HOLLYWOOD EXPOSED: Celebrity Virtue Signaling, Nick Shirley Death Threats & the National Divorce SCAM

Summary

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Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels

Episode: HOLLYWOOD EXPOSED: Celebrity Virtue Signaling, Nick Shirley Death Threats & the National Divorce SCAM

Date: April 24, 2026
Host: Jillian Michaels

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Episode Overview

In this wide-ranging and unflinching episode, Jillian Michaels and her team tackle hot-button topics across Hollywood, politics, and culture. They discuss celebrity virtue signaling, fact-check the latest viral claims, dissect the impracticalities of a “national divorce,” and address the escalating threats faced by independent journalist Nick Shirley. Jillian maintains her trademark candor, calling out hypocrisy and misinformation while defending free speech, independent journalism, and the true meaning of family.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hollywood Virtue Signaling & Misdirected Activism

[00:45–04:48]

• Anne Hathaway’s “Inshallah” Moment

  • Jillian critiques Anne Hathaway’s use of “Inshallah” (Arabic for “God willing”) in an interview, questioning its authenticity and possible political motivations.
  • Jillian:

    “Is it me, or is that the whitest woman on the planet?... I’m gonna guess she might think, somehow, this is gonna virtue signal to the free Palestine people.” [01:08]

  • The hosts reflect on celebrities participating in causes they may not fully understand—such as Academy Awards presenters wearing “Free Gaza” pins during an international ceasefire.
  • Jillian:

    “They were all like, ‘Free Gaza’... literally, what, like, a month into an internationally recognized ceasefire in Gaza.” [03:42]

• Mark Ruffalo’s Viral Claims

  • The team critiques Mark Ruffalo for spreading misinformation—such as sharing fake images of Trump on Epstein Island and reading an unverified story about police dogs causing fatal injuries.
  • Jillian’s humorous, critical analysis:

    “Did I just hear Mark Ruffalo read a story about a man who had his penis ripped off?... There’s no instances of that story ever being reported. A headline like that would have been everywhere.” [05:05, 06:04]

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2. The “National Divorce”—Red States vs Blue States

[08:30–13:40]

• Viral Podcast Clip Proposing a National Divorce

  • A liberal podcaster suggests the U.S. should split into red (conservative) and blue (liberal) states, predicting blue states would thrive and red states would falter.

  • Jillian pushes back, labeling the concept “impractical” and “obtuse,” and outlines the impossibility of a clean split:

    • Red and blue voters are mixed everywhere.
    • No constitutional path for secession.
    • Interdependent economies, infrastructure, and national security systems.
    • Global consequences—including collapse of the dollar and destabilization of world order.

  • Jillian:

    “It’s a controlled demolition of the most consequential force of stability that the world has ever seen. And once you blow that up, you don’t get that back.” [12:33]

  • She warns about the real-world dangers:

    “We’re told to hate our neighbors over culture and aesthetics, while the actual threats to our kids’ future are right at the gates... this country wasn’t built on perfect agreement.” [13:10]

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3. Online Harassment, DoXXing, & the Nick Shirley Case

[16:57–25:06]

• Revisiting the Reporter Assault Story

  • Discussion returns to last week’s violent incident involving a Turning Point USA reporter attacked during ICE protests. The attacker now claims to be overwhelmed by doxxing and harassment.
  • Jillian sharply rebukes attempts to claim victimhood:

    “If you’re unhappy with the consequences of your actions, don’t take those actions because your behavior was repulsive... But you, my friend, you are a despicable person.” [17:59]

  • She draws a clear moral line:

    “You don’t deserve physical violence... But you physically shoved her to the ground, and that is why you are being attacked. And you deserve it.” [18:20]

• Nick Shirley’s Death Threats

  • Investigative journalist Nick Shirley reveals he receives constant death threats, some specifying dates, after exposing fraud and criminal activity.
  • Jillian notes the ubiquitous (and often exaggerated) cry of “I get death threats,” but acknowledges the real dangers Shirley faces:

    “I think a true killer is not going to send you a message... But before this kid started breaking all of these fraud bombs... I do remember fearing for his life.” [22:37]

  • She criticizes California’s response—proposing laws that would criminalize Shirley’s work rather than protect him:

    “A kid who should be protected—can we give him a Pulitzer? And instead Gavin Newsom’s making him out to be some sort of weird pervert in memes.” [24:20]

  • The co-host highlights the crisis in independent journalism:

    “We’re fully in a digital age... we’re either going to embrace independent journalism or we’re going to live without the truth.” [25:06]

  • Jillian encourages donations to support Shirley’s security:

    “If you care about the issue at all... and you care about him at all... it is a reflection on all of our freedoms and all of our safety in this country.” [25:45]

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4. Matt Walsh & The Gay Parenting Debate

[27:40–34:13]

• Matt Walsh’s Views on Gay Parenting
  • Jillian reads and responds to inflammatory posts from commentator Matt Walsh who calls same-sex adoption “logically incoherent” and “morally insane,” equating it to impossible feats like flying and claiming children have the right to be raised only by a mother and father.
  • She highlights the escalation of rhetoric in the anti-gay parenting sphere—including Walsh comparing gay adoption to human trafficking and others to necrophilia or child dismemberment.
  • Jillian forcefully rebuts, drawing on personal and academic experience:

    “I think we can all agree that in a perfect world, every child would be raised in a stable home by a loving mother and a loving father... but for millions of kids, that ideal is nowhere near their reality.” [29:13]

  • She stresses research-based evidence that parental gender does not affect outcomes for kids—citing 79 studies reviewed by Cornell, and other major US and Dutch institutions:

    “The variable that keeps mattering is not the gender of parents. It’s stability, low conflict, financial security, consistent, present caregivers.” [31:47]

  • Jillian passionately emphasizes the humanity and intentionality of same-sex parenting:

    “A gay couple can’t have a child by accident... these are people who had to fight to become parents...” [30:45]

  • Her bottom line:

    “When you attack the legitimacy of that bond, you’re not protecting an ideal; you are unsettling a kid’s sense of home... The measure of a family has never been its composition. It’s always been its character. And if your argument is genuinely for the children, the research suggests you may be looking at the wrong variable entirely.” [33:07]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On celebrity activism:

  "Do you think she has any concept of Middle East politics? ...But there's no basis whatsoever for her saying inshallah…" – Jillian Michaels [01:14]

• On unchecked narratives:

  "Sometimes they get so, like, wound up and passionate that, I don't know, they don't do their homework." – Jillian Michaels [03:53]

• On national divorce rhetoric:

  “…it’s not a new map. It’s a controlled demolition of the most consequential force of stability that the world has ever seen. And once you blow that up, you don’t get that back.” – Jillian Michaels [12:33]

• On personal responsibility:

  "If you’re unhappy with the consequences of your actions, don’t take those actions because your behavior was repulsive." – Jillian Michaels [17:59]

• On free speech and journalism:

  “If we do not protect this... it is a reflection on all our freedoms and all of our safety in this country.” – Jillian Michaels [25:45]

• On same-sex parenting:

  “A gay couple can’t have a child by accident... The measure of a family has never been its composition. It’s always been its character.” – Jillian Michaels [33:07]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:45 – Celebrity virtue signaling: Anne Hathaway, Academy Awards activism
• 04:48 – Fact-checking Mark Ruffalo’s claims
• 08:30 – National divorce podcast clip, Jillian’s rebuttal
• 12:33 – Economic & global consequences of dividing the US
• 16:57 – Violence/doxxing in protest activism; Turning Point USA reporter case
• 21:17 – Nick Shirley recounts threats/doxxing; calls for help
• 24:20 – California policies potentially targeting journalists
• 25:45 – Jillian urges support for independent journalism
• 27:40 – Matt Walsh on gay parenting; Jillian’s passionate counterargument
• 33:07 – The science and character of family

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Final Thoughts

Jillian’s no-nonsense approach equips listeners with facts, warnings, and calls to constructive action, whether defending independent journalists, debunking media claims, or championing diverse families. She consistently advocates for dialogue grounded in evidence and compassion, not just rhetoric or outrage.
This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking thoughtful analysis of pop culture, free speech, political rhetoric, and the future of American democracy.

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Transcript

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, I've had death threats, and one of them was even very specific about the date. It's actually supposed to be coming up very soon. The date.

[Porter]

And started bawling his genitals.

[Jillian Michaels]

That's what he said. That's what he said.

[Porter]

A little overwhelming.

[Jillian Michaels]

Is it overwhelming, you monsters? Scumbag. Every week, a clip drops, the Internet explodes. Some of it's funny, some of it's infuriating, and all of it tells you something about where this country is headed. We hide from nothing on this show. So let's jump in to the weekly rundown, Keeping it Real with Jillian Michaels.

[Porter]

All right, Jillian, this one just hit. It's a new interview with Anne Hathaway. Guys, can we throw up? Sat 24.

[Jillian Michaels]

That was so low. It was very dramatic. And now I just, like, I really value the chill.

[Porter]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

I just feel like you can either fear aging or you can fear dying young. I just really want to hopefully live for and enjoy a life. I want to have a long, healthy life. Inshallah. I hope so. I feel like, by default. Inshallah. Is it me, or is that the whitest woman on the planet? What. What is her ethnicity?

[Porter]

So Anne Hathaway is European descent, including Irish, English, German, and French.

[Jillian Michaels]

All white. Okay. I don't. I don't. I. I don't sense any Arab blood in that mix. Okay, so. So. But I didn't hear any Arab countries. Okay.

[Porter]

She was also raised Roman Catholic, just

[Jillian Michaels]

also not Islam already. Is she. Is she married to an Arab?

[Porter]

She married adam Schulman in 2012.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, I'm going to make a gross generalization. Shulman sounds Jewish. And I'm gonna guess that she might think somewhere, somehow, this is gonna virtue signal to the free Palestine people. I very well could be wrong. There's no basis for this opinion of mine, but there's no basis whatsoever for her saying inshallah, which, by the me, by the way, means. And I happen to know this because my wife lived in Kuwait for two and a half years. It's Arabic for, like, God willing is pretty much what it means. But you know what this reminds me of? It also reminds me of the celebrities who don't just virtue signal, but also have no idea what they're talking about. Do you think she has any concept of Middle east politics? I'm just curious. Like, do you think she has Any idea? Like, remember when all Those celebrities in 2020 signed the defund the police petition? Do you guys remember that? Lizzo, John Legend. There was a list of them. And then all the cities that did, in fact defund the police saw their crime rates skyrocket. The same group of people who, at the 2026 Academy Awards, they were all like, had like a Gaza ceasefire thing or. No, what was it? Free Gaza or something. Do you guys remember this? And we were in the middle.

[Co-host/Producer]

Pins.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me, tell me, tell me. Because we were in the middle of an internationally recognized ceasefire, and these idiots. Don't do it, Jill. And these people are like, free Palestine. What was.

[Co-host/Producer]

Was exactly that? It was. I forgot. What award show was it?

[Jillian Michaels]

The Academy Awards.

[Co-host/Producer]

It was the Academy Awards. They wore those pins, those big up, obnoxious pins right on their chest. Free Gaza.

[Jillian Michaels]

Free Gaza. And literally, what, like, a month into an internationally recognized ceasefire in Gaza.

[Porter]

Yeah, the artist for ceasefire pins.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, we were in the middle of a ceasefire. One of my favorites is Mark Ruffalo. And you know what sucks about this is I met this guy 20 years ago, I think, when. When I was working at icm, which was a talent agency. He's a really nice guy. I just think sometimes they get so, like, wound up and passionate that, I don't know, they don't do their homework. They don't really understand what's going on because he. Remember when he posted the fake photos of Trump on Epstein island and on the Lolita Express? Do you guys remember that? And he had to walk them back. Absolutely none of it was real.

[Porter]

Yes. And, you know, he's. There's a ton of clips out there of him, you know, attacking Trump or just being slightly in informed on these subject matters. And we actually have a clip for you of Mark. Guys, can we stop?

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay.

[Porter]

They unleashed police dogs on us again, allowing them to tear into our flesh. One dog attack, three. Fellow detainee, 45 years old, and started mauling his genitals.

[Jillian Michaels]

His penis.

[Porter]

He bled in my arms.

[Jillian Michaels]

Hold on. Did I just hear Mark Ruffalo read a story about a man who had his penis ripped off? Are we gonna get flagged by that for that word, by the way, if we are a double whammy. You're telling me that a dog ripped off a man's penis and he bled to death in someone's arms?

[Co-host/Producer]

Fletcher is not telling you that.

[Jillian Michaels]

Wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. Let's just. Let's suspend our disbelief for a second. Is there like a Main artery there. Can you bleed to death if your penis gets ripped off? It's not the femoral artery.

[Porter]

I believe you can.

[Jillian Michaels]

You can bleed to death if you lose your penis.

[Porter]

Well, Jillian, I may be wrong, but I cannot find any stuff that proves what he's saying is true about a police dog attacking a man's penis.

[Co-host/Producer]

Oh, that story is widely unconfirmed. Yeah, I dug deep into that one. There's no instances of. Of that story ever being reported. And honestly, Jillian, a story like that, a headline like that, with all the words that are going to get you banned and all the words that are going to get you censored, that would have been everywhere. Okay? Dog attacks and kills man by ripping off his.

[Jillian Michaels]

That way his male member.

[Co-host/Producer]

That would have been everywhere. And it is nowhere.

[Porter]

And started all in his genitals.

[Jillian Michaels]

That's what he said. That's what he said. What is the practicality of this claim? Like, outside of the fact that it's horrific and insane? It would be splattered all over the news. No pun intended. Does it really, like, does it really bear out when you fact check? Like, does it. What are the. What is the reality of that being, you know, medically possible? There's a cop there. Maybe this actually is a scene from a new screenplay that he's writing. It is in like a little, like a little plastic thing there in his thing. I don't think a scratch.

[Porter]

That's not, I hope that's not in the new Avengers movie.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Co-host/Producer]

Another clip from the oversaturated world of liberal podcasters. This one, Jillian, it raised my eyebrows. I think it's going to raise yours as well, team. Slot 11, right?

[Guest Speaker]

We should probably have a national divorce. There should be the red States of America and the blue States of America and we can run that experiment. We'll come check back in in a hundred years and see what's going on. And what everybody will find is what we already know, which is the blue states would have universal health care and free college and a living wage. They'd have much higher standard of living, their GDP would be much higher. Their social freedom index would be through the roof. They'd be much more democratic, they'd be much more peaceful and, and stable of a system. And then the red states will be a catastrophe. Okay, this is why, you know, every anytime do do a little exercise, come up with some sort of social metric, right? And then see who does better on that. Red states or blue states. And it's a fun game because you ain't gonna find the red states leading in, okay? I mean like quite literally anything you can come up with. I mean even like the blue states are massive net taxpayers to the federal government. They're, the red states are net tax receivers. And these are the people who whine and cry and moan and say I don't want no parasites, no moochers taking my tax money, man. And it's like, well, the blue states are subsidizing all your bitch asses social freedoms.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay? I know this guy is thinking, he's talking about gay marriage, but the reality is California is trying to take away first amendment rights for investigative journalists. Does that sound free? I don't think you're looking at the first amendment, the second Amendment because all the blue states are working to undo those two things. I mean that off the top I can tell you for a fact that cost of living, I mean I'm positive I'm right about this one. Porter, correct me if I'm wrong, it's far more affordable and you'll have greater economic mobility in red states. There is a reason that there is an a massive outmigration from blue states to red states. Rent, home prices, gasoline, cost of food. I know, I'm not getting it wrong there. I don't know where this socialist utopia exists for this guy because it isn't like it hasn't been tried to, tested, and failed over and over again. But I would simply say the states that they're trying that in have a massive budget deficit. And now you have Hochul begging rich people to come back after she told them to piss off. But the bigger problem is the national divorce conversation, and that's where he is horribly obtuse. So go ahead and take a whack at me here. What did I get right and what did I get wrong?

[Co-host/Producer]

I think there's a lot of truth there, Jillian, and I think you're 100 correct to identify the calls for a national divorce as the main. The main takeaway here. And also, you know, I. When rhetoric like that gains steam online, it can become so toxic and spread so fast, a national divorce is by all means impractical. I mean, there is virtually no way there. Here are some bullets for you. Let's just. Let's just go down the line.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Producer]

There is absolutely no clean split to a national divorce. Red and blue voters are mixed in every single state. That's number one.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah. I didn't even think about the actual semantics. Like, what do you do?

[Co-host/Producer]

This is a bunch of semantics for you. There is no legal path to a national divorce. There's no constitutional path. Secession is not allowed. So obviously, those are two things right there that just slammed the door shut on this argument. The economy is intertwined. Supply, change, jobs, trade, all cross state lines. Infrastructure overlap. Highways, power grids, and waterways can't be mainly divided. What about security risks? Military, intelligence and nuclear systems are all fully integrated. That kind of points to a very clear path forward. Unity is the easiest answer, and it sounds cliche, but it's true.

[Jillian Michaels]

Well, it is the. You're absolutely right. I. Look, I get it right. Half the country looks at the other half of the country and feels something close to revulsion, which is extremely upsetting. But let's be clear about what a national divorce actually means. Right? It's not. You just said it. It's not clean paperwork. It's not a new map. It's a controlled demolition of the most consequential force of stability that the world has ever seen. And once you blow that up, you don't get that back. I mean, everything you said, Porter, is spot on. The dollar is the world's reserve currency because global markets rest on one assumption, that the United States is indestructible. You break that assumption, and the dollar doesn't just weaken, it absolutely collapses. Savings wipe out, food prices spike. You got a global depression that will topple Governments. Think about the power vacuum that that would. That would open the nations waiting to fill that void. They're not democracies. Does this guy think that China is? And Russia and Iran and North Korea, Are those the better options? Because you hand them the global order without a single shot fired in the event of a national divorce. And that's the point. They don't need to defeat us. That's why they have like millions of bots out there stoking your exact kind of division. So that divided we will fall. They want us to defeat ourselves. That's the bottom line. I mean, we're told to hate our neighbors over culture and aesthetics, while the actual threats to our kids future are right at the gates. I don't know. I. I think you're spot on, Porter. My. My call is not for agreement, but for clarity. Our differences, however real they may be, exist inside of a framework that's held for 250 years and has been the last leg line of defense for a free world. You. You break this and you don't get two thriving nations. You get two weakened territories in a world that becomes instantly dangerous for everyone. It's really. It is time we stop seeing each other as enemies. Because we are each other's only option. This country wasn't built on a perfect agreement. It was built on the radical idea that people who fiercely disagree can still choose every single day to hold it together. Dude, that choice is still ours. You know, what we have is broken, and it's maddening, but it remains the most powerful instrument for human freedom ever assembled. And the only people who can destroy it are us. So stop giving the bad guys satisfaction. For clicks, no less. You did great on that one, Porter. Well researched. Thank you. I believe that in order for people to live healthier, sleep is the foundation. Right. It impacts everything from mood, stamina, brain power, and so much more. Which is why, honestly, I could not be more impressed with my Aurora luxe mattress from Brooklyn Bedding. It's not just comfortable, it's intentionally built for restorative sleep. Brooklyn Bedding designs and assembles every mattress right in Arizona. There's no middleman, just top quality and honest pricing. Best it's not a one size fits all. They offer mattresses for everybody, every sleep style, even in hard to find sizes. Brooklyn Bedding uses Glaciotex covers and temperature regulating materials to help you keep cool and comfortable all night. And it's one of the few mattress brands endorsed by the American Chiropractic association for spinal alignment and back health and Some of you guys may know I've had a spinal injury. So it's an absolute game changer. Now they offer an amazing 120 night comfort. Love it. Or they'll help you return or swap it hassle free. So no wonder these guys have been awarded the best mattress by CNET and best hybrid mattress by Wirecutter. Just go to BrooklynBedding.com and use my promo code Jillian at checkout to get 30% off site wide. Pretty good. This offer is not available anywhere else. I love this game. It literally is like a slot machine. You, you just pull and I never know what I'm going to get out of you too. I never know like bitten off penises. I just.

[Porter]

Well, Jillian, so this one actually goes back to last week. Last week we did the story on the Turning Point USA reporter that was attacked by that people protesting ice. Well, the attacker actually was interviewed and he's sounds like he's trying to switch the narrative. So guys, can we throw up? Sat 25 maybe you guys do get doxed, but I don't know if you guys are getting the same type of stuff that we're getting. And it's non stop. It's hundreds of phone calls a day. It's text messages and them trying to get into all of our social media accounts and contacting our friends, our neighbors, our family. The rest of our family is getting doxed as well. It's not just us, it's, it's my sons, their wives. Like people had nothing to do with anything. It's, it's a little overwhelming. And, and, and I guess even living in this country, to be honest, is it overwhelming?

[Jillian Michaels]

Monsters come back. Like maybe when you shoved a woman that was a hundred pounds soaking wet, do you think she felt overwhelmed? How dare this guy turn around and try to play the victim. How dare, Dare you, dude. If you're unhappy with the consequences of your actions, don't take those actions because your behavior was repulsive and it was reprehensible and people are outraged and thank God, thank God they're outraged because honestly, you're worried about living in this country. I'm worried about living in a country where people would donate to your GoFundMe. It is one thing to have an opinion about ice. It is one thing to disagree obviously with other citizens that share the same country as you. You're absolutely allowed to do that. You're allowed to be mad. You're allowed to scream and yell. You're allowed to say what you want. But you physically shoved her to the Ground. And that is why you are being attacked. And you deserve it. What you don't deserve. And I'll be fair. What you don't deserve. You don't deserve physical violence. Absolutely not. We all know this. Physical violence is not okay. Taking the law into our own hands is not okay. Going after family members is not okay. Don't go after the family members. Please, please, please, for the love of God, don't do it. People have done it to my kids. People have done it to my wife, and it is really a gross thing to do. Don't do it. You know, as I've. It's like, you don't. There is no guilt by association. But you, my friend, you are a despicable person. And I'm glad you're seeing how outraged people are at how despicable and disgusting your behavior is.

[Porter]

So, Jillian, he actually was on a podcast called Pushing the Limits with Brian Shapiro.

[Co-host/Producer]

That's appropriate.

[Porter]

And quote, he said, we are absolutely not violent people. In fact, we tend to shy away from it.

[Jillian Michaels]

If you. If you cannot believe your own eyes, then I. I don't know where we go from here. You can be so far down the rabbit hole that you're like, well, she deserved it. You know, I've seen that. Oh, she's an agitator. Like, wow, really? She deserves this. Goomba. Shoving her forcefully to the ground and inciting group violence. They were all attacking her, and he just fueled that fire. You realize the guy had to stop him, right? Remember when he was like, stop, stop, stop. This is. You know, you're going to be charged. This is being recorded. He was coming at her still. He was going for her when the guy who I think was with her, I'm not sure who that was, that stopped it. We could play it again, but he was going towards her to inflict more harm. Up. It's over. It's documented. She'll get charged. I don't know. Doesn't look like you're shying away from violence there. You need to go to jail, dude. That's where you need to go. And then you won't have to worry about people breaking into your social media accounts.

[Co-host/Producer]

This Nick Shirley thing is.

[Jillian Michaels]

I.

[Co-host/Producer]

We have to talk about this. Did you see he said that his assassination date is coming up.

[Nick Shirley]

What injury's real. Like, for instance, last time I was in California, a few trips back, people were trying to dox my location live. I was at a hotel and people were up on Reddit group chat saying where I was staying. And it's happened A few times now. So it's like, almost even dangerous for me to go stay at hotels because you can get doxxed really quick and people come and find out where you're at. You get constant death threats from people. The fraudsters are angry. In fact, yeah, they're very angry. I've had death threats, and one of them was even very specific about the date. It's actually supposed to be coming up very soon. The date that they said they'd kill me. So that was interesting.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know what's crazy? I don't even want to say this out loud, but it is what's. What's in my heart and in my head. You hear, like, I get death threats. I get death threats. I get death threats. Everybody gets death threats. You know, I highly doubt everybody does, but there are definitely people on both sides of the aisle that are a bit more flagrant. I guess inflammatory is the word I should be using. I get them less now that I control the comments on my social media and things like that. However, usually I don't take them too seriously. You know, you're like, okay, I know somebody, like, spewing their vitriol online. I think a true killer is not going to send you a message. You know, Tyler Robinson did not send a message to Charlie Kirk. Hey, this is the day. FYI. I don't think that that's. I know nothing about this. I certainly don't work for the FBI. But it just seems as though the majority of those death threats that telegraph a date are unserious. But before this kid started breaking all of these fraud bombs in Minneapolis in particular, I do remember fearing for his life, Porter. I remember thinking, someone's gonna hurt him because he would go on the streets and he would bust people who were selling, like, fake goods and who were here illegally and who were kind of taking over blocks in New York. And I remember thinking, someone is going to hurt this kid. I am worried for this kid, who is his mom,

[Co-host/Producer]

which is Nick Shirley was born in 2002. Okay, I can call him a kid. 2002. He is 24 years old. He is expressing that it is now difficult for him to stay in hotels. Yeah, hotels. You're thinking, think about a hotel door, a heavy hotel door with the two bolt locks and then the little hook lock. You feel safe as anything behind one of those doors. And this kid, he's rolling around completely unprotected with no security, getting threats on every platform, every hour of every day, and they want to put a bill out that would actually Criminalize the work that he's doing as opposed to reinforcing the protection that he so desperately needs.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, that's California, though. I see that as the difference between Democrat and Republican. A kid who should be protected, a kid who should probably receive some sort of journalism award. Can we give him a Pulitzer? Would that be applicable? What reward does that kid get for doing the work that he's doing?

[Co-host/Producer]

He should punish Jillian.

[Jillian Michaels]

Right. Like, and instead Gavin Newsom's making him out to be some sort of weird pervert in memes. They are trying to criminalize the work that he's doing. And then of course, that has ramifications for the rest of us. And what's scary is this kid is telling us, I fear for my life, I fear for my life. And we're like, oh, that's terrible. But no one's really doing anything about it, are they?

[Co-host/Producer]

No, it's 100% right. I mean, he's, he's outwardly crying out for help here. And every act that involves his name is actually working against what he's doing. I mean, in a nutshell, Gillian, mainstream media is dead. No 20 something year olds are watching cable news. We are fully in a digital age. We're at a point here where we're either going to embrace independent journalism or we're going to live without the truth. It really is that black and white at this point. That's it. Nick Shirley has no boss. He is his own news director. This kid has found a story with legs and he goes all in. He's giving us the truth that no network ever would.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Porter]

All right, Gillian, I really want to show you some of these posts by Matt Walsh. I'm going to walk you through a few of them. Just so just hang tight on this one. So first one, guys, can we throw up graphic too? So I'm going to read this to you real quick. Matt Walsh said that gay surrogacy and gay adoption are predicted on the idea that gay men or women have a right to become parents. This idea is not only morally insane, but also logically incoherent. It's exactly like jumping off a building and claiming that you have the right to fly. Nobody has the right to defy the laws of nature. Where would such a right even originate? Two men cannot be parents. It's impossible. It doesn't matter how they feel or what they want. It cannot be. The only right at issue here is the right of the child. And the child has the right to be raised by a mother and a father, not two men masquerading as a mother or father. Yeah, so.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, so don't. There's more.

[Porter]

So what really stood out to me was that ending where he has talks about the right of a child. And you know, some other people were responding to that. Guys, can we throw up? Graphic 3 so he wanted to clear the air. He said, I've ranted about this consistently. That even made my Wikipedia article. And I'm going to read you a little section of his Wikipedia article. Walsh opposes same sex parenting and adoption. He has argued that it would be better for a child to grow up with a missing arm than with same sex parents and described it as human trafficking and a mad scientist horror.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know what's crazy is when I enter into these debates, the examples that get drawn upon. In my previous debate over gay marriage with Matt Wall, she mentioned incest. And in the one that came after that with Andrew Wilson, I think he mentioned he likened gay marriage or gay relationships to necrophilia. I'm not kidding for anybody who missed those shows. And I handled it. I was just like. I was like, you know what? I'm so grateful they showed up for the conversation. I'm constantly looking to find common ground. I never want to attack a guest, ever. I actually like Andrew Wilson and I found common ground with both him and Matt Walsh. But when you compare gay people raising kids to dismemberment and child trafficking, I think you've lost touch with reality completely. Look, I think we can all agree that in a perfect world, every child would be raised in a stable home by a loving mother and a loving father. And that is a beautiful ideal. But for millions of kids, that ideal is nowhere near their reality. I mean, I don't know about you, but I've known plenty of parents who were absent or addicted or abusive and they were straight. Biological configuration doesn't guarantee love. It doesn't guarantee safety. It doesn't guarantee that someone's going to show up year after year and choose that kid. Character does sacrifice, does presence does that. And here's something worth sitting with, okay? A gay couple can't have a child by accident. Every child in that home was planned for and prepared for and wanted. Often after years of grueling, expensive processes. Adoption, paperwork, ivf, surrogacy. These aren't impulsive parents. These are. We are people who had to fight to become parents. And I get what Walsh is saying, right? In ethics, you look for a victim and the victim is the kid. But the research doesn't reflect that, Matt. It doesn't reflect that that's the case in loving homes with same sex families. Cornell reviewed 79 scholarly studies. Okay, 75 of them reached the same conclusion. There's no worse outcomes for children of same sex parents. There was another one. I think it was Stanford. And they tracked like, somewhere, I don't know, like 30. Somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 kids using census data. And there was no meaningful difference in school progress. There was another one in 2019, like the American Economic Association. It was a study out of the Netherlands, and it found that children of same sex couples actually performed slightly better in both primary and secondary education. The APA and the Academy of Pediatrics have both reviewed the full body of evidence and They've landed in the same place. And the variable that keeps mattering is not the gender of parents. It's stability, low conflict, financial security, consistent, present caregivers. That's what child development science actually measures. And right now, there are kids in foster care who've never had a permanent home. There are kids in orphanages around the world who live in conditions that most of us can't imagine. So to say that when a stable, committed household is available to a child like that, when someone is willing to fight to bring that child home and show up every single day, the honest question is not who's doing the loving, it's whether the love is real. And if we actually believe in family, okay, not just the word, but what it does, then you have to measure it by its fruits, which is loyalty and sacrifice and long term commitment. A kid that feels safe, those are the things that build a human being. And to the kids inside those homes, by the way, their parents aren't a cultural debate, okay? They're mom and dad or whatever the kids call them, and the people who keep the lights on and the people who show up when things get hard. So when you attack the legitimacy of that bond, you are not protecting an ideal. You are unsettling a kid's sense of home. And what they need from us is not more noise. It's the basic dignity of being left alone to be a free family. The measure of a family has never been its composition. It's always been its character. And if your argument is genuinely for the children, the research suggests that you may be looking at the wrong variable entirely. Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like comment, subscribe and share. And make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.

[Co-host/Producer]

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