Navy SEAL Warnings: The Truth About Bondi, Brown U, & The Terror Next Door - Carl Higbie

Summary

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Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels

Episode: Navy SEAL Warnings: The Truth About Bondi, Brown U, & The Terror Next Door – Carl Higbie

Date: December 17, 2025
Guest: Carl Higbie – former Navy SEAL, host of Newsmax’s Frontline, author of "Profiles in Freedom"

Overview

This episode dives into the intersecting issues of recent global terror attacks, radicalization, immigration, crime, and gun rights. Jillian Michaels and Carl Higbie discuss the Bondi Beach shooting in Australia, chilling campus violence at Brown University, the political fallout in the US and abroad, and the deeper societal questions over assimilation, Islamophobia, gun laws, and public safety. The conversation is raw, unflinching, and challenges listeners to move beyond polarizing labels in hope of understanding and action.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Terror at Bondi Beach & Patterns of Radicalization

• Recap of Events: Two gunmen (father and son) attacked Jewish families at a Hanukkah celebration on Bondi Beach, leaving 15 dead, 40 injured. The father was shot by police; the son is critically wounded ([01:21]).
• Radicalization: The son reportedly became radicalized over the past year while studying the Quran and Arabic in Australia ([12:53]), highlighting how even second-generation immigrants can become susceptible if integrating into insular sub-communities.
• Community Response:
  • Higbie questions the lack of broad condemnation from the global Muslim community ([02:37]):

    "Where is the wide condemnation from the Muslim community? ... Everybody who does is getting labeled an Islamophobe." – Carl Higbie ([02:37])

  • Jillian plays a viral clip of Ahmed Al Ahmed, a Muslim man who disarmed one of the shooters, symbolizing the duality within the community ([04:22, 04:59]).

2. Statistics & the Challenge of Islamophobia

• Radicalization Numbers:
  • Citing Biden’s State Department, Higbie asserts “8–10% of Muslims are radicalized,” ready to commit violence ([05:54]).
  • Jillian references Pew Research: “16–15% justify or sympathize with violence”; other intelligence estimates go higher ([06:09]).
• Public Debate:
  • Michaels describes being called a “white nationalist” on Piers Morgan for bringing up these statistics ([06:54]), underscoring how charged and divisive the topic is:

    "They both just called me a white nationalist. I got a black kid and a brown one ... But the reality is you can never just have an honest conversation." – Jillian Michaels ([07:19])

  • Both agree radicalization is a minority, but the scale still means millions of potential extremists due to Islam’s size ([06:09]).

3. Assimilation, Immigration, and Cultural Tensions

• Assimilation Debate:
  • Higbie recalls a CNN panel where a guest voiced concerns about “genital mutilation” and “living under Sharia law,” and contrasts the track records and assimilation patterns of white South African migrants versus others ([08:03–09:52]).
• Jillian Pushback:
  • She argues that acceptance is not about skin color, but beliefs and behavior:

    "It’s not about food and fashion. ... It’s about 'chants of death to America'" – Jillian Michaels ([09:52])

4. Religious Texts and Violence

• Quranic Duality:
  • Jillian describes reading the Quran at Carl’s suggestion, noting both peaceful verses and later “sword verses” that call for violence against non-believers ([11:46]).
  • She expresses confusion over reconciling these polarities, emphasizing she's agnostic, with no agenda ([11:46]).

5. Wave of Recent Incidents and Security Policy

• Multiple Threats:
  • Bondi attack, foiled Christmas market plots in Germany, Hamas weapons networks, and shootings in Virginia and LA from radicalized actors noted as evidence of a broader crisis ([17:40–18:38]).
  • France cancelling New Year’s celebrations for fear of Islamic terrorism ([18:38]).
• Western Empathy vs. Security:
  • Michaels laments the West’s “beautiful melting pot” is challenged by refusing to acknowledge radicalization, leading to polarization and risky policy inaction ([18:57, 19:35]).

6. Right-Wing Extremism and Crime Statistics

• Government Definitions:
  • Higbie disputes official FBI statistics labeling the “alt-right” as the #1 terror threat, explaining the manipulation of data (e.g., categorizing illegal immigrants as “white” in arrest logs, inflating "white terrorism" numbers) ([23:42]).
• Domestic Terrorism Accusations:
  • School board protests and conservative activism being labeled as “domestic terrorism” to paint an exaggerated threat ([24:48]).

7. Campus Violence and Security at Brown University

• Murder of Republican Club VP:
  • Discussion of the killing, delayed suspect identification despite hundreds of cameras, and speculation about motives for targeting conservatives ([28:32–29:45]).
• Weapon-Free Zones:
  • Brown University is a weapon-free campus, but incidents reveal students are “sitting ducks” ([38:43, 39:08]):

    "Our banks are protected by armed guards ... Everybody’s protected by armed guards except for our children that are protected by a little stupid sign ... This is a gun free zone." – Carl Higbie ([40:35])

8. Gun Rights, Gun Control & Law Enforcement

• Australian Gun Reform Critiqued:
  • Higbie recounts Australia’s sweeping gun buybacks haven’t kept criminals from being armed, noting the increase in illegal guns ([33:24, 35:23]).
  • Highlights how police failed to intervene decisively at Bondi, while a civilian (Ahmed Al Ahmed) did ([35:23]).
• Second Amendment Intent:
  • Higbie frames gun rights as a bulwark against government tyranny, not just personal safety or hunting:

    "The Second Amendment was designed to allow the American citizen to rise up and defeat their government should they become tyrannical." – Carl Higbie ([41:46])

• Defensive Use of Guns:
  • Cites “50,000 acts of violence stopped annually by lawful gun owners,” with many cases never reported ([37:16]).
• Gun Free Zones:
  • States 97% of mass shootings (3+ victims) occur in gun-free zones, making citizens more vulnerable, with children bearing the brunt ([40:35]).
• Background Checks & Mental Health:
  • Michaels asks about the efficacy of background checks. Higbie supports them only if applied to all rights—voting included—cautioning that legislation post-tragedy tends to be reactive and ineffective ([45:07, 46:31]):

    "Never shop when you’re hungry ... never legislate when you’re scared." – Carl Higbie ([46:43])

9. Assimilation & Understanding Extremes

• Why Hate Spreads:
  • Jillian shares concern that extreme anti-white rhetoric (from the left) could fuel pushback and drive youth toward actual white nationalism ([26:36, 28:32]).
  • Higbie argues extremist voices amass followers because people feel dismissed or silenced, not truly understood ([25:57]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Honest Dialogue:

  "You can never just have an honest conversation. Of course people are developing Islamophobia because they’re seeing this and they’re scared."
  — Jillian Michaels ([07:19])

• On the Purpose of the Second Amendment:

  "The Second Amendment was designed to allow the American citizen to rise up and defeat their government should they become tyrannical like Great Britain did to the colonies."
  — Carl Higbie ([41:46])

• On Gun-Free Zones:

  "All the same people that are like ‘gun control, gun control’ ... our government officials, our judges. Everybody’s protected by armed guards except for our children... 97% of recent shootings of more than three people...have been in gun free zones."
  — Carl Higbie ([40:35])

• On Motivation for Mass Shootings:

  "There were no mass shootings at schools and kids brought their guns to school because hunting was like a part of culture back then … more guns don’t equal more crime."
  — Carl Higbie ([41:46])

• On Legislation After Tragedy:

  "Never shop when you’re hungry ... never legislate when you’re scared ... Politicians legislate so they can stand there and … say, ‘look at what we did, it’s so good.’"
  — Carl Higbie ([46:43])

• On Enforcing New Laws:

  "You have 68% of law enforcement officers in ... Connecticut that refuse to comply with that new law ... Not one arrest has been made in conjunction with that law."
  — Carl Higbie ([47:41])

• On the Scale of Radicalization:

  "It's not the vast majority of Muslims. It's not. It's just that you have a very radicalized faction. And because Islam is so big, it's still a heck of a lot of people."
  — Jillian Michaels ([21:16])

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Important Timestamps

• [01:21-06:54]: Bondi Beach shooting facts, radicalization statistics, media reactions and Islamophobia charges
• [11:46-12:38]: Jillian on reading Quran, wrestling with violent verses and religious dualities
• [17:40-18:57]: List of recent terror-related incidents in Europe and US
• [23:42-25:34]: FBI stats, manipulation of crime and terrorism data, defining domestic terrorism
• [28:32-29:45]: Brown University shooting, conservative students as targets, campus security concerns
• [33:24-35:23]: Australia’s gun laws, effectiveness, and armed citizens versus criminals
• [37:16-38:16]: Examples of mass shootings stopped by lawful gun owners
• [40:35-41:25]: Gun-free zones, children’s vulnerability, calls for armed defense
• [41:46-43:23]: Second Amendment’s revolutionary intent and historical context
• [45:07-46:43]: Background checks, mental health, fair application of restrictions to all rights
• [46:43-48:21]: Legislation under duress, why new laws rarely solve immediate safety concerns

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Closing

Carl Higbie encourages listeners to confront hard truths, get genuinely educated about firearms, and recognize the pitfalls of reactionary, emotional legislation. He and Michaels both seek nuanced solutions, wary of both left and right-wing extremes. Higbie can be found daily at 6pm on Newsmax and via his book “Profiles in Freedom.”

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone concerned about security, liberty, and the cultural challenges shaping today’s politics—offering a forthright, provocative discussion that doesn’t shy from controversy while demanding more nuance in the national conversation.

Transcript

[A]

From the blood stained sands of Bondi beach to the halls of the Ivy League, this has been a horrifying week. Fifteen dead in Australia, a mystery gunman vanishing from a weapon free campus at Brown University. And while the FBI is busting bomb plots in California, Texas is officially declaring the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization.

[B]

Where is the wide condemnation from the Muslim brother community?

[A]

We're witnessing a clash of civilizations. Then a fierce debate over immigration and whether we should be arming or disarming in the face of all of this.

[B]

The bad guys will always get guns. And we have this beautiful second amendment right here that gives people like me the ability to not only defend myself against bad guys, but also against a government that doesn't want to play by the rules that they're supposed to live by.

[A]

Joining me to break down the tactics, the theology and the reality of self defense is former Navy SEAL with two combat tours in the Rock, the host of Carl Higbe Frontline on Newsmax, and of course author of Profiles and Freedom. Carl Higby is here. Keeping it real with Jillian Michaels. Hey boss, how are you?

[B]

I'm good, how are you?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

I don't think you could ever look like that. Perfect. Quite dashing now. So much better. Now you're presentable. Before you were terrifying looking, but now I just. Sam and I fique. I can't help but feel a bit rocked obviously by the week and the irony of the fact that you just, you just warned me about this a few weeks ago. So to recap, anybody who is not up to speed, I have the facts of course. We've got terror on the sands of Bondi Beach. Hundreds of families gathered for Hanukkah by the sea celebration. Two gunmen, a father and a son, opened fire on the crowd. 15 people were killed, 40 people were injured. The 50 year old father was shot dead by police on the scene. His 24 year old son Navid remains in critical condition. And we were literally just talking about the fact that Texas issued a proclamation labeling the Muslim Brotherhood and cair, the Council on American Islamic Relations as foreign terrorist organizations. And I was asking you like is this Islamophobic, is this racist? Are we being paranoid? And here we are. So what is your initial reaction to this? Obviously from the top, I mean my.

[B]

Initial reaction is I told you so. But also where is the wide condemnation from the Muslim community? We had Zudi Jasser on the other day to talk about this stuff and he's like one of the few people out there who's like, he's like, look, I'm a Muslim and I think this is bad and we need to address it. And nobody's calling it out. And everybody who does is getting labeled an Islamophobe. And it's not Islamophobic. It is. You have the fundamental point here is there's 55, 56 Muslim countries that we recognize and all these refugees, they're seeking refugee status not in the other 56 Muslim countries, but in all the Western countries. They get there and once they do, the culture changes. This is the problem. We're doing a story on the Netherlands right now, where the culture of their country in most small shops and towns is for hundreds of years, by the way. They just have the goods out, they mark a price on it. People leave the money and there's no store clerk there. Cuz they're out there manning the farms. Why this happens? Well, since they've started mass importing people, the culture is these migrants are just coming in and taking the food and not leaving any money. Like the fundamental differences.

[A]

You know, I want to show this clip. It's gone viral because I'm trying to present obviously the juxtaposition here of the vast majority of Muslims who are incredible people. So I'm sure you've seen this a million times. But guys, let's throw it up to make sure that we include this. This is Ahmed Al Ahmed, a Muslim man who bravely disarmed one of the shooters.

[B]

Oh, no. I mean, that guy is a gangster. Like, good on him.

[A]

I'm like, let's give him citizenship here. And then of course, the argument is, look at all these incredible people. He's a Muslim. He's saving Jews from radicalized Muslims. And I have friends who are Muslim. You have friends who are Muslim. How do you hold this duality in your heart? What does one do here? Because you and I have talked about the numbers a little bit and I did a bit more homework. So you were like, let's say, Gillian, that 8 to 10% of Islam of Muslims are radicalized. There's 2 billion Muslims.

[B]

Biden, State Department. By the way.

[A]

I got in this fight yesterday on Piers Morgan and I actually polled Pew research which said 16 to 15% justify or sympathize violence. You have a totally different statistic. Can you cite that for me? But what was it?

[B]

It was Joe Biden's State department said between 8 and 10% of current Muslims in the world today are radicalized, which means they were. They are happy to do violence, not stand by Idly, but to do violence on non Muslims.

[A]

Okay, then I got another one for you. So counterterrorism discourse and intelligence estimates frequently cite a broader figure of 15 to 25% that sympathize with the goals of destruction. So I of course bring this up on peers yesterday and I'm like, guys, here's the thing. Like, obviously there are beautiful human beings who are Muslim. Like this guy, Ahmed Al Ahmed is an incredible person. I was so. I was in tears watching this guy for the first time, you know, but what do you do about this radicalized portion? That's a hell of a lot of people. They both shook their head and immediately called me a white nationalist, A self proclaimed white nationalist.

[B]

And I handled it magnificently, by the way. You handled it beautifully. I was laughing hysterically when I saw that because I was like, these people, they just go to it. They're just like, that's their one thing. It's like, Jillian, by like all accounts, you're not white.

[A]

And I got a black kid and a brown one. But I like, I never use the kids as shields. But then the people who do know that I have kids of color call them house slaves. So I'm like, they're not slaving very well. Like I'm the one that does all the laundry, the cooking and the cleaning around here. But you know, but you know, we joke, but the reality is you can never just have an honest conversation. Of course people are developing Islamophobia because they're seeing this and they're scared. So what? And by the way, neither one, not Cenk or Wajahad Ali, took responsibility. Like you're saying. They both just called me a white nationalist.

[B]

And there was a beautiful clip on CNN too, that I thought was really insightful. Not because I agreed with any of it, but they had this young woman on who was trying to defend the notion. She's like, look, I don't think we should be having people here who are for genital mutilation. And of course you had Abby Phillips and you had all the panels. They were like, well, what do you mean? What do you mean? And she's like, I don't want people who don't embrace the American culture. And there was something very interesting at the end. One of the black panel member said to her at the end and they were trying to get her to say Muslims. But she, she did a very good job. She was like, no, it's the culture. I don't care what their skin color is or their religion is a culture. There was a black member of the panel afterwards that said, well, then, you know, like, how do you justify bringing only white South Africans here? And she didn't. She was, like, not prepared to have a combative thing. She was like, I just don't want to have live under Sharia law. But the answer to that question is, well, what is the crime committed by immigrated white South Africans to date? And from my research, it's approximately, give or take zero. They also don't take benefit programs. I saw them waving American flags as they were entering the country. Not Somali flags or Palestinian flags or South African flags even. They were waving American flags. They come here, they don't commit crime. They get jobs. They assimilate to our culture because our culture resonates with their culture and they perpetuate our culture when they come here. That is why it's okay for me to take in white South Africans. Additionally, there. There being like, black people in South Africa are taking their lands. I thought, according to the Democrat Party, we're not supposed to take lands, right? We're always acknowledging, like, stolen lands and everything like that. So they're taking their land and then they're killing them, and that's why they're fleeing. So, yes, that's why I'm happy to bring them here.

[A]

But I could even point out that Patrick Bhatt David is Iranian and beloved by the Republican Party. Vivek Ramaswamy, first generation American Indian, beloved by the party, the vice president's wife, Indian. Like, it's obviously not a skin color thing. And then when I brought up assimilation on peers, Cenk Uygur starts talking about, I think, orthodox Jews wearing hats and, like, would we condemn them for their clothing? And I was like, cenk, none of this is about food and fashion. It's like, oh, assimilation. Like, it's just a mask for racism. I'm like, no, it's about chance of death to America.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If you want to wear a comic, cool by me. You want to wear a turban. Also cool by me. Like, none of these things bother me. But when you force me to wear a turban, then we got a problem, right?

[A]

I want to go back to our last interview together when you encouraged me to read the Quran and I said, well, it's peaceful. It's the most peaceful religion. And you said, have you read it? And you said, I've read it. You should. So I started reading it, and I want to point out a few things. I'm not religious. I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm agnostic, I have no idea. But I start looking at this and it's actually very confusing. So there's two basic timelines here. One is the Meccan period, right? Which is the early years where Muhammad is unbelievably peaceful. So for example, I pulled this one quote here. Sarah 109, six for you is your religion and for me is my religion like well that's beautiful. I live like that. Muhammad's a liberal. So Carl, like example Sarah 2256. There is no compulsion in religion. But then as it progresses it starts to change dramatically. Then you get into the sword verses and you've got kill the polytheists wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them. And then Surah 9, 29, fight those who don't believe in Allah until they pay the jizya, the tax and willing submission and feel themselves subdued. So here's the thing, there is a duality here and I don't really understand how to reconcile it. And I wanna show you one more clip before you answer.

[B]

One of the largest concentrations of Jewish population in all of Australia and many of them, hundreds if not thousands of them, were out celebrating when this father and son, the father who moved to Australia back in 1988, his son was born here. His son's been studying the Quran and Arabic for the past year. His teacher says they showed up with a stockpile of rifles. It turns out the father was a licensed gun owner here. In a nation that has incredibly strict gun laws for the past 30 years, ever since the last mass shooting basically caused the country to collect most people's guns. But certain people have a license if they're members of gun clubs. Apparently this father was a licensed member of a gun club.

[A]

So I'll get to the guns in a minute. What struck me is you got a family that moved there in 88, that sack of a long time to become an Australian. The son was born there, but then they're like, he starts reading the Quran and learning Arabic this past year and now he's radicalized, right?

[B]

It's, it's amazing. And you also have keep in mind that the of the mosques and a lot of the study programs and things like that within the Islamic community of the Muslims in Australia. Two thirds of Australian Muslims were not born there, they immigrated there. And a lot of people like that guy who's spent his whole life in Australia, he assimilated to a culture of people that was run by people who were not born there, who came there and brought the Customs from other nations. And they taught that in a lot of these mosques. It's, it's a staggering thing. And the, I believe it was the mayor, it might have been a member of parliament there who said, like, diversity is still our greatest strength. It's like, no, it's not. And it just proved it. But, like, what does it take? Does it have, does something physically have to happen to that person in order for them to understand that this is the way it is and it will continue to happen until you stop it, or are they just never going to get it?

[A]

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[B]

Don't, don't forget la. They just foiled a radical pro Palestinian group from a terrorist attack in la. France has canceled all, all of their New Year's celebrations in Paris because they're worried about Islamic terrorist attacks. Like, right, what's it going to take?

[A]

I don't know. I think the problem is everybody looks at or not the problem. I mean, everybody looks at Ahmed Alamed and I would love Ahmed Alamed to be my neighbor. I would build Ahmed Alamed guest house. So that's, that's the. I think, I just don't know. I think we don't know how to reconcile this. I think the problem is that people are empathetic and that we, you know, we've been such a beautiful melting pot, but there is this radicalized faction and the left is refusing to acknowledge it and just calling everybody a racist. So we sort of get nowhere, right? And then what you end up with are mass deportations. Like, look at this guy Wajaha go. I'm sorry, go ahead, go.

[B]

But that, but, but to your point, like this is the left, the modern left today, not like your original, you know, like your original liberalism. Okay? This is far different from that, which is, okay, Carl, you're racist. And then it doesn't solve anything. It's just like there's no solution there. You can't just say you're racist and then move on because it doesn't help the problem.

[A]

Right. Can I put forward some of the, some of the pushback that I've received? I not very familiar with Christianity, my wife is Catholic, many of my friends are religious. But as mentioned, I really don't know a ton about it. The obvious go to when I point out some of this stuff in the Quran that's a bit alarming. And I point it out because I always kind of blindly accepted that it's the most peaceful religion. That's what they told me and I believed it. But then they're like, well, you know, have you looked at the Old Testament? But my argument to that or the Torah is that, you know, how many terror attacks have been committed by Zionists? 0. Gaza is a war. And, and, and people want to get into that. Like no problem, we can have that conversation about Gaza and the Israeli government.

[B]

But they're not strapping mom to their chest and walking into markets.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. Christians aren't out there, you know, doing, you know, doing coordinated terrorist attacks for Christmas, you know. Yes. You have crazy people like a bunch of trans people who shot up schools recently. Like you have crazy people like you know, pick, pick a mass shooter. Ironically that all happen in gun free zones by the way.

[A]

I know and I want to get to that. I got a lot to ask you about there. But, but I want to still, I want to hash out some of these things that are, that I'm pressed with because I think you could better answer them in particular with Christianity. When I look at Jesus versus Mohammed and again I'm not familiar with very much on the Old Testament and the New Testament, but when I just look at fundamental differences that I'm being educated on Jesus, it's like Christianity, you're saved through the blood of the martyrs. Mohammed, it's like killing, you know, we, we move this religion forward through the blood of the in. There are some fundamental differences there that just, yeah. That just, you know, it's like one is turn the other cheek and one is subjugate the non believers. Like in fact the, the majority of the Quran. I ended up looking up statistics on this because I was really trying to understand it. Yeah, the over 50% of it is about subjugating the kaffir, the non believer. And then like 30, 40% of it is on how to be a good Muslim. So I just listen being gay, I was always a little bit afraid of religion until I started to listen to conservatives. And I'm like, I'm not really afraid for my life. Like if we have a debate about marriage, I'm happy to have it, but it's. It feels very different to me than worrying that someone's gonna go shoot my kids at a music festival. And again, neither of us are saying this is the vast majority of Muslims. It's not. It's just that you have a very radicalized faction. And because Islam is so big, that's still a heck of a lot of people. How do you answer this one? Cause this one was put forward to me. I did actually fact check it and it says it's true. According to the FBI, like 2018 through 2021, the number one terror threat in America are alt right extremists. Which, you know, of course I unilaterally would condemn and I would put them in jail. I would label alt right extremists a terror group. But I still, again, feel like we're conflating two issues. If, if I could deport those guys, I would deport them. How does one answer that we.

[B]

I've actually had people like John Lott on who is great on crime statistics and break this down to the infinite decimal number. And if you look, we did a piece on Monday night on my show about this where we talked about, for instance, the D.C. crime statistics that we now know. They were cooking the books. Well, one of the things they also did there was they were arresting people named like Alberto Santo Dominguez, okay, Juan Lopez. And they were. These are people who are not of legal status, who are, who are illegal immigrants who came here to this country. And then on the arrest record, they were labeled white. This is happening all over the country, not just in Washington, D.C. we played placard after placard after placard of rap sheets from these people where people from Somalia labeled white, people from Mexico or Honduras or Colombia or Venezuela or anything else all labeled white on their thing. The additional thing is, let's talk about what the, what they define as, you know, white supremacy terrorists. Are you talking about the people who were involved in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping trial? Because the FBI had a lot of those charges dismissed because they entrapped them. Because it turns out there were more FBI agents trying to make it seem like there was a kidnapping plot for the governor, Gretchen Whitmer, than there were actually people that were willing to go along with it. So, so the statistics like that when I was at a school board meeting, they labeled me a domestic terrorist because I was pounding the podium because I didn't want my 10 year old to wear a mask that she couldn't breathe. Through. So, yeah, if you classify people who are white that don't agree with Democrats, well, then, yeah, you can, you can make the argument that there's a lot of white supremacy terrorism in here, but we're not actual white supremacist terrorists. We're just normal people who, who want the government the hell out of our hair.

[A]

I would be the first. Listen, you and I got on a thing about Nick Fuentes. I would be the first to just. You were obviously not supporting it, but you were saying we should look at what's going on there. I was saying I think we should kind of disavow his bad ideas openly. Nevertheless, the point is that.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm glad you brought that up because Nick Fuentes is one of these guys. The guy's a jerk, okay? He's got some radical views based on nothing. But how did he get from where he was to how he is now with 40 million followers? If he's got 40 million followers, like, we should understand how 40 million people came to agree or at least want to hear what he has to say. That's the bigger issue here. That guy, that guy can screw right off for all I care. But we should look at why people might follow him because there's some.

[A]

You know, I watched in preparation for peers, I guess. This, this guy, Wajahad Ali had had a rant the week prior where basically he's like, white people, you know, your women are like, not as good looking and your food is gross and bland and your music sucks and we're breeding. Like, he literally said, we're breeding as though, you know, immigrants are livestock and we're taking over, like literally, like a complex family system of immigrants is a biological weapon of a culture war. He goes on to talk about how your white women, your pure Rust belt women prefer as the women are war trophies. And I'm like, this is so gross and so disturbing and so creepy. And I can see it as that, right? I can see it as a guy who like, for some reason really hates white people. I don't know what happened to him in his past. I invited him on. I was like, I would be happy to sit down and talk to you about what the fuck? But like, table that for a second. I think about my 13 year old hearing that and then being like, f this guy. Yes to Nick Fuentes. Sic em Nick. Like that, you know, and of course I immediately sent it. I always am trying to get ahead of these things. And I, you know, I sent it to my son and then I'm like, listen, you know, this guy you're gonna see a lot like this, this guy, you know, is deeply disturbed. Like, let's look at Ahmed Al Ahmed, who just say. Because I'm constantly trying to provide this child with a full picture of the world. Cause I'm so afraid that guys like Wajahat Ali will end up turning my son to the white nationalists who I fully condemn.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I got one for you. I wanna go on to Brown and a little bit of this conspiracy theory where I think maybe. Right, like, I'm willing to call out a little crazy on the. Right. There's a kid. Let's pull this up. Guys, can you show me that full screen of what went on at Brown? So VP of Brown's Republican Club was killed. There's 816 cameras on campus at this point. This was yesterday. So there's far more hours after the attack now. So probably, I don't know, two full days, at least 48 hours. Probably zero suspects in custody. And I have been hearing people say things like, I think I heard him call out Alu Akbar. And I'm like, ugh, please don't jump to these conclusions. Because then it's like, you're losing the high ground in this argument. But at the same. And then they're like, we don't have, we don't have the footage because he's probably, he's probably Muslim. I'm like, don't. Oh God, please don't do that because. Yeah, okay, so, so what do we know? Let's. Now let's talk about that for a second. What do we know about this? Nothing.

[B]

Literally nothing. And this is. Brown University has also bragged in the past about using facial recognition on their campus for campus security too, by the way. Okay, we have, you know, over 800 cameras and the building that this was in. Also, let's not pretend that this most likely was not a targeted attack. There's. In a recent survey of Brown, less than 90 students identified as very conservative. This young woman was the vice president of the Young Republicans Club on campus. And allegedly, and it's being reported now that her family has revealed that they know that she was the target. Okay. They apparently allegedly been told that. Yeah. And so someone else got caught up in this. So it's like when you talk about right wing violence being the problem here, it's like, based on what? Because a Catholic school got shot up by somebody who was upset recently. Now we have Brown. The alleged target at this point was the VP of the Young Republicans Club on campus. There is more crimes and more hate against conservatives. Like, I mean, Donald Trump got shot in the ear. Charlie Kirk got shot in the neck. Like, where is the, where's the, you know, run of the mill conservative guy like me? Look, by all accounts, I'm one of the most dangerous humans in America. I own tons of guns and yet I've never shot anybody in this country. And. But I'm the guy that they tell you is the biggest threat.

[A]

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[B]

Apparently they've been told that. So but it's being reported, it's confirmed, but it's being reported that they have been told that they believe their daughter was the target.

[A]

One of the things that really strikes me here, and you saw a little bit of it in the clip I showed you earlier about the fact that the guys in Bondi legally owned those guns and yet nobody's allowed to own guns in Australia.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then there's a great clip of Kamala Harris talking to the PM in Australia. I gotta show you this. Cause it's just so ironic.

[B]

Gun violence.

[A]

Has terrorized and traumatized so many of our communities in this country. And let us be clear, it does not have to be this way, as our friends in Australia have demonstrated. Okay, Carl. Okay, first of all, by the way, this is also the woman that bragged about owning a Glock, which is now illegal. The hypocrisy thing. The hypocrisy thing is bananas. It's bananas. But. But outside of that, I do want to have this conversation. I feel that, you know, if there were no if you gave me the choice, okay? Nobody but, like, the exceptional, like, the vetted cops in our military have guns. Nobody. And don't worry about the 400 million guns that are already out there in the country that you can't possibly buy back, but let's say you can. We can make them vanish. We're snapping our fingers, and all the 400 million guns go away. And the 30 million guns that are out there that are illegal, that we can't even track, really, those go away. And just the good guys, like the cops and the military have guns.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I will give you all the guns in the house, of course. And if the. If you tell me the cops are gonna show up when that guy comes in to do horrible things to myself or my family, you can take all my weapons. But. But for me personally, the issue is that bad guys have guns. And then you've got good guys that can't defend themselves. Like, if we were in Florida and those two animals began shooting, 10 dads would be locked and loaded. And what do you say?

[B]

This is the thing. It's like, this is the problem with this. First off, obviously, Australia banned guns to an extent back in. I believe it was 1966. They ran them over steamrollers in the road. And they said, this was the contract with the Australian people, was the cops will protect you. We will be a safer society. And that was the contract. And yesterday, you had four female cops hiding behind vehicles, hands in the air, not doing anything. And you've got Ahmed, Ahmed over over there, who's like an old guy who runs out and tackles this dude and points the gun at him. I think he didn't pull the trigger because he didn't know how to be honest. Cause he probably didn't grow up in gun culture in Australia. But the other thing is Me, I'm a law abiding gun owner, okay? I'm deputized, also with law enforcement credentials. All right? There are still places in Manhattan. Like yesterday we went to our luncheon and it was in a location where I'm not allowed to carry a firearm. So I had to leave my firearm in a safe and go to a large gathering, which by the way, was advertised as a newsmax holiday party. I mean, like, who would target a conservative network, right? I'm defenseless, but yet bad guys aren't going to care about stuff like that. But that was the contract. In Australia, if you turn in your guns, we will protect you. And it turns out now there's actually three times as many guns in Australia as there were before the gun ban. Believe it or not, this is something that the bad guys will always get guns. And we have this beautiful second amendment right here that gives people like me the ability to not only defend myself against bad guys, but also against a government that doesn't want to play by the rules that they're supposed to live by. And I know people are going to gasp at that, but this is the nature of this thing.

[A]

More.

[B]

More than often than not, crime is stopped by a good guy with a gun. And I can go down the list of a number of shootings.

[A]

Will you please actually go down the list? Go down the list so people can see this.

[B]

There was recently a mall shooting, and I believe it was Ohio, where it was stopped by concealed carrier. You have two church shootings now that have stopped by concealed carrier. You have roughly 50,000. They can't exactly estimate this. 50,000. 50,000 acts of violence are stopped every year by lawful gun owners and that's reported to police. I mean, let's say a criminal comes up and points a knife at me, I pull a gun and it's diffused. Like a lot of those don't even get reported. But the deterrence factor. The only people who will not be armed are law abiding citizens like me who don't want to break the law. So, you know, it doesn't help like I have. I'm the victim of a home invasion where I had to be downstairs and confront this with my firearm. And I hate to say it, but the presence of that firearm. I didn't fire a shot, but the presence of that firearm made those guys split, the ones that weren't already fighting me.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So, like, I'm a testament to this. You have to be able to respond with equal force. Will bad guys get it? Sure. But you know That's, I will say Ben Franklin came out with like the best quote on this. To remove all liberty will not remove all tragedy. And that's the fact you can't cage an animal.

[A]

You know what's also really upsetting about Brown is that it's a weapons free zone.

[B]

Unfree.

[A]

I have taught both my kids with teach. They can't have, they can't have Tasers either though. No tasers. They're not allowed to have tasers. They're not allowed to have. I think, I think maybe pepper spray. I think maybe, but no tasers for sure. No guns, no knives.

[B]

Rhode island can't do anything.

[A]

Both of my kids. Okay, but yet you have no security. You have no security. It's open to the public and these kids can't defend themselves. They're sitting ducks, literally. I've had both of my children taught to use guns. They, the minute they turn 18, I will be getting them concealed carries where wherever they are. I am terrified about where my daughter goes to college and like she will have a burnout. Like one of those pepper spray things. A Taser, Forget it. And, and, and at Brown I just, I always thought like, I'm going to make sure this kid, she's a jiu jitsu. Like I'm gonna make sure my kids have a fighting chance when I'm not there. Not to mention like I'm not you. I, I couldn't even possibly if somebody broke into my house. I have a fricking Beretta shotgun because I'll be so scared that, you know, I'll probably fight. I'll hit everything in the house but him. So I literally have a 12 gauge semi automatic Beretta shotgun. So I know that if somebody breaks in the house, I'm going to be able to hit him. And we have a whole plan. The kids know, like they stay in their room, they go out the window. Like we have a whole plan that I had a safety specialist arrange for me. And here I am thinking like I've taken every precaution and I just find out that these kids are sitting ducks. You have no security, it's open to the public and they have no way of defending themselves. And how, what is that, Carl?

[B]

Under the promise of we will protect you and like the government, every time the government says they will do something for people, they have let them down. I mean when seconds count, cops are minutes away. And I am just so frustrated and by the way, all the same people that are like, gun control, gun control, gun control. They're protected by armed guards. Like our banks are protected by armed guards. Our congress, our government officials, our judges, everybody's protected by armed guards except for our children that are protected by a little stupid sign out front of the school that says this is a gun free zone. And 97% of recent shootings of more than three people in the last since its inception of gun free zones, which by the way was introduced by Joe Biden, have been in gun free zones. 97% of shootings involving more than three victims in gun free zones.

[A]

I could understand that if you said nobody needs a bump stock, I could see it. Am I wrong? I like, you know, you don't need a bump stock to kill an elk.

[B]

Well, but you know, our founders.

[A]

See I, I could for sure go with you on. Tell me.

[B]

Our founding fathers didn't just get back from a hunting trip. They got back from liberating a nation. And the second amendment is designed, and this is why I oppose any and all restrictions on guns because the hunting. The second amendment was designed to allow the American citizen to rise up and defeat their government should they become tyrannical like Great Britain did to the colonies. And that was the intention of it. And up until even the 70s, like there were no mass shootings at schools in the 70s. I think there was one in the 60s actually where somebody was shooting from a tower at a school. Turned out to be a completely deranged individual. However, there were no mass shootings at schools and kids brought their guns to school because hunting was like a part of culture back then. It still is in a lot of places. There are, there's significant history to show that, that there is no, like more guns don't equal more crime. And I'm going to give you a quick statistic before I go here, which is that if we are a number, we are like three in the world for gun violence. Behind like Honduras, by the way, Communist gun controlled Honduras. If you take away the top four, five or six cities in America, which by the way are all run by Democrats with very strict gun control laws. DC, Chicago, Detroit, New York City, places like that, if you get rid of them, we fall to the bottom 10% of gun crime globally with half the guns in the world in our country.

[A]

God. Okay, can I have five more minutes to push back? Because I feel like I'd be irresponsible if I didn't because I know it's like, oh, you just, you know, okay, going back to the founding fathers, you've heard, okay, so. Well, when the founding Fathers made these gun laws. Nobody had assault rifles, so you couldn't possibly. I'm not saying I disagree with them right now. I'm just trying to put forward every element. You make a great point, but at the same time, I don't think they could envision how many bullets come out of a fricking semi automatic rifle or an automatic rifle or whatever the heck you're rigging with a bump stock. Stock. They would never have done it if that was the case.

[B]

So the problem was. Yeah, so the, the, the other guy didn't have it either. And this is the same thing. You could do this. You could, you could walk line with anything from social media. Okay. The founding fathers would never have allowed people to talk on social media the way they do today, because it inspires hate speech or whatever the hell this is. And I love this debate because technology always outpaces legislation. But the, the intent of the Second Amendment was to grant people the ability to fight a government if they needed to. Our government has vastly more powerful and more effective weapons than the human. Than the human. The man population in America today, which I actually find disheartening and disturbing. And I would push back and say we should be able to get the same weapons as the US government, including F16. People are saying that. Right. The issue is, it doesn't matter how effective a gun is. Is it the same weapon that we could potentially be fighting for? The need of liberty?

[A]

Right, I see. I understand. Okay, one, more background checks. Like, I'm a little bit confused because when I was in Florida, I had a background check. Now I'm in Wyoming, background check. Are these not thorough enough? I don't understand. I really honestly don't know. Like, oh, Trump removed some sort of block for people who have had previous mental illness who were unable to get guns. Like, I would like people who are crazy or who have a record of crazy to knock at guns.

[B]

So here's my take on background checks. I generally don't think, I think, I don't think firearms should be a controlled item. I think it should be like buying a car or anything like this, because, hey, look, in New Orleans, a guy in a car killed more people than he did with a gun. So my issue with this is, I will submit for the, for the good of the argument and the nation that a background check is fine as long as it doesn't affect me or I have to pay for it. However, you apply the same standard to every single right. Clarence Thomas in Heller vs. D.C. noted that the Second Amendment is not A second class. Right. He also reinforced that again in Bruin. Now I want that applied to voting every time you go to vote. Background check.

[A]

I love that you make. I can't argue with that. I totally agree with you. Is there anything on these topics that I missed that I should have asked you and I didn't.

[B]

I would say one of the things is people are scared of things they don't know. And firearms is a big one of them. A lot of people are like, oh my God, this gun is scary. Well, you know, like they are the first people to call somebody with a gun when they need it. And I would, I would say to people who don't understand guns, don't legislate thing. It's like you never shop when you're hungry. You know that you're the master nutritionalist. Okay. Never shop when you're hungry, legislate when you're scared. And that's what you get with like Connecticut had the 1160 bill after the Sandy Hook shooting, which by the way, that bill, not one provision in the hundreds of pages of that bill would have stopped the actual shooting itself. It wouldn't. There was nothing in there that would have addressed the actual course of events that caused that shooting. This is what happens. Politicians legislate this. You have 68% of law enforcement officers in the state of Connecticut that refuse to comply with that new law and still don't. And it's never been enforced. Not one arrest has been made in conjunction with that law to my knowledge. You have politicians who legislate so they can stand there and they're like, well, it's brave. And they pass it in the dead of the night at 2am and, and say, look at what we did. It's so good. And meanwhile, people like me, I'm like, well, now I have to either register guns, get rid of them, and I definitely can't buy them anymore. And it was totally legal yesterday. So that's the product of politicians trying to. You're never going to be able to legislate safety. You just can't. Because, you know, why don't we just make murder more illegal? I mean, that should, that should solve it, right? The same as gun law.

[A]

You make far too good of sense. I really actually thought I felt very strongly about crazy people not getting guns. But I definitely agree with you about needing the background checks on IDs, so there's not a whole hell of a lot you could say that I disagree with, which is why I absolutely love talking to you. Carl, can you tell everybody where they can find you every single day. Tell them about your book, please.

[B]

Newsmax, 6pm I got a couple books out there and most people again, didn't know I could read. So it's profile freedom is the last one. And actually in there I talk about George Washington and Jefferson and their intent on the Second Amendment and, you know, the some of the principles that founded this nation, including assimilation and things like that. So 6pm on Newsmax every night. And then, you know, at Carl Higbee on all my social media stuff like that where I talk all kinds of.

[A]

Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. And I'll be watching tonight.

[B]

Thank you very much.

[A]

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