Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels

Episode: MASSIVE FRAUD IN MINNESOTA! Will This Be THE Changing of the Tide?!
Date: November 25, 2025
Host: Jillian Michaels
Guest: Carl Higbee (Former Navy SEAL, Author, Host of Newsmax’s Carl Higby Frontline)

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode navigates highly charged discussions around America’s cultural integration, parallel authority systems, and concerns about national security and values, with a focus on the recent Texas decision to label CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood as terrorist and transnational criminal organizations. It dives deep into questions of Islam, assimilation, governance, and threats to the constitutional foundation of the United States, while also reflecting on cross-cultural lessons from Europe and personal discipline from military service. Additional segments cover the rise of radical voices like Nick Fuentes, social dynamics, and current controversies including the Thomas Crooks case.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Texas’ Terrorist Organization Designation (00:14–06:05)

• Background: Texas has labeled the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR as terrorist/criminal organizations, granting the state power to ban land purchases, increase surveillance, scrutinize assets, and restrict contracts.
• Jillian: Raises concern about the line between justified defense and Islamophobia; notes her own shift in perception over the years.
• Carl: "CAIR is the tuxedo side of the Muslim Brotherhood." (00:28) Argues that, in majority, Islam would erode constitutional rights.
  • Sees CAIR as a political shield and the Brotherhood as the ideological source.
  • Draws on his experiences in Iraq, warning about “the militant side of Islam.”
• Counterpoint: Civil rights lawyer Hassan insists on distinguishing threats from generalizations and emphasizes the importance of religious freedoms. (03:51–04:56)

2. Sharia Law, Assimilation, and Parallel Societies (06:05–23:26)

• Sharia Courts in the US & Europe: Carl claims their existence in Texas and the UK indicate growing parallel systems.
• Dearborn, Michigan Reporting: Shared journalist testimony describes intimidation and insufficient police protection for non-Muslims and journalists. (07:07–09:45)
• Jillian: Admits discomfort, but insists the conversation is necessary: "We have to talk about this stuff." (10:42)
• Carl: Asserts incompatibility of Islamic governance with US constitutional values. Points to increased influence, non-assimilation, and rising calls to prayer and signage in Arabic in US towns.

3. Cultural Clashes & Immigration in Europe (21:03–34:10)

• Jillian: Observes European resistance to Islamic cultural imposition, citing examples from Italy and England.
• Carl: Proposes that some elements of Islam act as political ideology under the guise of religion, prompting conflict over religious freedom boundaries.
• Statistical Overviews: Jillian highlights social support and demographic statistics from the UK, suggesting high Muslim dependence on state welfare and the rise of Sharia courts/councils. (32:52–34:07)

4. Self-Hating Liberalism & Political Incentives (36:28–38:28)

• Carl: Attributes the political left’s support for immigration and accommodation to "self-hating liberalism" and a "currency of grievances," especially among white liberals.
• Jillian: Digs into the apparent contradictions of liberal-supporting politicians who nonetheless resist the practical impact of mass migration in their communities (e.g., Martha’s Vineyard).

5. Intersecting Cultures and the Parallels with Radical Movements (27:01–29:48)

• Carl: Draws parallels between radical factions in Islam and fringe elements in LGBTQ+ activism—suggesting that the mainstream movements are overrun by radicals using the same victimhood narrative.
• Jillian: Expresses personal conflicts and observations about the evolution of Pride and other activist events.

6. Muslim Brotherhood & CAIR – Role and Influence (17:07–18:43)

• Carl: "CAIR is the tuxedo side of the Muslim Brotherhood... they’re pushing an integration and a normalization of a lot of things that run contradictory to our constitutional values." (17:33)
• Importance of Assimilation: Criticizes contemporary immigrant sentiment that resists assimilation, contrasting it with historical expectations.

7. Immigration, Demographics, and ‘Replacement’ Concerns (39:34–42:30)

• Birth Rates & Replacement: Jillian queries rising concerns about demographic shifts and ‘Great Replacement’ rhetoric, once a fringe theory but now increasingly mainstream in some circles. Plays a British clip, sparking further alarm.
• Carl: Notes that small radical groups can effect outsized change, and that mainstream Muslims, while moderate, might side with radicals if Islam ever becomes a majority.

8. US Military, Hardship, and the Decline of Discipline (51:54–61:09)

• Carl’s Motivation: Joined the military after 9/11 out of patriotic drive.
• SEAL Training Details: Shares grueling details of SEAL “Hell Week,” emphasizing mental toughness and stoic endurance over brute athleticism.
  • "Do something that sucks every day... It makes you appreciate comfort." (86:14)
• Jillian: Links Carl’s military lessons to societal “softness” and lack of resilience.

9. Failures of Modern Masculinity & The Rise of Nick Fuentes (61:16–72:15)

• Loss of Male Role Models: Carl says many boys are raised largely by women, have no fathers, and miss out on the toughening influence of older male mentors.
  • "If you father a kid, that is your job. That is the one mission that you were put on this planet to finish." (65:26)
• Radicalization Risk: Argues that over-feminization, excess discipline, and social justice rhetoric create a backlash, sending alienated boys to extreme voices like Nick Fuentes.
  • “Kids want to resist and fight back, but they didn’t know how. And they quietly navigated into people like Nick Fuentes.” (71:00)
• Jillian: Concerned about her own son and others being drawn in, underscores the need for “sane” male role models.

10. The Thomas Crooks Case and Government Transparency (78:56–86:00)

• Carl’s Questions: Raises doubts about the recent attempted assassination of Trump by Thomas Crooks:
  • "Why did he have three encrypted cell phones?" (86:00)
  • Points to incompetence or malpractice in security (roof access), possible government secrecy (evidence handling), and media irregularities (CNN’s coincidental exclusive coverage).
• Jillian: Notes oddities like financial trading linked to Trump’s media company and Crooks’ personal oddities (fetishes, online interests).

11. Actionable Advice for Listeners (86:14–86:36)

• 1. Personal Grit: “Do something that sucks every day.”
• 2. Rethink Foreign Aid: Focus on American interests and internal well-being.
• 3. Self-Reliance: Emphasis on hardship as a unifying and character-building force.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Carl Higbee on CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood:
  “CAIR is the tuxedo side of the Muslim Brotherhood. If Islam were to march in here today and it became a majority of this country, we would lose our constitutional rights.” (00:28)

• Jillian Michaels on Political Discomfort:
  “It's … oh God, how do we have this conversation without it being like, ah, see, she's … alt right now I get to own Islamophobe. ...But at the end of the day I'm like, we have to talk about this stuff.” (10:42)

• Carl Higbee on Assimilation:
  “His people in Dearborn, Michigan, should not assimilate. They should bring their values here, which is totally different. ...antithetical from the immigration customs we’ve seen in America for the last 250 years.” (17:33)

• Jillian Michaels comparing global norms:
  “Foreigners can't buy land in these countries... And when you investigate into why, because they want to preserve their culture, their religion, and their way of life.” (21:03)

• Carl Higbee on Hardship:
  “If you want to make your life better quality, do something that sucks every day. Like go to the gym and make it hurt.” (86:14)

• On radicalization of youth:
  “Kids, you know, kids are kids. … [They] quietly navigated into people like Nick Fuentes. And that's the danger … by trying to keep kids from being kids.” (71:00)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Texas Terrorist Organization Designation: 00:14–06:05
• Debate Clip & CAIR/Muslim Brotherhood Discussion: 03:51–06:05
• Journalist in Dearborn Testimony: 07:07–09:45
• Sharia Law and Courts in US/UK: 10:15–23:26
• European Immigration and Cultural Clashes: 21:03–34:10
• Discussion on Demographics and Great Replacement: 39:34–42:30
• Carl’s Military Motivation and SEAL Training: 51:54–61:09
• Decline of Male Role Models / Youth Radicalization: 61:16–72:15
• Thomas Crooks/Assassination Attempt Theories: 78:56–86:00
• Carl’s Three Takeaways for Listeners: 86:14–86:36

Final Thoughts

The episode brings hard-hitting, often controversial perspectives on current events, ideological clashes, and changes in American society. Carl Higbee uses personal experience and unapologetic candor to challenge prevailing narratives on integration, security, and masculinity, while Jillian Michaels explores her own evolution on these issues, striving for honest, actionable discussion. The show closes with a call for personal fortitude and greater focus on American self-interest.

This summary was curated to reflect the intricate details, tone, and range of topics as discussed by Jillian Michaels and Carl Higbee. For further context, please refer to the respective timestamps in the episode transcript.