Podcast Title: Kat on the Loose
Episode: Zen Arts CEO Doug Miller
Host: Kat Zammuto
Release Date: December 18, 2024
Introduction
In this episode of Kat on the Loose, host Kat Zammuto welcomes Doug Miller, the founder and CEO of Zen Arts. The conversation delves into their unique platonic friendship, the dynamics of male-female friendships, challenges in the modern dating scene, and insights into Doug's illustrious career in luxury entertainment.
The Friendship Between Kat and Doug
Kat and Doug share a close, platonic relationship that serves as a testament to the possibility of deep male-female friendships without romantic entanglements.
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Doug Miller [03:13]: "We are neighbors, we live the same area, our dogs are friends. We never dated; we never had anything romantic whatsoever."
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Kat Zammuto [04:04]: "We are a perfect example of how men and women can be great friends from the get-go."
Their relationship challenges the common misconception that men and women cannot maintain purely platonic friendships without underlying romantic or flirtatious dynamics.
The Myth of Male-Female Friendships
Kat and Doug discuss the societal skepticism around platonic friendships between men and women, emphasizing their own experience as proof that such relationships can thrive.
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Doug Miller [04:23]: "You came up to me and you're like, you're so fabulous."
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Kat Zammuto [04:27]: "I didn't come up to you. Oh, okay. I almost said his name."
They humorously recount their initial interactions, clarifying misunderstandings about their intentions and reinforcing the strength of their friendship.
Doug’s Background and Zen Arts
Doug provides an overview of his journey as an artist and the evolution of Zen Arts into a leading luxury entertainment company.
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Doug Miller [12:14]: "I was always an artist and I started playing music professionally when I was 10 years old."
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Kat Zammuto [13:19]: "Zen Arts has been around since 2008, creating multimillion-dollar parties, weddings, and luxury events."
Zen Arts specializes in creating bespoke, high-end entertainment experiences for a diverse clientele, ranging from private events to large-scale productions in venues like Las Vegas and the Canary Islands.
Challenges of Dating in Los Angeles
The discussion shifts to the complexities of the Los Angeles dating scene, highlighting the isolation and hectic schedules that make finding meaningful connections difficult.
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Doug Miller [11:16]: "Dating in Los Angeles is not an easy thing. And it wasn't easy when I was 25, it's not easy now."
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Kat Zammuto [22:00]: "What do you think is the most chaotic or the most difficult part in terms of, you know, being single and trying to date again?"
Doug emphasizes the challenges of meeting potential partners amidst a busy lifestyle dominated by work and high-profile events.
Experiences with Dating Apps
Kat and Doug delve into the frustrations and pitfalls of modern dating apps, discussing issues like superficial connections, financial expectations, and the prevalence of individuals seeking sugar relationships.
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Doug Miller [24:05]: "Men's top complaint is that so many women hit them up for money right away."
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Kat Zammuto [23:15]: "I think if you're putting 22 or something, very unlikely you're gonna meet a good match in terms of being in a relationship with."
They critique the efficacy of popular dating apps, citing experiences where interactions often lead to transactional relationships rather than genuine connections.
Thoughts on Matchmakers
The conversation explores the role and effectiveness of professional matchmakers, with both sharing skepticism about their success rates and methodologies.
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Doug Miller [35:42]: "I hope none of my friends who've paid this kind of money have found success."
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Kat Zammuto [38:14]: "Most matchmakers tell women not to have sex until you're in a committed relationship. I think it's emotional blackmail."
Kat expresses dissatisfaction with the rigid rules imposed by matchmakers, questioning the balance between fostering meaningful relationships and imposing unrealistic constraints.
Advice on Dating with Intention
Kat and Doug offer practical advice for listeners navigating the dating landscape, emphasizing the importance of intentionality, authenticity, and setting personal boundaries.
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Doug Miller [43:42]: "I think I'm just scared of having to swipe on photos on my phone to consider someone."
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Kat Zammuto [44:07]: "I always say, do you want to do a video date? Because if the person tells you no, they just want to take them to dinner or something. They don't want to do a video date or talk on the phone with you."
They advocate for fostering genuine connections through video interactions before meeting in person, reducing the likelihood of catfishing and ensuring mutual interest.
Closing Remarks
Kat wraps up the episode by highlighting Zen Arts' impressive portfolio, including extravagant weddings and themed events. Doug shares anecdotes about the creative demands and flexibility required to meet diverse client expectations, underscoring the company's reputation for delivering unforgettable experiences.
- Doug Miller [48:45]: "We did a ten million dollar wedding in Florida for an Indian wedding. That was pretty lavish."
Kat encourages listeners to connect with Doug and explore Zen Arts' offerings, emphasizing the blend of artistry and luxury that defines the company's events.
Notable Quotes
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Doug Miller [19:48]: "Being a man and who has their shit together... there's a lot of stuff you have to filter through as a man in LA."
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Kat Zammuto [41:10]: "No, I'm never gonna go anywhere without, like, doing a video call and stuff."
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Doug Miller [43:42]: "If you're not, the algorithm's gonna send you everything. The wrong type of thing, and you're gonna get caught up in all this bullshit that's out there."
Conclusion
This episode of Kat on the Loose offers insightful perspectives on maintaining platonic friendships amidst societal expectations, navigating the tumultuous waters of modern dating, and building a successful career in luxury entertainment. Doug Miller's candid experiences and thoughtful advice provide valuable takeaways for listeners seeking meaningful relationships and professional fulfillment.
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