right. So that 20% is probably the player because it's usually the women that have the options because they have to choose.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You don't see a lot of guys with options and if they do, they're doing something right.

[A]

That's a very good point. And what do guys complain about? That the women are users. Like that the women want something from them.

[B]

Right. But I think I've actively been saying this. I, I think men are the problem in dating. But, but it's because they're scared of rejection. I think dating is marketing. Whether you're a guy or a girl, you need to market yourself.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[B]

So like we're swiping on these dating apps, right? How the hell are you supposed to stand out to somebody? Like, so if a girl gets like 2000 people dudes is swiped right on her, how the hell is she going to pick you? How do you stand out? The apps probably aren't the best way to do it. For example, my dating shows I'm giving open minded people A reason to talk to each other.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

And then if they're open minded, they'll be like, okay. They'll kind of see through the looks. I try to match them up with like off their looks a little bit. Like how they might work. And if they're open minded, they had that common bond. Boom.

[A]

I like that. And you know what? Most people, especially guys, they're horrible when it comes to setting up their dating profile. They don't know how to put like a nice photo of themselves. They actually, it could be the nicest guy in the world. But when you see their profile, it looks so shitty. So usually the girls don't even want to.

[B]

That's why it's marketing. Let's say you got a business, you got a podcast. You need to market it, right? Are we going there that way?

[A]

Karen is like incredible. She's filming us walking backwards and telling us where to go.

[B]

Talk about a wingman, right? Yeah, she's. I forgot. What were we talking about? What were we talking about?

[A]

The dating apps.

[B]

The dating apps.

[A]

The dating apps that most guys, that's another thing you could help.

[B]

Oh, we're talking about marketing.

[A]

They don't know how to, how to market themselves.

[B]

Well, that's the thing. Like you'd market a business, right? You market a podcast. You have to do the same thing in dating. You can't just expect the girls to like you. Effort. It's literally just effort. And I think that's lost nowadays. And guys have to do the effort. You can't expect the girl. Like, sure, the girl could be like, hey, you're cute or whatever, but you need to. You need to sweep her off her feet. She wants to be won over.

[A]

Say that again. You need to sweep her off her feet.

[B]

Yeah, you need to win her over, sweep her off her feet. That's what they want. That's how you make your girl fall in love with you. Make her feel. I appreciate you.

[A]

Dating coach for men.

[B]

I'm gonna start with dating show hosts.

[A]

So how do people these dudes? Oh, look, he's gonna poop right there. I feel so bad. Look, I don't want to be me.

[B]

Dog on the loose.

[A]

Best place for dogs. There is no grass for them to poop. I couldn't imagine it's tough for dogs.

[B]

Yeah, it's really tough.

[A]

Right? There is no park. Oh, little angel. Obviously everybody noticed that. I'm like from la, but it's a tough place. So if somebody watching us like, okay, I want to participate on this dating shows. How do they apply or how do they find it?

[B]

Yeah, go to wingmanofthear.com or you can just search Wingman of the year. Yeah, there's an application page on there to just say dating on the tab on there. It's in all our social links, like on our link tree and whatnot. Search Wingman of the Year on any platform. We should pop up and apply if you want to be on one. We're trying to travel more and do these shows in other areas, maybe la, maybe New York. So yeah, we're trying to expand and I'm going to try to wingman for as many people as I possibly can. I quite literally wanna on my tombstone when I go six feet under. I wanted to say obviously Wingman of the year, but I wanted to say cupid. I want to be the cupid of my generation. I want to impact the population. I hooked up so many people.

[A]

I love that because I'm all about spreading love. So I love that you're saying that because I see so many people and that's one thing that is really important to me doing this podcast. So many people, especially women, they go through so many horrible experiences.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're like, oh, I can't do this anymore. I gave up.

[B]

A lot of people are quitting, guys. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God. It's getting like super cold.

[B]

And a bundle up. The applicants I get are. They're struggling, you know, they're not finding the right person. They want to give up and they've lost hope. So.

[A]

And the girls are like, I'm never going to date again. I gave up on love. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't let the bad guys, the bad people make you give up on love. Right. You gotta keep going.

[B]

And that's why this wingman thing works because they're just open minded. Be open minded and just have a conversation. And I tell them all because I make everybody feel comfortable. That's the first thing I do before they come on the show. Make sure they're ready for it. I tell them, you can say no at the end. There's no pressure, you know, at least got the experience. You put yourself out there and they always walk away with at least a little more confidence.

[A]

Absolutely. And like you said, it's all, all about. You have to put yourself out there. And that's another thing. I think when Covid hit a lot of us, we got used to sitting on our ass on the couch and scrolling endlessly, endlessly through dating apps.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So nowadays I'm like, guys, get out of your ass. Get out of your couch and put yourself out there again. So even if you do. Yeah. Make an effort. Go out in real life.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Because there is nothing like we are. We are doing it today. There is nothing like meeting people, interacting with people. Have a coffee, go to a bookshop, try a new hobby, you know, whatever. Walk around the news neighborhood in your city, because you never know who you're gonna meet. You know, there is nothing, nothing like meeting people in real life. And I think the dating apps are never going to be the. Never going to give you the same.

[B]

And another great dating tip is to have no expectations. So I know a lot of guys are like, they go out to the bars like, oh, I'm. I'm going to get laid tonight, and then they're pissed at the world, and then they're assholes because they didn't. So no expectations. Best advice you could have. And especially for women, too.

[A]

You know that You. You said, you know why that's good. You mentioned that. You know why I never get nervous on dates? This is why I don't have an expectation, like, oh, my God, am I gonna fall in love with this guy? This is how I approach a first date.

[B]

Well, that's where a lot of people get let down. They heard. They're like, all right, I have this bar to hit, and if you're not right at it, you could be close. But it's like, nah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So people are giving up very soon.

[A]

I approach a first date like, you know what if I'm not a match? Maybe we're gonna be best friends. Maybe you're gonna be a business contact for me. Maybe my friend is gonna like you. So that's why I never get nervous. So this is a good tip. If you go on a first date, more like, you know what? This is a new experience in my life. As opposed to, like, freaking out out about how you're gonna feel about that person. It totally changes the way. Oh, sorry. She's.

[C]

Are we go.

[A]

Oh, we're going that way? I don't.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

No idea where we are. What's the name of this part of New York? I've never been here. Do you know where we are?

[B]

I'm just following the camera person.

[A]

Is this Chelsea?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

I think so. It says Chelsea over there.

[C]

There.

[A]

Is it caring?

[B]

Should we cross here? Well, hold on. Let's not get killed after this green truck.

[A]

Yeah, but that's a good idea. Like, I want to go put too much Pressure. Oh my God. Let's not get murdered. No, serious. I almost got hit a bunch of times yesterday.

[B]

Like, were you recording a podcast while walking?

[A]

We were literally talking and walking and working at the same time.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

The drivers here are very aggressive.

[B]

Gotta want it. You got to put that effort in on the road too.

[A]

I would not ever attempt to drive here ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. I don't know where we're going, but I know we're going someplace.

[B]

How? I don't know, Say hot?

[A]

How many? Huh?

[B]

Would you say somewhere hot?

[A]

No, somewhere cute. I think there's like a really pretty art gallery or a museum or something that I wanted to show you. Might need to use your phone, you know? Huh. I might need to use your phone. Okay, we're gonna take a break and we'll be right back. This is Cat on the Loose. Literally on the loose with super handsome, fabulous wingman hunter.

[B]

Wingman of the year.

[A]

Yeah, we'll be right back.

[C]

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[A]

Now we are the Flatiron district. Look how pretty, right? And we're gonna go inside Italy and talk a little more.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

So we're gonna do a little cut and we'll see you guys in there. So we moved inside Little Italy. How do you love it?

[B]

I. I love it a lot. This is.

[A]

And you had a drink, which I love.

[B]

Yes. I might need another one here soon.

[A]

Okay, we're getting loose with it. You're welcome to have as many as you want.

[B]

Appreciate you.

[A]

Because apparently the more you drink, the more you want to talk.

[B]

That seems be to be a trend.

[A]

That seems to be a trend. We were talking off camera. So there's two subjects that I want to talk about before we wrap this up because this was a very interesting conversation. The first one is, and I want your opinion. I was, I was showing you a video of my dog Phoenix that stayed behind in la and I mentioned to you that my ex boyfriend Adam is not only pet sitting Phoenix, he's staying at my place place pet sitting Phoenix, taking Phoenix to the part room. And you were like, wow, this is really civilized.

[B]

Yeah, that's definitely progressive. I, I got asked, is there still something there? I'm turning this interview around.

[A]

Yeah. So no, but this is what I'm talking about cuz I want your opinion. Yeah, we met and we dated. Na na na na na. He did. He was the one that broke up with me in a very civilized manner because we really liked each other but we had nothing in common. We were like day and night, very different lifestyles. We couldn't really connect for many different reasons. I was very hurt the way he broke up with me because it was just before my birthday and I was just going through a lot of different things in my life. So I think that was very hurtful. But let's talk about the positive side. Don't you think it's nice if two people break up if they can transform it into a really nice friendship and stay and, and, and stay connected in different ways?

[B]

I think you definitely got to set those boundaries though. I think that might be different.

[A]

Like what boundaries?

[B]

Like, I feel like some people, you know, like, let's say I started dating a girl and she was friends with her ex. I probably wouldn't like that she pets. Like if, like if I was dating a girl and her ex pet sat, you know, her dog. Absolutely not. Red flag, red flag. Why if I, if I was dating, right?

[A]

I don't know because like, honestly, especially.

[B]

The timeline, you were like, oh, two months ago. Like I'd be like, oh yeah.

[A]

He literally broke up with me a few days after, after Valentine's Day. Like the Valentine's flowers were still on my table and my birthday was coming up. So I was very hurt about that because I, I thought he should have waited until after my birthday so it.

[B]

Would have been all right if he waited.

[A]

I think it would have been classier.

[B]

Well he, I think he split the middle is what he did. I think he thought about this. He's like, there's Valentine's Day. Then here's her birthday. Let's get her through Valentine's Day. And like.

[A]

Yeah, like. Yeah, but if a guy wanted to date me, I'm not gonna give up my friendship with him. So it's funny you said that because I would say, you know, he's a big important part of my life.

[B]

Let's step back. This is still fresh. Obviously you're not willing to give it up.

[A]

No. But like, honestly, are you ready to date right now? Oh, very ready. I want a relationship.

[B]

And he would be okay. This guy would be okay?

[A]

Yes, because he's said to me he knows I deserve a partner. I mean, he put me back in the dating pole. We were talking about that in the cab here, remember? I think Karen said something about that and you said something about that. Like if somebody gives you up, like if somebody says you talk about situationships.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like you said, oh, there's a lot of people out there and if you have a fight, bye. I'm going to go find somebody else. My opinion is if somebody breaks up with you, they're basically saying, bye, go out there and go date somebody else. They're giving somebody else the chance to find you.

[B]

That doesn't mean they want. They. Yeah. It would still probably hurt them, Right. If he hooked up with another girl, would it hurt you?

[A]

Yes. I don't want any of my exes to be happy with somebody else.

[B]

There you go. See, you're a little possessed.

[A]

I want them to miss me forever and ever and ever.

[B]

We. That's how we all are.

[A]

I want them to be like, oh my God, why did I give up? Catches the most fabulous. She's the last Coca Cola zero of the desert with ice under an umbrella.

[B]

That's a hell of an analogy, that. Have you been using that one or did you just.

[A]

I used it before in the past, but I haven't used it in a long time. I don't think I ever used it on kind. On the loose.

[B]

We get loose with it. We're getting loose with it today. No.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. True. I'm. I haven't drank, but that's the truth. I don't want any of my exes. I don't want to see them. I'm being very honest here, guys.

[B]

With you guys, vulnerability is good. So why is that? You just got possessive. I get it.

[A]

So I don't know if it's possessive. Yeah. Karen, do you want to see your exes with somebody else? Karen's behind. Do you?

[B]

I do.

[A]

She's like, I do. Do You. I don't.

[B]

It depends.

[A]

It depends on the ex.

[C]

I'm not.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I had one ax. I was like, I genuinely. I think she dealt with a lot of depression. And I was like, I really don't think I can make her happy. And it would make me happy just to see her happy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I was at peace with it. But then there's some like, yeah, hell, no.

[A]

Well, first of all, I have to say I don't have a lot of access, so let's put that on record. I have very few.

[B]

Record.

[A]

I have very few. And the. The few ones that I have. Yeah. No, I want them to really miss me forever.

[B]

But let's. Let's say you start dating a guy now. Let's say you just started dating a guy. Yeah, but the timeline's weird. Let's say you were dating a guy for like a month and a half. Yeah, I know that kind of runs into your timeline of the breakup there, but. And then you're like, hey, I'm going to New York for a couple days. Here we are. And then you like, oh, yeah, I got a dog. Sit. Would you tell that guy that you're dating that you got a dog sitter or it's your ex?

[A]

I would tell. I don't lie well.

[B]

Okay. Lying and not telling somebody, I don't do.

[A]

Yeah, I'm very black and white. I mean, first of all, that's the funny thing about dating me.

[C]

Right.

[A]

My entire life is on the podcast, so that's one thing that the guys say to me. They're like, oh, my God, I know so much about you because the whole life. So, yeah, like, if they're gonna date me, it's a very. I'm very black and white. I'm an open book. So I don't, like.

[B]

Let's say I'm. I'm. That this imaginary guy that you're dating. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're. You're telling me you're going to New York, and I'm like, what are you gonna do about your dog? How do you. How are you far?

[A]

Like, yeah, so I have a wonderful friend. He's an incredible man, and he's kind enough to pet Sit Phoenix because he knows. Knows I can only work if I have peace of mind, if Phoenix is doing well.

[B]

Okay, so. So you. He's a friend. You said he is, but you didn't say he was next.

[A]

But if he asked. But. But if the person asked.

[B]

Right, right. So you're not lying. Exactly.

[A]

I'm not lying. I don't lie. I don't lie. I never, never, never lie. I do not lie. That's one thing about me, I don't like lies. I think lies are like cockroaches. Like there's one, there's like 10 billion.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

I think that's a bad idea.

[B]

So would you be if the guy got upset if you found out it was your ex?

[A]

It's probably not the guy for me. I need a secure, strong man. You know how we were talking about loyalty? Karen actually asked you off camera like cuz you, you said you're being exclusive with your girlfriend and she asked you, but how do you know you're being exclusive with each other? And said it's all trust.

[B]

You gotta trust.

[A]

So yeah, it's all about you need to trust each other.

[B]

So if this happened, vice versa. If the guy had his ex of a month and a half ago dog.

[A]

Sitting, I have to trust the like. Okay.

[B]

Do you have trust as a month and a half in.

[A]

I have to. If I feel like I think this is what I do with people. Okay. And I. This trick is really great for everybody. Try it. I think the only way to trust someone, you got to treat the person that you just met like a credit card. Like I give you credit, right? I give you a little bit of credit. You don't give somebody like an unlimited credit card right away. So I give you like a small credit card like let's say with a thousand dollar credit limit.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then I give you more and more and more as I think that's.

[B]

A good way to look at it.

[A]

It's a really good way to look at.

[C]

Look at.

[B]

It's the only way you should trademark that. I don't know how you would do.

[A]

That exactly, but I think it's the only way to develop a relationship or.

[B]

Just trust or something.

[A]

Yeah, but you have to because if you start from the get go like I don't trust you. Oh, it's an ex girlfriend, you're gonna her. It already starts from a negative perspective. I like to start things from the positive perspective.

[B]

So you're saying those thoughts wouldn't be there?

[A]

No, not with me. Because I want to start every relationship from a positive perspective. So I'm like, okay, I'm giving you a small positive credit card. Go for it. So if you ruin the credit. Okay. I'm not going to give you more credit. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, I like that. I like that.

[A]

That's how I at least that's how I go about my Relationships. And most people blow the credit like. Like real life.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Unfortunately, most people, and it's just human nature, they turn out to be untrustworthy. Right. In the. In the game of life and any relationship for that matter.

[B]

So. So we were talking a little off camera. Let's same subject here, change a little bit. Do you like a little bit of jealousy? A little bit of crazy?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think jealousy a little bit not crazy, but. But jealousy is a part of life. Caring about someone and. And it spices up the.

[B]

Cuz I like seeing it from a girl cuz it shows she cares. I don't want, like, you to like, stake in my house.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

No, that's.

[A]

That's crossing.

[B]

But I want someone to be like. Like, I like it when the girl's like, who is she?

[C]

Like, yeah.

[B]

I'm like, okay.

[A]

Like, all right. Yeah.

[B]

You don't want anyone else having me. Like, I like that.

[A]

Who is this cat on the lose girl.

[B]

Exactly. That's what we want. That's what we want.

[A]

Yeah. Let me look at her Instagram.

[B]

I think a little bit of jealousy, a little spice.

[A]

It means they like you. It means they care.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And you know, that's all it comes down to in a relationship is we talked about effort earlier in the earlier segments of this effort and you know, a little bit of jealousy.

[A]

I totally agree with this. The spice of the relationship. And so before I let you go, we were also talking off camera. I got to elaborate on this a little bit. I know you don't want.

[B]

K was like, I need another one.

[A]

He needs another drink. Waiter.

[B]

Oh, we're good.

[A]

You said in the beginning of the podcast, you are on this cuz this is something new. We never talked about this on T on the Loose. Okay, maybe it's something new and I want to learn, but you said that. Do you really want another drink?

[B]

No, no, I'm good.

[A]

Okay, you're good. You said you got. You're dating this girl. She's pretty. But I have to say, on record, you guys are up to par with each other. She's not here and you're here.

[B]

That's how it should be.

[A]

Yeah. You're super handsome. And you guys, if you're doing the audio episode, Wingman, if you're doing the audio episode, please, pretty please go to YouTube, both our YouTube channels, Wingman of the Year and Kandalus podcast, and go, go to our Instagrams and look at his face. He's super handsome.

[C]

He.

[A]

He needs to move to Hollywood and.

[B]

Be on tv.

[A]

I'm gonna take it home. I'm gonna be your agent.

[B]

I needed this.

[A]

Your girlfriend is not gonna like me. She's be like, oh, she's gonna take my boyfriend away to Albany. What's her name? Sydney. Huh. Well, okay, you're his girlfriend. So this is what we're gonna talk about. You said you guys are exclusive, but she doesn't want to call you boyfriend and girlfriend. So I said there is situationship. To me in my mind, if. So if two people call each other exclusive, I mean, your boyfriend, girlfriend territory. And now you're telling me, apparently there is a whole other level in between because she's saying you guys are exclusive, but she doesn't want you guys to. To call each other boyfriend girlfriend.

[B]

I think we're getting very close to it. There's a lot of steps we're taking, but it's been dating for a long time. But yeah, there is a. There's this weird level.

[A]

And what do we call that level?

[B]

That's the situationship level.

[A]

No, because situationships are not exclusive.

[B]

I think they are. Yeah, no, they can be. They can be. There's levels to a situation.

[A]

Exactly. But I'm telling most situationships, people are dating other people. They don't know where they stand. I'm telling you.

[B]

Well, I think a lot of what comes into this is judgment from the outside. So this is where the option thing comes in and other people's opinions getting in there. And everybody's relationship's different, but I think it's.

[A]

But did you ever ask her, why don't you want me to call you my girlfriend?

[B]

I think we've had the conversation. I might have had a. I might had a couple drinks, but we're putting.

[A]

Her on the spot.

[B]

Hey, I'm not on a spot.

[A]

And what's her answer?

[B]

I don't think we got to talk in a little bit because like I said, we took a break for a little bit and we got back together.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I was like. When we had the talk, I was like, hey, it's still fresh. Like, let's take a couple more steps. But there's a lot of layers to it.

[A]

There's a lot of love.

[B]

Everybody's got something different. Mine sounds kind of difficult, probably to people listening at home, but yeah, you know, I mean, I think we're both happy. We make each other happy. And I think we were talking, maybe this was off camera, but we were talking about, like, falling in love and stuff like that. They don't call it fall in love. They call It. Falling in love, I think it's a longer process. Like, oh, you could be, like, head over heels over somebody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it takes time to develop. Like, oh, I really care about this person. I need to, like, I'm in love with this person. And, you know, I. I've gotten to know her to a point where I know what she needs in a relationship is patience. So I try to stand by her and give her that patience. I know I'm. You make me sound good over here, but I think that's what she needs for a successful relationship. And I respect. Respect that, and I don't want to make her feel uncomfortable at the end of the day.

[A]

That's so sweet. You're like, you win boyfriend of the year award.

[B]

Boyfriend of the year, man. I gotta have that. And wingman of the year. That's.

[A]

We gotta start a new award for you.

[B]

We should.

[A]

And you're super fun. I'm so glad we did this in person. I think this was an amazing episode. Very organic. And you got to see a little bit more of Manhattan, right?

[B]

Yeah, I. I've only really come down for Yankees games and whatnot. And I only live in Albany and upstate New York.

[A]

See, you gotta go down to Manhattan.

[B]

A little quick train ride. I gotta travel more.

[A]

Yeah, you gotta travel more. And this is, like, Manhattan is really fun. It's really exciting, and I hope you do come down. You have an open invitation to come do an episode in la.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

And then we can do it organically.

[B]

I'll be there soon, please.

[A]

And then we'll do one organically on the streets of Hollywood, Beverly Hills. And then we can compare the dating styles of LA and Beverly Hills in Manhattan. And if you want to bring your girlfriend, we make a lot of jokes, but she's more than welcome, because at the end of the day, it's all about everybody finding love.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I'm a sucker for love.

[B]

I'll say this. Everybody deserves love. A lot of people don't think that they do, but they absolutely deserve love. And they shouldn't quit. They just need to relearn, learn, and rewire their brain. And you know what? When in doubt, get a wingman. Have somebody hype you up.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And confidence is.

[A]

And I always say that on the podcast, like, even if you had 10 million bad dates, even if you got your heart broken. I've got my heart broken so many times. Even if somebody treated you like, Pick up the pieces, pull yourself by the bootstraps, like my mom used to say, and Go out there again because you should never give up on love.

[B]

Right?

[A]

It doesn't matter how hard it is. Everybody deserves to find someone. Everybody deserves love. Keep going. Check out the website Wingman if you want to participate on.

[B]

Yeah, wingmanofthe.com go to our dating tab. There's an application there. A bunch of testimonials for people that have had success on the show. You can check out our old episodes. Definitely subscribe on YouTube. Just search Wingman the year.

[A]

Yeah, I'm gonna put all your. Your all the links are on this podcast audio episode. And guys, please go check out the YouTube because you are really fun and you're really easy to look at and I'm so glad we did this in person.

[B]

Yes, I'm happy with.

[A]

Thank you so much, Hunter. This was a really fun episode. Cat on the loose. Always organic. This is what I mean. We take it out of the studios.

[B]

Organic as hell.

[A]

To the streets, people where real life happens. Thank you, Karen. You're the best wing girl, videographer, tour guide. You are awesome. And we're live from Manhattan. See you guys very soon. Many kisses. Thank you, Hunter. This was awesome.

[C]

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