Nancy Mace JUST EXPOSED THE WHOLE DAMN SYSTEM

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels

Episode: Nancy Mace JUST EXPOSED THE WHOLE DAMN SYSTEM
Date: May 3, 2026
Host: Jillian Michaels
Guest: Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC)

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Episode Overview

In this candid and combative episode, Jillian Michaels sits down with South Carolina Congresswoman Nancy Mace, known for her fearless approach to politics and willingness to take on both parties. The conversation ranges from congressional corruption, attempts to increase transparency, and the realities of violence in America, to the current Middle East conflicts and Nancy's campaign for South Carolina governor. Throughout, Mace pulls no punches—discussing abuse of power, dysfunction in Washington, the influence of social media on political violence, and her vision for reform at both federal and state levels.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nancy Mace's Reputation & Combativeness on Capitol Hill

• Mace is described by Michaels as a “modern day political gangster” who "fear[s] no one and go[es] after everyone."
  • “My best friend is my dog, I don't have any friends up here.” (Mace, 00:07)
• Montage of flashpoints highlighting Mace’s brash language and confrontations with both parties.
  • “If you want to take it outside, Mr. Chairman… I am reclaiming my time.” (Mace, 02:33)
  • Mace emphasizes her advocacy for women:
    “I want every woman and girl to know in the country, you have a friend and you have a sister in me, and I will fight like hell for you every day of the week.” (Mace, 02:33)

2. Exposing Congressional Harassment and the "Slush Fund"

• Michaels presses Mace on her failed resolution to release records relating to congressional harassment settlements:
  • “Over $18 million in taxpayer funds used to settle roughly 300 claims... and it was rejected 357 to 65 to kill that resolution.” (Michaels, 04:52)
• Mace points to bipartisan leadership “whipping votes” to suppress transparency:
  • “Both parties did that. You saw 357 people vote against releasing that and making it public.” (Mace, 05:45)
  • Emphasizes her motivation as a survivor and advocate for women:
    “This isn't political for me. This is deeply personal.” (Mace, 08:13)
  • Mace vows to “publicize the hell out” of any records her subpoenas uncover.

3. Hostility and Dysfunction in Congress

• Mace discusses efforts to expel “bad actors” in Congress and her own party’s attempts to retaliate against her:
  • “Because I've taken so many people on, I expose these people... I don't have any friends up here.” (Mace, 09:33)
• Asserts deep bipartisan protectionism:
  • “If we take one side out, we got to take someone else on the Other side... It's always a tit for tat, a quid pro quo.” (Mace, 09:33)
• Describes the resulting lack of accountability as a root cause for public distrust.

4. Effects and Causes of Political Violence and Polarization

• Both Michaels and Mace decry rising political violence, hate speech, and celebration of assassinations; both agree social media fuels extremism:
  • “Social media is the downfall of civil society… With the algorithms, they are fed what they want to see, and it feeds this mental illness.” (Mace, 12:51)
• Mace describes living with security threats due to her outspokenness and criticizes unequal enforcement against political threats:
  • “I have to hide where I live... I wear a wig when I go out so that I'm not recognized.” (Mace, 12:51)
  • “If they're from a blue state, they'll never be arrested.” (Mace, 15:09)

5. Critique of Left-Wing and Campus Alliances

• Michaels questions why progressive Democrats campaign with figures like Hasan Piker, referencing violent rhetoric:
  • "He just said, we need to soak the streets in the blood of conservatives... Why would somebody like Ro Khanna align himself with Hasan Piker?” (Michaels, 15:33)
• Mace responds with her own experience facing attacks and the need for both parties to hold their own accountable:
  • “There has to be a line in the sand at what's civil and right.” (Mace, 16:18)

6. Political Courage, Authenticity, & GOP In-Fighting

• Mace explains why few politicians follow her lead:
  • “Most people operate out of fear ... I don’t operate with fear, I just plow forward.” (Mace, 20:50)
• Cites her overwhelming primary win, despite heavy spending against her, as proof that authenticity wins:
  • “I won by 26 points. I was outspent 5 to 1… because people want to hear the truth.” (Mace, 20:50)
• Emphasizes small coalition of like-minded, outspoken conservatives: Anna Paulina Luna, Lauren Boebert, Tim Burchett.

7. Ilhan Omar, Internal Roadblocks, and Holding Democrats Accountable

• Mace details her attempt to subpoena Rep. Ilhan Omar's records:
  • “It was a Republican that led the blockade [against subpoenaing Omar].” (Mace, 23:40)
• Frustration with inaction from both parties:
  • “When you can't get things done through the traditional channels, you have to find an alternate route.” (Mace, 24:03)

8. Outreach to Young Voters

• Mace argues Gen Z is trending strongly conservative—contrary to public perception:
  • “This is a generation that many of us wrote off... But when you get to know this generation, they're actually not all blue haired. There are some pretty staunch and strong conservatives.” (Mace, 26:29)
  • Advises reaching out via their platforms, especially TikTok, and warns not to “poo poo” their channels.
  • Acknowledges challenge of inspiring youth turnout:
    “We have to have someone inspiring on the ballot. Donald Trump was inspiring to them. They love him.” (Mace, 29:30)
  • Warns that young men, in particular, feel excluded due to DEI.

9. Reaching Female Voters & Communication Challenges

• Mace self-reflects on her “alpha” style, drawing in women with results but polarizing with her tone:
  • “They like what I'm doing, they don't like how I get there.” (Mace, 32:31)
• Both discuss the rare allyship among women in politics and contrast “toxic feminism” with authentic support for both sexes:
  • “We need men. ... We need strong men that will go to war for us and protect us and fight for us.” (Mace, 34:54)
• Michaels pushes back against extreme anti-masculine rhetoric and calls attention to Mace’s balanced approach.

10. Middle East, Iran, and U.S. Military Policy

• Mace expresses grave doubts about transparency in classified Iran briefings and concern over poor briefers:

  • “We were either being misled or lied to and I didn’t like that.” (Mace, 36:01)

• Current state seen as positive: on “ceasefire path,” no boots on the ground, “President in a very strong position.”

• On what “victory” should mean:

  • End use of U.S. aid to fund proxy terrorism
  • No ground war without defined “exit strategy”
  • “We need to be sure Iran will not build a nuclear weapon or get them from Russia or China.” (Mace, 38:18)
  • References long history of failed regime change in the Middle East

• Mace on U.S. pain tolerance for military engagement:

  • “People just don’t have the pain tolerance for that, for their children going to war to die in the Middle east right now.” (Mace, 41:57)

11. Who Benefits from Global Instability and Congressional Gridlock?

• Mace suggests entrenched interests profit from endless conflict and resist change:
  • “There are companies... that make a lot of money when we're funding both sides… industries get fed by conflict… It could be the farming industry, it could be the military industrial complex, it could be big pharma.” (Mace, 45:00)
  • Blames lobbying and institutional pressures for stalled progress.

12. South Carolina: Mace’s Vision for Governor

• Mace outlines goals:
  • Eliminate state income tax, address affordability and cost of living
  • Tackle corruption, especially in the judiciary and law enforcement
  • “If you are raped or you're a victim of a child predator or robbery or kidnapping, something like 86% of kidnappings are just dismissed in South Carolina.” (Mace, 47:20)
  • “We have one of the highest rates of domestic violence. Almost 50% of every domestic violence case gets dropped...” (Mace, 47:20)
  • Pledges to clean house and “clean the swamp” at state level
  • “People are sick and tired of the haves versus the have nots, the two-tiered system of justice. The Epstein files, people are done with that. They want to see people put in jail.” (Mace, 48:50)
• Discusses South Carolina’s rapid growth and the need to keep it prosperous and safe

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On being a political outsider:
  "I don't have any friends up here. My best friend is my dog." — Nancy Mace (00:07)

• On congressional harassment settlements:
  "Both parties did that. You saw 357 people vote against releasing that and making it public." — Nancy Mace (05:45)

• On women and leadership:
  "I want every woman and girl to know in the country, you have a friend and you have a sister in me, and I will fight like hell for you every day of the week." — Nancy Mace (02:33)

• On political violence and social media:
  "Social media is the downfall of civil society... it feeds this mental illness." — Nancy Mace (12:51)

• On Gen Z conservatism:
  "They are very, very, very, very conservative. Extremely conservative. They're like MAGA, ultra, ultra MAGA." — Nancy Mace (26:29)

• On the need for transparency and change:
  "This isn't political for me. This is deeply personal." — Nancy Mace (08:13)

• On entrenched special interests:
  "There are companies out there... that make a lot of money when we're funding both sides of the conflict." — Nancy Mace (45:00)

• On South Carolina reforms:
  "I can clean house. Like, I can clean the swamp in South Carolina." — Nancy Mace (48:50)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:02 – 02:33: Montage of Mace’s greatest hits and confrontation style
• 04:52 – 08:13: Congressional harassment settlements & “slush fund" vote
• 09:33 – 12:51: Internal dysfunction and retaliation in Congress
• 12:51 – 16:18: Political violence, social media, and security fears
• 20:50 – 24:03: Courage in politics, why authenticity matters
• 23:29 – 24:53: Blocking subpoena of Ilhan Omar
• 26:29 – 30:32: Gen Z, TikTok, and youth engagement
• 32:31 – 34:54: Communicating with women, female leadership styles
• 36:01 – 41:01: Iran/foreign policy, military engagement, and U.S. strategy
• 45:00 – 45:55: Who profits from endless gridlock and war
• 46:30 – 49:46: South Carolina campaign, corruption, and reform

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Conclusion

This episode showcases Nancy Mace's relentless approach to activism and reform, her deep frustrations with DC gridlock, and her ambitious vision for both South Carolina and national politics. Whether discussing congressional cover-ups or engaging the next generation of voters, she remains unapologetically direct—and committed to breaking the entrenched patterns she believes are harming the country. Listeners gain unfiltered insight into the battles raging behind the scenes and a preview of what it means to “keep it real” in contemporary American politics.

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Transcript

[Jillian Michaels]

She's been called the GOP's biggest headache. The woman who takes on everyone.

[Nancy Mace]

Because I've taken so many people on, I expose these people and I expose them. I turn them into law enforcement when necessary, I turn them into Congress. I subpoena people. I don't have any friends up here. My best friend is my dog, a

[Jillian Michaels]

modern day political gangster, and she's getting to be the governor of South Carolina. Nancy Mace is here to weigh in on everything from. From Iran to Ilhan, and she's pulling no punches.

[Nancy Mace]

I don't. I don't know anything shy of maybe putting him in a mental institution and not letting him out. Put him in a straight jacket.

[Jillian Michaels]

Here we go. Keeping it Real with Jillian Michaels. Congresswoman, welcome to the show. How are you?

[Nancy Mace]

I'm good, thank you, Jillian. Thanks for having me on. Super excited about speaking with you today.

[Jillian Michaels]

I'm pretty excited about speaking with you as well. In preparing for this interview, I came across what I think is a pretty fantastic montage that encapsulates your we'll say chutzpah in about a minute and a half. And I want to start by showing it to you guys. Will you toss this up for the congresswoman, please?

[Nancy Mace]

You're full of today.

[Jillian Michaels]

This is Nancy Mace, South Carolina congresswoman, firebrand and no stranger to controversy.

[Nancy Mace]

So I tell my colleagues across the other side of the aisle, take your salty tears and sit right back down. Known for her bold language and clashes on Capitol Hill. Are women allowed to speak in here or no? Mace is now eyeing a bigger stage, a run for South Carolina governor. They said state of Lions. I smoke up. They said play nights. And I fought back.

[Jillian Michaels]

Despite past criticism of President Donald Trump,

[Nancy Mace]

I hold him accountable for the attack on our Capitol last Wednesday.

[Jillian Michaels]

He's praised the congresswoman, Nancy Mace. Where's Nancy?

[Nancy Mace]

She's something. Here's a look at Nancy Mace's greatest hits. You are the epitome of white privilege coming into the Oversight committee, spitting in our face, ignoring a congressional subpoena to be deposed. What are you afraid of? You have no balls. I can't get over the gentle lady from South Carolina talking about white privilege. I was accused by my colleague on the other side of the aisle about my white privilege. I take great pride as a white female Republican to address the. The inadequacies in our country. And child, listen, I want y' all know, I am no child. Do not call me a child. I am no child. You will not do that.

[Jillian Michaels]

Order.

[Nancy Mace]

Chairman, I am reclaiming my time. If you want to take it outside. Mr. Chairman. I'm wearing the scarlet letter after the week that I just had last week. Being a woman up here and being demonized for my vote and for my voice, I want every woman and girl to know in the country, you have a friend and you have a sister, and me and I will fight like hell for you every day of the week. One of my favorite things to watch on YouTube these days are the court hearings, where illegals are in court and ICE shows up to drag them out of court and deport them. Does this advance the interests of American citizens? Paying for in Guatemala to the tune of $2 million. I have a fantastic pro life voting record, but I also understand that we cannot be to women. This is a continued conspiracy with the mainstream media, with the fake news who cover up, make excuses for, and hide the truth from the American people because they're in bed with Obama, they're in bed with Democrats, they're in bed with the far left, and they will do anything in their power to hurt Donald Trump, to hurt conservative Republicans.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, my gosh. I was cracking up. They say that you fear no one and you go after everyone, and that seems to be true. What makes you so fearless, honestly, in such a dangerous environment?

[Nancy Mace]

Well, I actually just walked out of the Speaker's office moments ago as well, trying to negotiate an issue that we're having with one of our Republican colleagues who needs to be expelled. You know, I. I guess I come from a place, you know, I'm the daughter of a retired general, and we spoke about this. I just buried my father last week. He was the most decorated graduate in Citadel history while he was alive. But he taught me the value of hard work. He taught me the. To speak up and to stand up for myself regardless of the consequences, to do it right, do what's right when nobody's watching. And I guess I maybe didn't realize the consequences of speaking the truth and speaking up in the way that it is today. You're not allowed to, particularly, I think, as a conservative or as a woman. I mean, I was demonized last week as I was planning my father's funeral and burying him. I had a member of my own party trying to expel me last week. Like, you know, you just. You just can't make this up the way that. That Congress or Washington operates.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, I wonder if it's not because of things like this. So I don't want to mess this up. I made my notes here. You introduced a resolution to force the Health Ethics, the House Ethics Committee to publicly release records of harassment investigations and settlements involving members of Congress between 97 and 2019. It's estimated that over $18 million in taxpayer funds were used to settle roughly 300 claims of workplace harassment and discrimination in Congress. And it was rejected 357 to 65 to kill that resolution. First of all, that's infuriating. Why did that happen? That is such an indictment of all your colleagues. It's staggering.

[Nancy Mace]

Well, I'm a survivor and you played a clip of me on the floor earlier telling, sharing one of my, my stories, horrific stories that happened about two and a half years ago. And I sort of feel like I'm this Robin Hood. I have this proclamation, this urgent need to right the wrongs of others because I've been through such a broken and such a corrupt justice and court system. And you know, when I see these things happen, I just want to go to bat for women and kids everywhere. And whether it's women who work on the Hill, whether it's against my colleagues, Republican or Democrat. But it was sides, it was the leadership of the Republican Party and the leadership of the Democrat Party that whipped votes against that resolution that would expose a harassment slush fund and harassment accusations of members of Congress. Both parties did that. And you saw 357 people vote against releasing that and making it public. Like if you or not, if we, if the average American was arrested for something, it's immediately on the jail website. It is right there. And people judge you for what it is. You get exonerated or made guilty later. But Congress is different. The rules are different because we have political privilege, because it is politics, because it is a government, because we do have power. And to me that's just wrong. And then when that vote failed, I watched female members of Congress lie to the American public and say, well, that bill, that resolution didn't protect women who are victims, which was a bold faced lie. I had provisions in there because I'm a survivor that would protect the personally identifying information of any witness or any victim in all those cases. And I was very meticulous about it because I'm involved in a court case right now where I had women come forward who are victims of rape and the judge put their names out in the public, even though that's against South Carolina law. And so, you know, I just have this insane, intense, I think, motivation to protect women and kids and to protect people who can't protect themselves because they don't have a voice. I can be that voice for them because I just want to do what's right, no matter what. And then so when that happened, I went to the oversight committee and I issued a subpoena. So we will be getting these slush fund records any day now. They have not come out yet, but we'll get them any day now. And I will publicize the hell out of them once we get them, because this isn't political for me. This is deeply personal. And every taxpayer, every voter in the country should know what's really going on behind the scenes up here.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Nancy Mace]

Yeah, I'm not familiar with that program. It was before my time, but nothing. I wouldn't put it past Congress. And I would believe that could be the reason why it doesn't exist anymore. That seems very realistic to me. You know, it wasn't until Swalwell, until all this information about Swalwell came out while he was running for governor, that really we got this second win, the second chance, the second run at getting people out of Congress. I've been trying for months to get Tony Gonzalez expelled to get him kicked out of Congress. And it took Eric Swalwell's downfall to get Tony Gonzalez out. Because up here, it's always an eye for an eye. If we take one side out, we got to take someone else on the Other side, it's always a tit for tat, a quid pro quo, because they want to protect each other. They want to protect their own. And by protecting. To protect their own, they got to protect both parties. So you can only do one at a time on each side. And so that's one of my deepest frustrations. The math. Math is math. And if you're a bad person, you're a predator, You're a. You're. You're a wife beater, you're stealing money from, you know, from taxpayers, or you're defrauding the government, you're lying on your financial disclosure forms as a member of Congress, you gotta go. And I don't care what your political affiliation is, because we're not giving the American public any reason to trust us. And the only way we're going to change this place is by changing the people we send here who are honest, who have integrity, that will do what's right no matter what. Which is why this Corey Mills situation, why we're still covering for him. You know, that I just, to me, is just an abomination that we allow this sort of behavior to go on. And, you know, I met with a speaker and I told him this is a hostile work environment for us. Not so many of us. I mean, to be up here while I was burying my father last week, I had a member trying to expel me for. For. For nothing that was truthful or honest. And using the words of an alleged predator against me. You know, I just. Because I've taken so many people on, I expose these people and I expose them. I turn them into law enforcement when necessary, I turn them into Congress. I subpoena people. I don't have any friends up here. My best friend is my dog.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, I don't mean to laugh, because the. The reality is, I would imagine that environment is scarier than ever, considering, you know, we just had our third attempt on the President's life. And I, for one, am exhausted. There was a guy, I want to read this to you, a conservative pundit named Matt Von Swall. And everybody's like, you know, going at each other and pointing.

[Nancy Mace]

He's from North Carolina. He's terrific.

[Jillian Michaels]

And he posted this. And I thought, this is how I feel. All I know is that I'm on the side that doesn't kill anyone, nor celebrates the killing anyone, nor fantasizes about the killing anyone just for winning an election. That's what side I'm on. And I think that so many of us are just exhausted with how vitriolic and how aggressive. And all of the rhetoric, why does it come down to calls for violence? I don't understand why it isn't done through proper channels like you're doing. It's like, okay, I'm going to subpoena your immigration records. Ilhan Omar, we're going to go after you the right way. I get that. But when it's just clip after clip, if I want to punch him in the face and we need to go to war, why are politicians doing this? I think it's repulsive, and I think the American people are sick of it.

[Nancy Mace]

I think social media is the downfall of civil society. I think a lot of this started when. When social media came online. And before that, the Internet people have this window, and with the algorithms, they are fed what they want to see, and it feeds this mental illness. I think in the country that violence is okay. They're excusing it. And I have to tell you, because I've been so vocal on so many issues, whether it's about rape or whether it's about transgenders, whether it's about women or men's issues. Like, whatever it is, I. I've been there to. To right the wrongs, but, like, I've had to hide where I live. I have to. If I don't have someone carrying a gun or I'm not carrying, or I'm alone, I wear a wig when I go out so that I'm not recognized. I walked into a grocery store yesterday to pick up a couple of snacks here in D.C. and the first work grocery worker I saw walk in was like, hi, Rep. And so, you know, you just, when you are that, not, know, noticeable, people know you for your politics, and they don't like it. Anything's possible. We just all watched on live television, Charlie Kirk get gunned down, assassinated, executed in cold blood in front of his wife and kids. And people mocked it, they made fun of it, they celebrated it, and some of those people lost their jobs, which is the right answer. But some of them were able to get tenure as professors for celebrating political violence. And anytime you call them out on it, you know, they just deny it and they lie. I just. I want to get back to normal. And in fact, I'm. I am, you know, ruminating on this idea that maybe, what if I just don't have security, right? What if I do the opposite of that and, like, you know, try to just, can we just be normal again? Can we give hugs away instead of punches? Like, you know, how do we get back to, you know, pre social media, where people were just so violent with their words. The crazies out there, the lunatics that listen to the Ted Lo of the world, like this maniac did last weekend. You know, how do we. How do we get them back to normal? I. I don't know anything shy of maybe putting them in a mental institution and not letting them out. Put them in a straight jacket, put them in jail. I mean, I've had so many death threats. But if they're from a blue state, they'll never be arrested. They don't. They won't arrest a Democrat who's threatening the life of a Republican. It just doesn't happen.

[Jillian Michaels]

I was looking into why young people are becoming so disenfranchised. You know, you learn about this guy, Thomas Allen, and there's clearly mental illness there, but he was radicalized over time. They're all radicalized over time, just like Tyler Robinson. It's like the same story in our

[Nancy Mace]

schools, in our colleges and universities.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yale just had Hassan Piker speaking. I can't think of an individual who was more sick and more terrifying. And he just said, we need to soak the streets in the blood of conservatives. And there he is interviewing with the New York Times as they're fluffing him and speaking on stage at Yale and campaigning alongside Ro Khanna and AOC and Ilhan Omar. And all I can think to myself is, why would somebody like Ro Khanna align himself with Hasan Piker? What is that? At least I don't see Republicans aligning themselves and campaigning with Nick Fuentes. Why do you think the Democrats are doing that?

[Nancy Mace]

I mean, and I have buried the hatchet with Roe, but, like, when I had a transgender rush the stage to physically attack me, I don't know, about a year, year and a half ago, Roe, minutes afterward, got up and defended the guys, right? To rush the stage at me physically. You know, I didn't speak to Ro for a year after that. You know, I just. Because there has to be a line in the sand at what's civil and right and that we have to, as members within our own party, step up when it's our own members that are crossing the line, which is why you have seen me hold people in contempt who are Republican, people who are in contempt for Democrat. I'm trying to expel a Republican member right now who allegedly beat a woman and told her to lie about it, who is stolen valor and who is allegedly doing arms deals overseas as he sits on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. So, like you know, we have to be willing to bring people back to normal, back to civil, so that no more, no one else gets killed. And then we can stop the assassination attempts on President Trump. I mean, this is happening, all these, this is the most, the most attempts anyone's made on a president's life is on Donald Trump's life because the lunatic left has brainwashed these people into thinking that the blood of Trump is, is a worthy, is a worthy sacrifice and worth it and should be celebrated because he's a Nazi. And I just, you know, we, we can't allow this to go on anymore. And quite frankly, we need to build mental hospitals, give people jackets and, and lock them up so that they're not out. And I don't know if these people can be rehabilitated. I mean, I, I just, the way that they've been so indoctrinated. There are very few Matt Van Swoles out there. Matt. And he got enlightened and awakened and now he's telling that story over and over again. I love hearing that story because it's just honest and it's just truthful and it's raw and it's rare. We need more men like him.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Nancy Mace]

I think most people operate out of fear. So there's always fear about the next re election or fear of not being able to raise money, that sort of thing, you know. And I have, I just, I don't operate with fear. I just plow forward. You know, I, I sometimes can be a little bit of a bull in a china shop when I'm doing the right thing. But to me it's, it's real, it's authentic and that's worth more than any dollar I could ever raise. I've been in some pretty gnarly races. I mean my last race in 2024, I think the Republicans spent over $7 million against me in my primary. I won by 26 points. I was outspent like 5 to 1. And I won overwhelmingly because simply because I told the truth and simply because people want to hear the truth and they want to see someone who's going to fight for them and hold others accountable. And I'm fighting upstream. I now have two other women that are by my side. Part of my trifecta, that's Anna Paulina Luna and Lauren Boebert. We have Tim Burchett in our corner too. So we're building a small coalition of conservatives that are operating that manner, that are taking to social media, that are putting the truth out there, regardless of the consequences and getting it done. And unfortunately, up here, sometimes you have to threaten people to get in front of them. Sometimes you have to make threats that are genuine and real and authentic and honest for the right reasons to get anything done. Up here. It's sad the way that it. That's the way we have to operate, but it works. And I've been very successful with it, which is why I want to be. I want to run for governor because I've learned so much up here that I can do a lot more as governor to help people in my state that are struggling. And so I want to take everything that I've learned and just implement it statewide because I want. It can be done. And I want to show how each state, each governor can do it in each state to make us more prosperous than ever before. Because Congress is broken. And if we can't kick people out that beat women, I don't know what we're doing here, quite frankly, or that beat other people up, too. I mean, there's just. There seem to be very few standards. And I'm actually very grateful that Democrats kicked Swalwell out and gave him the door because that opened it up for us, unfortunately, to get a little more courage to do the right thing with some of our own members.

[Jillian Michaels]

Can I ask. I just did this whole expose on Ilhan Omar. Prior to that, I just found her offensive. You know, you were given asylum here. You're anti the west, you're anti American, you're a race baiter. I didn't like her, but I didn't really ever do any homework into the claims. Now that I have, I'm a pretty big believer that they're all true. You tried to subpoena her records.

[Nancy Mace]

Yep.

[Jillian Michaels]

And it was blocked by a bipartisan vote. Explain to me why.

[Nancy Mace]

Again, blocked by Republicans. It was a Republican that led the blockade.

[Jillian Michaels]

Why?

[Nancy Mace]

Yeah, they. They've done this to me before when I've been trying to hold people accountable that either shouldn't be on committees in Congress, should be censured, should be expelled this time. This was in January. I subpoenaed or tried to subpoena Ilan Omar and her brother. Husband's air quotes.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Nancy Mace]

Immigration records. Because we all know what happened. We all know why it happened.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Nancy Mace]

Want to prove it to the American people. Even the president. Trump is. Was all about it. And it was Republicans on my own committee who decided to tank the subpoena because they didn't like the fact that I was, I guess, doing this and said there was a whole other process we should go through. The Ethics Committee that hasn't done anything in two and a half years. Well, they just did McCormick, which was good. But that was such a big case. It took two and a half years to do. But when you can't get things done through the traditional channels, you have to find an alternate route, which is what I was doing. And it was my own party that stopped me. Crazy how we got that boat. And to me, I just, I just live and die by the sword. I live and die by the truth. And I live and die by delivering what I said I was doing, what I said I was going to do when I got elected. That's my job.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Nancy Mace]

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[Jillian Michaels]

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[Nancy Mace]

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[Jillian Michaels]

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[Nancy Mace]

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[Jillian Michaels]

podcasts and we also have a YouTube page as well. YouTube.com politicsbyfaith you're running for governor. How do you get these kids out to vote? I think they're all blackpilled. They're feeling nihilistic. And the only way anybody really tries to appeal to them is by offering them free stuff, which then is either a disaster or never arrives. And they get angrier. And you end up with Alex Preddys and, you know, this guy that just tried to assassinate Trump. How do you communicate with young people and say, listen, you know, you gotta have some hope in the country. We have to go through some harder times. You gotta dig in. Instead, everybody kind of panders to this victim mentality. What should the GOP be saying to young people?

[Nancy Mace]

Well, first of all, we should be on their platform. They're on Tick tock. I mean, I have I have a child who's going to vote for the first time in his life here in a few weeks, hopefully for me, for governor, better me. I look at my children, my teen children, teenagers and, and young ones, and they are on Tick Tock. They're not on Facebook, which is where older voters tend to be. Some of them are on, on Instagram, they're on Snapchat. You have to go find them. But also we have to believe in them. This is a generation that many of us wrote off. Right. And they had Covid happen to them. They've been a little more shy. But when you get to know this generation, they're actually not all blue haired. There are some pretty staunch and strong conservatives. There is a brewing movement that is subcutaneous in American culture right now with young conservatives. College age, young 20s. They're quiet because they don't want to get killed. And in the wake of Charlie Kirk, they became more vocal. And we saw tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands are really high numbers of, of young people that wanted to start turning Point USA chapters in their high school or their colleges. And they have been very vocal. The thing about this generation is that they're also very conservative, Jillian. They're probably more conservative than you and I. Yeah. And I have to tell you, when I spend some time with these kids, I am inspired, I am hopeful and really encouraged. But they need the adults in the room, the older gener, to look at them and take them seriously. They have good ideas, they have conservative ideas. They want to be involved. But if we, you know, poo poo them or we, or we mock them or we mock the, the technology that they're on, they're not going to come with us. They don't want troops on the ground in Iran, by the way. They don't want to be drafted. I mean, their issues are a little bit different, but they are very, very, very, very conservative. Extremely conservative. They're like maga, ultra, ultra maga. What these kids are, it's pretty amazing to watch.

[Jillian Michaels]

I have two of them. One is a black immigrant female. I'm like, how did, how did this happen? And it's not me. It is not me. The kids are more conservative than I am. I'm a former Lefty. I'm a 90s liberal and my ex is like, yeah, I mean, 90s liberal.

[Nancy Mace]

Bill Clinton would be maga.

[Jillian Michaels]

I know, but they are exactly the way you describe them. And I watch very carefully. And my son was leaning into Charlie Kirk very heavily. And you know, I'm careful to make sure that he doesn't fall into that whole kind of horseshoe. Nick Fuentes and, and he hasn't yet so far. But there are people in his life to do what you're talking about. And it's not just me, it's other men that he has, you know, formed a mentorship with and he takes guidance from them. Um, but I love what you're saying about not poo pooing the platforms because I've been guilty of that. When you say that, I think, oh, Tick Tock, you know, I'll tell my kids that's where brain cells go to die. And now I'm like, wow, I do that.

[Nancy Mace]

That's. But that's where they get their news, right? If they're scrolling, they're scrolling on Tick Tock or maybe Instagram, but generally Tick Tock, I mean, they're there getting information and you know, I'll hear from my kids on what the latest thing is, what they're paying attention to politically. I wait for them to, I wait till it to bubble up, especially when mom's in the news. I don't tell them anything I'm doing right because I know what they find out, when they find it out and where they find it out to try to where young people are getting their information. Now our biggest challenge is getting them out to vote, which means we have to have someone inspiring on the ballot. Donald Trump was inspiring to them. They love them. Especially our male population who are young. They feel left behind because they're being looked over because of the whole DEI thing, you know. And so I just, we have to take them seriously. They're a very impressive generation and they'll be the generation that saves democracy. They'll be the generation that saves our country. It's not with any of us right now. I think it'll be with this younger group as they come through over the next decade. They're going to be the ones that save the world, quite frankly.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Nancy Mace]

I think it's how we talk about issues. And I'm, I'm guilty of this too, because I have very alpha energy. I'm just, I'm just right here and just sometimes just right in your face. Just a straight shooter, straight talker. I don't do emotion very well. I don't, I don't share feelings. I don't have feelings. Like we just go. I have two speed zero and I have go. And so I've watched myself struggle with female voters because of the way that I speak, the way that I. They like the end result. Now, don't get me wrong, they like it. They like what I'm doing, they don't like how I get there. And so I think when you're messaging and talking to women and it's just a little different in the way that I think that they feel about issues. They're voting on the economy, they're voting on affordability, they're voting on crime and law and order and illegal immigration, they're voting on education. You know, they're voting on all the issues. But I think it's how we communicate. It's something that I think we have to be more thoughtful about and it's something that I've put a lot of thought into, particularly the last year or so. I'm about to be 50. And I've done quite a lot. But it's also, I need to communicate better on. On what I've done because all the press says is cover the how, which can be a little messy, but it is very effective. And I think it's how we speak

[Jillian Michaels]

to them, you know, that's so interesting.

[Nancy Mace]

Policies, they like her policies.

[Jillian Michaels]

When you, when you speak and you're like, I want every woman to know she's got a friend and a sister in me. That resonates with me. You know, having been a woman that has a career, it's no secret that women don't really provide each other with a leg up. I think it was Madeleine Albright who said, there's a special place in hell for women who don't help other women. It's definitely a problem with women is we, you know, we gossip about each other, we stab each other on the back, and we tend to be gunslingers. It's like, oh, there's room in this town for one of us and it's gonna be me. So when I look at you, regardless of Democrat, Republican, on issues we may disagree on or not, when I look at you, I think, wow, that means something to me. I like to know she's got my back. I like to know she's fighting for me. You're not emasculating men while you're doing it. And you talk about an alliance.

[Nancy Mace]

I do emasculate leftists, the beta males,

[Jillian Michaels]

I guess, but not in any sort of way where you're demeaning them. You know, that, that men are talking about this kind of woke form of feminism that tells young men they're toxic. You don't do that. That's not at all. Not ever.

[Nancy Mace]

We need men. We need men in this world. We need real men because real men protect women. We need alpha males. Meat e. We need cavemen. Yes. We need strong men that will go to war for us and protect us and fight for us. Yes. Carnivores, carnivorous men is what we need.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, I want to actually talk about go to war. You walked out of a briefing about a month ago on Iran and you said something to the effect, correct me if I'm getting this wrong, that what is being told to Congress is not being told to the American people. Right now. Even this morning, I'm like, where are we on this? Like, we're in this weird ceasefire, but. Not ceasefire, but. But there's no boots on the ground. Maybe there could be boots on the ground. Iran says they'll open the street if Trump lets go the nuclear negotiation. But again, I thought they didn't have nuclear weapons. So that's really confusing. Where are we going with this? Because for you to walk out you must have had some serious concern. There must be something pretty legitimate about maybe putting boots on the ground.

[Nancy Mace]

Well, I mean for me I thought the briefers should have been fired based on the information that we were getting. I was not impressed. And these are probably more career type of people who've been in the, in, in government for government bureaucracy for far too long. We were either being misled or lied to and I didn't like that. And it was probably something the Secretary would have opposed and if he would have, if he'd have been that briefing, he probably would have fired them on the spot lot knowing how good and strong he is on holding his people accountable. But I had some very grave concerns about the information that Congress was getting. I think now we're in this place and I don't speak for the President, I don't speak for the Secretaries, Secretary Rubio or Secretary Hegseth or General Kaine. But I do see us in this ceasefire path where we are negotiating. Now there were some issues over the last day or so about, you know, who we were negotiating with, who had the authority to negotiate with us. We are in a much better position today. We don't have, we're not blowing things up every day. Things aren't getting bombed every day, all day. So that is a good thing. I don't know that the War Powers Resolution would apply necessarily right now. We're about to hit the 60 day mark, right? We don't have troops on the ground. I think everything that we want to do in Iran can be done without troops on the ground. Now do we need maybe some intel assets or certain special forces utilized Under a Title 10 or a Title 50 defense? Finish the job, I think potentially. But that all is going to depend on how negotiations go over the next few days and next few weeks. But I feel very confident in the administration right now, where we are right now and what's transpiring. I think the President is in a very strong position, probably the best position he's been in. And I think he'll be the one to bring peace to the Middle East. He's going to be the one to do that. And I was over there, I was over there shortly after the war broke out, helping to evacuate American citizens, particularly families from South Carolina and then a couple hundred others from all over the country. But I got to see some of

[Jillian Michaels]

that up close and personal, what does this victory look like then? It's not going to be regime change. Is it an amended regime? Is it a nuclear deal? How could you stop these guys from funding proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis? What do you think this exit strategy could look like? Or what. What would be this resolution, you think that could come about?

[Nancy Mace]

Previous administrations funded the terrorism, gave Iran the money that they're using for the proxies like the Houthis, like Hezbollah, like Hamas. You know, you've seen our own government do arms deals with people who then, you know, used money or munitions against us or our allies. I mean, you know, in a lot of these conflicts, we funded both sides, and that is the dirty reality of war, which is why when we have conflict, we need to, we need to get in and we need to get out fast. We need to make sure that we're not funding terrorism either through, through, through Iran directly with pallets of cash, or through proxies or USAID or NGOs or arms deals or anything of that. We need to make sure that we're going to be guaranteed that Iran will not build a nuclear weapon, that they won't go to Russia or China to get what they need to build a nuclear weapon, as has been posited in the past. And we need to make sure that we're not going to be manipulated by any other countries by the way, into going into a conflict without the right information, and that, that if we're going to be in a war, that we have our allies with us, that we get in and we get out and we have an exit strategy. There's not been one conflict in the Middle east in the last 70 years or in my lifetime where we had an exit strategy or that we actually won the war. I mean, try telling the Taliban that they lost in Afghanistan. They're getting 70 million, excuse me, $80 million a week, week from the U.S. government. We're paying the Taliban and we claimed victory. That's not victory when you're funding terrorist organizations overseas. So, you know, I think that we have to look at it through that long lens and understand that we've never done regime change successfully and that we've had real struggles in the Middle East. So this needs to have real teeth. And in order to ensure there are no more world. There are no world wars in the Middle east or anywhere else, that these countries that are so poor, Jordan and others, that, that and even Iran, at some point, with the right regime, with the right people if these countries are prosperous, there won't be terrorism because you're ruining the economies of prosperous nation. I mean, look at the way Iran was in the 1970s. It was normal as a democracy. It was very westernized. They were very educated, very successful, very wealthy. And so there wasn't conflict like that because they were so wealthy. And I think we have to figure out how we get back to that, those basics, but do it so that we're with our allies in the Middle east and they're with us right now, but working together to ensure the right mechanisms are in place. I think Secretary Bessant has been very involved with this. But the right carrot, the right stick is there for the right behavior. And I think we can change that behavior. But it's not going to happen overnight, doesn't happen in days, doesn't happen in weeks. It's going to take years.

[Jillian Michaels]

Do you think the American public has the patience for that? I find our pain tolerance to be very low these days because.

[Nancy Mace]

Very low.

[Jillian Michaels]

All transparency. I haven't gotten why people are so mad at him about this. I don't get it. I'm like, we've lost 14 people. The regime has killed hundreds of Americans over the last 47 years. He's wiped out their military. Yes. Gas is currently a little more expensive. I get it. He's working on it. They are working on a nuclear weapon. They had enriched uranium up to 60%. Just going through this, I'm thinking, I get why he's doing it. We still don't have boots on the ground and people are just, and this is going to cost the midterms. And I don't understand why we have no pain tolerance for the patients like years. I don't. How do you communicate that to America? Like, you guys got to stay strong or else?

[Nancy Mace]

Well, I think it's the fear of entering into another Afghanistan, the fear of entering into another Iraq where we know that regime change, change doesn't work. We know we've lost trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of American lives over a two decade period. And I think that's where the, the, the people's red line is drawn. I think they're okay with doing certain conflict. When President Trump did Soleimani in and out very fast, when he did Venezuela in and out very fast. When he's taken over a tanker here, a tanker there, he's been in and out. He's been successful at every military endeavor he's ever done. I think this one got very close to having troops on the ground. And that's where you saw the pain tolerance freeze. People, they don't want to send their sons and daughters into war if this ends up being about oil. Because one of the things that was brought up was carg island in that being the bottleneck to Iranian oil. But, you know, carg island, while important to them now, they could still produce oil without it. Right. And so I think, you know, the idea that we could lose 10 or 20,000 marines on an oil island really didn't sit well with most Americans. And so I think that's where there is a difference between a conflict and a war. And ensuring we don't have traditional conventional ground troops, because the number of casualties that we're talking about in a place like Iran, it is enormously high. Regardless, if we're talking about taking over, taking uranium out of a mountain, going into a carg island, the, the risk and projection for casualties is extremely, extremely high. And people just don't have the pain tolerance for that, for their children going to war to die in the Middle east right now because of what they saw in the Middle east for the last 25 years. And I think they understand that. And that's, I think your people are operating out of fear. They don't want their sons and daughters in war for this. So it's a different scenario today than it was 20 years ago. 9, 11 was different. Different.

[Jillian Michaels]

Right. Can I ask you real quick? And then I, I, I'll segue to the governor's race, and I, I promise you I wouldn't keep you forever, so I'll try to keep it tight. Can you explain to people? Because I don't really understand. Why are we paying the Taliban? Like, I could sit here and pretend like I get it, but I actually don't. Why are we doing that?

[Nancy Mace]

I, I don't, I don't get it either. So it must have been something that we negotiated with the previous administration, with the Biden administration, when we exited out of Afghanistan as a, as a means to get out of there without them blowing our people up. When we were exiting, it was a disastrous exit from Afghanistan. I'm assuming it was one of the deals that was cut. I don't know why, why we're doing this, but we are doing this today. I mean, it's going on right now.

[Jillian Michaels]

Trump can't stop it. He needs Congress to stop it. Or, like, who could stop it?

[Nancy Mace]

Congress holds the purse strings. This would be a congressional thing. And we're not, we're not ending it. It. And there are bills, I believe Tim Burchett has a bill for this. We've got lots of bills that address terrorism. We can't get passed out of the House right now.

[Jillian Michaels]

Do I dare ask you why

[Nancy Mace]

I can't answer that question? I'm not in charge. I mean, if it were me, I'd be. I would be doing. I'd be voting on 100 bills every day. We'd be rolling about regulations, we'd be defunding terrorism. There would be no usaid. I just. There would just. We would be all gone. None of that would be happening. But there are more powerful forces than myself who are involved, whether that's industries or that's lobbying. I mean, there are. There are companies out there that make a lot of money when we're funding both sides of the conflict. And, you know, I think there's a little bit of that that's going around too, that, you know, some of the. The industries get fed by conflict. They get fed by bills not changing, by laws not changing. It could be the farming industry, it could be the military industrial complex, it could be big pharma. But whatever that is, I mean, there's a lot of incentive for us to keep doing things that we've always done because somebody's getting fat on the back end with those dollars or those taxpayer dollars. At some point that has to end because it's going to break our economy, which will break democracy.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, my gosh. Okay, I get it. I can. I can read between.

[Nancy Mace]

I don't get it.

[Jillian Michaels]

I mean, I can read between those lines, though. I get it. Talk to me about South Carolina. What are the hopes? I heard you crushed the debate. I got to watch clips of it. What are you hoping to do with the state there? And I hate to say this, but after watching Abigail Spanberger take Virginia and already make a mess of things over there, I'm hoping it motivates people. I'm hoping the upside is they'll say, like, man, we got to get out and vote. What's the goal with South Carolina?

[Nancy Mace]

Well, we're the fastest growing state in the country right now because everyone's fleeing California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts. And we have, for example, one of the highest state income tax in the Southeast, least. And affordability and cost of living is very expensive for families today. And with gas going up and groceries where they are, you know, I'm going to get the state income tax down to zero. We have to address corruption in this country. I've not only addressed corruption within our justice system or injustice system at the federal Level. South Carolina is like a lot of states. We have pedophiles that are walking free. I wrote about a case Yesterday where a DEI judge let out a pedophile, convicted pedophile, with almost 2,000 images of toddlers as young as three being raped by animals. That guy got one day in jail, okay? And so I've met with families of murder victims whose cases aren't getting prosecuted in the criminal court system.

[Jillian Michaels]

There are more.

[Nancy Mace]

There are no trials anymore. There are no juries by trial. If you are raped or you're a victim of a child predator or robbery or kidnapping, something like 86% of kidnappings are just dismissed. In South Carolina, we have one of the highest rates of domestic violence. Almost 50% of every domestic violence case gets dropped at some point. A lot of these victims and survivors stop going to all the court hearings because it's just too much for them. And there's a reason why they get dismissed or they just stop pursuing them, you know. And so when I look at corruption in this country, we just had a state senator who was, who said that someone offered him $100,000 to vote a certain way on a bill. A state senator. So. And there's no investigation. So when we're talking about corruption, I've seen it at the federal level. I know as governor, I can clean house like I can clean the swamp in South Carolina. We can be bigger and better and more prosperous than ever. I'm talking to companies that want to invest in our state and, and make us more prosperous than we've ever been. We're talking about billions and billions of dollars. In fact, I just met with the treasury this morning about bringing rare earth minerals to my state to both to be processed and stored in foreign, foreign trade zones that we have here in our state. So there's just so much opportunity. We need someone who's going to be strong, who can lead and who will not back down. I think that's really important when we're talking about corruption issues. That issue might be more important than affordability at this point. People are sick and tired of the haves versus the have nots, the two tiered system of justice. The Epstein files, people are done with that. They want to see people put in jail. And it's not just by the doj. They want to see it at the state and local level. And that's what I bring to the table. I bring that in droves, which is why we are winning the governor's race right now.

[Jillian Michaels]

Congresswoman, I think you're fantastic. How can people support your campaign, especially if they don't live in South Carolina? Where can they donate? What can they do?

[Nancy Mace]

Yeah, they can go online to nancymace.org they can follow me online. I'm on X and Instagram and TikTok and Facebook. It's, it's Nancy Mace. Nancy R. Mace based Mace. I'm on all the platforms. I'm everywhere, all the time, trying to get out information, get out the truth. Because this is, this is a campaign that is powered by the people, not just by the people in South Carolina, but people across the country. They want someone who's going to work hard, who's going to tell the truth, and who's going to throw people in jail that deserve it. That's what they want.

[Jillian Michaels]

And if I could just say one more thing to everybody listening who does not live in South Carolina, look at what they're doing to redistrict these states. You have to donate to GOP candidates if you don't want to see that happen. Even if it's not your governor or your senator, you have to pay attention to that stuff coming to every state. It's, I, I am so deeply alarmed, but I, I, I could keep you forever. I'm not going to do it. Hopefully I'll get another chance to talk to you about this stuff. You are wonderful. Please call on me if I could be supportive in any way. Keep doing what you're doing and please stay safe. Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please like comment, subscribe and share. And make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future. Some follow the noise. Bloomberg follows the money. Whether it's the funds fueling AI or crypto's trillion dollar swings, there's a money side to every story. Get the money side of the story. Subscribe [e-mail].