What Is It Like Working With ME??

Summary

Podcast Summary: Katching Up With Katie – "What Is It Like Working With ME??"

Podcast: Katching Up With Katie
Host: Katie Van Slyke
Episode: What Is It Like Working With ME??
Date: June 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is a candid, engaging "catch-up" with Katie and her close circle, breaking from their usual feature-guest format to let listeners in on the real-life behind the scenes at Running Springs. The conversation ranges from farm updates, hair crises, and brand discussions, to creative plans for the YouTube channel, music, and personal five-year goals. The core theme is authenticity—what it’s genuinely like to work with Katie and evolve alongside her team.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New Podcast Room and Dungeons & Dragons Lair

• The crew talks about their evolving podcast setup, sharing how their new room, initially not designed for podcasts, is now a dual-purpose space.
• “We are nerds, and we like Dungeons and Dragons. And so this is going to be our Dungeons and Dragons lair.”—Katie (01:12)
• The room is still unfinished, leading to comical riffs about decor and function.

2. Subscriber Stories and Apron Ad Antics

• Katie recounts the chaos of launching store aprons with a late-night, last-minute ad at a horse show.
• Notable moment: Matt models the apron for promotional content, leading to inside jokes and playful teasing about what content ends up on subscriber-only pages and Reddit.
• “Anyone that tells me to get a bob is praying on my downfall.”—Katie (10:35)

3. Group Hair Crises

• A lighthearted, honest dive into recent hair transformations (and disasters) across the team, including bleach mishaps, bonding over silver hair ambitions, and purple shampoo accidents.
• On the perils of bleaching: “When you bleach, you can't just get to, like, white immediately without just killing your hair.”—Katie (07:46)
• Open debate on whether Katie should go blonde, do balayage, or embrace a wolf cut—threaded with jokes about middle-age reinventions.

4. Anniversary Reflections

• The team reminisces about wedding anniversaries, forgetting dates, and how time has flown since the inception of the YouTube channel.
• “So three and a half years, we have been doing the YouTube channel... that’s still a baby channel, in my opinion.”—Katie (20:29)

5. The Future of the KVS Channel

• The team brainstorms potential future directions, including:
  • Live Podcast Tour: "Live show in person, I think would be awesome.” (21:19)
  • Experience Content: Ideas range from food challenges (which Katie rebuffs) to big YouTuber-style stunts and travel, escape rooms, and skydiving.
  • Second Channel (“Experience Explored”): Leveraging group experiences and more experiential, off-property content.
  • Katie’s resistance to discomfort: “My distaste for being uncomfortable is immense.” (25:16)
• Discussion of audience testing: “If 100 people in the comments say they would do it, it’s at least worth consideration.”—Matt (27:11)

6. Five-Year Goals — Heartfelt & Ambitious

Each member shares personal and professional aspirations, mixing humor and ambition:

• Nate: Wants to make a few movies (horror or drama), and get good enough at golf to try qualifying for the US Open.
  • “I'm gonna try to get to scratch golf and make a couple movies in the next five years.” (31:32)
• Matt: Interested in buying land/farm, investing, making movies, and exploring a metal music career.
  • “I have this strong desire to pursue a career in metal music, but I know that I don't have the... desire to stick it out.” (33:13)
• Katie: Building a sustainable business/farm facility, incorporating boarding, therapy services, and horse breeding, plus a mini-farm. Also dreams of releasing an EP and performing live.
  • “I want to sing. I want to have an EP at some point.” (41:02)
  • The team discusses forming a band: guitar, cajon, fiddle, and piano all in the mix.

7. Highlights and Lowlights of Working Together

Worst Moments:

• Technical Disasters: Twice having to re-record a full podcast episode due to record-button or hardware failures (48:03):
  • “Both times that my best friend Danny was a guest, we shot the entire podcast, like, an hour’s worth... the record button wasn’t hit.” (48:22)
• Major Editing Snafus: Audio chaos at a major horse show due to mishandled mics and out-of-order footage; hours spent untangling tracks (60:02).
  • “I listened to the entire horse show in 30-minute blocks for about 48 hours... I would just listen to it and say, well, that’s not Katie.” —Matt

Best Moments:

• Foaling Season Fun: Despite the stress, the camaraderie and late-night D&D sessions during foaling season stand out.
• Personal Touches: A surprise birthday cake for Nate and moments feeling special—“You got me a cake on your big day. I think that was the most special I felt...” —Nate (55:36)
• Growth & Progress: Recognizing how much the YouTube channel and team have evolved in just a few years.

8. Boundaries in Content Creation

• The team discusses the ethics of filming sensitive farm moments, like animal health emergencies, emphasizing their refusal to exploit tragedies for clicks.
  • “The YouTube channel is not about exploiting tragedies. It’s just... that’s not what this channel’s about.” —Katie (57:58)

9. Wild Ideas: Horse Show Movie & Animal Communicator

• Musing on turning a real horse show into a scripted movie, casting themselves as fictional characters.
  • “Instead of it being like a vlog, we should turn it into like a...script and a storyline.” —Katie (64:28)
• Discussing the idea of consulting a reputed animal communicator to resolve mysterious health or behavioral issues with horses—a surprisingly serious topic after initial skepticism (66:46).

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Notable Quotes

• “Anyone that tells me to get a bob is praying on my downfall.” —Katie (10:35)
• “My distaste for being uncomfortable is immense. Is exactly what you said.” —Matt (25:16, relaying Katie)
• “If 100 people in the comments say that they would do it, it's at least worth consideration.” —Matt (27:11)
• “I want to sing. I want to have an EP at some point.” —Katie (41:02)
• “Both times that my best friend Danny was a guest, we shot the entire podcast, like, an hour’s worth, and the record button wasn’t hit.” —Katie (48:22)
• “Even if it doesn't work, or sucks ... I don't want to be a talker. I want to do.” —Nate (35:45)
• “The YouTube channel is not about exploiting tragedies. It's just... that's not what this channel's about.” —Katie (57:58)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00-02:00: Podcast room transformation and D&D lair plans
• 02:45-04:18: Stories behind product launches and apron promo fun
• 05:00-09:00: Hair journeys and group crisis chat
• 20:26-22:29: Channel growth and dreams for live shows/events
• 28:38-41:55: Five-year goals—filmmaking, farming, music, and more
• 47:45-51:53: Best and worst moments working as a team (technical failures, behind-the-scenes stories)
• 57:58-59:41: Handling tough farm moments and boundaries in filming
• 64:28-65:12: Horse show movie brainstorming
• 66:46-70:00: Animal communicator stories and skeptical curiosity

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Tone & Style

True to the Katching Up With Katie brand, the conversation is lively, relatable, laced with humor, and deliberately unvarnished. The dynamic is friendly and intimate, revealing the deep bonds and playful teasing that define the team—while also showing respect for the hard work and growth behind the scenes.

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For Listeners

This episode gives fans and newcomers alike a heartfelt, unfiltered look at life behind the farm and the burgeoning media brand. For anyone curious about what it’s like to be part of Katie’s circle—from the laughs to the hands-on challenges—this episode is a rich and authentic dive in.

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Want to shape the future of the show? Katie invites your feedback on future content ideas and your thoughts on live events or podcasts!

Transcript

[A]

Welcome back to Catching it with Katie. And you'll notice it's a little different looking. And it's only. How many years in the making of kind of looking like a podcast room? At least two.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Three. I don't know.

[C]

I was like, is that two?

[B]

I'm still working on the intro.

[A]

So we have this room that was never meant to actually be a podcast room that we were like, film in there. And so we put the two chairs and, like a desk, and it's not very big. And so then I bought this table to be a kitchen table for my house.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I came up with the idea.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That a round table should be in here. Should be in here.

[C]

And it would happen. We got it.

[A]

Nate has been telling me to do a roundtable for a long time.

[B]

We probably have it in podcasts.

[A]

Probably. Talking about a roundtable, it's gonna be a dual purpose area because, you know, we're nerds and we've talked about it a lot. Stop.

[B]

There's the preface.

[A]

We are nerds, and we like Dungeons and Dragons. And so this is going to be our Dungeons and Dragons lair.

[C]

This is our new layer.

[A]

This is the layer. So it's like a bare room right now. It has nothing on the walls. There's no shelving. But we're gonna work on that. So today we're. It's like an actual catch up. I feel like the last few weeks we've always had somebody as like a guest, and we've been chatting with them about very specific topics. And then today is just. It's just a little catch up. It's just back to. Back to the roots.

[C]

Back to the roots.

[A]

Back to the roots. And. And I do have a little list because I put a prompt on Facebook. Facebook is kind of where it gets the most. I'm not gonna lie. That's the social platform that gets the most pictures and. And status posts. And so I put a little prompt asking what some of you would like.

[B]

Yeah, I subscribed to the wrong one. I subscribed to the Instagram one.

[A]

Let me tell you, subscribers get the same things. Subscribers.

[B]

I only did it to get my DMS read. It's really only. And that didn't even work.

[C]

So do you still get the automated. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

They were so ruthless when I. We started using an automated.

[B]

Actually, I think I just got it just so I could see subscriber content automated. And then I never unsubscribed, so.

[A]

No, you just subscribed to my email list.

[B]

Then, no, I subscribed to you. No, I wanted to see the apron ad. Yeah, that was.

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

Worth every Penn. So.

[A]

Yeah, so what was so funny about that was Abra the night that we made the apron ad. So we have aprons in my store. Can we put a little pop up of Matt wearing my apron? I have a picture. We have aprons in the store. And we were launching them to subscribers first because that's what we do when we have limited quantity. And it was late at night at the horse show, like, we were just. We're like, crap.

[B]

We had a few.

[A]

No, that's not true. And we still had to do the apron ad. And I was like, matt, put this apron on. And then Aubra was so mad at me. She was so mad. She's like, you couldn't just put it on?

[C]

And I haven't seen this.

[A]

It sold well. You just seen it. Hold on.

[C]

I haven't seen you in the apron.

[A]

Hold, please.

[C]

I'm not a subscriber.

[A]

Well, I think it made it around to the Reddit pages.

[B]

I'm about not to see the title of this video is Matt unsubscribe subscribes.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[C]

Oh, that's great.

[A]

With the cowboy hat on.

[C]

Look at that pic of you.

[B]

I know. Send that to you.

[A]

You want that?

[B]

Well, so I can put in the video.

[C]

You seem like there's a little glint of Hap. Little cheer in the eyes.

[A]

Oh, he was ready. He was, like, twirling. Yeah, he was. He was doing it.

[B]

It was a rare occasion. I was overly optimistic.

[A]

One evening, he wasn't being surly and. And emo. And speaking of that trip, because it leads into something I want to talk about. We dyed your hair and you showed up with dyed hair.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Are we all in, like, a hair crisis?

[B]

Well, it was conditional. Like, we had talked about it for a long time, and then it was like, well, if I do it, you do it. And he did it. So I did it.

[A]

So, like, he just showed up to Kentucky looking like that. And we were all just like. Because he had hair down here. Yeah, it was very different.

[C]

I cut it, dyed it, same appointment.

[A]

Did you show up? No. You showed up at the house looking like James Potter.

[C]

That's right. Yeah.

[A]

And then you went and did something else.

[C]

Yeah, I went James Potter. And then, you know, I wore that a few days and I got more James Potter. And then I thought, that's a little too much James Potter.

[A]

The glasses don't help.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Circular.

[C]

And I didn't want to put myself into a box. So I just made another appointment.

[A]

And you put some. Like you did a little blonde.

[C]

Yeah, I went blonde. Got a lot more texture.

[A]

What's the. What's the morning routine like nowadays with that hair? Do you have to work for that hair or is that just.

[C]

I don't really have to do much at all.

[A]

That's just how it is.

[C]

I just put, like, a little something in it, and it just.

[A]

Yeah, just.

[B]

So have my styling stuff here. As a matter of fact, I need to get.

[C]

Also trying not to look at it.

[A]

The amount of stuff that he leaves at my home.

[B]

I know the real bowling season.

[A]

He also had a hair crisis. And he's wanted. I don't even think you're at your full form yet. You're not at your full form yet because you wanted, like, silver hair.

[B]

Yeah. And it received a warm welcome from everybody that I was worried about hating it. My wife, my church, and my dad.

[C]

In no particular order.

[B]

In no particular order. And they all loved it. And. But yeah, certainly Rachel did it in Kentucky. And Rachel. That is a notable thing. Rachel did do this in Kentucky and she had had experience as a hairdresser, retired for who knows how long. So I don't know. There was. There was certainly risk involved because, you know, being a 10 hairdresser for 10 years, she could have been a bad hairdresser for 10 years.

[C]

10 years could have been.

[B]

So certainly a lot of risk and trust on my part. But she came through. And everybody who I know who's a hairdresser, which is two people, said that it was really, really, really good and done really well. But I think it's just not.

[A]

It's not what you.

[B]

I wanted silver. I wanted, like. I wanted, like, you know, the, like, Dr. Matthew Silver Fox kind of vibes.

[A]

Okay. So, like gray.

[B]

No, I just wanted to throw his name.

[C]

Name out there.

[B]

I really want silver. Like, silver.

[C]

And, you know, I will almost white like Targaryen.

[B]

Silver, if that helps you visualize. Like Targaryen.

[C]

I did get reprimanded. It's not the right word, but slightly. When I was talking to Rachel and I was, you know, questioning her a little bit on if this was going to get silver.

[B]

It didn't.

[C]

And she said, have you been doing hair for 10 years? And I said, no, I'll be quiet. But then it's not silver.

[B]

No.

[A]

So it's worth to note you started with dark brown hair.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And when you bleach stuff.

[C]

Well, he dyed it darker.

[A]

You had. That's the thing, too. You had dye in it. No. You had virgin hair.

[B]

I had virgin.

[C]

Yeah. He hadn't. Yeah, but he. Y' all dyed it first.

[B]

The roots.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Because he wanted contrast, right?

[C]

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

[A]

So.

[B]

And I do want contrast.

[A]

It's worth to note that when you bleach, you can't just get to, like, white immediately without just killing your hair.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, you have to work at that.

[B]

But I'm still disappointed.

[C]

You would have made the sacrifice.

[B]

That doesn't make me any less sad. No, but I don't, like, hate it. Like, I don't. I'm still, like, torn. Like, I don't even know if I'll even go.

[C]

Yeah, I think it look.

[B]

I think blonde looks cool. It looks great blonde. But, yeah, I do have toner. It is blonde for sure.

[C]

But I know what your heart wants. Yeah. And it's silver.

[B]

I have the toner. I just don't know what the process is, but somebody.

[A]

Do you have purple shampoo?

[B]

Rachel said not to use that now, Grant, maybe she said, too.

[A]

No, she probably said to use that.

[C]

No.

[B]

So I did put it in my hair. Purple shampoo, Maddie said.

[C]

I'm pretty sure she said no purple.

[B]

She's on vacation. I still would call her, but there's a ladybug on that light notable. She. Maddie told me to put purple hair. Put purple shampoo in my hair dry. And so I did that. She said to leave it in for, like, 10 or 15 minutes, and I fell asleep on the couch for, like, an hour, and I washed it out, and it was, like. It really was super, super light, but it faded after that. Like, it got blonde again. So I don't know what the answer is other than going to the hairy salon and saying, I want more.

[C]

Yeah. Chat. Help. Help us out on the hair and

[A]

also help me out on the hair,

[B]

because hair is perfect.

[A]

No, it's not.

[B]

She's like. She literally has, like. Elven.

[A]

Yeah, I did. We went to our anniversary dinner last night, and so you would have loved my hair last night. It was Elven.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You want to see?

[B]

Where'd you go?

[C]

Where'd you go?

[A]

We went to Ruth's, Chris.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

In Nashville. And it was very good. I didn't throw up because we went to a work dinner on Friday.

[B]

That's the standard for a good night out.

[A]

We went to. We went to work dinner on Friday, and, like, all for nothing because I got so car sick on the way home that I threw up all over our driveway.

[B]

That's notable.

[A]

But we had a great dinner last night. Anyway, I was, like, sweaty outside doing everything that I was like, oh, I have to get ready for this anniversary dinner. And so I came in and, like, dry shampooed the crap out of my hair and. And then I did that. It's kind of elevated.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Little curl at the bottom.

[A]

Yeah, well, it was supposed to be curled throughout.

[B]

It says braided. Wow.

[C]

The little curl at the bottom looks nice.

[A]

That's the problem. That is the problem is that my hair is so, like, it's underneath the table.

[B]

Too much.

[A]

It's too much. It's too thick. It's too.

[B]

How many likes does this video have to get to bob it? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[A]

A half a million. Like, oh, I'm so sorry. I will not bob it.

[B]

For somebody that could pull off anything like yourself. I feel like that's okay. Crazy.

[A]

Anyone that tells me to get a bob is praying on my downfall. I'm just gonna say that, like, I think bob.

[B]

They're back, dude.

[A]

Anybody that. Because I love a good bob on someone that can do it. I am not a bob person. Person. I had my hair up to here.

[B]

What's like your. What's like your one? If you could just have it for a day and then, like, put it back and like, to know, oh,

[A]

I really like a shaggy. Like. Like, I would do, like, a mullet.

[C]

Like, you.

[B]

Like, something that, like, you would have,

[C]

like, a wolf cut.

[A]

Yeah, like, super wolf cut. Yeah, I would do that, but I

[B]

want my hair back the next day.

[A]

But I mean, kind of like that. I haven't cut my hair in 14 months. It's all, like, just one length.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I do really want to go get a ton of layers. Chop it. Because, like, I think last May, I chopped it to here. So I mean, that's like, all this year's growth.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I want to go chop it and do something color wise. What?

[C]

You're going to go blonde?

[B]

Like, weave it in the kitty thing or whatever and make it, like, a whole thing.

[A]

My hair in it.

[C]

You take, like, the last. The last six inches of her tail is, like, yours woven in.

[B]

Yeah, because she has showing for Kennedy. Yeah. Like, doesn't she have, like, a tail thing?

[A]

Yeah, a fake tail. What are you talking about?

[B]

We could put the last inches of

[C]

your hair six inches off and then weave it into her tail or, like, in her. Weave it in her.

[B]

Now y' all are, like, truly.

[C]

And now you become one. That's like your unification ceremony.

[B]

And then she, like, starts Winning. Then she starts winning everything. We're not avatars, dude. Once you start like being able to

[C]

hear her thoughts, it's like she starts winning everything. And she's getting ready. She's like, where's my hair?

[B]

What's that show called? What's that zebra movie called?

[A]

Racing Stripes.

[B]

Yeah. Is that what it is with the flies secretary?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

She can't hear his thoughts, dude.

[B]

I know, but that just made me think of that movie. Anyway, moving forward.

[A]

Okay, anyway, I want, I want to know because I want to color it and I've been told when I have my hair super dark and with bangs, I look a little like Ella Langley. I've been told I look a little like Ella Langley when I have my bangs and when it's really dark. You know how most supplements are built for everyone, which basically means built for no one? Biologica is different. It's a drinkable daily multivitamin designed specifically for women with clinically studied ingredients formulated at the exact research backed doses, not sprinkle amounts, clean ingredients, no added sugar, and something you'll actually look forward to taking. What I love about the brand is that they recognize women's health changes across life. So they make three primary essentials for your reproductive years, Midlife essentials for perimenopause and post menopause essentials for life after menopause. One drink built for exactly where you are. Visit Biologica to get started and find your formula today. Not sure which one is right for you? Make sure to take Biologica's quick hormonal life stage quiz to find the formula right for you. And right now you can save up to 32% per month when you subscribe. The link is in my description. And now back to the video.

[B]

You do, you do look good in

[A]

bangs, I think, I think the bangs will come back, but I need, I need some color. Like, do I go. I've been blonde before, I think.

[C]

Do you go blonde?

[A]

Do I go blonde?

[B]

I think blonde would be great.

[A]

Do I do a balayage? Do I do highlights?

[B]

Or do we do Covid and like pink and blue? Like covet era. Like everybody's getting crazy and I didn't.

[C]

You didn't have to go outside. My wife, did you?

[B]

Could everyone had a little pink in her hair?

[C]

Yeah. If any hair you wanted.

[A]

Did you like it?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, all four.

[B]

I'd put some pink in my hair if I had like your wolf cut. Mine would be like pink, like completely, like, like a. Whatever green though you could do that. Yeah, but then I wouldn't, like, same thing. I'm just saying, like, my one. That I would have for one day and put it back.

[A]

I just feel like I hit 30 and I'm like, I need something.

[B]

Something. I need a tattoo. You need a tattoo?

[A]

No.

[B]

Something, something. Maybe.

[A]

No, Me and Jonathan, we're, like, on, like, a no tattoo.

[C]

Like, I know y' all talk about it.

[A]

We've. We've talked about it in the past,

[B]

but it hasn't been revisited.

[A]

Like, we were like, yeah, we're just not going to do tattoos.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I think you would look good blonde.

[C]

I could do blonde.

[A]

It's been a minute. So, like, yesterday was my anniversary, so a lot of the pictures were popping up from my wedding, and I dyed my hair darker for our, like, big wedding. Because during co, we had to get married twice. So for my, like, elopement, my balayage was, like, grown out. And B, did that spark something? Balayage.

[C]

That is.

[A]

It's, like, where they diet, but not all the way to the root. So that was a way for me to be lazy and, like, have my hair spell that balayage. B, A, L, A, Y, A, G,

[B]

E. Not even close.

[C]

B, A, L, A, Y, A, G, E. Babylonia. It's a freehand hair painting.

[A]

So, like, this picture from my, like, first wedding. Look at my hair.

[C]

Oh, like that. Like, do that.

[B]

Yeah, do that.

[C]

Do that.

[B]

You look great. I think it would be a breath of fresh air.

[A]

My hair.

[C]

But imagine we all were blonde.

[B]

But what? Like, you have hair to kill. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Imagine.

[B]

What's the worst case scenario? You lose a third of it.

[A]

It just absolutely. That was. With it being kind of like. Yeah, that was kind of. It'd been months.

[C]

I'll go more blonde.

[B]

I would. Dude, if you like. I would. I would be such a hype if I walked in and you were like that. Dude, I would. I would. I would embarrass you. How much? I would compliment you.

[A]

I.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

I gotta get it. I gotta get an appointment because I can't let Rachel. Because me and Rachel work too closely together. And so if she burnt my hair off.

[B]

Right, that would be.

[C]

Yeah, that would.

[A]

It would not be good. I'm not saying she would burn my hair off. I'm just saying the risk is there.

[C]

But you're saying she's been out of it a while.

[A]

No, I don't. I've had friends that were active hairdressers that I'm like, you can't do My hair. I'm sorry, It.

[C]

Yeah,

[A]

Especially when cutting it, too. So I think. I think I need ideas. They say to do that. Let me know what y' all think. I. I accidentally did exactly what you just said. Where I left this blue, like, mask on that was supposed to take all the brassiness out because that's the thing. Like, having blonde hair is just so much more high maintenance. And so I left this mask on way too long, and I had blue hair.

[C]

Oh, no, that's for a bit. I'm. I'm down. I'm down for some colored hair.

[B]

Yeah, colored hair. Dude, I'm 32. I'm getting to like.

[A]

No, you're not.

[B]

I am too.

[A]

No, you are.

[B]

I'll be 29.

[A]

You'll be. He's 28.

[B]

I'll be 29 in October. I feel like I'm 44.

[A]

Nate's well into his 30s.

[C]

Wow. I'm really glad you turned 29 before I turned 32.

[B]

It's really crazy.

[A]

He doesn't, though.

[B]

It's really crazy. It's like that. I'm like, the youngest.

[A]

Your birthday is in like a week and a half.

[C]

Oh, no, it's not a month. Yeah, but it's coming up.

[A]

He. No, he's gonna still be 28 and you're gonna be 32.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You're the oldest of the group.

[C]

I thought we were in a different month.

[B]

I think we should do it live. We should color your hair live. You should. Wow.

[A]

Should I just hire a hairdresser?

[C]

Bring him here.

[A]

Bring him here. Hire, like, a blonde specialist.

[B]

A blonde specialist and say, fix us.

[A]

And then all three.

[C]

We can all three do it.

[B]

Let's get a vat of bleach and stick our heads in.

[C]

We can bring three specialists and we can all do it at the same time.

[A]

That's an expensive day.

[C]

You can. You can start extra early because you have more hair.

[A]

That's the thing. I don't know that y' all know how long it would take. I know with just doing my, like, usually I go get an all over color and I just go a little darker. And then I get my hair cut and I do like an olaplex treatment. That's five hours right there. That's no blonde.

[B]

Maybe we'll just do it before and after everything.

[A]

Everything that's in it right now is just kind of like highlights.

[C]

We'll just take a before and after pick.

[B]

Yeah. And just hang out the whole time.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. So, yeah, we. We had our anniversary dinner six years. How long have y' all been married? Jesus.

[B]

21.

[C]

Four.

[B]

Five.

[C]

Four.

[B]

Coming on five. The next one will be.

[C]

Our next one will be five.

[B]

Next one will be five.

[A]

You both got married in 20?

[C]

21, is that right? 21.

[B]

I got married in 21.

[C]

I got married in 22. But it's already passed by 21.

[B]

It had to been.

[C]

Yeah, I think it was 22.

[B]

I got married 21.

[C]

23. 24, 25. And we've had ours this year.

[B]

Wait, yeah, my next one will be my fifth for sure.

[C]

Yeah, our fourth was this year.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And it's already passed.

[A]

Gotcha.

[C]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Yeah, Wait, no.

[A]

Four, five, six.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Did y' all do anything for your anniversary? Are you. Are you going to do anything for your anniversary? We forgot.

[C]

I think we forgot.

[A]

We forgot and already passed, like, on Friday.

[B]

Mine was, like, two weeks ago or last month.

[A]

We were like, did. Did we. I think it's this weekend. And so we just tried to get in somewhere for dinner.

[C]

We were the same way. We're like, anniversary is tomorrow.

[A]

Whoa.

[C]

Snuck up.

[A]

Okay. Well, we've just, like, jibber jabbered. Uh, we actually have some. Some things people want to know. Um, so one of the things which I think is an interesting topic because how many years have we been doing this? 20. 23 was our first one.

[C]

Very beginning of 23.

[B]

Yeah. Almost as long as we've been married.

[A]

So three and a half years, we have been doing the YouTube channel. In one way or the other, we're

[B]

married to this job.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Feels that way. So with that being said, that's still a baby channel, in my opinion.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[A]

Three and a half years is still a baby channel. And we're over a million subscribers, which.

[C]

Oh,

[B]

great.

[A]

We are over a million subscribers. So with that being said, it's been great. We keep learning new things, we keep trying new things. Like, we keep evolving.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What are your own personal ideas? So it's not even a goal. Yeah, because it's just. It's. It doesn't even have to happen. I can. We like it. It could just be what you think we should do with the channel going forward. What is your idea?

[B]

Live podcast.

[C]

Yeah, I think a live show.

[B]

Like, eight. Like, we do. We do like, a 10. Like a run. Like, hey, we're gonna announce. With the first year, we do, like, a run of 10. We hit, like, 10 major cities or whatever in the Southeast or, you know, whatever. And then we pick, like, a cool little hangout place, do the podcast, answer some questions from back and forth with people, get some.

[C]

Get some musical guests. It's like a whole event shebang.

[A]

But who wants to sit there and live, listen to us talk?

[B]

It's a thing.

[C]

I. I would. I think it's more. I might want to live, hang out with them. I want to get a room of the homies watching who I see in the comments and be like, like, what's up?

[B]

What's her name? Who's like, this, the star. Dnd.

[C]

Yes. Like, you helped us so much.

[B]

Literally taught us the game, like. But I just think that would be cool.

[A]

Okay, so live. Live.

[C]

Yeah, live. Live show in person, I think would be awesome.

[B]

Well, the last time we had this conversation, we said roundtable, and look where I got. And look where we are now. So nothing's impossible.

[C]

Nothing is impossible.

[A]

There was a really long stint of y' all trying to get me to play Dungeons and Dragons as well.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I know. We just keep chipping away. We were talking about the other day that we missed doing podcasts in the Airbnb a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, you missed doing it in the Airbnb nostalgia.

[B]

Yeah, that was, like, back in the day, I remember.

[A]

And I would get in trouble for leaving stuff in there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

By my mom, I think.

[C]

I think it would be. I think it'd be fun to do a show where you try food. No, that would be a really fun segment.

[A]

Do you know how much it would take, like, how much money it would take for me to willingly do that?

[B]

Like, everybody else doesn't fake it.

[A]

Yeah, I won't.

[C]

I think that would be a great show. But it would be great because you

[B]

won't, I think, anything along those lines, like, you going on, you doing experiences. Like, I think at some point, eventually, like, the. Like, we always have the day to day stuff, but, like, I want to see Katie Van Slyke skydive. I want to see Katie Vance, like, go. Go live in Walmart for 24 hours. I want to go see Katie, like, you know, do an escape room.

[A]

So you guys just really want to be YouTubey? Yeah, I mean, just real YouTube.

[B]

That's. That's crazy. Let's just say, like, all right, we're gonna go find the best pizza in that. You know, like, whatever. You know, like something like Experience.

[C]

I would be totally fine to start a second channel to experience explored these ventures.

[B]

Yeah, we're gonna go into the art.

[A]

So here's the problem. We are already, like, skirting on time to get the videos.

[B]

Well, you said. You said that this was just whatever.

[C]

Yeah, we're in dreamland.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

She's like, let me tell you why that's dumb. This is never gonna work.

[A]

Okay, sorry. I'm dream crushing. Continue.

[C]

Yeah, I think we could do it. Yeah, I think, you know, just get. Get off prop. I think videos off prop shows are fun and just more. What would you call it? I think group experienced videos would be fun.

[A]

So, like, sorry, the vet was texting

[C]

drop, drop us three off in an

[B]

escape room corn maze.

[C]

Somebody's gonna film it. We're gonna try to get out of there.

[A]

Sorry. You're just putting me in some uncomfy situations.

[C]

Yeah, but it's the tension. We want the tension.

[A]

I said a line in one of the recent videos that I just really resonate with and I'm like, that just. That's me. I said to someone, I don't think you know me well enough to know how little I like to be uncomfortable.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How or what did I say? That I'm incompatible with being uncomfortable? Something like that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You said you don't know me. Comma. My distaste for being uncomfortable is immense. Is exactly what you said.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

I know exactly what you're talking about. That should be a minute. 6:43.

[A]

And I feel like that really sums me up.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Which I get like, you know, I can go like hunting and stuff like that. And like in negative 10 degree weather. Sure. As long as I'm warm.

[C]

So I. I know. So then you need to take the route of more. You be like the Mr. Beast running the game.

[B]

Yeah, maybe that's it. Yeah, she loves doing that today.

[C]

She loves doing that. So we need to do that.

[B]

You should let me hit you in the face with this placenta. But she won't try a mushroom Swiss burger. So maybe that. Yeah, so maybe that's the direction. So then that is.

[C]

Then we can. I can play the games.

[B]

Yeah. And then it's just like, yeah, she

[C]

can say, hey, I designed.

[B]

I'm putting my employees in Walmart for 24 hours to see.

[C]

Yeah, I'm dropping them off in an escape room. But it's a second channel.

[A]

I cannot be this like tyrant.

[B]

No, it's not a tyrant.

[C]

It's not a tyrant. You're just setting your ass. It's like you are beast.

[A]

I think the power would get to me and I would.

[B]

I think I would g. Was a showrunner. She's like, so what about guillotine?

[C]

Not real, of course.

[A]

Okay, Interesting thoughts.

[C]

Yeah, I think, I think that stuff

[B]

would be fun more realistically a Live podcast.

[C]

Yeah, I think a live podcast. Yeah, I think a live weekly show.

[A]

I do. Not streaming. I think that's more realistic. I just don't know how. I don't think people want to watch us live.

[B]

Well, they'll answer.

[C]

Well, I have, I have a lot of faith in confidence in the way

[B]

I've always said is like, like imagine what a 100 people in a room. Like, you know, if 100 people in a room. That's a lot of people.

[C]

That's a lot of people.

[B]

So if 100 people in the comments say that they would do it, it's at least worth consideration.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

My birthday party was 100 people and I was just like not that many people.

[C]

That was quite a bit of people. I've never had that many people at my birthday party.

[B]

People.

[C]

Let's. Yeah, we'll pin a comment and like it if you would go, yeah, just a little test the waters.

[A]

Well, it's not even if you would go. It's like, would you buy a ticket and go, that's.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's also a big part.

[C]

It would be an experience.

[B]

We basically just sitting down and like watching and catching it. Okay. That would just be why you're there, there. And then the extra stuff is like, you know, the Q and a little segment.

[C]

Q and A segment. I see music guests probably maybe a comedian, somebody like, you know, we could, we could build out a whole, like a show. You build out a show.

[B]

Certainly, Certainly worth it.

[C]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

Certainly worth the experience.

[A]

So yeah, that kind of does fall into this next question because talking about the future of things, what is not even necessarily here, some five year goals. I would love to. I love knowing people's five year goals. I'm so nosy and I love to know what you're working on and what like, like I know you've got some, some little like outside hobbies and I know, like I just want to know your goals because I want to root for people.

[C]

Just like in general, in general, it

[A]

could be work, it could be. In general life. It could be if you're wanting to move, if you're wanting to sell your house, if you're wanting to get really good at golf, if you're wanting to. I mean there's lots of. Yeah, lots of goals.

[C]

Are you wanting me to go first? My 5 year goal would probably be. I definitely would like to make a couple movies in the next five years. I would also like to get good enough at golf that they will let me attempt to Play in the US Open, which isn't. You got, you just got to get scratch. Just be a scratch golfer and they'll let you try.

[A]

They will, yeah. Okay, so what. How many people do they allow do that? Is there a cap?

[C]

There's no cap on how many can try? Basically there's like local tournaments and then the top X amount from each tournament move on to another tournament and then they play and then the top move on to another one. And then eventually I think it's. I don't know how many spots, but then that you're in.

[A]

What do you. What is usually the entry level of like. Okay. If you're playing an 18 hole course. I'm, I'm using all of my golf knowledge right now. What under par do you probably need to be at to be qualified for that?

[C]

If you're playing from the farthest back tees, probably on.

[A]

Don't know what that means.

[C]

Well, there's like different tee boxes. If you play the longest the course allows probably around even or one over.

[A]

Oh, so not even like under par?

[C]

No. Most courses are rated around 72. So if you shoot par, you're scratch.

[A]

Okay. Okay. What. What are you shooting at this moment?

[C]

Right now? I'm like, my problem now is stamina. I don't have enough energy to get through like the grind of a four and a half hour round. Usually about a little over three hours. I start kind of wearing down because I'm just not as physically fit as I used to be. But I played Saturday and I was 1 over through 14 holes.

[A]

Gotcha.

[C]

And then fell apart. Shot 80, had a cut. A total meltdown in the last few holes. But I think I definitely have the game to do it. I think I can do it.

[A]

Okay. I've never played golf in my life.

[C]

You would have fun watching, I think.

[A]

I think I would say a lot of swear words if I tried.

[C]

Yeah. But you, you seem. I think you would have a good time in the cart. Just get some music, some vibes, little fan vibes.

[A]

I love to be a little beautiful. Absolutely. Back in the day. I wish I knew that was a job. I would have done that in college. Yeah. I love talk to people, drive around, make make little drinks. I would have done that. Yeah, I would have loved that.

[C]

So I'm going to try to get to scratch golf and make a couple movies in the next five years.

[A]

What, so like short films or like.

[C]

No, I think I want to make long ones. Yeah.

[A]

Do you have any topics lined up?

[C]

I just naturally lean, horror. I think I would be good at creating, like, tense moments. And we're like. So that's. That's just like where my mind naturally goes. I would love to do like dramas like. Like a movie like the Social Network or something where it's like these tense moments, but you're never scared. I would love to do that. But as far as, like writing, I don't feel like I'm as good at that or my, like my idea generations are always like. And it could be scary. And so that's just like my default.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. So movies and to try.

[C]

Try to get to scratch at the US Open. Well, if I get to scratch, they say you're good enough that we'll let you try.

[A]

I see.

[C]

I see you've met the threshold of we'll allow you to attempt.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Which is all I would like to do.

[A]

Okay. Well, that's something we will root for you for now.

[C]

Yeah. Thank you.

[A]

Thank you. Matthew, you've had enough time to think

[B]

just overall self improvement. I think would like to have a farm by then.

[A]

A farm for animals or for hunting.

[B]

Just land for investing for literally everything. Make money off of.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Certainly would like to make. Imagine whatever movie he's making we'll be doing together. So that's always on the. On the radar. I have.

[A]

Don't need a female lead.

[B]

No, I have. I have ideas and whatnot myself. I'm really like. I just have this. This strong desire to pursue a career in metal music. But I know that I don't have the.

[C]

What was that?

[A]

That was. That was Frankie playing with the chicken downstairs. Could you hear that?

[C]

Maybe that was funny short version.

[B]

I don't think I have the desire to just go through with it or stick it out for. In order for it to be successful. And I like what I'm doing now.

[A]

So you could just be like our friend who sings metal at our party.

[B]

That's just not cool, though. I would either have to do it or not do it.

[C]

What. What would. What would be your biggest hiccup in that process?

[B]

The what I know it takes to be successful. And like, you know, I've never heard

[A]

you sing metal music, though.

[B]

Well, it's not something you like. You're sitting around the campfire and hey, is anybody, you know, somebody get the guitar.

[C]

That's actually exactly what I would want to happen.

[B]

But I really like what I'm doing and I really want to. I've always wanted to make movies, but my. My faith and trust and just idea, I guess of the film industry has just like, waned and withered every single year. Like, it just keep getting worse and worse and worse. And it makes. It's like deflating my balloon of, yeah, I want to do it. You know, it's like, yeah, now I don't know if I want to, but I think, like, there's certainly a era, like, everything has its seasons and it takes people to make changes and make movies worth seeing again. So certainly want to be a part of that change as well. So maybe get some. Some filming experience in just making movies, putting stuff out there.

[C]

And if for no other reason than. I just almost detest being a talker. I don't like just talking about doing things like, oh, I really want to do this. And like, well, they always just say they want to do something and they never do.

[B]

Even if it doesn't work or sucks like that.

[C]

That just makes me a pit in my stomach that I'm like, even if I don't want to do it, I'm going to do it. Yeah. Because I'm not. I don't want to be a talker. I want to do.

[B]

I can certainly say that if I die tomorrow, I would have no shortage of experiences just because I, like. Give it a shot.

[C]

Yeah, I'll give it a shot.

[B]

Give it a shot.

[C]

What about you?

[A]

I have a lot of stuff that I'd like to happen in the next five years, but also I know that, like, if I look at five years ago, my plans were very different. And so I have a plan, but I'm also open to just letting, like,

[C]

the Lord just move.

[A]

Move it. Yeah. You know, like, it. Whatever plan I come up with, like, his plan is usually so much better.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And so I think being open to changes has helped me so much in the long run.

[B]

Gotta be.

[A]

And so, like, for instance, we started this channel three years ago. Yeah, three years ago. Like, I didn't have a single employee. Like, I. Y' all were contract workers that I had hired to, like, help with the YouTube channel. And I still wasn't fully taking over, like, the bills at the farm. And like, we had just moved here and this building didn't exist. And like, I don't know, just so much has happened in, like, three years that I look back at five years ago, which was like a year into me and Jonathan's back marriage and we were living in a house in a neighborhood. And like, I don't know, it just. It's kind of unfathomable to me what all's happened in five years.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That I have Plans. But I also know that, yeah, it's just kind of like, un. Unknown.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like. Like my. My plan set in place is that we have bought land. So, like, we have land that is not Running Springs.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now Running Springs will never go away. Running Springs will go wherever we go. But I do plan on building and trying to grow. So we. What? Oh, sorry. I'm sorry.

[B]

I thought you were like, this is worth talking about. She will take like, this one while it's like, if something like, like a little hiccup or like whatever we're trying to like, make so unnoticeable. So just shut production down and be like, what I was.

[C]

I only made quick eye contact to make sure he wasn't like, being like, hey, this is happening.

[A]

Well, that's. That's what. I didn't. I didn't know if it was like, oh, I need to stop.

[B]

It's just so funny.

[C]

I looked over and he was just like, you're wrong.

[B]

It's just so funny. But anyway, so sorry.

[A]

So we've. We've bought land. We're like, right now just. I know, I know. We need to go out there. I've only been out there like five times. Yeah, like, Jonathan's out there bush hogging today. And so our plans are to put cows on it first and then to build. And so my overall plan is I would love to have a facility that if. Because my brain always works, like in the negative kind of where I'm like, if social media died and I lost everything, I have this functioning business. And so I really want to create a space that has plenty of barns, plenty of pasture to continue my breeding program, and then have one to three trainers on site. They be able to bring in their own clients and then like on site have, you know, like therapy, like, like whether that be like the water treadmill and like the, The. Oh, what was it called? Like, you know, the, the thing that we took Kennedy at the bath, like the ice bath, the laser shockwave, PEMF and like, have all these things available. So then, you know, these people who are paying for their horses to be in training, they can also have all this upkeep on site, but it's through me and through my business. And then I potentially. I'm not saying I would pull my horses from. From high point necessarily, but potentially could have a stud or a couple studs on site and then, you know, be doing a lot of. A lot of things that I'm outsourcing for.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All in one space. And so that's my plan. I. That's more of like a 5 to 10 year plan I guess. But like I think a lot of things will be in motion within five years for that. And we would obviously be moving there and. And it would just be like a whole like I would love the mini farm to be as equally as like.

[B]

Like the Yellowstone of mini farm kinda.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that like I would love to have a mini trainer on site. Like that's so far in the. But I just think it'd be freaking cool. So that. And then that's just like ramping up how we do content and how we share things. But it's also like I said, creating this business within a business that can hopefully be self sustainable.

[C]

And do you have any. Any thoughts of a pursuit outside of equine or social media? Like writing?

[A]

I want to sing.

[C]

Sing. Okay.

[A]

I want to sing. I want to have an EP at some point. I. I've done a little writing in the last like six months and like I have written a song.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

With some incredible writers that we just haven't done anything with yet. And I do really want to put some music out more so for like a bucket list thing if anything because I love to sing. I think I don't suck and I think if anything like I have the ability to like fund myself doing this and not having to like right. Become a. You know, like have someone be in control over my voice in order to have it happen just because I can. I can go record a few things and do it on my dime and yeah. And it's. It's just to fulfill a dream rather than to make it a career.

[C]

And that's fun.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I don't. I don't think I ever want to be a singer. That and I mean that does tie into like if we did. If we did do a live thing.

[B]

Scratches that it.

[C]

Scratches that it.

[B]

Everybody.

[C]

I'm certainly going to push for it because I want to be in the band.

[A]

What would you want to be like?

[B]

Okay, what would you want? Freaking guitar and a.

[A]

So I'd want a guitar, a cajon and a fiddle.

[C]

Then I would play guitar. If that's the only instruments you want.

[A]

I don't really want a whole lot.

[B]

My.

[C]

I mean my. My true passion would be give me on the keys.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

Little keys and guitar action.

[C]

I'm much better at piano.

[A]

I don't. How do I not know this about you?

[C]

It's like my first instrument.

[A]

I have a piano.

[C]

Where.

[A]

Well, it's at my nana's house. But I was gonna bring it over. I play piano.

[B]

Well, we'll put it in the podcast room.

[C]

Dueling pianos.

[A]

I don't play that well. I was really, really into it. And like, I think I naturally am.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Pretty. Like, I pick it up really easily and I can pick some stuff out by ear. But I had this really mean teacher that just real. Really pushed me off of it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I had a beautiful, amazing, like, sweet teacher named Ella when I was starting out, and she graduated college and left because she was at Belmont. And then she, like, I was transitioned to another teacher, and I couldn't tell you this lady's name, but she, like, no good. Huh? It was just. It was rough.

[B]

Nine.

[A]

She was. She was really upset that piano wasn't my number one thing.

[C]

Not your, like, passion.

[B]

Passion.

[A]

And I was like, I just want

[B]

to learn to play piano with Miles. What's his name?

[C]

Not my tempo.

[B]

Not my tempo.

[A]

Like, I was. I was taking like two. Two times a week lessons.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she like. But I was also showing and like, that was obviously my thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that was. She was. She was really upset about that. And so she was really ugly and not ugly physically, like.

[C]

Right. She was ugly hearted. Yeah.

[B]

Nate, has this video dialed up.

[C]

Yeah, I have a little video to show you. I can play the.

[B]

That's what's getting me. This could be us in six months right before the podcast starts.

[C]

See, You can't really hear me.

[A]

Is that who's playing?

[C]

That's my friend Jake.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He's playing piano.

[C]

Yeah. It was like he sold out some little club bar in Connecticut where he's from. And then he was like, become be in the band.

[A]

So you were playing the piano?

[C]

Yeah, I was. I was on the whole show.

[B]

Yeah. Could be cool.

[A]

I. Why? How did I not know that?

[B]

Never asked.

[C]

New lord.

[A]

Because you've always just been a guitar

[C]

guy all the time.

[B]

Because nobody just brings out the piano.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I need a keyboard. You have a keyboard. But we.

[A]

Yeah, well, we need. We need a shop keyboard.

[C]

We need a keyboard.

[A]

And then you can give me lessons.

[C]

I'll find this one.

[B]

And chairs.

[A]

Christy from High Point is texting me.

[C]

Let me make a note.

[B]

Cherries keyboard.

[C]

Make a little note here.

[A]

I. I feel like I always have to have a fiddle in. In a song that I write, though. Like, I've written a few songs that were hunting related and there were more like swampy, grindy. I. That's how. I don't know what that means, but that's how I describe my Voice. And the type of music I like to sing is like swampy. I don't know what that means.

[C]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

But it is how I describe it.

[C]

Yeah, I think that's how you could describe it.

[A]

And I like grindy. And I like. I don't like to do a fast tempo. Like, I don't like to.

[C]

It's almost like foggy, too.

[A]

Yeah, like foggy swamp. I like if I.

[C]

Foggy Swamp Boys. That's the band. Katie Van Slyken. The Foggy Swamp

[A]

just makes me think of swamp.

[C]

The foggy swamp.

[A]

But yeah, I do want to do some music. If.

[B]

If you have a good blues, if

[A]

anybody wants to listen to it, they can.

[B]

Like those cl. Like those old, like, War two movies or whatever. I don't know. Whatever they're called. But like those girls that, like, wear those dresses and like.

[A]

Oh, what are they called?

[B]

You know. You know, like a.

[C]

Like Rag Time.

[A]

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[B]

You'd be good one of those too.

[A]

And so, like, we had a plan. Like, we have a plan to put music out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It just. It's been a little bit stretched out timeline wise. And so we planned on having like a couple of originals and then a couple covers.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so the covers that we have kind of planned out are like Old Red by Blake Chilton and.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like some swampy songs, you know, like Seminole Wind. Yeah. Older stuff. I'm not. I'm not with the times.

[C]

That's fine. That's fine.

[B]

And you could get a taste of that at our live show.

[A]

Oh, my goodness.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

To a city near you.

[A]

So I guess I was gonna say, what is.

[B]

Golly, the price of horses has gone up. Huh?

[A]

That's. That's on a whole other one now.

[B]

All right, you really wanted to get that in.

[A]

Okay, this is. This is a good one. And we'll end with this one because it's not going to be a quick answer, I don't think.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

What have been your best and worst moments since we all started working together? Okay, like. Like here.

[B]

Worst moments. Easy. Having to reshoot this immediately after.

[A]

That's happened twice.

[B]

It's happened twice with the same person.

[A]

That's hilarious that it was with the same person.

[B]

First time was complete user error. The second time was user error, but it was also technical error that we didn't know any better about, but now we do know better about. So in that aspect, it was user.

[A]

What he's meaning is both times that my best friend Danny was a guest, we shot the Entire podcast, like, an hour's worth.

[B]

The first time we got 30 minutes in before I realized the record button wasn't hit.

[A]

I remember, like, that being like, hey, guys, you're not.

[B]

It went on another three minutes of me just looking at that and looking at Nate. I mean, there's nothing else. Like, usually if I forget to hit and this is like, don't tell Katie this, but if I forget to hit record button on, like, a shot, I'll be like, give that to me again. Yeah, well, you can do a little bit better. We could probably do better on that, but you can't do that on this. It's like, how do you fudge that?

[A]

That's when you have to. In your head, you see it happen at 30 minutes, which usually would go for about an hour, and you have to sit there and think, okay, do I just pretend like it's normal? And then, like, a day from now, be like, I don't know what happened?

[B]

I can't do that.

[C]

I can't do that.

[B]

I can't. I can't just, like, do that. First off, I wouldn't be able to sleep, but I can't just, like, bold face, just lie and be like, hey, for me to be like, that intro could have been better. Forgot to hit record. 30 second intro, whatever. And I usually play it on like, hey, clearly I forgot to hit record. But to me, just for, like. Just to be like,

[C]

I feel like if I'm worried about something at all, I'm very clearly displaying.

[B]

And I'll tell you why. Because this is going whenever. Like the second time, whenever it was a technical issue, and whenever I come to you and say, hey, I don't know what happened. And you 100 know that that's true. Because I don't just say that all the time. I never want to cry wolf with stuff like this. Because if I ever come to you and be like, hey, there's a situation, something has happened. You know that. Hey, there's a situation.

[A]

So what happened on the second one? Because this was recent, and so we had to redo the whole thing. What? So. And we just ran it back immediately.

[C]

So we were recording two external hard drives, and sometimes in the past, one of the cameras would, like, flash in a red exclamation point. And it's done it in the past. And we're like, what is that? And it. But it's never.

[B]

Nothing has ever happened.

[C]

Well, this time it flashed, and then we got to the end and went. It didn't save anything.

[B]

In layman's terms. It just wasn't getting information into. It wasn't storing the information. It was just recording it. Um, which is just a faulty cable or faulty drive issue.

[C]

Yeah. So I guess one of the cables was failing, which was causing that to pop up, and then it just finally failed.

[A]

I see. I see. Yeah. So with. That's only ever happened with the same person, which is hilarious.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So we've had both of those times that you watched those episodes were the second time that we talked about.

[B]

That's just the worst. It's because I, like, then you have to, like, it's. It's 100% your fault. And, like, you have to go down there after everybody because it's like a. I'm a big on, like, feelings too. Like, I don't like any. I don't like knowing, like, even if you have the best intent. Hey, don't worry about it. I know that this is a huge inconvenience for you to do this. And so now I have to go all the way downstairs and be like, hey, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to do that. None of that was usable.

[A]

So this last time that it happened, I remember we were in. I was showing her the mini babies. We had, like, gotten done filming. We went outside. I was showing her, like, Jenny and Gidget, and we were sitting in the mini barn, and I just see Matt walk in, walk out, walk in, walk out.

[B]

And I forgot what I said.

[A]

And so you didn't say anything. And so I walked out. I was like, do you need something? And he was like, we got to. We got to redo the whole podcast.

[B]

Rip the band aid off.

[A]

Oh, but we did it.

[B]

The best time.

[A]

There are none.

[B]

No, a lot of best times.

[C]

A lot.

[B]

I really generally enjoy 50% of foaling season.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is just, like, the parts that I genuinely enjoy. Like, you know, I'm not going to sit here and be like, I'm so happy that this foal is happening in front of me. I'm more happy playing Dungeons and Dragons. Obviously, it's enjoyable. I'm glad that we're going to get to go to sleep after this. But, you know, I love following season as a whole. I think that's super fun. But, like, the.

[A]

Well, because it's cold, it's. No one's doing anything anyway. And then it's just nice. Like, yeah, it's a.

[B]

It's nice. They'll have plenty of free time anyway. The. The vibe of foaling season, especially, like, the Front half. And I actually, to be honest, I

[A]

feel like this year the back was that.

[B]

I don't even think there was, like, a front or back half.

[A]

The back half this year was because it. That's when just everything was dying.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, I meant fun.

[A]

Right. But what I'm saying is, like, the front half is like, oh, all these babies being boring. They're all great. And then the last half was, like, freaking stressful because it was just like, dead baby. Baby came out after really hard. Whatever. Oh, dead baby. This one. Mommy's trying to die. Baby alive. Like, literally everything was crazy.

[C]

Second half was more stressful.

[A]

And then we, like, the. The last baby was just like, oh, I'm gonna just be born out of nowhere and no one's gonna film it. So the last half was. Was stressful, and I don't feel, like, quite as at ease.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Horses aside, I think front to back, it was certainly a more. I feel like the other F seasons, we have, like, something that's really cool that, like, gets us through the first few weeks, and then, like, we're surviving the last. I don't feel like that happened this time. Like, we were, like, pretty much.

[A]

Well, we have a better. We have a better, like, setup with the shop now. We had kind of, like an ongoing game that we were playing.

[B]

I think that's.

[A]

That made us excited. Yeah.

[B]

I think that's crucial. We did lives. We enjoyed doing.

[A]

We always eat good food. That's the thing. Like, I try to.

[B]

I know that we need to cook more next time.

[A]

We do need to cook more, but, like, I do know that, like, you know, it's. No one wants to be away from their wives and babies. No one wants to be sleeping outside of their bar. Like, no one wants to not be in their bed at night. So, like, when we do have. Okay, hey, guys. This is an overnight night. And, you know, especially when it stretches on. We try. We try to have some steaks and some. And some good dinners, but it could be worse.

[B]

At least we're not, like, you know, linemen.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe don't put that, like, laying pipe in Oregon or something.

[C]

Like.

[B]

Like, if I'm going to commit three months, like, a lot of people, like, go out or whatever. In three months. Whatever. Like, if I'm going to commit three months somewhere, like, it's pretty cool to be able to.

[A]

Well, you can. If something happen, you can jet home during the day. You know, it's like, whatever. A lot of the times they might not sleep at home, but they jet

[B]

home at Least you're with your friends and having good times and good memories and all that stuff. It's never a bad time.

[C]

Yeah, I could read.

[A]

The one specific night of DND where I stole the dog was my favorite.

[C]

Yeah, that was as far as like, a.

[B]

Do you have, like, a singular. Like, this is, like. This is clearly my top moment at kbs.

[C]

I think so. Oh, I think it was my birthday cake.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. I think you never got that one when.

[A]

When. Because we really didn't know each other.

[B]

That we've never gotten since either. It was just the one.

[C]

Yeah, it was just the one.

[A]

I haven't seen you on your birthday since then, I don't think.

[C]

Yeah. Which I'm a big, like. I like receiving gifts, so I think. And it was a big day for you. You know, it was the same day you bought vs Code Red was also my birthday. And I was like, oh, you got me a cake on your big day. I think that was the most special I felt, which is probably my high point. Even if it's not, like, the coolest thing.

[A]

Three years, there hasn't been a high point

[B]

close to resembling that.

[C]

We've certainly done a lot of cool stuff. I like.

[A]

You haven't said your worst moment. Well, Friday.

[B]

No, that cannot be.

[C]

No, that's not.

[B]

Has to be like. I mean, other. That was. I guess that would just be, like, certainly any sort of editing. There's been plenty.

[C]

Yeah, there's been.

[A]

See, I'm just. I think it's funny that y' all don't really consider, like, Matt was walking, like, I cannot believe you didn't say Cool. You walked up. Because we thought Cool was having her baby. And then we all walk in, and my dad's like, she's dead. And I just start, like, screaming. And, like, you have to. You literally help Jonathan get him. Her into the bucket of the tractor.

[C]

And, like, you probably blocked that out.

[B]

No, it was just like. I guess we can talk about this now. My first and foremost thought in that moment was, so am I not filming or am I filming? What's my first thought?

[A]

Well, now we know. Like, we don't.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

If it's like, like, with Happy this year when we're, like, in emergency mode and we're just trying to, like, save this animal or whatever. Because here's the thing. Them filming has nothing to do with, like, what I'm doing. Them filming doesn't stop me from doing what I need to do in a timely fashion. But, like, I also. That's the YouTube channel is not about, like, exploiting tragedies. It's just.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And so, you know, there's a lot of things that we could have done for views in the past. We could have used seven for views. We could have used whatever. Like, there's so many things that we could have done, and that's just not what this channel's about. And so now it's very distinct, like, oh, when shit's hitting the fan. No.

[C]

But even sometimes, I'm like, should. Should we be filming this in case somebody is like, what happened?

[B]

Right. It's like, I never want to make the executive decision.

[C]

I don't want to be weird and be, like, filming. But if somebody's like, well, what time did this happen?

[A]

You're like, I see.

[C]

It happened at 10, 23 and 26.

[B]

Or if, like, military 10 years later or whatever, it's like, you know, whatever. You know, I never want to. Never want to be it. To be my choice. Be like, well, I see.

[C]

Yeah. So, like. Or if the vet's like, you know what? Like, we. We. I can tell you exactly what happened. I'm looking at it.

[A]

Right, right, right, right.

[C]

Like, for, like, recall on things. Because, you know, stressful situations, you start. Your mind gets going. Maybe you don't have perfect recall on things. And I'm like, this is awkward. If I film, is it helpful to.

[B]

Not.

[C]

Not from the standpoint of we're. We're gonna use this or anything, right?

[A]

Yeah. Because, like, this last year, I just remember we all. Because we thought, oh, Happy's having your baby. It's gonna be great. And then immediately see it's wrong. Immediately see that it's just the face being presented and no feet. And so then goes into emergency mode of sedating her, trying to push baby back in, trying to grab legs, realizing we're in over her head, putting her on a trailer. Like. And I just. I do remember seeing y' all all just standing there in the barn, and I'm like, go to bed.

[C]

Like, yeah.

[A]

You know, but it's just. I don't know. It's interesting to me because I feel like my brain goes there, but y' all go towards. I mean, I'll tell you, the worst

[B]

moment in my freaking entire career was this. Dang. My situation. That has to be. I mean, that was worse. The worst. The last two editings, the worst.

[A]

So for the horse show, the Kentucky Horse show, there are some times where you might notice the sound is just like, a little off or, like a little echoey or whatever. First of all, it was horrible because there was music the entire time. That's, that's not normal. It shows normally it's like only when you're in the show pin or like whatever, but there was music playing the entire time. And so for copyrights, situations and like to be able to monetize a video, you have to take all the, the sound out of the background, but then take it away.

[B]

The main thing was, is like we just had, we had these new mics. We were, we've been trying to work out the mic situation for like a year and like just what works best. And there we didn't know any better. Again, it comes down to personal. Like, you know, we could have like set it up better for sure. But we, we had just got him and just started testing them out. But we should have done that with like an afternoon vlog as opposed to a seven day horse show to get back. And there's like four different mics that have been given to six different people at different times of the day and none of it was named and none of it was even in linear order. So like day four may have been before day two, but only Rachel's day four because Nate's day four is supposed to be. And so like there was, there was a lot of. Most of the days were just figuring out what, whose mic goes to what. And then it was just like the end, end result ended up being putting every single audio track on this huge timeline. And I would just listen to it and then just say, well, that's not it. I would just listen to it and I listened to the entire horse show in 30 minute blocks for about 48 hours. I was like, well, that's not Katie. That's not Katie.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But after now lesson learned was incredible. Now we have.

[A]

So I knew that there was an audio issue that's. I was just told, hey, there's an audio issue with the mic.

[C]

There was, there was probably three nights in a row where you and me were still talking at like 4 or 5 o' clock in the morning. Like three nights in a row that we just trying to figure it out.

[B]

Even in this last one, it's like I thought I was gonna have to like, like then looking for like Nate's mic and then I can look through the video. Oh yeah, he's not wearing a mic. And then Rachel will take her mic off and give it to somebody else and oh my gosh. So like you have to listen to the whole.

[A]

Yeah, because we were like trying to give him to Aaron.

[B]

Yeah, we're all we've got.

[C]

You pushed a button on the mic when I was handing it off. Yeah. And I was not even recording, so it's like, like stuff like that would happen.

[B]

It's like now it's 10 times better. You know, lessons learned.

[A]

Because we usually had these packs that are like little. They're actual packs and they have a wire. And so that's what we were using. But it was becoming really difficult at horse shows because of my horse show clothes and because we were trying to just like, put it on, take it off, put it on, take it off. And so we were like, okay, we'll go to clip on mics. And then I think for the aspect of the horseshoe, the clip on mics were great.

[B]

They are great for you. But yeah, even now, like, it doesn't like, they are great. They're. They, they work great for, for horse shows. We have a completely fantastic system laid up that it's never going to be a problem ever again.

[C]

It should. It should never be a problem.

[B]

So the, the lessons learned from that were certainly greater than the trials and tribulations that resulted from that.

[A]

But then I feel like we're really hard on ourselves and I feel like we, you know, I don't know, we go on these because, you know, these horseshoes are. They're big in a lot of different ways because it's like, like cost wise and, and just like effort in, in scheduling them and getting there and all this stuff. But if we look back at three years ago videos versus what we're trying to achieve now, they're.

[C]

They're very different.

[A]

Very different. Very much bigger.

[B]

And they're only better.

[C]

They are very different.

[A]

And. And so I feel like, yes, things go wrong or, you know, we have things we can improve upon, but, you know.

[C]

Yeah, I think that will always be the case. Yeah, we'll always have stuff to improve.

[A]

You okay.

[C]

Always trying new.

[A]

We should, we should try to turn

[B]

our frowns upside down.

[A]

Well, we should try. And it would be a short film, but we should try to turn. Okay, a horse show into a movie.

[C]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

So instead of it being like a vlog, we should turn it into like a. Like maybe. Yes, I'm showing. And there's real life going on outside of it, but we come up with like a script and a storyline that's happening at the horse show and we just film it while we're there.

[C]

Yeah, I like this. Let's make a horseshoe movie.

[A]

Like, I'm not Katie in the movie. I'm somebody else.

[C]

I'm Liking it more.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Liking it more. Get old bean involved.

[A]

She would hate it.

[B]

But that's our new.

[A]

We could make her. We could make her, like, a villain.

[B]

She would, like.

[A]

I think she'd like being a villain.

[C]

Yeah, she would.

[A]

She would. Her little emo soul. Like, she would.

[C]

Let's ride it.

[B]

I know. She's great. Does she come to.

[A]

She is my trainer, so. Yes.

[C]

Yeah, she'll be there.

[B]

Rachel going to be there.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Are up. Vibes are up.

[B]

We'll be there.

[C]

Vibes are up.

[A]

Anyway, I had this. This video has gone too long. Has gone too long. And I have no clue how y' all are going to make this edited to look nice, but I have faith. Just.

[C]

Just for future, note the. The animal communicator.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Is that happening? Is that happening?

[A]

Okay. So I heard in Kentucky that Aaron has used an animal communicator before. He was like, there's some quacks out there. There's some that are, like, absolutely not real. But then there's others. He's like, I'm convinced because he had a couple horses that he was, like, having issues with, and he could not figure them out. And so the owner suggested an animal communicator. And there was this lady that had, like, this super huge wait list, and they're like, it's an emergency. So she fit them in. And the things she told him about this horse. And there's another one, too, that the only reason they figured out how to help this horse was because of an animal communicator. And so, like, with this one specific horse, it told the communicator, I have three riders, which it did. It had Aaron, the mom, and the daughter. And then it was like, the guy kind of makes me feel a little unconfident sometimes. I feel like he's a little bit, like, he makes me nervous. But then I'm my most confident with the little one. But she, like, you can tell her that she can use her new spurs, but they're just a little sharp, so be careful. She had just gotten new spurs for her birthday, like, right before. Like, how does this lady do that?

[B]

You know, I feel like it's a job that I would excel in and sell it.

[A]

And so I have multiple horses that I want to be like, what's your problem? Yeah, what? Like, Trudy, I want to be like, what's your problem? Why? Because that was the whole thing. Like, when I bought her, they were like, we've done all this vet stuff. We don't know why she's. She's unrideable. We don't know why she's. Whatever. Like, she's gone and won all this stuff. And now we think it's a pain response, but, like, she can't be ridden. I want to. I want to be like, you faking?

[C]

What is.

[A]

What's your beef? What's. What's going on?

[B]

I certainly wouldn't discredit that being a thing. I think that there are quacks, and I think that there are probably some real ones, but I would. I would expect a little bit of a performance.

[A]

But also, I do want another one, this other horse. And I don't think this was like

[B]

a little something, I don't think.

[A]

No, because they. They do it over the phone.

[C]

What?

[A]

They do it over the phone.

[C]

How do they know over the.

[B]

Dude, I would want to come. Would have wanted to come in, put her head next to her or whatever and, like, get me something. Give me a little something. So we're a rizard.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

I. Yeah, like, give me something.

[C]

Total side note. And I'll let you get back to this. I went to a concert last night. My friend was playing, and it was downtown.

[A]

I was downtown too.

[C]

It was on the sky deck thing. And I look over into this apartment, top floor. They've got like crazy lights on, crazy colored lights. And there's a person standing there like this. I mean, full wizard garb, like, the black robe, the tall black hat, just like pacing around his apartment for like 15 minutes. Took it off. Totally jacked, by the way. Just took it off and then went to bed. I'm like, he just walked around his house in a full wizards row for

[B]

like 15 minutes, ready to go out. And he's like, that's it. I'm not going. That's it.

[C]

I'm not going. That reminded me. Anyway, keep going.

[B]

That wasn't worthwhile.

[A]

So there was another horse that was not Aaron's that he told me about. He said this one really made me think of it was real too, because there was this friend of his that had this horse in training that was wickedly talented but could not figure out how to get it. Sound like it was just in pain somehow. They'd had the vet do all these workups, could not figure out why it was hurting. And they had an an. They finally were so desperate, they're like, let's have this animal communicator talk to it and see what it says.

[B]

And.

[A]

And I was like, yeah, my butt hurts. There's a spot right underneath my butt that. I don't know, like, somewhere on, like, that glue area that hurts really bad, and I can't do anything because of it. They went and ultrasounded a really obscure spot that would not have ever come to anyone's brains, and he had a torn muscle.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

And once they. Once they did rehab. Once they did rehab for that specific thing.

[C]

Horses back is an all star.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Are they. Are they putting the horses on the phone?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Like, here, give me. Talk to them.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Like, I got to know a little bit more. And you need to do this so we can figure this out.

[A]

I don't know. I need to. I need to know this lady's number. I don't know what I need. I want to talk to this specific lady because I know that she's Speaker.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, he did say there was a couple things that didn't pan out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, for instance, she told him that. So, like, the horse that had the three riders, that horse told him, hey, it's fine if you want to, like, train hard on me and, like, get onto me. Like, I know I'm being bad sometimes. Don't do it the day of the show, though. Do it the day before because you ruin my confidence. Day of.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so they tried that, and then he was terrible. So they were like, okay, well, maybe

[C]

the horse is just trying to sneak something in. Yeah.

[B]

Like, hey, they can say anything. That doesn't mean you have to believe them. I mean, they can say whatever now. Now you have to figure out if

[C]

it's a liar, you know, saying extra treats right before. Yeah, that's what I'm getting. I'm not sure.

[B]

And then you have to put them on a lot of this. It's a whole thing.

[A]

So, yeah, maybe we do need to

[B]

try that anyway and then get our color palette. But that's it.

[A]

They do want to get color palette tested.

[B]

So I need to know what to wear. I am so obsessed with that idea. I hated to find out it was $400 dollars.

[A]

It's so expensive to have someone come

[B]

colored, but how worthwhile is it? I forgot about that.

[C]

Maybe we can get a bundle deal.

[B]

We need a little. Yeah, we need looking.

[A]

Okay. Hope y' all enjoyed. Let me know if you would like to see anything specific in future. Catching up with Katie episodes. I do feel like some of the things we started talking about, like, the back end of content creation is an interesting topic that if you would like to hear more about that we can. And. Yeah, we'll see you in the next one.

[B]

All right.