Jillian Michaels (3:18)

But we don't need to go into that.

Eric Bolling (3:21)

Well, that's okay.

Dave Rubin (3:23)

Let's get back.

Eric Bolling (3:24)

We'll circle back to that.

Jillian Michaels (3:26)

Okay. Can I just tell you why I'm so distressed? I appreciate that I am not a traditional conservative, and in many ways I'm probably an interloper. I've never met Tucker. I'm sure he couldn't care less about me or what I think. And I've listened to many of his podcasts and learned a lot. There are things he does I don't like. Obviously, there are things he does where, like I said, I can learn a lot. What concerns me about this is that on the left, I watched that party rot from the inside out. I did. I watched it go from a common sense party that believed in controlling the borders, that thought abortion should be legal, safe and rare, not late term, even, for healthy children, and healthy moms that didn't believe in sex changes for children, that didn't believe biological males should play in women's sports. And I could go on and on and on with all the crazy stuff we've seen come out of the left, including what we're going to talk about, socialism. So I, I have watched that party go out to sea and never come back or not yet. And in fact, lean far more into the bananas. Right. That we're seeing come out of there now. So many people like myself started to find ourselves leaning towards the right, center, right? And it made more sense and the tent was bigger. And even the people like Matt Walsh, who probably don't like me and don't agree with me on 99% of stuff, will sit down, speak amicably, find common ground. And that's important to someone like me. You know, we're looking at these races and you and I are going to talk about them, right? And it's like, okay, why does this matter? It's an off year election. Well, we're looking to see what the swing Vot do. I am a swing voter and I'm trying to tell everybody on the right, when you mainstream a guy who says he loves Stalin, the show's over. When, when you force a purple person to choose between somebody who's arguably misguided and uninformed, that chooses sex changes for kids, and a party that normalizes a guy who says he loves Joseph Stalin, you're, you're gonna lose and we're going to end up with Gavin Newsom for president. I am telling you right now that's going to happen. What in the hell is going on? Eric, please help me. What's going on?

Eric Bolling (5:51)

So much, so much to unpack there and I tend to agree with you on so many of those things. I think the country probably is at its widest, most bifurcated position politically than it's ever been. Certainly since in the 20 some years I've been following politics and reporting on politics, I would say it's going in that direction further and further. Now I, let's talk about Tucker Carlson platforming Nick Fuentes. I would never platform Nick Fuentes. I would just never do. There's, there's no click or view that's worth highlighting someone who's an absolute lunatic who's detrimental to humanity, period. I mean, to, to put Joseph Stalin on a pedestal. 1018 S A data, it, it's, you just don't do it in, it's not, there's no clicker, there's no advert, there's no dollar that's, that's worth, worth doing that. So I, I, I respect greatly for his brilliance. The man is a brilliant human being. I worked with him for, you know, 12 years at Fox News. He was a very smart guy. He is, since he's gone off on his own, he's, he's, in my opinion, I'm friends with Dr. I, I text with Tucker. I think he's gone too far down the rabbit hole and I'm not sure why. He doesn't need to do that. He has a massive following, a massive audience, not unlike Candace Owens. I've been having these conversations with friends of mine who are very, very pro Candace Owens. You got to, she's not an anti Semite. And then I say, I know Candace for a long time. Whatever is going on is perceived to be anti Semitic. Right?

Jillian Michaels (7:23)

So I've sat with her too, and I didn't think she was anti Semitic either. I don't know what's going on there.

Eric Bolling (7:29)

They're clicks, Jillian. They're clicks. The more outrageous you get. The more following you get, the more clicks you get and the more popular you get and the more advertising dollars technically you get. Although Tucker is finding out that even with a massive following, maybe Candace as well, advertisers tend to steer away from people who are too partisan. Hyp. Partisan. And that. That's what we're getting. We're getting very. Two hyper partisan parties in America. We've always had two. I will tell you, since I stepped. Since I stepped into the real world, when I left base, I hurt my shoulder playing baseball, professional baseball. I went to Wall Street. I've been a libertarian and a conservatorian. Let me. Let me reframe that conservatarian. I believe in the Libertarian Party policies generally. I like smaller government, lower taxes. I can make decisions with my own money better than any government will ever be able to do. We can see this time and time again. And I'm on the I. And this. This gets my conservative following and friends riled up. I really don't care if you're gay, straight, bi, whatever, trans. It doesn't matter to me. As long as you leave children out of the mix. I don't care who you sleep next to. I don't care who you wake up next to. I don't care how you dress. Just leave the kids out of it.

Jillian Michaels (8:39)

Agreed.

Eric Bolling (8:39)

And I think that's where I am. I'm social liberty. Socially liberal.

Steve Hilton (8:42)

Ish.

Jillian Michaels (8:43)

Yeah.

Eric Bolling (8:44)

And. And. And very much conservative on. On the fiscal side of things. And. And I think that's the part that's where we all need to be. I think that's the most logical comm. Since Wayne it in certainly going. Going forward. I'll give you one quick story and then I'll let you do Baby, no, no, please.

Jillian Michaels (8:59)

You're here to help me contend with this.

Eric Bolling (9:02)

Literally caught me on a day where I'm. I'm trying. I think I'm figuring this thing out right as we speak. Because I went to. Believe it or not, last night. I went to Halloween Horror nights at Universal Studios in Orlando. I've done this several times this year. I'm watching. I'm walking around this crowd. And it's Generally people below 40 years old. Generally. Obviously there's a mix I just. I've done at all. But. And the fabric of the country has changed. I'm looking around, I'm like, these are young people. And they're certainly not the look and feel of the young people that I knew growing up or certainly maybe even a generation after me. It's a whole new crop. And I believe it's because our politics have gone so far left and right. And we know that the progressive wing of the Democrat Party just owns the academia. They own professors in high school all the way through college and grad school, and they're indoctrinating young people to be very socially progressive. That's fine. Social progression doesn't bother me. It's the fiscal part. Problem is, I think they're. They look at people like me like I'm. I'm their enemy. Not, I'm here to live alongside of you. I'm their enemy. So I don't think the country's getting any closer. We're getting more bifurcated. And with Trump, who I love, a lot of things Trump is doing, most of the things Trump is doing, he's a divisive figure, period. We just have to be honest. He's. Our side loves them. Their side cannot taste one more minute of Trump, but they also can't look away like a train wreck. So I think we're on a path that isn't really sustainable as a country. At some point, there'll be some event that brings us kind of back to the middle a little bit. And I'm hoping the middle is for the liberal side, it's the social aspects of it, and for the fiscal and financial and economy side, it's the conservative side of things. That's where I think we should end up being upstream.

Jillian Michaels (10:55)

I could not agree with you more. And, you know, that's what guys like Charlie Kirk were doing. And here's the great irony, is that when the left loves to call everybody on the right fascists and authoritarians and racists and bigots and all of these things, Charlie was the guy holding the alt right creeps like that at bay. Charlie didn't believe in platforming him at all. And I kind of understand when the Piers Morgans of the world and the PBD's of the world have this guy on and they call him out, right? So it's like, yeah, but, you know, this is gross, and that's wrong and that's disgusting. And, you know, listen, do I wish the guy didn't have access to their audience? Sure. But when people love PBD or they love peers and those guys are saying, yeah, you're wrong, there's something to that. And, and I'm like, okay, I, I, you know, I get it. But. But Tucker, we've all seen him go after guys like Ted Cruz, and he did nothing. No pushback. And when you, when you see Jordan Peterson warn about the woke, right? And then you see guys like Dave Rubin and guys like Brandon Tatum and women, like chicks on the right start to say, like, hey, guys, this, you cannot mainstream. This, this cannot be normalized. I'm now coming out to say the purple people will not have this. And you are handing this win to the left. And the left are going to be the squad. As crazy radical as he gets on the left, they're taking over that party. You are going to hand them the country if you continue this, I promise you, in 28, hands down. And that's my, like, that's my warning. And it's like you could care, you know, whether or not I belong to the right or I don't belong to the right, that is my warning. This behavior, you will lose doing this.

Eric Bolling (12:45)

And I just, they've taken the cue from Trump now. There's no, there will never be another, there's never been another Donald Trump. They'll never be another Donald Trump. And both sides are going to try and emulate Donald Trump's success going forward. And that means, you know, really being, elevating the rhetoric, so to speak. I mean, Trump did, let's be honest, but he's now proving that he was right about so many of the things that they called him bigoted or conspiracy theories over. Of course he's proven to be right, but what he's done is laid the framework. Certainly on the left, they're trying to pick it up. You hear their heightened rhetoric. Jasmine Crockett talks about hurting people. There was a, there's a Nazi, a literal Nazi Democrat running for elected office. I believe it's in West Virginia, somewhere in the Northeast. And, and that's where the Democrat Party is headed. And you hear their Hakeem Jeffries. We have to, we have to be violent or tougher. Another high level Democrat says we can't just use our words anymore to get our point across. Well, what does that mean? You know, a month after Charlie Kirk is assassinated in cold blood in front of everyone, they're, they're not pushing away from the heightened rhetoric. They're amping up the heightened, dangerous rhetoric. And there are people like who I was with, you know, tens of thousands of them the other night at Universal Studios who looked like they could easily be radicalized into where they are right now, into, you know, maybe a trigger is a lot more effective than a, than a written word. And it's, it could get very scary for a while. I think, I think you're right to Be concerned about the future of the country.

Jillian Michaels (14:19)

I just know that with guys like Nick Fuentes saying he loves Stalin and saying things like, women need to shut the F up. Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part. We need white men in charge of everything. When they go out and they commit political violence and assassinations, they feel all the more justified. And I just, I, I'm so disappointed that, that, that the right is doing this. This is my, this is my shot across the bow. Do not normalize this behavior. This needs to be isolated, marginalized, and condemned. Period. End of story. I don't believe in deplatforming people. He should have his own show. He should do his own thing. And he can spew his vitriol in the dark crevices of the web. But when mainstream people on the right that are respected and have massive audiences normalize this, I promise you will lose in 28. And the ramifications are going to be catastrophic because I have lived in Gavin Newsom's California, Eric, and it's bad news.

Eric Bolling (15:26)

So there is a, a range, right? So on one end of this range, you have Nick Fuentes, who's an absolute lunatic. He's, he's the worst of, the worst of, of our society. He's a racist. He's a bigot. He, I, I, I wanted nothing to do with him. I never want to, I don't even want to hear his name. But there, there, there, there. The, the DEI in the woke world went too far on the left, you're right. But, but, but that Nick Fuentes is way too far in the other way. The other way. In other words, where, where, where there are white Caucasian people who weren't getting into the schools, who weren't getting the jobs not because of their skills or their experience or their abilities or the test scores, but because of the color of their skin. And it's literally racist in reverse. That had to stop.

Jillian Michaels (16:16)

But you're giving me Charlie Kirk, though. I love Charlie Kirk. This is. Charlie. Hated this guy, right?

Eric Bolling (16:23)

So Charlie Kirk, I do believe was assassinated probably by Robinson. We don't use his first name. Probably by Robinson. Maybe not. But I also believe there is, there is a vast, much bigger cabal behind Charlie's assassination than just one. One shooter decided. He decided he had enough of Charlie Kirk for that shot to ring out. Now, mind you, I literally announced Charlie Kirk's death on air, live. I was at Real America's Voice, where I have a show, and Charlie was a host on the network as well. Early in the morning, I was at 4. And at 4, 13 that day we announced his death. I mean, the world thought he was in intensive care. He was gone. My point is we started doing deep dive investigation into watching what would happen. Think about this for a second. That shot hit Charlie within a second. Within a Second, a man, 65 years old on a college campus jumps up and says, I did it. Points to himself. Cops rush over there, attention's rush to him. Within a minute or two, they arrest him, shooter gets away, right? Also simultaneously to Charlie bleeding on that stage. Before they get him off the stage, some lunatic kid, young guy, maybe not college guy, he's probably 25, 30 years old, jumps up and starts waving towards the back where the shot came from. Now human nature says there's a shot, there's a death duck covered, right? This guy jumps up. I think there was, there's a group, the Trans Tifa group. Could be, I don't know. There's a group that, that didn't want Charlie to continue his, his, his amazing path that he was on getting young people people. And that was really why Charlie's dead. Not because he was effective with people. He was effective with young people. And it's a risk to the progressive left who realize that if you get them in high school and college and at that most influential time of their lives, you can program them your way. Well, Charlie was deprogramming from that leftist mentality and reprogramming to a conservative mentality. And that was a risk to the bigger group of progressive leftists. So I find it hard to believe that this one guy pulled off that shot without a series or network of people behind them.

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Eric Bolling (22:35)

Yes, but can't be. It wouldn't last more than a couple of weeks on all of them. They pay the military through the Department of War. There's not enough funds sitting there. The point is, as soon as those extra funds and certain bank accounts are liquidated, then you have to go back to Congress for funds. And you're not going to get anything through Congress with the Democrats already playing hardball because it's the same process. It would be the exact same vote as opening up, opening, reopening the government. I think you're right to pick on Chuck Schumer because he's out here blaming Trump whatnot with the fake crocodile tears, all this bullshit that he does. It was Chuck Schumer and I remember this when Barack Obama was putting Obamacare in, which became aca, whatever, they sunset, they sunset all the money that's being pulled out of it right now that the Democrats are crying a river about right now. It was Democrats proposal that sunset it in 2010 of 2025 right now. So if you want to play a game of who's got the upper hand on the government shutdown, I would say that in this round, Republicans and Trump do. First of all, they have a House, the Senate and the White House. But they also, you can just point to them. This is their plan. This is their stupid plan that not a, single, not one, one single Republican voted for in 2009 under Obama. And now it's coming back to haunt them and they just want to kind of cry the river. I'll tell you, you're right. Food stamps run out November 1st. And I'm guessing because 1.8 million people on food stamps, a ton more loosely attached to ebt, a lot of them are going to be the Democrat constituents. A lot of those are Democrat voters. More than Republican voters, I would be willing to bet. I'm not sure there's ever been a study on it, but I would say people on assistance most likely are going to be Democrat voters, if they vote at all. I think you're going to see a lot of pressure after November 1st and the Democrats probably will cave. And 2026 is looming big. So I think they're going to try and make this a thing. I think it's going to come around, bite them in the ass on the backside in 2026 reelections I was trying.

Jillian Michaels (24:40)

To figure out, right, because I've listened to other Democrats, like Jessica Tarlov, for example, on the five. And I mean, I gotta say I don't agree with her on much of anything, but I do appreciate that she sits there and she takes her licks and I try to listen to how she rebuts some of the positions that I agree with. And she's like, well, yes, but, you know, the, the Republicans haven't negotiated on anything. And I'm like, well, what are we supposed to negotiate on? I want to know. And then I just watched Mike Johnson on Ben Shapiro listed out for me to take a look at this. Eric, I don't know if you've seen this.

Mike Johnson (25:13)

Not only do they want us to restore free health care for illegal aliens paid for by U.S. taxpayers to the tune of almost $200 billion. They. They also want to give back money to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, for example. They want a half a billion dollars to go to that cause they, they want to, they want to give money to all these boondoggle foreign spending priorities. Again, I mean, it's cr. You know, $4 million, for example, one of the line items that would go to lgbtq, whatever the acronym is, plus, okay. Awareness campaigns in foreign countries. They want to spend money in the, the Horn of Africa to promote feminist ideals. I mean, all this kinds of stuff that the American people have had enough of.

Jillian Michaels (25:58)

I gotta be honest, I have had enough of that. I don't want that. And so, so here's the concern. It's like, well, we all voted. Well, 77 million people voted for Trump because they don't want that. And I did do my homework and I looked into every single thing he just said and it all checks out.

Eric Bolling (26:15)

So a lot more. A lot more. There's some insane LGBTQ relocating locusts in foreign countries far, far, far away, like millions of dollars. Those are easy to cherry pick as. That's ridiculous. But, but the reality is this big 200 or three. Some, some say a lot more than that. But whatever the number is to provide health care for illegals, that's, that's where the fight is on the Democrat side. That this, all this other stuff is just noise. What, what they want. And they very much want this. They see their party as, as losing popularity, as slipping, and that the one way that they can really re. Establish themselves as a viable party is by bring it by getting illegals ear first just safely here, comfortably here and making sure they stay, giving them food stamps and housing and whatnot and then getting the vote to them eventually. You're out of your mind if you don't think that someday when there's a Democrat president, House and Senate, they're going to be pushing bills through to turn illegals into citizens or at least get the right to vote, because that's where this is all about. We've, we've speculated on why they, they play the little shell game of, of LGBTQ money in Zimbabwe, but it's really about the big kahuna of offering health care for illegals. That, that's what, that's what this fight.

Jillian Michaels (27:31)

Is, you know, And I've had previous guests explain the loophole in states of how people who are not here legally go to the emergency room and how those federal dollars end up paying those bills at the emergency room. Because anybody watching is like, I googled it and it says you can't do that. No, you can't. But the states found a loophole to do it. Which bring me to the next one, the bigger issue that I want to explore a little bit with you of food stamps. It does say that you cannot use food stamps for people who are here illegally. And yet the data seems to show many people who are receiving food assistance are not here legally. Can you explain? Because I actually couldn't find the loophole on this other than like, I can't find it. States can. The federal government can't. Is there a way that they're somehow laundering federal money and putting it through the state? Like, how is that happening? I actually can't find the loophole.

Eric Bolling (28:30)

The states can fund whatever, whatever they want. I mean, look at the marijuana laws in the country. Technically, marijuana is illegal federally and individual 30 something states have decriminalized it and maybe 25 have made it legal. There are a lot of these issues that the states can just kind of thumb their nose at federal policy. Except this one. When the feds say no, when the feds go, you're not going to do that. You can do it it, but we're going to hold back highway funding, things that the federal government funds they need. And you see it happening with various. There's two governors, there's a governor in Maine who went at Trump and she embarrassed them. And he turned around and said, well, good luck getting that federal grant that you're looking for for whatever infrastructure project you were looking at. So the states are beholden to the federal government. They are. And if the federal government really want to enforce marijuana laws or any other laws that, that they've allowed the states to kind of figure out what they want to do with, then they'd be screwed. This one is one that I believe the feds are going to say if you're going to supply the EBT folks with state funded money, not federal money, and re up their EBT cards, you risk your federal grants on a thousand different projects that you need us for. And I think Trump means business on this one. You don't see the federal government saying, well, if you, if you decriminalize or legalize marijuana in the state of Florida, it's decriminalized here, not legalized or wherever else, then we're going to hold back money. Because they don't want to make that fight. They don't want that fight. They see that the trend is decriminalizing if not legalizing marijuana. So they're not going to pick that fight. With the immigration and EBT and transfer payment called transfer payments. Whenever a government takes your taxpayer money and gives it to someone else, it's a transfer payment with transfer payments. Stephen Miller, the deputy chief of staff for policy for Trump, very powerful guy. His biggest thing is immigration. I think the feds are going to clamp down on anyone who tries to supply an EBT card with state money, circumventing the feds.

Jillian Michaels (30:35)

This has really highlighted two other things for me. 40 something, 41, 42 million people are on food assistance and it's not being utilized for crises. It seems to be legacy.

Eric Bolling (30:52)

This is such a good, this is such a good topic. I mean you have not. So I'm a huge fan of RFK Jr. Right. And I just love everything he's doing with Make America Healthy Again. I love his, his focus, his ideas and I'm pushing him, I'm begging him, can we please. We will save tens of billions of dollars if we turn the assistance, the food assistance program into what it should be, helping people eat, not I want to take my EBT card and buy cigarettes. Technically you're not supposed to buy alcohol, but if you buy in a grocery store, a lot of times, I mean really, really make it about healthy eating. Jillian, look, I know you talk about healthy eating.

Jillian Michaels (31:28)

I know.

Eric Bolling (31:28)

How about you? If you don't allow Pepsi and Coca Cola to sell chips and Coke and Pepsi to people with EBT cards, they'll be healthier, they don't need it. If it's true to its word of assistance instead of how much, how many hundreds of billions are spent on garbage food that's making America less healthy.

Jillian Michaels (31:50)

40% of Coca Cola's income is from the food stamps program. I, I mean, I, or food, women and children, all that. I, I know all of this, but yet when you try to remove soda and candy and this and that, you're racist. You're ableist. You're, you're all these hideous, pejorative. It's a rocket. It's a scam. You know, the, the other thing that's concerning is we've seen the videos now and I gotta be honest, I can't even tell what's real anymore of the people who have a BMW, that are making 200% over the federal poverty line, that have an iPhone, that are complaining about their food stamps and that are selling their food stamps and because they actually don't need them for 50 cents on the dollar.

Eric Bolling (32:41)

Like, that's huge. That is huge right there. That's.

Jillian Michaels (32:44)

How is that happening? You're supposed to only make 39 grand. How is this happening?

Eric Bolling (32:49)

They're selling. Even the folks who are, who qualify may not be using it for food. And the way they get around that is they'll sell, they'll barter, negotiate their food, their card to go buy drugs and alcohol. I mean, it's, it's absolutely happening to a great extent. Not, not a small extent.

Steve Hilton (33:06)

That.

Eric Bolling (33:06)

And so how do. Your question was, how do you, you just, you one day just have tough love? That's it. Kind of like what Trump did with the border. All right, that's it. I'm done. That's it. We're done. We're closing the border. It was always a little this way, that way, a little bit your way, my way. You know, Republicans And Democrats in D.C. the swamp are the same animal. Julian for. I've been doing this for too long and I realized that Republicans are no different than Democrats. It's kind of a wink in the nod. We got the ball. Now it's our. We've been elected. So you're going to shut the hell up. We're going to push a bunch of stuff through. You're going to like it or not. And when you get it, we'll do the same. Wink, nod. Got it? Got it. Yeah. Okay, let's go. And they just, they make government bigger and bigger. Trump love him. Covid happened in at the end of his first term. He spent, I think it was like almost $2 trillion to help save the economy, but it was sold as here. We need 2 trillion of your dollars. Your taxpayer dollars are going to help people out because everyone's being affected by it. And we said o. Temporary. Right, right. Biden gets in, makes that extra. The 5 trillion we're spending added the 2 trillion that Trump or 1/2 trillion that Trump spent, made that the new baseline, said, you know what, we need another trillion for additional assistance. And then that become the new baseline. Government has exploded, our debt is exploding, government's exploding, and we don't really get much more for the same dollar that we were taxed five, seven years ago when our debt was half of what it is or less than what it is right now. Both sides play the same game. They pretend to be the fiscally conservative concerned about the, the taxpayer and their citizens and their, their voters. They're all, they're all full of, they are just all, they're full of the same, just one's blue and one's red.

Jillian Michaels (34:53)

You know, they're all full of, in my line of work, because they're the ones that are signing off for those food lobbies to get all those gazillions of dollars, billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars to buy soda. I mean, you're, you could not be more. Right. But of course, we actually have a couple very important elections coming up on Tuesday. It's an off year, but people are watching a few races very closely. So you've got the gubernatorial race in New Jersey, the gubernatorial race in Virginia, Mom, Donnie. The mayoral race in New York, and Prop 50 in California. So my first question is, why do you think we're watching this stuff so closely? Is this like a pre run? Like, I like, how's it going to go for the midterms? Or which messages are motivating swing voters? Or how did turnout go? Like, is this a test run? What, what is this? Why are people so focused on this?

Eric Bolling (35:48)

If, if you look at what's happening. So you have Mandani in New York, who, a straight up socialist at, at, at best, he might even be worse than the socialist. Some, some of the things he's talked about in the past are, are, are pushing the boundaries of Marxism. Like literally, it's, it's the most extreme form of socialism. And by their socialism has never, never worked. And for some reason New York wants to try this experiment. And the only thing I can possibly think of, Jillian, is that the left sees Trump. They see someone who got the other side crazy. Like, Trump was so good for conservatives and the left hated him so much. What could they do to the right that Trump did to the left and put up a socialist? I mean, I'm old enough to remember when you were accused of a socialist in politics, you were finished for Forever. Now they've got AOC and Bernie and Bernie and Kathy Hochul supporting the socialists. I mean, listen, I live in Florida. I can't wait till it happens. I know it's going to happen. There's no question in my mind Mondami is going to be next mayor of New York. I can't wait to see the parade of New Yorkers coming down here buying homes, buying stuff. I, I, I, I hate it. I can't stand when I see a New York license plate down here. I lived there for 30 years. I know what they are. But, but it, it's going to be a rude awakening for New York. The question is, you know, again, this night at Halloween, Horror Nights last night may have changed my view. I might, they may be right. They may be because remember, elections, right? We're in a democracy. So I believe we should have conservative values. I believe we should, you know, have smaller government. I should keep more of my own money. I, I think, I believe in sovereign borders. But if they're the majority, they got the vote. And we are bound by our Constitution which says if they got the vote, they make the policy. And I'm just wondering is this could be an inflection point in America where we move towards a more heavily, more socialist country the way Europe, the continent of Europe has done for the last 10 years now. Now I don't think it's working for them, but they don't seem to be pushing back on it. I mean, they opened their borders up. Remember when Germany took a million, a million people coming over from Syria? And how did it work out? Women were being raped 40, 50 times as often as before. This influx of a million, one million, not even illegals, migrants came over from Syria. I don't think the experiment is working yet for some reason and the world seems to be, to be going in that way. I think Trump came in and just, he just took, we took a pause, you know, we took a four year pause this time, not the first time, this time can we or they keep it up. Not without a Trump. I'm afraid to say I don't, not without a Trump. But I don't see anyone in the, in the wings that can hold the party together, hold this part of the country together the way Trump can. And don't forget, forget a lot of the folks who are, who are saying what I'm saying are in their 50s, in their 60s, in their 70s. They're we and they are dying off. And the younger crowd again, the, the university system and the high school the education system, academia is so progressively liberal. Socialist socialism is probably embraced in the vast majority of our colleges. And they're. They've been fed this. They've been fed this. They're growing up. And now before, they were thrust into a world where socialism didn't work. Now they're being thrust in a world where mayors of the biggest cities in the country are saying, don't worry, don't work. We'll take care of it. Go to the grocery store. You don't have to pay for that. We'll find a way. Jillian, you and I may be dinosaurs a little quicker than we had expected.

Jillian Michaels (39:29)

You know, I was about to pull up a clip of Bill Maher saying everything you just said, but I realize now it's a waste of time because you're right. It's me. Me, it's you, it's Bill Maher. We're the ones that have lived long enough to know how this plays out. So I think I'm going to actually jump to the debate between Sliwa, Cuomo and Mamdani because let's. I want to address those policies because, you know, like everyone, everyone claims Islamophobia. That's our number one issue with Mumdani's world. Islamophobia. Maybe that's not it. Maybe we're concerned about how his policies are going to play out. And Cuomo said this and it just. I thought, if this isn't black and white, I. I don't know what is. Take a look at this.

Andrew Cuomo (40:17)

But to answer your question, the you cannot. Zoron said the land. The t. The tenant doesn't have to pay more rent, but we're going to cover the landlord's costs. No, no, you can't do both. And that's not what happened. We did freeze the rent with Debarzio. We lost units because the landlords took them off the market because you weren't covering their cost. The reason the Rent Guidelines Board went up after the freeze was because you had to make up for all the backlog of costs. And this. I'm going to freeze the rent. People think it applies to all of them? No, no, just the 25% of the units that are rent stabilized. And by the way, it's all BS because the mayor doesn't have the power to do it anyway. The Rent Guidelines Board does. And he doesn't control the Rent Guidelines Board. So nothing is going to happen. It's all this is. You have never had a job. You've never accomplished anything. There's no reason to believe you have any merit OR qualification for 8.5 million lives. You don't know how to run a government. You don't know how to handle an emergency. And you've literally never proposed a bill on anything that you're now talking about in your campaign. You had the worst attendance record in the assembly and you gave yourselves the highest raise in the United States of America. You went from $110,000 to $140,000. And then you never showed up for work and you missed 80% of the votes. Shame on you. Shame on you.

Jillian Michaels (42:00)

Can let me just, let me just reiterate the things that spoke to me. Number one, we tried some of this stuff before. Didn't work. Number two, you're full of it because you don't have the power to do this anyway. I was taking Fast and furious notes. Number three, you didn't show up 80% of the time to do your job, homie. Number four, you're anti capitalist, but you gave yourself, what, like a 25 raise? I didn't do the math. Math on it. Which tells me the kid is full of Eric. That's what I'm taking away from it. And if I could say one more thing, we all remember New York in the 70s, or I'm, I was born in the late 70s. But my point is, I know all about it, right? We, we watched Giuliani clean up that mess. I know all about it. And none of it worked. And they did all of this free transit and we're freezing, you know, we're freezing rent. But what's going to make this worse is that capital is now mobile. Rich people couldn't leave in the 70s because you can't work remotely in 1978. Now all those rich people, as you mentioned, are going your way. So I don't know how you're going to fund any of this stuff with tax dollars that you're not only not going to get in a windfall, you're going to lose in a windfall. The feasibility of this is absurd. Can you, can you, can you, can you, can you speak to that, please?

Eric Bolling (43:21)

27 raise. Is that the number? Okay, 27. Yeah. Very close. Good job.

Jillian Michaels (43:28)

Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Eric Bolling (43:30)

That, that was not shocking. What's shocking is hearing Andrew Cuomo talk like a conservative. I know, but it should be an indication what you would, would get. You would get the new version of Andrew Cuomo. I would hope, I'd hope he would be the, the one, the Andrew Cuomo, that, that he was on the campaign trail. My, my problem is it didn't matter. Mandani was smiling the whole way because he's got this thing locked up. He's up like 16 points. Curtis Lewa should, should have dropped out by now. He, he's not dropping out for whatever dumbass reason he's got. Yeah, Curtis, you're not going to win. Okay? So how about you? You help? New York achieved the lesser of two evils. A liberal former governor who's got a questionable past or an outright socialist who might be a Marxist on top of you don't even know. Curtis is doing this for personal reasons. It's ridiculous. He should at least give Cuomo a shot, but he's not going to do it. Cuomo wouldn't have won anyway. This is Mamdani's time. The left has told us. Aoc Bernie, the influentials on the left could have pushed back on Mamdani and made the New York race more competitive, but they embraced them. They're basically telling you that they're embracing. They're buying what he's selling. And that means they're going to be selling what he's selling on the federal level, whether it's from the House, the Senate or even higher office. God forbid, if we get a Democrat president down the road. The scary part is, again, we're becoming the minority. And you know, the rules of the game say the minority can vote, but the majority has, has the, has the gap, has the, the ability to, to really pass the laws. And that's where we are. That's why I think this next year for Trump, he should be doing everything he possibly can to get things in place and memorialized in a way that they, they can't be changed, at least not without super majority votes in the House and the Senate, which you could do, and then focus on winning 26 in the house. I think the Senate is fairly safe for the House. So that you have two more years to get your, to at least freeze some of this massive slide into progressivism that the country's headed for two more years. Maybe memorialize some important. Make sure illegals will never have the ability to vote or make it 10 years or whatever is. Just make sure that they, you don't slip, you know, slip it past the goalie next time they have the House Senate and, and, and the White House. Because they will. As much as we don't want to hear that they, they will one day. And if they do, if they push the country as far left as Trump is trying to keep the country in, in wherever we are, center, center Left, center, right. I think we're on the right. We'll be talking about. We'll be the one saying we're going to leave the country and go live somewhere else. I hate to say it. I don't mean to be pessimistic. I just see it. I, I've always seen trends happen. I did very well on Wall street because I saw the trend happening before others saw the trend happening. And the trend is not our friend right now. So these next, this next year for Trump before midterms hopefully becomes three years if we win the midterms. I mean, really, really important that he gets as much as he can through. And that's why he works. Guy works like an animal. He works all night long sometimes.

Jillian Michaels (46:46)

I know, I know. And you know, I, I want to before we move on, because you talk about winning the house, I want to talk about Prop 50 in depth. But I do think it's important to address some of the Islamophobia stuff. And here's my concern with it is that the left paints everybody who has concern over Mom. Donnie's like, oh, no, no, no. He's this great young firebrand upstart who's motivated and he's going to change everything. And he cares about the people. And all you guys are just Islamophobic. And the reality is people have pointed out some of the things he has done with regard to being a Muslim because he has pointed it out. So I want to bring, you know, this is going around the web right now, him talking about his aunt who actually doesn't seem to exist, that after 9, 11 felt like she couldn't walk around New York or take the subway in her hijab. But he brings that up and then people go, you're a full blown narcissist. Where's your concern about the 3,000 people that died in the Twin Towers? It's not because we're. I don't know about you, not because I'm Islamophobic, but it's also like, you lied about an aunt that doesn't exist. When you have a rap song. I don't know if you've seen this, Eric, one of his rap songs, as I think like Master Cardamom or whatever the heck his rap name was, gave praise to the Holy Land Five who are five guys that went to jail prosecuting Gitmo.

Eric Bolling (48:19)

Yeah.

Jillian Michaels (48:19)

For funding Hamas. And I have a clip. You know, I don't think you know what I am going to air just in case anybody says I'm lying. Throw that One up for me, guys. The Holy Land 5 rap song. Please. Just. Just so people believe it. And no, it's not fake news. Can we take a look at it?

Eric Bolling (48:41)

I look them up.

Jillian Michaels (48:42)

Literally says, okay, my love to the Holy Land 5. You better look them up. That's what he's saying right there. Okay, so you're giving love to the guys that funded a terror group. That's concerning. Has nothing to do with you being Muslim. I don't care what religion you are. That is concerning. And then you, you know, when asked about Israel, and he says, quite appropriately, I don't know why you're asking me about Israel. My job is New York. It is, homie. But when you say things like, where is this one? That the. When the boot of the NYPD is on your neck, it's leased with the idf. You are bringing up Israel. We're not Islamophobic. You are putting the spotlight on this. And the crap that you're saying is alarming. Is it me, Eric? Are you alarmed?

Eric Bolling (49:36)

He. I'm alarmed for New Yorkers. And what the amazing part is, there's a massive Jewish population that live in and around New York who access that city every day, and they're still not stepping up and pushing back. And it's just baffling. It's alarming. He said he would arrest Netanyahu if he stepped foot in the city of New York. For what? The man is a socialist, but he also is a. A. A very strongly opinioned Muslim. Now the question is, will he move. Will he move New York to recognize Sharia law? Some would say that would be the case. And then others would say, oh, that's crazy. You're a conspiracy theorist. And then you look at in Dearborn, Michigan, where the police force has to wear a. A patch recognizing the Muslims on their. On their uniforms. Or in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where Ilhan Omar says that her real. She owes all of her work and her efforts to the. To the country of Somalia. Not the people of Minnesota or the mayor of one of the cities. Minneapolis maybe, or St. Paul, one of those cities who's pure Muslim, straight up. I don't even think he speaks English and he's running for mayor. The people in those areas have moved. Moved those areas into the. Into a quasi Muslim state. Right. Why wouldn't Mondani do the same? Tell me why he wouldn't do the same if he's being supported by 8 to 11 million people who live or work in the area. Why wouldn't he. You support me? This is what I believe, guess what I now believe that there'll be no go zones in the parts of New York for Muslims or cops can't enter unless they're Muslim or. It's a very scary concept. And, and don't say it can never happen because there are plenty of conspiracy theories that turn out to be. Not conspiracy, not theory. Just. Just needed a few more daylights.

Jillian Michaels (51:34)

You know, I want to highlight one thing, is that if that happened and it was Christians who did it, because there are, there are parts of the country that you just mentioned where gays can no longer publicly fly a gay flag because of the Muslim religion. And I'm just looking at this being like, well, is that what you guys wanted? You know, you got what you wanted. No, no. With that said, okay, I believe in an American flag. I wish there was one flag to unite us all. I don't need a gay flag personally, but I couldn't care less if it fly. Whatever.

Eric Bolling (52:07)

Correct. There you go. There you go. Right, right there.

Jillian Michaels (52:11)

My point is though, if Christian said, you guys can't fly your gay flag in this city, whoa, people go crazy. And it's, it's not because he's a Muslim. It's because you don't want to have anything forced upon you. There is concern about positions that are frankly radical, like getting rid of prisons, which he absolutely did. Say in the far left, it's literally called Eric the Far Left podcast in 2020, he said like, well, I don't, I mean, when asked about prisons, he goes, I'm mean, I don't really see what purpose they serve. Like, I, oh my God, my brain, it just, I can't stop my head from hurting today. Or, or like he thinks that not having private property is better where. Think you know, than where things are at now. Like this. The guy is, he is radical and it doesn't have anything to do with him being a Muslim. There are radical sects of every religion, every sona to. He is radical, period. And you know, radical Islamic is scary for all the reasons we've discussed. Is he a radical Islamist? I have no idea. I really don't know.

Eric Bolling (53:25)

We don't know. We don't, we don't know what he will be either. Right? I mean, he's, he, he's, he's a clearly hat tipping Muslim towards his culture, which is, there's nothing wrong with that when, you know, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So what does he turn into? How much, how much power did the people of New York City and state give him to the point where maybe he says, yeah, listen, maybe let's test out some of these things that are qu I legal, Sharia law, hat tipping, the Sharia law. It's, it's not out of the question. It's not conspiracy theory at all. It's fear of radical change in a city that probably, I don't know, maybe it's one of the most powerful cities on the planet, but it's a very, very scary idea. I, I, I just, I don't understand why Jews and honestly, the LGBT community in New York doesn't just push back just to say, no way, no way.

Jillian Michaels (54:17)

67% of Jews, I think, under 45 are voting for him. I and you know what? This is where I think, okay, Jill, like, you must be wrong. You must be losing it. You must be misguided. And to be honest with you, Eric, I hope, you know, a year from now I'm like, well, it worked out great. We were afraid for nothing. Maybe there's some things we can take away in these big cities that will help people make ends meet. I, I hope to God I am just some old paranoid lady who doesn't understand the way things can evolve and change. I to God that is the case. But when you celebrate guys who celebrate funding Hamas and you say my love to the Holy Land 5, you better look them up. That's radical. I'm sorry. These programs that he's proposing have never worked. Wanting to abolish prisons is bananas. And I think, you know, I think we've set our part on Mom, Dani. And it's going to be what it's going to be. And time will tell. Prop 50. I want to get into this one with you real quick. So you talked about the need to win the House. If I am being honest with you, I hate gerrymandering. I hate it. I don't like it on either side. And I understand they all play this game to win the House, but I think it disenfranchises everyone. And I want to know what you think. This went crazy viral. Millions and millions and millions of views of what you think of Schwarzenegger's position to Jake Tapper. Take a look at this.

Steve Hilton (55:53)

Well, you know, I'm not really the spokesperson for, you know, the anti proposition 50. I just want to defend the kind of work that I have done because we worked so hard to get the independent redistricting commission in California. It was California was under leadership on that issue. Then we went around the country, promoted it around the country country, and actually convince 30 some percent of districts to go and have an independent commission. And now all of a sudden they're undoing all of that. There's this war going on all over the United States who can out cheat the other one. Texas started it. They did something terribly wrong. And then all of a sudden California says, well then we have to do something terribly wrong. And then now other states are jumping in and now this is spreading like wildfire all over the country. And it saddens me to see that we're going in the opposite direction rather than having an independent commission draw the district lines. And so Jake, I have to tell you that when you think about this, trying to out cheat each other rather than outperform each other, it's all between Democrats and Republicans. And the ones that are getting left behind are the people.

Eric Bolling (57:10)

People always guess what. Always. They don't give a about the people. They care about their power and control. Politicians could care less about us on both sides of the aisle, let's be honest. They want the minute they're elected in, in the House for two years or, or the Senate for six years or governor for four or six. Whatever their state says the minute they're elected, they're working on their next reelection campaign. It's insane. They could care less about the policy that helps the people. People gerrymandering is a joke. Sometimes you'll have a district, doesn't matter what state. Pick a state where there's a population of people here, then there's a line almost along the highway where no people can possibly live with no, no human beings living there. And then they'll pick up another population over here so that they can get a Republican or Democrat district out of it. Like using the highway. Yeah, technically it's land, but they're known human being. It's just a joke. I mean they really should just lay out a grid, the whole United States in a grid with equal, you know, territorial boundaries, square feet, square miles, whatever it is, and vote that way and that way. You can't play as gerrymandering. It's, it's childish. It's, it's really a joke. You, if you look at some states gerrymandering maps or district maps, they look like a bowl of spaghetti.

Dave Rubin (58:26)

It's crazy.

Jillian Michaels (58:27)

That's what Dave Rubin said to me the other day. He's like, it's ridiculous and described like squiggly lines like you just did in some states. States. And I think what I love is that that went crazy viral and, and my opinion on why it went Crazy viral is because at the end of the day, the American people, they don't want anybody being able to shut down the government for political leverage. They don't want anybody being able to minimize anybody else's vote. I think we want fairness. We want the parties to do a good job. We don't want to cheat our way to a win. And I do appreciate what's at stake, I really do, but I, I don't. This is wrong and it never ends and the shoe is always going to end up on the other foot. And there's one other clip I wanted to show, not necessarily you, because I know you know this, but the audience. This is Steve Hilton talking about how Proposition 50 is going to rig California to such an extreme that it will become virtually impossible to get a Republican elected to Congress despite the that fact, fact that 38% of Californians voted for Trump. Take a look at this math.

Dave Rubin (59:32)

If these maps, these cheating maps go through, then it will take 193,000 votes to elect a Democrat to Congress, 1.52 million votes to elect a Republican. A Democrat vote will be worth eight times a Republican vote. How can they possibly defend that? So I think that if they think this is going to sail through true, because, you know, they're assuming it's just going to be total partisanship for the Democrats against Trump. Their entire message, by the way, is framing this as something to do with Donald Trump, nothing to do with California. I think they're really mistaken. I think that we're going to win this.

Andrew Cuomo (60:08)

There's almost an admission buried in it, Steve, that they can't get voters to vote for their candidates based on the policies and the record alone. So they have to go change the rules. And I think there's a way to bring the failures of the one party rule in California really to the forefront front in the, in the construct of this. And you are the leading candidate and just a real. Only have a few seconds. But where can people go if they're.

Jillian Michaels (60:32)

Interested in your campaign? Does Prop 50 pass in California?

Eric Bolling (60:38)

Yeah, easily. They don't care. Again, Julian, it's control and power. They don't, they don't care what's best. They don't care. They don't even know what's best for themselves. I mean, again, they're the mob. They're the posse in California. Wildly left, left. I, I think Steve Hilton is, is, he's a nice guy. He's got no chance as, as governor. Even the. Disgraceful, disgraceful. What's that? Katie?

Jillian Michaels (61:08)

Katie Porter.

Eric Bolling (61:09)

Porter Katie Porter, who walked off a set when the question got too hard or screaming at her. She's probably gonna be the next governor. She's a liberal. I remember her in Congress. She was just a terrorist in Congress. She was so progressive, leftist, so mean, so nasty. That's what they're going to get. I don't think you're going to listen. I believe California can, I'm sorry, you live there. I believe I move.

Jillian Michaels (61:32)

I moved out actually and came your way for three years and then ended up having to be closer to California because of family that I couldn't uproot. And so we ended up moving to Jackson Hole because it's two hours back and forth. I can get in and out same day if I need to.

Eric Bolling (61:47)

Well, there's a, that's a much more livable state, Wyoming than, than California. I think California just put the, draw the border, you know, eastern side of California. Let just the, the change the C to a K and call it California. Okay.

Jillian Michaels (62:05)

Trump's China deal. Walk me through this. There's a heck of a lot at stake here, Eric, and I can't quite tell what got accomplished, what didn't get accomplished. Like, I don't. We're going to defer rare earth export restrictions for a year. Trump says the issue settled, but it's one year. They're going to buy soybeans again. We're going to look. Lift what. Just walk. I can't. Please tell me in like regular person terms, what do we get out of this?

Eric Bolling (62:33)

Here's where I, here's where I, I, I take the detour off the Trump train, so to speak. I, I hate tariffs. I hate, I'm, I'm a libertarian. I'm a free marketeer government by definition. I want less government intrusiveness in my life than more and so when tariffs happen or when Trump says we're going to take 10% of, of, of a comp Intel a company, the government, our US government's gonna own 10% of a major corporation in the United States. I hate that I despise this. And I know he's doing it because he wants to use tariffs as, as a leverage to get other things. When he said we have a 45% tariff on China, that was bad enough. The market said are you kidding me? Tanked.

Andrew Cuomo (63:15)

Right?

Eric Bolling (63:15)

And then things started getting back because you they we the Wall street smartest people on, on the planet realized realized he wasn't really going to put these tariffs into play or he's going to trying to work around a Lot of them. And we've seen a lot of workarounds. And the market starts to recover. In fact, it makes new highs. And then he says we're going to slap 100% tariff on China now because they're not playing ball with rare earth and market tanks. He goes to Xi Jinping, they hang out and he, he walks. He, he does this game of like not holding himself accountable for what he says he's going to do with tariffs. And the market says, we don't care what you're saying, Trump, and we don't care what the people are saying. We want to know what's really happening. So we're, we're not, these tariffs aren't really ever being employed. And if they are, they're, they're being employed on a tiny basis. My point is, I, I, I don't think we need to play that game. I like the markets to stay free. Trump can play the, the power game many other ways with selling arms or negotiating arms with different allies of ours. Just leave the markets alone. I believe the China US Trade will stay the same, will stay where it was before. I don't think we're going to see an evening of tariffs going in and out of any of these countries over time. All these companies saying, we're going to spend $ trillion, Mr. Trump, we're going to spend a trillion dollars right here. Well, guess what? They don't have plans to break ground on that trillion until 2029 maybe, when he's already out of office. And yeah, and, and they're not. Listen, corporate CEOs of major corporations. Four or five trillion dollars in Nvidia. Now for the first time, these people are smart people and they realize play the political game, say what everyone wants you to, wants to hear you say and get the, get the beast off your back and then continue to do business the way you do. There's no way Apple is moving manufacturing to the United States when they can pay a Chinese worker $50 a month versus $50 an hour in California. Right. It's just not gonna happen. So they can play the game, they can promise, make a lot of pledges until they start breaking ground and bringing these jobs here, which I don't think they're going to bring any jobs here. You build a plant in America.

Jillian Michaels (65:27)

Reassuring that like Scott Jennings talks about and that this, this car, that's a nice guy.

Eric Bolling (65:32)

Scott's a nice guy, but he's very, very theoretical. I'm a, I'm a boots on the ground business guy. I spent 15 years on Wall Street, I've owned businesses. I was in the oil business for 10 years. Boots on the ground says this. If you're going to spend money to manufacture goods in the United States for whatever reason, patriotism, the administration wants you get a tax break, whatever it is. If you're going to do that, you're going to automate the hell out of it. You're going to make everything a robotic manufacturing plant. They're. There's no jobs that are going to be created by Patri repatriating manufacturing here now repatriate money. I bet you don't know this, Julian. $2 trillion. $2 trillion sitting in foreign bank accounts by U.S. companies that have business overseas. Apple, Microsoft, whatever. They have $2 trillion sitting in various countries that they've already paid taxes on. In those countries. The U.S. government says, you want to bring that back here, 35%. They've already been taxed. So they say, you know what, we'll just manufacture there, we'll spend the money there, we'll use the money to hire people there. My point was to Trump, make that zero, bring back the $2 trillion. And you want to play a game? How's this? Bring your money back. Let's say someone's got $100 billion over there, bring it back instead of paying the government 35%, $35 billion dollars pledge or actually break ground on $35 billion worth of US Build Something capital. It's called capital expenditure by a company. Build infrastructure here. Build a plant of something. Because then you could do it. Then it makes it, see what you're saying. More equal, more, more desirable. Do it certainly for your bottom line. And that's all CEOs want to do is fix their bottom line. They don't care about politics.

Jillian Michaels (67:22)

You know, it's so interesting because my first question in the intentions, right, So I was going to say you. But, but, but Eric, what about the jaws, the, the jobs off offshore? What about the where earth situation? Aren't we vulnerable? What about national security? What about civil rights stuff over there? What about Taiwan? Like I, I see so many of the reasons Trump, or at least I think I do, is engaging in tariffs. So when the left is like, he's a psycho, he's bananas. I'm like, well, but these are real problems. Do you think I'm right in the fact that those are real problems and you're simply saying the way he's going about it, his strategy is not going to work. And strategies like what you're talking about are A better way forward to solve some of the problems I just mentioned.

Eric Bolling (68:09)

They're all problems. They're all legitimate problems. But the reason why Chinese workers paid 50 bucks an hour and they don't have health care and whatnot. And that's why Apple pays them. That or whoever, Microsoft, anyone who's building stuff over there. Their laws are different. What, who are we to tell China about their, how much they should. Minimum wage, Their, Their, Their citizens? It's none of our business. It's. This is my problem with, with, with, with, with US Policy right now is that we think we should tell the world how to, how to act, how to live, how to, how to govern themselves. And my point is we, let's, let's worry about our own 4, 4, 4 borders. Stop worrying about how China pays their workers or Brazil or, or whether Venezuelan drug boats are coming over here or not. This is a very controversial issue and we're blowing people out of the water. Coming from narco, quote, unquote, narco terrorists coming from Venezuela. They, they have great intel. Jillian. I lost the son to fentanyl. My only son. I know the feeling of losing someone to this horrific drug. Right. And I still don't think we should be doing that.

Jillian Michaels (69:17)

Really.

Eric Bolling (69:17)

I don't think we should be doing. I think we should be stopping them, taking them, imprisoning them if you want, sending them home, but to be killing them. Not because they don't deserve to be killed. They probably do. The first time we make a mistake, the first time one of those boats isn't a narco terrorist. We've lost the game. We've lost the debate. We may have lost the midterm elections. There's too much at risk to be coming off like. It's small, small ball. It's really small ball in the bigger picture of politics.

Jillian Michaels (69:49)

Gosh, I see what you're saying. I guess I look at the fentanyl crisis, which you know more, more intimately than the vast majority of us, and I'm like, well, China is doing this and you gotta have leverage over China because they're selling the fentanyl to the cartels because they're trying to kill our culture and our youth. And then the cartels, they're running our borders and they're trafficking. I don't want to say because I'll get. The algorithm will punish me. But we all know, know what goes on with the cartels, not just with drugs, but what they do to people and the most vulnerable and so on and so forth. So when Trump waves the, The Tariff around. I think, well, it's better than weaving a nuclear weapon, right? Like, this is just how I perceive it as a layman, because I think the problems are real. And then when the left indiscriminately attacks them, I just see it as an indiscriminate attack. And they're denying the problems, but no one's really talking about, about, hey, I don't. And these drug dealers are the scum of the earth. I, I hate to tell you, you dabble in fentanyl and you kill someone's son. Bye, bye. I like you. You lose me. This is where I'm like, this is what you're going to do with your life. And I know what you guys do to kids and what you do to women and what you do, so on and so forth. I have zero sympathy and I do trust our intelligence that they're picking off bad guys. I believe that. Maybe I'm being naive and stupid, but I, you know, I didn't really appreciate that. One mistake take on four cartel members and it's over.

Eric Bolling (71:15)

It's over for Republicans is what it is. It's over for Trump's administrations, for policy, for we. Right now we have the narrative that we're, we're kind of bringing America back to senses. But this one, when these, when. And again, this is. These are, these are foreign waters. These, these are foreign actors. They're horrible people, they're hard dogs. Please let no one say that I'm defending narco terrorists. I mean, no one can hate them more than I do. No one can hate him more than I do. I really do. But we have to be smart about how we, how we, how we. Again, how we handle the problem. I don't think handling the problem of unfair trade fees, tariffs, two way trade and geopolitics is by upping tariffs on our side. The way to handle it is negotiating with something that they want, Give them something that they want. You want more access into our markets? You want more of this? Well, that's fine. You have to lower your tariffs. We'll give you more access to our soybeans if you lower your tariffs when we, when we sell shit into Brazil. I mean, those negotiate, but we don't have enough smart people doing the negotiations. We have a bunch of people who want to use, you know, they want to use sledgehammers instead of scalpels.

Jillian Michaels (72:26)

That's interesting. So you don't like Scott Besant? I thought I really liked him, but I don't know enough to.

Eric Bolling (72:31)

No, it's actually What I don't like is Howard Lotnick. Howard Lutnick, the Commerce Secretary, he's a hack. I knew him from Wall Street. He's not a good guy, he's not a smart guy, but he does know how to bully people. He's always been a bully. And this tariff idea, Trump had the tariff idea at 1.0 and he couldn't get it past Congress and whatnot. And I was happy about it. Howard Lutnick has just put so much chirping in Trump's ear about these tariffs. It's on him. And they're hard, horrible. There's a, it's a terrible anti free market policy. And it's, it's proving itself. We're quietly, he's quietly, oh, if you're an automaker, we're going to let you off your tariffs. Or if you're, you're aluminum, you're off your tariffs. If it's rare earth, no tariffs. So they, they throw this big thing up there. We're going to kill you all with tariffs and quietly let them off the hook. But meanwhile, we're all going, oh, we love tariffs. Right. And they're not really actually.

Jillian Michaels (73:26)

Yep.

Eric Bolling (73:26)

Happening in a lot of cases.

Jillian Michaels (73:28)

That makes perfect sense. I really appreciate the perspective. Eric, do you have time for one more? Okay, last one. And just because it's so ridiculous, I have to do it. I have decided that every week I want to take a moment to debunk something that's baloney or selective outrage on the left and utterly hypocritical. This one is the ballroom. The outrage and the uproar that I have seen over the ballroom. Like you, you know, you want to go bananas, go bananas about what you talked about with the Venezuelan boats. Go. But there's a million things you could be going bananas about that that have legitimacy. The ballroom is so bananas and. Okay, so I did a little homework into this. I'm sure you didn't bother because it's so absurd. It was built in 1902, so it's not like it was built 250 years ago. It was built as a cloak room to receive visitors initially by Teddy Roosevelt. In 1942, it was expanded by FDR to have some staff offices of the First Lady. There's a presidential emergency operations center under the ground there. And then they started using it to receive people. So I guess for press conferences, major ceremonial events, bill signings, honor ceremonies. Now, given that Trump would like to renovate it and make it a 90,000 square foot ballroom so we can properly receive Dignitaries in the way that America, America should. All right, now first I want to just dispel. It is being privately funded, so let's throw up this graphic real quick. This is not taxpayer dollars. So people are outraged about that. It's Apple, Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Palantir, Coinbase, Rep. The list goes on and on and on. But the long story short is you cannot lick who's funding it. That's totally fine, but it is not taxpayer dollars. Now, okay, I don't know if you've seen this error, but Obama did a $376 million renovation.

Eric Bolling (75:31)

Basketball court.

Steve Hilton (75:32)

Yeah.

Jillian Michaels (75:33)

So much infrastructure. And so was a basketball court. And, and when you try to find it online, it's almost impossible. It's like, no, this isn't true. This isn't true. But in fact, I pulled a clip, I have a clip for you. Can we show this guys? This is from CNN. I think it's circa 2010. Take a look at this. It 376 million taxpayer dollars. It's not the CNN poll. It is a clip of Trump's ballroom from cnn. It's really short. If we don't have it, that's okay. We can, we can insert it later. The long story short is when you try to figure out if that's true or not, it's almost impossible to find.

Eric Bolling (76:18)

There's been several presidents who've upgraded, by the way, spent so many hours at that place. It's, it needs an upgrade. The whole place needs an upgrade. And who better person to do it than a general contractor, Donald Trump. It's, it's, it's, it's magical and music and not a single taxpayer dollar. And it's just, it's just more Trump derangement syndrome. They're all saying, oh, wait a minute, we're going to have government shutdown. People's EBT cards are going to shut off on November 1st, but you're going to still build a $300 million ball. Yes, because it didn't cost taxpayer a dime. And by the way, the way it will up, it will scale up substantially. The feeling, the pride of this country when foreign dignitaries come over, whether it's Trump or another president down the road, it's a great idea. The place is really, really, really in need of upgrade. That briefing room, the briefing room that we see, whoever KJP under, under Biden or Caroline Levitt under, under Trump, that place was a swimming pool. One president made it a swimming pool, then they filled the swimming pool in, made it a floor, and that became rooms it's garbage, it's disgusting. It's tiny, old dingy. That thing needs a facelift too. There's nothing wrong with this. They just, they, they can't help themselves except to argue. Like I've said before, right? If Trump declared oxygen is amazing, beautiful and the best oxygen in the world, the left would say, well, Trump, oxygen sucks in America. It's just the way they are. It's just the way it is.

Jillian Michaels (77:46)

And this is the part, and this is my last, this is my last thing on it. I asked Chad, GPT, I was like, tell me like in comparison, right, to other presidents, other administrations, how does this compare? And oh my God, it goes. It literally said this to me. Eric, left leaning. Chad, cbt if you're outraged that Trump is building a ballroom, you may want to sit down. Obama had a four year, $376 million Renault paid for by tax dollars. Contrary to the narrative, this wasn't just infrastructure, it was, was for a full basketball court and a high end golf simulator for himself. Presidents have been adding personal and recreational spaces to the White House for over a century. Clinton added a music recording studio. Nixon put in a bowling alley. George W. Bush put in a jogging track and a horseshoe pit. FDR installed a swimming pool. It goes on and on and on. All this stuff was for them personally not to receive dignitaries and it was paid for with taxpayer dollars. Trump does it privately funded to, to, for, for the prestige of our country. And he's crucified by the left at Bonker Shorts.

Eric Bolling (78:52)

That's, that's it. That, that, that, this little episode, how they're juxtaposing the government shutdown in the ending of the EBT program, or at least the funding of it for the moment, with Trump building a privately funded ballroom which will make the country better, stronger and more beautiful to other foreign dignitaries down the road, including Democrats. There's, there it is right now. That's the bifurcation of American politics.

Jillian Michaels (79:15)

We do have the video, so just for the sake of credibility, I'm going to show it to you. Then I'm going to let you go. Show me my clip.

Steve Hilton (79:22)

Sounds like you're building another wing to.

Eric Bolling (79:23)

The White House, but we appreciate you keeping your focus.

Jillian Michaels (79:26)

Imagine tj, it's going to happen for the next two years. All the banging, the jackhammering, the dust, the confusion, the noise of all places to do construction is happening right here. The front lawn, the White White house. It's a four year renovation project. Estimated cost $376 million. All right, on that Note where can we find you? Where can we get more? Tell everybody.

Eric Bolling (79:54)

I'm so proud of you, the success you're having. I do a podcast now. It's called the Eric Bowling the Edge and it's all about male grit, being able to stand up and being able to be a guy again and look to become better, persevere, the grit, the get knocked down, jump back up again. I have a guy on right now, just dropped yesterday who's a, an influencer. His name is Tristan Hem, major Instagram influencers and outdoorsman. He has businesses, just turned professional boxer. He's a badass. He's kicking the butt of Kobe Covington and other major boxers. He wants Jake Paul. It's all about what it takes to get back up when you've been knocked down. And for God's sake, I can, I'm a testament to, to being knocked down a few times and be able to get back up. So it's called Eric Bowling the Edge and I appreciate you bringing me on and allowing me to just pitch that for just a second. But I am very, very proud to be on your very successful podcast and been a fan of yours for a long time.

Jillian Michaels (80:48)

Well, I love you for saying that. I'm very, very proud to have you on. Thank you for everything. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and your knowledge. I love everything you do. So I'm excited about the Edge. I'm going to watch that one on my way home from work today and I will have all the links in the show notes. Eric, I look forward to forcing you to come back again.

Eric Bolling (81:06)

Jillian, I look forward to doing that. Maybe we'll get you on the Dude's Edge. What do you think about that? That would be a fun.

Jillian Michaels (81:11)

I would actually, I would love to bring my 13 year old because he's so desperate for voices like this and that's actually how I ended up learning about Charlie Kirk. And I was like, oh, you know, thinking that he was a Fuentes character. So I thought I better figure this out and that's why I'm so familiar. And now there's a void for these young kids and I'm so glad that you're doing this because it's so desperately needed healthy messaging for young boys to feel good about their masculinity and know how to channel it. So I would love that more than anything.

Eric Bolling (81:46)

And well, Brain. What's his name?

Jillian Michaels (81:48)

Phoenix. His name's Phoenix.

Eric Bolling (81:49)

Phoenix. Awesome. Awesome. I'd love to have him. Love him. Bring. We'll tape with them.

Jillian Michaels (81:55)

He would love that. God help us all. Thank you so much, man. Go do your job.

Eric Bolling (82:00)

I'm on my way. Thank you, Jillian. Have a great day. You too.

Jillian Michaels (82:03)

Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like, comment, subscribe, and share. And make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.