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Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
Exposed: Twisted Reason The Far-Left Sides With Terrorists | Nick Matau
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Why do you think that foreign governments are using Israel, Palestine as a crowbar in our civilized society?
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Every single buzzword you hear comes from Operation seg. Yasser Arafat was a KGB agent with a code name.
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I'm sorry, yeah. What? Nick matau has spent 12 years as a nuclear trained Navy submariner. And when he got out of the Navy, he stepped into a different kind of warfare. The online political debate space.
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So don't give me this about America first or Israel first when your side is literally supporting a people that declare death upon us and literally celebrated on 9 11. Like, don't give me that.
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He's been dismantling bad arguments from the left ever since. Now he's one of the sharpest pro Israel voices in political discourse today.
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But the actual strike wasn't even on the hospital. It's technically right outside of it. But if you read Alzira, it'll say this was struck. And then people like you turn it into destroyed.
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And he's taken on everyone from fringe anti Semites to mainstream pundits and they keep losing. And as always, guys, if you're liking the show, please be sure to like, share, comment and subscribe. Let's get into it. Keeping it real with Jillian Michaels. Looking for a hero. Who is that person that is brave enough to tell the truth, wants to see us come together, but has the courage to say the hard things. And I'm finding it personally in young people like yourself and the way that you have defended. I'm going to say the Jews, honestly, the Jews. Because the Israel, Palestine argument is no longer, it is now about the Jews, in my opinion.
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That's right.
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Going after them in the streets, in front of their places of worship, in front of their businesses, whether it's in Canada or the UK or here in America. And I just learned you're not even Jewish. So why don't we start out with who are you?
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I was in the US Navy for 11 and a half years. And I was, I did, I was a nuclear operator on fast attack submarines, which is powered by a nuclear reactor pretty much right in there. And I did that. Yeah, for, like I said, almost 12 years. And even during that time, I got out in May 2023. And during that time, even while I was still in back In May of 2021, I saw. So for context, I was already making videos. I was getting close to getting close to 100,000 followers on TikTok. And this is before TikTok was like big.
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Yeah.
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And I was just talking about contemporary news. And you Know, politics, elections, Trump, all that. And back in May 2021, Hamas launches those 5,000 rockets into Israel. And I just see like almost overnight, all of these mostly leftists that they take their bio, which said things like BLM in it, and they remove that. They don't even add it on. They remove it and put free Palestine. Like, it's like the trend for the week. Because. Yes, because it is.
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Yeah.
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Yes. And I see that I just made a video. Not even. Wouldn't even call it necessarily pro Israel. It was mostly just calling that virtue signaling out. So, yeah, okay, I was pro Israel, but it wasn't. I wasn't really the video. I remember making it. Like at night I go to bed, wake up that next day, and that video goes like relatively viral. Not. Not in a good way. Like 70 to 80% hate comments. And 90% of those comments, people thought I was Jewish. And the amount of comments were not like, you know, you Jew even. It was like, Hitler, this. I hope you die. Burn gas, all that Stu. And this is 2021. This is pre October 7th. And so I was like, whoa. Because I did not grow up around. I mean, I'm originally from la, but not like a Jewish neighborhood. I originally was like Compton, Carson area. Then I moved to, yeah, Central Valley. And you know, that's where I joined the Navy out of. I didn't grow up around Jews. I, you know, maybe knew some. Maybe. I don't know. I decided like, wow, anti Semitism. I knew it existed, but I did not know it was that bad until people thought that I was Jewish. And then I was like, okay, wow, a little bit more interested. Anyone who knows me, you don't bully me to push me out of something. If anything, it's going to push me more in.
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Right.
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And so I read my first book, Arab Israeli wars on the conflict, because I was like, I want to know. I knew more than the average American already. But like, a lot of people today know me as like, wow, I'm Israeli. And I learned from you five years ago. I'll be honest with you, I didn't. I didn't even know very much. Again, compared to the average American, maybe, but not that much. And I read Arab Israeli wars by Chaim Herzog. And then I started to read anti Zionist books. Elon Pape, Constantine Zarake. And then I shift to Benny Morris, Ephraim Karr, sh. Alan Dershowitz, etc. Etc. I read, I read a lot, even some neutral books. And the more I read, the more it solidified, especially in the history, my position as someone who is pro Israel, I would been totally open to or, or changing because I was already relatively pro Israel. I would have been. I'd have no problem becoming pro Palestinian. But the more I read and the more inconsistencies I saw in Palestinian ism and also its origins, which I'm not going to harp on too much, but Operation Sig, the Soviet Union, disinformation.
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I actually do want to get into that. And the reason I would like for you to get into that in particular is because Candace Owens is going to Russia when this airs. She would probably have been. Tucker has been to Russia. Everybody's going to Qatar. Dan Blazerian is a newfound Islamist who's in Qatar. Talkers in Qatar buying property in Qatar. And there does seem to be a huge amount of foreign money. Even people I know like Tim Pool and Dave Rubin ended up finding out that some of their money came from foreign governments through ad campaign. They didn't know anything about it. But I think that's very relevant. So I would love for you to address that.
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Yeah, as for like Ruben, I actually just saw him speak in Miami. Great guy. But yeah, as for, you know, people like them not knowing this is the whole point, is that they, they purposely make this large paper trail. Right. To make it difficult to figure out where money does and or does not come from. Operation Sig. So there's a guy named John Passepa, he was the largest, largest effector from the Soviet Union after the Soviets fell and he admitted to all this and there was others as well, but he's a big one.
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I may have seen this. Is this the. It's like a video of this guy talking about this and how they're going to infiltrate society, Western society, and like rot it from the inside out.
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I'm sure there are probably videos. There's a book on it as well. And there's, there's plenty of information. Like if you goog Operation Sig, you'll find research papers, peer reviewed information. I'm sure there's videos. You'll find a lot on it. Wow. And so Operation Sig, which Sig is just the. I don't speak Russian, but it's a shortened version of a long Russian word that essentially means, I believe, Zionist government or Zionist governments. Right. And Russia, Soviets. They wanted to actually when Israel was first formed, they saw them as a potential ally Israel because, you know, when you look at Ben Gurion and the early kibbutzim style type communal. Yeah. They wanted to be more of a Communist or maybe like socialist S type society. And so Russia was eyeing Israel. Then you get to the 56 and Sinai conflict and they back the UK and the west and they go, you know, Soviets are like, okay, maybe this is a one off. But they didn't like that. Right. And then by the Six Day War, all of the Soviet funded Arab armies were embarrassed in the Six Day War, the Soviets were embarrassed. It was. I mean even still when you read about the Six Day War, it's just like how, how did Israel.
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Do you know what I know about that, Nick? Nothing could just for anybody who knows exceptionally little, can you tell me in a nutshell who started it? What happened?
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Yeah, you have people like Mehdi Hassan who try to make an entire video saying, no, actually Israel started it because their belief of whoever launched the first explosive is that is the start of the war.
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Was this Egypt? This was Egypt, wasn't it? Or am I getting that conflict wrong? There's so many of these.
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Yeah. So Egypt and Syria really form an alliance to include some of the other Arab nations. But they were the spear. Well really Egypt and Syria, if we're going with like the first bomb and you don't think of anything else. Syria was launching or from Syria was launching attacks into Israel months before the Six Day War. So even if you go with that, it wasn't Israel. But that being said, he nationalizes the Sioux as Egypt. Right. Nasser. And they nationalize it. And this was literally. And he even said he didn't care that it was effectively would be seen as an act of war, which fair enough, you do what you want to do. But they did that also the UN peacekeeping forces come in because Egypt starts to mobilize troops.
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Right, right, right.
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The Sinai.
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Yeah.
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Surrounding Israel. Syria has been launching in Israel for months already. They're attacking up there and, and they're starting to mobilize and surround Israel and the UN peacekeeping forces, they go in and Nasser effect or Egypt effectively says if you guys don't leave, we're going to treat you like the enemy too and attack you. And of course the UN in all its brilliance just leaves, does nothing. They leave. And so this idea that Israel started the war because they did a preemptive strike on what was very clearly mobilization of troops and getting ready to attack Israel is absolutely insane.
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Shame to tell you that. I saw a movie on it and that's honestly about the extent of it. And it was like they knew it was coming and you know, what do we do? And everybody was sort of asking them not to do anything. And that. That's. That's the extent of my knowledge on this.
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Well, what's really funny is you talk to some of these pro Palis and they go, well, Israel wanted October 7th to happen because they saw that they were building up. Why didn't they just preemptively stop it? Well, how did you guys react when they preemptively stopped it in the Six Day War? You guys blamed them for that. So don't give me this. Oh, they should have done that when you blamed them for the Six Day War as well.
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Right, right. So my question, I think right now is why do you think that foreign governments are using Israel, Palestine as a crowbar in our civilized society? Why that everything comes down to that. To the point that I'm like, okay, this is ridiculous now, Charlie Kirk, Israel. Oh, Thomas Massie, Israel. In fact, 9, 11 as well. And we think they also killed Abraham Lincoln. I'm like, all right, now you a Titanic as well. Yeah, this is where I'm going. Okay, what's really going on here? Because you've crossed out of a reasonable, rational conversation, why this? How has. Who? I'm sorry, Nick.
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Right.
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Who cares?
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Why not just treat Israel like any other country you can do care about? Maybe dislike it, maybe not. Yeah, yeah.
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Where was your outrage about that one? Or the Uyghurs being slaughtered by China? Like, why do you. What do you think that is? Why the Jews? Why this conflict?
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Right. So I mean, this. Well, to segue, to answer your question, segue back a little bit into Operation Sig. It's the. So back in the Soviets, long story short, they wanted to attack America, right. But they couldn't reach it. Quite the same. So what do they do? They go after Israel as a way. As a segue. And in a way. And to attack the west. Because by the Six Day War, Soviets are like, okay, they're siding with the West. They're not our allies. And so even before the Six Day War, though, because that was in 67. PLO, Palestine Liberation Organization by. That was in 1964.
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Right.
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By the way, that's the first time they ever adopted the flag. That flag, you see, the Palestinian flag was actually created by Mark Sykes from Sykes, Pico, English fellow. And you know, anyways, long story short, he created it for the Kingdom of Ajaz. Arab revolt. Flag had nothing to do with Palestinians. But I digress. So Operation say. Yeah. So they go in, they create a massive not misinformation, disinformation campaign, which, by the way, disinformation is Coined by Stalin and.
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Kidding.
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Yeah, yeah. They create a disinformation campaign. They take the Protocols, the Elders of Zion, which, by the way, is just a plagiarized book. They take this book, they translate to Arabic, and they send it throughout the Arab world. Why? Because step one, make the Arab world even more anti Semitic. Right. Because once we can get that and have them have more of a problem with the Jews, then we can go on to step two. Right. Demonizing Israel and all this is confirmed, by the way. And then they. They start. Every single buzzword you hear comes from Operation Sig. Yasser Arafat was a KGB agent with the code name.
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I'm sorry, yeah.
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What? Mahmoud Abbas, also a KGB agent with a code name. Mahmoud Abbas is the Palestinian president today. The Palestinian Authority president today. He wrote his dis. All of that. You know what they told Yasser Arafat? He had his own handler, essentially told him, hey, when you speak in Arabic, go ahead and say what you want to say, but when you speak to the west in English, stop saying stuff like jihad. Say you're fighting for human rights. It'll work better. Everything you hear today started from that. They were funding schools. Does that sound familiar? What do we see today? Qatar is funding schools. At the time, it was Soviet Union. Qatar, last year, put more money into our university system, more money into our university than last year alone, than AIPAC and all the pro Israel and the super PACs that AIPAC started in 2022, all of that combined in the past 28 years. Qatar did more in our university system last year alone than all of that combined.
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You know, the only reason I know that is because the kids were like, divest from Israel. And I was like, my God, how much money does Israel have in. In our freaking schools? I'm upset about that. And then I came, I'm like, wait, wait a minute. Every time I go down one of these rabbit holes, I said, I'm like 70 something percent Arab. Like, my parents did not have religion in the household, arguably because they know the kind of rift and tension that. That this stuff creates amongst people. Like, but, like, I went into it just like you did with like, I don't know, you know, Israel could be like, I could be pro Palestinian. But when I start to follow these attacks, I always end up it like, you know, oh, they put so much money and they lobby so much, they're like, not even one of the top 10 countries doing it.
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Yeah, it's all part of what's called the 100 Year Plan by the Muslim Brotherhood. And we're about halfway through that right now. It's to infiltrate schools, politics, care. Mamdani. Like, all. It's all. All of it's connected. CARE was a unindicted co conspirator in the 2008 Holy Land foundation trial. Essentially, to keep it short, it was. They found pro Palestinian organizations that were giving funding to human rights and funding to Gazans and these poor Palestinians. Turns out, after following the money, they were giving money to Hamas, taking people's donations, giving it to terrorist organizations. And CARE was an unindicted co conspirator in that case and the Council of American Islamic Relations. And that's why Texas and I believe
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Florida banned them from buying land.
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That's right. Yeah. And I've come and said they're a terrorist entity. Hopefully it happens federally, not just Texas and Florida, but it's a good start.
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Why do you think it hasn't? I've asked that question and no one really has an answer. Do you think it's because Trump is trying to expand the Abraham Accords?
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I think sometimes people maybe
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because they gave him a half a billion dollar plane, like, why has it not.
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You know who UNRA is?
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No Babes.
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Oh, man. Okay. So unra, no.
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I have tried to stay out of this.
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Okay.
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But I'm at the point now where I'm like, I no longer can, and bad actors are trying to pull me into this conversation, and I'm like, okay, I have to learn.
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I'll keep it quickly and short. So UNR is essentially an organization that, you know, started at the begin of the state of Israel. It's a. It works with the un. Right. It's a Palestinian organization to essentially handle the Palestinian refugees. Right. By the way, Palestinians are the only people in the world that get their own special refugee status. Only every other refugees in the world operate under the general parameters of the un. Only the Palestinians get this special status. They're the only ones that get to pass it on to their kids and their kids. Kids, kids, kids, kids. Right. They're the only ones that can have a life. Like Bella Hadid and Gigi Hadid. They're counted as Palestinian refugees under unwra. They're like millionaires, right? Yeah, yeah. You can get a citizenship anywhere else. They're the only ones that didn't have to cross international borders to be counted as refugees. They're the only ones. UNWRA defined a refugee as anyone just living in that region for just two years. If you were living there for two years when the 1948 war happened. You're a refugee. Anyways, the reason I bring them up is because they were not supposed to be this permanent thing. They still exist to this day with like 30,000 employees, tens of billions of dollars. America was the biggest funder of them until, thank God, Trump actually is doing something about it. Especially after October 7th. Because it turns out UNWRA, a lot of the members of UNRA participated or supported October 7th. Right. This is a UN agency and some of them were participating in October 7th. Anyways, the reason I bring them up is because it wasn't supposed to be this permanent thing. It was supposed to be, hey, there's this problem with this refugees. We need to kind of figure it out to help them either into a new life or come back or whatever the case.
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And the west created this mess though, because it was a British colony and the Brits did that. Why are we not pissed it? I mean, I don't think we need more like anti Western rhetoric, but I'm just saying it's focused on the Jews that literally had nowhere to go and had just been had. Six million of them exterminated.
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Yeah, the Palestinians and Palestinianism. Nobody really, in my opinion, cares about the Palestinians. People care about the Jews. And the Palestinians have attached themselves along for the ride. In fact, I think their entire identity is attached to Jews and undermining Jews and the Jewish state. If you take that one thing out, their identity completely collapses and the entire world would not talk about them any more than they talk about anything else.
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Because they can't use them as a tool to demonize the Jews, you're saying?
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That's correct.
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Got it.
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And so with. With UNRA, I get what you're saying. Yeah. With UNRA, back in the day, America and Britain, the U.K. really, they tried to tell like, hey, why is UNWRA still a thing? This was not supposed to be a permanent thing. And they were going to do an investigation on this was back in like, I don't remember the exact 50s, 60s maybe. And they were pressured to like stop it. Right. And so they dropped the ball. And so to answer your question about carrot. Look, I don't have the answer, but I'm gonna go ahead and agree with you that I think there's just come some social pressures where they're afraid if we do this, then it's gonna collapse. Other things. Huh. I understand.
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Okay. All right. This narrative is attached to so many others. Like no Kings, Blm. Like you said, like they're, they're, you know. Oh, it's like the new pin. Okay, I got a new pin. This one is about Palestine. This one's about blm. This one is about, you know, no Kings, which again, leads me back to thinking this is a CCP narrative. But when I watch these people in the streets, they are fervent. They do not look like they just took a check from Neville Roy Singham. What is this bigger picture? I'm looking at this hodgepodge of movements, this patchwork that's like, anti west, anti cop, anti ice, anti Jew. And, like, what is the bigger picture? This is all a. Do you think foreign government's doing this?
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Oh, 100%. It's. It's all connected. The Red Green alliance everyone should look into. But the reason it's all connected. I was at UCLA during the encampments, right, that they. They set up some time ago. I went with my good friend Cam Higby, incredible independent journalist, right. And we were one of the first ones to actually get into the camp as somebody who wasn't pro Palestinian, because they were blocking anyone. I mean, if you had a Star of David, don't even go near them. And so what. What I did was, you know, I. I put on a keffiyeh. I teach Cam how to put on keffiyeh. And I speak. Not Arabic well, but more than these white virtue signalers, they're all.
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That's the end. Yeah, all these, you know, there's white sabers or white people. Yeah, super white through the.
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Yeah. So convincing them that I was half Palestinian, like, I'm just here for the cause. Just to get in wasn't the hardest thing. And then I get Cam in, and we weren't there to do anything. We literally were just there to just observe and film. And we even helped a lot of them kind of set up the tents because we weren't there to be mean. We weren't there to cause any problems. We just wanted to see what was inside. And they even actually asked us to be security because of how nice we were. But we were like, oh, no, thank you.
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Yeah.
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But anyways, hard pass. Yeah. So the reason I bring it up to your point is communist symbols everywhere. They were passing out pamphlets, by the way, from Hamas propaganda media, Right. Literally, it still had the watermark and stuff. They were passing out Marxism, acab. They were destroying buildings and spray painting things that are older than everyone that was in that vicinity. Right? And they were destroying it, putting acab, communist symbols, hammer and sickle, queers for Palestine, whatever that is.
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Oh, my gosh. Where's for Palestine? I got. I want to circle back to that, but I keep interrupting your transition.
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No, no, you're. You're finished.
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I'm just so fascinated by.
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It's just to answer the question, yes, of course this is foreign influence. That doesn't mean that every single person in Catman is some kind of foreign agent. Of course not. They're all useful idiots, but they're told what to say when. When I was there, right. I went to UC Berkeley some weeks after, right. The encampment was not as enclosed, like, it was more free walk. So I decided to do something different. And I also went with Cam Higby and my friend Br. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go back, I'm grab my Israeli flag, and I'm gonna be like, just a one man protest against these hundreds of people, right? And I did. I was one person waving the Israeli flag. It was actually. I had a really cool picture with that where I'm just by myself and there's just like a hundred of them. They start to argue with me, and none of them could beat me. So I just. I'm just like telling them why they're wrong. And I'm answering them like, bam, bam, bam. And somebody comes out randomly and starts going into their ears. I know what he said. He said, stop talking to him, right? Because all of a sudden they all go silent. None of them, they all get kind of like, almost like they're like petrified, like they don't want to speak anymore. And some of them go back into their tents. Some of them, they stay out there, but they don't say a word anymore because of this one guy came out, said some stuff to them, and went back. And all of a sudden they stopped speaking. Obviously, this is the guy that's getting information from somebody who's probably getting information from somebody, and they use these useful idiots. Why? Let me ask you, if you wanted to change a mindset of a population of a country you're trying to undermine, who would you target? College students. Why? Because they're the dumbest adults. Why? Because they're the youngest adults or the newest adults. Of course, you target the. You know, yeah, you probably target the kids as well, but you want action now. You get the adults. You're not going to change the mind of adults that have experience and they're wise. Maybe one or two of them. You target the. The university students. And that's been historically a thing since recorded history.
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You know, I. I just watched a clip of Harrison Ford giving a graduation speech I can't remember. I wanted to say Duke, but I actually can't remember. And he basically tells these kids they need to be like, social justice warriors, quite literally. I'll drop it in for the audience. But he basically is like, indigenous people are being killed, and these people are being killed, and everybody's being killed. And you must. Warriors against the evil imperialism. You know, whitey. My generation, and it's this, like, spittle, and I'm like, oh, my God, that's Han Solo. We need cultural change.
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We need to extend social justice. We need to respect and elevate the
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indigenous people that are being marginalized and
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in many cases, pulled in cold blood. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, and instead of saying to these kids, you know, have a beautiful family and a beautiful career and. And be brave and take chances and telling stories about his own success, he's galvanizing them, like, whilst frothing at the mouth to fight. I don't know who the west whitey. And I. I just. I think these. These kids feel like they must be the defenders of the weak and the oppressed, but they don't. They don't see one. Okay, I'll give you another example. I went on CNN and every day, MAGA's racist. MAGA's racist. MAGA'S racist. Oh, and you're a MAGA. Like, okay, I'm MAGA. Fine. Call me MAGA. I couldn't care less. I'm actually a moderate. But it makes. Same thing as with you. It's like when they call me maga and they go after these people who are just like, you know, go to church, working two jobs, trying to make a living, think the system hasn't worked for them, and you demonize them and call them, like, racists and fascists and transphobes. I'm like, you know what? No problem. I'm gonna tattoo Maga. Even though everybody in Maga is like, she's a 90s liberal, but we'll allow it. You know, So I get into this fight, and it's, you know, all of them are racists. And at that moment, I just had had it. And I'm like, first of all, this has been going on for thousands of years, and I wanted to say, why are you not upset about the trans Saharan slave trade? How come you're not mad about the Muslims taking slaves since the 7th century? Like, why are you not outraged about that? How come you only apply this to white people when in fact less than 2% of them, according to the census, right before the Civil War, Owned slaves. And then if we get into the whole conversation of. Yeah, but they all, you know, all these white people lived off that economy. Yes. In the south, they did. In the north, they didn't. All these white people fought to keep it. Yes. And 350,000 white people fought to end it.
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Right.
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The Brits, I think, were like the first civilized society, weren't they, to spend blood and treasure.
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Yeah, they. Yeah, they talk about all the time about slavery. Slavery still to this day happens. They don't talk about it, but they don't talk about who went out of their way to also end slavery. And I'm right there with them. We're on their side. I'm glad slavery was ended. It was a noble cause to fight for. Slavery is evil. Why are you demonizing me because of the color of my skin? As if I'm some kind of person advocating to enslave black people?
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Right. Of course.
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You shouldn't do that. It's evil.
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And if they do learn it, they also just don't care. Why do you think Jews are considered as white today? You know why? Because when you look into the mind of the anti Semite, it adapts all the time. If you use this term as the bad thing of a society, whether the communist is a bad thing, guess what Jews are now. Oh, I don't mean Jews, I mean the communists. If capitalists is the bad people, then they go, I don't mean Jews, I mean the capitalists. Now today, white people are demonized and whitey is bad. So guess what? Now all of a sudden the Jews who were not white enough just a couple generations ago and were slaughtered effectively because of it. Yes, now, now all of a sudden they're white. They're white Europeans. It's like that's, that's very weird.
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Ultimate imperialist.
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Yeah, no, I don't mean the Jews. I mean the Zionists. Right. And then the next generation, I'm sure it'll be something else because that's, that's how the anti Semitic arguments develop. And no, I don't think, because I know people will say it, I'll say it right now. Of course, if you don't like BB Net and Yahoo, or the government of Israel, of course that doesn't make you an anti Semite. And I hate when people straw man our arguments. To simplify, when I make a well thought out argument about why having a double standard or even a singular standard against the one Jewish state is anti Semitic, I hate when they hear me make that argument and they go, oh, you think I'm anti Semitic because I don't like Bibi or I don't support Israel, the government. No, when did I say that? I don't know anyone that has said that. In fact, if that made you an anti Semite, I was just in Israel. Every Israeli is an anti Semite because they complain about their government more than anyone.
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That's what I've said. I actually have like several people very close to me who happen to be Israeli. One of my business partners is Israeli. An ex of mine is Israeli. The woman who's done my hair and makeup for 20 years and arguably one of my best friends, her ex husband is Israeli, making her children Israeli. And they complain about their government.
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Oh, yeah.
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But for some reason it has left that arena. And literally, Nick, the fact that I was unwilling to engage in a conversation about Israel. Charlie Kirk, who was their ultimate champion, which is just insane. But unwilling to do that, especially a few. The day after his funeral. You genocidal Zionist. And I, I didn't even. This is even mean.
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It's a way to bully you into submission. Because if they can make you feel so bad through exaggerated claims and they can demonize a word so much that it constants like clockwork. Zionist means that. Zionist means this. Zionism is this. And you tell society that, then all of a sudden all they have to do is say, you're a Zionist. And all of a sudden you're like, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, that's not true. And they don't have to do this long, drawn out argument of why you're a bad person. All they have to do is demonize a word or two and then use those word or two against you.
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Right, right. And the reality is I am a Zionist, I believe, because I think Israel has a right to exist now personally. And you know, well, you know, there's a debate to come about this with. With who? A person who I think is a very honest actor. I, I at the moment would love to see a two state solution. That's what I. In my head, as an idea, as an ideology. As an ideology. I want people to just, I just want. Nick, I just want people to get along, man. I know how crazy that sounds.
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No, no, it's, it's.
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But I, I just, I'm like, I want peace. I want people to stop fighting. I don't understand this. I don't. Fundamentally, I don't. And when I watch them go after each other and dehumanize each other online, it disturbs me to my core. And I have to stop and think, is this just an online phenomena? But then it goes to the streets and then it goes to the governments. Now in the uk, people who are speaking out against radical Islam, like CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood, like you just did, they're now blocking them from the country, but they're working to bring the guy that says he wants to white women and the Jews, they're so glad that they were able to give him citizenship in the uk. And get him out of prison in Egypt.
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Here Starmer goes and makes a tweet. I'm delighted that Allah el Fatah is back in the UK and has been reunited with his loved ones who must be feeling profound relief. I want to pay tribute to all his family. They have worked and campaigned for this moment. Allah's case has been a top priority for my government since we came to office. I'm grateful for President Sisi for his decision to grant the pardon.
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So the reason I bring this up is because it starts out as like. For me, this is what I see.
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Okay.
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Starts out as like Israel, Palestine. Okay? Now, now it's a radicalized movement online and you're a genocidal Zionist. And all Jews. Like, if you don't think that Israel. Charlie Kirk, you're a genocidal Zionist. That's just my example. Obviously there are millions of others. Right? So I'm going. Wait, hold on. What does this have? This is unhinged. What does this have to do with criticisms of Netanyahu? Now it's in the streets and they're hanging Jews in effigy and they're attacking young Jewish girls outside of synagogues.
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And what happened in Canada with Esti.
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Is this the one with the Jew hanging in effigy with the kippa on?
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No, I saw that as well. There's a little. The girl. Luckily she was found, but she was missing. 14 year old girl, I believe. And you know what these people did because her name is Esther. Posters all around the town. They ripped them down. They ripped them down. They were just trying to find their daughter. But because she had a Jewish name, people in Canada were ripping the posters down. Right. It's insane.
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It's insane.
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Sorry, I keep going. No, no, but.
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But it's. This is what I'm. So then it goes from there into the governments. So now Mamdani is having like religious ceremonies in public places and with his staff, agencies fed. And the thing is, I. Honestly, Nick, I really don't. Mandani freaks me out for a host of reasons, but it's not actually the fact that if he was just a Muslim, like, okay, amazing. But why are you bringing that into the government? Like, we have a separation. We're not a theocracy. If people are going after In N Out burger for Bible verses on their packaging. And yet this guy is having like, you know, shutting down parks and mention
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his extremely shady past and who he supported, not to mention his wife.
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Oh, hijackers. The dad likes, the wife celebrates. Plane hijackers.
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She Liked a lot of stuff on October 7th too, so probably both, right? Yeah. There was a, you know, funny, a famous video or sorry, photo that went viral with Ms. Israel taking a picture of a before and after and you know, Mrs. Mamdani like smiles and then she finds out it's Miss Israel. And the dirtiest look, it was just like that photo of, I think it was Goebbels who they got a picture and he's smiling and then they found out that the photographer was Jewish and his face was just like, I want to like slaughter you. Also, it was funny to know that she. I'm pretty sure she had an iPhone in that photo. They're supposed to be BDS in that. I guess she's not that much for the cause, but whatever. Oh, nice.
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I'm sitting back and I'm wondering, am I down a rabbit hole online? But as it goes from online to the streets to the government, I don't think so. What do you think is happening and how do we fight this?
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Yeah, I think that they have learned that disinformation campaigns and the power of social media, which makes up about 80 to 90% actually maybe even more of that disinformation of what convinces a population to be one way or the other. Social media comes in the forms of bite sized amounts. And the people, these bad faith actors understand that better than anyone and they are masters at pr and it is easier to convince, especially younger people in 60 second clips, out of context clips, edited clips and slogans. It's easier to convince them to be one way than the other. So to answer your question about like, hey, if I don't think this way all of a sudden, like Israel Charlie Kirk, I'm a genocidal freak that loves BB or whatever, it's. The reason is, is because their goal is not true. Their goal is ideal ideology shift. That's their goal. And so if they can get you to feel bad about every single little thing, then even if that comes off as crazy, the moderate things don't come off as crazy. It's like overshooting. You know, you miss you kind of, you know, you aim for the moon. If you miss, you land amongst the stars. Kind of ideology, you know, and so it's to attack you for everything. Right. If you know whitey's bad, you have to just absolutely demonize Israel. You can't just even like hate it. You want it to be demolished.
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Yeah.
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Just completely gone. Yeah. And it's insane. I'm with you. And I'm definitely scared for the west and every time I've convinced myself I'm only third, I just turned 34. And I remember the United States of America being different than it is today. I shouldn't. That should happen for a whole lifetime. Like, when I'm in my 80s, I should be telling my grandchildren, like, yeah, it was different back then, but it's like I'm in my mid-30s and I'm telling my son, like, yeah, no, it was different. Like 10 years ago.
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Say, when did you notice it? You woke up to the. The Jewish issue in 21. I didn't wake up to it until after October 7th.
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Yeah.
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When they were tearing the posters down of the hostages in New York and celebrating what I, you know, what I consider to be some of the most horrific attacks. And it doesn't mean that I am happy that innocent Palestinians were killed. I'm not. I'm devastated by all of it.
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Right.
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But what I find so strange is it's like the day after October 7th, people were celebrating. That is just that sort of underlying hatred in our culture that I didn't even know existed.
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Yeah, I. So even worse, with the October 7th example, they were. I believe it was in the UK, maybe Canada. I pretty sure it was the UK. They were putting in permits to do pro Palestinian rallies while October 7th was still happening. Not even. They didn't even wait until the slaughtering was done before they were already mobilizing some.
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Somewhere. I think we. Nick, there was a switch that flipped. And I say to my kids, I'm like, I don't know how you're gonna grow up in this, because something is. Something is wrong.
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Although the issue. What is this social media has. Has connected the country and has made the world a lot less. Lot, lot smaller and the country a lot smaller. So back in the day, a lot of our ideologies, at very best, may have been connected to local news or even like when you were in high school, right. You know, you kind of were connected to the kids in your school. Maybe you had some outreach to other kids in other schools, but, like, that's how it worked. Today, that doesn't really exist anymore. Now one person can make a video that goes viral, and the whole entire nation, high school to high school, college to college, is now talking about it or doing it or saying a trend. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. That's not the point. The point is, is that it's all connected now. Now then ask yourself, because I'm pretty sure everyone can say, I agree with that. Now ask yourself what's most likely to go viral? Right, okay. It's going to be the ones that make the most extreme opinions. It's not going to be the person that goes like, you know, I'm actually pretty moderate with this and I actually kind of want. That's not, that's how it's going to go viral. Right, Right. It's going to be the people like, you know, the Nick Fuentes is and the, you know, Foodles and the Hassan Pikers and all that. Yeah, like they're going to be able to say. So that's what's going to go viral. So you connect those two ideologies that the fact that social media makes the world small.
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Right.
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What goes most viral, the most extreme.
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Oh my God. You make such. That has helped me a ton. That's far better than my. I think CERN created a. And that's why wormhole and we slipped into it. I'm like, surely this has happened. I must be at any moment I'm going to wake up from this dream. Right.
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But I, I, that's, that's also why
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I appreciate that that's better than, than where I was five minutes ago.
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The silver lining is that that's also why social media also doesn't really equal real life. And that's why these podcast to stand people. Yeah, right. They get so confused with like. But I don't understand all the clicks and likes and views or with Thomas Massie, how did he lose? It must be. It must be Pro Israel lobbying group. Okay, well, couple things. One, it could also just be that your views don't translate to real life. So let's see, which one is it? So Thomas Massie, his campaign and the ones that went against him definitely was record breaking in terms of how much was spent. But if I asked, when I asked a lot of people, how much do you think the anti Massey camp spent over the Mass camp? They did spend more, but how much more? Hundred times more. At least 50 times more. It was not even twice as much. No, I admit it was more, but they spent. The Massey camp spent about half as much also. They're like, well, it's these Jewish billionaires or pro Israel lobby really, Because Jeff Yass, who is a Jewish billionaire, funded Thomas Massie a lot. And he by the way, is a Zionist too. And don't even get me started on his endorsement of the NAIC, the National American Iranian Council and these other super PACs. And they're connected with IRGC or pro IRGC, I should say, you know, propaganda.
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All this stuff, I just saw some kid whipping Anna Kasparian about that.
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He's like Travis Kestenbaum. Oh my gosh, I love him. He's great.
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He is. What a little genius.
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I've never seen Anna ever quiet. Yeah, I've never seen it.
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And ripped her.
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She just. And then the only thing she could say because he said, you've had Thomas Massey on your show quite a few times. And she like, it wasn't quite a few times, it was just like once the day before the election. And it's like. All right, that's. That's what you wanted to interrupt Anna. Yeah, anyways, but no, I mean, Shabbos is right. Very good friend of mine. He's very, very intelligent. Yeah, he's right. And so when people think Thomas Massey was a seven term incumbent and Ed, the guy that beat him didn't even know who he was, he was effectively a nobody. Had no reason to lose. The reason you lost one because you went against Trump in Kentucky where he slaughtered, I mean, 40 plus district. Oh yeah. It's insane how well he's liked in Kentucky, so that's dumb. And also you're a hypocrite and a snake. First off, Thomas Massie talks about the Epstein files so much. Do you know how many times Thomas Massie really brought up the Epstein files? Between 2021 and 2024 combined. I looked it up three times. Not three per week or per year? Three times. 2025. It was, I think over 300 times. Right. You weaponize them. And hey, look, I admire him gathering those signatures and helping gather those signatures to get that bill passed. Absolutely. Anyone on the Epstein files? You're disgusting. Nobody. Nobody is like, no, no, no. They're good people for doing that. Nobody thinks that. But I don't want you to be a snake and weaponize it. Thomas Massie comes out just, you know, like last week. What does he say? He goes, effectively admits to having names for the past eight months and not really them. Even if somehow you can give me a reason like why? Why didn't you release them? You're protecting pedophile. By your logic, you're protecting them. But let's say you gave me a good reason. Then he comes out and he says, but I'll release them before I leave Congress. Release them today. If you truly have incriminating evidence to at very minimum put the court of public opinion on people that are pedophiles, why would you not release them today? That's insane.
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Right?
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So don't give me this like oh, Thomas Massey lost. Thomas Massey lost because he's being a snake. He's being very shady. He said, if I lose, it will be a sign from God. I'll get out of politics. I want to do something else. Loses. What does he do? Immediately run for president or. No, you know, he put in a 20, 28 bad, I think for Kentucky again. Oh.
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Oh, I thought he wanted to run for 28 president.
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That's what I was here. I hope not. Geez. No, no, no.
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I think it was the Kentucky. I thought that was the game. Oh, I'm totally out of. Okay, my bad. I thought he was.
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I think it was just a Kentucky
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Lauren Bobert or something like that.
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Maybe that. You know what? You know what? I'll look into it. Maybe that was a separate thing. But regardless, point is, is he definitely lied about that as well. And it's like, this is what people notice about you. And so all of these clicks that. And likes and views mostly just honestly, a lot of it's foreign influence. How many of those clips I challenge people? I did it on a live. I said I went live. Yeah, I went on X, went to my analytics. It's like 60, 70% American and like Israel was like 5 to 10% of my views. I said I challenged Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, you know, Dave Smith. All these people just do the same thing. Go into your analytics, screenshot it, don't manipulate it, post it on your X for us all to see. I'm curious. Maybe, maybe it. Maybe it is all kosher. I don't know. But I'm curious. Show us what your analytics look like. Right? I think X should actually make that public because recently X did a very good thing and they made it public to where you're at. Yeah.
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Where you're at, though, Nick, I looked a little further into this because I was getting some crazy and I was like, america, it turns out that there is a huge operation where you can sell your Twitter accounts.
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B
And yeah, that's true.
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A
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Sign up today@fox.com over the time it's gotten a little bit better, but I've been through over the time on Tick Tock where that's why I started. Right. I've expanded to Instagram X and YouTube now, but like tick tock, I've been through 20 to 25 accounts and it's always just mass reporting. And I know because you'll have a video go viral on the wrong side and then all of a sudden the next day it's just like, this video is removed. This removed. This video was removed from three months ago. It's like, what? And it's like, obviously it's just mass reporting from these just absolute insane maniacs. Bullies. That's what they are. They are, they are bullies. Right.
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Do you think it's real people? I think it's like maybe some, but a lot are bots.
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I think there's, there is undoubtedly nobody can deny these, these bottles arms.
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Right.
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But I also don't want to use as an excuse to remove the hate that we see from these Islamist sympathizers and the left. Yeah, but, but yes, yes, I, I do wholeheartedly believe that. But I also think that it causes this shift in ideology that creates hateful rhetoric from real people.
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You say quote the wrong way. What do you mean the wrong way? The video goes viral the wrong way.
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Oh, I just mean like it goes viral, but it's like 80, for whatever reason doesn't hit your normal algorithm and it hits the other side and it's just like you're like, oh, you wake up, you're like, oh, this video has like a million views right on Tick Tock. And then you click and the Comments are like 80. Like, I hope you die. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, that's why it went viral. I went to the wrong.
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Right, right, of course.
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Which I don't mind. I don't care about the comments that I get. I, I've, I've desensitized myself a lot over the past five years. But it just sucks when it comes with consequences. Like all they have to do is mass report and they punish You. Yes, Right. And it's like, what?
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You get punished. I had. I had this happen on a video on TikTok about ivermectin. A doctor was just talking about the fact that ivermectin is 30 years old, has nominal side effects. I think one, some sort of like a Nobel Prize or something, because it would treat children in the developing world that had parasites. And it got demonized during COVID Obviously, some theories as to why, but never. Nevertheless, we don't need to go down that rabbit hole today. But nevertheless, like, they banned the whole. The whole channel got shut down. I haven't really gone back. I haven't. That people are like, you've got to start posting the podcast stuff on there. But it just. It makes you. TikTok is, like, really captured beyond words. Yeah.
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B
It's insane. And then, you know when it was recently had that deal where they said a Jew bought it. No, they're talking about Ellison. He's just a major stakeholder. But regardless.
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Oh, yeah.
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Just thought like, oh, that's going to shift it in your favor now, because now the Jews on TikTok, it got, like, almost arguably worse.
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It got worse.
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Yeah. And it's just like, you think that. You think Ellison is looking at these onesie twosie, like, down to the low level of TikTok, and it's like, I really need to change that. I need to help out Nick Mattel. He's. He's. He's a Zionist. I got to help that guy out. He doesn't care about me. He doesn't know about me or other people like, my platform. He doesn't care.
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You have a wife and a son?
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B
Yes. Not with. Not with her. It's from a prior relationship, marriage.
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Not even where I'm going with this.
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Okay.
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You take this on. Do you worry?
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Oh, yeah, all the time. I mean, me too. I.
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Me too.
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I. I am somebody that's like, look, even through threats, I want to live a life that stands up by my values. But of course, I had a gun pulled on me at UC Berkeley, which, by the way, I mean, we're in the Bay Area. Told the police it wasn't just me, it was the friends. I was talking about Cam, Higby and Bracha as well. Tell the police, like, and it was graduation day. There was kids there. We're like, there's a guy. Antifa. Like, like, all you saw was his eyes, everything else black and gloves, everything. And we said, there's a guy with a gun in there. And they're like, yeah, yeah, we'll take care of it. Never do. No, I get death threats. Honestly, if I look at the DMs on all my social medias that I don't. I get them every. Every single day.
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I know tons.
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Yeah. And so I do. I try my best not to get too complacent because when you get it every single day, you start to just go, yeah, all right. You know, when I first started social media, I kept that and be like, oh, my gosh, this is. This is insane. This is crazy. But again, you just get a little desensitized. So I'm trying my best to be like, you know, take that stuff a little seriously. I did hire a team to, like, wipe my information from the Internet, stuff like that. And that. That helps a lot because there's definitely people. There was so bad. There was, like, a massive amount of people spamming this address in my comment section from San Francisco. I didn't know what it meant because I live in la and I look it up and I see it's just like a house. And I'm like, why are they spamming this address in my comment section? Then all of a sudden, I find out there's a person name, which kind of blows my mind. Nick Matau, which I thought blows my mind because Mattel's not exactly a common last name. And then I look at this guy. It's not me. So I realized they were spamming because they thought like, oh, we know your address. We know your address. I was over here confused. I'm like, I live in Los Angeles.
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Yeah.
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And so then I was like. And it made me feel really bad, and I made an entire thing about this isn't me, not because, you know, people think that was a joke. Like, well, maybe it's good that they don't know where you're at. But I was like, yeah, but I don't want this guy to get hurt. And so just because he hasn't, he doesn't. He probably doesn't even know who I am. And, yeah, these people are insane.
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That's the worry is I think about this all the time because of the kids. I'm two teenagers, a wife, and I'm like, I just gotta get, you know, I just gotta get my kids into college. And then, like, I've had a great. Listen, I obviously don't wanna die. I've had a great life, though. I really have. I've gotten to do so many amazing things and meet so many amazing people and live in my truths. And that if I Just gotta get my youngest into college. And, like, I want to make sure that they're fully on their. On their feet and they're safe. But I take it so seriously now because the hatred is real. You have a young child. You're almost 20 years younger than me. You have your whole life ahead of you. And it worries me. It worries me for people like you so, so much. People like Cam, so, so much. And I think it works because you get to a point where you're like, this is not worth it. And I'll say one more thing before kind of arriving at my question about this is when you look at Charlie, this guy made the ultimate sacrifice. And what did they do instead? They destroyed his legacy. They attacked his family. And because it'd be one thing if you're like, okay, well, we've can't. We came together over this. He was murdered. This was awful. You know, people were like, oh, my God, this has gone too far. We've got to stop. And then there's like, this greater good. The sacrifice is worth something. Instead, it's like, he's gone. He can't defend himself. He can't defend his family. They're destroying his institution. They're destroying his loved ones.
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Well, that's why they did it. Because it's very easy to. But, well, when. I'm not even gonna say that Candace Owens. It's very easy for her to post all this stuff when Charlie doesn't have a say in any of it. He can't respond to any of it. There's so many things out of context. How many text messages that if you were just a screenshot from just me and post it out, you could probably make any narrative.
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Nick.
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B
Nick was leaving this and that. It's like, listen, Charlie had. And everyone when it comes to text messages, has a place to venture. Supposed to be a. I hate this term, but safe space. Right? Because that's the whole point. And then sometimes you end up texting something a little bit later that's like, yeah, I've calmed down a lot. I've done this. I'm not saying that's the case. I don't know. But my point is, is that Candace Owens, obviously there's people like her, but her, she is the tip of the spear in demonizing Erica Kirk. Erica Kirk went from, in just days, a widow to somebody that unless you were super evil, you thought of her as like, even if I don't agree with your husband, I'm like, that's awful that you lost your husband to all Of a sudden, now it's okay to make videos about her, make fun of her, put on wigs and joke about her. And I'm not gonna say Candice is responsible for all of those directly, but she is responsible for creating the environment that allowed for that to be a thing. And we all have free speech. There's a difference between you can and you should, and it is insane. And then there are people, absolute cowards. And I'm speaking for myself, and I know I'm on your show, I'm speaking for myself, but absolute cowards that felt the need to not call her out because she's a young mother talking about Megyn Kelly right now and others when you've been calling out young mothers your entire career, but whatever, you don't want to call her out. And then you call out Ben Shapiro for lying that she was talking about Erica, which wasn't lying. Yeah, he wasn't. And it was very clear he wasn't lying. But there wasn't direct evidence. Fine. But then when the direct evidence came, and Candace herself is like, yeah, I'm talking about Erica. Where was your. We're not even looking for an apology. You don't have to get down on your knees. Just kind of even. Just like, change your mind, you know, like, hey, you know what? Maybe I wasn't right about that. That's it, done and move on. Right. Or you could just not talk about it at all. But the problem is that she has this. This mentality where she says, well, I'm not going to bend to them and I'm not going to say what they want me to say. But you still are talking about it. If you were someone that didn't talk about it at all. Okay, fair enough. You don't want to bend. Whatever. I think you're being exaggerated and you're being a very emotional. But okay.
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A
You know what's weird? I'm a very loyal person. I don't know why. It's. I'm like the omerta. Like, if we're friends, we're ride or die. If you show me kindness, I will show you kindness. My experience with Candace Owens, Dave Smith, and Megyn Kelly has been nothing but amazing. I don't agree with them. Historically, they didn't demonize me for it. They gave me their time. They have much bigger platforms. They've defended me when I honestly needed it from a rabid left. And I could not disagree with them more these days. And yet. So it's like, I can't tell you the feeling. I'M like, well, they didn't demonize you for not agreeing. They had your back when you needed it. They were quite lovely to you. And by the way, the people that I do agree with won't show up. And I won't say names, but the people that I watch, that I identify with, their perspective, they actually won't show up. And I have. I have some theories on it. I think it's because they're just. They're more conservative, even though Crowder did and Andrew Wilson did. And we have, like, a really lovely conversation and agree to disagree on the things we disagree on. Um, but it's a very strange place to be. I don't know. It's very tough. Cause I. I've met them. They.
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B
They.
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A
They're. They're. I don't. I met Meg Candace Owens once, but the fact that she took the time, showed up pregnant, and, you know, I'm gay. We have this. This very lovely conversation. Very civilization. And yet what she's doing, I'm like, oh, my God, what are you doing? Stop, please, for the love of God, what are you doing? And it gets, like, more intense and more crazy, but for some reason, it's just. It's heartbreaking for me.
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B
Yeah. Look, I mean, my response and my direct feelings and call outs, because I. I believe you. I'm sure they were very sweet people, and I'm sure they are. I'm sure they are. But my. My thing is, is it's. It's always a response. Response to you. Just yesterday, on yesterday's live that I was doing on YouTube, somebody asked me, hey, you're not Jewish. Why are you so supportive of the, you know, Zionist cause and everything? And I told them, and it. It relates. It is a response to you guys. If you were not so adamantly, a lot of times, anti Semitic, anti Zionist, to the point that you focus on it more than anything else in the world, I am simply an equal and opposite reaction to what you have put out into the world. And so that's the same thing that I go with when it comes to cancer. And Maggie Kelly, if it was just one thing, right? And it was kind, but they're like, hey, I have questions. I don't understand. I was bronze. Would be exactly like that. But opposite in the sense of like, hey, I get you have response or, you know, comments and questions, and that's fair. Let's talk about it. But when you are somebody who is attacking and you start going after things that have even nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's Start to just expand into, like, her grandmother and, like, slot machines and stuff like that. When you start to just go to a point of absolute evil. Now, Megyn Kelly hasn't done that kind of stuff. That's. That was. That was subject to Candace. But with Megan, my issue, again, is if you have a belief and you want to, that's fine. But don't insult our intelligence as the viewer and try to pretend it's because she's a young mother, because we. I've been watching Megan Kelly for years.
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A
I know.
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B
I've seen you attack young mother.
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A
So Kelly.
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B
Yeah. So it's not. It's not that I wish anyhow harm on her. It's not that I hate her. Of course I don't. In fact, Meg Kelly is somebody I watched a lot. I definitely didn't always agree with, but as she started to turn, like, more conservative, she was actually very fun to watch and entertaining. Has nothing to do with hate. Right. When I say, like, stuff like you're being a coward, it's just because you are. And sometimes the kind and nice thing to do is to call it out. Now you're a lot nicer than I am. I'm a little bit more direct. I'm not saying maybe if I didn't.
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A
If I hadn't met them and they hadn't given me their time and they hadn't been kind and kind when they didn't agree with me, because that's something that I have to think about all the time. I don't agree with Dave Smith, but he showed up twice to my show knowing that I don't. You know, there are certain things he said to me that I was like, oh, that's interesting. Let me think about that. Let me process that information. But generally, he knows. We've even had exchanges where I'm like, listen, I lean more pro Israel. But you made some really good points. He's never attacked me.
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B
And you should absolutely take that into consideration because he speaks a lot about character.
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A
Never. And the thing with Dave, also, that I do have to say, while I don't agree with him and I worry that some of the things he says are begetting or are unintentionally indirectly perpetuating anti Semitism. He's not an anti Semite. That's not what I'm saying. He has felt this way for a really long time. He's not like a guy that jumped on the bandwagon for clicks. This is like, who Dave is. He's read all the books. He's A libertarian. He's. That's who he is. He's not a grifter. He's not. He's not like the 180 Tucker Carlson, you know, or the Right.
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B
It's not like, you know what I mean, his mind overnight or something. I didn't know Dave Smith was before, honestly, all of this stuff. So that's. That's totally.
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A
This is this really. I mean, he's like. He'll tell you his background and the books he read. He's not. He's not the Tucker Carlson who one day was warning about care and Christian genocide in Nigeria.
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B
Right, right.
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A
To like, Islam. I don't know what Islam is. It's like, well, yeah, I learned about this through you.
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B
Yeah. In 2017, to be fair, also to Dave, Dave is sometimes even called out his own side. Like, the. Charlie Kirk came out. Yeah, he did. He came out. Actually, that, that did gain a certain, you know, a little bit of respect because it's like, listen, I don't agree with a lot of stuff Dave says, but still, to come out and say, like, what are you guys doing? This whole, like, they probably Kirk. Because maybe there were some text messages recently where he was leaving the pros. Okay. Are you kidding me? This is insane. And so, you know. Yeah, I have to give that to them. Yeah, no, there's. There's no, there's no, like, hate for these people. It's just, in my opinion, sometimes the right and kind thing to do is to call this stuff out. Obviously, again, in different ways. You can do it from a. A kinder, kinder way than maybe I do. But listen, you're always classy.
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A
You go, you, you do. You call out the truth. You dismantle the ideas.
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B
Yeah, exactly. It's not about attacking the people. Although, just to be blunt, because I, I am a truthful person. I do think that the stuff that Candace is doing is actually evil. And I, I hope, I pray. Like, I, I really hope. It's just. I hope it's from a place of grifting. And it's like, this gets me a lot of clicks. Because the other option is that she actually is evil. And I don't want to believe that. Whereas people like, you know, I hope
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A
that she believed it. That's what I was hoping is that she actually believed it.
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B
Really. I. I kind of, really kind of hope it's the opposite. I don't know, like, because in my mind, if you believe, again, the first thing she was saying, you believed it. I thought I was a little cuckoo. But like, fine, you can believe it. It's when she started stemming into just direct attacks and she moved away from the. Charlie Kirk was just like, I just want to attack his wife now. That's when it got to, like, evil levels. And then she never called out when she got. When she got a lot wrong, when it was proven to be wrong, she just moved on as if she never said it. In fact, I think Piers Morgan called her out because she was the one that said, like, Charlie Kirk had a Catholic burial. She said burial, but whatever. Catholic burial. And. And where was he. Where was he buried and where is his tomb? And when Piers Morgan brought that up later, she's like, no, that wasn't me. I never said that. And it's like, you did. And then somewhat recently now she's saying that he was cremated and everyone's like, wait, wait a minute. A few months ago, you said he was buried in a Catholic church.
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A
He does that. Yeah, he does the exact thing. I never said that. Like the one with the. I think it was the New York Times interview where he's like, I never said Trump was the Antichrist. And then it's like, he's the Antichrist. I never said that. And then there he is saying it and I'm going, this is not a dumb person.
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B
Yeah. I think they know what they're doing.
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A
Weirdom. Or what is happening. What is the psyop you're running? There's in. In my mind, I think. I'm sorry, but for Tucker Carlson to have made this monster size 180, you had to be, you know, in your fishing cabin in Maine, yet you're buying land in Qatar. Like, oh, I just love America.
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B
God, I think.
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A
Really, bro? I don't think so.
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B
Yeah, I think he got like a 48 billion dollar, like, startup from Omar Malik.
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A
It was 15 million to him personally. No, Amid Malik is in. I looked into this actually is an American.
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B
Okay.
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A
But the money is.
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B
Yeah, there's the Middle East. Yeah, there's that. I got the number wrong.
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A
He's an American Muslim. But the money is from the Middle East.
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B
Yeah. Okay.
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A
You may not have. I think that was to. That amount was to Tucker. I don't know how much went into.
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B
Yeah, there's something more into it. And it's. I think, like, people have asked me, like, do you think Tucker's just like, getting paid directly from Qatar? Because everyone, you know, Tucker Carlson is what they call him. Well, first off, I'm never going to know. But no, I don't. I don't think it's that simple really. I, but no, no, no, no. I think he is absolutely being paid and people are paying him have his ear. But I don't think it's literally as simple as the government's like, cha ching, here's your bank account. I think it's, it's manipulation down to certain people. And those people kind of have Tucker's ear because they give him money, they're friends of his. And so Tucker comes out and he goes like, I've never, I've never taken a, like a dime from Qatar like at all. Like, you know what I mean? Like he, he does that and in some ways I, I, I, I can say consider maybe he believes it because he's like, no, I just have my friend Malik here. But he doesn't know where that money comes from. So in a way he's like, I don't think people talking about any money.
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A
He knows. Maybe, I don't know, he knows.
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B
Maybe I'm being a little too optimistic.
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A
Oh my goodness, Nick, your voice is very special. Where can everybody find you, watch you, listen to you, tell everybody everything. Nick Mattel.
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B
Yeah, it's just Nick Mattel on any platform. I mean, maybe it's Nick underscore Mattel, but if you just type in Nick Mattel, you'll find me Instagram, X, YouTube.
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A
I'll put it in the show notes as well.
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B
Yeah, tick tock, all of that.
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A
Is there anything I should have asked you that I didn't?
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B
Oh, first I go live almost every night. I take breaks because I have to. I'll go crazy on YouTube and X and Tick tock. I usually go live like 8:00pm to 8:30pm Pacific time is when I start. I'm a, I'm a labor kind of person and people love it. But anyways, anything you should, I mean, I, I love the conversation. I think we flow naturally. So you, we could probably keep going for.
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A
I could. And the only reason we're not is because you have agreed to debate Ben Burgess, who is an honest actor and
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B
which I'm excited for.
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A
I know he doesn't want a nasty debate. He's like, I really just. And I'm like, no, no.
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B
Yeah. Because I didn't know he was. But people told me kind of, I said, she wants me to debate this guy. And people said, you know, actually he's not very radical. He's not a smart guy. And I'm excited because 95% of the debates I have, which I have live debates where people just come up, it is very. And I'll do it. I'll. I'll roll around in the mud a little bit. But I'm excited to have, like, a conversation.
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A
Yes. And I think he is, too. And that's the only way that I want to engage in this topic, is, like, how can we have an honest conversation about this? So we're about to do that. And when you guys watch this episode, all I can tell you is get excited because it's coming soon. Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like, comment, subscribe, and share, and make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.