← Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
Donald Trump Jr Drops Bombshells: Thomas Crooks, Gaza, Russia, Iran, Mamdani, 2026 Midterms
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Jillian Michaels
Forget that.
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Jillian Michaels
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Jillian Michaels
To T Mobile.
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Gillian
So we're gonna destroy our middle class to keep funding a war so that Zelensky can hold on for a little bit? No, but we're doing it to save democracy. Well, you didn't because they suspended democracy in Ukraine.
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Donald Trump Jr.
I don't know how a 20 year old kid gets that radicalized with zero digital footprint. Well, he's a narco terrorist and we're shooting his source of income out of the water in the Caribbean rather than killing Americans.
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Gillian
Like I don't know. That actually feels a lot better to.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Me than like lying to the American public about weapons of mass destruction and embroiling us in a 25 year conflict in the Middle east for $7 trillion. He just looked at me and he goes. And now we find out who our real friends are.
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Podcast Host
All right, team, I have a really.
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Jillian Michaels
Special show for you today. Donald Trump Jr. Is here with me and we're talking about everything from talking, Thomas Crooks, Maudani, Russia, Ukraine, Gaza, Iran, the economy, and so much more. All of your questions he's gonna be taking. Here we go.
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Podcast Host
Enjoy the show.
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Jillian Michaels
Keeping it Real with Jillian Michaels. Thank you so much for joining me.
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Donald Trump Jr.
My pleasure.
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Jillian Michaels
I'm pretty friggin excited to talk to you, I'm not gonna lie. But you set me up for this. What the heck was going on in India?
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Donald Trump Jr.
So, yeah, a friend of mine, his daughter was getting married. He's American guy but Indian descent and is like a, by the way, just like an insane experience. I've been invited, I've done a lot of business in India, but always usually just in and out for work. It's like a five day production. He had JLo, he had Cirque du Soleil, Tiesto, black coffee. I mean, every night was like three major performers and it's just wild. So I was like, I had to experience it. I don't even go to my friends weddings anymore. I'm just like, life's too short to go to another wedding. And yet this one, he was persuasive. And so I was like, okay, I'll go. It was pretty wild.
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Jillian Michaels
Well, thank you so much. I'm sorry you're jet lagged. I will let you off the hook. But you are who you are and it's so exciting to talk to you. It's tough. So if you don't mind, I want to start from the top. Your dad, okay, has been called the second coming of Hitler and Jesus. So now as a public figure, I've experienced this in some small, infinitesimal way. You know, people will come up to you and be like, oh, you saved my life. And you're thinking like, I've never even met you before. I don't know your name. I can't take credit for this. And then you'll see somebody say, you know, I can't wait for you to be the next, referring to some of the horrible things that have happened to Charlie Kirk. I experienced this insanity on the smallest scale. What does it feel like for you and your family? And honestly, who are the trumps in that continuum of Jesus to Hitler? Who are the trumps?
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Gillian
Well, I mean, I probably wouldn't be.
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Donald Trump Jr.
A trump if I didn't at least slide closer to the Jesus side. Right? No, listen, it's hard. And you've experienced that. I imagine you also experienced the downside of that one so much more when you simply called out a couple of things that would have otherwise been common sense. Right? When you're agnostic, you don't take a stance, and so many people don't for so long. But after a while, you start watching.
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Gillian
That, you're like, we actually have to.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Say something about this one.
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Gillian
So it's not easy.
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Donald Trump Jr.
But listen, I had Democrats literally tried to throw me in jail. They called my father every name in the book. They tried taking away his businesses. They tried throwing him in jail. They created so much rhetoric that multiple people tried to kill him. That's not awesome. And it's hard sometimes because you get so used to functioning that way, it doesn't even affect you that much. But it does certainly affect your response to something. My kids, they have a problem with something. I'm like, that's not a problem. Look at what we're dealing with over here. But to them, it's everything. They're little and they're young, and it certainly messes with you a lot. I guess I got enough of the Trump gene that it's like, well, I'm sort of backed in that corner. My instinct is just to sort of fight. And so it's what I do. And I guess I've gotten comfortable with it, but it's definitely not fun. But it is also when those same people come up to you and be like, hey, because of you guys, I'm building the wing to my store to expand. And you guys made that possible. And with the tax or whatever it may be, you see these guys, like grown men sometimes, or women coming up with literally tears in their eyes that.
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Gillian
They'Re going to get to experience their American dream.
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Donald Trump Jr.
That makes all of it worth it. But, no, it's certainly not been easy. I think my father. The story I always tell on this one is my father recognized it really early when he ran, when he did that announcement. It was June 16, 2015. And I remember that because it was my daughter's first birthday, and we're getting in the elevator out of Trump Tower, in his office before sort of the infamous escalator ride as sort of depicted on the Simpsons. And he just looked at me and he goes, and now we find out who our real friends are.
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Gillian
And at the time, I was like, cool.
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Donald Trump Jr.
He understands this won't be easy. And I think we probably grossly underestimated just how difficult it would all be. But I think as I Thought about it more in the future and it describes him so well.
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Gillian
It wasn't just that he knew what.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Would happen, it's that he knew what would happen and he did it anyway because it was the right thing to do. And so that's sort of the true testament of the guy who he is. He does the hard things that need to be done, he says the hard things that need to be said. We saw that last July when, you know, when they shot him in the face. And rather than just staying down and hiding, he came up and, you know, we gotta fight. So, you know, it's been a wild journey, but it's been really fascinating to watch.
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Jillian Michaels
There's so much there and I have questions about all of it, but you bring up the guy who shot him in the face and of course now there's new information circulating and everybody has been pretty frickin suspicious of what we've been told so far. But you got a kid that somehow got on a roof that, like, they had eyes on, but didn't shoot until they got the okay. And he had three encrypted cell phones. And if we were to just put all of the politically correct aside, this is what it looks like to me, right? I know this game plan. Game plan, One smear. Make up insane, horrible, awful things. Discredit. That doesn't work. Litigate into the ground. That doesn't work. Debank, you've seen all of this, you've lived all of this. I've lived a fraction of it.
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Podcast Host
And if that doesn't work, it seems.
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Jillian Michaels
Like they tried to kill him. Who is they? Because I don't think it's Thomas Crooks, do you?
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Donald Trump Jr.
Well, you know, again, and I'm. I've gone down the rabbit hole on, you know, a lot of conspiracy theories. I was the first, you know, I got canceled for calling out Covid. When they're like, of course it didn't come from the lab that studies the exact virus in question in the exact town that studies it.
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Gillian
Like, I was like, of course it was.
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Donald Trump Jr.
They're like, well done, you're not a virologist. I go, no, I'm just not retarded. Like, it's not that hard. Like, you don't have to be a virologist to know that it came from, you know, exactly that place. You know, it was very odd to me when, you know, this kid, you know, had no social footprint and that, you know, a guy with a rifle was allowed to get within 130 yards of the presumptive nominee on A party. And the excuse was, well, the roof was, you know, it was a 4 degree pitch slope. I'm like, I don't know, man.
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Gillian
Like, like, you know, you don't have.
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Donald Trump Jr.
To be a rocket scientist to be like, you know, the number one rule in all of these things? Like, you never give up the high ground.
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Gillian
So that seemed odd, you know, I don't know. You know the problem?
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Donald Trump Jr.
I've seen Gillian. And again, like I said, I've gone down the rabbit hole in most of these things and I want. And at the same time, once you get into some of the online bubble, it's like some of the theories just get so insane that you're like, well, maybe that's true, maybe it's not. And oftentimes I'd say your crazy conspiracy theorist uncle has been far more right than any of the narrative that's been fed to you by the media. You know, I just, I don't know enough about the details. I don't know what's real and what's not, what's being pushed and what's not. There is a lot of nonsense out.
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Jillian Michaels
There, but to me, encrypted cell phones. That's three encrypted cell phones. That's insane. And there was a group out of Austin, I'm sure you know this, that shorted your stock. There's only like 12 million shares. And then the day.
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Donald Trump Jr.
See, I haven't seen that. I actually haven't even seen that one yet. I haven't been able to keep track.
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Jillian Michaels
Of Austin private Wells.
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Donald Trump Jr.
And I know a bunch of new stuff. I was telling you, I was literally in India at a friend's wedding for the last week. So I've missed a little bit of some of the newer stuff that's come out. Yeah, well, I mean, I was saying it at the time, I was like, wait a minute, so a 20 year old kid or a 19 year old kid was so radicalized out of thin air with no social footprint, whatever it may be. But again, you know, I don't know what the comms were. I haven't seen any of that. So. But to me, I mean, listen, I think something was designed that there was a break in a chain of communications to allow that to happen, because I know that would never, never feasibly happen to anyone other than Trump. They would never let that happen to Obama. They'd never let someone get into that kind of proximity. So, you know, the whole thing definitely feels, you know, odd to me. But I also, you know, Sean Curran, the guy that's running the Secret Service right now was literally the guy on that stage like, he's a patriot, he's an American. He was the guy pulling my dad off that stage like he's running the Secret Service now. If you know, whatever they come up with and whatever they finalize, like, that's a guy I trust. There's plenty in the bureaucracy and in federal law enforcement. And so the FBI's HRT team raid Mar A Lago. I'm like, why would, why do you need the hostage rescue team to raid Mar A Lago when they're dealing with lawyers and work like that's an intimidation tactic?
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Gillian
So, you know, I'm skeptical of a lot.
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Donald Trump Jr.
You know, I haven't seen what they've come up with recently. So I don't know. And again, I don't know how a 20 year old kid gets that radicalized.
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Gillian
With zero, with zero digital footprint.
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Donald Trump Jr.
That doesn't seem like that would happen. I just don't know. And I hope we get an answer to it, but it has. Sometimes you go down those rabbit holes. It's like, I also want to make sure we actually get to the truth. That's what I, you know, that's what I actually want.
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Jillian Michaels
I was talking to Victor Davis Hanson the other day and we were discussing your family. It's like, you guys are fearless. But there's a quote in Latin, that which nourishes me also destroys me. And I think the fearlessness has gotten all of you this far. But there is legitimate concern that if the Democrats win the midterms, they're going to do okay. Impeached, indicted, a life in prison. Are you guys worried about this? Does it not stop you? Is there any way to prevent that should it happen? Because a lot of people think it's going to be a life and death moment at the midterms.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah, no, listen, I think they have shown they'll do anything. And if, you know, you see the stuff now when you have these guys clearly breaking rules, clearly doing that, and you go through the regular legal process, how dare you weaponize this against like.
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Gillian
What did you do to like Russia.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Russia, Russia was clearly a hoax. Impeachment one was clearly a hoax. Everyone knows that now. I mean, they still talk about Russia, Russia, Russia.
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Gillian
I'm like, you guys spent like $75 million on investigation.
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Donald Trump Jr.
There's nothing there. But you still run with it. So it's rules for me, but not for thee with them. And so the Democrats have shown there's nothing they won't do that's pretty clear. I'm sure, before you pick the side or we're even vocal about some of these issues that are probably 90, 10 issues. It wasn't conservatives that were attacking you for something. It was always the left. You can agree with them on 99% of something, but if you're not that one, you're literally out. You're out of the inner sanctum, your Persona non grata. You know, they'll feed you to the wolves. They've just always played a very different game than we've been playing. And so, you know, I say, you know, I don't care if we decide to play T ball or hardball, we have to be playing the same game as the other side. And, yeah, they're going to start it again. You know, I've sort of just gotten used to that at this point. Like I said, we're probably built a little differently. My dad doesn't really lose sleep over these kinds of things. He just, it just keeps going.
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Jillian Michaels
That's insane. And I say it's insane because again, when you get a small taste of something and it is absolutely grueling to imagine eating a bucket of it of litigation and this, that, the other, I just, I sometimes I'm like, I don't, I don't know how they continue, but I want to talk a little bit about. Let's give your dad his flowers for a moment here. Right, Right. The man has, according to him, squashed roughly eight conflicts around the world. India, Pakistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, drc, Rwanda, Cambodia, Thailand, Serbia, Kosovo, Egypt, Ethiopia. You got a tenuous Gaza ceasefire. And now there are talks going on with Russia and Ukraine. The markets are at an all time high, gas is slowly coming down and infiltration inflation is moderately stable and yet.
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Donald Trump Jr.
It'S actually lower than they even predicted as of today. And so, yeah, okay, but yet you.
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Jillian Michaels
See criticisms that are endless. When I engage somebody, let's say on the left, well, you know, he said it was gonna be more. Everything was gonna go down day one. But we all know that's not possible. And you can hear criticisms on the right. None of this is based in reality. So let's start with. Of all the things your dad has accomplished, closing the border, like lay it out for people right now. Let's give them a little taste of reality, a little dose of reality. Because I feel like everyone is acting like a petulant child. Whether it's maga, oh, I wanted the whole Covid shock gone. I'm like, but you got it off of the schedule. That mandated it for kids when. But it's not good enough. It's never good enough.
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Gillian
Yeah, but you haven't deported 20 million.
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Donald Trump Jr.
People who the prior administration for four.
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Gillian
Four years sent to every state around the country in planes. How did you not find 20 million people yet?
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Donald Trump Jr.
It's like, well, they're working on it. You got to shut down the border.
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Gillian
And you're right, you know, you can't.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Undo four years of disastrous policies overnight.
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Gillian
You know, he's ending wars that, you know, no one wanted ended because, you.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Know, there's no money in peace, Gillian. And so the D.C. beltway, they make a lot of money. I even had Republicans call me when I. I was very vocal against the Ukraine stuff, you know, in the beginning, and sending, you know, countless billions over there.
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Gillian
And I got Republicans calling, no, no, no, Don. But, you know, some of that. Some of that money's coming back to, like, American companies. I was like, yeah, to make missiles. Like, you know, I would rather make cars. You know, it's not. The whole game is insane. I remember, I mean, when my father, during the primary did that, like, CNN town hall, and he's like, they were.
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Donald Trump Jr.
To ask about Russia, Ukraine.
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Gillian
He's like, I just want the death to stop. They're like, how dare? I mean, isn't that, like, the. The answer? Like. Like, the whole audience clap.
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Donald Trump Jr.
But I think it was Kaitlan Khan's.
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Gillian
Like, no, no, no.
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Donald Trump Jr.
But what about this?
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Gillian
It's like, wait, like, a million young guys have died in both of those countries for what? No one in D.C. has even told me what victory looks like yet.
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Donald Trump Jr.
You know, we're in for half a.
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Gillian
Trillion dollars, and no one knows what.
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Donald Trump Jr.
It is, but, like, you know, they're.
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Gillian
Getting their kickbacks, and you read about.
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Donald Trump Jr.
The corruption in Zelensky, and I. I was actually in Monaco earlier this summer.
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Gillian
And I was there, and I'm going.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Around Monaco, which is a pretty rich place, and I was there for two.
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Gillian
Days, and every other car there was.
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Donald Trump Jr.
An Italian supercar, like a Pagani, a.
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Gillian
Bugatti, and this, and they all had Ukraine plates. And I promise you, I went to the Ukraine in the early 2000s.
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Donald Trump Jr.
I visited.
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Gillian
Like, it's not a rich place. They didn't just all magically get $5 million supercars. Like, they're stealing that money, and it's just one big corrupt scandal.
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Donald Trump Jr.
And I guess as long as there's a kickback to a couple of people.
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Gillian
In America, we'll keep it going forever.
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Donald Trump Jr.
It's absolutely insane.
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Gillian
And so when he said, like, I Just want the death to stop. Like, of course that's the right answer.
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Donald Trump Jr.
But it's not the answer anyone wants to hear.
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Jillian Michaels
No. And they're gonna set him up. And so it's like, well, there's a 28 point peace plan now and talks are going on with Russia and Ukraine, but it's favorable to Putin. And I'm thinking, well, because he's winning.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah.
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Gillian
By the way, Zelenskyy's own, like deputy Zelenskyy's deputy last week was like, we're getting like we're bleeding. His quote was, we're bleeding out. They can't keep it going forever.
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Donald Trump Jr.
So they're like, well, America should just.
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Gillian
Spend another few trillion. Hey, Gillian, why don't we mortgage our children and our grandchildren's future away for a war? We don't even know what we're fighting. There's nothing in America's interest to do this. So we're going to destroy our middle.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Class to keep funding a war so.
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Gillian
That Zelensky can hold on for a little bit? No, but we're doing it to save democracy. Well, you didn't because they suspended democracy in Ukraine, because in war they were never gonna have elections.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Because he wasn't winning those elections, he became incredibly unpopular.
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Gillian
People don't talk about the inconvenient fact that eastern Ukraine is basically ethnic Russian. Like, they don't even wanna fight each other. Half those, more than half of those people would probably find being part of Russia to end this nonsense and not.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Have their children slaughtered on a battlefield.
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Gillian
By drones that are dropping hand grenades with like, it's freaking insane. And so, yeah, you know, that's the problem with war. If you're not winning, you don't get.
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Donald Trump Jr.
To dictate the terms all the time.
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Gillian
You know.
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Jillian Michaels
What does success look like here? Because there were off ramps and the Biden administration certainly didn't take them.
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Gillian
They didn't even try.
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Donald Trump Jr.
They didn't even speak to the people. And then, you know, I mean, I remember, cause it was sort of a funny moment in the White House. The, you know, all the memes that came out of like JD Vance with my father, with Zelensky, and he's like, well, you were supposed to sign this deal, I guess at Munich, and then you were supposed to sign it in Paris.
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Gillian
And then you came to the United States and you made what we call.
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Donald Trump Jr.
One of the great blunders of all time, which was trying to renegotiate a deal with Donald Trump on national television.
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Gillian
I'm like, I'm Like, I don't know, probably not the best move. Maybe not the greatest tactician in the.
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Donald Trump Jr.
History of the world.
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Gillian
And people are like, how dare he? I was like, they literally had a plan. This thing was supposed to be signed twice.
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Donald Trump Jr.
And then he wanted to do a show and he tried renegotiating on tv. Like, that's not going to go over well.
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Gillian
And so how many, how many hundreds.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Of thousands more lives got cost so.
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Gillian
They could drag it out for a.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Few more months since that moment?
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Gillian
And it's sick. It's. It's sick.
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Jillian Michaels
It does feel like, what does success look like? I think is the perfect, perfect question. And the reason is because it looks different for everybody. Every American has a different idea of what this means to win, what it means to win in Gaza, what it means to win in the economy, what it means to win in Russia, Ukraine. I don't see how the President can win this. So he's established, I want people to stop dying. The left is going to be like, look, he's a Putin puppet. He gave Putin everything, you know, the right. They obviously wanted to continue for the reasons arguably suggested that it's profitable. What is the administration's North Star? Is that it? I just want people to stop dying because what happens in Gaza, Hamas is now not going to disarm.
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Podcast Host
Maybe.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah, listen, I think it's stopping the death. Ideally, you're trying to normalize relations, create some prosperity in these places so that everyone can succeed on economic level. But you're right, I mean, as the saying goes, if Donald Trump cured cancer tomorrow, they'd be like, but he didn't cure this. He didn't cure something else.
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Gillian
You know, they can't ever win.
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Donald Trump Jr.
The reality is this would have just been a perpetual, never ending war. And I think that's the one thing I think everyone probably agrees. No one wants the never ending wars.
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Gillian
You know, I remember, you know, back.
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Donald Trump Jr.
During the transition and, you know, I don't think any of this is classified, but I was like, so I was there, I was talking with Elon a lot and, you know, obviously Starlink was sort of the use of what they were doing to kind of, you know, communicate in Ukraine because they took out all the other systems. And he was like, so how are they doing? It's like, well, we could just, we could tell where the terminals are and they're moving back every day.
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Gillian
Like Ukraine wasn't making advances.
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Donald Trump Jr.
I don't, you know, I think they did a great job holding, holding it down against a, you know, a pretty sizable Force, obviously, because, you know, we spent half a trillion dollars there, you know, giving them missiles, and what wasn't stolen was probably used on the battlefield.
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Gillian
But, like, they were never actually winning.
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Donald Trump Jr.
So this notion that, well, you know.
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Gillian
A deal that gave, you know, Putin.
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Donald Trump Jr.
One inch of Ukrainian territory is a major failure. I'm like, I don't know, man. I think if you ask the people whose kids are actually dying on the front lines, they'd probably say, we're fine with some of these things. And no different than business. You don't get everything that you want in a negotiation. That's not how it works. If America stopped funding any of this stuff, this thing would be over in two weeks. If it wasn't for my father, basically making Europe actually pay their fair share because this is actually in their backyard, that would be. It would also be over even faster.
- [23:20]
Gillian
And then they get mad because, well, you're taking US Military forces and you're using them to shoot drug boats in the Caribbean.
- [23:28]
Donald Trump Jr.
Like, well, fentanyl kills 100,000Americans a year.
- [23:31]
Gillian
Like, that's two Vietnams a year. And we're just supposed to let that.
- [23:36]
Donald Trump Jr.
Go so we could focus on Ukraine?
- [23:39]
Gillian
I don't know, guys.
- [23:40]
Donald Trump Jr.
I don't think that's in America's best interest. I think, you know, the biggest, you.
- [23:44]
Gillian
Know, the most clear and present danger.
- [23:46]
Donald Trump Jr.
To the United States is 100,000Americans dying a year through the scourge of fentanyl.
- [23:51]
Gillian
That everyone was just.
- [23:53]
Donald Trump Jr.
I mean, they could be fishermen.
- [23:54]
Gillian
I'm like, yeah, fishermen in Venezuela aren't.
- [23:56]
Donald Trump Jr.
Running 50 foot, go fast boats with, you know, quad 450s on the back. That's not a Venezuelan fishing boat. Maybe in Miami, not in Venezuela. And the Democrats are grossly against that.
- [24:09]
Gillian
It's like, man, what side are they on?
- [24:12]
Donald Trump Jr.
It's pretty wild.
- [24:13]
Jillian Michaels
You know, I think part of it, and I wonder about this, is sometimes the way the messaging comes across. So, for example, with something like Tylenol, and I'm shifting for a second, but I promise I'm gonna tie it back to Venezuela. Your dad will get caught in a moment, and he'll say, like, yeah, you know, we uncovered this with Tylenol, and you don't want to take Tylenol when you're pregnant. And then he gets addicted, attacked and lambasted like, oh, my God, fevers will kill people, too. And then this is my little part where I go on the news and I explain that's not actually what was said by the administration and that, you know, this is. This was discovered by the Dean of Public Health at Harvard and there are 20 plus studies.
- [24:55]
Donald Trump Jr.
And by the way, there's a warning label on a bottle of Tylenol to like, don't take it while you're pregnant.
- [24:59]
Gillian
Like, you know, it's not, you know.
- [25:03]
Jillian Michaels
They crucify him for every single thing he says. And I wonder if it was just like, listen, yeah, Fentanyl kills all these people. Yeah, we're going after him here. What about also Maduro's kind of a problem? Because I think a lot of us are thinking that. And then everyone's kind of wondering that behind the scenes of like, well, is this regime change? What are we doing here? That's why we're blowing up these boats. And Maduro is kind of a problem. What if it was just kind of out there in the open? We're applying pressure. This guy's a psycho. The regime is deadly, hopefully.
- [25:43]
Donald Trump Jr.
Well, he's a narco terrorist and we're shooting his source of income out of the water in the Caribbean rather than killing Americans.
- [25:49]
Gillian
I don't know, that actually feels a lot better to me than lying to.
- [25:54]
Donald Trump Jr.
The American public about weapons of mass destruction and embroiling us in a 25 year conflict in the Middle east for 7 trillion, doll.
- [26:00]
Gillian
Like, I don't know, seems like an effective way to do that. And so, yeah, it does.
- [26:07]
Donald Trump Jr.
Listen, Trump derangement syndrome is real. There's nothing that he can do. That's right. But these are things that make sense. One plane shooting a boat out of the water doesn't cost America a trillion dollars. It's very effective. If we could save a couple hundred.
- [26:19]
Gillian
Thousand lives a year, that's a lot.
- [26:22]
Donald Trump Jr.
That's probably pretty good. And we actually have to focus on our own hemisphere and not allow these things to happen. So you take away the source of income from, you know, a dictatorial leader that's basically been, you know, working essentially as a narco terrorist without invading a country.
- [26:37]
Gillian
Like, you know, you can actually do.
- [26:39]
Donald Trump Jr.
Some of these things. That's the, that's the problem. I've seen with everything, Gillian. It's, it's. I saw this a lot. I talk about it a little bit. You know, when, when they killed Charlie Kirk and it became like, you know, Israel or Palestine. And it was like, well, Charlie was the.
- [26:54]
Gillian
I'm like, I spoke to Charlie every.
- [26:56]
Donald Trump Jr.
Day for 10 years.
- [26:56]
Gillian
Like, you can be pro Israel, but.
- [27:00]
Donald Trump Jr.
Not entirely for the actions of the government that rules it right now.
- [27:04]
Gillian
Like, it's not binary.
- [27:05]
Donald Trump Jr.
And it felt like, you know, online.
- [27:06]
Gillian
It was like, it was this or that. And there was no nuance.
- [27:10]
Donald Trump Jr.
There was no middle ground. And you realize that basically everyone, all of the pundits on Twitter were probably on someone's payroll. You were either on that payroll or.
- [27:16]
Gillian
You were on that payroll, but because you were on the payroll, you had to go with one of the binaries. And it's not how life works.
- [27:24]
Donald Trump Jr.
There is a middle ground. There is nuance. There are things that my father does that he's like, hey, man, I know.
- [27:30]
Gillian
That my people may not love this.
- [27:31]
Donald Trump Jr.
But it's actually the right thing to do for the long term. And here's the 15 reasons why.
- [27:35]
Gillian
And you could see he's able to.
- [27:37]
Donald Trump Jr.
Be effective because he's not just a career bureaucrat. He's actually run businesses.
- [27:42]
Gillian
He knows you don't get everything that you don't.
- [27:45]
Donald Trump Jr.
He knows you can take incremental wins and use that as a leverage point to get to the next thing, but none of it happens overnight. Your point? I remember it was literally like 1203 on. On the day they swore him in.
- [27:58]
Gillian
Is like, egg prices haven't come down yet. And then two weeks later, they were.
- [28:02]
Donald Trump Jr.
Down like 40% or whatever the number was.
- [28:04]
Gillian
But it was like, so, like, he literally hasn't even left the podium yet.
- [28:08]
Donald Trump Jr.
He's giving a speech like, you're mad.
- [28:09]
Gillian
That egg prices aren't down. Like, you can't, you know, unscrew something.
- [28:14]
Donald Trump Jr.
That'S been screwed up for four years.
- [28:15]
Gillian
In one second and have it kick in. You look at the, you know, the.
- [28:18]
Donald Trump Jr.
Inward investment that he's creating. They're like, he's spending too much time abroad.
- [28:21]
Gillian
It's like, well, I don't know, but he's got like, $8 trillion of committed investment into America, you know, now that's going to pan out over a decade. That's really good for America and jobs.
- [28:31]
Donald Trump Jr.
And all of this.
- [28:32]
Gillian
You take that out and you straight line it. You know, it's like, you know, a trillion dollars a year into our gdp, that's like. That's like a point of GDP a year. If you can go from, you know, three to four points, four to five, two to three, you know how big that is. But it takes a while for this stuff to set in. And everyone wants, like, instant gratification because we live in an instant gratification world.
- [28:54]
Donald Trump Jr.
You know, I can go on Twitter and I can do this in two.
- [28:56]
Gillian
Seconds, but, like, that's not how it.
- [28:58]
Donald Trump Jr.
Actually works in the real world.
- [29:00]
Gillian
You know, it takes while.
- [29:02]
Donald Trump Jr.
A while for these things to Manifest. It takes a long time to undo those policies. Well, you know, we talked about the immigration thing.
- [29:08]
Gillian
How is it that by January 21st.
- [29:10]
Donald Trump Jr.
You didn't deport 20 million people?
- [29:12]
Gillian
It's like, well, they very deliberately sent.
- [29:14]
Donald Trump Jr.
Them to all over America.
- [29:16]
Gillian
They gave them IDs.
- [29:17]
Donald Trump Jr.
They did.
- [29:18]
Gillian
Like, you can't just find 20. Like, we don't have enough law enforcement in America. If we tripled it to find that now you have negative net migration for.
- [29:27]
Donald Trump Jr.
The first time in, like, modern history where they're actually leaving. You're cutting people off of programs. So they're deporting themselves. Because for years they were like, well, come to America.
- [29:35]
Gillian
We're going to give you free education, free health care, free phones. Here's 10 grand a month to come.
- [29:39]
Donald Trump Jr.
To start.
- [29:40]
Gillian
Like, we put out the greatest calling.
- [29:42]
Donald Trump Jr.
Card in the world for people who probably weren't productive in their own countries. They're not going to be here. They're not going to assimilate.
- [29:47]
Gillian
They're not likely to add value. But they will be reliable Democrat voters.
- [29:51]
Donald Trump Jr.
Because they will be dependent on big government to continue to support them.
- [29:55]
Gillian
And so you can't undo that overnight. I wish you could. I wish you could, you know, but.
- [30:01]
Donald Trump Jr.
We also have to play in the real world, not in some sort of.
- [30:03]
Gillian
You know, fake reality.
- [30:05]
Donald Trump Jr.
This isn't Oz.
- [30:07]
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Jillian Michaels
Talk about how long this stuff takes and I think part of the problem, if I could, if you'll permit me to suggest a criticism here, it's when he gives them the bat to smack.
- [32:12]
Podcast Host
Him over the head with.
- [32:14]
Jillian Michaels
Prices are going to come down overnight. But the reality, when you speak to somebody who understands the economy, they explained kind of the way you did, this is a 50 year mess. This is free trade versus fair trade. I mean when they get into the weeds on this stuff and how this has been growing and China has been dominating everything, I mean it is so intense and so complicated. And I don't think your dad messages that well. I think he's like I'm fixing it overnight. And I'm like no, just tell him you're gonna suffer, it's gonna suck and you probably will not see any benefit for at least a decade. You know, I'm trying to thread a very fine needle but hopefully there'll be an America left for your kids. Like what would happen if we just said that? What would happen? I mean, I don't know, cuz they just voted for Madani or promised them free everything and can't deliver any of it. But I feel like he's been set up to fail in. I know for a fact after having spoken to probably, I don't know, six different experts on this, it's going to take at least a decade like you just said.
- [33:21]
Donald Trump Jr.
Well, I think a lot of that stuff can start right? The jobs being a number one thing. You start getting shovels in the ground. That can happen more immediately to realize the full effect of this. You're right, that's a ten year thing. You know, there are things that are happening in real time. I mean you look at the inflation numbers, I mean, I mean they put up a chart this week. It was like here's inflation on Trump, Biden, Trump. I mean it came down drastically but.
- [33:45]
Gillian
You'Re not going to get it back.
- [33:47]
Donald Trump Jr.
You'Re not going to get it back overnight. Now it's a lot better than it was already. And we're not even a year into this thing. But, but it does take time. So you know, some of the things are going to be incremental gains that take a little bit of time. Other things are going to take a lot longer. But the reality is we have to put ourselves on a long term path for success. Right? That's, that's where we're different. We, you know, politicians in this country, they make terrible decisions to win an election in two weeks. But now you're saddled with that. And our children and our grandchildren are saddled with that stuff for literally generations. And then it's like, oh, that was kind of a mistake, but I needed to get elected. And then they do it again and every two years we repeat this problem. So he's the one guy that's actually willing to do some of the things that may not always be popular right.
- [34:29]
Gillian
Away because you don't get that instant.
- [34:30]
Donald Trump Jr.
Gratification, Even if it's 100% the right thing to do. So we do have to get into that mindset, right? We've gotten a little too accustomed to that. Was like, well, we can just print more money, but it's got to scrub the deficit. We got it. It's like, yeah, but, yeah, but I get a little bit now, you know, the tariff thing, I mean, you see what's going on with that.
- [34:51]
Gillian
I mean, you know, $400 billion like.
- [34:53]
Donald Trump Jr.
In, in less than a year. I mean, and with every judge trying to stop it from happening, I mean.
- [34:58]
Gillian
That could be a half a point.
- [34:59]
Donald Trump Jr.
Of GDP just from the tariff revenues.
- [35:01]
Gillian
Like that's a really big deal. That's, you know, someone being able to.
- [35:04]
Donald Trump Jr.
Expand their business and then hiring the people and there's a trickle down, but, but again, none of that happens overnight.
- [35:10]
Jillian Michaels
That is so true. And I just feel like somebody needs to give a little tough love to the country. It just like, hey, yeah, that's right.
- [35:20]
Gillian
My dad is the disciplinarian parent.
- [35:22]
Donald Trump Jr.
We all need it at some stage in our lives. Okay? We needed that at some stage.
- [35:27]
Gillian
My mom was kind of that with.
- [35:28]
Donald Trump Jr.
Me because, you know, sort of Eastern European Olympic athletes a little different.
- [35:33]
Gillian
She was tough, but you know, like, you know, when she got mad, like.
- [35:39]
Donald Trump Jr.
Today, by today's standards it'd be considered, you know, you wouldn't be able to do that anymore.
- [35:43]
Gillian
But I was like, it was the.
- [35:45]
Donald Trump Jr.
Greatest thing that ever happened.
- [35:45]
Gillian
To me, like, I needed that.
- [35:46]
Donald Trump Jr.
Like, I needed to get my ass kicked every once in a while. And like, I learned a lot more from that than I did from getting coddled or pretending that everything's fine. And so he's the disciplinarian parent we all need, but people don't often understand how much you need it because, well, again, but I can get a little bit more now it's like we're just making the problem worse. I mean, I think he's thinking generationally, not instantly. And that's hard because he's the only guy in D.C. actually willing to do that. And more importantly, he's the only guy in D.C. that actually understands how that real world works. Because he came from the real world.
- [36:22]
Gillian
He actually did deals.
- [36:24]
Donald Trump Jr.
He actually signed the front of a paycheck, not just the back.
- [36:27]
Gillian
Like, he had people, not just when.
- [36:30]
Donald Trump Jr.
He took office, but for his entire career that were literally dependent on his success each and every day for their well being, for their family's well being and livelihoods.
- [36:38]
Gillian
Like, he's done that and he's done.
- [36:39]
Donald Trump Jr.
It really well for a long period of time.
- [36:42]
Jillian Michaels
I want to jump to Mom, Donnie, for a second. I got to tell you, when I saw your dad in the Oval with him, I actually thought that was a master class. That's what I had been wanting him to do with these far woke leftists from Go don't take the bait. That you see Newsom doing it constantly, it's like, oh, please don't throw me in the briar patch. Come arrest me. This is what they want. This, they want him to take the bait. And I see him sometimes take it. It's like, oh, these, you know, he goes to Truth Social.
- [37:19]
Gillian
I see it a lot. I say, hey, there was a tweet that went out at 3:00am so, God, what happened Now? I got to, you know, so listen, he's a fighter, but like, honestly, you don't even have to agree with him on everything.
- [37:31]
Donald Trump Jr.
But like, if you're reasonable with him and fair, he could, he could still work with everyone.
- [37:34]
Gillian
I mean, he's done that for a long time.
- [37:36]
Donald Trump Jr.
Like I said, you know, the business world that he comes from, like, you.
- [37:40]
Gillian
Don'T get everything that you want at.
- [37:42]
Donald Trump Jr.
All times, but you can use it as a base, you build a relationship and then, you know, there are going to be differences and there's going to be people you're never going to get along with or agree with. But, you know, the way he turned that around, it didn't let it you know, well, he's going to come in, he's going to say all these things to your face. He sort of made it almost impossible for the guy to do anything.
- [37:58]
Jillian Michaels
He neutralized him.
- [37:59]
Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah, well, I think Scott Adams did a whole clip on that. That was pretty epic in terms of.
- [38:03]
Gillian
Sort of just, you know, the power.
- [38:06]
Donald Trump Jr.
Of the persuasion in all of that. And yeah, I mean, even me, I was like, man, no one's better than.
- [38:13]
Gillian
DJT at that stuff. I was like, yeah, that could be.
- [38:18]
Donald Trump Jr.
An interesting and risky one. And I watched it. I was like, wow, that was. That was really cool.
- [38:22]
Jillian Michaels
I thought it was fricking brilliant. I really did. And then they're like, do you think he's a fascist? And your dad's like, it's okay, go ahead, go ahead.
- [38:29]
Donald Trump Jr.
And it was just get it out of your system. Yeah, it's fine.
- [38:30]
Jillian Michaels
In that moment, you saw how absurd it was because you could never tell a fascist that there are fascists in the Oval Office.
- [38:40]
Donald Trump Jr.
I was like, donald Trump is by far the worst fascist in the history of fascism. He allows other people who disagree with him to actually come see him and disagree with him publicly. If he's a fascist, he's doing a really bad job of it. It may be the only thing he's ever failed at being.
- [38:58]
Jillian Michaels
And then he showed. What I have wanted so desperately is like, let's forget it. I don't care what party you are, let's just do what's right for the country. Of course he's not gonna like, Mom, Donnie, of course socialism is going to be a concern in New York. And he's like, I just want what's.
- [39:15]
Podcast Host
Best for New York.
- [39:16]
Jillian Michaels
So let's see if we can figure this out, which is what you would hope the Democrats would do. Where can we find common ground? I don't know. Maybe it's Maha. Maybe it's, you know, closing the border. At the very least, maybe it's. Surely we could find some common ground on non partisan things. But instead their whole position is just resist.
- [39:35]
Donald Trump Jr.
Everything's partisan at this point. I mean, you saw, I mean, this week, you know, a man won the world's strongest woman competition, you know, and finally, now women, rather than sitting on.
- [39:44]
Gillian
The podium being like, oh, this is so brave.
- [39:45]
Donald Trump Jr.
It's not brave, it's ridiculous.
- [39:46]
Gillian
Like, I mean, I think, I guess.
- [39:48]
Donald Trump Jr.
This is probably, I think this is one of the topics, I think that maybe got you in a little bit.
- [39:52]
Gillian
Of trouble because like you said, what.
- [39:54]
Donald Trump Jr.
Everyone was thinking about, you know, men and women's Sports.
- [39:57]
Gillian
I started talking about this in, like, 15 or 16, and I was like, this is ridiculous.
- [40:02]
Donald Trump Jr.
Like, and I have daughters that are great athletes, and I. You know, it's sort of like. But I see how hard they work.
- [40:07]
Gillian
And I'm like, of course they're not.
- [40:09]
Donald Trump Jr.
Gonna beat the men.
- [40:09]
Gillian
And when I knew it was a fake issue was even back in 15.
- [40:14]
Donald Trump Jr.
16, whenever I started talking about it, it was really early. Even then, like, Twitter 1.0, like, 95% leftists were like, oh, I hate Donald Jr. With such a passion. But he's right about this.
- [40:26]
Gillian
Oh, I can't believe I agree with Don Jr. On anything.
- [40:29]
Donald Trump Jr.
I can't. Ah, it's so terrible. But.
- [40:31]
Gillian
And I'm like, oh, my God, it's all fake. It's all bullshit. It's all bullshit. Like, no one actually believed that this is real.
- [40:38]
Donald Trump Jr.
But, like, you got to a point where, like, the trans Mafia, they were beyond reproach.
- [40:43]
Gillian
They didn't want equality. They wanted far more than equality.
- [40:45]
Donald Trump Jr.
And if you said anything about it, you're. You're also a Nazi. And.
- [40:49]
Gillian
But there was enough of a cabal.
- [40:52]
Donald Trump Jr.
You know, that trans Mafia that they somehow garnered.
- [40:54]
Gillian
I was like, how did a group.
- [40:56]
Donald Trump Jr.
That'S probably comprised of, like, 0.01% of.
- [40:59]
Gillian
A population, how did they get to the point where, like, they could do nothing wrong, they could say anything they.
- [41:04]
Donald Trump Jr.
Wanted, anyone else would be totally canceled? I mean, they even went after some of the great, like, LGBT activists of all time. I remember only because pretty leftist. I probably don't agree with Munch on her, but she was friends with my mom because they both were athletes from what was then, you know, Czechoslovakia. And, you know, Martina Navratilova, who was, like, the great tennis player who's been, like, you know, an out lesbian for. Since the 80s, like, way before it was cool. When it was actually, like, hard to do that.
- [41:32]
Gillian
And she was like, yeah, men shouldn't play women's sports. And, like, I mean, they canceled her from, like, the lb.
- [41:38]
Donald Trump Jr.
Well, I guess the LG community.
- [41:43]
Gillian
Like, once you got to the T, then you were. She was out. But, like, I mean, a Life's of work, 40 years fighting for a cause, like, actually moving a needle, making a difference. And, like, you're out, you're out. I mean, she then had to come.
- [41:57]
Donald Trump Jr.
Back and grovel, and they're like, okay, well, now. Now that you've accepted this insanity, like.
- [42:01]
Gillian
Maybe we'll let you back in slowly.
- [42:03]
Donald Trump Jr.
But we're gonna make sure you feel this pain if you ever step out of line again.
- [42:07]
Gillian
It was nuts.
- [42:08]
Jillian Michaels
You know, as a person who's gay having, you know, a memory of when friggin Obama ran on stopping gay marriage, which somehow everybody on the left forgets. I'm like, do you need video? This is how Trump was the first.
- [42:24]
Donald Trump Jr.
Guy to run for office that was.
- [42:26]
Gillian
Fine with gay marriage, like before they got into office, like, and by the way, with a Republican base or an evangelical sort of right base, like, that's not the easy thing to do, but it was the right thing to do. She was like, you know, I don't care, you don't have to like it, but like, live and let live, like, who cares? You know, I've gotten myself in trouble.
- [42:44]
Donald Trump Jr.
Even on the trans thing, which is like, honestly, if you're, if you're an.
- [42:48]
Gillian
Adult, you know, you want to chop off your thing or do whatever it is, it's fine, I don't want to hear about it.
- [42:54]
Donald Trump Jr.
You're not special.
- [42:56]
Gillian
I don't have to adhere to your nonsense. Stay the hell away from my kids. Like after that, do whatever the hell you want. If I'm not paying for it, if I'm not hearing about it endlessly, if you're not getting some sort of special rights and you leave my four year old alone, I'm like, do your thing, I don't really care. And I got in trouble for that with our people, but I don't care. Do your thing, but stop indoctrinating and manipulating children.
- [43:24]
Donald Trump Jr.
Stop saying that a three year old should be able to make this decision without parental consent because they've been manipulated.
- [43:28]
Gillian
And indoctrinated by some crazy teacher or.
- [43:33]
Donald Trump Jr.
Whatever it may be.
- [43:34]
Gillian
I don't know, it feels like a.
- [43:35]
Donald Trump Jr.
Reasonable position that probably the vast majority of the country agrees with.
- [43:39]
Gillian
But again, you're always dealing with the.
- [43:42]
Donald Trump Jr.
Binaries in a lot of politics because the extreme ends on both sides tend to be the most loud.
- [43:49]
Jillian Michaels
Your dad, in my opinion, has actually made the right far more open. And what I mean by that is I can now with the vast majority of people who are conservatives, not all, obviously. There's, you know, Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro that are against gay marriage, Tucker Carlson, but you know, I've sat with the vast majority and they're all like, hey, you know, live your life. Do you, I don't want to see you lose your rights that protect your family. That's not the Republican Party I grew up with. And again, this is where I, I gotta tell you, I don't care about the conservatives who want to see the End of gay marriage. I'm glad they're losing that fight. This is where I say your father and your family has built a far bigger and more accepting tent than the left. And I just. I don't think you guys get the credit for that. And I personally want to say thank you. I had a complete misconception about who your dad was going to be in his presidency, and I have to say I was wrong. I'm clearly wrong. I'm married, my family's intact, and no one's threatened it.
- [44:59]
Donald Trump Jr.
If anything, you haven't been thrown in the Gulags yet. Because I told.
- [45:03]
Gillian
I was told.
- [45:03]
Donald Trump Jr.
You're more of the Gulags.
- [45:04]
Gillian
Like, I. I'm gonna.
- [45:07]
Donald Trump Jr.
After we're done with this, I'm gonna call someone and, you know, you may get a knock on the door later maybe. Okay. I don't want them to see that, but you're going to the Gulag shilling.
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Jillian Michaels
You know, I was worried that after this, this conversation, that could happen, but up until now, I pretty much enjoyed all the same freedoms as other Americans. And where, you know, the things that you're talking about, the things that are more radical with regard to trans and kids or having biological males play against biological females. That was never a Democratic position. That was never a. Yeah, you know, we're for sex changes for six year olds. It was during the Biden administration. And another thing that I have to bring up constantly with Maha, like, ah, you know, are you happy? I'm like, yeah, we've made a lot of progress. A lot of things have gotten accomplished. No, we're not gonna get everything we want. It would collapse the economy if we did. Having said that, the former administration, Xavier Bechera, who headed hhs, wanted to remove all age limits for sex changes on kids. Can we celebrate the win? Like, I just.
- [46:12]
Gillian
Well, how about the fact that, like.
- [46:13]
Donald Trump Jr.
No one talks about, like, the recidivism rate for any of these minors who undergo these procedures is like 93%.
- [46:20]
Gillian
Like, in time, people realize they were.
- [46:22]
Donald Trump Jr.
Indoctrinated, they realized they're now on these hormones.
- [46:25]
Gillian
If, you know, if. If it, you know, a trans kid.
- [46:28]
Donald Trump Jr.
Shoots up a school of, you know, Christian school kids, it's like we have no idea what could have caused it. But really, I don't think it could have been the hormones they've been injecting since three that no one has studied.
- [46:36]
Gillian
No one's looked at.
- [46:38]
Donald Trump Jr.
There's a reason the suicide rates through the roof. There's a reason the recidivism rates through the roof.
- [46:42]
Gillian
Like, maybe, you know, it's not this cure that, you know, doctors. I mean, what should really happen is.
- [46:50]
Donald Trump Jr.
There should be liability for the people that have been pushing these things. And they're telling parents that if you don't do this, your child is literally going to die.
- [46:57]
Gillian
Because there doesn't seem to be any.
- [46:58]
Donald Trump Jr.
Any evidence of that. There seems to be a lot of evidence that the suicide rate goes through the roof for the kids that do do these things and come to regret it. That's why. That's why for me, it was like, hey, when you're adult, 18, 21, whatever.
- [47:09]
Gillian
It may be like, you can make your own decision.
- [47:12]
Donald Trump Jr.
You got to live with it. I don't want to have to pay for it. I don't want to have to hear about it. And don't even think about bringing that crap to my kids. But. But they do on a daily basis.
- [47:19]
Jillian Michaels
You know, I mentioned the fact that I think your father has made the Republican Party more open. Obviously, I think it's for the better. Now you're starting to see some of the things in the alt right fringe of the Nick Fuentes and the Young Republican group chat that is racist and that is scary and sexist to an alarming degree with someone like Nick Fuentes. And I'm wondering, you're seeing this kind of fracture the left. I'm seeing people who are more moderate become alarmed. And people on the right are like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Not a big deal. I'm here to tell you it's a big deal. And I think it's a big deal because all of those people that your dad invited in, Tulsi Kennedy, myself, inadvertently. Right. All of these more Rogan, all of these more moderate people who flee the crazy on the left are alarmed if the right doesn't disavow the Nick Fuentes'. And it doesn't mean. I'm not saying cancel Tucker Carlson. That is not what I'm saying. I wish Tucker had handled him differently. I have no problem saying that, but I do think it's going to be a problem. And I'm wondering if you see it as a problem for the right in the midterms and in 2028. Because I think if this continues without it being fully condemned aggressively, I think you get Gavin Newsom for president. And I know what that looks like. And it's scary stuff.
- [48:53]
Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah, I'm a little torn on the issue. I think sometimes having been canceled and having for even common sense things, I'm not about cancel culture, but I think Sometimes I don't know that you have to platform everyone, but let them sort of speak. And I think some of those radicals, they sort of give themselves up in many cases in their own things. And I'm good friends with Tucker, and I actually don't think he's really all that radical at all. I think I do see a lot of stuff that sort of manufactured crises. I see a lot of sort of the neocon handles trying to create these conflicts to break it up, because they want to go back to the old ways, not the America first ways. I do think that sort of social media and the way those things have been manipulated and some of these, you know, the stuff you're seeing even this week with, you know, well, oh, this account that's, you know, America first is, you know, driven out of, you know, some country in the middle of nowhere. It's like they're. They're actually trying to sow discord and create, you know, a fight that probably really doesn't exist with the vast majority of people. I think, you know, again, I'm sort of a free speech absolutist, but that doesn't mean there's not consequences to that speech. And if you hear some people speak and you don't like it, like, man, I sort of feel like they almost cancel themselves. And not. Not with censorship, but by people being like, okay, that's not even a reasonable decision. We're just not gonna listen to this person anymore. And so I do think that's important. Important, because again, I've. I've seen what they tried to do to so many people. I was one of the early guys calling out a lot of the censorship on Twitter. They're like, well, how do you know? I was like, well, I know because yesterday I was getting 5,000 retweets to post. Today I'm getting three. Not 3,000. Three. Like single digits. Three. Like, that's. Something happened, something changed. And so, you know, I think we have to have conversations, even conversations we don't want to hear, or even conversations we think may be disgusting. And listen, and then people will make up their own minds and they'll sort of. You know, the way I look at it, you kind of vote with your wallet. You walk away from that and you figure it out on your own.
- [50:53]
Jillian Michaels
I'm just deeply concerned that if there's a guy who says, women want to be r ped and somebody does not say, this is not who we are as a party. This is not conservatism, we find him repulsive. It's I'm telling you, it's.
- [51:10]
Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah, but I also think sometimes even acknowledging what you do every, if you're going to acknowledge every person that says something ridiculous, ridiculous, all of a sudden you're just making them bigger in a way. Sometimes you just gotta let the idiocy just go out there in the ether and you can't respond to everything right because it just becomes like clickbait troll worthy stuff and everyone starts doing it and everyone then starts taking the own bait. And you know, and that's sort of what I was alluding to earlier with like some of the stuff, you know, going on right now. It's like everyone's just trying to like out radicalize themselves for clicks and this and it's. Yeah, you know, it's a bit nuts. And I don't think we do that as well as the left. The left sort of has their talking points and they, they generally speaking stick to them. Even if I disagree with them vehemently.
- [51:49]
Gillian
You know, we're a little different in.
- [51:50]
Donald Trump Jr.
That we are a lot more open. We do have a lot more different, you know, viewpoints. We don't just say, okay, well the party says this, so we're going to go with this. You know, we still have that discourse, we have those disagreements and we move on. And I do think a lot of that fracture that you know, you're talking about is also, I think a lot of it's just being created to actually try to break up that movement. I don't know that it's as real as it is, but it doesn't matter if millions of people are talking about it online because they think it's real or they think it's coming from a good place and they think that, you know, this is an organic thing, that's not a pay to play campaign. You know, that is a little scary. And I think people have to wake up to some of that.
- [52:27]
Jillian Michaels
Will you run?
- [52:29]
Donald Trump Jr.
Oh God. You know, listen, right now I'm, I'm outside, I'm a business guy. I do what I can, you know, you know, politically to try to help my father be successful getting these done. Because I sort of have that same long term vision for America that he has. I understand that maybe one day. But I do think it's also the first time we've ever had a bench of people that could actually take that mantle. After the first term. It's like, well, who is really that successor? And it was like, there's no one. We just sort of go back to the old ways. And I Think, you know, that was very much by design. I think that was very much. So much of what he was trying to get done was actually stopped and screwed up by Republicans who just, okay, we're just going to kick the can down the road. We're going to wait this guy out. We're going to go back to the good old ways. You know, the people are not there. There's no appetite for that. And now we actually have a bunch of people that could probably step in and do that and continue. My father, I think my father's a uniquely, you know, it's a generational talent in terms of that. I don't think you ever replaced Trump, but I think, you know, he can be that wrecking ball to break so much of these things that really need to be torn down and start over. And, you know, there's guys that can come in and fix that. You never know. One day maybe that happens. But, you know, my singular focus, you know, at least on the political side, is just trying to make sure that his agenda gets done, accomplished, that people understand, you know, again, the nuance that you and I seem to understand, but not everyone does because, you know, I get it. It's, you know, it's complicated. It's not that simple. They, they want, they want that instant gratification. So, you know, that's my primary focus right now. I'm working to help see his vision through with what I do in politics differently, even what I do in business, trying to create jobs in America, try to, you know, make us first make sure we don't lose the AI race to China. Because I think we all know how that ends. If you've watched the Terminator, it's probably pretty much the same thing.
- [54:22]
Jillian Michaels
Gosh.
- [54:23]
Donald Trump Jr.
And so, you know, that that's my focus. But you never know.
- [54:26]
Gillian
One day, one day maybe you don't have a choice.
- [54:29]
Donald Trump Jr.
Because if no one's willing to step up, you sort of have to. And that's sort of what my dad did. I mean, he's honestly watching him do that. He was kind of complaining about it from the 80s back then. It was also still trade. He's gotta be the most consistent guy in the history of politics. People don't like to see it that way, but, like, you could see him on, like, OPRAH in, like, 1986 being like, we're getting our lunch eaten. They're destroying our jobs. We're exporting our American dream so that a couple billionaires at the top can save a half a cent on a widget. Back then it was Japan, not China. Now it's China.
- [54:59]
Gillian
So, I mean, he gets that.
- [55:02]
Donald Trump Jr.
He's been remarkably consistent. But he's also the kind of guy that says you can't just bitch and throw stones from the sidelines. Eventually, if no one else is going to do it, someone has to get in the game. And so you never know.
- [55:14]
Jillian Michaels
Okay, it's three more years from now. What is your dad hoping to have left behind? What is, what does the geopolitical landscape look like? What is America? How does America fit into that? What's the long term vision? We know it's a Peace prize and I hope he gets it, honestly, like.
- [55:38]
Donald Trump Jr.
I mean, I think he deserves it. Without question. He, he would much rather have the success in terms of geopolitics or the Nobel Peace Prize. He would much rather save a few hundred thousand lives than get an award. He's gotten plenty of awards. It's not a driving force. He's not doing this to get an award. He could care less. He wants to stop the senseless death on the geopolitical stage. He wants that to happen on the home front. And some of it's geopolitics. He wants a prosperous America. I've said for years it's like, feels like our only export as a country for the last few decades has been like our American dream where we've allowed others to live it at the expense of our middle class. He wants to bring that back. That's not easy. There's a lot of people that don't want to do that. There are some certainly short term costs to doing that. That's not easy. But I think he's the one guy that can actually effectuate real change in that. So he wants to do that. He wants to bring the prosperity that, you know, America really was based on and dominated for 250 years. He wants to bring that back because it was largely gone and going away. I think we've all realized, Gillian, you know, especially in the last four years and as much as they said about Trump and you know, ironically, the guy that was going to start World War III is the guy that seems to be the only one trying to prevent it. You know, a weak America with feckless leadership is not just bad for America, it's actually bad for the entire world. We saw the chaos and the devolution into chaos over the four years of Biden where not only was it bad for America, but the rest of the world was breaking out of wars, economies were going down. It was a disaster. The only person that Wins that game is China. And I think we've all understand that that's not good for the world either. I think the rest of the world's slowly starting to understand that as well. I don't think that's an outcome that everyone wants. So I think he wants to bring back the prosperity that America really had such a great benefit of, that our politicians have destroyed over years and a lot of our ruling class and everything. He wants to bring that back. He wants everyone to be able to live their American dream. He wants them to be able to have successful children that aren't stuck in their basements forever, to be able to buy their dream home, to start a family. He wants that. But it's hard to believe that in America today that is hard. That doesn't happen overnight. But in my opinion, he's the singular guy that can start and do the necessary things to get that back on track. And so it's definitely a longer term game. But I think he's doing it. I think. You see, again, you talk about the deals coming in from, you know, countries that weren't, that we weren't even talking to. It's like, fine, we will invest in America. You help us out on this.
- [58:34]
Gillian
It's like, my God, you did something for. It's like, well, they're gonna put it.
- [58:38]
Donald Trump Jr.
In, you know, Japan, like, you know, $550 billion into America in the next couple years. Like, that's a really big deal. That's a win for America. They have to get something out of this trade, too. It can benefit them.
- [58:49]
Gillian
And if we do that with our.
- [58:51]
Donald Trump Jr.
Allied nations that are actually our friends, like, that's good for us, because China's not gonna play that same game.
- [58:59]
Jillian Michaels
You know, I was just talking to Mike Baker about Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and like, I don't really understand Qatar funds terror and. But they did. And he goes, Jillian, he's like, so we have to be talking to them, we have to be doing deals with them. This is real life.
- [59:17]
Donald Trump Jr.
And by the way, like, I've been to Doha, you know, speak at business conferences there. And like, you go there and you're like, man, I feel safer there than I do in the streets of New York these days or Chicago. And again, I know I would rather actually work out deals with countries and say, fine, you have oil that we need for energy, we can work together. Or you can send it to China and make an ally with them.
- [59:41]
Gillian
I don't know.
- [59:42]
Donald Trump Jr.
Doesn't seem brilliant. And again, I think a lot of those things also probably get blown up and overstated. But you see what's going on. I went to Saudi for a business conference for reason. I'm like, I would much rather be allies with these nations than sort of artificial enemies driving them into the hands of our actual enemies, the places that are actually threats. There's ways that this can be really good and beneficial for America, for American jobs, for lowering prices for Americans.
- [60:16]
Gillian
We should be doing that, because if we don't, someone else will.
- [60:19]
Donald Trump Jr.
And I have a feeling those people will not have our interests at heart. And so everyone.
- [60:23]
Gillian
Again, it's the binary. It's this or, like, give me a break, guys.
- [60:26]
Donald Trump Jr.
It's not how the world works.
- [60:29]
Jillian Michaels
Two more questions.
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Donald Trump Jr.
What?
- [60:32]
Jillian Michaels
This one I should have asked you earlier, but I don't want to forget. What the heck are we going to do about Iran? And this is one where, again, it's like, the one side, ah, they're already restocking that uranium and we should have shut them down and we didn't. And then the other side of, oh, thank God, it was going to be a forever war. And if we hadn't had a tantrum on social media, it would have been Iraq all over again. So me, the powerful prophet YouTuber, having complained about a forever war, stopped that with Iran. The reality is Iran's a big problem. Your dad has said this since all the way back, I remember, in 2016, took out Soleimani, bankrupted the country. I've watched him try different things. What, and now he's expanding the Abraham Accords. He's got this ceasefire thing. It's tenuous. Hamas doesn't want to disarm. And the number one fly in that ointment seems like Iran.
- [61:27]
Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah. What is he going to do? He's the guy that recognized Iran as a threat far more than anyone. He did almost have them bankrupt with the sanctions. And then Joe Biden came in and they sent him pallets of cash. Like, we saw the pictures.
- [61:38]
Jillian Michaels
Yeah.
- [61:38]
Donald Trump Jr.
You know, it's like, well, why would you revive these? Like, they're literally the world's leading state sponsor of terror.
- [61:43]
Gillian
And by the way, when all that.
- [61:44]
Donald Trump Jr.
Was starting to go down, I was.
- [61:45]
Gillian
Like, hey, man, like, no one wants.
- [61:48]
Donald Trump Jr.
To be in another forever war. And he got that too. But, you know, so what he did is, you know, at night, he had, you know, a B2 fly in. They took out the plants and, like, they understand what America can and will do. And again, if we create stronger alliances with their actual neighbors, who have, frankly.
- [62:04]
Gillian
A much more vested interest in keeping them in Check.
- [62:07]
Donald Trump Jr.
You work together, you build those up. Let them also deal with part of the problem. So America's not just, you know, sort of the rich schmuck that's always just paying the check.
- [62:16]
Gillian
Like, his response was actually the perfect one.
- [62:18]
Donald Trump Jr.
And honestly, even I was like, oh, man. Like, are we gonna.
- [62:22]
Gillian
Well, you can't let them get to.
- [62:24]
Donald Trump Jr.
The point of no return.
- [62:26]
Gillian
So they sort of handle it perfectly.
- [62:27]
Donald Trump Jr.
Guess what? It was over in 20 minutes.
- [62:29]
Gillian
And, you know, they may start doing.
- [62:31]
Donald Trump Jr.
These things again, and I'm sure they will, and whatever it is, but, you know, in the meantime, they create stronger alliances with their allies in the region. You know, let them do some of that work. Let them give us some of the information. Let other people deal with some of those problems, because America does not have to do all of these things. And again, it was. It was over in 20 minutes. There were no boots on the ground.
- [62:50]
Gillian
We didn't lose any lives, didn't cost.
- [62:53]
Donald Trump Jr.
Us trillions of dollars. I'm like. And they still had to deal with the problem. That's. That's a very real problem.
- [62:58]
Gillian
I'm like, I don't know. Seems like sort of.
- [63:01]
Donald Trump Jr.
It actually sort of felt perfect. And, you know, and I'm certainly one of those guys that is definitely not for getting America stuck in another forever war.
- [63:11]
Gillian
So, you know.
- [63:14]
Donald Trump Jr.
He doesn't get enough credit for really understanding how the world actually works, what actually gets results. And then if the Democrats don't go.
- [63:22]
Gillian
In and say, well, we got to give them a couple hundred billion dollars because it's going to be designated for food, you know. Oh, yeah, because money is not fungible.
- [63:29]
Donald Trump Jr.
Right? Fine.
- [63:30]
Gillian
They buy food with this and the money that they were spending on food.
- [63:32]
Donald Trump Jr.
They're going to now build nuclear programs.
- [63:33]
Gillian
With, like, he gets, like, their whole messaging. Like, it doesn't make any sense. They're talking to children like. Like, they're talking to people like they're idiots and trying to sell something that makes no sense. But, like, no one ever reads bats.
- [63:45]
Donald Trump Jr.
That the media narrative will be like.
- [63:48]
Gillian
It'S just for food.
- [63:49]
Donald Trump Jr.
It's like, well, yeah, no, that's what they're saying. But, like, of course it's not for food.
- [63:52]
Gillian
Like, so, you know, as someone that.
- [63:56]
Donald Trump Jr.
Was, like, really, you know, pretty personally stressed in that, because I've been so vocal against, again, whether it was Afghanistan or Iraq or everything else before that, I was like, we cannot start another one of those. I got it now, like, 20 minutes later. Done. Okay, next. And again, doesn't mean they don't start Coming back, but, you know, we bought a few years.
- [64:15]
Podcast Host
Got it.
- [64:17]
Jillian Michaels
Last question. For the adults in the room that are watching, whether they love your dad or they hate him, what would you ask Americans to do? Literally, what can they do? Give them the Kennedy for their country to help your dad with his agenda, or let's just say forget his agenda to make the country a better place. What can they do instead of just resisted everything. Like, how would you like the adults in the room to behave on a day to day basis in order to facilitate some of the good things your dad's trying to accomplish?
- [64:57]
Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah, I'd say turn off your televisions, stop listening to the mainstream media, you know, have a conversation. And this was like, you know, the thing that, you know, and I spoke a lot about, you know, Charlie Kirk is one of my closest friends in the world and like I watched, you know, like, have a conversation with someone who disagrees with you. You can do that respectfully. You don't have to, you know, go, but be willing to have that conversation was interesting when, when I started hanging out with Charlie, but 15, 16, like.
- [65:26]
Gillian
Hey, we're gonna go do a thing.
- [65:27]
Donald Trump Jr.
On a college campus. I'm like, wait, what? Like, like, like, no, no, we're just having.
- [65:32]
Gillian
And you get there and you're like, you realize really quickly. It's like when people like, oh, I didn't know that. I'm like, yeah, no, here's the, like here.
- [65:38]
Donald Trump Jr.
I was like, really?
- [65:40]
Gillian
Why I heard this?
- [65:41]
Donald Trump Jr.
I was like, yeah, well, just because.
- [65:42]
Gillian
You heard it on CNN doesn't mean.
- [65:43]
Donald Trump Jr.
It'S real or true. You know, here, here are both sides of a conversation. Look at what he's actually doing. Understand that it doesn't happen overnight and.
- [65:51]
Gillian
Ask yourself, like, hey, like, if you.
- [65:54]
Donald Trump Jr.
Give him even a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, like, is this going to be good for your country in the long term? And what is the plan on the other side other than simply resist and.
- [66:01]
Gillian
Having tantrums and, you know, like, if the Democrats, you know, again, if they're against taking out drug cartel boats with fentanyl, like, who do they represent? You know, if you can do that, you know, with a helicopter for a couple of bucks, rather than getting into.
- [66:20]
Donald Trump Jr.
A regime change war that's going to.
- [66:21]
Gillian
Cost us trillions for years if he's able to do. I mean, look at, I mean, you brought up the Abraham Accords like wasn't like a peace plan in the Middle.
- [66:31]
Donald Trump Jr.
East, like prior to the age of.
- [66:32]
Gillian
Trump, wasn't that like the Holy Grail of geopolitics, Wasn't it, like, literally, like, every. The experts, this is what we gotta do. Well, but. But no one did anything for 50 years. You know, they talked about it.
- [66:43]
Donald Trump Jr.
That was the Holy Grail, but no one actually moved the needle towards anything, so.
- [66:47]
Gillian
Well, Trump's doing it all wrong.
- [66:48]
Donald Trump Jr.
Well, why do you say that? Well, because I've been working on this for 50 years.
- [66:51]
Gillian
I go, but, yeah, but what did you accomplish in those 50 years? Nothing. It's like, well, you think maybe you.
- [66:57]
Donald Trump Jr.
Should lose your expert status if you're literally wrong about everything for 20 years? 50 years, 100 years.
- [67:03]
Gillian
If you haven't been right in decades.
- [67:05]
Donald Trump Jr.
Do you still deserve to be given credence as an expert? And we're gonna listen to you.
- [67:09]
Gillian
What have you done? Nothing. So I think people have to do that, turn off some of that noise.
- [67:17]
Donald Trump Jr.
Have an open mind, understand what's actually happening. Cause it's truly amazing the amount of people when they're like, no, no, no, but he did this.
- [67:24]
Gillian
I go, no, he didn't.
- [67:25]
Donald Trump Jr.
How do you know? Here's literally like, no, no, no, but I saw this.
- [67:29]
Gillian
I go, yeah, well, of course, but, like, I know you saw this, but.
- [67:34]
Donald Trump Jr.
Just, I guess be open to that. Have those conversations. That's not always easy. Okay. I mean, you've been through it yourself, right? It's not easy to be able to.
- [67:43]
Gillian
Speak even basic truths, even to have.
- [67:46]
Donald Trump Jr.
An opinion that doesn't follow the narrative. That's hard. Start having some of those conversations. Charlie did that. He did it better than anyone.
- [67:53]
Gillian
And they killed him simply because he was effective.
- [67:56]
Donald Trump Jr.
He changed so much of that millennial.
- [67:57]
Gillian
Vote because people were like, oh, like.
- [68:00]
Donald Trump Jr.
Once I realized, like, what I was told and what I was indoctrinated with from kindergarten isn't actually true, that there isn't other side. And it actually makes sense.
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Gillian
Like, the margin shifted so much.
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Donald Trump Jr.
That's why he became a threat. His ultimate threat wasn't that he's a.
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Gillian
Nazi or fascist or, you know, literally.
- [68:20]
Donald Trump Jr.
Literally creating violence, as they would say out there every day.
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Gillian
It was that he was effective at opening up people's minds and having them.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Have a different viewpoint. I think if we all had a little bit more of that, we all end up in a much better place, and we can make much more rational decisions that's going to benefit our children and the next generation.
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Jillian Michaels
That's beautifully said. Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it and I'm excited to have met you, Cyberly. I look forward to the day when I can shake your hand in person.
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Donald Trump Jr.
We'll have to make that happen, Julian. I really look forward to it.
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Podcast Host
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- [68:58]
Jillian Michaels
And make sure to let me know.
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Podcast Host
What guests you want to see on in the future.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Thanks.
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