A Refugee’s Warning: Dr. Sheila Nazarian on Escaping Iran, The Red-Green Alliance, & America’s Future

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels

Episode: A Refugee’s Warning: Dr. Sheila Nazarian on Escaping Iran, The Red-Green Alliance, & America’s Future

Date: February 25, 2026
Guests: Jillian Michaels (Host), Dr. Sheila Nazarian (Guest)

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Episode Overview

In this powerful and candid episode, Jillian Michaels speaks with Dr. Sheila Nazarian—a renowned Beverly Hills plastic surgeon and Iranian Jewish refugee—about her harrowing escape from post-revolution Iran, the parallels between the Iranian and American political landscapes, and urgent warnings to Americans about rising ideological extremism. Using raw, lived experience, Dr. Nazarian explores complex issues around political alliances, immigration, assimilation, activism, and America’s future in the face of global threats.

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Main Themes & Discussion Points

1. Dr. Nazarian’s Escape from Iran and the Reality of Life Under the Islamic Republic

Timestamps: 02:47–09:59

• Born in New York, Dr. Nazarian’s family returned to Iran soon after—just as the 1979 Islamic Revolution overthrew the Shah.
• As Jews, her family faced increasing persecution—hijab mandates, daily microaggressions and threats of violence (“if people found out that you were Jewish, you would get beat up”) [03:15, Dr. Nazarian].
• Her father, once the chief medical officer at the Shah’s Heart Hospital, was warned he was on a kill list. Using a fabricated Vienna medical conference, he escaped alone before the family was smuggled out by truck, hiding under burlap and corn in near-daily mortal danger.
• “The Iranian border police started shooting at us—to not let us leave.” [09:19, Dr. Nazarian]
• The family lived in hiding in Pakistan for three months before being granted visas to the US via Vienna.

2. The Red-Green Alliance: Historical and Present-Day Parallels

Timestamps: 03:59, 04:34–08:36

• Dr. Nazarian describes the “Red-Green alliance”—a coalition of Islamists ("the Green") and Communists/Socialists ("the Red")—that fueled Iran’s revolution and, she argues, now threatens the US.
• “The Islamists joined hands with the Communists, and it’s exactly what’s happening here. We’ve smelled, heard, tasted all this before, and we’re just staring at America being like, hell, no. Are we gonna let America go down the way Iran went down?” [06:02, Dr. Nazarian]
• She draws explicit parallels between campus activism leading up to the Iranian revolution and current US campus unrest: “They invented intersectionality... and used these useful idiot college students... It’s exactly the same playbook.” [05:40, Dr. Nazarian]

3. Western Naiveté and the Danger of Projected Values

Timestamps: 15:38–17:26

• Dr. Nazarian critiques well-meaning Americans who project their own values on societies with fundamentally different beliefs:
  • “Americans have this narcissism that they think everyone wants to be like us. Everyone loves their children, too. Yeah, but you wouldn’t send your child in a suicide vest to go blow themself up and brag about it.” [16:42, Dr. Nazarian]
  • “Their core value is to die for Islam. That’s the greatest honor you can have, is to become a martyr. So stop projecting your core values onto a society that doesn’t share them.” [17:04, Dr. Nazarian]

4. Immigration, Assimilation, and Who Gets to Be American

Timestamps: 14:12–15:38, 41:41–44:23

• Nuanced debate on immigration:

  • Jillian notes immigrant contributions (Fortune 500 companies, small businesses) and the historic pattern of immigrants appreciating America deeply.
  • Dr. Nazarian insists on the necessity of assimilation: “We just want to know who’s coming in, and we want them to assimilate.” [14:27, Dr. Nazarian]

• Distinguishing true asylum seekers from economic migrants:

  • “That’s real asylum... I can’t go back. That’s real asylum, not ‘I’m gonna go vacation in the country I’m claiming to be asylum from.’” [42:28, Dr. Nazarian]

5. Warnings for America: Projecting Vulnerabilities and Misguided Activism

Timestamps: 17:26–21:28, 44:24–49:08

• Iranian and Middle Eastern dissidents feel their warnings are ignored, especially by white liberal activists:
  • “It’s white liberal women who have the balls to tell me what the Middle East is like. I’m like, you’ve never even been there.” [18:11, Dr. Nazarian]
• Activist energy is often driven by a need for belonging or emotional validation, rather than hard knowledge:
  • “There’s this loneliness, this lack of purpose... they just want to belong to something.” [20:01, Dr. Nazarian]
• Jillian observes, “They think they are running an underground railroad... I swear to God, they’re like, ‘I’m Harriet Tubman’.” [21:07, Jillian Michaels]

6. The Complex Situation in Modern Iran

Timestamps: 22:30–28:53, 34:47–41:41

• Ongoing brutal repression and societal collapse is discussed:

  • “I’m terrified at the amount of people that have passed away. I’m hearing ninety thousand, ninety thousand [dead].” [39:12, Dr. Nazarian]
  • The current revolutionary movement is “everybody—rich, poor, young, old, women, men, every province. The shopkeepers are even out.” [41:14, Dr. Nazarian]

• On the strategic choices facing US foreign policy:

  • The importance of a free Iran for US and world security is debated; Dr. Nazarian is adamant that action must be taken before Iran achieves full nuclear capability:
  • “If we don’t take care of it now, when Iran’s at its weakest... you’re just going to leave a stronger, nuclearly capable Iran for your child’s child.” [49:21, Dr. Nazarian]

7. Media, Misinformation, and Political Manipulation

Timestamps: 32:18–36:56, 54:02–57:16

• Jillian’s awakening to media bias is examined:
  • “You’re watching CNN, you’re reading the New York Post... with the most renowned journalists in the world, and they are telling you he is Hitler. And he doesn’t do himself any favors with some of the rhetoric...” [32:33, Jillian Michaels]
  • Acknowledgement of how institutional power manipulates public perception for its own interests (the “vertical war”): “It’s Fink and it’s Soros and it’s Gates and it’s the Rockefeller family... There is actually a them.” [55:00, Jillian Michaels]
• Dr. Nazarian critiques the elitism and ignorance among some progressive journalists:
  • “She’s a Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times journalist, can’t define the word fascist... and then she goes, ‘I know a lot of Republicans, but they’re not as educated as you.’ And I was like, I don’t think...” [56:24, Dr. Nazarian]

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Notable Quotes

• Dr. Sheila Nazarian on Escaping Iran:

  “We went to the bazaar one day, got in the back of a covered truck, laid down at the bottom... They put burlap sacks and corn on top of us and in that way took us close to the border of Pakistan... The Iranian border police started shooting at us—to not let us leave.” [08:36–09:19]

• On the Red-Green Alliance:

  “It’s the Islamists joining hands with the Communists, and it’s exactly what’s happening here.” [06:04]

• On Projected Values:

  “Your core value is life... their core value is to die for Islam. That’s the greatest honor you can have, is to become a martyr... Stop projecting your core values onto a society that doesn’t share them.” [16:42–17:04]

• On Western Activists Dismissing Lived Experience:

  “It’s white liberal women who have the balls to tell me what the Middle East is like... I’m the brown one. Or they’re trying to tell me what the Middle East is like. I’m like, you’ve never even been there.” [18:11]

• On Real Asylum:

  “That’s real asylum... I can’t go back... That’s real asylum, not ‘I’m gonna go vacation in the country I’m claiming to be asylum from.’” [42:28]

• On Empowerment vs. Victimhood:

  “If that guy won’t give you a job, the building down the street will. In Iran, you’re a Jew—no job. Here, nothing is holding you down.” [71:32]

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Memorable Moments

• Dr. Nazarian’s account of their nighttime desert escape as border guards fired at them while fleeing Iran [08:36–09:19].
• Discussion of how Jimmy Carter’s policies nearly doomed Iranian refugees and how a classified intervention saved Dr. Nazarian’s family [10:12–13:42].
• Jillian’s tearful reflection on images of Iranian protesters: “If I die, show my body to my dog, so he doesn’t wait for me.” [21:51, Jillian Michaels]
• The hard look at American ignorance toward the realities faced by women in regimes like Iran: “Where are the white liberal women protesting on behalf of those women in Iran?” [23:34, Dr. Nazarian]
• Dr. Nazarian’s challenge to narratives of victimhood: “What kind of messaging is that to give a child?... My mom was always like, ‘You’re so beautiful, you’re so smart, you’re so talented. Nothing is holding you back.’” [73:18, Dr. Nazarian]

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Timeline of Critical Segments

• 02:47 – Dr. Nazarian’s early life in Iran, microaggressions, and persecution
• 08:36 – Detailed escape from Iran under fire
• 13:42 – How Carter’s policy nearly doomed refugees; classified acts that saved thousands
• 15:38 – What prevents assimilation? Discussion of caliphate desire, cultural differences
• 17:26 – Americans’ flawed belief in universal values
• 21:48 – Personal stories of modern Iranian protests/brutality
• 27:01 – It’s not about land, it’s about caliphate and ideological war
• 39:12 – Death toll in current Iranian uprising, lives destroyed
• 41:14 – “Shopkeepers” as a sign of true revolution; national economic collapse
• 49:21 – Argument for proactive US action against Iran
• 54:02 – How elites (Ford Foundation, Soros, etc.) manipulate public narrative
• 56:24 – Face-off with NYT journalist; exposing progressive/media ignorance
• 71:32 – The power of American opportunity vs. institutionalized victimhood

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Final Insights and Calls to Action

• Empower immigrant voices: Listen to those with lived experience—especially refugees and dissidents—rather than relying solely on secondhand, ideologically filtered narratives.
• Defend and cherish American freedoms: Both Michaels and Nazarian urge defense of free speech, assimilation, and refusal to allow imported or manufactured victimhood narratives to erode personal agency.
• Stay vigilant about foreign policy: The fate of Iran is not just a regional issue but one directly impacting American security, the global fight against extremism, and the future of democracy.

“My parents didn’t escape Iran for me to not have my freedom of speech. Say what you think, engage in conversations, bring them back. That’s America.” [70:14, Dr. Nazarian]

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Dr. Sheila Nazarian

Instagram: @drsheilanazarian
X (Twitter): @drnazarian
Other platforms: TikTok and more.

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A gripping and often emotional conversation that weaves together personal trauma, historical warning, and an urgent call for critical thinking, vigilance, and unity in defense of freedom and truth.

Transcript

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[Jillian Michaels]

Today's guest is Dr. Sheila Nazarian. She fled Iran as a child after the Islamic revolution. And today, as uprisings continue in the US May be at war with Iran by the time this airs, her voice could not be more urgent.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Basically, it's the Islamists joining hands with the communists. And it's exactly what's happening here. It's exactly what's happening here. So we've smelled, heard, tasted all of this before, and we're just in staring at America being like, hell, no. Are we gonna let America go down the way Iran went down?

[Jillian Michaels]

Dr. Nazarian pulls back the curtain on what the world rarely sees, the brutal reality of life under the Islamic Republic in Iran. We'll talk about her escape. At only six years old, the current protest movement, what a free Iran could look like and its impact globally. Plus what asylum, empathy, activism, and courage actually look like when your homeland is on fire. This is not theory. This is lived experience. Here we go. Keeping it real with Jillian Michaels. Doc, welcome to the show.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Thank you so much.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, it's interesting. For many years, I have been familiar with you for your work as one of the most successful plastic surgeons in Beverly.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh, my God. Okay, thank you.

[Jillian Michaels]

And now I'm watching you talk all about your escape from Iran as a child, what's going on currently in Iran, what it would look like to have a free Iran. And to be fair, on this particular show, considering that by the time it airs, we may actually be at war with Iran. I would love to explore your knowledge on this topic today.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Sure.

[Jillian Michaels]

And another day, maybe we could cover some of this other fun stuff. Fun stuff? Gender affirming care. We can do fun stuff, too. Bojs and fat transfers. I have all those questions, but you, you were born in 79, correct? And this is the year that the Shah was overthrown in Iran.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes.

[Jillian Michaels]

Can you take me back to the beginning? Because your family's escape from Iran is insane. You're. You're Jewish, correct?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, walk us through this.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

So I was actually born in New York on vacation. My mom saw what was happening in Iran, and most of my family was already in America. So we basically flew to New York. Her parents were already there, her sisters were already there, and she was nine months pregnant. She had me at Long Island Jewish Hospital, where I actually did my pediatrics rotation when I was in medical school, which was great. And once I was a month old, we flew back to Iran. The revolution started, just like she, you know, the. Was going to happen, and we were stuck. They wouldn't let the Jews leave. We had to wear hijabs. Microaggressions every day. You wouldn't say that you were Jewish. A lot of people changed their last names. Like my husband's family changed their last name to not sound Jewish. Basically, you worshiped in hiding, and if people found out that you were Jewish, you would get beat up. Or if you were valedictorian, you wouldn't get it. But the next person would get. Was just a whole range of aggressions, macro and micro.

[Jillian Michaels]

Can I pause you for just a moment?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes, yes.

[Jillian Michaels]

So it's my understanding that Iran's not even Arab, that they're.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

No, it's not Arab.

[Jillian Michaels]

Persian. Persian. And there was a religion, Zoroastrian.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes, they were Zoroastrian before Islam colonized them, basically.

[Jillian Michaels]

And Christians and Jews and everybody kind of got along.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

They did. They did. Until. Until basically the Red Green alliance happened, which, you know, sounds familiar here. So that's why you see the Persians, so especially the Persian Jews being so loud in America right now, because we lived this. It wasn't necessarily our parents or our grandparents or our great grandparents with the Holocaust. This was us. Like, I lived that. My parents lived that. We escaped that.

[Jillian Michaels]

What is the Red? Who's red and who's green?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

So basically, it's the Islamists joining hands with the Communists, and it's exactly. It's exactly what's happening here. So we've smelled, heard, tasted all of this before, and we're just staring at America being like, hell, no. Are we gonna let America go down the way Iran went down and it started on the college campuses? I mean, it's exactly. No, Gillian. It's exactly the same. So basically, in Iran, the, you know, they were. They were living the life. It was like, you know, the Shah. And it was. It was. It was just same as Lebanon. It was, you know, fashion and beauty and parties and, you know, the college students were basically like, oh, why are there homeless people on the street while the Shah is living In a castle like Equity. Sound familiar? And, you know, the Islamists basically came in, like, intersectionality started there. I feel like they invented intersectionality. So the Islamists came in and used these useful idiot college students, the Communists and the socialists, and started, you know, protesting on college campuses. Exactly the same playbook. And you know what we found out? You can look this up. All the REI tents that are like 5, 600 each that were on college campuses, who paid for those? Iran did. You can look it up. They're using this. Iran did. It's the same playbook that they used to overthrow the Shah that they're trying to over. Maybe it was Qatar, it was actually Iran. But they're, you know. But Muslim Brotherhood, they're in cahoots, of course.

[Jillian Michaels]

So now hold on a second. So the Red Green alliance, you've got the communists aligning with the Islamists. The Islamists are the mullahs.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Correct.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay. But now these college kids, they weren't Muslim. They just identified and they overthrow the Shah and they're going after now the Zoroastrians, the Christians, the Jews, the Baha', Is, the Bajis. And your dad, your dad's a doctor? At the time, yes.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

He was the chief medical officer of the Shaw's Heart Hospital.

[Jillian Michaels]

And he saved somebody's eye or something?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah, so he's a pathologist. And, you know, they worked in the lab looking at. Under the microscope to diagnose cancers and, you know, other diseases. And one of his lab techs, who sets up the microscope and cleans the, you know, the lab had a parasite in his eye. And so my dad had diagnosed the parasite. And he came to my dad one day and said, you saved my eyes. I'm gonna save your life. You're on the list and you need to get out the list to be killed. Cause anybody who was affiliated with the Shah was either imprisoned or killed or escaped on the list.

[Jillian Michaels]

And you need to get out. So he comes up with like a medical conference in Vienna.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

In Vienna. So he said that he.

[Jillian Michaels]

This is fake, though, or this is real?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It was fake.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

So he said he was going on a medical conference. They made him give me, my mom and my sister's passport to them. He actually.

[Jillian Michaels]

I was wondering why he didn't take you guys because you had to escape alone.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I'll tell you why he didn't take us. Because if we. Well, they wouldn't let us leave like I told you they would. They don't let the Jews leave. It's like here we have protecting our borders so people don't come in over there. They didn't let you leave so they could exterminate you, or they didn't have a wealth, the wealth leaving the country or just to bother you, to discriminate against you. You're basically prisoners. You can't leave. And so he gave us. Gave the government our passports so that they knew, okay, they're not escaping. He's just going to a medical conference and he's going to come back. But the reason why they did it that way is if we had all escaped together and we would have been caught, God knows what would have happened to my parents. And so me and my sister would have been orphans, basically. So he said he was going on a medical conference. My mom, my sister and I went to the bazaar one day, got in the back of a cover truck, laid down at the bottom of the truck in the fetal position with other people that were getting smuggled. And they put burlap sacks and corn on top of us, and in that way took us close to the border of Pakistan.

[Jillian Michaels]

You're seven.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I was six at the time.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And, well, you know, my mom, like, when the Iran Iraq war was happening, that was 1980 to 1985. Ish, there was bombs coming in just like you see over Israel right now. And we didn't have bomb shelters. So my mom was. Would say, oh, let's go to the window and watch the fireworks. Oh, my gosh. And when we were gonna escape, she told me, we're gonna go through a roller coaster through the desert. So have you ever been to Dubai and you've been on the desert adventure and how you're going like this in the trucks? So I didn't have that memory, but I went to Dubai a few years ago, and we went on the trucks and it triggered the roller coaster through the desert. It was exactly the same, but we were in a pickup truck, not a closed car like they have now. So we're basically sitting on top of our luggage in the back of a pickup truck going on a roller coaster through the desert. We spent one night in the desert, and at 2, 3 in the morning, the border police saw us. And again, just pointing out the difference here, they started shooting at us. It wasn't the Pakistani border police preventing us from coming in. It was the Iranian border police shooting at us to not let us leave.

[Jillian Michaels]

Right. You make it.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

We made it. Obviously, we made it. We were in Pakistan for three months. We were waiting for my dad to secure visas for us to reunite with him in Vienna. Finally, did that. And we spent another three months in Vienna waiting for visas to be able to legally come to America.

[Jillian Michaels]

I want to get back to Iran.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

In a second.

[Jillian Michaels]

I saw you on our mutual friend Xavier's show, and I did not know that Carter was gonna send all the.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

This is the craziest.

[Jillian Michaels]

The Persians back to Iran to be killed. I thought Carter was like, just kind of this benign, fumbling dipstick.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Carter's the C word to Iranians, everyone. We hate Carter. Carter is what we look at is the downfall of Iran because he took out the Shah. He took out the Shah. See? Okay, so Carter is literally. If you. If you go to a Persian party, you say, Carter, people's left eye will start twitching like, he's not. He's not well liked, to say the least.

[Jillian Michaels]

So my understanding that essentially, why would Carter cooperate? To take out the shot. I don't.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I think it was an oil thing. Shot. The shot.

[Jillian Michaels]

The Brits I thought were like, no, no, you're not going to nationalize oil. Nuh.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Well, this is, you know. Exactly.

[Jillian Michaels]

So they kicked out the guy you guys loved prior to the Shah, who was like, democratically elected. Put the Shaw on then. Then the students were like, no way. He's the king and he's rich. We want him gone. They overthrew him. I thought they did that on their own after the Brits and, like, and the west kicked out the democratically elected guy.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Coordinated. So basically, if you go back and you watch one of the Shah's last interviews, I think it was with 60 Minutes, actually, he basically came out and said, you guys want our cheap oil? Our oil is not cheap. And shortly thereafter, he was gone.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, I see.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Okay.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay. So Carter was going to send you back to Iran to be killed.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Well, so the whole hostage. We weren't here yet. Right. So the whole hostage Crisis, remember the 400? I don't remember this, but I got to be honest.

[Jillian Michaels]

This is such a long time ago. It was, you know, I might have been 10. Like, I kind of.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Can you. Can you explain what this is for people that are a bit out of touch with this. This part of history.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

So actually, I'm, like, not an expert on it, but I know that with, you know, for 444 days, they took the American Embassy members hostage. Right. And this was a huge stain on Carter's presidency. And actually, the day after Carter left office, they released the hostages. Right. It was sort of like a fu. To Carter from Iran.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

But during this time, it was sort of like, okay, well, if Iran's going to do this to me. I don't want any Iranians here. Their children are here. I don't want any Iranians here. And I'll tell you how I found out this whole story, by the way. There was. This was all classified information, and it became declassified. And the guy wrote. This guy wrote a book. So a Jewish organization reached out to me and said, hey, will you sponsor this event at ucla? Some guy's coming to speak. I don't know who the guy is.

[Jillian Michaels]

Some guy.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I don't know what the event is. So I go and he's written a book about this whole thing that was classified up until the moment he released the book.

[Jillian Michaels]

Unbelievable.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

So he starts speaking and he starts talking about how Carter gave an executive order to get all the Iranians out of America and to prevent any more from coming in. Now, you have to understand, all of the people that work for the Shah, their sons, their daughters, were studying in colleges here. Some of them lived here. And if you sent them back, they would be killed, of course. So what this gentleman who's speaking at UCLA said is he made them fill out asylum applications, took the asylum applications, locked them in a closet in the State Department, and didn't let the asylum applications ever be reviewed. So if an asylum application is in review, quote, unquote, you can't deport the people. So he did this. And not only did he stop there, he then started working with an organization called HIAS to help more Iranian Baha' Is Jews get out of Iran and come to America. And that's who helped my family get out. So imagine I'm at this conference I'm sponsoring. I have no idea who this guy is, and he's responsible for how my family got out of Iran.

[Jillian Michaels]

So let's have a conversation about something strange. And here's what I mean by that. Love this story.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right?

[Jillian Michaels]

So we've got. We've saved the. The Persian Jews, the Bay Baha', I, Baha', is, the Zoroastrians, they all came over. They're Americans. You are a pillar of society. I could point to numerous people like yourself. We've got Gadsdad. We've got Brigitte, Gabrielle, We've got Patrick. But David, we've got Vincent o'.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Shaughness. Just love these people. Great going.

[Jillian Michaels]

We love them. Correct?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes.

[Jillian Michaels]

But the way it stands right now, on the other hand, it's like we want to shut all the borders. We don't want anyone else coming in. Muslims are dangerous. We don't want them coming over anymore.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Well, I don't think it's a matter of. We don't want anyone coming in. We just want to know who's coming

[Jillian Michaels]

in, and we want them to assimilate.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Correct.

[Jillian Michaels]

So I'm trying to engage my audience in these nuances, right? Because what ends up happening is you're like, that's it.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

No more.

[Jillian Michaels]

That's it. And I've seen it. You know, it's like, we. It's the same thing with the gays. We let you marry and you trans kids. We're done. Gay marriage is going too. We're done with all of this. And I'm like, hold on. Let's try to find the. There's some complexities here. Look at the ways in which people who come over as immigrants thrive. They start more small businesses. Their kids do better in school. They pay more into the system than they take. 46% of the Fortune 500 companies are created by immigrants or run by the children of immigrants. So talk to me about assimilation, because it is now a massive problem.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It is a massive problem.

[Jillian Michaels]

And yet, historically, immigrants have appreciated this country. My grandparents on all sides, my mom's and my dad's, more than the person who was born here in many cases, and took it for granted. What's going wrong? Why are people not assimilating, do you think?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Because they want to. Caliphate. Gillian, look at your own. You know, half of your mother country of Lebanon, you know, they were loving people. They were generous people. They let everyone come in, right? Oh, no one else will take you. Will take you. And what happened there just talked to me about this.

[Jillian Michaels]

I know she took the third wave of Palestinians and that was it.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

That's right. And what did they do when they were taken in by Jordan?

[Jillian Michaels]

Yes.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

So you have to understand what you're doing and what a lot of Americans do is that they project American values and fundamental core freedoms onto a society that doesn't share your core values. Gillian, what do we value more than anything else in America?

[Jillian Michaels]

Freedom.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Freedom in life. Okay, what do they value the most in, you know, the Iranian mullahs and the Palestinians, what do they value? Power, death, martyrdom, jihad, heaven.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, I see.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

So your core value is life.

[Jillian Michaels]

I see.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Their core value is to die for Islam. That's the greatest honor you can have, is to become a martyr. So stop projecting your core values onto a society that doesn't share them. Americans have this narcissism that they think everyone wants to be like us. Everyone wants to be like us. Everyone loves their children, too. Yeah, but you Wouldn't send your child in a suicide vest to go blow themself up and brag about it. And Gillili Lili on TV when they do that, and brag about how all five of your children are martyrs. Would you do that? Stop projecting your core values on a society that does not want to be you. They don't respect you. They don't share your core values. Stop. That's, like, my message to America.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, we have all of these people who have escaped the Middle east that have come here and tried to warn the West.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yep.

[Jillian Michaels]

I'll say the names again. Gad. Sad. Brigitte Gabrielle. Patrick McDavid, yourself. Right. I have an interview coming out with Raymond Ibrahim, who's actually Egyptian but was born here. But he's like, you have no idea. And yet you're dismissed. And I've seen. I'm sorry. I try so hard not to be divisive, but the reality is, like, we have white, liberal women. Yep.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Who have the balls to tell me,

[Jillian Michaels]

you must go insane.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

You know, it's.

[Jillian Michaels]

To tell.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

To tell you your phone. Yeah.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I'm the brown. Or like, they're trying to tell me what the Middle east is like. I'm like, you've never even been there.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, Anna Kasparian famously got destroyed by Bill Maher on this. And it's like, what. What Arab country you going to? What Muslim country you gonna go to in your little skinny dress? Their homie.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Exactly.

[Jillian Michaels]

And, you know, she's arguably the most aggressive. And there is no. I just continue to watch her, like, spiral.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

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When.

[Jillian Michaels]

And she engages on shows like Piers Morgan with people like yourself and doesn't take a step back and go, let me reflect on this. I'm not from that part of the world. You know, I. Maybe I've gotten this a little bit wrong. How can I open my mind and expand my horizons? There's a triple down.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

And I only bring her up because she is the face of all those other women just like her.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

Why do you think that they are dismissing people like yourself who've lived through it? What are they not seeing?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I think it's either two things. I think either they're possessed. And, you know, in Judaism, we don't have, like, possessed or exorcisms or anything like that. But I have been to enough Christian events that have been like, you know, code pink will come, and I see the black in their eyes, and there's a chill in the room, and I'm like, oh, my God, these people are possessed. Like, Now I understand what that means. So either she's possessed, or there's only 15 million Jews in the world, and there's a lot more Jew haters that click on her stuff, and she gets paid. So either it's you're possessed.

[Jillian Michaels]

I do think that.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Or you're getting paid.

[Jillian Michaels]

But imagine the ones that aren't getting paid. So now I'm just. I'm just a protester. And maybe I'm.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh, they're getting paid.

[Jillian Michaels]

Paid.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Okay. A lot of them are getting paid.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And a lot of them, you know, the college campus, you know, students. I feel like there's this loneliness, there's this lack of purpose that I see in young kids these days, and they just want to belong to something, and this gives them something. Like, I went to Columbia. Actually, all of the loudest people I know went to Colombia. And I've been telling them for 15 years they have a. Like, a Jewish problem, like, hate problem. They deny it. They deny it. They deny it. And you see girls in, like, $120 Lululemon tights with a $7 Starbucks coffee talking about how they're oppressed. And I'm like, no, let's take you to Iran, where you're getting, like, kicked in the head for showing one inch of hair. And. And let's talk about oppression. It's just sort of like this fitting in. This I have a. I have a purpose. This is my cause.

[Jillian Michaels]

That's gotta be it. And especially, like, when you see the millennials on the streets going after ice, and they think that they are running an underground railroad. Yeah. I swear to God, they're like, I'm Harriet Tubman. Yes, I'm Schindler's List.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes, I am.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, I will save the Somali fraudsters from the evil federal law enforcement officers enacting. And then it's like, well, look how far they've gone. Ice. And it's like, but you've waged a war on this. I wanted to de escal. I by no means think that Alex Preddy should have been shot or Renee Goode should have been shot, but I think these situations are very complex. Having said that, the. I appreciate daily. And I wanna get into where Iran is now in just a second. But I appreciate Daily the. The white liberal that still lives in me. And what. What I mean by that is it just has changed its focus, because when I see what's going on in Iran.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah,

[Jillian Michaels]

dude, if I talk about it, I will literally cry. There was a video of a guy saying, like, If I die. If I die, show my body to my dog. So he doesn't wait for me. And he goes out to protest and he dies.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right. I can't.

[Jillian Michaels]

Like, there's not a day that goes by and I think to myself, like, this. What's going to happen in Iran? Everyone tells me, like, you have no idea. This is going to reshape Trump's presidency. This is going to reshape the Middle East. Not necessarily for the better.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Like, oh, it's for the better. I hope.

[Jillian Michaels]

Hope so. Right. But, oh, I only say not necessarily for the better because of. Of, like, who comes in that's worse. Right.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

No, so, see, But. But again, I think you're confounding Arabs with Persians. So Arabs are nomadic peoples. They're tribalists. They're, you know, not used to democracy. They're not. Iran was Western. Iran was democratic. Iran loves America. Iran, Iranians love Israel. Iranians, not the mullahs. You know, they're in Iran waving Israeli

[Jillian Michaels]

flags, begging Trump and Netanyahu to come in.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Netanyahu is, like, the most revered figurehead in Iran.

[Jillian Michaels]

Meanwhile, everyone here is like, this devil wants to steal their land. And you see the Iranians being like, please come, please come, please send help.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And why don't you see these white liberal women protesting on behalf of these women in Iran who are raped before they're killed? Because in Islam, they believe that virgins, when they die, go to heaven. So to prevent them from going to heaven, they rape them before they shoot them in the head. So where are the white liberal women protesting on behalf of those women in Iran? And I'll tell you why. I'll give you the answer. Iran. The Iranian government backs Hamas, right? So if they protest against the Iranian government, everything they've been protesting for, for Palestine becomes a lie, and they won't do it. So there's this dissonance, there's this logic chasm that they leap over using emotions and flowery words.

[Jillian Michaels]

I think to myself, like, you know, I purposely avoided a lot of the images coming out of Gaza because I was like, I cannot mentally handle this. I did not dive into October 7th.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I.

[Jillian Michaels]

Because I knew how evil.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

And I thought, like, I can't speak on this.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

I don't. I don't want to speak on this. It's a very complex topic, and I have no business discussing it. I want to learn about it. I'll interview people about it. But I. I do not want to discuss this topic. I'm not capable of it. And what I. What I especially mean by that is. I'll give you an example. I had a young gentleman who's. Who's quite a sweet kid, but he came on and he's like, well, you know, don't you understand that Netanyahu, you see, he funded Hamas. Okay, well, wait for. And he's like. He's like, so, you know, what he was really doing was funding Hamas so that he'd have an excuse to go in and take over. But then I. I'm like, okay, see, I've never even heard this before. But then you go to Dave Rubin, he's like, that's not what happened. And Dave Rubin will kind of lay out how, like, you know, Yasser Arafat was there, and they were hoping to have a friendlier regime, and so they allowed it to go this far. But I can't. This is why it's very dangerous to have a person who does not understand a topic try to speak about something.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

But I'm telling you, it's not that complicated, Julian. Like, the. The Muslims come from the Arab peninsula. And how did. How did Northern Africa become Muslim? How did Asia. Was it by asking nicely? Yeah. No, it was by the sword. Right, right. Where do Jews come from? Judea.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And that's Israel. And, you know, they can narrate it again. There's only 15 million of us. Not only do they have billions, but they have. I mean, millions, you know, and. Billion.

[Jillian Michaels]

Two billion Muslims.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah. But they also have bots. And they've also been working on this while, you know, Jews have been like, oh, maybe if we're quiet, they'll leave us alone. They've been, you know, Planning this for 40 years, this PR campaign with bots, with, you know, all of their people, with, you know, all of the places that they've colonized. And so the only way we can fight back is by aligning ourselves with Indians and Christians because the Indians are dealing with the same shit.

[Jillian Michaels]

Sorry, what?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah, the Indians in Kashmir, a bunch of Islamists just massacred a bunch of people on a bus not too long ago. So the. The Indians. Of which there's many.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Are dealing with the same Islamist problem.

[Jillian Michaels]

Are you serious?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Of course.

[Jillian Michaels]

Never hear about this.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Of course.

[Jillian Michaels]

I feel so freaking stupid. I never hear about this. I just see the uk.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

No, no, no. Paris. Well, yeah. Germany. Yeah. No, there's. There's a. You know, Pakistan versus India has been long standing, but that was a. Yeah. Versus Hindu. Yeah. So we have to.

[Jillian Michaels]

Religious war.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they always say it's about land, but it's not land. It's never about land. Why do they want Israel? Like, literally, you can drive Israel. It's so. It's like the size of New Jersey, right? What? You know, and you look at the map, it's like a dot. And the rest of it is like Islam, dot. Israel, you know, Israel. It's not about land, never about land. It's about a caliphate. It's about taking out the one bastion of democracy that's holding up the spread of Islam.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, in Iran today, all of a sudden, right? I mean, I remember there was the brief moment where the women rose up because that young girl's hair had been showing out of her hijab, and they brutally beat her to death and raped her. The. The women rose up. They were all put down. And. Okay, so now here we are. And they've taken to the streets en masse for almost a month now.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

En masse. More than a month.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, why now? Is it because they saw Trump take out Maduro?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I think it's because Trump took out the missiles, the nuclear capabilities, Project Hammer

[Jillian Michaels]

or whatever the hell the 12 day war. Got it with Israel. Got it.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Exactly. I think that they know they have a friend who's not afraid of the regime. So let me take you back a little bit, okay? Please. So Hillary Clinton, when she was Secretary of State, gave Iran uranium. So the whole policy of the Democratic Party has been to kick the can down the road. Okay? Let's give them a little bit to hold them over, say that we have a nuclear deal and leave it for the next administration to deal with. That's been the policy, Right? So, yeah, so she gave them uranium. Obama gave them money, lots of money for oil.

[Jillian Michaels]

Correct?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Well, it was to basically tone down their nuclear ambitions. Right? So it's almost like, oh, my God,

[Jillian Michaels]

I thought the plane full of money was for oil.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

No, no, no. It's basically to buy them off. And then Biden took off all the sanctions on them to the tune of billions of dollars, you know, to. To again, kick the can down the road. It's all a placating game. And.

[Jillian Michaels]

But they're taking that money and they're funding terror all over the world.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

All over the world.

[Jillian Michaels]

And.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And using it to build missiles and to, you know, fulfill their nuclear ambitions and all of that. And. And the whole point of Iran becoming nuclear, and they keep coming out. Like, their president came out yesterday and was like, we just want to use it for energy.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, we want.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

We want to turn the lights on. No, the Whole point is that if they become a nuclear country, the next time one of their proxies bombs Israel, they can say, you fight back, we nuke you. Yeah, right. So it's about domination of the Middle East.

[Jillian Michaels]

Right.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And it's so funny on my, like, X people always like, yeah, I'm sure the American taxpayer is going to pay for this war. And I'm like, do you think a nuclear Iran, the American taxpayer is not going to pay for that? You think it's not going to come over here?

[Jillian Michaels]

Let's talk about that for a second. America only. America first.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

A free E. Wrong. Unless. My son was asking me about this yesterday, and I was like, look, honey, I'm certainly not an expert. He's going to be 14. Very political. Yes.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I love that. Of course he is very political.

[Jillian Michaels]

I like, you know, and he has access to all of it. And so he was giving me a bunch of questions. He wants me to ask Bill O'Reilly about it, which is, I'm like, oh, my God, you're 14. Can you play baseball? So, but, but basically he's, he's like, well, wouldn't America first, like, if Iran was free, wouldn't that be bad for Russia? I'm doing his little voice. Bad for China. You know, those, like, don't we want to not allow them to have that sort of leverage with the oil? And why is he smarter Stabilize the Middle East? Mom, if you're telling me they're the number one funders of terror outside Qatar, like, isn't that America for, doesn't that bring our oil down? Isn't that actually in our best interest? And I was like, well, you know what, honey? What's interesting is I think there's a debate over what America first means. Does it mean America only? Right. Or what's best for America? But you could talk to Marjorie Taylor Greene and she'll tell you, well, like, Jillian, listen, like, I just want to make sure our roads are working, our schools are good. Like, I don't care what goes on in Iran. But then if you tie it back in other ways, it's like, but, but oil affects the cost of living across the board.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Exactly.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, if you're not so worried about terror being here, they should worry.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It already is here, you know, but,

[Jillian Michaels]

but, so, so I've, I've been very confused about that because I would argue that it's probably one of the best things for America to have a free Iran for all the reasons we just discussed. But now Hillary gives them uranium, Biden or I'm sorry, Obama gives them cash. Trump in 2016. And I remember this takes out Soleimani, right? Wipes out isis, sanctions shut out of Iran. Right. Sanctions bankrupts the regime.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

And says, I will not have a nuclear Iran.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right. I.

[Jillian Michaels]

When he was elected in 2016, I cried. I was so upset. Not tears of joy, okay. I was like, oh my God, Hitler has just been elected. I was all the way down this rabbit hole.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Can I ask you a question?

[Jillian Michaels]

Please.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I have the smartest friends being like, I'm really worried about democracy. I know I have the smartest friends, like, actually bank this. You're so smart. How, how are they able to convince you that he's Hitler?

[Jillian Michaels]

Well, okay, so no, at this time, you're only. Here's the problem. You are only. You're watching cnn, you're reading the New York Post, you're reading the Los Angeles Times, you're reading the Huffington Post, you're watching the most credible news organizations with the most renowned journalists in the world, and they are telling you he is Hitler. And he doesn't do himself any favors with some of the rhetoric, right? He comes down the frickin escalator and he's like, they're giving us all their criminals and our scumbags and they're this and they're that. I grew up in California, right? So, you know, the Latin people to me are not criminals and scumbags. Yeah, you have the cartels over there, but en masse are kind of great people. So you're like, oh my God, you just called like the frickin. My son's first grade teacher. And this one and that one or whatever. I've. All these people that I've grown up with, all these horrible things. You're a racist and you're going to block Muslims from coming in. You're an uber duber. Uber, uber duber racist. And. And you, you. And then all of a sudden you have Russia Gate. So now you're like, oh my God, no wonder you're this way. You're Putin's puppet. You're his puppet, you're a Russian puppet. And. And you rigged the election. I'll never forget, I watched a documentary on Netflix, I swear to God, about how they rigged the election. And it had to do with, okay, they got like some, I can't remember the name of. It was like encyclopedia, some organization to run propaganda. Pizza Gate being one of them. So what they did supposedly was they identified swing voters in swing states and they deliberately served them this propaganda of like, if Hillary Clinton didn't like or like, if a person searched rat poison, for example, okay, they knew your search and they would send you a fake story about how Hillary Clinton had a pet rat and you're like, oh my God. They, he stole the election. All of this is true. And all of a sudden, one by one. Because my wife is actually a conservative and we met in 20.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Where's she from?

[Jillian Michaels]

She's a New Yorker. No, but like originally a full blooded Italian.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Italian from New York, but the whole

[Jillian Michaels]

family is like, got it.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Full blooded Italian.

[Jillian Michaels]

Like I like a full blooded Sicilian at home. It can get scary at times. So lovely woman, but very fiery. So she's pro Trump and she's like, you, you know, you have no idea the hypocrisy on your side. You guys think you're better than everyone else. I didn't see any of it until all of a sudden, Trump's wiping out isis, Trump is going after Iran and you're like, wait a minute here. The economy starts to do well. He's calling out China and I'm like, well, he's going to be impeached for sure because of Russiagate, right? There's nothing there. This is before it was all leaked out that this was baloney. Right? So he doesn't end up going to jail for Russiagate. And now we hit Covid and he, despite the fact, I, you know, I appreciate that he did lock down the country at first, but he did keep saying like, guys, it's a bad flu, like, we can't actually continue this. We cannot do this. Now I also know that he was like, look at these awesome vaccines. But that's. Trump is kind of a shiny. He's sort of a guy, you know, he is, he's gonna, he's not, that's not his area of expertise to sort of. I wonder how we fast track this. I wonder about. He's like, we gotta get the country up and running.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right?

[Jillian Michaels]

Like, we've got this awesome vaccine, we're gonna get back to working right away. And on the other hand, you've got the Democrats saying, I would never take his vaccine. And then the minute he's out of office, they're going after everybody who won't take the vaccine.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

And I didn't vote in 2020 because I thought, you know something, I'm not a Biden fan. Still not so sure about Trump. I think I'm going to sit this one out because I can't make an educated decision. I really don't trust myself because I Don't like either one of these people. As far as I can tell, Biden gets way worse. And all of a sudden I start to see the Twitter files, the Facebook files. I start to learn how I've been played across the board and it unfolded from there. I don't know how we got in this long journey.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

No. I'm so fascinated.

[Jillian Michaels]

Iran. So now it's Trump's back in office and I'm waiting for him to take action on Iran. I'm like, I don't understand it. Like, he's bankrupted Iran before. He says he won't allow a nuclear Iran. Like, I don't, I don't get the diplomacy. And you've got the 12 day war and he wipes out all the airports. And I'm like, aha. I knew there was going to be something that was going to happen here. Okay, it's January. The people are in the streets.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yep.

[Jillian Michaels]

Let's get to. First of all, they think they've got an ally on Trump. He says help is on the way, but doesn't send anyone.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And let me explain that. That, let me explain that.

[Jillian Michaels]

Because you told them to go and they're dying in the streets.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah, well, it wasn't just him that told them to go, you know. No, the Reza Pahlavi actually told them to go as well. The Shah's son.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

The exiled prince.

[Jillian Michaels]

Understood. And where in the world, by the way?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

He's, he's kind of all over. He was, you know, just in Europe, but he's here. Okay. You know, his family's here too. Okay. But, but I think that at the time he was like, let's go in and wipe them out. But I think he got information about how the mullahs have decentralized the decision making process. What do I mean by that? If he just goes out and takes out Khomeini. Khomeini's already said who his predecessor is going to be. And also every province has its own decision making capabilities. So it's not that you just take out one person and regime change happens. It's not as simple as that. And so Trump doesn't like to lose. We know this.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

He wants to go in. He doesn't want a forever war, but he needs to go in in such a way that a, he's successful, doesn't lose face and doesn't put, you know, troops on the ground. So I think what he did is he pulled back and he has to do this more intelligently. Now. You have to understand, Julian, also, like they know stuff we don't know.

[Jillian Michaels]

Of course.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right. I mean, I hear stuff because I'm kind of involved politically. You hear stuff. But he needs to do it intelligently, strategically, and in the right way that he's going to be successful. Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

Because I am told this could go very far south.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right. So I think that the way he's doing it is very correct. I'm. I'm terrified at the amount of people that have passed away. I'm hearing ninety thousand. I'm hearing ninety thousand.

[Jillian Michaels]

Gaza was like, 35.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah. 35,000 over two years. This was ninety thousand over, like, days. No, days. Literally days. And I've heard, you know, testimonials coming out of Iran. Like, I don't even want to be alive for what I've seen.

[Jillian Michaels]

I know.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Like, I cannot talk about it. Yeah. It's.

[Jillian Michaels]

It is the most. My wife is horrific. You gotta put down the phone.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes.

[Jillian Michaels]

And I'm like, I don't know what to do. She's like, you can't do anything, honey. I'm like, yes, you can.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And you're doing it right now.

[Jillian Michaels]

I'm talking to you. But, yeah. What do we do?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I think we keep it top of mind.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And it's been a little frustrating. I've been hearing a lot about it. Like, even me, you know, with some of the, you know, transgender and minor stuff that I've been speaking on recently, and, you know, the mother of the journalist that was, you know, kidnapped, the news kind of shifted away from Nancy Guthrie for weeks. And it's like.

[Jillian Michaels]

It's a terribly sad story, but, yes, very clear that we're probably not getting her back.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Well, either way, I think the frustration bringing it back to Iran is that, why aren't we talking about Iran? So the fact that we're even having this conversation. Conversation. And you're platforming voices like Brigitte Gabriel, like Gad Saad, like myself. You know, that's what we can do, is to let these people know you're not alone. You know, there was just a march in four cities. A million people came out. A million people. And they see that stuff. You know, there's Starlink. They've cut off the Internet, but Trump has brought in a lot of Starlink with Elon Musk's help, so that we can get images out and we can get information in, and they see that, and it empowers them. But I'll tell you what's different this time is it's everybody. It's not just the women. It's not just the young people. It's rich people, poor people, young people, old people, women, men. It's not just three or four provinces. It's every province. And I think one of the big deals and what also happened in 1979 is the shopkeepers came out. The shopkeepers. When the shopkeepers shut down the stores and you can't buy food and you can't buy bread, and you can't live, that's when real change happens. And this time, the shopkeepers came out. And they came out because the value of the Iranian money is zero. Now imagine you work 30 years, you have a savings, you wake up one day, and it's worth nothing.

[Jillian Michaels]

This happened over the course of the month, correct?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It was, like, worth five. Yeah, five of five. It's like 250,000 to the dollar. It was like seven to the dollar when we left Iran.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, my God.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Now it's like $250,000 to the dollar. So their money is worth nothing. Everything they've worked their entire lives for is nothing.

[Jillian Michaels]

They have no water, nothing to lose.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I mean, you know, there's areas that they do. Like, I have patients that, you know, go back and forth to Iran. I can't go back. I haven't been back in, you know, since 1985 when we left. And I didn't think I'd ever be able to go back, and neither did anybody else in our family. But I just want to say, like, that's real asylum, too. If we can just touch on that. You know, looking at all these Somalis and all your Muslim, like, the people they're crying for, we can't let them in. Where do they go vacation, Jillian? In their home countries that they claimed asylum from? You know what happened to me? One of my patients went to Iran, and they stopped her in the airport, and they said, what's your relation to Dr. Sheila Nazarian?

[Jillian Michaels]

God, seriously, I can't go back.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

That's real asylum. Not, I'm gonna go vacation in the. In the country I'm claiming to be asylum from.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, I worked for the United nations refugee agency because for some reason, this has always. This kind of issue has always really upset me. And I learned very quickly the difference between an economic migrant.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

And a true refugee.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

And what makes me exceptionally angry is the fact that you have all these bleeding heart liberals who allow our asylum courts to be backed up for seven years by people who are bullshitting the system like Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who beats his wife, is a suspected human trafficker. A gang member. And then you have true refugees whose lives are threatened and this bastard claims asylum and you hold a vigil. And I just, I'm like, I think like, if you're going to speak, if you're going to speak, you have an obligation to educate yourself. I will not speak if I do not think I have a solid amount

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

of understanding on the subject. So many people do. Like, I don't know if you saw there was like a street interview with lesbians actually in San Francisco. And they went to them and they're like, so are you pro Palestine? They're like, yes. You know, we're, we're, we're progressive. And yes, so we're, so we are therefore, because we are progressive, we are pro Palestine. And then he's like, well, did you know? And he shows them in an interview he did in Gaza. Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Where they throw gays.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah. Is it better? Would you rather have your son be a murderer or gay? And they're like a murderer. And then you see their faces, you know, these San Francisco. And they're like, oh, I didn't know that. It's like, then why are you so. Why are you screaming about it?

[Jillian Michaels]

Shut up.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It's so frustrating. And, and now they're like, colleagues of mine will scream at me like on the Internet, you know, colleagues of mine that I see at meetings that I've known for years, telling me what Islam is, telling me what the Middle east is, when they're like a white liberal woman living in like, I don't know, Scottsdale or something. Scottsdale.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Let me explain to you why we need to go into Iran for all the people that are like, Iran's not our problem. Why are we sending our. And I have that too. I have, you know, women on my social media that are like, my son's in the military. I don't want my son to go to war.

[Jillian Michaels]

And it's hard to argue with that.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It's tough to argue with that. But if we don't take care of it now, when Iran's at its weakest, they're still enriching uranium. They had satellite images of them trying to hide stuff yesterday, you know, under like cement bunkers. So this problem isn't going to go away and you're just going to leave a stronger, nuclearly capable Iran for your child's child. So might as well take them out now when they're at their weakest.

[Jillian Michaels]

Right.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

So that this doesn't become a problem for our children. Because if you don't think they have capability to bomb America, they do, right? They have those long range missiles now,

[Jillian Michaels]

which is part of the reason, is it not that we want to have Greenland so we can operate a system from space, I guess, that can take these long range missiles out.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It's not just that it's too close for comfort. We can't have China. China's already trying to take over most parts of Africa. Yeah, all the, all the, you know, mineral rich, you know, all of that. Like I was just in South Africa and literally they're like, China's like coming to take over. Like they're Buying ports, they're buying, like, land. We can't be this America, only we live in this silo and nothing else that happens anywhere else in the world affects us. That's just not the reality of this universe. We have to prevent threats in the future. And I think Trump is like a president who fully gets it. Fully gets it. Like, I have faith in the man. It's the first time that I look at a president and I'm like, he understands who the mullahs are, he understands who Hamas is, he understands who China is, he understands who Russia is. And I love it because he's like, I have a great relationship with Putin. But you think he doesn't know who Putin is? Like, of course he does, but he's playing the game. You don't think he knows what Qatar is? He knows exactly who Qatar is, but he's playing the game.

[Jillian Michaels]

You just frickin had this conversation about the Muslim Brotherhood because this show will air after yours with Raymond Ibrahim about radical Islam. And I was saying, you know, we don't label them a terror organization here in America, and yet the. The Muslim Brotherhood is labeled a terror organization in Saudi and the uae.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

We just moved to name them a terrorist organization.

[Jillian Michaels]

Did we? Yes, because I thought maybe the reason is because Trump is, is going, okay, look, I gotta, I gotta. Peace negotiations going on in Gaza, trying to expand the Abraham Accords. I've now got the situation in Iran that's going to have to be dealt with. It's coming to a head. I need cooperation. I cannot not have these, our air bases on their fricking country. Not the time to be labeling the Muslim Brotherhood a terror organization. Because Qatar funds them.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes, they do.

[Jillian Michaels]

So I can, like in that moment, you know, I wish he didn't take the damn plane. Because.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Can I explain the plane?

[Jillian Michaels]

Yes, because. Because then people blame it on the plane.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Listen, you're half Arab, right?

[Jillian Michaels]

I am.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Okay. What happens if someone offers you food and you don't take it?

[Jillian Michaels]

Do you really think it's that?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah, I really do. Because you know what happened the next day? Idan Alexander, the hostage of the Israeli hazards, a young man from New Jersey, got released after he took the plane. He took the plane. He's not gonna use the freaking plane, Jillian. He's gonna. If he takes it, he's gutting the shit out of it. Cause it's bugged.

[Jillian Michaels]

You're right, because it's bugged.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

But he want to give me a plane. Sure, I'll take a plane. Thank you so much. The next Day hostage gets released.

[Jillian Michaels]

You think so?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Who's the only people that have any power over getting hostages released? Who was doing all the negotiations? It was Qatar. He's playing the game. Relax. You think he can't afford a plane?

[Jillian Michaels]

I know. I know it. I thought about that. It's just like sometimes with Trump, it's the optics, and Julian, whatever he does,

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

they're going to make the optics look bad. You're not wrong.

[Jillian Michaels]

You're not.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Whatever he does, you're not wrong. You're like, trump did this. You know.

[Jillian Michaels]

You're not wrong. Sometimes he shoots himself in the foot, though. I'm like, who cares?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Listen, I'm used to, like, the Ayatollah.

[Jillian Michaels]

I don't give a.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

What he says.

[Jillian Michaels]

Here's why. Here's why. I'll tell you the reason why.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Tell me.

[Jillian Michaels]

Because. All right, I keep doing. I always have these questions I think I'm gonna ask my guests, and then it goes off on its own. I just give up on it because it's like it's its own, you know, own fantastic conversation. Here's why. I'm working on a book that looks at the ways in which big Ag and big food and big pharma and big insurance have interlocked and essentially made us all fat, sick and nearly dead.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yep.

[Jillian Michaels]

It is so deep and it is so scary what you end up uncovering that. I don't sleep at night. And I. I was actually just writing this piece about the Ford foundation, and it talks about the way the Ford foundation worked. It talks. My research talks. My chapter now talks about the ways in which the Ford foundation and the CIA. I swear to God, you cannot make this up. Captured the left because the left was anti war, anti big business, essentially. Captured the left, neutered them, and made them their watchdog. And it's. This is where we got all of our DEI language. And it's like, don't go after Coca Cola because they're serving people of color sugar water.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

If you point that out, you're racist. You're ableist. It's diabolical the ways in which they orchestrated our mindset to believe the war was horizontal.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

With each other.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

When the war is vertical with them and them actually fucking exists. There is actually a them, and it's Fink and it's Soros and it's Gates and it's the Rockefeller family. It's like it. So what ends up upsetting me when Trump does it is because it continues to perpetuate the horizontal fight for no Reason.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

But I feel like he's the one bringing all this to light. What horizontal fight? He's not the one creating the horizontal fight, Julian. It's.

[Jillian Michaels]

I know.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It's the left.

[Jillian Michaels]

I agree.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It's the left.

[Jillian Michaels]

I agree.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

You know, I agree. If. If. When you were a Democrat and you walked into a Republican room, did anybody not talk to you? Did anybody say, we hate you? Did they say, you're evil? Get out of this room? No, but how many. Once you left, how many? They won't even show for the conversation

[Jillian Michaels]

because you're the deplorable.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

They can't even be in a room with you.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

They can't even speak to you because they will not validate who's the divisive one. I agree with you, but.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

No, but you're the racist. You're the ist. Yeah, they're the morally superior ones. You know. You know, we talked about the journalists that you like, listen to so much, so I was. I was asked to moderate or actually, like, be on stage with two Pulitzer Prize winning journalists. Did you see this?

[Jillian Michaels]

Patel, everybody?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Did you see this? Incredible. It's on YouTube. It is?

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, it is.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh, my God. And you know, the. And the NPR reporter was interviewing them, and they were using words like genocide, apartheid, colonial state against Israel. So half this group was like, we're not gonna come if you don't go be on stage, too. So I was like, fine, I'll come. And so I sit on stage, and first she's like, trump's a fascist. So I'm like, define fascist. She can't. She's a Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times journalist, can't define the word fascist. She had to pull out her phone and read it. And I'm like, okay, well, how's Trump that? She couldn't answer the question. She's like, well, it's just what people say, okay. Then she starts talking about starvation in Gaza. I'm like, well, there's 5, 000 calories per person entering per day. So that would lead to obesity if they were actually getting the food. Who is preventing them from getting the food? Let's talk about. So everything she said knocked it down. And then she looks at me and she goes, you know, I know a lot of Republicans, but they're not as educated as you. And I was like, I don't think.

[Jillian Michaels]

I didn't see this.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I didn't.

[Jillian Michaels]

I was like, okay, because there's one where you're on. On a stool on stage.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

That's Jubilee. That's Jubilee. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, but.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, maybe, Maybe. I'm sorry, but I was literally looking

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

at her and I was like, holy. You said it. Like, you think Republicans are all rednecks because these. They've taken over, like, the college space. Right. So they associate liberalism with intelligence and higher education. These are children whose brain isn't big. Right, Exactly. No, but just, like, even their professors, you know? And again, I went to Columbia. Right. So she literally said, like. Like, to the effect Republicans are rednecks and are uneducated and that's who they are. They're farmers. Like, whatever. Not farmers are, like, super smart and they're great business people. Whatever. But it was just so shocking to me how the liberals view the Republican versus Republicans are like, oh, you know, they just want to be good people. They haven't like, been out in real life. Maybe they haven't run their own business. Maybe they haven't lived in a country that's actually socialist. So they see that that doesn't work, and it's against human nature. You know, it's this. It's this need for moral superiority and for them to feel like they're a good person.

[Jillian Michaels]

You're 100.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

That's why you have these signs. You know, love is. You know, love lives here. And, like, you know what I'm talking about? Like, oh, my God.

[Jillian Michaels]

My favorite is when they go after, like, the black ice officer.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh, yeah. Or the gay. Or the gay. Did you see that?

[Jillian Michaels]

Like, the gay.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh, my God.

[Jillian Michaels]

The gay guy who's like, we know you've given up. Yeah. And you don't care. I thought that was a. But I'm like, none of this is real. Anything that doesn't align with the way you think. I watch Hillary Clinton now.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh, my God. Evil. She's evil. I think she's evil. I do. I think she's evil.

[Jillian Michaels]

I can't.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

How many people in our administration drowned? No.

[Jillian Michaels]

Seth Rich, the guy that Obama, too, supposedly allowed the podesta emails out about. Pizzagate, which I thought was bananas. Yep. But I watched this woman, and I think I loved her.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

You did.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, God. Oh, my God. Are you ready?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Not only did I love, like, Condoleezza Rice. Oh, my God. Like, give me her. As the first female president.

[Jillian Michaels]

She's a Rhodes scholar.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

She's like.

[Jillian Michaels]

I'm thinking, oh, okay. She was incredible. Senator of New York. She's unbelievably educated. She's at the time, you have to appreciate this is not the Democratic Party that I grew up with. So you could watch Them all talk about, you know, listen, abortion, very complex issue. Legal, safe, rare. Borders have to be closed. You gotta vet people, gotta like it was a very different party back in the day.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

So.

[Jillian Michaels]

So you, you gotta at least give it that. I worked on their health initiatives which by the way went nowhere, but no administrations does. We're getting a little bit of traction.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Traction.

[Jillian Michaels]

Getting some traction with Maha and I just thought like she was gonna be great. And now I watch her and every single thing that comes out of her mouth is a lie. And I know it's a lie.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, you know, like my husband deported people more than Trump. But. But no one got hurt. And I'm like.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Because, yeah, because you are fighting back.

[Jillian Michaels]

There were no sanctuary cities. Yes, yes, because the Republicans worked with your husband to pass legislation for him to be able to do so. They didn't turn around and call him Hitler and they didn't weaponize the blue collar people to go after ICE as though they were Gestapo.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Well, they're fighting for their survival. I mean these sanctuary states they've had. So California, you know, it's a number one number of U haul rentals of people renting you all to leave. Right. So they actually lost a House seat because the census Obama changed it to include everyone, not just citizens.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yes.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

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[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes, they did. Remember when Nancy Pelosi came out, she said she wants to give free houses to illegal immigrants and interest free home and interest free home loans. Why? Because they wanted their house seat back. They need that power in the House of Representatives because apportionment gives you the number of house seats based on your population. And it used to be citizens, but then Obama changed it to just bodies. So these sanctuary states and sanctuary cities happened and they're giving out free cell phones and food vouchers and all this stuff because they're like, come here, we need your bodies so we can get more representatives in the House and have more power. This is all just a power grab. Always is. Has nothing to do with empathy, emotions, nothing. It's a power grab. And right now, I swear to God, I feel like if we just counted Citizens like the Democrats would be dead. Like there would be no party. Because the majority of America doesn't want open borders. They don't want boys playing in girls sports. You know, I have, my 14 year old daughter was a basketball player. I would never want her to play against a boy. It's already such a physical sport. Have you watched girls basketball recently? Can you imagine if a boy was on the court? It's insane. And I feel like the majority of Americans are at common sense. They want sanity. They want to go back to give their kids the childhood they had. Right. Go play in the front yard, ride your bike to the mall with your friends. We can't do that anymore. Nothing's safe.

[Jillian Michaels]

No.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

You know, and we just want safety back, we want common sense back. That's the majority of America. But then you have this loud, liberal white woman, 10% that, you know, is running her car into an ICE officer and you know, screaming at me, trying to tell me what the Middle east is when they've never even been there or lived there, trying to, you know, say maduro, we shouldn't go after him because he, you know, he's a, he's an official.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, my God. I know. A sovereign nation. I like. No, he's an illegitimate.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes.

[Jillian Michaels]

Dictator.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Exactly.

[Jillian Michaels]

Rigged the election. And here, here's Chuck Schumer talking about how Trump failed in removing him in term one.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yes.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know what's interesting, Jesse Kelly, I'm not sure if you're familiar, familiar with him. He's a big political pundit, radio show host, and he was saying that they strategically target these women.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh, I know.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, and that's all that they need.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Oh, 100.

[Jillian Michaels]

It's like 11 of the population, but it's all that you need. And look at what has happened. And I, I've got to be honest, I can see the vulnerability.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Because I, I have it. So. And in saying that, I want to circle back to this one thing because I, I want to ask.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It's so funny, you come up as such like a tough person and you're like, I am the liberal white woman.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, I am. Oh, my God, I am. I, I, like, I understand it.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Which is good.

[Jillian Michaels]

I mean, I understand it very much because what it is, it is like a, I watched another woman really lay this out and I can't remember where I saw it, but she nailed it. And she's like, I think women, you have this kind of like, you get older, this very maternal, this sort of like bleeding heart. I think that we're designed to have this, but then the yin on that yang, and I don't. Listen, I'm not trying to say women cannot be very, like, methodical and. Yeah, you know, I. I could be absolutely. I can. I could easily not label the Muslim Brotherhood a terror organization if I could. You know, if I thought it was gonna point me, I could think things through. I'm trying to right now. However, you know, men tend to be a bit more methodical and surgical about things, in my observation. And so I think that what happens is this can be weaponized.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

And misdirected. And then, unfortunately, no one takes the time to educate themselves about where they're placing those emotions. I have always had them for some reason when it comes to refugees, which is why it's so funny to enter into these immigration conversations, because I'm like, what have you ever done? What did you do to help immigrants? Ever? Did you. Did you work on legislation? Do you even know the legislation that's. That's on the table right now? Have you ever heard of the dignity bill, for example? Have you ever written your congressperson and asked them to pass immigration reform? Have you ever donated to a person who's a refugee? Have you ever, like, zero Billie Eilish, right? Go fuck yourself. You know nothing. You do nothing, and you know nothing.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

No, I literally saw her at Coachella. I posted this on my ex, like, two weeks ago ago. I saw a Coachella Jillian. I love her music. She. She's the dumbest person. Like, in between the riffs when she was talking, I was. My mouth was on the floor. She was like word salad. And I know she's young. Listen, I'll give her that 25.

[Jillian Michaels]

I said that to my daughter. I go, well, she's young. She goes, she was 25.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Like, she was probably a 21 when I saw her. But, like, it. I. I was afraid for the youth of America. Between her and the lyrics of Megan Thee Stallion. And then the girls being like, lick this and put your nose in it like a credit card. And they're, like, chanting. These are. I was just like. Literally, I was. I was at the front. Me and my husband, like, we're trying to escape and get the hell out of there. Because it was. I was afraid for America. Yeah, I really was.

[Jillian Michaels]

I get it.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

She's so dumb.

[Jillian Michaels]

She. That's the problem is that, you know, where you watch all these, like, these billionaires or these very wealthy celebrities with their bleeding hearts, like, outside of the pin, what are you up to?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

They're not even bleeding hearts. If they're bleeding hearts, they'd be speaking up about Iran. And they're not, right? They're not even bleeding hearts. They are robots for the Democratic Party. They're bots.

[Jillian Michaels]

Well, a lot of them were paid, Lindy Lee.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, so, so hold on. So now here I am, and there's not a day that goes by that I don't sit here and I've talked about this now ad nauseam and refresh my browser and just hope to God we've gone into Iran.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I do that every day.

[Jillian Michaels]

When I was like, then I, I stop myself and I think about, okay, we don't want another Iraq. We don't know another.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

You know, it's not gonna.

[Jillian Michaels]

We don't want a worse regime taking over. We don't want, you know, we've seen all this. It hasn't gone well in the Middle East. Like, are we going to be going into the. I don't even know. Landscape of Iran? But we all know how it turned out in Afghanistan.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Those are Arabs. Again, you have to, you, you have to separate out the Middle East.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, but you said that, like, the, the, the mullahs have tentacles. So now are we chasing them down into God knows where somewhere?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I'll tell you. It's. You know, I was on Fox last night.

[Jillian Michaels]

Who comes in?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Listen, who comes in? I think, I think that's what I want to know. Well, right now, going to run the country. Another.

[Jillian Michaels]

You've said it requires an iron fist, right? I'm done talking.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It does. It requires an iron. I'm done talking, you dog. It does. And, and that's another thing that I think people don't understand. And it was a big criticism of the shot. You know, he had his people. That would keep the Islamists down and that would keep people in order. And you do need some of that. And I think that the hesitation for Prince Pahlavi taking over or being the transitional person, is he tough enough to do that? You know, because he's so pure. He's such a nice guy.

[Jillian Michaels]

Is he really?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

He's so amazing. And, but the question becomes, is he tough enough to hold down the 8 or 9 million Islamist crazies that are gonna remain there? And so again, I discussed this on Fox News last night. You know, it's not about taking out this paper tiger. That's the mullahs. That's gonna be the relatively easy part. What do you do with the 9 million crazies that live there? So people are like, oh, when the regime goes down, we can visit. And I'm like, I'm not gonna visit until all those people are in jail.

[Jillian Michaels]

Got it.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

You know, because you could be walking down the street, and they're like, that's Sheila Nazarian.

[Jillian Michaels]

Night, Night.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Night. Exactly. So there's so much talent there, Gillian. In Evan prison, all the intelligentsia, all the professors have been imprisoned. There's so much talent. So I think, you know, with Prince Pahlavi, who are now. They're chanting in the streets that they want him back. That didn't happen before either, by the way. This is new.

[Jillian Michaels]

I've seen it.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Like, this is our choice, so. And he doesn't want to be the king. He just wants to, you know, be a transitional figure until they can bring democracy to Iran. And so. And I have to tell you again, just going back, you know, in 2021, is when I started my activism, and I lost 3,000 followers in the first 30 minutes, but I just, like, kept going. I was like, you know what? I did everything. I have the hat house. I have the job. I did everything I set out to do, and if I lose everything, it.

[Jillian Michaels]

I think about that, I'm like, I own the house outright.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

I'm like, when they debank me and

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

they do this, and I thought I was gonna lose my whole business, but the opposite happened. The opposite happened. It's like the story of Abraham. You know, you work like, he wanted a son, and what did God tell him? To go sacrifice your son. Right? And he was gonna go sacrifice his son. And what did God do? The last minute, he said, you can keep your son, and I'm gonna give you Israel. And I feel like that's what happened to me. You know, I was going to sacrifice it all, and God said, you know what? Keep your job. Why am I on your show? If I was a plastic surgeon in my little office making boobs bigger, would you have me on your show? I actually would. Maybe I would. I'm like.

[Jillian Michaels]

I used to actually talk about that stuff all the time because it's super fun. I don't like filler. Like, what about fat transfer?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Can I put it here?

[Jillian Michaels]

I love taking my ass, putting it in my face.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Like, listen, I'm not above those conversations. No. I am 50 years old, for God's sake. Me being on, like, Fox News or me being on, you know, getting humanitarian awards and, like, all this stuff, none of that would have happened. If I was just like, money, money, money. Make boobs bigger. Botox in my office, none of that would have happened. But I was scared. I was scared for my life. I carry a gun. Like, I was, you know, I was scared for my life. I was getting threats. I'm, like, best friends with the lapd. Like, you know, but it was all worth it. And I highly. I just want to get that word out there, too. It's worth it. My parents didn't escape Iran for me to not have my freedom of speech. Say what you think, engage in conversations, bring conversations back. It's. So that's America. That's why people risk their lives to come here, is because they can speak freely, they can worship freely. Even though I'm brown and I didn't speak English, and I lost my mom when I was 16, and I had zero connection, zero money. This is America, and I made it, you know, because if you have grit and talent and you work hard, nothing is holding you down here. I would have never had that in Iran. I would have never had that. And here they say, racism, racism, racism. Okay, if that guy won't give you a job, the building down the street will. And Iran, you're a Jew, no job. I think that's.

[Jillian Michaels]

I think that weapon at that narrative is on purpose, because when you infantilize somebody and you tell them they're a victim, you've taken away their ability to change their circumstance. And that ability is empowerment.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It's a joystick to control people completely. So. And it's the same thing with Palestinians. They won't let them succeed. They won't let them thrive. They won't let them make money. They don't invest in infrastructure. They don't invest in their education because they'll lose the faucet of money coming in and donations, and they use them as a joystick. And they're doing the same thing with black people in America. And I've spoken to black pastors about this on my social media. They tell them, literally, because of your skin color, no matter what you do, you will never make it. So why even try? And they keep them dependent, and they keep. And they control the population using them as a joystick. It comes from the richest, wealthiest black Americans.

[Jillian Michaels]

That's the part where I'm like, wait, wait a minute, though.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

But wait, they're in on it.

[Jillian Michaels]

Hold on.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

They're in on it. They're monetizing it.

[Jillian Michaels]

It is the richest, wealthiest black Americans that push this narrative. It's the LeBron James. It's the Joy Reeds. It's the Don Lem, it's the Abby Phillips, it's the Philip. It's the. It's. I'm like, wait, hold, hold on.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

What kind of messaging is that to tell a child? And I'll tell you. Plastic surgery residents will come into my office and I'll tell them, you know what? I just want you to know you did it. Like, nothing is stopping you. And they're looking at me like it's the first time they've heard these words. They still think even though they're in medical school or they're in residency, that they're being held down. And I'm like, you made it. You got this. Not, you're so smart, you're so talented. Nothing's holding you back. And they're looking at me like, literally

[Jillian Michaels]

like, you have five heads.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what kind of messaging is that to give a child? You know, when I was growing up, I was so skinny, people made fun of me. They used to drop like skeletons in my backpack during Halloween. I was like, really? Like, I think my elbow was the fattest part of my arm, you know, and. But my mom was always like, you're so beautiful, you're so smart, you're so talented. Nothing is holding you back. That's the kind of language you tell a child. Not, you're brown and no matter how hard you try, you'll never make it because this world is against you. What kind of messaging is that to tell a child?

[Jillian Michaels]

Horrible.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And honestly, it's a national security risk. It is. Because if you tell a child, don't even try. How is that going to. How is that going to make our population smarter? How is that going to lead to innovation? How is that going to lead to advancement of our population? Again, keep them dependent.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

And we use them as a joystick to lead the population in whatever direction we want them to go.

[Jillian Michaels]

Where. Where do people go to to follow all things that you do?

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Where.

[Jillian Michaels]

Where would you be directing them? Your socials.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Yeah. So my Instagram is Dr. Sheila Nazarian on X. I'm Dr. Nazarian. And then, you know, know all the other ones. TikTok, all of that stuff.

[Jillian Michaels]

You are so brave.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

I'm not, though. There's 18 year olds in Israel going into Gaza with guns to fight for their country. I'm speaking words on the Internet and that's considered brave. No, it's the fuck not.

[Jillian Michaels]

We'll see.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

It is not brave.

[Jillian Michaels]

I hope not, but I worry that maybe it is. I really appreciate this conversation. You've given me a ton to think about. You've given the audience a ton to think about. And maybe when this airs, we will

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

have a free Iran. Amen. Inshah. Inshallah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Thank you so much.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Thank you for having me.

[Jillian Michaels]

Wonderful.

[Dr. Sheila Nazarian]

Thank you.

[Jillian Michaels]

Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like, comment, subscribe and share. And make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.