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Missing Scientists, Nonhuman Biologics: What Trump’s Declassified UAP Files Will Reveal
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Come experience the kind of stillness that stays with you long after you leave. Plan your Scottish escape today@expedia.com visitscotland unless you've been living under a rock, I'm sure you're well aware of the missing scientists who are connected to some of America's most sensitive aerospace, defense and advanced research programs. They've either been quite literally killed or they have vanished under mysterious and unexplained circumstances. At the same time, you've got members of Congress going on legacy media talking to us about hybrid breeding programs between human beings and non human intelligence. The US Military has told us that there are aliens living at the bottom of the ocean. The President of the United States is in the process of declassifying all of this. And if it feels totally insane and unhinged to you, you are not alone. So I have reached out to Luis Elizondo, who is now a personal friend. He is a former Pentagon employee whistleblower. He headed up the AATIP program, which is the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. And he's coming on with me right now to break all of this down. So before we jump into it, if you could do me a huge favor and like share, comment, and subscribe. It helps us a ton with the algorithm, and I got a feeling that this episode is going to need a little help to push past the algorithm.
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Here we go.
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Keeping it real with Jillian Michaels. First of all, Lou, how are you? Are you. Are you okay? I'm actually dead ass Serious. Are you okay?
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I mean, that's a loaded question. Jillian, first of all, thank you so much for having me. It's always a wonderful honor and privilege to be with you. You know, it's always wonderful having these types of conversations. I' doing pretty good, you know, nothing that a good psychotherapist can't fix, right? So they say. No, physically, mentally, I'm doing quite well. There's I did. I was involved in a near fatal motorcycle accident about two months ago where they flew me to shock trauma by helicopter. And I had less than a 50% chance of survival, believe it or not, so. Had a punctured lung, severed spleen. They had to do an emergency surgery to remove the spleen. Traumatic brain injury, either 32 or 35, cranial and skull fractures, detached retina. So I, I got beat up pretty bad. But look, the bottom line is I'm here, I'm alive, I'm good. So I am not going to complain whatsoever. As far as the other stuff, you know, regarding the. The UAP topic, it's been a little dicey for some folks, I'm not gonna lie. Several years ago, I was warned by certain people to be very careful what I say. Some of those individuals, now, as you probably know, some of those individuals who had a chance to either work with or know are now missing or unfortunately dead. And so there is an ongoing FBI investigation, full field investigation into this. There is a reason why I live where I live with five German Shepherds, and I'm heavily armed. You know, maybe it's. Call it paranoia if you want, but, you know, there's an old saying, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you. So. But I'm doing well. I'm doing quite well. And, you know, I'm. I'm. I'm very happy, very content, especially with where we are right now in the conversation regarding disclosure. There's a lot happening behind the scenes that I think, frankly, your audience may be very surprised to hear.
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Well, I've got to be honest, this is the craziest set of questions I've ever put together for any interview. And if it was any other moment in time throughout history, this would be effectively the end of both of our careers. But in fact, we're just commenting on what's going on in Congress, what's going on with our president, and what's going on in the mainstream media, which feels insane. So I want to get to the missing scientists. But before we do, I need to show you this clip of Congressman Tim Burchett on Newsmax. I'm not going to say another word. Team sought to please former colleague of
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yours, Matt Gaetz, making some pretty shocking statements yesterday about aliens. Take a look. I had someone come and brief me who was in a military uniform, worked for the United States army, that was briefing me on the locations of hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens were breeding with humans to create some hybrid Race that could engage in intergalactic communication. Aliens that were living. Were enforced breeding programs with humans that had been abducted from war zones and from even the caravans of migrants. All right. I mean, you know, we don't. I don't have the tinfoil hat on just yet, Congressman, but I'm wondering, you know, kind of how you react to that, because you are connected. You're on the UFO Subcommittee. I mean, I'm just wondering what you make of that. Have you heard anything like that? Well, I'm still a member of Congress, so I can't really comment too much on what Matt said. But I will say this. Wait, seriously, are you being serious, or is that being 100% serious? I've been 100% serious. I've been briefed by just about every Alphabet agency there is. And I just tell you this. If they would release the things that I've seen, you would stay up. You'd be up at night worrying about or thinking about this stuff. We just need to disclose it all. I'm sick of it. You're. Well, I was. I was brief. I'll just tell you this. I was brief last week on an issue. Excuse me, two weeks ago. And it would have set the Earth. This, this country would have come unglued. I think if they would have heard all that I heard, they would. They would demand answers.
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Okay, so where do we start? Should we start with an alien hybrid breeding program where they're capturing caravans of immigrants and forcing them into this? Or should we start with the fact that a congressman who is well respected thinks that if this is fully disclosed, it's going to set the country on fire? I'm going to hand this one over to you here. I'm speechless.
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Sure. Well, first of all, I've had the privilege of speaking to Representative Tim Burchett and his colleagues, and what he's saying regarding access to very sensitive information. He's absolutely correct. Some of the people that briefed those individuals, I personally know, they were colleagues of mine, mind, back in the day. He's absolutely correct that some of the population, I think, would probably be potentially concerned about what. How much we. We know about this topic. And for several reasons. We can. We can go into that. Now, as far as this, this notion of. Of alien cross breeding and hybridization. Let me just preface this. When I was in the Pentagon at atip, I was a nuts and bolts kind of guy. So really, airframe, air integrity, the material science and propulsion behind the vehicles themselves, not so much the. The occupants, but what What Gates is referring to is something called in, in the vernacular, it's known throughout kind of the UFO community as my labs. And what it, what it suggests is that there's been a long standing agreement or understanding between us and our friends from out of town that have allowed us to work with whoever, whatever these are, in a cooperative agreement. And in exchange for that, supposedly they would have access to certain human specimens biologically in order to test. I have to say, first and foremost, I heard about that while I was at the Pentagon. I was not privy to the specifics of that. From my understanding that relationship began, if it is true, began sometime in the, in the 1950s and has continued. I have met several individuals, former intelligence officers for the Air Force and, and other services who swear by it, who actually say they've had encounters with, with UAP and have seen military personnel in and around the vehicles as if, you know, very nonchalant, as if it was supposed to be, you know, I have to be careful with going into any type of speculation about hybridization or any type of scientific study or research because again, that was not my forte. But what I will say is I've had plenty of individuals tell me verbatim that the military is far more. Military industrial complex is far more involved in this topic than anyone really knows. There are, there are cases which seem rather interesting where you have in some cases UAP potentially being escorted by American fighter jets and allied fighter jets. So that would, that would give you some sense of cooperation maybe between, between us and whatever they are. I can't tell you for certain because simply I, I wasn't privy to, to that if that indeed existed. But I will also say it's really not that far of a stretch if we were to come into contact with, let's say, just another nation. Right? So let's look at it this way from a real perspective. There are tribes right now that are isolated in the Amazon and also in the South Pacific. And we have these no go zones. Basically. We're not going to interfere with these indigenous people and their development because they've never had outside exposure, they haven't been exposed to recent diseases and things like that. And it could cause a significant problem for them. But once one culture decides to engage another culture here on Earth, right. Forget about out there. Just right here you have an exchange of ideas, you have agreements between the different peoples. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. You can go back and look at the Conquistadors during their La Reconquista or the Reconquering where their interaction with indigenous people didn't go so well. Right. Same here in the United States where we maybe did some things that we probably shouldn't have towards, towards indigenous people. In other cases, it was a little bit more symbiotic. So let's get back to the question you're having specifically about hybrids and alien hybrids. I don't know. I do know that there are people out there that swear by it. There are people that have been in the military and intelligence officials that have told me it, that I've no reason to question their credibility. They've never lied to me, certainly. But I don't have firsthand knowledge of that, of hybridization or forced hybridization. And if that is the case, then I think Representative Burchette is absolutely correct. Because if now we have. If it's true that there's a scenario where we have elements of the American government wittingly cooperating with something else and allowing human beings to be against their own will. Right. Be taken. Well, for me, from my perspective, when I was a, When I was a special agent, that's called kidnapping, right? That's a felony offense. And then if they are touched in any way, right. It's. That's called assault. Right. So there's, There's a lot of, A lot of issues here that legally, fundamentally I think we would have a problem with. Then you have the other information that I know Representative Burchette has had access to, along with some of his other colleagues like Luna and Burleson, that could be very disturbing because it shows that maybe we have been a little bit more complicit with this topic than we have previously stated. Keep in mind, we spent decades saying. Nothing to see here, folks. It's not real. This is not, you know, this is silly. Turns out we were spending a lot of taxpayer money, a lot of your money, actually researching this topic. And I was part of that effort and so were many of my colleagues. And it turns out that, you know, there are things that go bump in the night and that can be very disturbing for some people, especially from a philosophical perspective or a theological perspective and even a psychological perspective.
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Okay, so two things jump out at me right away that make me struggle with this. Number one, genetically, how in the world could you possibly sync up humanity and whatever this non intelligence may be? It'd be like crossbreeding us with a dog, I imagine. And a dog has evolved on Earth. It doesn't make sense. Lou, how would that even be possible?
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No, that's a great question. In fact, we've already done it before with other things. We've actually crossbred rats and their DNA with jellyfish and now these rats glow. There's bioluminescence. Imagine that, a glowing rat. Right. Or a glowing sheep. So we've already done that. Actually, from a scientific perspective, it's not that hard. And frankly, when you look at the genetics, I think we share something like 90% 90 of our DNA with a banana. Right. So it's, it's not really that far off. We are already cross breeding to bring animals back from extinction, like the dire wolf. Right. So we are, we are well beyond that. Can we take DNA from something else and mix it with human DNA? Yes, it can be done. We've already done it with animals and, and that's common knowledge. Anybody can get on a search engine and type in, you know, glow in the dark rats or glow in the dark sheep and you will see where we have crossbred jellyfish DNA with, with mammalian DNA. And I suspect in China they've gone much, much further than that. There are ethical issues with it, but I think scientifically, when you're saying how do we cross breed? It can be done. And I'll also suggest something else very interesting you said, because Jillian, I think it's a really important question you're asking here. How is it, how can you take DNA that is terrestrial here from Earth and find you can argue the fact that maybe jellyfish are from Earth and so therefore there's some similarity, something completely not, not human. But we don't know that. It is possible that there is some sort of linkage there. Maybe either in their distant history, in our past, where these things are not so dissimilar. Look, they've been reported for having bilateral symmetry, having two arms, two legs, two, I, I mean, very similar to, to humanoid type, type morphology. That suggests a lot of things. Either A, the human form is very, very common in the cosmos, or B, that there is a common link somewhere between human beings and potentially higher primates and whatever, whoever these are. And if you go down that logic trail, then you have to ask a question that maybe our friends from out of town aren't really from outer space at all. Maybe they're from right here. Maybe they are from under our oceans. Maybe these things are just as natural to, to, to Earth as we are. But we're now at the point technologically where we can actually begin to interact with them. So that's another potential.
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Okay, and that does make sense because for most of my life, when contemplating whether or not these creatures could be real. Because, you know, you and I have talked about how as a kid I saw the gray on Whitley Strieber's book Communion scared the hell out of me. And I talked myself out of it because I was like a creature from another planet. Couldn't. The gravity's going to be different. Like we go to the moon and we bounce around because we're not. There's no gravity. Or if we went to a much bigger planet, we'd be like £500 or something. We'd be flattened because the gravitational pull is so much greater. Right. So in other words, they wouldn't be acclimated to the gravity of our planet. They might be flying off, they might be flattened to the ground depending upon whatever they're acclimated to. They're not acclimated to breathe air and they're not wearing space suits. So it can't be real, but yet it somehow arguably seems to be. Now, having said that, I want to get to the different theories about that in a minute, but having said that, why in the world would our government cooperate with kidnapping humans? Okay, so Lou, I'm just walking through how crazy this is, right? When these non human intelligence creatures have arguably been just abducting people for hundreds of years. Arguably. In one of the books, I guess, that they left out of the Bible, the Book of Ezekiel, they talk about lights in the sky and getting in chariots and going up into the stars. Why would we even need to cooperate with this? Doesn't even make sense. It could just grab one of us and go.
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Sure. Well, you know, if these things are truly intelligent and not just automatons, then one can surmise that there might be some sort of social structure there, meaning some sort of cooperation. And why I say that is because if you look at all higher primates in the animal kingdom, if you want a species to survive, you have to learn how to cooperate as a unit, as a group. Right? So whether it's a tribe, it's a village, it's a city, it's a country, it's a nation, it doesn't matter. Cooperation is really important for the survival of a species from a macro perspective, not a micro perspective, but a macro perspective. So it's possible that the idea of cooperation isn't just a terrestrial thing, that it is a universal kind of like perhaps, well, other other things we see, like the behavior of light, for example. It's just a matter of physics. It's possible that in order for any type of intelligent being to really evolve itself Cooperation amongst themselves and amongst others is, is imperative. The question is, what would that cooperation look like? And there's been a lot of speculation on that. And I think you're absolutely right. If it turns out that the American government or any government, has been complicit and allowing citizens, innocent civilians, to be taken against their own will and studied, then that's a constitutional issue. We're now well beyond, you know, the, the lanes of MK Ultra and some of these horrible things that our government have done in the past. This is, this is a new level and there'd be, I think, a significant amount of liability that the American government would have to have to assume. And maybe this is one of the reasons why there have been some people very shy about it. You know, in the past we did a lot of things height of the Cold War to maintain our strategic advantage and competitiveness against then Soviet Union. There's a lot of things we did that weren't very nice. You know, if we can go again back to the MK Ultra experiments where innocent people wound up dying because the CIA decided to administer LSD to unsuspecting people. Right. Just to see what would happen. You have the Tuskegee experiments where we allowed our own human beings, our own brothers and sisters in this country to be infected with and go through the entire life cycle of syphilis to the point where some of them died and we didn't. Even though we had a cure, we didn't offer the cure because we wanted to see what would happen with syphilis going to its natural state of progression. So, you know, there have been things we have done in our government that haven't always been very nice and not necessarily in the best interests of the American people. And this is why I think, you know, Congress continues to get engaged in this, because if it turns out that that is the case and we're going to have ourselves an entirely different conversation here.
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Okay. And the one thing that I feel like I should clarify at this point is the suggestion is not that these creatures are copulating with human beings. It would be that they're capturing us, studying us, extracting our DNA and crossing it with theirs in a lab. Like the way that we genetically engineer food is kind of what you're saying, not like. Okay, okay, I get the science now. When you, when you put it that way, like a geo. I understand it when it comes to making a tomato sit on a shelf for a month, because it is the gene of some sort of Arctic fish. I got it. Okay, I'm with you. There.
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And it's, it's. I think that's, again, it's a great point you make because it, there are, there's been speculation that perhaps these things don't necessarily want to clone and hybrid and look like us and be like us and act like us, thank God. But perhaps it's that they've lacked something as a perhaps reproductive capability. Right. So they're looking at, okay, well, humans are very prolific. They obviously know how to reproduce. Maybe there's something in human DNA that allows us to find that way where we can now, you know, reproduce again. Perhaps they've lost their ability to reproduce. We don't, we simply don't know. And again, this is mere speculation here. So let me just put this out there, that right now, these are just. If you were to go down the scientific avenue of why something would want to cross breed with human beings, you know, we are a very adaptive creature. We can live on virtually all seven continents on this planet. We can swim, we can, we can run, we can crawl, and, and we do a lot of things pretty well. We do have an incredible ability to adapt. We're found from northern, northern snow regions all the way down into the deserts. And human beings can thrive. There's only a few places where human beings can thrive. We're, we're even in outer space right now with, with the space station, right? Even underwater, you have these hotels underwater where people can scuba dive. And, you know, we are masters of our environment. And maybe there's something there that's, that's interesting or enticing to something that is definitively not human and say, hey, these little, these little furry monkeys over here have found a way to, you know, do certain things that we can't. Maybe, maybe there's something there that we want to look into. You know, there's a whole bunch of reasons. Why do we study, right now genetically cows, we do it all the time, right? Why do we study the animals that we do, whether it's a great white shark in the Pacific Ocean or a buffalo on the African Serengeti.
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Okay, we're engaged in this conversation about what these things may be. I want to jump ahead to a video of one of these scientists before we dissect that whole situation. Because when I saw this, I thought that this woman was an alcoholic, maybe had a drug problem. By the way, maybe she did. She's saying some of the craziest shit I've ever heard in my entire life, to the point that I was like, oh, she's mentally ill. She's a drug addict. And it turns out. I'm gonna play that clip in just a moment, but to preface this for everybody before they watch, it turns out that she is a quote, polymath, which means. Hang on, where are my notes on her? Just a second. Here we go. A double major in chemistry and biology with a mastery of electrical engineering and physics. She was the co founder of the Institute for Exotic Science in Huntsville, Alabama, which is called Rocket City. It's known as the heart of the aerospace defense world. It's also arguably, and Lou, correct me if I'm wrong, where project Paperclip began. So German scientists, 1600 of them that were brought over after World War II to work on exotic physics were taken, including anti gravity. I don't even know what this is. Zero Point Energy. All of their projects were swiftly classified as black budget. In the defense industry. Her and her father worked on anti gravity technology. She thought that she was being stalked by Raytheon and Blackrock because they wanted to suppress her work. In June of 2022, she was only 34 years old. She was found dead. The official ruling was, we'll say, self deletion for the algorithm here by a self inflicted gunshot wound. And in months leading up to her death, she told colleagues that she was being targeted by energy weapons. And I have seen pictures of her hands that look like they were put in a microwave, which will pop in here in post. She was being harassed, as mentioned by defense contractors. And she explicitly said if you see any report that I killed myself. I most definitely did not. Guys, can we throw up SOT3, please? 3.
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The ultra terrestrials, I think. Have you heard of the P52s and the P47s?
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Do you know what that is? They're us from the future. They're from here.
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They are you, they are me.
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They're from here. From the future. P47 is present plus 47,000 years. P52 is present plus 52,000 years. And basically there's a calamity, right? So there's like a apocalypse scenario in the near future. It wipes out most of like everything man. And there's the ones that go underground and survive, right? And then there's the ones that somehow stay on the surface and miraculously don't die. Okay? So obviously as mentioned, when I saw this, I was like, oh, she's, you know, she's mentally ill. Only to learn, by the way, maybe she is. She seems drunk. I think it's confirmed that she is drunk in that video. But she also happens to be a legitimate genius who was legitimately working on anti gravity technology. Legitimately said if I turn up dead, I did not delete myself, something's wrong. So Lou, who is this woman and what do you think about what she just said?
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Well, I, I had the privilege of meeting Amy Eskridge years ago when she was in Huntsville, Alabama. It is true that she has a deep science background. It is true that her and her father were absolutely convinced. I had dinner with them in fact with a group of other individuals back in 2018, I believe in Huntsville, what you call Rocket City. And we'll talk a little bit about that, why Huntsville is so important. And she had indicated to myself and other members of ATIP that they had succeeded in creating an anti gravity device and could actually demonstrate it and show it. And she was very concerned for her safety and well being. And she said that she has been harassed. That is true. What she said about being harassed is something she conveyed to me as well. Now let's me before I Continue Talking about Ms. Eskridge, allow me to digress for just a moment about what you talked about which is Huntsville, Alabama or Rocket City and Operation Paperclip. Operation Paperclip was a US government effort right at the end of World War II to take Germany's best scientific minds, bring them here and try to exploit that knowledge. And so for example, Dr. Werner von Braun, who was a very senior scientist at NASA responsible for the Saturn 5 rocket that took mankind to the moon. He was a Nazi in fact and he was brought over as part of Operation Paperclip and many other scientists. In fact, NASA owes its origins, believe it or not, to ex Nazi scientists. A lot of these scientists were very close themselves to developing an atomic weapon. And some of these were allegedly involved in anti gravitic type experiments in Nazi German Germany. One specific that that creates a lot of lore is called Der Glocke or the Bell where there was this bell shaped craft allegedly being developed by the Nazis using some sort of spintronics that would be able to defy gravity. And this was part of what Hitler at the time the Third Reich, they referred to the Wunderwaffe program or the Wonder Weapon Program in order to try to gain a, an advantage over the Allies in World War II. And so at the end of World War II we brought these scientists over, we all gave them a lot of, gave them jobs, paid them an obscene amount of money and said okay, your loyalty is now with us. You know, let's, let's move forward. So when you look at for example the V2 rocket which rained absolute tear down on, on, on, on the UK and England. The V2 rocket is really no different than the Saturn V rocket we used 20 some years later, 30 years later to go to the moon. It's, it's basically liquid propellant rocket. If you compare that to a Scud missile that we, we see now a lot, it's almost the exact same technology. So we, we, we capitalized on that and we brought them to Huntsville, Alabama initially as part of Operation Paperclip to, to help jumpstart our, our space program and, and know a little bit more about maybe some advanced aerospace type capabilities, maybe some research and experiments that they were working on back in Germany that we didn't have access to. But it was very interesting, showed some promise like the jet engine. Let's not forget that the me, the Messerschmitt was one of the first jet powered aircraft to be used in combat. And it was German. Right? They also had a rocket powered aircraft as well. You know, it's not coincidence that just a few years later the US government had their own jet airplanes, their own jet fighters. And that's common, that's part of the spoils of war. You want to, you want to learn from your enemy and see if you can, you can take advantage of some of those, those technologies maybe that we were unsuccessful at the time.
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Doing now back to Eskridge. And forgive me for kind of going around here, but I want to make sure I address everything you say because I think it's really important. You're saying a lot of really rich information and I want to make sure your audience can really appreciate it's really good. Yeah. So we go back to insane. Okay. She is, she was very much convinced that, that she was being harassed. Now when you look at directed energy weapon, this is nothing new. We, the United States, even the, the Russian government, China, we've been looking at directed energy weapons for a very long time. What is a directed energy weapon? Well, it's no different than a giant laser gun. You can take a laser gun which is directed energy, you're focusing a beam of light and you're using it to create a kinetic action, meaning to either disrupt or blow up a missile or something like that. But it doesn't have to be a laser. Directed energy really is any type of form of energy that you can direct and concentrate into a very narrow area or beam. And why is that important? Because the human body does not do well at all with, with, with directed energy. In fact, it's a reason why when you have go to your microwave oven, you see that like little shield in the front of it. That's to protect you from microwave radiation that might bleed away or stray away from the microwave. It's the same reason why they say you can only have so many X rays in a particular given year because it's harmful. What happens with these, the this, this, this energy when it enters a human body. And we're going to go back to your DNA conversation here, it actually disrupts the genetic code of human DNA and animal DNA and anything biological. So you want to avoid directed energy. Now you've heard about this good conversation about quote unquote Havana syndrome. I don't know if you know this, but we, this last year we had our first fatality of an individual who was at an embassy. He was an intelligence officer and he was one of the first patients to, to, to be diagnosed with this mysterious Havana Syndrome while he was at the embassy. And, and he died. He passed away this, this last year. I know another individual who I had the privilege of working with at the Pentagon. He is also a Havana Syndrome patient. The government actually labeled him as Havana Syndrome patient. And the speculation is there is that Russia or some other country, perhaps a rogue country, has developed this, this silent weapon that uses directed energy. Think of like an X ray gun where you can, you can, you know, you can fry people's internal organs and cause serious, serious damage and which ultimately relates to things like cancer. If you go all the way back to World War II and you look at really the impact of the atom bomb, it wasn't the initial explosion. What created the devastation was the years and years following Hiroshima and Nagasaki of radiation poisoning. And so it can be extremely detrimental. And so back to Amy Eskridge. You know, Amy Eskridge was claiming she was being attacked and harassed, but more importantly, attacked by directed energy weapon. It is true that Havana Syndrome was being taken very, very seriously by the US Government at the time. And it is possible that individuals were suffering the consequences of it. The reason why, you see, when you say you saw her hands and they looked red, while I was at the Pentagon, we actually had, we actually had a study and we had, we had medical doctors and even surgeons that were assigned to our program that were trying to understand the symptoms of when you got too close to directed energy, and in this particular case, a ufo, because a lot of the pilots that were reporting a near encounter with a UFO would come back and, and it looked like they had sunburn, right? Their skin was red and it was a little bit blotchy. And it turns out that that is very consistent with, with, with superficial radiation poisoning. Just like a sun burn, you get too close and you get too much UV light on your skin, and what happens, your skin gets red and, you know, you burn. So, you know, if, if Amy was a victim to, to some sort of directed energy, you could potentially see that reddening of skin. And then even more, you'd have the, the consequences of internal organ damage and eventually organ failure. Because what happens, it starts with the skin. But if it, if that energy is, is energetic enough and it's being directed at you, it actually goes inside your body and gets absorbed by, by your, by your major organs. And again, they do not do well with radiation. Amy was very convinced that her and her father, and this is what I can tell you, her and her father were absolutely convinced that they had perfected and could demonstrate and test anti brevitics. I was supposed to go over and get a demonstration of this the month, the month following. Unfortunately, that didn't, didn't come to bear and you know, turns out unfortunately that Amy's not here anymore to answer some of these direct questions. But I met her and she seemed like a very, very nice girl. I don't know a woman. I did not know her personally. I did not understand. I did not know if she suffered from any type of, of mental illness. Is it possible? Sure. You know, I got a lot of my colleagues that come back from warfare with PTSD and, and suffer psychologically. It is common. So I'm not going to say that she, she either she did or she didn't. I don't know. I'm not a, not a trained medical doctor. I could not tell you if she, she suffered from depression or anything like that. But what I can tell you is that she was absolutely convinced and so was her father, that people were trying to silence them. And she said this to me at a table with other witnesses. We had a pretty large group, maybe, maybe 8 to 10 of us at the time to include, like I said, one of my colleagues who was a scientist for us in aatip. And you know, they were very convinced that, that someone was trying to, to silence them. This was in Huntsville, Alabama. It was in Rocket City. It actually, it was Redstone missile arsenal.
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Okay, so two things. I remember reading a book by Michio Kaku. We may have talked about this previously, so if we did, I apologize. And it was called Physics of the Future. And he talked about how if you could reverse the magnetic field and essentially float something like a car, one drop of gas would allow this car to drive for a full year because there's no friction. So you can see why certain industries, the way that the world is set up economically, would arguably not want this to happen. But one would also presume that the raytheons and the BlackRocks would be funding this kind of technology. And this is where she sort of loses me because why wouldn't they have brought her into the fold, have funded her work, have owned the patents? Why is this woman just alone making videos in her living room talking about this? How is she just some sort of solo seemingly weirdo who has developed this? Why is she not like at NASA, at mit? Why is this tech not owned? This is where it's like, that's ridiculous. Doesn't make sense.
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Yeah, well, I will I will say, in defense of that type of behavior, you know, a lot of times, if you're very vocal, the one thing secrecy hates is, is someone who's vocal. You know, there's an old saying, you know, how do you keep a secret between two people? Well, one of them has to die. So if you have very, very sensitive research you're doing, what you don't want to do is, is necessarily reach out to somebody who, who can't be controlled or for whatever reason may be willing to violate a security oath. You know, let me, I'm going to turn it for just a moment just to my own personal situation. You know, I've been personally threatened as well. But I think the only reason why I'm still here to have this conversation with people is because I've never violated my security oath. I'm still very much a loyal American. I love my country. I love my government. Government, and I want to continue doing what's right for it. I don't want to hurt it. I'm actually doing what I'm doing because I'm a patriot. Because I, I love my country and I'm trying to help it get out of a corner that has put itself into after 80, 90 years of, of. Of obfuscation. I'm trying to help it. I'm not trying to hurt my government. And I think that may be the one of the reasons why, because I will never discuss anything that's classified. I will never violate my security oath under any circumstances. And I think there are people in places probably realize that I've made it very clear and not just saying it through my actions. You know, I've had opportunity to do things and say things for self gain, self promotion in the past. And I refuse to do it because I don't want to do it at the cost of real disclosure, real transparency. There's a lot of good things happening right now in Congress that's happening. A lot of good folks. You have folks like Anna, Paulina Luna. You also have Representative Burchett, Representative Burleson. You also have other folks on the other side of the aisle. You know, you have Senator Kristen Gillibrand and other. And Booker all doing a lot of really good work in this topic. And you know, you don't want to violate people's trust. If Amy is getting on YouTube and doing personal videos about, about maybe her work, maybe that, that made some people nervous enough where they said, look, you know, this is somebody maybe, maybe, maybe can't be controlled. Maybe somebody who you know is going to Stray off the reservation or stray from, from being on script. Now with that said, I'm not, be very clear here. I'm, I'm not on any type of script. A lot of people are going to say, oh, Louis, just a show for the US Government and you know, this is soft disclosure and people are totally entitled to their opinions. But that's not the case.
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Even if it was, please disclose. Even if it was, then, okay, let's continue disclosing. I couldn't care less if this, quite honestly, if this was actually part of the plan, then great, okay, disclose because it's, I can't even believe we're having this conversation. Like, I don't even know how I'm supposed to react to you. You gotta, the hybridization programs, a girl saying that, like these are humans from 47,000 years from now, like it's unhinged.
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Yeah, I, I can't, so I can't even comment on that because truth be told, I have no idea. I've had, I've had people telling me it's, you know, it's a theory. Well, maybe these are ourselves from the future. The problem with that, from a scientific perspective, it is almost impossible, if not impossible, for us to time travel in the past. Now there is some research that suggests that maybe we, that time travel is possible in one direction, perhaps, perhaps moving forward. And if you look at a black hole, the model of a black hole and the warping of space time. Yes, space and time have this interesting relationship. And if you understand how it works, you potentially can manipulate space time to your advantage and do things that would seem to be impossible by our current technological standards. But it doesn't mean that you can go back thousands and thousands of years. There are issues in physics that prevent that from at least currently from us being able to even model anything like that. So for me, I've always had a little bit of trouble digesting that theory that they, whatever they are, are from the future. I, I, now wouldn't make a very clever excuse. Sure. If you want to use as cover for action. You know, maybe it's, maybe it's a lie that we've been told in order to, you know, protect where they're really from. I, I don't know. I, I, I have a hard time though, again. And this is using our current model of physics and I could be proved, proven completely wrong in 10 years from now. But I, I don't think that these are visitors from the future. I, I, I just, there's too many inconsistencies there's too many paradoxical challenges involving that. You know, there's the old story, what happens if you go back in time and, you know, you kill your grandfather? Well, then you don't exist and then you can't go back in time. And so there's this weird paradox there. And there's also some other issues in physics that, that restrict us from being able to actually go back in time, per se. So I do not necessarily subscribe to that, but, you know, doesn't mean that, that there's not, not some truth there.
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A
Well, even then, you might not be able to. So, you know, there's, there's, there's. So we're going to get just for a moment here into the fundamentals of, of our reality. We are a physical species that lives in a three dimensional space. So you can go forward, backwards, left and right and up and down, and a combination of those, you can maneuver in a three dimensional space. And time has often been described as a fourth dimension. Right. So you have this, this ability to experience time. But we as human beings experience time very linearly. But we're beginning to realize through certain models of quantum physics that time really isn't as linear as we thought. And the Two ways to warp space time fundamentally is with a lot of mass. And you said it earlier, depending on what size planet you're on, the gravitational pull is going to be stronger. And don't look now, but that's actually warping space time. The reason why you and I are on the surface of the planet of Earth is because we're all being pulled down equally at 9.8 meters per second squared. And that is due to the mass of Earth. And if we were standing on Jupiter, that would be greater. And so therefore we would experience a greater pull if we're standing on the moon, it'd be much less the other way to warp space time. And eventually, by the way, if the gravity is so great, like a black hole, you, you can, you can collapse space time on itself. That's right. And so the other way to warp space time is with a lot of energy. And I mean a truckload of energy. So you can either do it with. Because of E equals MC squared. That, that little, that little equation that Einstein came up with really says energy and mass are fundamentally the same thing in two different states. If you take matter and you annihilate, when you annihilate it, what do you get? You get pure energy, right? And, and vice versa. There's a fundamental relationship between, between energy and mass. And you can think of it in a very, very lay perspective. Some physicists will jump all over me for saying it, but, but in a very lay perspective, you can think of, think of water and think of ice as being matter. It's hard, it's. That's tough, right? Strong ice. And think of steam as being energy. They're both fundamentally the same thing. They're both really elements of water, but they're in two different energetic states. So, you know, you need a lot of, lot of energy, you need a lot of steam to equate to, you know, a block of ice, because that block of ice is condensed, it's heavy. And if you want to have a bucket as heavy as a block of ice, you need, you know, a heck of a lot more steam. In fact, it turns out being, if I were to take this cup here and I convert that cup as full of water, let's just say, hypothetically, instead of coffee, and I convert it to steam, that will now occupy 1700 times its volume. And that is what led to the Industrial Revolution. It's, it's a reason why, why our species was able to break out and, and really evolve technologically over the last few hundred years, because we understood that very simple principle. If you take water and you convert it to steam, you can do work. And so that is, you know, back to the fundamentals of warping in space time. Now, you said about going the speed of light, right? There is a universal speed limit to the speed of light, and that is roughly 186,000 miles per second. Or if you want to look at it, compare it to something else, you can roughly go around the Earth seven and a half times in one second. So that is really fast. And it takes a lot of energy to do that. And the current rules of physics says we, we can never get, we can never go the speed of light, we'll never be able to break the speed of light for very various reasons that I won't get into here. But, you know, you, you can't do it. Now, with that said, with every rule, there's an exception. So it wasn't until recently that we were able to do some tests that actually validated that there is some things that potentially, potentially can go faster than speed of light. One of that, one of those things is called quantum communication. So if I have two, let's say,
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B
you going to say quantum entanglement.
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A
Yeah, that's exactly right.
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B
The same thing as spooky action at a distance.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly right.
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Okay. Okay. Will you explain this? I know a little bit about it. Okay, I'm going to be quiet. I'm sorry.
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Yeah, it's absolutely fascinating. And, and the Chinese and the Russians and we are, we're doing a lot of research into it. So let's say you have two particles and they are quantum entangled, meaning that there is a very special relationship. There's a marriage between these two objects that is inseparable. And so if I take this object and I act upon it in a certain way, this object that is married to this one will, will react. And that is true whether these two things are separated by an inch, by a mile, or 100,000 light years. In fact, if I, you act upon this one, this quant, this, this entangled particle will react instantly. It doesn't matter if it's halfway around the universe, it is still going to react. So that means, fundamentally there's something going on here we don't understand. There is some form of, and I use the term very loosely, communication between this object and this object that somehow seems to be going much, much faster than the speed of light. How is it that if I act upon this, this, and I, I, I put a stimulus on this, that instantly, and this is on the opposite end of the universe will react to it. Well, either a, something's going much, much faster than the speed of light, or that there is some loopholes to space time, meaning the way we look at space is not exactly the way it really is. It's more like Swiss cheese. And you can find these little holes in space time and what we might refer to as a wormhole. And be able to now go from the distance between here and here may to us be halfway across the universe, but from a quantum entangle perspective, may only be a couple feet apart. So there is that. And then you have another idea about time. And this is going to be. Put your seatbelt on for this, because this is going to go a little bit down the rabbit hole for you. But there's been experiments. We've done things these, the U.S. government. So this is not just hyperbole here. There was a time where the US Government and, by the way, Russia, had a program called remote viewing. It was called Operation Stargate, and before that it was called Operation Grill, Flame and whatnot, where we trained people, trained soldiers to be. To be. To conduct psychic espionage. And what they would do is remote view targets that were separated by space and time. And we collected intelligence. And if you don't believe me, you can look it up. It's called Operation Stargate. In fact, one of the people, the grandfathers of that effort is my close personal friend Dr. Hal Puthoff. And they did a lot of work for the CIA, by the way, in remote viewing because the Russians did it, too. Now, how is it that a human being can look at something that is either not here anymore or, or maybe there in the future and not here now up to within a certain limitation? Well, it was explained to me by some of these physicists that time itself, if you look at it, is a lot like a cigar. And we'll talk about it in a minute. But if I were to ask you a question, Jillian, just a very simple question. What is your simplest definition of the past? In few words as possible, less than a sentence? If I had to say, okay, what is your definition of. Of the past? What would it be?
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Okay, I know I'm supposed to say things that have already happened, but I know that they're happening simultaneously, even though you're ahead again, perceive and define the past. I heard a little of it, Lou. I thought the remote viewing was like a. Was a joke. I thought they got a bunch of, like, psychics, and it turned out to be nothing. So I'm just gonna keep it's very real. Okay, we're not gonna talk anymore. Okay, so.
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No, you're absolutely. So you're already ahead of the game on this. So bottom line is that exactly the past is things, events that have already happened. And by that same logic, if you want to describe the future, it's events that haven't happened yet. So what does the present mean? Which is, by the way, where we live our life, Everything that we experience, our happiness, our sadness, our anger, of our. Our hopes and our dreams, everything happens in the present. That is where we live our life. And yet, if you really look at what the present is, it's an almost impossible part of space time that's that you can't even define because it's so fleeting, because, because most reality is either the past or the future. And you can think of it, you can think of. Of of time as being a cigar. Imagine the past being the ashes of the cigar, the elements that have already been burnt up. You can't go back. Imagine the future as being that part of the cigar that's intact. It hasn't burned up yet. It hasn't been consumed by. By fire, and it's just there, it's not doing anything. The present where we live is this cherry. This moment of ignition where the cigar or the cigarette begins to burn. And if you had the ability to look at that, look at that cigar as it's burning microscopically and maybe remove some of the glare so you can actually see what's going on, you would notice that, that at the point of ignition, that cigar, that cigarette burns unevenly. Meaning you will. If you were to really focus in and zoom into that cherry, you would see elements of the tobacco burning before other elements until finally, at the sum, at the sum game at the end, it's all ash, but that part of the cherry still burns unevenly. And that is where we live. We live our life in this infinitesimal small part of space time that's probably more. More accurately measured in Planck time than it is in seconds, where, where all our reality occurs. And so some have speculated that human beings consciousness, human consciousness, which, which may be a quantum process, believe it or not, actually involving quantum entanglement, human consciousness, that some people have the ability to experience space time, where that cherry of that cigar is a little bigger, meaning more elements of the past and more elements of the future are being experienced as if it's happening right now. So that was the explanation that was provided to me by some of the folks who actually started the remote viewing programs. Stargate had Many names before that. And if you look at the data that we had at the Pentagon, it absolutely worked, make no mistake. In fact, it may have worked too well, because at one point Congress got involved, some of the religious folks did not like what was being done. And General Stubblebind was actually hauled up before Congress, and privately they dragged him away and said, hey, you know, what we think you're doing is demonic. You really shouldn't be doing this, and you're playing with fire. And he responded by saying, why do you care how I do intelligence operations? As long as the information is accurate, you shouldn't really care. And if you want to know how effective it was, you can look at some of the cases where remote viewers were able. There was a. There was a test plane, a Russian aircraft, a supersonic aircraft that actually crashed in Africa, and all our best satellites, and no one knew where it was. Russians even know where it was, where it crashed. And it was remote viewers that actually were able to get the coordinates of that aircraft. And we're able to. I don't know if I can talk about it, but able to do our thing at the crash site. So, you know, it does work. The question, the problem is, is that it. We still don't understand exactly how it works, and it makes a lot of people very uncomfortable, and it's very hard to quantify and qualify its successes, but we took it very seriously, and, you know, so do other countries.
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B
Okay, so essentially, are you suggesting that we can train ourselves to see the future, or there are people that have a natural ability to do this?
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Both may be the case. If I, I actually talk about it a little bit. I, I wasn't allowed to for a long time. I, I tangentially brushed up against the Stargate program as it was, as it was coming to an end. When I was in the Army, I was recruited by a gentleman named Eugene Lessman, and he was one of the. The best remote viewers at the time for the U.S. army. And Congress pulled the funding, and I wound up just becoming an operations officer somewhere. But I was there long enough to know the program was real. I was there long enough to know that they actually took it very seriously. There's actually an Army Standard Operating Procedure in SOP that was written that I think is now declassified. You can probably pull it up online. It was the handbook on remote viewing for, for, for the US army on how to remote view. And it was very regimented, as you can imagine. Any operation, right in the army, everything is dress. Right dress, everything is very detail. Focused. And it turns out that, you know, a lot of people can, can do it. It's really not voodoo science. It's probably just quantum physics, to be honest with you. And in fact, it may nothing, it may be nothing new. In fact, it may be something very old, maybe, maybe vestigial, kind of like when you look at the human appendix. Why do we have this organ that we don't really use anymore? Well, because at one time in the past, we needed it. It's very possible that this is the same way, that that revealing may be nothing more than like a sixth sense that we had. And, and it may be quite common in the animal kingdom as a, as, as a means of survival. Right. If you come out of the cave and you're not sure what's behind that bush over there, perhaps that is what saved you from being eaten by the lion. So it may be be something that we, we've been doing for a long time. In fact, a lot of indigenous cultures here in the New World don't look at remote viewing as being anything special. To them, it's just normal. It's just the way life is.
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Okay, another question. We shut it down here, but other countries are not going to shut it down, so China's not going to shut it down. Wouldn't that inherently put us at a pretty significant disadvantage?
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That is a great question. So let me see if I can answer it this way. You don't ever get rid of something because it works. You might get rid of something publicly. Ah, but you don't ever really.
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That makes sense. Understood. Okay.
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That's about all I can say.
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One more. No problem, I got it. Okay, so one more question. If I could see into the future, Lou, I'm getting lottery numbers. Do you know what I mean? That's it. I'm getting lottery numbers and I'm buying an island and I am checking out of this crazy shit. So, like, why is nobody, or I mean, I'm not hearing about people that guessed every lottery number every week. Like, that's what I would do. I would say, okay, I'm going to look into the super lottery tomorrow.
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I would love for you to talk to one of my former colleagues, Dr. Hal Puthoff, one of the, like I said, one of the godfathers, if you will, of the remote view viewing program Stargate and Grow Flame and whatnot. They did exactly that. Their budget was getting cut, so they decided for a month to play the stock market. And you know What? They made 2 million bucks. But there is this weird rule with karma that if you try to use it for self gain, and I don't know why this happens, it's like the laws of the universe are against you. But if you use it for self gain, you wind up always something backfiring and it winds up being worse for you. And that is exactly what happened. But that's not my story to tell. If you ever want to have a really interesting guest, talk to Dr. Hal Puthoff. He has a long history with the intelligence community. He's exceptionally intelligent and he can tell you more or less how, how this works and why certain things you can do and you can't do. I've always made it a rule, you know, don't ever use anything for, for personal gain or for, for selfish gain. You know, the universe has this weird, weird karma thing where you know, eventually you're gonna, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to pay, pay back somehow. And I believe that remote viewing is, is no different. You know, there is a requirement to self regulate and there's kind of an unwritten rule that you never use it for bad purposes or selfish purposes. Now is it? I'm sure it is. But again, this is something you'd probably want to talk to Dr. Puthoff. He can go into a lot more detail because he was there from the beginning to the program all the way to the end. I just kind of skimmed over the watertop at the very, very end so he would know a lot more. Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Please check out my new interview series.
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B
We'll do it live.
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A
Each Thursday I sit down with the most influential people in America. We're a no spin chat, no script. Anything could happen. You can find. We'll do it live on BillOriley.com YouTube or wherever you download your podcast. But they did that and they played a lot and they played the stock market and they, and they did, they think made $2 million in the first month. And then, you know, the whole program wound up getting shut down.
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B
Oh my God. Well, that, I mean, what's fascinating about that is there are so many evil people in the world and you wonder why they don't get justice. You're telling me these guys gamed the stock market and got justice instantaneously?
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Like that's, you have to ask him. You know, it's, it is. And I've seen it over and over again. You know, I don't know what causes the universe to give people their just desserts or not. I don't know. I tend to try to always follow the golden rule of don't judge others, and hopefully they won't judge you. But yeah, you're right. There's a lot of bad people in the world that do a lot of bad things and they get away with it. And I don't know why that is. Maybe they don't get away with it. Maybe at the end you have this reckoning, this balancing of the account, at least. Certainly that's. That's what I would hope. But it's a great question. And I would talk to again, Talk, talk to Dr. Hal Puthoff, talk to some of the other folks that were. Joe McMonagle, who, who actually teaches remote viewing, I believe. Still, there's a lot of folks in the Washington, D.C. area that work for the CIA, work for INSCOM, and they, they can tell you a lot more specifics. If that's something you're interested in, let me know and I can, I can get you connected.
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B
I mean, I would love it. I would love it. I would love it. Okay, so we're talking a little bit about things that work outside of the system. And we've talked about this before. There are employees like the President that are in and out. They get four years, maybe eight, and they're gone. There are things they don't know. Trump has just declassified the first tranche of UAP files. You are going to be more aware than anyone that people are dissatisfied, to say the least. I watched a hilarious interview with Finnerty on Newsmax, just screaming, this guy, Dr. Greer, who you were obviously going to know who that is. And the poor guy didn't even get to answer a question. He's like, why? This is. I'm done with this. And he's not the only one. People are just fed up. They've had it. Even Benny Johnson, he's a huge friend of the administration, is like, this is. There's nothing here. They've given us nothing. You know, grainy videos. And then Stephen Greer said this, I believe, same day. Let me pull up the number of this sound bite, guys. Can we see SOT number four, please?
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And this I want to be clear about. There are two governments. There's the government you know about, we elect and appoint. There's a shadow or secret government that is actually running this. And that is not a conspiracy theory. It's a fact. We can prove it. And what that means is routinely, presidents, sec devs and others, they will get the most superficial information on this. Whereas the. The code word level, special access projects, top secret, special compartment information is something they never can Penetrate because it's operating outside the constitutional chain of command. I cannot say that more clearly. And that was the conclusion we reached in 1993. Not because I was googling conspiracy theories, but because I met and briefed the Director of the CIA, who told me point blank that he and the President were denied access. Hey, this serious problem for our country and for the world. So when the most important issue in the history of the human species comes up and you have the rule of law completely subverted by an unelected, unsanctioned group, we can have our phones off then I think this is a real problem.
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Who is he talking about if he's not talking about the President and the CIA? Or is this just baloney? It doesn't seem like, it seems like you and I have talked about this and it's very real.
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Yeah, no, I, I will tell you, I give credit where credit is due. I agree with Dr. Greer on this perspective because I've seen it. I was part of it. Look, let's, let's not forget that the simple fact that when I was at a tip, the US Government was telling everybody UAP aren't real. We don't pay attention to them. And we were spending $22 million of your tax money looking into it. Right. And the President wasn't briefed. In fact, neither was the Secretary of Defense at the time. Not that one, anyways. There's only a few members of Congress that were. That is the problem. Because you have these. There are, There are very few exceptions in our Constitution that allow the American government to do things and only tell a very small group of people one of those. And I'm going to be very cautious how I, how I talk about this, but if you look at the definition of COVID action, that is one of those legal exceptions where the US Government is allowed to, to lie to the American public. They are allowed to lie to most of Congress and they're allowed to lie to the world in order to protect a mission or an operation. But there's very specific rules on how you conduct covert action. The problem is, is that when you have an operation being done that is not under that legal umbrella and not under the legal umbrella of Executive Order 12333 and the National Security act of 1947 and IRTPA of 2004, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, you, you, you are doing an extra constitutional activity. You're doing something illegal. Now, there is, there's checks and balances on our government. There is a group of people called The Gang of Six in Congress that, on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that are supposed to have access to all classified information because they are the legislative overseer of the executive branch and they're the ones that have to remain accountable for this. But we know very well that the Gang of Six is a lot of times not briefed in to anything and that's a problem. We know for a fact.
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I'm so sorry, don't mean to interrupt you. Who, who is the Gang of Six right now?
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Those are individuals on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. The sissy. They are. It's a committee within the Senate and then there's also a House version of that, which is the hipc, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. So these are the folks that are designed in these committees to basically.
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Got it, sorry.
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Oversee the executive branch doing these, these type of jobs. And, and you know, Dr. Greer is absolutely right. From that perspective, one area I will agree with him on is that there is a shadow government that has probably gone back into to since the late 40s, early 50s that has, has, has made a lot of decisions on behalf of the American people. It really didn't have the authority to have. And in fact, there's a famous quote by Eisenhower if you ever want to see when he was leaving office. He warns America specifically about the threat of the military industrial complex and the fact that decisions are made.
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So it's private industry.
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Well, it's, it's, it's quasi. It's both. It's a cooperation between elements within the US Government and elements outside the US Government that are still working with the US Government, supposedly, you know, at the behest of the American people. But look, if all I got to say is a few words and this will, this will resonate if we don't think that our government has done this before and not told Congress. All you have to do is look at, you know, things like Watergate, look at things like Iran Contra, look at things like the Pentagon Papers, right, where we have done things and lied to the American people about it, only later on to get caught and have to say, oops, yeah, you're right about that. It happens, unfortunately. And there have been, there's guardrails now in place to try to prevent that, but it still happens.
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I want to backtrack on the scientists for a second because if anybody, if they are in fact missing or deceased due to foul play, I would imagine it would be the shadow government. Would that be a safe assumption? Like, it's probably not China. It's probably not Russia. And I say this because I'm going to show you a clip where there are Chinese scientists missing just like there are American ones right now. And they're showing up, gone, deceased in some cases, not just disappeared. There is. This has happened before. So my team found this. This is Barbara Walters, I believe it's sought six guys. This is the 1980s. Lou, take a look at this.
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That if it were fiction, it would
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likely be a bestseller because all of
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the dead, almost two dozen to date, worked in Western Europe's defense industries. And the deaths, some bizarre by any standards, have been scattered across the continent. Only by chance did the pattern emerge. But the question is obvious. Is this all just coincidence or has international espionage produced a string of murders? Stone Phillips went to Europe to investigate and here's what he found out. The mystery begins here in picturesque Bristol, England in August 19th. In 1986, Vimal Dajubai, a 24 year old computer scientist, drove his car to this 200 foot high suspension bridge. He walked out along the edge, then he jumped to his death. Or was he pushed? Dajubai had left no suicide note. When his body was recovered, initial police reports noted a strange puncture mark on his thigh. But the case passed virtually unnoticed. Then one night about a month later, on this hill overlooking Bristol, another young computer scientist, Ashad Sharif, working for the same company, tied a rope around a tree, wrapped the other end around his neck, then got back into his car and pushed the accelerator to the floor. Dajabai and Sharif were both working for Marconi, one of Britain's top defense contractors. And in less than a month's time, both had died unnatural deaths. This time somebody noticed. I was given what I thought at the time was accurate information, but which later turned out to be totally false. Tony Collins, a reporter with a trade publication called Computer News, started digging after receiving a tip. He discovered that one of the dead men worked on a highly secret project called Cosmos doing underwater torpedo research and also had applications to America's Star wars program. Then Collins found that by merely knowing about the Cosmos project, Marconi felt he knew too much. The more inquiries I made about it, it seemed that the more upset Marconi became and they wanted to know exactly what information we'd obtained. And they said that there had been an internal inquiry which had established that we'd been given information which could be harmful to, to the national interest.
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Okay, before, before you comment on that, the parallels with what we're seeing now, that was two dozen scientists in the 80s. Right now we've got 11 I left out, let's say three or four that seemed like maybe they were lumped in improperly. You have, okay, scientists that have mysteriously vanished, some were found shot, were killed in incidents so strange that nobody can make sense of them. Like a Tesla car that spent four hours at an airport, drove on its own for two hours and then crashed into a ball of flames with, with one of the scientists in it. They are connected to sensitive scientific research, defense and technology institutions, including NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Los Alamos National Laboratory, the Air Force Research Laboratory, which are all deeply tied to advanced weapons systems, aerospace engineering, nuclear research, propulsion technology, classified national security work, all of which is arguably UAP adjacent. Lou, I mean, I've got like eight names that are, that are kind of, of irrefutably bizarre, right? You've got the one general who arguably was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and said he didn't want to go on. You know, I left those people out, I end up with about eight. And it's happening in China. One more thing I want to show you before, before I let you just go on this, guys. Can I see SOT number 5? At least 10 scientists in China died under what some are saying is, or suspicious circumstances. This is just a bizarre case, not only here in the US but now in China. Right? Good morning to you, Hannah. And there's other countries as well. But these dead Chinese scientists worked on everything from drones to military to AI to Taiwan invasion scenarios and the deaths date back to 2023. The deaths allegedly involved suicide, sudden illnesses and car crashes. Right now there is no evidence linking the cases in China to the U.S. and of course, of course China is often tight lipped on matters of its national security and government and it controls the media. But the obituary of one of the scientists on a state run site said that he was sacrificed back here at home. The FBI and the House Oversight Committee are looking into what happened to our scientists and government workers, many of whom had high level security clearance, some with access to classified material tied to nuclear, space or defense work. Now, I'm not just looking at 11 people and you know, some don't seem to belong on this list and weren't currently active. I've got a history of this now that's been established. I've got this going on concurrently in China. All right everybody, picture this. It's late at night, you're scrolling and bam. The perfect product hits your feet. You add to the cart, you shop a bit more, you head to checkout, but your wallet is across the room or Even worse in the car. I always leave my wallet in the car. I know. Then you spot it, that purple shop pay button. No digging for your card, no forgotten passwords. Just one tap and you're done. It's a game changer in the chaos of online shopping. So guys, that is the power of Shopify for millions of businesses worldwide. And in fact, Shopify drives 10% of all US E commerce. From household names like Alaia Naturals and Kylie Cosmetics to small businesses just starting out like Ranch Rich Streetwear. So if you have a dream to build an online store, there is no better platform than Shopify. With hundreds of stunning templates that match your brand. AI tools that write killer product descriptions, headlines and even enhance photos in seconds. Their tools let you market like a pro. Create emails and social campaigns that reach customers wherever they're scrolling. And best of all, you can handle inventory, payments, analytics and more in one intuitive dashboard. Basically, Shopify is your expert partner with 24,7 award winning support. So see, less carts go abandoned and more sales go with Shopify and their Shop pay button. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com Jillian just go to shopify.com Jillian that's shopify.com Jillian I watched the President actually just say no, no, no. I looked into it. It seems like just a bunch of random coincidences. People vanish all the time. What is your take on this? What's happening?
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Well, let me be fair and I'm going to try to answer your question without doing anything that, that's going to disrupt ongoing investigations. So the FBI right now is very much involved in a full field investigation on this exact issue involving the American side scientists. Right. So I'm going to give them the latitude to do what they need to do without speculating or, you know, pontificating on that necessarily. But let me, let me try to answer your question by using some other examples. So Russia in the past, in order to control dissidents, used assassinations. Most recently people are familiar with about 10 years ago when they went to the UK with radioactive material and unfortunately in a very sloppy way wound up releasing a bunch of radiation all over the place and all over Europe as part of a wet operation to silence one of the, their, their vocal detractors. But before that, in the clip you just played there, one of the gentlemen, they reported a little puncture wound in his thigh. Now you may not be aware of this, maybe you are. That is very reminiscent of Russian KGB method methods of operation. In fact, there was in London again, there was an individual several decades ago that was very vocal against Russia. And so what they did is they had this, this one of their assassins had an umbrella and at the end of the umbrella was a tiny little spike. And what he did is he wound up jabbing it into the leg as if he was falling and tripping. And inside that spike at the very end, end of the umbrella was a little tiny capsule of ricin with one grain of ricin. And it wound up killing him. There was before him another example and I, it might have been with, with Leon Tronsky where they used a cyanide gun. Someone was sitting in a park, they had a newspaper rolled up and inside there there was this little gun that would fire a capsule of cyanide and they'd basically shoot it into the face of, of one of their, their people and to, to, to murder them, to eliminate them. There was another gentleman, Gerald Bull. Gerald Bull was a scientist, actually worked for NASA at one point. Canadian born scientist who wound up developing something called the HARP gun, the High Altitude Research Projects gun. And it was basically a huge conventional gun that would shoot a, an artillery round into low earth orbit. That's how powerful this thing was. And unfortunately he couldn't find really a buyer for it. So he wound up working for the Iraqis and later on was assassinated because he was actually going to be conveying that technology in a, in a gun that, that's, that they were developing. Saddam Hussein called the Babylon that was its target was Israel. And so obviously the United States and Israel not standing for it, had to make sure that this threat was eliminated. Now back to the Chinese, these scientists, you know, if these scientists, and this is pure, let me just caveat this for the record, this is pure speculation on my part, but if those scientists happen to be intelligence assets for the US Government and they were working some of these secret technologies, then one can imagine the Chinese government would try to make an example, right? And, and rather than haul them up into court and making a big political issue out of it, they did what the Russians did. They just eliminate people. And then what happens? The other scientists get the point very quickly and realize, hey, we better shut our mouths, we better not work with anybody here because you know, the PRC does not, does not condone this. And it may be why that individual wrote what he did where he says, I'm being sacrificed because maybe he knew that, you know, the gig was up. Maybe he was being controlled by some sort of foreign intelligence and China isn't going to put up with that, that. And so they decided to resort to dirty tricks. So I. We have to be careful making. I mean, there's superficially, there's similarities between the scientists we have here in the United States, missing or dead, and the ones that perhaps happened in China some time ago. But they also might be completely and totally different as well. And so we have to keep an open mind. We really need more data, more information. And this is why the FBI investigation is so important, because they're going to be able to uncover links that we simply wouldn't be able to do. They can look at phone records, right? They can look at all sorts of things to determine where these scientists were, who they were working with, and then start drawing on a map, you know, what are those commonalities? Who did they have in common? And to see if there's any linkages there. I agree with you. I think some of these are probably natural death regarding the scientists in our country. But I also know that some of them may not be. And I say that because I was. Myself and David Grusch, who. We worked at the U. S. Space Force together. I left the Pentagon. We were both threatened very, very specifically to shut our mouths. Otherwise we would have our mouth shut for us. So, you know, I. I don't put it past anybody. I think. I think there's a lot at stake here. But at the same time, I do want to give law enforcement time, sufficient time and space for them to conduct their investigation because it's. There's a lot there.
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You know, there's the one woman,
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I
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can't remember her name right now, but she's hiking with a friend. She's about 30ft behind the friend. They're hiking together, waves and smiles. A few seconds later, the friend turns around, she's gone. You can't find her. You can't find like four or five of these missing people. But my producer, Fletcher, pointed out, he goes, you know how we found the soldier in the mountains of Iran, right? We heard his heart murmur, gillian, do you really think we can't find them? Of course we can find them, Louis. So it's like, I just. I just don't. I don't know anymore. This is all so totally insane and unhinged that. Are we just supposed to get desensitized to it? Like, it just sounds so ridiculous, and you just acclimate to the crazy. It's like the frog in the boiling pot of water. You're like, well, of course they're crossbreeding us with aliens. Well, of course. Little creatures that are gray with Big black eyes are abducting people in their houses in the middle of the night. Well, of course we're seeing into the future for intelligence purposes. How in the world do you sleep? How is this possible? Is there anything left that I could tell you that would freak you out?
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Yeah, I mean that says something about the human condition, doesn't it? I'm gonna share something else with you I don't think I've ever shared. I might have. I don't think I shared this publicly. But there was a Air Force, ex Air Force office officer and he was a cop and he, he had several UAP experiences when he was in the Air Force. And he was protecting a nuclear site, a US nuclear ballistic missile site. Long story short, he. Oh boy. So his wife and him were living together after they retired and he would have these strange encounters at night around 3:00', clock, 3:30, 3 in the morning. And he'd say, I'm gone. I disappear into some sort of weird silver room and then I'm back in my bedroom again. Well, one evening his wife woke up and thought maybe he had gone to use a restroom. She searched the house, he was gone, he wasn't there. And this was about 3:30 in the morning. And she said, well that's peculiar. Maybe stepped out in the front lawn for a minute or something. So she opened the front door, he's not there, comes back and now he's back in bed, right? Now here's where it gets weird. His cell phone is an Apple device and he goes to the cell phone carrier to have it analyzed. Now you know these phones all have accelerometers in here, right? You can, you can tell where the phone is at just about any given time and how long it's at a location. You know, you can use a Find my iPhone. When they analyzed the telemetry, it showed that phone was sitting by his bed the entire evening until precisely 3:30 in the morning. And for either six or eight minutes it was, it was over his house at 60ft over his home. But there wasn't a slow acceleration of the phone. We can now have the phone in bed. Now all of a sudden it's moving up and going back down. No, it's, it's here one moment, the very next moment it's 60ft over his house for, for minutes at a time and then boom, it's right back at his bedside again. And this, this is the telemetry is there. This is not just him saying, oh look, he has the data from, from the cell phone Carrier showing that exploitation of that cell phone, saying this is the telemetry that, that the phone picked up now was a phone, but maybe there was a, the phone wasn't operating properly. You know, who knows knows. But that data he has, and his wife said, yes, this is, this is correct. He was gone. Another case that will probably come to light here, there was a very senior CIA officer who happens to be a friend of mine, I'm not going to mention his name here, but he, he's already come out a little bit and talked a little bit about this. His wife is also an employee for the CIA and, or was, and she was, I think, a psychologist for the agency. And they were living in their home in Virginia and they woke up in a complete panic and they experienced something very unusual in their home. And then they woke up on their back lawn in their backyard, both of them laying next to each other in the grass looking up. When he went back to CIA, the doctors found puncture in the back of his neck. But more importantly, his wife, when she sneezed, some sort of foreign material came out. What, what they described as looking like some sort of technological metal chip. And this is, this is someone from, from this CIA, right? And by the way, a senior guy at the CIA. So this is not like grandma seeing some lights in the backyard. This is a, a senior intelligence official for our government that said point blank this happened. And you know, there's people at the agency that are winning to this fact. So. Yeah, it's, it's, it's all right. It's very interesting.
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Okay. All right, I wanna, okay, let's just real quick. Are these things demons, in your opinion?
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Oh my gosh. You know, if you were to ask me, I think a lot of, a lot of things can fall under the category of a demon, but not necessarily in the religious perspective. I think, you know, having been to war, I, I've seen demons and, and they carry machine guns and you know, they, they do terrible things to innocent civilians. So I'm a little bit more probably liberal with my, my terminology of demons. I don't think that necessarily they're just demons in a, in a religious perspective, but it could also be that, that we are misunderstanding what a demon even is. I, I spent some time. I, I, again, they're not here to say anything, so I'm going to be a little general with this, but I've spoken to people from the Vatican and they have said that there is a long history of the Christian faith involving UAP and ufo. Those, it goes Back thousands of years. In fact, there's scrolls talking about these flaming Roman shields, what they call Eclipus, flaming Roman shields in the sky that would follow them from battle space to battle space. Of course, you had the Nuremberg incident that occurred in the 1500s, where entire groups of townspeople saw these things would look like an aerial dogfight of UFOs. And you can look that up too, if you want. Oh, this is. This is all publicly available, what I'm telling you. So this is not just speculation. This is. This is, you know, this is reality. There are some who who have. Have. Who have thought maybe the use of the. Of demons is a good way to keep people scared. And not looking into this topic too much, there were some people that said, really? Yeah, you know, are demons. And if you look at some of the apocryphic texts that you mentioned earlier, you mentioned Ezekiel's wheel, there's, you know, the Book of Enoch and several other books that if you read those, you know, there seems to be really interesting similarities between some of the sightings we see today and that are reported and some of the things that were witnessed thousands, millennia ago. So, you know, it's really hard to say, no, it's not real. It doesn't exist. Look, there were times that we thought there were ancient sea monsters in our oceans, right? And we had these. These sailors coming back with these fantastical stories of giant kraken and these huge octopus and. And mermaids. And it turns out in reality, we laugh about it, but the reality is now we realized that they weren't wrong. You know, we just now have names for them. They're called the giant squid of the Pacific. They're called a great white shark, right? They're called the baleen whale. And they are part of our natural environment. They're just part of nature. We now understand them. And they're not really monsters anymore. They're just part of our new reality, our new understanding of our reality. And it's quite possible that the topic of UAP may be very much the same way. We may be dealing with these things for millennia, and only now at the point where we're beginning to realize, you know, they're not really monsters, they're just maybe our neighbors. Right? So I like that better.
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But. But I just. When, though, like, okay, I think everyone's just over it at this point. All of this stuff is so insane. It's being floated out everywhere. Soft release, like, just release it. I think that it's. I don't know, Lou, when do they release it? Obviously, somebody knows a lot more than we know. And the president said, okay, full transparency, full disclosure. But then we got like, like crap that is being debunked online. Almost like a flare gun. Like, come on, just release it. When does it get released?
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I'm gonna ask you a quick question.
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I need to sleep. Lou.
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How do you. Let's say, for example, and, and I'm gonna. I haven't done this before with anybody. So let me ask you this, and there's no right or wrong answer. Let me, let me, let me play host for just a minute here. Ms. Michaels. You know what? You're right. The government's been lying for 80 years to the American people and we want to come clean. And the fact is that we know a lot more about these things. They can do things that we can't do and might even have an agenda. And that agenda may or may not necessarily be our agenda. What questions would you start asking me?
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But that's weird. Okay, one judgment anyway.
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So let me respond to you with my.
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Okay, yeah, we've known about it for
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the last 85 years and we've actually had some near misses and potentially some deaths as a result of, of these encounters. What would be your next.
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People are worse than that, though. I still would not. Some deaths is nothing, right? We get some deaths. There were three people that were stabbed outside of Whole Foods in Venice in a week. So, like, I can handle some deaths. When I put that in perspective, it's not that bad. My next question would be, what do you think their agenda is?
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We have no idea, Ms. Michaels, what their agenda is. What we do know is that they have a capability that far exceeds ours. And again, I'm just. I'm playing the role here. Right. So. And there may have been some of our people injured, and we have no idea what they want. But we do know that they're interested in our military equities and certainly interested in our nuclear capabilities. What would your next question be?
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Okay, well, the thought is they are so far advanced than us that there's nothing we could really do anyway. They're leaps and bounds. Thousands of years.
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Bingo. You just said it. That is that there is no way any government who the people have. Have trusted with their faith and confidence to protect them. Remember, the primary directive of all governments is to protect and defend its people. To say there's nothing we can do about it. Right. That. That would cause so much social angst, not just even from a religious perspective, but from a governmental perspective. Wait a minute. You mean to tell me I'm supposed to have faith and confidence in you as a governmental institution? I'm paying you tax money to protect me and to make decisions on the betterment of my. On the behalf of my own children and my grandchildren. What do you mean you don't know their intent? What do you mean there's nothing we can do? What do you mean there's not a damn thing I can do about it. If I go outside and one of these things wants to pick me up, it can do that. And you're okay with that? Well, wait a minute.
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But, Lou, there's a bad guy around the corner that can pick me up. This is what I would try to say is. Listen, this has been going on for a very long time. You know, like there's a homeless guy that hacked a guy's arm off in Los Angeles last week, and no one can stop it. Nobody can stop humans from hurting other human.
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You're right. But we can at least haul them to court and we can at least try to get some sort of social justice to some degree. I don't disagree with you. I think. I think human beings are horribly violent to each other. I think we have our own problems. But when you're talking about something that is potentially decidedly not human at all, and we are having a conversation that potentially requires government, all governments, to say there's nothing we can do, there's not a damn thing we can do about it, that carols is a tremendous amount of fear and anxiety within a population. And keep in mind, the only reason why governments even work is because human beings, us, the citizens, have placed faith and confidence in those institutions to make decisions on our behalf. And what happens is when they start losing credibility because they're not telling the truth to the American people. They're not, they're obfuscating. That starts eroding that, that faith and confidence. So now you've got two issues. Now you've got an issue where you have to go back to the American people, people and say, you have to admit, look, we've been lying to you for the last 80 years. And oh, by the way, you can trust us now, you know, because we're trying to figure this out and, and we have your better interests at heart. It would cause a tremendous, tremendous amount of, of social backlash. Now, there were some studies done in the past, you may be aware of this by the government. If disclosure happened today, what would happen? And several think tanks like the Rand Corporation had a big study on this, said, you can't do this. You absolutely cannot do this because it will cause fear and panic amongst the society. People will, you know, make a run on Wall street and try to take their money out and all that. Now, of course, it seems like nonsense now, but that was a very real fear. And in fact, all the way till 2004, there was at the White House, there was a meeting for a week where some top individuals, top scientists and speakers all got together on behalf of the White House in 2004. And the White House said, if we came, if we came honest, tomorrow we became honest and truthful and we decided to have disclosure Is the time now for us to be honest with the American people and talk about the fact that alien life may exist. All the scientists were giddy to have this conversation. After a week, it was unanimously decided. And these are, by the way, from scientists who wanted to have disclosure. All agreed that we're not ready for it, that it would, it would cause too much social angst. And those individuals I can, you can actually talk to, and it's better to have them tell you this because they were actually there for these meetings. This is well before my time, and I like you, I was equally frustrated. I'm like, you mean to tell me you guys actually had a meeting about this over at the White House? It was sponsored by the White House. And at the end of all this, you, you said, no, that's exactly what happened. They said that the population wasn't ready for the truth. So again, I think this is Worse.
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Here's why I think this is worse. It's the devil you don't know. On top of all of this, other disappearing scientists and creatures living at the bottom of the ocean. And I was gonna ask you about these eggs with alien writing on it, but it's all the same. Literally, it's all the same. It's all insane. Oh, people are being abducted and devices are blowing out of their. I mean, it doesn't get worse than what we already know. And then it's kind of like what you don't know grows into something, I think, that is more nefarious. And I just think people would feel more comfortable with the truth. I really do. I. I just. I don't know.
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I agree.
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That is my take on it.
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I think the truth shall set you free. You know, I think the truth is I. I think. I think the American people can handle the truth. I think they deserve the truth. But it is not without consequence. You know, sometimes the truth. And I said use this before about the truth, you know, every. We all want the truth until sometimes we get the truth and it's not what we want. Right. You go to the doctor. Hey, Doc. How you doing? You got my blood work back? Yeah, Lou, but you got stage four cancer. Oh, crap. You know, maybe that's a truth I really didn't want at that moment, or maybe I did because now I got a chance to fight it, or. Hey, man, what do you guys think of my. Of my new. My new boyfriend or my new girlfriend? Right? They're wonderful. What do you guys think? Well, you want to know the truth? Well, yesterday we saw him at the bar, you know, kissing somebody else. Oh, you know, shoot, maybe I didn't want to hear that. So, you know the truth. I agree with you. I think we should always, always strive to tell the truth. I think the American people deserve it. And I think that the American government is beholden to the will of the American people. I strongly believe that it is. It is the government's job to serve the people, not the other way around. And this is why I'm doing what I'm doing. Because even if the truth is incompetent, convenient, or uncomfortable, I still think the American people deserve to have to know the truth and let them decide for themselves. I don't think anybody has a right to withhold the truth from the American people. And that's exactly what's happened for many, many decades. And. And this is why this. This problem is so difficult right now to. To handle, because we spend decades telling American people. One thing only to come back and say, oh, yeah, by the way, funny.
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B
Haha.
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A
We. Just joking. Just kidding. This is all real. And by the way, now you can trust us to, you know, tell you the truth moving forward. Okay, how does that work?
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B
Okay. Okay, first question before my last or. Sorry, two more questions. First one is, is there anything I should have asked you that I didn't? Anything I missed?
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A
Let's see, I'm a Gemini. I like long walks on the beach, pina coladas. No, no. Excellent. In fact, your questions are phenomenal. I applaud you because obviously you did your research. You know, you. Every one of your questions is extremely thoughtful, and I think a lot of your audience is probably having the same, same burning questions as you do. It's going to take time. I've told people disclosure is a marathon, it's not a sprint. We are. People say, well, Lou, when are we gonna have disclosure? I think you're having it now. It's just happening in a way, like you said with the frog and the boiling water. Right. If you do it in a way where it's slow enough, then, then people's reactions can be, you know, more managed and. Okay, you know, that's, that's, that's the problem we're in right now. No, you've, you've asked me fantastic questions, and I, and I think as this, as we continue down this, this, this long path of, of disclosure and truthfulness, I think there's going to be a lot more questions and some of them are going to be a lot harder to answer, to be honest with you.
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B
Okay, this is a silly one, but I cannot help but feel like the world in the 2000s is a very different world than what I'm living in, in the 2000 and twenties. And we've had to contend with some of the craziest stuff, whether it's the Epstein scandal or shutting down the world over Covid or now this. Do you think this is silly and it's just for fun? Have you ever heard of this Mandela effect that arguably we've been pulled into a parallel universe?
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A
I want to just show you one fault. I often tell me that all the time when we look at something, she's like, there's no way that happened. And then it happened just, you know, a year ago, or it happened 10 years ago. And that time is always off for them. And they swear by it. They're like, dad, you got to look into this Mandela effect thing,
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B
Lou. Okay, so the argument theoretically is that at CERN The Large Hadron Collider, like, shifted the weight of a single particle or something to that effect. And, like, we were all plunged into this parallel universe. And that's why things that we remember very vividly are not the same or never existed. So I just. Part of me is like, did we just. Like, maybe that's what happened. Maybe that is what happened. And now we have alien abductions and, you know, demonic rich people that eat humans. And maybe, you know, maybe that's what happened. So I just want to play a quick game with you before I let you go and see what you think about these things. Hold on a second. So these are just a few. A few Mandela effects. So they're questions. And then if the team is able to, we'll pop up the graphics. So do you remember Scooby Doo?
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A
Absolutely.
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B
Okay. Do you remember Shaggy from Scooby Doo?
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A
Absolutely.
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B
Does he have an Adam's apple or not?
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A
I always thought he had an Adam's apple because he was kind of frump.
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B
He does not.
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A
He does not. I'll be darn.
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B
Nope. No Adam's apple.
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A
Lou, you're right.
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B
Where is his Adam's apple? I remember being creeped out by his Adam's apple. But that's okay. That's not a new version of the cartoon. He never had an Adam's apple. Next one, Mickey Mouse. See if you can envision him right now and his outfit. Does he or does he not have suspenders?
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A
No, I thought that was Minnie Mouse that had a little dress. And I don't remember him having suspenders. Unless it was maybe back when he. He was doing Steamboat Willie. I don't remember him having suspenders, but I remember.
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B
You're right. No, you're right. He has no suspenders. Okay. Okay, here we go. Do you remember the performer, Sinbad?
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A
Of course.
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B
Okay. Did he or did he not play a genie in a movie? No.
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A
I thought he was a comedian and then he had a TV show. But I don't remember him playing a genie. But I could be wrong.
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B
No genie in a movie called Shazam. You're correct. I never played a genie. And yet I remember Shazam. And so does my wife. But you don't. I remember very clearly that he played,
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A
but I'm also mentally limited. I'm not as smart as you.
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B
No, you're correct. You're right.
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A
You're right.
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B
Okay. No, you're Lou. You're right. Okay. So, ready? Here's another one. The famous peanut butter brand. Is it Jif or is it Jiffy?
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A
People Call it Jiffy, but I think it's Jif.
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B
God darn it, you're right.
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A
This is annoying.
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B
You're part of it. Okay, hold on. Okay, the kids book with the bears. Is it the Berenstain Bears or the Berenstain Bears?
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A
I thought it was Berenstain Bears, but I could be wrong. I thought it was Berenstain Bears.
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B
What universe are you from? You're from that other universe because it was the Berenstain Bears. But you're right, it is the Berenstain with an A. Bears. It's the Berenstain Bears. Nobody called it the Berenstain. Okay, hold on a second. Okay, do you remember Curious George? The monkey?
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A
Oh, of course. Are you kidding me? Yeah.
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B
Does he or does he not have a tail?
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A
No, he doesn't. He walks like a human and his own. His buddy was his big guy with a big yellow hat, but he had no tail.
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B
Lou, you're not from this universe because he doesn't have a tail. But everyone remembers him with a tail. He does not actually have a tail. You're correct. Never had a tail. All right, just a few more. Just a few more. If you get this one, I'm gonna be so pissed. Okay, the Monopoly board game guy, does he or does he not have a little eye monocle thing? Wow.
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A
Well, what I want to say is that he does, but I'm looking back when I used to play the game as a kid, I don't remember him having it, but it seemed like on the COVID of the game, he had a monocle. But. But come to think of it, when I would look at the cards, I don't remember him actually having a monocle. I. I don't think he had a monocle.
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B
All right, you're correct, But I remember so clearly that he had a monocle. You don't. Okay, you're correct. You never, ever had a monocle. And yet I for sure.
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A
Okay, well, I was wrong on Shaggy because I would. I'd be willing to bet a paycheck, which isn't very much, that that Shaggy had an Adam's apple, you know?
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B
All right, I'm gonna let you pick the next one. Do you want to do Silence of the Lambs, or do you want to do I Love Lucy?
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A
Oh, my goodness. Let's do them both.
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B
Okay. Did Hannibal Lecter say good morning to Clarice, or did he say, hello, Clarice?
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A
Wow. I always thought. I thought he said hello, but I could be wrong. I thought he said hello. It was good morning.
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B
Good morning. Just good morning. There's no hello, Clarice, didn't exist. Never said it. All right, now then, did Ricky say to Lucy, Lucy splain. Explain that. Or did he say, lucy, you have some splaining to do.
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A
Oh my goodness, I have no idea. I don't remember which. Which I think you have some explaining to do. But I haven't seen that show in so long. That's just a 50. 50 shot. I think you have some explaining to.
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B
So Lucy splain. Lucy, you have some splaining to do. He never said just Lucy splain. Explain that. Never said Lucy, you have some explaining to do.
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A
You know, there's one too.
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B
Do you have time?
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A
I got one for you. Casablanca.
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B
Oh yeah.
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A
Where he played against him.
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B
He never said it.
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A
That's right. He never said it. He never said Play it again.
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B
He never said it.
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A
That's right. That's right.
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B
Darth Vader never said, luke, I'm your father.
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A
That's right.
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B
This can't be possible. And this whole thing started because a lot of people thought that Nelson Mandela died in prison in the 80s only
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A
to find out that he became president. That's right.
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B
Died in 2013. Yep. Yeah, I know, I don't remember that. But I didn't, I don't remember reading his biography until around 2010. 20. Right around 2010. So I could have been behind the eight ball on that one. Having said. Okay, I got two more good ones and then I promise. Well, there's, there's hundreds of them actually. And then I'll let you go. Okay, Fruit of the Loom, the underwear brand. How do you see the fruit on the label in your head? Describe it to me.
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A
I see the apple, I see the grapes. Guys, men, grown men dressed in fruit outfits. And you know, kind of, that's, that's what I remember. I remember them literally wearing cheesy fruit outfits.
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B
Do you remember if the fruit was in like a little cornucopia? Like a little basket
- [114:08]
A
on the live action. I don't remember them being in a cornucopia at all. I remember them just kind of dancing around silly on, in front of my, my TV set and in a little.
- [114:19]
B
Not the commercial though. Just the label on the back of the underwear. Just the label.
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A
I do not remember a cornucopia.
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B
You're right, there is no cornucopia. I very clearly remember that frickin basket. And it never. Not a thing. Didn't exist. Didn't exist. Okay, one more, one more. Because like there's Like I said, there's hundreds of these. What color is C3PO?
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A
Oh, my gosh. It depends what scene. Sometimes he's gold, sometimes he's more of a silver. Yeah, he was. He, he, he. Depending on the light, if he was out in the desert, it looked a little bit shinier. Usually he. Peter there I. As gold or silver.
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B
Huh? One color.
- [115:11]
A
Well, so C3, primarily gold is how I remember him. But there were. There were shots when he's on the desert where he appeared more silver. Maybe it was a different outfit that they. They were stuck with. But I don't remember him more other than those colors as either a gold or a certainly metallic. And it was gold most of the time, but in a couple scenes. Scenes, it appeared more silver depending on the light.
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B
So you're suggesting a discrepancy over the tone of the metallic.
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A
Possibly, yes. And the fact that possibly different suits were used. And during editorial being. No one. No one paid attention. You know, there's a lot of times you look at movies now, you're like, oh, hey, that's an editor's problem right there. They. They didn't do that. Right. You know, but it slipped through.
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B
Okay, what if I told you that he is gold with one silver leg? Would you believe me?
- [116:04]
A
I don't remember with one silver leg ever. I don't remember that.
- [116:10]
B
That's always at C3PO. Lou.
- [116:15]
A
Wow. Wow.
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B
Yeah.
- [116:18]
A
Wow. Maybe there's a. There's a wormhole here.
- [116:21]
B
I got you on the last one.
- [116:23]
A
Let me in. Yeah, for sure. I also blame, though, my. My mental state. I'm an old guy, you know, My. And, and by the way, I am a man, so my wife always tells me we're limited. She's absolutely correct. So, you know, my mental acuity is certainly not. Not on par with. With. With yours.
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B
Well, do me a favor. When we're, you know, when we're done run in there, just ask her what color C3PO was and text it to me, because I don't know anybody that remembers him having a silver leg.
- [116:55]
A
I'm gonna have her watch this episode. I'm gonna have to watch this episode because all 10 of those were fantastic. I'm like, man, that's a really good question. I want to know how many she's gonna get. That's what we'll do. We'll sit down and we'll actually watch this episode. This is great.
- [117:10]
B
Be sure to, like, share, comment, and subscribe, Lou, please. Because it helps a ton with the algorithm.
- [117:15]
A
Absolutely.
- [117:16]
B
Honestly, all jokes aside, You, You, I. I cannot thank you. You enough for your time. You know how, how much I appreciate you. I have got to get over there to come see you, but I, you need to be in town and you need to be okay. Please, dude, I, I say this with all sincerity. Be. Be careful.
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A
Yeah, I, I appreciate that. And, and I'll also let me just a moment here to thank you for what you're doing. You know, a lot of this I know is, it's relaxed and, and we have. Have fun, but I also know it's a very serious topic and, and I want to appreciate. I want to say thank you and I appreciate you. You giving some voice to this, this topic. You know, you're right. It was just eight years ago, nine years ago. It would be a career ender for any of us to have this conversation. And because of people like you, finally, people are, are, are finding out the truth. Our government's taking it seriously. Our executive branch and our legislative branch or members of Congress and the President and the Secretary of War or Defense, however you want to call it, and other countries, you know, Japan is, Is now actively reaching out to share UAP information with, with the American government. I mean, there's, there's huge steps being taken. And because people like you can have a rational conversation about this and, and you know, asking the questions that everybody wants to. Wants answers to, I think you're making a heck of a difference. This is disclosure. Don't look now, but this is it. You're part of that. And one day, history will look back, and I think, I think we'll judge you very fondly for it.
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B
Yeah, well, I'm not the one who put my life on the line whistleblowing on the Pentagon. So I can't thank you enough for that and for always answering my questions and for taking the time to deal with all this crazy stuff that I send you in our little signal chats. I'm like, Lou, what is this? Talking me off of a million different ledges as well as the audience. You're magnificent. And if there's ever anything I can do to try to be helpful, please.
- [119:25]
A
Oh, you are. And you also have a fantastic audience. Look, being someone in an audience, sometimes we don't really understand or appreciate just how much value the audience really, really means to this conversation. And if anybody in your audience right now have listening to the end of this conversation, know that they are very much part of this conversation as anybody else. This is. We are only succeeding together because enough people are paying attention and want to Learn more and want our government to take action. That's not because of Lou Elizondo. That, that's because of, of everyday people out there making calls to the, to the member of Congress, writing letters, sitting around the dinner table, sitting around the water cooler at work and just saying, hey, you know, what do you guys think about this? Spielberg's coming out with a new movie, obviously, because there's an appetite for this, this conversation. So it's, it's happening. And it's happening in large part because. Because of people like your audience. So, you know, huge heartfelt thank you to all of them as well, especially for their patients. Hear me drone on and on and on and on, so.
- [120:32]
B
Oh, please. And by the way, everyone get the book. It's called Imminent, and hopefully there is another one on the way that I know you're working on. There's a lot more that you can learn in it. Lou, thank you again, man. I will continue to bother you and I'll reach out to you about your Pilates protocol shortly.
- [120:51]
A
Please do. Absolutely. Like I said, my, my daughters are kicking my butt and I had a bunch of old special operators in there and like I said, I'm not kidding, a bunch of 18 year old girls completely destroyed us. So, yeah, talk about having to put your ego, you know, stuff it away for a little while. That was a very humbling experience.
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B
All right, boss, thank you so much. You're fantastic.
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A
Thank you.
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B
I'm gonna. Anything, anything I should put in the show notes or anything like that, let me know and I. Oh, you got it. Send me something. God bless you this summer.
- [121:28]
A
Absolutely. And you can ask me any question you ever want. There's no off limits. And while I'm in dc, if anything you need me to do while I'm in dc, just give me a shout. Happy to do it. You know, I need you to live.
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B
I need you to live, buddy.
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A
I'm going to do my best with that.
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B
Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like comment, subscribe and share and make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.