A (2:45)

Here's. Here's my problem with stuff like that, obviously, outside of it being grossly racist. But if he'd come for. If he'd made some sort of nasty comment about gays, I would be outraged. You know, I. I'm also worried for two reasons. Number one, I wanted to talk to you about the absurdity of Chuck Schumer implying that the SAVE act, which requires voter id, can't remember exactly what it stands for, was an acronym for people needing voter ID ID to vote, is Jim Crow 2.0. And I wanted to be like, look at the ways they weaponize racism. Look at the ways that they. That they play this card every time. Common. And you can't. When you have the President of the United States posting racist shit, it undermines our ability to get things done. It's repulsive. And it is absolutely, in my opinion, going to give Gavin Newsom the White House. And I've, you know. Are you from California? I'm from here.

B (3:59)

I'm not born and raised, but I live here.

A (4:01)

Okay. He has destroyed California. I've grown up here. I have watched its systematic demise, its absolute devolve into chaos and corruption and crime and insanity. And him taking the White House, honestly, I can't think of a worse scenario. And I know that sounds crazy to people and all my friends who are liberal, they're like, yeah, but they're all corrupt. And he's our corrupt scumbag. And I'm like, no, he's actually not your corrupt scumbag. For example, in Florida, DeSantis signed a bill that prohibited China from buying up land in his state. Here in California, Newsom vetoed a bill that would have prevented China from buying land in California. This is a different kind of corruption. And I just don't think people see that. And I'm wondering, I don't know, babe, what do we do about this? Because for me, I'm not here to be conservative. I'm here to fight bad ideas.

B (5:16)

Yeah. There's so much to unpack there. It's like, first of all, with the Gavin Newsom thing, you know, what's really terrifying about Gavin Newsom is it's not just his bad policies. It's the fact that he doesn't stand for anything.

A (5:26)

No.

B (5:26)

Because if he were somebody that stands for bad policies consistently and someone that, like, I can at least expect what it is that he's going to support or be against. It's like, okay, bad apple. But I see it coming with him. He's completely unpredictable. He has no spine and he has no moral compass. It's like when you see him sit down with Charlie Kirk or with Ben Shapiro, it's like he switches his tune up all of a sudden. All of a sudden he's a little bit more moderate, but. But then he goes and he sits down with a leftist or a liberal, and then suddenly he's the most progressive person in the room. So the thing that's so scary about Gavin Newsom is the unknown. I don't know what's going to happen. All I know is he's going to cater to whatever audience he's speaking to or whatever donor class is boosting him up. So that being said, he's already compromised. And if he takes over the White House, I am terrified to see who he's going to accept a check from behind the scenes and what he's going to allow to happen to our country.

A (6:16)

That's exactly how I feel about it. And I just worry. You know, I thought we were absolutely done having this conversation for a little while about the alt right. Like, you know, you've had some quieting down of the crazy. You've had some backing off of the people that were beating their chest about censorship. I won't be censored. I'm like, well, it's not censorship to say you're against raping women and, you know, you're against racism and you're against anti Semitism. That's not. But sure, you want to position it that way because you don't want to alienate an audience. Be my guest. But let's call it what it is.

B (6:49)

Yeah.

A (6:50)

The clicks are your compass. And, you know, for you and your bank account, like, I guess, bravo. But if we're talking about what's best for the country, when you undermine.

B (7:02)

You.

A (7:02)

Know, the common sense side of the. Of the party, that you're really going to need to be intact come the midterms in 2028. Bad idea.

B (7:11)

It's so frustrating. And it's like, the more I sit and I think about that video being posted with the Obamas being portrayed as monkeys, I'm more disappointed than I am mad. I'm disappointed and I'm frustrated because like you said, it is going to give them the extra fuel on the left to weaponize against us. And as a black conservative, I've spent an absorbing amount of time being like, hey, black people, come over here, we're not racist. We're not accepting. Or. Or we're not. Or we are accepting over here. And now it's like, it looks like I've been gaslighting them this entire time. When they see something like that, it's like, do I think President Trump is racist? I still don't. Do I think that he can be, you know, doing too much sometimes? Absolutely. And it's. And going to the Chuck Schumer thing, it's like black people are sick of being the scapegoat for bad policies. It's like you have this policy where you are trying to make it to where any person can just show up and vote with. Without an id, and then you belittle black people by making it seem like we're too unintelligent to get an id. And if you're too unintelligent to get an id, then you're too unintelligent to know who you're voting for and why you're even at the polls. So I really think that you should just sit that one out if that's the struggle that you're dealing with. And again, the Democrats know that. The Democrats don't think that black people are that dumb. It's just, again, the scapegoat so that they can make it easier for illegal immigrants to vote.

A (8:29)

I notice that, you know, minority communities are used as pawns. Same with gays, Same with the black community. Same with the Latino community. But it's very difficult to call that out again when you. You have racist chats with these young Republicans. And then the guy that's supposed to become the president is like, I don't want to clutch pearls. I'm like, I think you should. Probably should, homie. Clutch some pearls. Now's the time, you know? And when I was interviewing winsome Earl Sears, who was running for governor of Virginia, lost, which is. How does that happen, by the way? This. This is a liberal's dream. A frigging Jamaican immigrant, woman of color, two master's degrees, small business owner, Marine lieutenant governor, and they voted for the white liberal who worked for the CIA that just proposed raising their income taxes higher than California's and wants to lower the criminal sentence for crimes like just. Nick Freitas just educated me on that. And she was like, yeah, no problem. They should absolutely be condemned and they should get out of the party. They're not welcome. Why is that so hard? You know? Do you feel. I feel like you and I. And I know this is. I don't mean to do this, and I don't mean to pull you into this, but to a certain extent, I feel like there's a line that needs to be held. And when it comes to racism, people like you and I. I mean, people of color, I can't hold it otherwise. I'm like a white savior. I can't do that. I can say it's gross and. And disappointing, but then I become that, like, white liberal trying to defend my black friends. Like, I can't do that.

B (10:16)

You know, it's really annoying that people are so terrified of nuance. It's like, I can be somebody that's, like, all for freedom of speech, but people do too much. I still remember the day Elon Musk bought Twitter and I made a tweet, and I was like, you guys are gonna show why we can't have nice things when it comes to freedom of speech. Because within hours, the hard R N word was trending. So I do think you have to just dare to be someone with nuance and be like, look, I'm. And you can acknowledge it on the front end because, you know, people don't like to listen to, you know, the full 60 seconds of what you're saying. They only want to hear the first 15. But you can acknowledge, like, hey, I'm not trying to be woke. Not to be that woke, friend, but this is doing too much.

A (10:53)

Yeah.

B (10:53)

Because, like, even with the Young Republicans chat that you were talking about, my reaction to that in real time was actually crazy because I was recording myself as I'm reading through it. And at first I was like, you know, I'm the oldest month of Gen Z, so. So I'm sitting here looking at this like I was in Modern Warfare 2 group chats. I was like, this has nothing compared to what I grew up seeing. I was like, people are too sensitive. But as I'm going through it more and more, I'm like, okay, this is getting really dark. I'm like, this is actually, like, yeah, sick.

A (11:18)

It's sick.

B (11:19)

Repulsive. And I'm really glad that immediately accountability was taken and these people were kicked out of their positions. But that being said, we do need to do a better job of vetting these people out. If you're somebody that's on the more radical side of things and you're out here, like, talking about people getting and talking about all these racist things on a regular basis, it's like, okay, this isn't dark toilet humor anymore.

A (11:39)

No.

B (11:39)

Like, you just have something wrong in your brain, and you're not who represents the Republican Party that I'm a part of.

A (11:45)

Thank you. Same. I want to talk a little bit about evil for a second. You know, this is the week of the data dump on the Epstein files. Okay. I understand that we don't really know what's there. You know, I've heard everything. Oh, Russia's mentioned 10,000 times, but he never. We can't nail down a meeting with Putin, but then, like, Peter Thiel's in there and Reid Hoffman's in there, but so is kind of Elon Musk. But Trump knew the guy, but not really. And the Clintons are supposed to, like, honestly, everyone. Everyone's in there. And I'm not suggesting. Listen, obviously the vast majority of these people are not pedophiles. However, this is a man that was convicted of procuring a child, and every one of those people knew it. And everybody knew who Harvey Weinstein was. And I could show you clip after clip after clip of Michelle Obama singing Weinstein's praises, Oprah singing his praises. Like everybody at Meryl Streep hanging on to Weinstein. Everybody knew Weinstein was a scumbag. That's one I actually knew. I didn't know who Epstein was until, of course, Epstein hit the. Hit the, you know, the public forward facing stage in 2019 or something. I knew who Weinstein was. I knew he was a scumbag. I didn't really know who Diddy was, which is crazy because I'm actually on a poster with him. Oh, I know. I don't know if you, if you've ever heard this or clearly not. So. So my business partner came to me many years ago and said, mark Wahlberg wants you to invest in his water company. And it was also Sean Combs water company. And I met with Mark Wahlberg. Couldn't have been nicer. And he's like, we want to make you the chief wellness officer and why don't you invest and be a partner? And so the running joke is like, I'm on a freaking poster with Sean Combs because my business partner thought it would be good for the brand. I'm like, how good is that for the brand now?

B (13:56)

But once upon a time, I, you.

A (13:58)

Know, I didn't actually know who he was. I was never, never a part of the parties. And there was one invite that I did get from this woman, Erica, who ran his company, and it was for players week, I guess he was having a bunch of athletes over to the house, and the offer was like, I could come and train them if I wanted. And I was so offended at the time. I was like, tell him we'll do a little quid pro quo if he wants to come to my kids school for their spring sing and give a few lessons. I swear to God, I have the email still. I was so fricking pissed. I was like, how dare this guy? Who the f do you think you are? Want to come and be the help f off? And then I started to hear rumors through the grapevine because I had a friend who works for intelligence and he was stationed in Cuba, and I went to visit him in Cuba, and he'd said that, like, Diddy had come through, done all kinds of crazy stuff, racked up an insane bill and took off, didn't pay anybody. And I never, never wanted to know him personally. And as he got crazier and crazier, I was like, what do we need to do to get me off of this poster with this guy? This is before all this sex stuff. This is when he started spewing, like, his anti Semitic stuff.

B (15:12)

He had an anti Semitic era, too.

A (15:13)

He did. And I remember it because that's when I first wanted off the poster. And I can't remember exactly what he said. I'd have to find the frickin. But he started spewing something that was anti Semitic. And I. I was like, this is not good. I do not want to be a part of this. This is ages ago, before all this crazy, creepy Diddy party grossness came around. How do we hold people accountable? Like Naomi Campbell, Mick Jagger.

B (15:45)

That's one that breaks my heart.

A (15:47)

Me too.

B (15:47)

I'm such a Naomi Campbell apologist. Me too. And it's like, I just know. I just know she's a part of something. Can't say, can't tell you what.

A (15:56)

Me either.

B (15:57)

And that's the thing that sucks about these files. It's like we have 3 million pages, and I'm constantly sitting there like, what are we supposed to do with this information?

A (16:03)

Right?

B (16:04)

How much of this is hearsay? How much of this are like, there's so many misunderstandings. Trying to remember who it was. Tony Hawk. I just saw he was mentioned in there somehow or got thrown into it. And then it come. Come to find out Tony had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. The confusion came from some photographer he worked with named Mark Epstein. So it's like you have so many innocent people being dragged into this. And then because the files were so rushed, you now also have all these victims that are getting exposed that their names should have been redacted. But they weren't. And the people that are called out. And again, it's like, we don't know what they know. With the Diddy parties of it all. It's like, had I been in the Hollywood scene 10 years ago, I probably would have been at a Diddy party. I wouldn't have known any better. It's like, how do you know? It's like, there's a huge difference between you happen to know this guy and then you're actually a part of it. But then like you said earlier, it's like with Epstein, once he got convicted in, like, 2008. Unless you just barely got connected with the man. How did you not know the lore that came with him?

A (17:02)

Right. In fact, Jamie Dimon is on record. I believe it's Jamie Diamond. They're like, in his financial endeavors, saying, like, this is not. It's either Jamie Dimon or somebody who was going to take his money at one of these big bangs. I'll have to fact check it before we put this out. Saying, like, this is not a good quality human being. They knew. And I just think, what. How much. How much money do you need? How much power? Even if you're not some creepy pedophile, you're still like a moth to this repulsive flame that scares me. As a reflection on culture, I do have a section of stuff that's bullshit that I wanted to go through with you because no one's really debunking stuff from adrenochrome, which isn't real. Have you seen this?

B (17:53)

I don't think that's real, but I can understand why there is a lot of discussion when it comes to some of these rituals, because I fully believe that some of these rituals are real. I think.

A (18:03)

Tell me why.

B (18:03)

If there's a meme about it, then odds are it's not real. Because if I go to Israel a lot, and part of why I feel so spiritually connected to Israel is because I've been learning how deep some of this. Some of these evil entities go. Just like, by learning biblical stories and learning how, like, the Torah and the Bible, they really are a history book letting you know what's been going on. And it's like, I don't want to sound too much on, like, the conspiracy theory.

A (18:28)

No, please do dig in here.

B (18:29)

But it's like we're dealing with people that are worshiping biblical demons. Like, the parallels of some of these fables that you hear about that are ancient and how accurate they are to what we're seeing in today's age. I can't help but believe that a lot of this is actually happening. I do believe that some of these people are so evil and so corrupt and that essentially they have to do the most heinous things possible in order to prove their loyalty. It's just like a gang. If you're going to join a gang in Southside Chicago, you either need to kill somebody or beat up somebody or rob somebody in order to join these mega elite corrupt circles that somehow always end up with billions of dollars in their account and nobody knows how. It's like they're doing some really awful things in order to get the power that they have. I. I see it.

A (19:17)

Do you not see it just as, hey, there's money in war. So I'm a warlord.

B (19:22)

It's part of it.

A (19:22)

Like, to me, it's. It's right in front of you. So, for example, with adrenochrome, this is the. You know, you can make this in a lab and they sell it online for 55 bucks. I have a frigging image. We'll insert like, you buy it right now. It's like a high school chemist could simulate this for you in seconds. And it has no beneficial health properties. It's when adrenaline oxidizes. It's basically cellular exhaust.

B (19:48)

Yeah.

A (19:49)

So, like, you. You don't need. There's no benefit to. To drinking this. There's. In fact, it would be counterintuitive because it's. It's oxidized. Not actually good for you. And we are doing all kinds of stuff with young people's blood. They're making albumin. They're taking a step. Oh, my gosh. Cord blood stem cells. No, those are being donated, you know, by. By moms and what have you, I guess. But they are doing that shit right in front of your face. And that has benefit. There are young donors who are giving plasma, and you can buy it. You can go to Texas right now and get it. Like an. A donation of Al Albumin, I think it's called. Haven't done it. But guys like Ben Greenfield do it all the time. And it's like a live young human like yourself who's like, okay, old person, I'll donate some blood. And I'm like, oh, I got exam. There's, like, appropriate donors. My point is simply we don't need to fabricate all of this. There's enough evil shit kind of right in front of our face. And I worry that it's a distraction. But you think this whole, like, Satan stuff is real?

B (20:58)

100%. So to clarify, too, I'm saying, like, why going to the Middle east has taught me a lot. It's like you go and you learn about, like, the pagan roots of a lot of the things that are going on today. And then also if you start studying some of these rituals that happen in the Islamic Brotherhood, for example, you start learning about things like bachabazi, where they get bachi. It's very real, very well documented. Not a single dispute out there. It's this thing where a bunch of wealthy Islamic men are part of the brotherhood will get young, teen, or prebuilicent. You know what I'm trying to say?

A (21:28)

Prepubescent. Just gonna skip one word.

B (21:31)

Wait, I hate that word.

A (21:33)

I got it.

B (21:34)

But it's this group of Islamic brotherhood elites. They will get a bunch of young boys together, make them dance and twerk and all of that, and then they will pretty much bid or just take one with them, and then they go and they have sex with them. They them. So that's a very real, well documented thing. And these are rituals that have been going on for a very long time. You start learning about, like, when you start going very deep on the theology of things and how so many aspects of the church have been corrupted, and you start even learning about things like Christmas Day, for example. Christmas Day isn't December 25th. Christmas Day got moved to December 25th, you know, way back in the day. And that used to be a pagan holiday where all the men would have sex in the town square and then go home and beat their wives. But what people aren't ready for me to get start cooking and start talking about those aspects of history. But these are real things that have actually been documented for a long time that we have just glossed over and overlooked as a society society for a very long time. The pagan influence, even in the Christian and Catholic church is very heavy. And when it comes to these circles of elites that are doing very evil things, a lot of it does attribute to paganism. Not to be confused with Satanism. Satanism is pretty much you just worship human nature. Paganism is you are actually worshiping these demonic entities.

A (22:43)

Oh, wow, I thought that was Satanism. Like you worship Satan.

B (22:46)

Satanism does not worship Satan. Satanism is pretty much like, if it benefits, you absolutely, go for it. Do it. If it hurts the person or helps the person next to you is irrelevant.

A (22:55)

But see, I look at that, I'm like, narcissist, you would say Satanist self worship. That's interesting.

B (23:01)

Narcissism is rooted in Satanism in a lot of aspects.

A (23:04)

See that you'll say botchabotsy. I'll just say pedophile. Like to me, I've known for a long time that children are trafficked. We know this. And they're trafficked for their organs. They're trafficked into the slave trade.

B (23:17)

Multi billion dollar industry.

A (23:18)

Right. But I guess I feel like I worry sometimes. So, for example, you know, it's interesting someone was saying, oh, Tim Walls, I got a public thank you from. I actually wrote this down so I don't get this wrong. So bear with me here. Okay. On. After all this has come out. Right on in the TikTok sphere. Tim Walls is a Satanist. I'm like, okay, I mean he's incompetent, but I don't think he's a Satanist. So there was a satanic display at the Capitol in Minneapolis in late 2023. In early 2024, a group known as the Minnesota Satanists placed a display in the Minnesota state capital. Rot that the display was permitted under the same first amendment rules that allow other religious and non religious groups to set up holiday displays. Now the note said thank you. It was a thank you note to Tim Walls. That wasn't actually an award, but Governor Walls clarified that he disagreed with it, but he didn't have a choice because of the First Amendment. Now that's, here's the thing. I, I, I feel like people go down these rabbit holes and when they do, there's real evil out there and they get distracted and not able to focus on fixing what's really broken in the ways that it really needs to be addressed. Yeah, like he's not a Satanist, he's an idiot.

B (24:39)

Yeah, that's a stretch.

A (24:40)

You know, I mean, then here's another one. Okay, ready? Have you seen these photos? Okay.

B (24:46)

A mess.

A (24:47)

No, I know these paintings. So the one on the right, obviously Clinton. The one on the left, Bush. So Clinton is wearing Monica Lewinsky's dress. These are in Epstein's house, forgive me, in New York. Okay. So in his penthouse. And George Bush has a paper airplane with two toppled Jenga towers, obviously meant to represent the Twin towers. The guy in the middle, the reason I have him there is that's the model literally for the painting you see on the right. The reason I included him in this is because these, these were done by a, by an Australian art student years before Epstein bought them. So her, her name's Ryan Cleed. Her name's Petrina Ryan Cleed. She painted both. It was a student Thesis piece shortly after arriving from Australia. She said it's not meant to be partisan. It's not meant to be taken literally. It's about how opposition parties and caricature presidents. So Epstein bought one, the Clinton one, for 1300 bucks at a school fundraiser. I don't know how much he paid for the George Bush one. The only reason I bring this up is because everyone's like, we commissioned these because he knew and George Bush is responsible for 9, 11. And it's like, guys, just dig. Just a frickin.

B (26:06)

Just like two minutes of research.

A (26:08)

It's just, it just. And, and that's the part. Part that I, I get a little bit concerned with the conspiracies. And the other issue with the conspiracies is that it ends up undermining the. That's of deep concern.

B (26:22)

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's like someone like Epstein having that in his house. Especially when you start going through his emails and kind of just learn his personality a bit. It tracks for me that he would just find something like that funny, especially because he's friends with them. So it's like people taking that and making all these extra conclusions about it. It's what makes everybody look very unserious. It's what makes everybody look like a joke. And again, it's like, that's why I keep just looking at these files and thinking, what am I supposed to do with any of this? Because there's not a lot of credibility in there. It's like millions of pages of speculation with truth woven in between here and there. So it's so frustrating to see that and not be able to come to any kind of justice.

A (27:05)

We don't even know one will pay for this.

B (27:07)

And if we arrest them, no one, what do we arrest them for? What do we charge them with? Being a weirdo, weirdo and a creep. That's one thing. We can prove that with a lot of this. But can we prove that enough of them are pedophiles? Can we prove that enough of them are trafficking people?

A (27:23)

No. No.

B (27:24)

How do we even. Like. And people hate when I say this, but how do we even create a degree of separation of the women who were there as sugar babies just being blunt about it, and the women that are actually trafficked and drugged and seduced into that situation and had no say in it? And I'm not saying the women who are sugar babies are, you know, not victims in their own right, but how do we know? Nothing is honest, nothing is transparent. And as we get more Information. It's not creating more transparency. It's creating more speculation and noise around the issue and not any clarity.

A (27:55)

No one's going to pay for this. And I think that, you know what's distressing? He's not so much like, oh, let's go. You know, everyone's again going down a rabbit hole. I want blood, you know, I want. I want this person to pay, and I want that person to pay, and I want this person to pay. And it's like, but isn't the bigger picture that this guy's intelligence, you know, the 10,000 mentions of Russia or something, like the desperate desire to get in touch with Putin, the fact that he could have been Mossad, he could have been CIA, he could have worked for British intelligence, could have been all the above. Like. And are these intelligence agencies trafficking people to pull levers of power? Like, this is really kind of like, hey, focus, focus, focus.

B (28:39)

Like, lock in. Come on, guys.

A (28:41)

Like, the adrenochrome thing is getting like a kid come over here, you know? And it's like they're dribbling out these names and people are bloodthirsty and there's jealousy involved. And, like, there's a guy. I'm not excusing it. It was the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. There's a guy that I have interviewed a few times. He's very famous in my world, named Peter Attia. Dr. Peter Tia. Big longevity doctor, Wrote a great book. This is what he does. He works in the health space and very well respected. He's in the Epstein files. Mentions like, I don't know, there's like 1700 emails. And I mean, he's. He looks like an absolute asshole. He's like, oh, you know, see, is low carb dumb like that, like, really gross. Or like, I want to keep you alive longer so you can have more sex. Like, really stupid.

B (29:30)

Just like locker room talk kind of.

A (29:32)

I mean, I hate to say it, but, like, doesn't strike me as a pedophile. Never actually went to the island, despite. He's like, I gotta be able to go there one day. But you could tell he's like just a loser kind of.

C (29:43)

I.

A (29:44)

And he ended up becoming very. Listen, he's very successful now.

B (29:47)

A rich loser kind.

A (29:48)

Well, he wasn't though. He wasn't even rich. So you could see that it was like this kind of like drawn to one of the most powerful people in the world. But I'm like, listen, you guys are all going down the rabbit hole on piratea you could be grossed out, you could be pissed. But guy's not a pedophile. Yeah, he's not, he's, he's gross behavior, like, kind of reminded me of like Billy Bush when you went down for the Trump thing of like, you know, but there's real shit and people don't focus on that. And I'm wondering, I guess you're kind of, you kind of feel like I do, like, what do we do with this? And I don't really feel like a dog pile. Not interested in like, he did that and she did this and you see so and so's name. Like, I think that's petty.

B (30:33)

Yeah, I feel like that's just gonna go nowhere.

A (30:35)

Me too.

B (30:36)

And you know what's confusing to me as well is trying to figure out who Jeffrey Epstein is as a person, because he doesn't strike me as particularly intelligent. Like, when you listen to his interviews, like, he, he doesn't seem like this James Bond super spy style guy to have these powerful connections all over the world. And then when you read his emails and like the way he was referring to President Trump as Donny T. And like making the jokes about Bill Clinton, it's like, this seems like an overgrown teenager and a clout chaser to me. He seems like somebody who name drops people to be. To make it seem like he's in closer proximity to certain powerful people than he actually was. And then how adamant he was to hang out with certain people or to be friends or associates or business partners with certain people. He just seemed very desperate a lot of the times. So it's like, I don't understand what's going on there.

A (31:28)

Something terrible though. And here's the thing, I don't think you're gonna find it with Mick Jagger. And what I mean by that is, have you seen the kind of pandemic simulation stuff with Bill Gates in there? This is a thing, this is a very real thing. I, I know it simply because I've covered the COVID stuff in depth.

B (31:47)

Are we talking like the stuff that Hillary Clinton was at before the pandemic?

A (31:51)

Now this is Bill Gates stuff where they had this event with this woman. I think it's April Haynes. It was like a Milken Institute event where they were talking about, you know, what do we do if there's a pandemic? Senator Ron Johnson actually ended up telling me all about this and, you know, how do we silence the disinformation? And Bill Gates had been very focused on a pandemic for a long time. Bill Gates poured a ton of money into that vaccine tech. Bill Gates is the one who funded the study that came out of Stanford called the Virality Project, which is what identified vaccine hesitancy and quote, Covid misinformation online. That's what ended up on Biden's desk. I know this from interviewing this woman, Brianne Dresden, who was injured in the, I think it was the Johnson and Johnson Covid Vax trial. And they systematically shut down people who are vaccine injured. She's in the Virality Project. She's in the report. She's actually suing the Biden administration for a dollar. But it's about principle. Bill Gates is in there talking about this stuff with Epstein. And then there is a little something weird, actually. I want to show you this one. Tell me something. Did you ever think you would see the day where Hillary Clinton would have something decent to say about Trump?

B (33:23)

No.

A (33:23)

No. Or vice versa?

B (33:26)

Maybe.

A (33:27)

Maybe.

B (33:27)

Maybe.

C (33:28)

Really?

B (33:29)

President Trump is nice. He's a nice guy.

A (33:31)

Oh my God, he's. He's freaking vengeful though, as hell.

B (33:34)

Oh, he's vengeful, but I could see him saying something nice but shady about Hillary.

A (33:38)

Interesting.

B (33:39)

Yeah.

A (33:40)

Okay, I want to show you this one. I want you to tell me what you make of this. A significant first step. And I really commend President Trump and his administration as he really, really wants.

B (33:53)

This peace prize, y'. All. And now he's made a step in the right direction.

A (33:59)

Uh huh. So, so hold on. So you've got two people who hate this guy's guts, right? Hillary Clinton has never given Trump credit.

B (34:08)

For anything, anything at all.

A (34:10)

I even remember the Ukraine situation. And she's like, oh yeah. Even if he, even if he managed to get peace in that region, that only, that only looks like success if Ukraine doesn't lose any territory. It's like, you know, that's impossible, right? They're losing. They've been losing for years. You know that's not gonna happen. So she's already set him up to be a Putin puppet if it resolves, because there's no way to achieve that. All of a sudden you're going.

B (34:37)

And to clarify, that was about the files.

A (34:39)

That's about Gaza.

B (34:41)

Oh, that's about Gaza.

A (34:42)

So now hold on. So her and Bill did not want to testify in front of Congress, right? So they're like, we're going to hold you in contempt of Congress. And I was kind of watching that closely because Steve Bannon went to jail for that. And I'm not here to defend Steve Bannon. I'm just saying he went to jail for refusing to testify. So I thought, like, is that going to apply here? Are they going to go to jail if they don't testify about Epstein? All of a sudden, she. They agree to testify, and you're singing this guy's praises, and he turns around and says this. Today we heard that the Clinton set deposition dates to testify before the House Oversight Committee. Any reaction to this?

B (35:20)

That.

A (35:20)

And really just be asking questions.

B (35:21)

I think it's a shame, to be honest. I always liked him. Her. Yeah, She's a very capable woman. She was better in debating than some of the other people. I will tell you that. She was smarter.

A (35:34)

Smart woman. I hate to say it in many ways. What the is going on? What's going on? What is going on? I need you clear, direct. Come on.

B (35:46)

That just stressed me out so bad.

A (35:48)

What is happening?

B (35:49)

Okay. When I said I could see President Trump saying something nice about Hillary Clinton acting poetic.

A (35:54)

Excuse me, let me have a sip of my coffee. When you talk.

B (35:56)

If anything, I thought he was going to be like, oh, she had a nice pantsuit on today. I did not think he was going to, you know, hype her up a little bit like that.

A (36:05)

Okay. Okay. So here's what I think.

B (36:09)

This is out of my tax bracket.

A (36:10)

Okay. Yeah. Now I need to open it because all my sound ups are on this freaking list. Honestly. Here's what I think. I think. I don't think anybody's hands are clean here. And I think it's a mutually assured destruction, and I think it's a walk back. Yeah, I really do. I'm not saying Trump was on the island, and I certainly don't think he's a rapist or a pedophile or I. I would not have voted for him. Now we. We know. Listen, the guy is a lech. I'm gonna be honest. He did say, like, oh, you just grabbed him by the p. And he did say to how Howard Stern, like, I just walk into their dressing rooms while they're changing, and I think that was like a teen pageant. I'm being honest. I. I remember being like, oh, God. You know, oh. Now, having. Having said that, I'm watching what this man is doing in the Middle east, and I am in awe. How do we wreck? I am in awe. I. I just previously wrapped up a podcast that'll be airing after hours with this woman, Brigitte Gabrielle, and she's just breaking down for me, like, the Abraham Accords and Iran and Gaza and, like, and he may accomplish something that no one before him could accomplish that. Everyone has thought was impossible. Bringing peace to the Middle east, the Abraham Accords is already incredible. I mean, snatching up Maduro, the tariffs didn't crash the economy. Listen, I'm with you. All that stuff is awesome, but there's no question the guy, he was friends with Epstein. You know, I think Hillary took a lot of money from Epstein to run this is what I'm thinking. Like, Epstein was involved in the Clinton Global Initiative. It's very clear. It's in the emails. He's like, I'll see you at cgi. I went to cgi. I was a member of cgi, I think, for about a year. And the reason I was a member. This is filthy. Is because I was trying to leave something behind in Haiti. That my daughter. My daughter's Haitian. That when she got older, she'd feel like we did something for her country. And so in Rwanda, they had this. This program where people there could search a database and they could find dental care, medical care, job training, all different. All the NGOs in the country had to register. They had to pay to be there. You could find it like, hey, I need dentistry in Jacmel. And by the way, the NGOs could see, like, oh, there's no dentists in Jacmel, but there's four. Four in Port au Prince. So let me go offer my services in Jacmel. And it would track the NGOs, it would make them pay to be in the country. You'd know where they were, you know what they were doing. The people could find the help if they needed it, and it would all go through something called ibesr, which was their social services. I funded the entire thing. I built a full prototype off of Rwanda. And all I needed was to get to the president of the country, this guy, President Martelli, who Clinton had, like, been arm in arm with. Clintons have, unfortunately, a very shady past with Haiti, which I came to find out later because all the money. This is what I'm talking about. All the money from the 20. It was the 2010 earthquake. All of that money vanished. So all the money that was supposed to go through her went to this Digicel billionaire, this guy Dennis Something team. If you can look up his last name for me, Dennis o', Brien, I think it is. Went to this Digicel Irish billionaire who was supposed to rebuild Haiti. Billions lost. Haiti continued to be in shambles. It all flowed through her. All of this went down at cgi. Nobody helped me. So now I'm A member of the Haiti Action Network, right? And there's Maria Bello and Sean Penn and this guy Dennis, whatever the hell his name was. And I'm like, all I need to do is get a meeting with President Martelli. Like, I'll fund the entire thing. It'll all be paid for. It'll track nos. No, they're like, let us, let us see this little, this thing that you've built, this whole system, this website. And I did it with the agency that I worked with to adopt my daughter. Like it was. They killed that thing. They killed that thing so fast. Wow. And I remember sitting back thinking, why in the world would you do that? And now I realize that it's about being lords of poverty. Now I understand that you want to keep these countries poor, that you want to make sure they're never self sufficient because of how much money you make on things like usaid. Oh, we're just gonna sell them our GMO crops and our chemicals and it's all a tax subsidy game. It's all corruption. And that's when I first saw CGI and I was like, hold on a second, you guys are not doing good things here. This is not a good organization. And I didn't, I didn't like rejoin. I never went back only to look at these emails and see CGI and the Clintons and this. And Bill's been on the island 23 times. Who is the person? Do you remember 2015? It was Trump. It might have been 2016. I think it was 2015, it was Trump on stage with Hannity who first brought the Epstein files to the table. As far as I remember saying, like, ah, Bill's going to have a real problem. Something about a secret island is going to come out. He's the one that said, like, they should be answering for this. Now they have to answer for it. And you're saying it's a shame. What I mean, just what do you think? Like, I'm not, like, I'm not telling you they're eating flesh. I'm telling you they're corrupt as shit. Yeah, it's right there.

B (42:02)

You know, I feel like there's an element of protection that's going. Not necessarily just to protect. It's. This is my theory. I can be totally wrong in this same. I feel like an aspect of this is it's not to protect people like the Clintons where there's not a single accusation out there that you could say about them that I want to believe at this point. But, well, besides some of the Craziest conspiracies, but I had imagined that they're adjacent to them. But it's not about protecting people like the Clintons. It's more about the ripple effect of what's going to happen if some of these major players fall. Because we know how involved the royal kingdom is. And they're not just the royalty of the uk that's the entire commonwealth that we're going to be beefing with. Think about the people in the Islamic brotherhood that are very prominent and very powerful and very wealthy and very trigger happy be falling. Think about the powerful people in Russia, outside of just Putin, that are going to be very angry. Do you think about all the people that could potentially fall with this? What does that mean for our society that could lead to just pure anarchy if too much gets exposed too quickly. I don't know if the general public is ready for that. And some people are like, don't care. Burn it all to the ground. That's easier said than done. And you can say that. And sure, I can understand why you feel that way, because we're all angry, we're all pissed. But we can't be reckless with this. And if too much comes to light that the public's not ready for, there's a reason why certain things are classified in secrets, because the public isn't ready for it.

A (43:27)

You know, I just was interviewing Luis Elizondo, who totally severed an unrelated subject matter on UAPs. But I was just. I'm like, dude, you know, we're kind of at the point where this reminds me of the girl that you go out with forever and just never ends up sleeping with you. Like, at what point? You know, like, I just don't even hate the teasing of it just, it's like, are you. Is it real? You give me a grainy photo, like, deliver me an alien or shut the f. Like, and what he kind of. He said sort of something almost identical, which is why I bring it up. And he. He's like, this is Jillian. People need to pay their mortgage. You know, they need to take their kids to school, show up for work. You know, if. If we just dumped this on everybody all at once without a dribble and a drip and a drab and it kind of like acclimating the frog to the hot water in the pot. Do you go and pull all your money out of the bank tomorrow if aliens land? Probably. I mean, look at the toilet paper problem we had with COVID right? Like, it's gonna be way worse than toilet paper. So they could Probably I'd be like, oh, liquidate everything. Cash is king. Where are the gold bars? I mean, probably so. You make a really good point. I. I just think heads need to roll a few enough so that the next person who's at that Diddy party or at that Weinstein party or at that Epstein party is like, this is filthy dirty, and I better keep as far away from this as possible. There are consequences to this behavior, and yet.

B (45:04)

But you think they would go down without taking more with them. That's probably why they had to take Epstein out. Oh, wait, I forgot. He just happened. Happened to die in the split second that the cameras don't work. It's like, I just hate unintelligent lies. Like, if you're going to lie to me, lie to me good. Lie to me. Like, have me really scratching my head about it. Don't just, like, play in my face.

A (45:23)

Right.

B (45:24)

Building 7Ts.

A (45:28)

Oh, my God. Okay, let's look at some of these people for a second. You know, the Grammys just happened. Super bowl is happening today, actually, so God knows what's gonna come out of that. I hope nothing. I just wanna, like, please, God, just perform. Please, for the love of God, just. Just sing.

B (45:50)

Just sing.

A (45:50)

Right? Is it me?

B (45:52)

Cause I love the album.

A (45:53)

I do, too.

B (45:54)

It's so good. It is. It's like I can only understand it if I read it, because I can. I can't really understand the Spanish or I'm hearing it, but it's a vibe. I'm hearing the beat. That's all I want to do. I just want to vibe and sip my drink. I don't want any political statement. Especially after Bad Bunny just went on this whole tirade about how he's never going to perform in America again. That did piss me off. Not gonna lie. How are you gonna say you're not gonna perform in America anymore and then come and perform on the biggest stage that we possibly could offer you? Yeah, that to me, was annoying. But please, just let it be football. I know I. You know, I walk back, actually. Something that I fought for for so long. I always said that. You know what? Actually, it's not that I walk it back. I want more athletes to be honest about how they feel, honest about their political views. I just don't want them to be forced to say things that they don't believe in anymore. But at this point, I just wish sports could be apolitical. Sports need to be apolitical because that's where people can actually come together and connect.

A (46:48)

I was gonna Say about music.

B (46:50)

Yeah. Music used to be that way. It's like, you can be a Democrat, I can be a Republican. But we both still love this team or we both still love this artist. That's how things used to be. But the reason that we had to start for like not forcing but like pushing for more of these pro, like pro football players and basketball players and everybody to speak up is because they were forced to pretend to be woke.

A (47:09)

I know. You know who never did that and had like one of the highest popularity scores of all time is Michael Jordan.

B (47:16)

Yeah.

A (47:17)

He just refused to participate in it. Like, I'm not going to do it now.

B (47:20)

If you refuse, it's assumed that you're Republican.

A (47:22)

Right. Which is like the ultimate crime.

B (47:25)

Yeah.

A (47:26)

Which brings me to something that I've been wanting to address all week. When I watched the Grammys, you know, I figured, listen, I 99 understand them. I don't agree, but I understand them. You've got Billie Eilish and it's like, nobody's illegal on stolen land. But she doesn't. Honestly, she's 25 years old.

B (47:48)

Yeah.

A (47:48)

Okay. She was raised by liberals, I think, in California. She doesn't know the history. She doesn't even understand, like the how America came about. She clearly doesn't know. She doesn't understand what happens to people who come here illegally. She doesn't understand what hap. How, you know, this is disenfranchising people who did here, come here legally. She doesn't understand. She doesn't understand. She doesn't know any of it all. You know, you had a 25 year old that feels guilty for being rich and white. I get it. I felt the same. I'll be honest. It's a thing, it's a vibe. In particular, being an American, you feel guilty about it. I've always felt guilty about that. I'm like, well, you know what? Like, I'd probably be dead in the vast majority of the world outside of the west being a gay woman. Right. Like, no way. Night. Night. They're gonna stone you to death in Saudi Arabia. Like, forget it. Right. So, you know, I, I've uniquely appreciated being here for that reason and I've been very vocal about this. I wanted to adopt a child from the developing world to give that child a chance because I don't believe she had one. I wanted to work with the United nations refugee agency to try to help people that had no way of helping themselves. I get it. She's deeply misinformed. I would simply ask that you educate yourself before utilizing the platform. That's my request. Utilize the platform, but do your homework first.

B (49:14)

Right?

A (49:15)

That said, of everybody on the Grammys, that pissed me off, I wanna ask you first. Did anything piss you off first before I go on my little tirade here and rope you in?

B (49:26)

Well, I, of course I agree with you. When it comes to Billie Eilish, it's like I'm trying to give her some grace. It's like, I understand. You really, genuinely think you're doing the right thing.

A (49:34)

100%.

B (49:34)

I was woke for years. I was a BLM activist. I was all progressive. I was all for it until I started doing my research and stopped researching with confirmation bias. And you know, if I could say one thing to Billie, it's Billie. There are so many young girls out there that would love to be at your concert, but they can't because they were murdered by the people you're protecting. Yep, that's what I would say to Billie Eilish. And give her some grace. Who knows, years down the road, maybe, just maybe, she might have a change of heart. Like a lot of, you know, celebrities have, you know.

A (50:03)

Hey, hey, hey, Billy. When you don't have borders, the cartels are able to traffic hundreds of thousands of kids.

B (50:09)

Yeah.

A (50:10)

Hey, girl. Hey, girl. When people are here and they're not documented, they are literally exploited in the workplace. They have nowhere to go to report these offenses. They're paid pennies on the dollar. They're shadow economies. They have no upward mobility. They didn't cross the Darien gap to be your maid, homie. Like it. Just the ignorance, but I don't. It's not malicious. It's ignorant. It's coming. It really is coming from an empathetic place. It's just misinformed. That's my ask.

B (50:42)

Yeah.

A (50:42)

On. But there was one that really pissed me off.

B (50:48)

That wench Chrissy Go.

A (50:52)

We gotta show it. It is. We gotta show it. Nicki Minaj is not here. She is not here. She is.

B (51:04)

She is still at the White House with Donald Trump discussing very, very important issues.

A (51:10)

Okay, you want to take this one first?

B (51:14)

First of all, I don't play about Nicki Minaj.

A (51:17)

Me either.

B (51:18)

I don't play about that woman. I am a pioneer of MAGA barbs. I don't play about the queen of rap, Nicki Minaj, Chrissy Tig. First of all, Trevor Noah can go to hell. Chrissy Teigen. I'm so sick of the fact that she's even still in the public eye.

A (51:33)

Me too.

B (51:34)

I'm not Someone that's like, oh, we need to cancel people. But she deserved to be canceled. Have we forgotten that she was on Twitter telling young girls to take their own lives?

A (51:44)

Yes.

B (51:44)

There's no way to excuse that.

A (51:47)

I have literally. Keep going.

B (51:48)

I have them so disgusted by her.

A (51:50)

Me too. And she go, go. I'm not going to interrupt you. Go. I just shut up.

B (51:56)

The amount of slaughtering that these people have tried to put on Nicki Minaj, not even just the Trump stuff, but her entire career, because she is constantly out here fighting corruption. She's been draining the swamp. Even when I was a woke liberal, I started respecting Trump because of Nicki Minaj back in 2018.

A (52:12)

Really?

B (52:13)

And I'll tell you why. Because I'm a barb. I have been a barb since 2004, when Nicki Minaj did the theme song for this wrestler named Victoria where she was like, I ain't the lady to mess with.

A (52:23)

Go, go, go.

B (52:24)

Like, I have been a fan of Nicki Minaj since I was seven years old. Okay? And what I remember so vividly is until 2018, when she had pissed off, you know, she exposed the corruption at Billboard, the streaming services that weren't paying artists. She exposed the Grammys. She exposed all these different swamps that were happening inside of the Hollywood space. And because of that, there were all these corporate giants and machines that basically conspired against her.

A (52:50)

Yeah, they canceled her tour.

B (52:51)

Downplaying her legacy. Yep, I had, too. They were canceling her tour. They were suppressing her sales. They were suppressing her Billboard charts. They were doing all these awful, foul things to her. And yet everybody thought that Nicki Minaj was the villain, she was the bad guy. She was the awful person. And that's what the press was telling you, just like the press still tries to tell you. And then when I started digging and doing the research and I realized how much was this, how much of it was just a massive coup against her, I was like, huh? The media really lies to you when they don't like what you're saying and that you're draining the swamp. Then I looked at President Trump the same way. I was like, oh. I started doing more research. I started realizing a lot of the racist, awful, terrible things that they were claiming that he was doing. And these policies that he want to put us all in shackles again. I realized none of that is actually happening. This is what the media does when you dare to drain a swamp. So now we fast forward that Nicki Minaj, she dared to want to defend Christians and she dared to want to thank our president and be grateful for the work that our president is doing. It's like, how dare you be disgusted by her because of that? Because she's a black woman and she dares to think outside of the box that you're wanting to put her in. And what she's doing is actually the best thing possible for illegal immigrants. Because you have these people who. Because as you can tell, I will crash out about Nikki, you have these people who swear up and down that they're doing the right thing by helping illegal immigrants come here. They just want to get a job. They just want to work the illegal immigrants. They're doing the work that Americans don't want to do. What you're basically saying is that you want indentured servants. What you're saying is that you want these people to cross our border, to literally swim their way into our country so that they can be put in these fields and do the work that you don't wanna do because you're lazy and you're entitled and you have American privilege. And not only do you want them to do the hardest work that we need them to do, you want them to do it criminally underpaid with no regulations. You want them to be in these unsafe working conditions. You don't care about illegal immigrants, you just care about exploitation. Sounds like a Democrat policy if I've ever heard one. So when we go back to the Grammys and we talk about Chrissy Teigen, and we talk. The Chrissy Teigen who loves suicide for youth.

A (54:57)

I know.

B (54:58)

And we talk about Trevor Noah, who isn't honest about a single aspect of his life. If we're gonna clock it.

A (55:04)

I know. I think he has a 27 million dollar house married to a white woman. And then they. I interrupted you. And this is the most brilliant, brilliant monologue.

B (55:16)

I just know their sheets are the color lavender.

A (55:18)

What does that mean? The color lavender? Teacher, I'm obviously too old for this one.

B (55:24)

A lavender relationship, what does that mean? You don't know? Oh, let me give you some Gen Z Lore.

A (55:28)

Okay, tell me, tell me.

B (55:29)

A lavender relationship is basically, you have, in this example, allegedly, a gay man and a straight woman who marry for convenience and for optics. Trevor doesn't love that woman. Please. Really? Allegedly and for entertainment purposes.

A (55:47)

Allegedly and for entertainment purposes. I didn't know that. But the left would embrace him if he was gay.

B (55:55)

Sometimes it's just more convenient to be lavender.

A (55:59)

I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, it was when I was a kid.

B (56:03)

He's been around a long time.

A (56:06)

Okay.

B (56:07)

He's from a different time.

A (56:08)

Got it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. I didn't think about that. Good point.

B (56:15)

And don't even get me started about what I've heard about Chrissy and her little sexcapades.

A (56:18)

Well, we're gonna get to that, actually, so I want. We're gonna get to that. So I want to read you a few of these though, that you bring up. So here's what she said to Farrah Abraham, who was the former 16 and pregnant star. She said, in other news, you're a. I think it's a wench and everyone hates you. Whoops. Not other news. Sorry. Then she said to her, wow. Amazed to see the outrage behind calling a staged leaked sex tape chick from Teen mom exactly what she is. Go on with your bad selves. Here's what she said to Lindsay Lohan. Lindsay adds a few more slits to her wrists when she sees Emma Stone.

B (57:07)

This is dark.

A (57:08)

It is dark. It's disgusting.

B (57:10)

I didn't know that one.

A (57:11)

Here's what Courtney Stodden said that Chrissy Teigen had said to her. She wouldn't just publicly tweet about me wanting to take a dirt nap. So to I guess to die, but she would. Teagan would privately DM me and tell me to kill myself and things like, I can't wait for you to die.

B (57:32)

The.

A (57:32)

The list is so long of this girl's bullying and in the most. Okay, ready? Here's another one. She apologizes for this only to end up bullying Nicki Minaj. But wait, Tegan wrote Nikki Cox named her son Meredith. Her son Meredith. Meredith is her son's name. The name of her son is Meredith. Is it a child that she's trying to humiliate?

B (58:02)

It's crazy.

A (58:03)

Avril Lavigne. Here's what she said about Avril Lavigne. If you told me I could have one kid but it would look exactly like Avril, I would choose to have a barren, sterile existence that ends when I die.

B (58:18)

What a feminist.

A (58:19)

Uh huh. After receiving hate from Levine's fans, Teagan said, sorry, you're offended. I mean, it is a long list of just vitriolic hatred. Here's another one. I don't. I'm going to get this name wrong as I've not heard of this person. But it's like Quinn. Quinn Quinvin, Zane Wallace. Oh, this is a nine year old Academy Award nominee. Okay. On February 24th, Tegan asked her followers, is it okay to call a small child Cocky. And then followed it up with I'm forced to like Cuban Zane Wallace because she's a child.

B (58:56)

Right?

A (58:57)

Okay, fine. She's going after children, this woman. Okay, now I want you to take a look at some of the super. So you've got. So let's just. Let's establish the precedent that she is. She's also an alcoholic who I guess is. Is not drinking at the moment. Who's viciously bullied women on social media for years. Viciously.

B (59:24)

And children.

A (59:25)

And children. But it actually gets even grosser.

C (59:31)

People were finding all of these disturbing old tweets from Chrissy Teigen's Twitter account before she mass deleted 60,000 tweets. She said seeing little girls do the splits. Half is just I want to put myself in jail. A little boy in the pageant. Now finally some eye candy for me. It always weirds me out how strong little toddlers tummies can look. And I am aware of how absolutely disturbing that sounds. Accidentally went to the children's aquarium looking pretty pedo bearish. Cruising the parking lot. I'm bored. Really want to watch kids give birth? Where can I watch teens giving birth? Mtv? I mean that doesn't make sense, but I'll try. I just saw a baby that looked like a corn star. Like a trashy do anything corn star. Is that wrong to think he just said the cleanliest and best pleasure is to have with a 13 year old. Skinny Pedos drink. Pedialyte. I now know what parents go through when they're forced to tie their kids up in the basement. You have to do it, but it's icky. Am I right? Water slide that goes through a shark and tank F. Yeah. Time to get my pedo on. Pedo's delight. Toddlers and Tiaras star four. I want pizza. Brad Pitt just handed us pizza. I'm about to. Anthony Weiner. This kid, Anthony Weimer is a former member of the United States House of Representatives who has been involved in multiple smex scandals. With one of these texting scandals being with a 15 year old girl. And he was sentenced to 21 months in prison.

A (61:01)

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B (66:08)

You know, I have a few takeaways. I think you're being really nice. Go. And I respect it.

A (66:12)

Go.

B (66:13)

I respect it. First of all, her publicist needs to be fired.

A (66:15)

Fair if she has one.

B (66:17)

Because that just being information that she put out free will and nobody told her it was concerning is insane. Secondly, I, I do agree with you. It does. Between the alcoholism and like the bizarre behavior and tweets and things that she's making, it does seem like she is a survivor of assault, kind of. But my hot take is you're, if you are a survivor of assault and now you are doing these kind of things, it makes it 10 times worse. I hate to say it, yes, I can understand the psychology that's going there, but I understand that in the same way that when I read about a serial killer, it's like, yeah, it is the same. It's the same thing.

A (66:56)

The exact same thing.

B (66:57)

It's like, this is inexcusable. Like, if anything, it makes you that much more heinous and evil and sociopathic. But putting on my tinfoil hat a little bit again, when we go back to, like, what we were talking about earlier and these, like, evil entities and paganism and all of that, something that I've also learned. Learned when it comes to some of these more demonic spiritual laws, is a lot of them, they have to tell you what they're doing as they do it, so in subtle ways. And again, I don't want to go too much on that.

A (67:26)

I want to hear it because, you know, because. Because people think I'm crazy. I had this. This conversation with Jack Posobiek, and everybody was like, you're an idiot, Jillian. I'm like, all right, whatever. But I'm happy to lay into me in the comments. Tell me.

B (67:39)

Well, name one genius that isn't crazy. But.

A (67:44)

So.

B (67:50)

I'm telling you, I have been so locked in these last couple years about theology and history, not even from, like, a religious nut perspective, but just learning how long and how far back these evil things have come gone.

A (68:05)

All right, so you've done the work.

B (68:07)

So when you look at spiritual law, these people have to tell you the evil things that they're doing as they do it. It's a predictive programming thing. It's also just like. It's just one of the rules.

A (68:18)

They tell you pretty predictive programming.

B (68:19)

Are.

A (68:19)

Are you trying to say that, like, they're. They're trying to spread this message? What does that mean?

B (68:23)

They're normalizing it.

A (68:25)

Oh, I get it.

B (68:25)

They're desensitizing us to it.

A (68:27)

I get it.

B (68:27)

A lot of the things that are happening have been. They've been inching towards it for a very long time. Like, even just as far as how much the trans movement has been shoved down our throats like this now. Weird thing that they're trying to make kids be trans. That's not necessarily new. If you look back at the 90s, a lot of rap videos, with which rap obviously became the biggest, most dominating genre for a very long time, A lot of rap videos in the 90s feature a lot of transgenders. And I'm not Saying that that's, you know, really as. Yeah, if you look at a lot of them, if you look at, if you go and do the research of who is or who are the, the vixens of these music videos, a lot of them feature trans women. And it was to slowly normalize. More drugs, more crime, more transgenderism. And then the slope starts and they start to make it to where now it's being normalized and put on children. It's like those type of things have been going on for a long time. It's just nobody clocks it until, you know, like you said, the frog in boiling water thing, you don't realize that you've been boiling this water slowly.

C (69:30)

Right.

A (69:31)

You know, the, the trans issue for me actually kind of mirrors Nicki Minaj's exact position. I honestly don't care. I am, I make, I don't care as anybody. I'm a classic liberal. It's like whatever you want to do. The line stops when it infringes on somebody else's rights. You know, that's where like the transgender issue in sports, I'm like, get, I get it. But however, you know, it's not fair. There's a safety issue there. There's. What about the fair, equal playing field here? That's a, this is where it. You want to be trans, let's do it. But guys playing against women, not fair. We have a problem. Something needs to be discussed. You're an adult. Your brain is fully developed. And I, I mean that literally because these, these medications is off label. Cancer drugs literally impair the child's brain from developing properly. Their bones don't develop properly. They're forced to make decisions they can't comprehend, like being sterilized for life, never being able to have an orgasm. Like, these are things that are a hard no for a child. You won't let them have a beer or a tattoo. I mean, we've said this a thousand times. It's common sense. But I didn't really pay attention to this. I didn't actually see it until they started using the whole like the gay rights thing. And when they started making that a Trojan horse for this, that's when I was like, oh, hell no, we're not doing that.

B (70:58)

Yeah.

A (70:59)

Oh, no, absolutely not. Sit back the down. We are not transient kids. This is not going to happen. And you're certainly not going to ride the coattails of those of us that fought for this. And the reality is it took a long time. I was talking to Carl Higbee a month and A half ago. And he's like, listen, Jillian, the reality is you would have caught me a decade ago or however many years, and I would not have been amenable to your marriage. Probably the same with Charlie Kirk. Only to see him then say to Dave Rubin, listen, I am a Christian, right. Like, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. But we don't live in a theocracy. And I would not want to take away your right to protect your family. It took a long time.

B (71:44)

Yeah.

A (71:44)

To have good faith with Christian Americans, conservatives, to say, like, I hear it. I understand how you feel. I understand that this is your religion, that this is. I'm trying to protect my family. There are 1300 rights associated with marriage. Like, really kicking and screaming, like, bringing them to a place of, like, all right, don't ask, don't tell. I just. Don't make me make your wedding cake. No problem. You don't want to make my wedding cake? Why would I want you to. You want me to get married in your church? Why would I want to get married there? To shove something in your face. But then it. Then all of a sudden, the gays, some of them broke the contract. And the reality is this is a big pharma narrative because it's a huge business. But the reality is we saw groups like the Human Rights Campaign that I donated to while they were fighting for gay marriage, pick up this mantle, take money from Pfizer. It's right there on their website, by the way. And they broke the contract that we had. And now when I sit with conservatives, they are pissed. And they're like, we gave you this. Like, we got on board, and you're trans in kids. I'm like, no, we are not transing kids. Gays are not transing kids. But then it's our responsibility to stand up and, like, I didn't see this happening. You saw this happening.

B (73:02)

You know, no, because I tried to give the benefit of the doubt for a long time. When it comes to anything slippery slope, that there's a common sense endgame. And, like, when people. Whenever people are at the root of, like, fighting for a cause, the people that are actually leading the movement, when the movement has substance, they're never trying to take it to the extreme. It's always when there is a group of people who know that this is their grift or this is their way of exploiting a real movement in order to tie it into something that's completely fraudulent. And that's what's happened. And it's really unfortunate to see it spoiled in the way that it is. It's the same thing with civil rights. The amount of times I am mortified when I will see black people get online and go on these rants about how we like, they're basically calling for segregation to come back now. They're like, we need black only spaces. We need all these privileges we want. It's like you. Black dorms, black libraries, black restaurants. It's like you literally want to go back to the South, Jim Crow South. Like, that's what you're begging for. And it's again, you have these people that take a movement and they spoil it. They've broken the contract. You see the same thing with feminism. Women have equality in our country. And now you have people like Alex Cooper from Call Her Daddy. She's like, we don't have equal rights and we need to fight. It's like, Alex Cooper, respectfully, your entire job is encouraging young women to be whores and then be mad at men when they come and get with you for the value of a medium sized pizza. It's like, I don't understand how you think you don't have rights. And you're trying to act like you're this new age feminist. It's like, why aren't you saying anything about the women that are in burlap sacks in the Middle East?

A (74:40)

Yep.

B (74:40)

It's because once again, when your movement doesn't have substance, you take a real movement and you just add to it for your grifts or. Or to feel good about yourself or to just take it over the edge. It's embarrassing, you know, but then what.

A (74:52)

Happens is they push it too far.

B (74:53)

They do.

A (74:54)

And I'm having to debate with Steven Crowder about women being able to vote.

B (74:57)

Yeah.

A (74:58)

I'm like, how the did we get here?

B (75:00)

It's the pendulum.

A (75:01)

And he's like, well, I have a whole theory about that. And listen, there, I. I genuine. Generally like Steven Crowder. I vastly, passionately disagree with him about some of his positions. And it's like, well, if you guys don't fight in wars and you don't get drafted, I'm like, but you don't even want to. There's a whole. The conservatives don't even want women to fight. Like, this is where it goes too far. This is where we're going over the line. Or like, I don't want to see the Browning of America. I'm like, yeah, I'm not with you on that one.

B (75:28)

I hear that one a lot.

A (75:29)

Don't agree. And Like, I have zero issue with the Browning of America. I care about maintaining Western values but I don't. I have. Don't go down that road. That is a dirty, dangerous road to go down. And I, I understand kind of the, the commentary of wanting to maintain. I very passionately want to maintain western values. I thank God every day we're in this country.

B (75:55)

I'm the most western person that there can be.

A (75:57)

Same same.

B (75:59)

I go to air one, don't invite me places that doesn't have that if it doesn't have valet or a secure garage. Like, I'm very bougie. I live a soft life compared to what people are living overseas. If the WI fi isn't strong, I'm not staying.

A (76:15)

I could not be more in alignment with you.

B (76:18)

I like a degree of separation. It's like.

A (76:20)

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B (77:44)

And I think it's important we talk about the root of where that's coming from too.

A (77:48)

Do it.

B (77:48)

When we start talking about the root of where some of these movements have gone too far. It's not just a group of people that are Sitting at a table that are like, you know what, we're just going to take this, go farther. There's a lot of, you know, subliminal messaging that's happening, whether it's the online discourse or what's happening on TV and all these different things that make people feel like they have to take it further. And we have to start looking at some of these things that are happening. Like from China, when you start to look at bots. Have you seen the recent studies on bots? The large percentage of online traffic that is fake and fraudulent? There's a book I read by Peter Schweizer called Blood Money. And in the beginning of the book it talks a lot about how during blm, for example, a lot of the discourse and the division that you saw that came from bots created by China, where they intentionally wanted American citizens to be more divided, to be more polarized and to be more emotional. It had some people seeing on their feed people being way more racist than the average American than you had on the other side of it. You saw them just being, you know, like, you saw them being told like, you need to go out, you need to be angry, you need to be destroying buildings and burning down everything. And a lot of the accounts that were huge, with thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of followers, they weren't even real people yet. They were radicalizing the general public. This has been going on for a long time. We also just saw it with the whole Israel, Gaza thing. A lot of the traffic that was happening were coming from bots. There are reports that even show some of the biggest accounts that were on Twitter were largely propped up by bots.

A (79:20)

I saw Matt Walsh did something on that.

B (79:22)

I even met someone recently. I'm not going to say his name, but I met someone recently who is from China and his full time job is creating bots. And he was, he didn't know what I did for work and he was just giving me the whole rundown on his accounts and how he owns thousands and thousands and thousands of accounts and how he is able to sway public opinion and make certain things and certain ideas seem way more popular than they actually are. So when this happens, that's how you end up with movements that go too far, because that's where people think they're supposed to go. That's where the expectation is set. It's very intentionally done and it's done with the purpose and the intent of destroying Western society. It's coming from Islam, it's coming from China, it's coming from Russia. Three entities that all ultimately want to be more powerful than the United States.

A (80:11)

You know, I do know that about Nick Fuentes. I saw that, actually, Chamath. I cannot pronounce this guy's last name. As much as I respect him and watch him. Palapitia. I think it is so brilliant. And he. There was a whole piece that they did showing that Fuentes traffic was largely artificial. But then the problem is. Begets itself. So then people see the traffic, then they platform the guy because they want the clicks. Then they take on the talking points, and all of a sudden it's been laundered into the mainstream, you know, and the anti ice stuff, like, you're seeing monster celebrities at the Grammys. God help us, please. Not at the super bowl, but at the. At the Golden Globes. And they. Then it starts to seem so mainstream. And then it gets incredibly radical. Like, have you. You know, I was talking to my producer. I'm like, there's so much I want to talk to Xavier about. I don't even know where to begin. And I had pulled some ice stuff, and he's like, jill, it's like we're iced out. And he didn't mean. You know, he's like, we're just. I'm like, I don't know. It's gotten crazier this week, Michael. Have you seen it? And actually, now might be the time. Have you seen this? There are. It reminds me of the Summer of Love. Let me pull up the sound up for you here. There are roadblocks in the road there. There's like full blown vigilantism now in Minneapolis.

B (81:53)

Yeah, he's just our Somalian Uber driver, man. Hey, how's it going? I was just saying it looks like in our system, your plates came up as an ice plate. That doesn't seem like it's the case, but I just wanted to come through and see what was up and talk to you, see how you were doing.

A (82:11)

They're shaking down. All over Minneapolis.

B (82:18)

Yeah, totally, totally.

A (82:20)

He's like. He's. He's good. He's like, yeah, yeah, totally, totally. It. It gets worse. I have a. I want to show you another one. Keep. Keep those on. We're gonna. We're gonna. I'm gonna show you them all, and then we're gonna discuss.

B (82:29)

My name is Rogelio Martinez. I am calling all 55 gangs in my beautiful city. I expect a gang leader from every gang. All 55 gangs. And I'm not going to name them by name. I'm calling the Latino gangs I'm calling.

A (82:50)

But I need to read it.

B (82:50)

The Filipino gangs, I'm calling the black gangs. I'm calling the Pacific Islander gangs. I'm calling all gang leaders to meet me right here. Long Beach City hall, this coming Monday. Why Monday? Specifically, I need you to be here to meet me in person to take back this city. A black man was surrounded by a group of white people and repeatedly called a house. Yes, you heard it right, a house. But the media is not covering it. Why? Because it was a group of white anti ICE protesters calling a black ICE agent.

A (83:25)

Watch the clip. Wow. Wow.

B (83:28)

Is that a question? Wow. Okay. No.

A (83:41)

Why are you calling a woman a man? I mean, what kind of a guy does that?

B (83:54)

This man was called a house four times during Black History Month and none of these white liberals said anything about it because he's an ICE agent.

A (84:00)

It's delusional. There's one other series of, of clips I could show you, but the problem is they're just so. They're actually so sensitive that they've been flagged on social. It's a bunch of kids around the country, middle school kids and high school kids. One, they're beating the out of a teacher, like a group of 20 kids.

B (84:22)

Okay, that was crazy.

A (84:23)

Yep. Can't. Can't show that. Yeah. Another one of a bunch of high schoolers throwing rocks at ice cars and others of teachers leading elementary school kids in a walkout. You're like, you're gonna make children political.

B (84:46)

And walk out on their education.

A (84:47)

Right. So the problem is you talk about bots, but like, it becomes to the point now where you. This is, this is, this is affecting. It's getting laundered into the mainstream. So now, hey, it's not real. It's not real. It's just bots. Don't panic. It's not real. This isn't normal. But then it becomes the norm, which obviously is the point.

B (85:12)

Yeah.

A (85:12)

What do we. What are your thoughts on what I just showed you?

B (85:16)

Well, my first thought, I have to say is I didn't know that there were Pacific Islander gangs.

A (85:20)

I didn't either.

B (85:23)

Me cat. I was like, the Samoans are getting down like that, cuz they are way too big to be rolling as a Cambodian gang.

A (85:32)

Peaceful people.

B (85:34)

They're so chill. I was like, if a Hawaiian rolled up on me, I'll be like, bro, like, let's have a luau. Like, like.

A (85:43)

I was stunned.

B (85:44)

I just know they're late. Every drive by five gangs in the area.

A (85:48)

I'm like, we won.

B (85:49)

Oh my gosh that's crazy.

A (85:51)

I know.

B (85:52)

Yeah.

A (85:53)

Can we get the Belizean gangs out here? Get those guys out? Yeah, I know.

B (86:00)

Well, you know, going back, you hit the nail in the head about the fact that the bots are turning into real influence, and I think that that's really important that we clarify, because whenever I talk about bots and how so much of Internet traffic is fake, a lot of people think that that means that I'm downplaying how real these people and ideas are. No, no, no. What I'm saying, it's just these bots are creating more people actually believing it and actually thinking that this is the popular narrative. Because a lot of the times, if you're on an online debate and you get ratioed and the person that claps back at you, they can have thousands more likes than you, but that doesn't mean that they're right.

A (86:35)

What does ratio mean?

B (86:37)

Ratio.

A (86:38)

I'm learning so much.

B (86:39)

It's like if I tweet something, and then sometimes they'll just say literally the word ratio to make you look dumb, and then everybody will go like the tweet that says ratio. But if you get ratioed, it means that someone's response to you was more popular than what you said. And then the consensus is, oh, everybody liked this tweet, so that means that it's the better idea. And people will buy likes on their tweets sometimes to ratio you to make it seem like you're an idiot for saying the sky is blue. Someone comes and says, dumbass, the sky is green. And then, boom, ratio. All of a sudden, the sky is green. So that's where these bots like. It creates real delusion. It creates real negative influence because people are going based on the numbers, not on the substance.

A (87:27)

Right.

B (87:28)

People don't have depth to their knowledge anymore, so there's so much to unpack. Going back to, like, the guy that was pointing out how there was a black man getting called house and word over and over again. Yeah. It's not a surprise to me because every single day, I have white people. White liberals, privileged white liberals are always at the scene of the crime. I always have them calling me either a coon, a race traitor, an Uncle Tom, a sellout, hard R, soft A, whatever it is. And it's okay because of my proximity to whiteness. The second you become conservative or Republican or you're a part of law enforcement, you will have white people that have been empowered by social justice causes to think that they can put me back in my place.

A (88:16)

Wow.

B (88:17)

So what Systemic racism turned into is systemic disempowerment. So you no longer have white liberal or white Democrats, I should say, is what a lot of them are. But you no longer have them saying, oh, you're not allowed to go into these places and spaces. You are just told instead, you're not allowed to think this way. You're not allowed to pursue this career path. You aren't supposed to prioritize, you know, high education standards and things like school choice. We're going to tell you that you shouldn't prioritize that. And what then the ripple effect is, is black kids aren't learning how to read. If you look at the stats of how high black illiteracy is, you would be appalled, if you haven't already. It's like, I want to say over country, I want to say it's like close to 80. It is bad in the country, but almost 80% of black children are functionally illiterate. Black children are significantly below literacy standards in every single metric. So that's happening. And we're supposed to be told that that's not. We're supposed to focus on. We're instead supposed to focus on things like Black Lives Matter or Free Palestine, et cetera. But in that specific example where you have this black law enforcement officer being called a house N word, I did.

A (89:28)

The same thing to win some more sealers, by the way. They called her the N word. And like all those things because they.

B (89:33)

Don'T want you to enforce the law. They want you to be in a state of anarchy. They think that they're helping you, but really all they're doing is they're trying to systemically disempower you. They want you to be in a neighborhood that has no police. And what happens then? You're going to end up in a life of crime and abuse and all these different things. And who, who are you going to call? So my, my message to a lot of the white. Because like, those kind of people, they're so far gone, they're probably going to stay that far gone. But when you have the white classical liberals and you have the white people that really are just trying to help people, trust me when I say don't go advocating for something for black people that you wouldn't want for yourself.

A (90:08)

Oh, God, that's well said.

B (90:10)

Because every white liberal that says we shouldn't have the police in black communities, okay, would you call the police if there was crime in your neighborhood? Is that what you want? You think you're helping us and you're not. You're harming us. And when you then tell us, like, oh, I'm a house N word, because I dare to think for myself, it's like, okay, are you allowed to be, you know, able to question things like you want to. Are you allowed to think outside of the box that you're put in? And then they'll try to tell me that I'm uncomfortable in my skin? No, I'm very comfortable in my skin. So comfortable that I'm willing to think outside of the parameters that you've put on me. No one puts a glass ceiling on a black person faster than a white liberal.

A (90:46)

Not Malcolm X.

B (90:48)

It's Malcolm X. He wasn't wrong about everything.

A (90:50)

You know, I didn't. I didn't really understand the things that he was saying. Obviously, while being a white liberal, I was like, what do you mean? We're allies. I didn't understand. I remember. I hate to say this because I thought this was so shitty, and I have called Van Jones out for this, but he basically said, like, the worst enemy is a white liberal. And at the time, I was a white liberal. So I was like, you, dude. You.

B (91:20)

Like what?

A (91:21)

Like, what do you mean? I didn't understand it at all. And then I was accused of being a white savior because I worked for the United Nations. This isn't fair, though. I worked for the United nations refugee agency, and they assigned me to South Sudan. I actually wanted to. Wanted to work in Syria because I'm Syrian, and kids were washing up on the beach at this time, and they were like, yeah, I know. We've got Angelina and. And Joey and Ben Stiller on that one. You want to go South Sudan? They're like, nobody wants to go. I'm like, I wonder why I stayed. I just stay in, like, Ben Stiller's into Four Seasons, Beirut, and. And I'm like, at a refugee camp, which, by the way, I wouldn't have traded for the world in. In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, one of the most incredible experiences. But of course, it was like, oh, you're a white savior, and I have a black kid, so it's like, you're a white sa. I didn't sign up to go adopt a black kid. I. I signed up for international adoption. It was like, whichever country is open. But India was closed. South America had closed all the countries. China had closed. Haiti was open at the time they closed it, which is a separate conversation, but they close it to international adoption. Kind of goes back to the CGI stuff, because if they allow like, we need to keep these kids in their culture. I'm like, what culture? They're dying of cholera. They're being trafficked. There's. There's like, it's incomplete, but it's all about maintaining control and not having any visibility. So anyway, it's separate situation, but it was like, you're a major white savior. And that kind of. That's honestly one of the top reasons I stopped working with the United nations refugee agencies. Because I was like, I don't need this one. I'm gonna sit this one out. I'm not interested in this. This conversation at all. And you know who ran the White Saviors? A white woman from the Midwest ended up getting on the phone because they're like, oh, they went after me so aggressively. And everybody was like, oh, man, you gotta be careful. The White Savers gotta be so careful. The White Savior group on Instagram, they'll take you down. And they're like, you have to pay us a fee for us to educate you. I swear to God, honest to God, you have to pay us a fee, and we will educate you on how not to be a white savior. And I was like, all right, I'm actually going to do this thing. It was like a 500 fee. And I get on the phone with a white woman from the Midwest who was educating me on not being a white savior. And I was like, this is unhinged. That was 20. End of 2020. But I'm uniquely. I see both sides of it now.

B (93:49)

Yeah.

A (93:50)

Where you're kind of like, okay, white people do do this all the time, and it is gross. But at the same time, sometimes just human to human.

B (94:00)

Yeah.

A (94:00)

So I'll give you one more example. When I was in the Congo, I took a bus with refugees that were coming down from South Sudan. So it's like, we're gonna document what these people go through. And we did this thing to raise money where you. You walk and you do the steps that they have to do, and you get people to sponsor you, and the money goes to building wells and all of this. You have to understand, like, there's no way for. For people there to let anyone know what they're going through, let anyone know what they're struggling with. They need. They need help. It should not matter what color you are trying to provide help. So now there's. There's a bridge. And Xavier had to be, I don't know, like a 50 years old. It's like twigs, this thing, and you're walking across this a river, hence the concept of a bridge. And there's a mom there, and she has three kids, and one's a toddler, one's, I don't know, maybe seven, and she's holding a baby and there's get holes in the bridge. So I, I'm like, can I, you know, would you look? Can I take the toddler? And they come running over and they're like, do not pick up that child. I'm like, are you kidding? Like, we don't, you know, we don't want you to because it's all, it's all being documented. So they're like, we don't want you to. You know, it's like very, you know, you'll be like a white savior. And I didn't really understand what that meant at that time. All I know is I'm a mom. It's 2018. There's a mom with three kids walking babies across this bridge that they can fall through. Who's been through, honestly, hell, things that you and I could not, you know, the WI fi. Right. And I, I'm like, I'm picking up this kid. But the fact that, like, I think good white people honestly don't even know what to do anymore.

B (95:48)

Yeah.

A (95:49)

I mean, don't. I stay out of it. Like, I, I see that. I see this thing that Trump was posting, and I'm like, I, I will absolutely call this out for what it is, because I will not be tribal. No way. I'm not going to do it. I'm going after bad ideas, period. You're never gonna. Racism bad. I don't care where it's coming from. Inappropriate things that lead to racism. I'm gonna get on top of that. And misogyny and, you know, anti gay stuff and anti Semitic stuff. And then work goes too far. I'll call that out too. Like voting laws being called Jim Crow. But at the same, that's where I'm like, I can't touch this.

B (96:22)

This is.

A (96:24)

I can't get too pissed about it. Because you don't want to be. Be a white savior. Like, what. How does honestly. Putting the lefty aside, how does a person advocate when there is, like, there is racism. Like the. You just watched. It doesn't matter where it's coming from. I showed you two examples today. The Obamas being labeled as apes and then liberals calling this ICE agent a house. N word. Like, what do you want a white person to do? Honesty.

B (96:54)

Two things. Black people ultimately just want to be left alone. We're so tired. It's like, can we focus on the Persians for a little bit. They need y' all right now. Black people just want to be treated like we're members of society. We can do everything. There are 2 million black millionaires in America. We're not oppressed. We're living our lives. But when it comes to white people.

A (97:17)

So do nothing.

B (97:18)

White people can't win in the sense that if you see color, you're racist. If you don't see color, you're racist. Like, you can just go down the whole line. So my advice to white people is just think about this. Who gives a shit if you want to help somebody? And this is my. And obviously, this is outside looking in. This is outside looking at.

A (97:36)

So don't be mad at either of it, though, because you can't just be mad at one side.

B (97:40)

So hear me out. I'm a very audacious person. I'm gonna do what I want to do. I don't care. Because there are black people who are going to say that I am a bootlicker, that I am whatever. I don't care what they have to say about me. And then you have even some black conservatives that will criticize me for this, that, and the other. I don't care. I'm just going to do what I want to do. I'm going to help who I want to help. I'm going to feel what I want to feel, and I'm going to do it publicly. If you. And privately, if you are a white person and you want to help this black person in whatever way, or you want to help somebody, help them as a human. And don't be afraid of being called a white savior if you're actually just trying to help a human being because you going and wanting to pick up a child. The fact that you even have to think through. Oh, no. Like, what about the optics? Who gives a shit? You're a human being. Yeah. You're a white woman. Be an unapologetic white woman. You want to know the type of white woman I want to see come back the as if kind of white woman. I want to see the white woman that is just unapologetically, you know, doing what it is that they need to do, handling their business. Okay. Don't be afraid of being told that you're doing too much or that you're doing too little. You don't need to be sitting here concerned that a black person is going to be offended that you're not doing enough for them. You're a grown adult. Go do what you need to do. It's like, don't. Who cares?

A (98:55)

Honestly, I would call out, I would say we are moving in the wrong direction. And it wouldn't matter if it was an anti Semitic meme. It wouldn't matter if it was an anti gay meme. It wouldn't matter if it was an anti black meme. I would simply say, this is not okay.

B (99:07)

Call it out.

A (99:08)

Moving in the wrong direction.

B (99:09)

You're being a good human. You're not being a good white woman. You're being a good human. Being human when you call out racism. You're being a good human when it's actual racism, not some make believe invisible boogeyman of systemic oppression racism.

A (99:21)

I call that out too though. And then I'm a white nationalist. But I feel more comfortable. It's so odd. I actually feel more comfortable calling that out now than trying to be an ally. It's interesting. Like now I feel more comfortable saying, hold on. Like famously on cnn when I was like, no, not all white people are bad. That's not true. And in fact, if you go back to the Civil War, 350, 000 people died to end this. Like there are whole cemeteries dedicated to this. We fought a war over this. Like, what about those guys? What about the people whose ancestors died to end this? Do they get a pass? Like, my ancestors weren't even here. Do we get a path? Like that part. But now I'm actually more concerned about trying to say like that was racist. Don't do that. It's so Xavier.

B (100:13)

You can't win, so you can't care. And it's again, it's easier said than done, but just focusing on being a good human. And also, can I just say, when it comes to like the white guilt that people have, it's kind of audacious too, because don't sit here and assume that your family at any point owned mine. Because first of all, the audacity of that, because when you start looking at the stats, because you know, Happy Black History Month, when you start looking at the stats of slavery, majority of white people today are literally not the descendants of slaves. They're not. Because to own slaves you had to own land and land where you were actually having work be done on it. So to justify that, that would assume that you came from a more affluent family in the South. So when you look at it, it's a very small percentage of white people back then own slaves. And if you're really going to get into the black history, you had over 3,000 black slave owners in the South. Nobody wants to talk about that either. It's socioeconomic privilege has always been a huge thing. But there were black slave owners in the South. But we don't talk about that because we have totally made history about tribalism, and we've made it about, you know, woe is the black man. And. And that's in order to keep us voting for the Democrat Party because they want us to constantly think that we are oppressed and that we have this constant fear of, oh, we're not as black people. We're not supposed to care about the economy or crime or the border or education or anything of that sort. We're only supposed to care about, are they going to put me in shackles again? Am I going to be in the back of the bus? Is my daughter going to live the life of Harriet Tubman? That's what I'm told that I'm supposed to care about. No, that's all bullshit. So when it comes down to the reality of where we're living today, it's. It's. Let's make sure our country is good for all Americans, period.

A (101:57)

I love that.

B (101:58)

Let people have their rights. Let people, you know, thrive and be able to pursue an education, to pursue economic success, to pursue all the beautiful, glorious things that we have as privileges in Western society. That's what I care about. And when I'm going to fight for something, I'm not going to fight for it because I'm a conservative. I'm not going to fight for it because I'm black. I'm gonna fight for it because I am a good human and an American. And when you're defending something or you're fighting against something, you're fighting for it because you are a good human. Not because you're a white savior, not because you're a white. Whatever. You're a good human.

A (102:34)

I want to take you on one more hard turn because that's the mic drop on that issue, period, exclamation mark. Thank you. I agree. That's double exclamation, exclamation. Okay. Have you just. I have to show this to you. This is the past week in Mom Dani World.

B (102:54)

Oh, okay. Let's talk about Mom.

A (102:59)

Donnie, we put together a montage for you. Oh, yeah, guys, we have a montage for you because there were so many clips. I'm like, I can't call all these up. How in the name of God can I get Mom Johnny 1? Mom Johnny 15? I. I put together a montage for you on Mom Donnie, a Week if Mom Donnie. February 2nd, second week of February. Team earphones on.

B (103:30)

People are like, oh, it's because of city snow, because of ice. Do you see this? This is because of nothing. Look, this is the great wall of New York City trash. This is now a. A national landmark.

A (103:41)

Wait for it.

B (103:45)

Oh, my God.

A (103:46)

Ten people froze to death.

B (103:47)

No family should have to endure this kind of pain.

A (104:02)

Life there.

B (104:03)

These are not programs that are going to ask the immigration status of any one of the children. All of those children are New Yorkers that. I am naming Ramsey Kassim as chief counsel.

A (104:16)

911 defense turn.

B (104:18)

Ramsey will be joining the administration from CUNY, where he serves as a professor of law. Has deep experience arguing in court, including.

A (104:25)

Before the Supreme Court for Al Qaeda. You psychopath. I don't know. Okay, so let's recap real quick. We've got walls of trash that are six feet high. Now I'm on my way to New York, so I'm actually gonna go see this for myself.

B (104:40)

Oh, Manhattan. So bad.

A (104:41)

I've heard this. He won't clean up the tent cities that Eric Adams had had cleaned up. So people are freezing to death outside. And if you, you know, it's well known that addicts are not going to help themselves. You have to force them to get into recovery. You have to force them to get into a shelter. So you're letting them overdose and freeze to death on the street. He goes after the cop that went after the guy that was using a knife, what appears to be his family, and he tells New Yorkers he's going to use their tax dollars to pay for daycare for people who don't pay taxes. And yes, I, I know there are some people who are here undocumented that pay taxes, but vast majority do not pay income tax. Vast majority work under the table. That is the past week of Mamdani. We're. We're in month. This is. This is week six. Week six. They've got four years of this. And one more thing on the radical Islam piece, everyone's like, ah, you. You're just Islamophobic. And I really couldn't have cared less that the guy was Muslim. I'm like, why do we keep bringing this up? Is it so that you can't criticize his policies? Because they're just going to say, like, oh, you just don't like Muslims. But the reality is that's alarming. Your chief counsel is the guy that defended al Qaeda after 9, 11, and last in one of his rap songs. And I remember stumping Cenk Uygur on Piers Morgan about this because we're like, he's not radical. Well, he did say in his rap song I Give My Love to the Holy Land 5, you better look him up. Who funded Hamas. So he is is pro radical Islam. Now we have two separate instances thoughts on, on this week's events and where, where mom Donnie takes us.

B (106:41)

New York City voters. What did you think was going to happen again? These people will tell you exactly who they are. And when they tell you who they are, you need to believe them. I'm not afraid of being called Islamophobic. I don't hate someone that just because they're Islamic. But I do have a lot of issues fundamentally with Islam, particularly the Islamic Brotherhood. And when we look at Mamdani and I have drawn, I have a video on my YouTube channel where I made a whole Venn diagram about radical leftism and radical Islam. How they're insanely different, but how they have come together in the last decade or so because ultimately they want to see the fall of the west and we see the infiltration that's been happening for a long time. And I'm going to get back to Mamdani specifically, but just for extra context. They have been. Radical Islam has been infiltrating America and Western society for so long. We see it over in Europe. We see that it has gotten so bad in the UK that the UAE is now putting restrictions on their students going to school over in the UK because they're afraid of Islamic radicalization happening to their own citizens. Their Attorney General said that. It is so bad in the uk, it's getting bad in France, it's already been bad in France. It's getting bad in Italy, it's getting. It's horrible in Austria. It is horrible in all these different places. And over here now in America, you have countries like Qatar that have put over $6.5 billion into infiltrating our education system, which they largely go for institutions like Qatar, Harvard and Yale. Why? Because those are where our leaders, our next world leaders and countries leaders are coming from those universities. So there is a very conscious effort that is being made to completely destroy the fabric of Western society. And then when you look at the Quran, the holy text, the entire foundation of the principles that they're fighting on, and the fact that Mamdani swore in on the Quran, he is swearing in on a book that over 100 times throughout the book calls for the desecration and the slaughter of those who don't, who do not worship. Allah. So when we talk about Islam, if we're having an honest conversation and we're talking about the Islamic Brotherhood, they have a very clear mission that has been going on since their religion was created not that long ago. It has been very clear that they want to destroy everything that isn't for Allah. So when we see someone like Mamdani, who went to New York City and has become the mayor, the beacon of the world's capitalism, and is now destroying everything that New York City is, you can't tell me that's not on purpose. Mamdani is very educated. He knows exactly what he's doing. He knows how bad his policies are. Do you think Mamdani didn't watch the same video that we just watched? People think like, do you think that he's just dumb? Do you think that he's just blind? No, he's smart enough to know exactly what he's doing. He just watched that man try to stab his family and this police officer and then still proceeded to defend the criminal, defending the criminal over the law enforcement officer. There's no such thing as. Or there is a such thing as being that dumb. But Mamdani is way too educated to be that dumb. He's doing this on purpose. He's destroying the city on purpose. They're destroying America on purpose. They're putting the worst ideas imaginable into the brains of all these students on purpose. That's why you have a situation like free Iran not getting nearly as much momentum as free Palestine, because the more you look into the free Palestine. Cause it's bs. It was BS from the beginning. You have Hamas that literally wants to do nothing more than destroy Western society. And they're starting with the Jews, but they'll make their way to everybody else. The Jews are just the first in the line of defense. A lot of people ask me why I'm such a fighter for Zionism. It's like, yeah, because I know it affects me too. It's a very immediate threat to all of our values and to all of our existence if we don't start fighting this. But, yeah, in New York City, you're cooked. You voted somebody in who is very adamantly on a mission to destroy you. And they smile in your face through look up taqiyah takiyah. Are you familiar with taqiyah?

A (110:47)

You're supposed to lie if it's for Allah, the cause of the Quran, if it's to subjugate the infidel. You're allowed to lie. Because one of the things that tipped me off about that. This is how I ended up learning about this is I thought like if he is a devout Muslim, I mean in most Muslim countries they'll kill you for being gay or imprison you for life. So how are you wanting to trans kids and use tax dollars for gender affirming care, but you're a devout Muslim. And I was trying to figure out how those two things reconciled.

B (111:28)

Weakening our society, right? It ultimately comes down to weakening our society. They are very aware of what they're doing and they're using these progressive leftists as pawns because they're easy to manipulate. They're mobilizing these people because I mean, just think about it. Imagine you're at a table and you have a Hamas leader and they're sitting down with the people that are the most vocal for their cause here in America. And you have some 19 year old twink with blue hair that is completely against everything that the Quran stands for. But that's their ally here in the West. They're just the easiest to mobilize and then they're going to be eaten alive. It is very conscious what's happening. And I just want to emphasize again, Zoran Mamdani is way too educated to not see what we're all seeing and think that it's okay. He's doing this because he wants to destroy New York City. He wants to destroy the West. There's a reason he sworn on the Quran because it calls to do so over 100 times.

A (112:30)

Oh my God. I actually just thought he was like a radicalized kid who went to some high end college.

B (112:35)

That's what he cosplays. He's an actor. It's Takiya. It is all Takiya. Even just I call her Takiya Omar now. Like this whole thing of they threw some water on her. If someone goes and throws this liquid on you, you're going straight to the hospital. And she instead just acted so casually.

A (112:53)

Went after the guy. I'm like, you what?

B (112:55)

Yeah, like, oh, I'm so tough I'm going to run after you. It's girl, tighten that burlap sack and sit down. We all know it's an act, okay? Like, don't play any games with me. Takiya Omar full of bs. The amount of times that she has gotten on stage and just blatantly lied. I'm not afraid. It's like again, I don't hate Muslim people, but I do hate Islamic takeover.

A (113:16)

She's anti the west though.

B (113:18)

She is.

A (113:19)

That's the thing.

B (113:19)

They all are.

A (113:20)

She Is anti the West. Like I, I could point to I again, I could say Vivek Ramaswamy, first gen American. But Patrick bet David Vincent o', Shana, like these are guys that escaped Iran. Very pro American.

C (113:36)

Great.

A (113:39)

Stoked to have you started. A monster sized company employs a ton of people. Like, this is where don't talk to me about the Browning of America. I'm down for the PBD's and the Vivek Ramaswamys all day long.

B (113:52)

We're brown.

A (113:53)

I'm into it. What I'm not into is the Ilhan Omars and the Zorwan Mamdanis and I don't care. Born here, not born here. I'm not into anti west because I've seen where it goes and they immediately just shut you down with the whole Islamophobe racist, this, that, the other. But you start to just. I did not think that he, I thought he was just ideological.

B (114:20)

It's all an act. He's a great actor. And you know, I became very, I was already passionate about this issue. But the last conversation I had with Charlie Kirk in person was about the fact that we're not afraid to call out some of the grifting with BLM and get called racist. We're not afraid of being called any kind of bigot because we say that we don't want kids to get trans. Well, when you see the things that radical Islam is doing to the west, why are you afraid of being called Islamophobic? I'm not afraid of being called these things anymore because again, I'm standing on the principles that I know are right. And then when people try to act like, you know, we've been talking about Minnesota for months now. When we talk about what's happening in Minnesota with these Somalis and what they're doing over there, it's like, you really want to sit here and act like we're supposed to not call that out because we don't want to get called racism. Oh, all these Somali people are just in America because they want a better life. If they were here wanting a better life, why are they turning Minnesota into Somali?

A (115:15)

Yeah, you know, Dr. Als was just here and exposing, he was exposing healthcare fraud and it's occurring within the Russian and Armenian mafia. He also exposed fraud in the Cuban community in Florida and he went on to talk about in Nevada. So he outlined different communities in red states and blue states. I said, How's DeSantis handling that? He's like, he's cooperating, trying to get his Hands around it. How's Newsom handling it? Filed a civil rights complaint against him and called him a racist. I'm like, but aren't Armenians and Russians Caucasian? Aren't they? And it's just the. You know. And Newsom does know better. That's the thing. See, you see through Mom, Donnie. Now, I. I see it from your perspective, which I was just hoping. He was just young and ideological and just stupid. But I see that in Newsom. I know he knows better, and I. I know that he is just a dark, nefarious actor. But, you know, and my wife says to me, same thing you do, to an extent. She's. You know, we were talking about Newsom, and everybody's pissed at these celebrities that are leaving. Like, I'm not pissed at all. I fled California to get away from Newsom. And if he becomes president, I. I absolutely will. I'm like, where do you think we would be kind of safe if this guy does ruin the country? Because I believe that he could. I understand why, why liberals are leaving. They see Donald Trump in the way that I see Newsom. I don't blame them. And if that's what you want to do, do it, by all means, I'll. I would do the same. But she said to me, she goes, you know, you're so worried about Newsom. It's so much worse with Mamdani. And I was like, he's so stupid. He'll never be a president.

B (117:00)

I don't think he'd ever make it as president. People like him and aoc, it's like they can win over in very hyper progressive, compromised areas. They can never win on general. Yeah, they can never win a general election. There's no way.

A (117:13)

We have covered so much ground. I could talk to you forever and hopefully this. I would love to continue this conversation. Is there anything that I should have asked you that I didn't? Anything I don't have my antenna tuned into?

B (117:32)

You know, I feel like we covered a lot today. And if there's one thing I just want to emphasize to your audience is before you go out and you become so empathetic and sympathetic to these people who are in our country illegally, or they're here legally but not working towards Western values, they're not wanting to assimilate. If you came to America to flee what was happening in your home country, why the hell would you bring that here? Why has Minnesota turned into mini Somalia? I've been calling it Minnesomalia. Why do we have pockets?

A (118:16)

I don't mean to Laugh. But it's like, you have to laugh because it's true.

B (118:20)

It's an African tribal war over there.

A (118:22)

Yeah.

B (118:22)

It is so bad. So much corruption, so much fraud. You have over in Los Angeles, these pockets that I don't feel like I'm north of the border. And it's not because there's a lot of Hispanics. It's because of the amount of drugs and cartels and gangs and corruption that's happening over there, the amount of that are happening. So I get it. Everybody ultimately wants to go to bed. Well, not everybody, but most sane, good people want to be able to put their head on the pillow at the end of the night and feel like they did the right thing that day, 100%. And I get it. But you have to be willing to look deeper at what it is that you're supporting and what it is that you're propping up. And these ideas that you have that you think are so unifying, what you actually might be doing is rooting for your own downfall.

A (119:10)

God, you're spot on. Xavier, you're fantastic. Can you tell everybody how to follow you, everything that you're doing?

B (119:20)

Of course. Thank you again for having me. I'm on all platforms. Most usernames are just Xavier. It's unique spelling. It's Xavi. I have a YouTube podcast. I'm on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, Twitter, even Threads. And I have a reality show that's coming out very soon called Party Lines, and I'm the creator of the show, and it's about the world of political media personalities left, right, and center. So be on the lookout for that.

A (119:44)

Where can we find it?

B (119:45)

As of right now, the home is Amazon prime, but that may be subject to change because I'm about to sign with the talent agency who wants to shop it. So.

A (119:52)

Good for you.

B (119:53)

I'll probably come back right when we're about to.

A (119:54)

Oh, my God. Open invitation. Thank you. Absolutely. And. And I just want to say one last thing to you. You know, I mentioned to you that my daughter is a fan. I didn't know she was a fan, though, because I followed you. And you were like, oh, hey. And I said, oh, hey, would you come on. Cut to. She sends me one of your videos, which I sent to you, you know, like, a month and a half ago. And I was like, you follow Xavier? And she's like, he's fantastic. And I had no idea because she actually. She's conservative, but not political. My son is conservative and political. And I was like, what? You know, what, what is it that you like about him? And she's like, he just makes sense. No one makes sense anymore. And she's, you know, the kid is not. She doesn't elaborate when she doesn't feel like it. But I. So I just want to say thanks so much for speaking to this younger generation. You know, it's very hard for these kids to find a voice that they can trust that is guiding them in the right direction that isn't telling them to go on onlyfans. You know, it just, it's. It's very difficult. As a parent, I hate to say it, but you're no longer able at a certain point to influence your kid as much as it's like you need to be the primary role model. That works for a little while when they're like three, you know, and then they become teenagers and you're the last place they're looking. And I keep really close tabs on who my kids follow and what they're ingesting. And I just want to say, you know, I've really shown a huge amount of admiration to the people that my son has leaned into. And it was the Charlie kirks and Tom McDonald's. And I just, I want to really give you your flowers for that. Thank you for being a role model for these kids, educating them, empowering them. It's really a gift and I am so grateful to know that you're out there doing it.

B (122:09)

Don't make me cry. I'm from Chicago. I got to tell. Can't lose my street cred, but thank you. That really means a lot to me. And my goal, actually, when I make my content is I don't want to just be another political talking head. Like, yes, I have my more buttoned up videos and stuff like going on Fox and all that, but my social media content, I try to make it palatable to someone that wouldn't care about politics. I try to make it cultural. I do with my. I do my Walk With Me series. I do my, you know, I do the trends. I do it all, but in a way where I can try to bring common sense and decency to our country again. So shout out to your daughter.

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