Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels: MTG on the Epstein Archives, Trump’s Phone Call, & What’s Next

Date: February 15, 2026
Guest: Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG)
Host: Jillian Michaels

Episode Overview

This gripping episode of Keeping It Real sees Jillian Michaels sit down for an unprecedented and candid conversation with Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG). Once a polarizing Republican Congresswoman, MTG famously sacrificed her political career after clashing with Donald Trump in her fight to release the Epstein files—the documents that have, according to Michaels, created “a sonic boom heard around the world.” Together, they dissect the larger realities behind the Epstein scandal, the interconnectedness of global elites, the failures of government accountability, and the existential rot within America's institutions. The discussion goes much further than sensational headlines, exposing how the Epstein network exemplified the leveraging of exploitation at the apex of power.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Epstein Files: Beyond Sex Crimes

• Jillian’s Framing (00:28):
  Michaels challenges the media’s narrow portrayal of Epstein as simply a sex offender, emphasizing his broader role as an “influence machine” that connected egos, institutions, and entire industries.

  “He was literally the dark connective tissue of a global elite that operates above the law.” – Jillian (00:27)

• Greene’s Vindication & Dismay (03:35):
  MTG discusses the unsettling feeling of being proven right about entrenched elite abuse, and the devastation in seeing institutional inaction despite damning evidence.

  “It’s terrible to be right about many of these things… it would be much better if they were all wrong.” – MTG (03:36)

2. Awakening to Corruption: From Conspiracies to Documented Crimes

• Mainstream Labels & Internet Research (04:44): MTG describes her evolution from skeptical business owner to outspoken skeptic, driven by asking forbidden questions and being labeled a conspiracy theorist for doing so.

  “Many times asking these questions made me look crazy. And now... people are losing their minds, rightfully so, over what has come out.” – MTG (05:59)

• Covid as a Tipping Point (10:07, 11:10): Michaels and Greene agree that Covid shattered public faith and prompted a mass re-examination of “who runs the world.”

  “It was like us going back to kids... where we didn’t grow up with cell phones... forced to stop and look around and seriously ask, what the hell is happening?” – MTG (10:44)

3. Interlocking Corporate Power

• Monopolistic Corporate Web (07:47):
  Michaels explains the uncanny ownership structure connecting BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard, suggesting there is essentially “one company that owns the controlling shares of everything."

  “They own each other... It’s all just one company, basically, that owns the controlling shares of everything.” – Jillian (07:47)

4. Epstein's Ties to Pandemic Planning & Population Control

• Emails With Gates & Pandemic Leverage (14:03, 16:22): Michaels recounts emails between Gates’ team and Epstein, which suggest discussions on digital health control, neurotechnology as “weapons,” pandemic simulations, and, chillingly, eradicating the poor.

  “How do we get rid of poor people as a whole? I have an answer…” – Read by Jillian (16:22) “Getting rid of poor people... that’s the most repulsive thing ever.” – MTG (16:46)

5. Systemic Exploitation Through War & Disaster

• Ukraine as a ‘Business Model’ (22:28–26:43): Michaels details how Epstein, elite financiers, and politicians viewed Ukraine’s turmoil as a financial opportunity, with explicit reference to the Rothschild bank and Larry Fink (BlackRock).

  “It turns out they’re now in a war... you owe that money back, and the World Bank is gonna force you to give over your mineral rights…” – Jillian (23:40)

• Disaster Profiteering and Geoengineering (36:32–41:32): MTG talks about the reality of geoengineering (“cloud seeding”), weather disasters for profit, and Gates’ controversial sun-dimming projects.

  “They are actually already doing it. They are 100% spraying it into the sky to reduce the amount of sunlight, block out the sun.” – MTG (39:56)

6. Culture War as Distraction; Elite Collusion

• False Left vs. Right Divide (14:02, 85:34): Michaels and Greene both acknowledge that the divide-and-conquer “culture war” is a ruse to keep the public from noticing bipartisan elite cooperation.

  “Here we are going to war with each other, which I have always said is a ruse. I’m like, this is a distraction.” – Jillian (14:02)

• Universal Accountability

  “We don’t care who it is. We want all of them held accountable. And thank God for that.” – MTG (13:45)

7. The Systemic Blockade to Change

• Congress Controlled by Donors/Lobbyists (43:03–47:20): MTG gives an unvarnished account of how legislative mechanisms and party leadership protect entrenched interests, shutting down reformers.

  “Most members of Congress and most senators are largely controlled by the richest donors in our country, and [by] the lobbyists that represent the biggest industries in our country. And that is a just a flat-out fact.” – MTG (43:13)

• Release of Epstein Files Blocked by Both Parties (51:15–59:44): A detailed account of how House/Senate leadership from both parties (and direct pressure from Trump) engineered government shutdowns to prevent release of the files.

  “...the House floor [was] shut down for eight weeks to prevent that Democrat... from being sworn in... to sign the discharge petition.” – MTG (56:46)

• Personal Cost: Threats & Political Exile (68:09–74:54): MTG explains her break with Trump and the personal danger she, her family, and other dissenters have faced.

  “The President himself texts me back... tells me that it’s my fault, that this is totally my fault. He blames me for the death threats coming in on my own son, has no compassion…” – MTG (72:55)

8. Revelations of Deeper Sadism and Networked Corruption

• Disturbing Evidence (74:54–79:45):
  • Documentary evidence includes references to Epstein importing “Massacre of the innocents” artwork to his ranch, code words (“jerky,” “pizza”) potentially referencing ritual abuse or cannibalism, and emails with Steve Bannon about hacker groups as a greater threat than the military.

  “Hi, Rich. Jeffrey is asking if you can FedEx the painting he had made of the Massacre of the innocents to the ranch...” – Jillian (75:02) “These people are so evil.” – Jillian (77:36)

• Systemic Evil

  “It’s power and money. It corrupts and it rots people’s souls.” – MTG (80:07)

9. Populism, Left-Right Unity, and What’s Next for MTG

• Possibility for a New Movement (85:34–88:21): Jillian describes a theory of “left wing economic populism and a right wing social populism” joining forces, which MTG says she is open to (“I just love people... let’s pull a movement together across the country to say enough.”).
• What Can Citizens Do? (89:25–94:03): Both agree that public awakening must translate to mass collective action, not faith in existing party leaders—though neither prescribes a silver bullet.

  “It takes many people... to create that plan. I don’t think one person can do it on their own.” – MTG (90:05)

• MTG’s Personal Future (94:12): Now out of Congress, she is focusing on speaking out, family, and catching her breath but signals interest in building a cross-aisle movement.

10. Coping in an ‘Outrage Overload’ Era

• Advice for Listeners (95:55–97:41):
  • Both acknowledge the overwhelming and paralyzing effect of all these revelations.

  “Don’t fall into the doom cycle… it’s healthy to put it down, get outside, touch grass, go do something fun... because no single person can do it alone.” – MTG (95:55)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Elite Network:

  “There’s almost no mechanism of exploitation in the last 50 years that Epstein wasn’t facilitating or profiting from.” – Jillian Michaels (00:28)

• On Moral Universality:

  “Thank God... the one thing that has brought the right and the left together in this country.” – MTG (13:45)

• On Direct Pressure from Trump:

  “The President...is chewing me out for signing my name... to release the Epstein files... He tells me on this phone call, he’s like, Marjorie, my friends will get hurt.” – MTG (62:57, 63:31)

• On Institutional Rot:

  “Many members of Congress... I can’t tell you how many late nights we’re on the House floor voting. And they’re drunk... slurring their words... And this is what’s running your country.” – MTG (93:02)

• On Hope and Resilience:

  “Don’t allow this stuff to rob you of your joy and your happiness in life... because no single person can do it alone.” – MTG (95:55) "I'm all for bringing the right and the left together and going after the real villains." – Jillian (98:05)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Epstein Files as Systemic Leverage – 00:27–03:35
• Origins of MTG's Awakening & Vindication – 03:35–07:43
• Corporate Power Web (BlackRock, Vanguard, etc.) – 07:43–10:07
• COVID, Health Data, and Elites' Pandemic Planning – 14:03–16:46
• Ukraine as Resource Target; Epstein-Rothschild Connection – 22:28–26:43, 26:43–31:33
• Stymied Government Reform, Insider Obstruction – 43:03–59:44
• Trump Pressures MTG to Back Down – 62:02–74:54
• Evidence of Sadism/Cannibalistic References – 74:54–79:45
• Prospect for Left-Right Populist Alliance – 85:34–88:21
• What Can Citizens Do Now? – 89:25–94:03
• MTG on Her Next Steps & Future Priorities – 94:12–95:55

Conclusion:

Tone:
Unfiltered, urgent, occasionally grim but determined; defiant refusal to be cowed by establishment “capture”—and a call for empathy and critical thinking above blind loyalty.

Final Thoughts:
This rare, in-depth discussion goes far beyond headlines, offering a unique and sometimes chilling look at both the human cost and the structural nature of elite abuse of power. MTG’s story—her victories, her regrets, and her warnings—serves as both an indictment and a call to wakefulness.

Connect with MTG:

• Socials: Former Rep MTG / @MTGreene (with 2 e’s) on X

Recommended Listening:
Start around 00:28 for the “big picture” on Epstein’s influence.
Don’t miss 62:02 for MTG’s account of her phone call with Trump and its aftermath.
For actionable advice and a moment of hope, see 95:55–97:41.