STEVEN CROWDER GOES NUCLEAR - GLOVES ARE OFF!!

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Podcast Summary

Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels

Episode: STEVEN CROWDER GOES NUCLEAR - GLOVES ARE OFF!!

Date: April 19, 2026
Host: Jillian Michaels
Guest: Steven Crowder

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Overview

Jillian Michaels invites conservative commentator Steven Crowder for a passionate, unfiltered discussion exploring the shifting political landscape in America. The conversation covers the rise of "Marxist creep" on both the left and right, the war on traditional values and religion, media disinformation, hypocrisy in political movements, the status of the nuclear family, feminism, and the growing sense of national instability. This episode stands out for its candor, ideological clashes, and the attempt by both host and guest to make sense of a rapidly changing culture.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Political Realignment and "Marxist Creep"

Timestamps: 00:29–05:42, 09:49–17:01

• Crowder opens with a fiery monologue (00:29–01:04) about what he views as the Democrat agenda: “Voting Democrat in 2026 means packing the courts ... censoring speech ... disarming Americans ... codifying that biological men can compete in women's [sports] ... that's what voting Democrat means.”

• Crowder argues the right is now splintered, with a “Marxist right” emerging, dissatisfied with the old guard and increasingly aligning with left-wing talking points.

  “The left has always been nuts… but now the Marxist right… they have legitimate gripes with the old guard… It's gotten pretty nuts.” (02:16–02:55, Crowder)

• Jillian expresses concern that criticism of Trump is used to destroy a coalition fighting “Marxist left” influence. She poses whether these actions are coordinated or an inadvertent result of culture shifts.

• Crowder shares his trajectory from being skeptical of Trump to arguing he became “one of the most effective presidents of our lifetime,” contending that Trump’s alienation from elites drove him rightward.

  “He was probably center left... I know he now hates the left because he was ganged up on.” (10:16–12:41, Crowder)

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2. Cultural Wars: Religion, Identity, and Media Narratives

Timestamps: 05:42–23:51

• Jilian and Crowder delve into media platforms pushing narratives about faith, Islam, and Christianity, often misrepresenting beliefs for political ends.

  “Anyone who's ever done any research or opened the Quran… They deny the divinity of Christ.” (05:42, Crowder)

• Crowder asserts that Western media, politicians, and some “rebranded” right-wing figures are distorting theological discussions, fueling confusion.

• The pair critique the inconsistency in mainstream journalism, especially regarding the Israel/Palestine conflict, U.S. foreign policy, and left-wing activism.

  “It could be coordinated... Sometimes that's... that's what happens. Because I hear people go, like, well. And I've had people come up to me and go, well, do you know that Muslims believe in Jesus? And I just go, no, they don't.” (22:45–23:52, Crowder)

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3. Hypocrisy, Censorship, and Public Figures

Timestamps: 28:52–36:55

• Jillian calls out the double standards around deplatforming: Nick Fuentes (right-wing) is ‘canceled’ while figures like Hasan Piker (left-wing) are platformed, despite incendiary content.

  “Hasan Piker is so vitriolic, so aggressive, calling for assassinations… the left not only has not debanked, deplatformed, they are campaigning alongside of him… they have canonized basically Hasan Piker.” (29:01–31:02, Michaels)

• Crowder: claims of equivalency between left and right are false and dangerous:

  “Voting Democrat in 2026 means... packing the courts... lowering the voting age... codifying Roe v. Wade... codifying that there are no biological gender differences.” (31:02, Crowder)

• The discussion turns to socialism and historical blindness about regimes praised by contemporary leftists:

  “Che Guevara was just as racist, just as much of a eugenicist as Adolf Hitler...” (33:08, Crowder)

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4. Modern Feminism, Nuclear Family, and Societal Decline

Timestamps: 43:08–67:54

• Crowder and Michaels agree that anti-Christian and anti-Jewish sentiment is rising, tracing its roots to Marxist ideology.

  “Their loyalty… is to Marxism. … The justification for it is seeing everything in the world through the lens of oppressor and oppressed.” (45:00, Crowder)

• Crowder delivers a passionate critique of feminism, claiming it aims to destroy the nuclear family and results in societal and personal misery for women.

  “Feminism was never about choice… it was all about the destruction of the nuclear family...” (60:43, Crowder)

• Jillian asks pointed questions about the argument that government programs destroyed black families, and about BLM’s anti-nuclear family stance.

  “That has been catastrophic ... the Dem[ocrat] Party created a catastrophic scenario with black Americans in order to buy votes.” (66:19, Crowder)

• Crowder argues for a return to traditional gender roles:

  "If you follow the prescription of the left as a young woman, it will lead to ruin. ... Women are miserable because they've been doing it the way they've been doing it under the guidance of women." (83:30–86:37, Crowder)

• Memorable moment:

  “Men will lay their lives down for good women. ... They're looking for them and there aren't enough around. And I know you know what I'm talking about.” (77:58–80:54, Crowder)

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5. Solutions and Cultural Restoration

Timestamps: 72:30–100:33

• Crowder stresses the importance of “change my mind”-type Socratic dialogue for reaching those open to reason, as opposed to propagandists.

  “The skill that's most important is being able to identify the difference between someone like you, who can be brought into the fold with reason, logic, and people who will not have ears to hear…” (73:51, Crowder)

• He laments the castration of men and the cultural preference for emasculating male figures, arguing that this leaves society unprotected.

  “Women have been in charge of our cultural norms, really, since the 1960s. … Maybe listen to those guys for a change who've been vilified. Doesn't mean only them. Means stop vilifying them.” (77:58–80:54, Crowder)

• On education and indoctrination:

  “I mean, that kind of craziness when they ask kids in freaking elementary school what gender they feel like today...” (99:39, Michaels)

• Crowder’s “patriarchal” prescription for women:

  “The evil, patriarchal white supremacist prescription ... you’d grow up in a family with a mom and a dad... you’d be taught what it is to be a lady... once the kids are out of the house, you can go and pursue any travel or career you want.” (100:33–102:12, Crowder)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Crowder (01:04): "Voting Democrat in 2026 means packing the courts... lowering the voting age to 16..."
• Crowder (12:41): "Donald Trump may not be conservative, he may be flawed, absolutely. But he absolutely is a guard at the gates against what I truly... a Marxist revolution."
• Crowder (22:45): "Sometimes... that's what happens. Because I hear people go, like, well... do you know that Muslims believe in Jesus? And I just go, no, they don't."
• Michaels (31:02): "Hasan Piker is so vitriolic, so aggressive... and the left not only has not debanked, deplatformed, they are campaigning alongside of him."
• Crowder (60:43): "Feminism was never about choice… it was all about the destruction of the nuclear family and these social mores that we had that were necessary for the United States to have a limited government."
• Crowder (77:58): "Women have been in charge of our cultural norms, really, since the 1960s. ... Maybe listen to those guys for a change who've been vilified. Doesn't mean only them. Means stop vilifying them."
• Michaels (81:23): "I genuinely... I actually love men. It's just that when it becomes physical, it's... it doesn't compute."
• Crowder (83:30): "It's not a victim thing. It's not that men have been minimized. ... It's that the left has destroyed women."
• Michaels (99:39): "Now you're seeing kids being indoctrinated in school... asking kids in elementary school what gender they feel like today..."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:29–01:04: Crowder’s introductory list of Democratic policies he warns against.
• 03:06–05:42: Crowder’s viral monologue on coalition collapse.
• 09:49–12:41: Trump’s conversion and the left’s betrayal.
• 31:02–33:08: Hypocrisy of left-wing deplatforming and idolization.
• 45:00–47:41: Marxism as the root of ideological confusion.
• 60:43–66:14: The effect of feminism and government policy on the family structure.
• 72:30–76:45: How to discern between open-minded liberals/conservatives and propagandists; the importance of public debate.
• 77:58–80:54: Crowder’s critique of the ‘villainization’ of men.
• 83:30–86:37: Crowder’s claim: “The left has destroyed women.”
• 100:33–102:12: Crowder’s prescriptive vision for women’s fulfillment and the nuclear family.

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Tone & Language

• The conversation is raw, passionate, fiercely opinionated, and alternatingly confrontational and warm.
• Crowder employs humor, sarcasm, and edgy analogies.
• Jillian is introspective, earnest, and at times, searching for understanding from a center-left perspective.
• Both display moments of camaraderie, even when disagreeing.

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Final Thoughts

This episode serves as a high-octane exploration of America’s ideological fracturing. Crowder forcefully argues the stakes are existential, with the collapse of family structure, the rise of Marxist ideology, and institutional deceit threatening the nation’s future. Jillian Michaels, skeptical but open, presses Crowder, seeking explanations for the rapid cultural shift, hypocrisy, and erosion of shared values. Their exchanges provide a unique look at the meeting point between the old and new right and a nuanced center-left, with actionable concerns for listeners about the future of American society.

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Where to Find More:

• Steven Crowder: Rumble (11am weekdays), YouTube, X (@scrowder)
• Jillian Michaels: [Keeping It Real Podcast]

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Transcript

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Steven Crowder]

Voting Democrat in 2026 means packing the courts. Means abolishing the electoral College, means lowering the voting age to 16. If they have their way again, if they have their power. Unfettered means censoring speech and deplatforming. It means disarming Americans. It means codifying Roe v. Wade. It means opening borders again. It means mass amnesty. It means more Social Security and of course Medicaid, Medicare, whatever you can provide for illegal aliens. It means making D.C. and Puerto Rico a state. It means codifying that biological men can compete in women's sp and be in women's spaces and effectively codifying that there are no biological gender differences. That's what voting Democrat means.

[Jillian Michaels]

The man with the biggest conservative show on the planet, Steven Crowder, is with me and he's breaking down the Marxist creep taking over America, the coordinated war on Judaism and Christianity, the bizarre alliance forming between the woke right and the woke left, what's really behind the synchronized call for the 25th amendment and so much more. As always, guys, if you're digging the show, please be sure to, like, share, comment, subscribe Here we go. Keeping it real with Jillian Michaels. Mr. Crowder, welcome. How are you?

[Steven Crowder]

I am doing well. Thank you for having me. You know, when you were on the show, some people thought it was. It was a little bit tense. So I'm very grateful that you're having me on. You had some kind things to say with Andrew Wilson. So I was sure that you would absolutely despise me and rightfully so. So. So I'm glad to be here.

[Jillian Michaels]

What are you talking about? First of all, when we engaged in that conversation, what do you mean? I actually was a fan of yours, as you know, to begin with. So when you were kind of upset about the fact that I was upset about Nick Fuentes, I was like, oh, no, this is so unfortunate.

[Steven Crowder]

I definitely wasn't upset, and I actually thought it was fair. I think that's the kind of disagreement that should be taking place right now. But the world is, and I've been doing this for a long time. I will tell you, it is definitively more nuts right now. The left has always been nuts. And I know that you weren't like A leftist, but more classically liberal. But now the Marxist right. And I will say too, they have some legitimate gripes with the old guard of the right. So I get it. There's been nothing more damaging to such a widespread coalition than a call for impeachment and false equivalency every single week. So it's. It's gotten pretty nuts.

[Jillian Michaels]

Funny you say that. I want to start the show showing you to you. Guys. Can we pull up SOT3? I've never done this before, but it's so good.

[Steven Crowder]

But what I really, really don't want to hear, okay, is two or three years from now when we have Kamala Harris or Gavin Newsom as president and wokeism is back. And it will come back. And you are being deplatformed From Twitter, X YouTube, all this stuff going down and kids are being trans and you have boys being fellated in pictorials in the student library. Right? I don't want to hear you people fight back and ask people to hit your godforsaken patreon. Cuz you are doing this. You are doing it right now. And don't try and pull another rebrand. You said remove Donald Trump. You called upon other world leaders. You pla. Hey, you can platform wherever you want. There are certain people you won't platform, but you'll platform people saying Christianity is socialist. I think I know where you line up. Don't want to hear a word from you later on that we need to fight back against the Marxist left because there has been a wider, more effective coalition in the right in this country than ever in any of our lifetimes. And you are destroying it with no proposed solution.

[Jillian Michaels]

I was listening to that. I listened to all my podcasts as I'm going to sleep at night or sometimes in the car. But this time I was getting ready for bed, lined it up in the queue. I almost woke my kids up to play that for them. Because I, I didn't.

[Steven Crowder]

No, you should wake them up, read like one flew over the moon, not listen to the sky, you motherfuckers. Probably wouldn't be soothing. Especially when I'm in my nasal voice. My voice is actually here, but when I get mad it goes up like they sound like young Pacino. So, but, but. Sorry I interrupted,

[Jillian Michaels]

but I think. I think you're interrupting because you're uncomfortable with how. With very deserved praise. And I've been feeling this way. I think so many have been feeling this way and it's like, yeah, Trump is not perfect. Yes, he has a host of flaws, but what was the alternative? For goodness sake, where did you think we were going? Look what they're doing to Nick Shirley in California. You want to talk about losing the First Amendment? Transing kids, open borders, prioritizing criminals over victims. I was weeping. Stephen, can you talk to me about. Why is this happening, do you think?

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I try. And, you know, I. And yes, I am very uncomfortable with praise because I'm not used to it. So sometimes I like your shirt. I'm like, look at these four headlines. But, yeah, I've seen. And then that'll be called reverse narcissism, because everyone's a pop psychologist these days. I will say, I don't know why. I try and avoid speculating as to the motive. I only know what I see and what I hear. And I'll give you, I know we'll go to Islam. But when people say, hey, newsflash, Muslims actually love and revere Jesus, I go, okay, is this person ignorant? Are they that stupid or are they lying to someone? Because anyone who's ever done any research or opened the Quran whatsoever, knows anything about the Islamic faith knows that. They say, Jesus Christ was a prophet, was a great prophet. Great. They deny the divinity of Christ. And just to be clear, because this will offend some people, I believe that anyone who denies the divinity of Christ is just as hellbound as the next, whether that's a Buddhist, Muslim or Jew. That's what all Christians believe. But for someone to act as though they believe or to present to the public that they believe the same thing that Christians believe who believe in the Holy Trinity. I hear people saying this who definitely know better. And as it relates to. And you know what? Too many. You can just take down the feed because it's coming in and out. So I won't be able to see you, Gillian, but I'll be able to hear you with Donald Trump to say that there's no difference. And this is not an excuse for rhinos. I mean, we went in hard on John Thune to a degree with jokes that were wildly sexually inappropriate and borderline hate speech. I think he is an example of a feckless Republican. But to act like Donald Trump is that. I mean, a lot of Americans were. Were really single issue voters, but let's call them dual issue voters. Where it was the border and of course, the economy, the border couldn't be more of a clear contrast between political parties or candidates than I've ever seen in my lifetime. There's no doubt about that. 12 to 20 million illegal aliens, depending on the Metrics you use Under Joe Biden versus 96 to 99% sealed up the border. And then the goalposts move. And they said, well, that can just be undone. Well, sure, because some of it's done by executive order. But then we look at, for example, the SAVE act, and you see feckless people like John who won't get it done. But that has nothing to do with Donald Trump. People go, well, if we can spend money on Iran, why can't we fix Minneapolis? First off, there's no fixing Minneapolis. It sucks, it's terrible. It's where dreams go to die. But the president kind of has powers that are closest to a monarch in issues of foreign policy and war. And it's by design. He can't simply send the military into Minneapolis. And by the way, if you gave every single poor person in Minneapolis $100,000 right now, which you can't do because there are state laws, and then you have a municipality that, by the way, is a sanctuary city, they'd be poor again. So people, if they don't get everything they want, create false equivalencies. And the ultimate message that I see is it's all the same. There's no difference with no proposed solution. And I'll tell you what we'll get, and this is not me patting myself on the back. I'm very grateful that there are people like you. And I think, by the way, for people watching, I know everyone always questions someone who's more newly right leaning. I think that you are genuine. I think you're approaching this in good faith. But I've been around. I mean, people have watched me grow up. I was on YouTube in 2008. There was no conservative YouTube. I manually messaged my first 10,000 subscribers by going to gun channels, gun hobby channels, because it was the closest thing. It was nothing but liberals, leftists, Marxists and atheists. And we were demonetized. Right. Google took a nosedive. Their stock. I've been here for all of this. I have been here before. Even for example, you were removed for questioning election results before you were removed, for example, saying maybe, maybe toddlers shouldn't take the vaccine. Maybe the risk doesn't actually make. The reward isn't worth the risk. And people are taking for granted how bad it can be. This is not cheerleading rah rah Republican Donald Trump. He's very flawed. I didn't support him in the primaries in 2016. That's a matter of record. Because at that point I thought he was a lifelong Democrat. And I think he's been one of the most effective presidents of our lifetime.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, Steven, he was, though, which kind of makes me wonder, right? Okay. Was he a lifelong Democrat like I was, who then saw the party do this 180 and descend into madness and say, all right, enough is enough, or was he masquerading as a Republican to get elected? I don't know. But I can simply see you as a person who.

[Steven Crowder]

Tell me, please, again. But I will speculate on this. I don't know if you can see if they can. Andrew Breitbart is on the chalkboard here. I came up under his tutelage. Before him, I had just done. I was just an actor and standup comic and I started doing online videos. He answered my call. I heard him on Dennis Miller, and he spoke to me for 45 minutes and started posting my videos on his website. So I learned a lot of my approach to journalism because it wasn't my background from him. And everything is downstream from culture. And one thing that happened with him, he tuned into Clarence Thomas and he was ready to see that guy get his, you know, his comeuppance. And then he left saying, oh, my God, this is a public lynching. There's a famous quote from Andrew Breitbart with that, I think, Donald Trump, President Trump, you have to be a Democrat to do business in New York. But he was probably center left. I think he didn't realize that these people weren't his friends. And when they came out, the people who would be at the cocktail parties with him for decades and accused him of being a racist and accused him of being a sexist, and they said there were those N word tapes, right, which never actually came out. I share a more common bond with President Trump. Not that I think he's conservative. I don't think at his core he's deeply conservative. But I know that he now hates the left because he was ganged. He was ganged up on. He was doggy piled on. And this is not Christian to me. I am more motivated by my disdain and my reviling of the left than I am my conservatism, even sometimes more so. My faith, because I see what it does. I was raised in Canada. I know how this works out, and I know what Marxists do. If they're given the power. People often point in this country to what Democrats do, which is still pretty bad. Abortion up until and including birth, period, taxpayer funded, still pretty men and women's sports. But what would they do? Completely unfettered. 12,000 arrests in the UK for speech truckers being arrested and being debanked in Canada. 5% of their deaths being euthanasia compelled speech laws. It's what they do every time they achieve power. And I don't think people realize how bad it can get. Donald Trump may not be conservative, he may be flawed. Absolutely. But he absolutely is a guard at the gates against what I truly. And I mean this, this sounds like hyperbole and a Marxist revolution. And we've seen the revolutionaries and they're waiting to storm the gates. And that is too important to play games with, in my opinion.

[Jillian Michaels]

Gosh, I don't actually think it sounds like hyperbole at all. You're seeing it with Zoran Mamdani and the squad. And the one question I want to ask, simply because I'm starting to watch the right go down this path, is the 180. So I totally appreciate. My wife is a lifelong conservative. Her argument is the left has always been crazy. My argument back is, honey, nowhere near this crazy. There's tons of videos that are circulating on the Internet that show their hypocrisy. They were for closed borders. They did not want to be a welfare state. Yes, they were pro abortion, but it was still legal, safe and rare. Not up until the moment of birth. Not abortion trucks at the dnc. They were against gay marriage, let alone transing children. So what I am starting to think is happening is that you have these old people in the party that are insecure, feeling irrelevant, and they look at the young people like AOC and mom Donnie, and they wanna be cool. And you get this bizarre 180. I mean, Biden, if we're gonna talk about racism, was the og Stephen, do you remember. Do you remember that racist remark we just covered this that he made about Obama saying the fact that he was clean and articul, practically a fairy tale.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, Jillian, this is why I love being on your show, because you're missing so much worse. He said the N word. I believe at the Clarence, we run it all the time. We don't want a mayor. N word. Like, I won't repeat it, but we run it all. Every time I say a clip of Biden, I run the clip of him saying the N word and go, oh, sorry, Right clip. He said he didn't want his children raised in a racial jungle. I mean, by the way, do I think he hated black people? No, I think he's a demented old circus monkey. But if you're using the standard of the left, certainly more racist than the guy who Let Arsenio hall win Celebrity Apprentice. Keep an mind. And I want to go on that, on that track. Because, you know, people say the left left me. Sure. I would argue the left has always been more radical than people realize, Certainly since the 1960s, because of feminism, Marxism, kind of the permeation. But I would say this when people say they've gone far right and far left just to keep you divided, man. Okay, Donald Trump, first president ever who was pro gay marriage while he was the day he was elected, which by the way, I'm against. And we can talk about that. Barack Obama was against it until he became for it and then was pro trans. The right has gone slightly left and the left is full blown Marxist. That is the reality. And it's been on that path since the 60s. I mean, it's so radical where you cannot get one person, one person in position of leadership at the DNC. Not one who will say we shouldn't trans kids. Not one who will put any limits on abortion whatsoever. I remember watching the debate, I believe it was the 20. Well, the last time they had a primary, the Democrats might have been 2012, 2016, you know, the Democratic Party, no primaries. They all bragged about their F rating from the nra and they all shit on Bernie for only getting a D minus and he had to defend it. He's like, well, I only got a D minus because of mom and pop shops. And I was like, this is so embarrassed. This is all they have to offer. So when people go, there's no difference. I think there's a huge difference. And I think we should keep the one party and we do have a two party system. It's better than a parliamentary system, but it's, it's flawed. I think we should keep them accountable and expect better for sure, but not just say that there's this equivalency. Cuz that's what the left does, though

[Jillian Michaels]

there's definitely no equivalency. The parallel that I'm talking about is the 180from older people on the right. And I'll say, tucker, listen, this is a guy you. And I could sit here and show video after video after video of him talking about annihilating Iran or how Muslims are killing Christians around the globe. And now he's unrecognizable. And I'm thinking like, all right, are you. What's happening here? Are you getting paid? Like, are you just feeling irrelevant and you wanna be cool? Cause that's what the cool kids are doing. That's what they're all talking about. That is what I'm wondering is all these older people, the Schumers, the Clintons, the Tucker Carlsons that are now a 180 to who they were a decade ago. What is that? What is that?

[Steven Crowder]

It's a good question. And I will say I don't know as far as, I mean I have suspicions, but I try not to speak on suspicions or motive as far as being paid. I mean there are numbers that anyone could track publicly as far as investors and these banks created to be investors and which funds fund those banks. But I will say I've appeared with Tucker Carlson at least probably two dozen times. I used to have a debate segment with Alicia Menendez, the senator Bob Menendez, who's being fitted for an orange jumpsuit, his daughter, on Fox and Friends Sundays. I was a contributor there for four and a half years and Tucker Carlson was doing Fox and Friend, Fox and Friends weekend on Sundays. He would often host it and we'd appear on Red Eye and I shared cars with him and stuff. Back then he was bow tie wearing J. Crew madras pants. Tucker Carlson, who was very elitist until he started dressing as how he pictures a fly fisherman to be. And there really is a rebrand where it veers into gimmickry. But I sat down with him quite a bit and he was much more libertarian. It was the bowtie era. And then people can change, people can evolve. But I don't know how you evolve to no longer knowing that there are fundamental theological differences between Christianity and Islam that, by the way, are irreconcilable. Just to be clear, the religion of Islam is blasphemous to Christians. We just don't kill them for it. But to say that Christ was not crucified and did not raise from the dead, by the way, it's blasphemous for Jews to say it to us too, because that's why we're Christians. But you guys can do that. That's fine. People trying to guide folks down the path of something that I've got to understand or sorry, I've got to believe they understand is false. For example, Iran. Now I said give this three months and then I'll assess it because I know that that is an issue as it relates to national security. There will be information that I don't have because I mean, you can't tip your hand, right? That's part of a military strategy. My grandfather was in the Air Force too. He's like, there's information you're not going to know. And I accept that. And I think there are reasonable opinions on both sides. The one that is not reasonable to me is the one that has gained the most momentum where people are saying President Trump is a betrayer because he promised no new forever wars. Not only has Donald Trump been remarkably consistent on Iran, I would present to people, we have a longer track record of Donald Trump saying that Iran needs to be dealt with than any other president of our lifetime on any issue. Because he was a celebrity talking about Iran in the 80s. And we've run those clips. You don't really have that luxury of Barack Obama who got into Occidental, and we have no idea why, because we haven't read his transcripts and he was never published as the head of Harvard Law Review. But that's for another day. Donald Trump, we have a very long track record. And they asked him, would you use the military? He said, yes, I would. He said, yes, I would. In the 80s, that famous escalator speech where everyone said he was a racist, he went down and said, right, they're not sending their best. He also said, and Iran will never get a nuke. You could argue that. And many people have. He's ending a 47, I believe, 47, 49 year forever war with Iran. An unreasonable position is when people say, well, I can't believe we're killing all these Iranians and they've never done anything. They've killed thousands of Americans and we're not killing all of these Iranians. You may say, it's not our job, it's not our role, or it's illegitimate, or it's too costly. All valid opinions, but the overwhelming majority of Iranians, both in Iran and the diaspora and absolutely have been praying for and are grateful for this. So to act like it's a genocide. And Donald Trump said he would never do anything with Iran. My issue is with the dishonesty. And then it leads to impeachment, and then it leads to we're all the same at the end of three months, if we're no closer to our goals that we set out to accomplish, then I'll say, you know what? Seems they misgauged this, they miscalculated it. But I don't know if you know this historically, they'll compare everything to Iraq. Iraq is an outlier, Vietnam is an outlier. And we have other comparisons. The first Iran strike, Venezuela, for example, Panama, Granada. They point to one outlier and act like every military intervention is the same. And my issue is with the dishonesty, though. I think there are legitimate grievances on both sides. I don't think impeaching him because he's a betrayer is one of them.

[Jillian Michaels]

I don't understand that concept at all. So much so that it seems coordinated and it seems on purpose. And there are very clear lies, like the fatwa, for example, where they're like, oh, there's, you know, there's a fatwa, which is a law in Islam that they don't use nukes. And it then came out, no one wrote this fatwa down. This isn't like the other fatwas, where they have this religious law against something. It was never written down. And then, by the way, alongside that supposed fatwa is the concept of takiya, where I guess the ayatollah was like, yeah, but a cornered cat can do whatever they want.

[Steven Crowder]

Right?

[Jillian Michaels]

And these are journalists that are saying this. I'm thinking, I know you know how to research this. I know you know this is baloney. So why are you putting this garbage out there and just presuming that people will buy it? Because they do. Right? Because they're going, well, you're the journalist, you're the pundit. You've been doing this for years, so obviously you did the homework. Joe Kent, I. I like, this guy is a badass. He's a gangster. I don't understand. Because he's gonna know that fatwa is not a real fatwa. And yet he's like, hey, oh. And last but not least, the guy that said Iran was a complete threat has gone on the record for decades saying, we've gotta take out Iran.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

So this is where I'm thinking, this has gotta be coordinated. It does not make sense, Stephen.

[Steven Crowder]

It could be coordinated. Or what happens to. I mean, remember that famous. I can't remember if it was the Blue Angels or if it was the Thunderbirds, where the lead plane. Right. Cause they follow the lead plane just. And then all of the other planes just right into the dirt and they all died. Sometimes. That's. Yeah. I can't remember when it happened, and I could have sworn I saw a video of it, but I know there is no video that's publicly released. But it was a famous story at an air show. Or maybe it was a practice drill, but that may be what's happening. Because I hear people go like, well. And I've had people come up to me and go, well, do you know that Muslims believe in Jesus? And I just go, no, they don't. What do you mean, they don't? They don't Believe he was crucified and he rose from the dead. And do you know their reasoning for that? Jews lied about it. Also, the Jews lied about the blessing of Abraham. So what they claim, Islam is they claim, we believe the people of the book we follow except for everything after Abraham, which for the uninitiated, kind of early in the Bible, which means that everything after that is lied about from the Jews and the Christians. And the analogy that I give to people is, have you ever seen the Halloween movies?

[Jillian Michaels]

Of course.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, good. Halloween 1. Okay. Everyone agrees, great. Halloween 2 takes place the same night, right? Canon, it's not as good, but it follows him in the hospital. So Judaism is Halloween 1, Christianity is Halloween 2. Really? Okay. They kind of expanded it, they add some new characters and Islam is Halloween 3. You go, what the hell happened? Some guy with magic masks and he's influencing kids. Oh, that's why we get the child brides. That's why we get to kill all Jews and Christians and every tree and rock will tell you that they are hiding behind you. And that's why Muhammad had a six year old bride who, to be fair, he only humped her thighs until she was nine. That's why we now have a leader who waged wars and killed people. That's why we have people who claim that they follow Christ or at least respect Christ, even though they deny the divine, which is one of the cardinal sins that is warned about in the Bible. And someone coming up going, did you know they think Jesus was cool? I think it's because they're regurgitating something that someone has fed them and that could be they haven't done the research necessary or if they're a smart individual, they know that it's simplistic, they know that it's dishonest, and they know that it's an easier way to gin people up. Here's another thing too, that I notice a lot of these people who will say that, you know, I'm a rhino, I'm a betrayer, whatever. Like I have a very long. People can see, I believe the same thing now and probably, if anything, more radical than back in 2009, that people would say that more extreme. A lot of them have rebranded, gone left, right, left, right. I mean, you're talking about some of them who were known leftist Democrat activists up until and including 2017. The other thing is there are legitimate grievances. So I remember when you were on the show, we talked about Nick Fuentes. The reason too, that I wanted to sit down and talk with him. And maybe now you could see my perspective. Maybe a little more. We may not agree, but I saw this wave coming. And funny enough, out of all these people, Nick Fuentes is far more reasonable because he's even.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, God, I just said that, Steven. Compared to Hasan Piker, he's an altar boy. I just never thought I would see the day that he became.

[Steven Crowder]

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[Jillian Michaels]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, that's okay. But I'm saying, even compared to people on the right, in other words, he'll go, hold on a second. Saying that this is the Jews, you know, that's really, at this point, this is just lazy and I don't want you watching my stream. And he's. And I saw this coming where I was like, look, there's no way. The person has already platformed and we need to deal with some of these ideas. And I wouldn't even put him in that same camp, though I disagree with him on a whole lot. We need to deal with this because I can see that the uninitiated, those people who maybe haven't taken the time to learn about, and they're not dumb, they're gonna be led astray. And you have a large group of people who believe that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are no different and that our country would be in a no different state and that the future of the country, by the way, it doesn't hinge on whether we give control over to the left. I'm not saying that all Republicans deserve your support. They absolutely don't. They're legitimate grievances, too. Look, I don't wanna trash but they look Nick Fuentes going, hey, he was boxed out before, before he was radically anti Israel or radically anti Semitic as people may view him. Now I don't think he is, but people view him that way. He wasn't allowed a seat at the table because he simply had a differing view on foreign policy as it relates to Israel. And that made him more adamant. And a big part of that comes from the gatekeepers, the Daily Wire, Fox News, other places out there. I mean, I had to struggle against this where I would have conversations with executives at YouTube and they would say, why do you have to, you know, the Daily Wire, they don't question election results. And I say, great, I do. And that set the, that was the pace car. They go, well, you know, other conservatives out there are okay saying everyone should get the vaccine. I said, well, I'm not. So I understand that people think they've been failed by some of their leadership, but the solution should be definitely better leadership and better and more proactive. Not only solutions, but expectations of ourselves. Not, ah, the left, AOC or Vance, Marco Rubio or Mamdani, Same thing. That's what I'm seeing and I don't believe it. I just don't think it's even close.

[Jillian Michaels]

What about this Nick Fuentes was. Listen, I don't like Nick Fuentes. I go on the record and we don't have to debate it today.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't.

[Jillian Michaels]

Having said that though, okay, this kid was debanked. I don't agree with that.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

He was deep platformed. I don't agree with that. He, he was put on a no fly list. I don't agree with that. Having said that, you know, my wish would to be for people would be to say, listen, like these things he says, that doesn't represent the values of the party. Like that thing that he said was not okay. Like we're not on board with this comment or that comment. Okay, whatever. That'd be my, my dream. Not the debanking, the de platforming, the no fly zone. Hasan Piker is so vitriolic, so aggressive, calling for assassinations. Sure. And the left not only has not debanked, de platformed, they are campaigning alongside of him. They are inviting him to speak at Yale. They are putting him on cnn. I mean they have canonized basically Hasan Piker. So I just wanna understand how they don't appreciate the obscene hypocrisy of that. And how are they embracing?

[Steven Crowder]

Can you forgive me? Can you clarify? When you say who do you mean embrace, do you mean those on the right saying there's no difference. Is that what you mean?

[Jillian Michaels]

No, I'm sorry. I'm saying the left that ruined Nick Fuentes his life. Right. And I was kind of saying, ugh, they're gonna turn around. They're gonna weaponize the Nick Fuentes conversation against the right in the midterms and in 2028. And they're gonna say, look, you know, you didn't. You didn't condemn these messages of ABCD and E. Okay, whatever. But now the left is embracing Hassan Piker.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

And he's 10 times more aggressive and vitriolic and violent and hateful than Nick Fuentes in his worst streaming moment.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. And my primary grievance with Nick Fuentes is my same grievance with Dave Smith, who's been on the show. And I will say this. They have said they declared this intervention a failure, the war in Iran a failure. And they told people to vote Democrat and then Democrat, like you said. That brings us back to Hasan pike and Mamdani. Let's be really clear about what no difference means and what. And you can tell me if you disagree with any of these premises, because I'm kind of going shorthand. Voting Democrat in 2026 means packing the courts, means abolishing the electoral College, means lowering the voting age to 16. If they have their way again, if they have their power. Unfettered means censoring speech and de. Platforming. It means disarming Americans. It means codifying Roe v. Wade. It means opening borders again. It means mass amnesty. It means more Social Security and, of course, Medicaid, Medicare, whatever you can provide for illegal aliens. It means making D.C. and Puerto Rico a state. It means codifying that biolog biological men can compete in women's sports and be in women's spaces. And effectively codifying that there are no biological gender differences. That's what voting Democrat means. It's always a compromise to vote Republican because you do have some wieners. But it doesn't mean all that. And when you talk about Hasan Piker, you know, the crazy thing is, I don't know if you know, I've been to Cuba twice, and I'm one of the few people who's been to both Havana and Guantanamo Bay. I was in Havana for a rising crust pizza commercial as a teenager. I went under a Canadian passport, and it was just the budgeting, where they were like, we have some budget at the end of the year, let's go to Cuba. It was an interior shot. They didn't even need to go to Cuba. And then I was in Guantanamo Bay doing some shows, entertaining the troops. And one of their biggest threats in Guantanamo Bay is they actually have to protect against Cubans trying to get into the prisons because of how bad it is. These people go on this liberal virtue signaling tourism. I mean, most people in Cuba. My woman, by the way, and I say this, I've been told it's sexist. My woman, who's Latina, she's part Brazilian, but Cuban. Yeah, it's sexist to single woman.

[Jillian Michaels]

I don't think it is. I think you're good, especially with my.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm good with her because you know what happens when she hears my woman. She prepares to conceive. It turns her on. So I'm gonna keep going with that because she likes a little possessiveness.

[Jillian Michaels]

I like it. Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

Her. Her adoptive mom is Cuban and a doctor and had to come here and go through all of this. And she, by the way, isn't really political, but she knows that the average salary, I think, in Cuba is, I want to say, $2,000 a year, something like that. She knows how awful the abject poverty is there. She was a doctor, and she would have to save up all month to buy a bar of soap. These people wear a Che Guevara T shirt. People like Hassan Piker. Che Guevara was just as racist, just as much of a eugenicist as Adolf Hitler, and if he had the ability, would have killed just as many people because he bragged about it in front of international council, said kill, execute without trial. We will continue to do so. And referred to the Negro as indolent and a pestilence. And he didn't say Negro all the time, just to be clear. And I'm going, hold on a second. You put him on a T shirt, and he killed, by the way, executed some black people. People go, yeah, but, you know, he just said that. But that was a different time. Yeah, but he killed black people for that, because they were indolent Negroes. That's what he said. Why do you give them a pass on that? The revolution of Cuba is that of racism, is that of actual genocide. They wanted pure. There's a term in French Canadian to pure. Pure wool. Pure Spanish, European blood. They didn't like black people there. They'll use them where convenient. But this is what Cuba is, and people go there and go, actually, it's great, and it's the fault of the United States. I ruined New Year's last year. I was at a hotel with my woman and the lady serving us drinks we went down for brunch. Something was happening with Cuba. And she said, it's horrible what the United States has done to them. And my woman said she saw that look in my. Where she's like, well, there goes the morning. And I just said, what was that? What we've done. I was like, oh, don't they have the two biggest trading partners on earth? But if communism works, by the way, it's the perfect climate. Everything grows there. Not to mention your women are beautiful. Everything. It's like God saying, here's a gift. They have China, Russia, and they can't make it work. It's our fault. We're just not trading with them. If communism could possibly work, Marxism, socialism, you couldn't have a better example than Cuba. So what they do is they try and direct you to something new. And like a dog pissing on the carpet, their face needs to be buried in it because this is not new. People need to realize Stalin, Mao, Che, Fidel, Chavez, Maduro, all of them who now the left says, no, not that example, were praised by the most prominent leftists of the time. I can walk you through them. Whether it's Oliver Stone, whether it's Bob Dylan's crazy bitch, that Susan Rotolo, the first one, Jane Fonda, saying, Fidel Castro was actually great. Now they moved the goalposts and they go, no, no, no, we don't mean that kind of communism. You guys went there and supported the government silencing dissidents, all of them. Anita Dunn, who was an advisor to Barack Obama, said, I look to inspiration, I look to Mao. Let's round down 40 million people killed under Mao's great leap forward. Stalin, right? So now they move it and go, no, we mean these Scandinavian countries. And they always will, because Marxists, it's progress for the sake of progress. And that will always lead to degeneracy. And I think you see the flip side of that. In the right, where there's no moral rooting, there's a contrarian streak. I have a general problem with authority. I get that people have a problem with authority. And they were contrarian because, you know, it was so mainstream to be left for a long time. You saw that with Gen Z males. Now they need to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. And they go, we're in the majority, so betrayer. And it's all the same. If the left has their way unfettered. You would have Mao, you would have Stalin, you would have Fidel. How do I know? Chavez, Maduro. Because they went There. And they broadcast these leftists saying, these are great people. Breadlines are a good thing. This isn't a conspiracy.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Steven Crowder]

Right?

[Jillian Michaels]

And that's expected to me, by the way, because it's like, okay, you want your moral superiority. And, you know, I was talking to Xavier Derusso recently and he's like, it's very funny how quickly a white liberal becomes racist when you don't validate their narrative and they call you Uncle Tom and all these names that I'll have to bleep on the what Anyway, but from the right I don't understand. And I remember Ben Shapiro talking about this after Charlie Kirk was killed. And he and Tucker, I guess, had. I don't know the story of this, but I guess had never really quite gotten along. And they had this moment where they spoke after that, and it was like, we should do a show together. We should work together. We've got to shut down, Mom. Donnie, Marxism is coming to America. It's gaining power. It's growing. Yeah, let's do it. And then Tucker went. It never happened. That's all I know. Ben was like, I. Ben's just as

[Steven Crowder]

much to blame, though. This is the problem, right? I have invited Tucker, Candace, Dave Smith did come on. Tucker, Candace, Nick, Dave, and as well as Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, everyone. Ben Shapiro was going to. And he didn't appear. He's been on my show over a dozen times, by the way.

[Jillian Michaels]

Why didn't he then? I don't get it.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know. Why was this debate at UPENN that was agreed upon that they then revoked the right to live stream? Why did that not happen? And then Ben speak four days later? They're legitimate grievances that people have. My point is, now you won't hear my name come out of those people's mouths once. You won't. They'll debate smaller people. And, you know, and I'm not saying

[Jillian Michaels]

that it's like, you will destroy that narrative, though. That's the thing. And you're powerful. You're not some kid with 600,000 followers. You have millions of followers.

[Steven Crowder]

And I agree with you on a lot of them. And Ben Shapiro and I agree on a whole lot. And when I used to appear with Tucker, I agree on a whole lot. So they're both to blame on that front, because it's about carving out an audience. I mean, I will say this. Ben Shapiro is right about a lot of things. He's very, very smart. Him going after, for example, his comments on Theo Vaughn. I see how people look at that and go, my God, does that sound elitist? And then they say, there's no difference between the right and the left. I do think that Theo Vaughn is very uneducated on some issues because I've heard him recite wrong statistics routinely and not know it. He's not a political pundit. But to come out and then try to browbeat the Vice President of the United States for his preference in a podcast that gives ammo to the people saying, see, these are your leaders. Burn it all down. And that's why it's a pretty hard spot to be in, because we have to call balls and Strikes. We provide all our references every day. And I think that there are some shortcomings of this administration. I think there are some shortcomings of previous Republican leadership. But the solution is not to. I see people going, man, these Rhinos are useless. Sure. If you want to say, like John Thune, Lindsey Graham, people like that. Murkowski, yes. But then to hopscotch them, to link arms with Mamdani or Ro Khanna, I go, what right?

[Jillian Michaels]

What right?

[Steven Crowder]

That's where we are.

[Jillian Michaels]

You don't think this is okay? So everybody was very anti Israel. Everybody still is anti Israel. And I entertained the conversations, and I still appreciate. Listen. The people I know that are the most critical of the Israeli government are Israelis. So, you know, I had Barry Weiss on. I had Dave Smith on. And I even showed Barry Weiss a video of Netanyahu talking about how he can manipulate America. I'm totally open to the narrative. Talk to me about it. I have no problem criticizing Netanyahu or Smart Rich or this or that or the other. But it started to become. I'm going on a bit of a rabbit hole here. Down. But I'll promise, I'll promise I'll bring it back. It started to become like, the Jew are the root of all evil. They're responsible for everything that's wrong. And then, not only did that sound absurd, the more I would investigate some of the crazier claims, you realize it wasn't true.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Jillian Michaels]

But then I started to notice the same narrative with Christians. Oh, white men. White Christian men are the root of all evil. Hillary Clinton to Ilhan Omar. I expected out of Ilhan Omar. I don't expect it out of Hillary Clinton. And now the narrative is attacking Christians.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I would say.

[Jillian Michaels]

Tell me, because there's a parallel now that I'm starting to see.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, no, no. You're right on both counts. You're wrong about the timeline. And I don't say that to offend you. Is.

[Jillian Michaels]

No, no, no. This is. You're the expert here. I'm asking you.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm far from an expert. I just literally had my face shaved into an ice. That's why I'm shaved into an ice. T Car Shield parody. And it's like the silly horseshit that we have at this office. But we do our best to be accurate. You are right. White Christian males. And that goes. That's why when we first talked about, you know, I asked about feminism. Feminism is Marxism. And let me get this out before I address that point. Now, we've seen a lot of antisemitism by the way, just for full context, AIPAC can go screw themselves with a wire brush. I agree. I have a problem with aipac. I also think Netanyahu has a reason to extend this where I think they've been horrible with messaging. And I'm still never going to run into the arms of Islam or say the Ayatollah is not that bad.

[Jillian Michaels]

So that's a balanced perspective, though, Steve, I'm guessing also you probably wouldn't want other foreign lobbies influencing our politicians, am I right? I mean, yeah, I think.

[Steven Crowder]

And by the way, they're not even the biggest one. Here's the thing is they're not registered under Farah, and it's a legitimate grievance. I think they probably should. But the way that. And that's an actual PAC right now, as far as PACs, it really is not even close as far as a sort of diaspora pack. The way that Qatar and China spend money, though, is far more pernicious in that it's done through lobbying to the tune of many billions of dollars. So when people make the comparison, they give ammo to people criticizing aipac. So I just say screw them with a wire brush and they should be treated with. They should all be treated the same. I also don't think that you have to support the Israeli government. I think we should stop the $3 billion a year. I think that in this instance, we should be the ones leading with Iran. And once we accomplish our objectives, we make it very clear, we leave. And then if Israel wants to continue a conflict, that's on them and they don't get our money. That's my perspective. I think we both have aligned interests against Iran. Going back to the Christian thing, though.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, sorry.

[Steven Crowder]

Sorry. But I do wanna say, here's the thing, if you wanna understand, and I understand, or my perception too, is that since some of this is new to you, right. You're trying to make sense of it, you're trying to approach it logically, and you can't. Do I have that about right?

[Jillian Michaels]

100%, yes. Yes. That's how I feel.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. I'll make this really easy for you.

[Jillian Michaels]

Unhinged. It does not make sense. There's no unilateral application to outrage about foreign money in our government. I appreciate reasonable criticisms of the Israeli government, but then they never apply to Qatar or Saudi or China.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure.

[Jillian Michaels]

It's just. Anyway, I'm sorry, you're spot on.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, so. And even I'll give you some more examples. For example, you probably are thinking you Know, as you mentioned, your wife as a, as a lesbian sort of conservative going, how do they have a, you know, from the river to the sea slogan next to a rainbow flag? You go, wait, hold on a second. How do they say that they're pro women while they're turning an entire generation of women into professional whores because they're sex positive? All this stuff, none of it makes sense. Here's how it makes sense. There's no moral rooting. The loyalty from the left, and this is what's concerning some of these people on the right is to Marxism. Now, what's the difference between Marxism and communism, aside from a beard? What I'm talking about with Marxism is the ism, the philosophy which leads to communism, right? Communism, socialism, seizing the means of production and distribution. Why? Because success, wealthy people, bad, proletariat deserves it. It doesn't go, maybe somebody created a business, invested as a family person and pays a fair wage. It's. We need to take it. The justification for it is seeing everything in the world through the lens of oppressor and oppressed. So if you look at a war in Israel, Palestine, even though one is far more tolerant of all the alternative lifestyles that those on the left here in the United States doesn't matter. Israel is more effective at war. So Palestine must be good. If you look at, for example, Black Lives Matter, then stop Asian hate, which went away really quickly because it turns out all the Asians in the Bay Area were getting the shit kicked out of them exclusively by black people. So they bury it. They go, okay, who's the oppressor? Who's the oppressed? Your white Christian male majority. Bad, therefore. And then it's just a jockeying for position. It's why they'll look at you as a lesbian and go, wait a second, you are a terf. Why? Because you have more social status. You're the oppressor. To trans, everything is about oppressor, oppressed. If you want to know who they're going to root for and make sense of it, just go. Who is considered the underdog? That's who they pick. Whether the underdog is a horrible human being or not. It's that simple. There's no other consistency outside of a Marxist worldview. People need to understand that because Marxism destroys everything it touches.

[Jillian Michaels]

I guess I just feel like I'm seeing the most bizarre kind of conspiracies. And I'll give you, because this makes perfect sense. I mean, you've made it very rational for me, but I was just watching Dana Lash.

[Unidentified Narrator]

So he was laying a wreath for Muslims that killed Christians in Algeria. It was a big old giant wreath too. He placed a wreath of flowers and prayed for the Algerians who died, the ones who died in the Algerian war of independence against French colonial rule at this martyrs monument in Algiers. Huh. It's like, I don't know, man. This is just to give you an update or give you an insight. This is who he's honoring. So within this, the one of the biggest massacres of this batter battle occurred at this pyrite mining town where they had 130 Europeans and 2,000 Muslims. They had lived and worked together. The mob was composed of hundreds of Muslims, both men and women, who were mostly armed with farming tools, axes, sharpened shovels or knives. And they were led by 25 FLN members. They arrived at about 11am when most of the Pied Noir men were working in the mine and the women and children were at home. A bloody massacre ensued in which European women were raped, dishowled and declared. Children had their throats, babies were against walls. Some of the local Muslim inhabitants who had initially watched re without reacting eventually joined the excited mob as it massacred Europeans under chants of Allahu Akbar blended with Algerian women's. You know, the little sounds that they were making at Sabrina what's Her Face's concert. That that's what they were doing. The attack caused the murder of 37 Europeans, mostly women and children. It was a Christian community. That is who the Pope laid a wreath for.

[Jillian Michaels]

Long story short, he goes to Algeria and he lays the wreath down for Muslims who slaughtered. And I'm actually gonna, I'll drop it in here later. Just so you know, slaughter Christians, women, children, disemboweled them, beheaded them, threw children into walls. And he has been a huge proponent of Islam now. And I pulled a few of these quotes here because they're just like he's trying to. Okay, wait. Ah, Nick Freitas said this. Okay, Nick Freitas was talking about the Pope and he said the Pope claimed we need to be less fearful of Islam. The Pope referenced Lebanon as a place where Muslims and Christians coexist. I have a lot of Lebanese friends who are Christian. That's not the case. They hate Hezbollah.

[Steven Crowder]

Let me guess, they fled.

[Jillian Michaels]

Well, of course. And then there are some that are still stuck there, which is a separate conversation because my brother in law is also Lebanese and also fled but has family over there. They hate Hezbollah. Hate them. Okay. And then he, Nick Freitas went on to say he doesn't understand why The Pope doesn't acknowledge the slaughtering of Christians across Northern Africa. Like Nigeria, for example.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, okay.

[Jillian Michaels]

When did the Pope. I'm just. This is what I mean when I tell you it feels coordinated. It just. I can't. I'm going, all right. The Pope is now promoting Islam. The right is now promoting Islam. Or the woke. Right. The left is now promoting Islam. And you're seeing what has happened to you. I'm not suggesting, by the way, that there aren't 1.8 billion amazing Muslims, but

[Steven Crowder]

the reality is there are not 1.8 billion amazing Muslims. Over close to 200 million Muslims on earth right now. And this is, I believe, according to Pew research, we've cited it, Support violence. Support violence against infidels and apostates. That's some of the time. Over 50 million support violence, often as a means to a religious and political end. So that's not an insignificant number. They would say, playing devil's at. They would say, they're not promoting Islam. They're promoting tolerance of Islam. Okay, I don't care. Because tolerance of Islam, tolerance of an ideology, of a worldview, of a theology that is basically a glorified death cult and says everyone has to be subjugated or executed is tantamount to promoting Islam. It's 10% of all Muslims worldwide support violence against non Muslims or against apostates. Those who leave the faith. Remember the Westboro Baptist Church. Remember how they were all over the media going, look at these radical Christians. It's like there's 12 members and four of them have flipper hands because they're inbred. They used to send out faxes to every radio show. Why? So the media goes, oh, they had a God hates sign at a funeral. Look at all the Christians are just as bad. You go, there's four people. There's 200 million. I believe it's 198 if someone wants to fact check me. Who support violence against non Muslims. But let's take that out because they'll say that changes throughout history. Okay? One of the first videos I ever did, I had a fatwa on me was the Quran challenge. I believe, 2008, with the blue bed sheet. I just challenged people to open the Quran to any page and read five pages in any direction and tell me it's not a violent book. That was a challenge. Let's look at the founders of the feast. In other words, you can always point to imperfect Christians. I'm one of them. You can always point to imperfect Muslims and they'll do that. They go, well, those people aren't true Muslims. Okay, what would be the truest example? Right? The most untaint for Christians, it would be Christ. For Muslims, the holiest prophet. To them, their own words. The phrase you have to say every time, like an OCD person who has to touch every corner in a room before you walk in, it's Muhammad. Okay, what if all your neighbors acted like Jesus might be a little weird, but you'd be like, he's pretty peaceful, pretty good, right? Did Jesus ever kill anybody? No. Did he ever rape anybody? Did he ever call for the rape or death? No. Did he ever marry a six year old and hump her thighs until she was nine? No. Muhammad did all those things. Muhammad did wage wars, Muhammad did advocate for violence. And Muhammad's last words were calling for the deaths of Christians and Jews. If you look to the founders of the feast, if everyone copied the archetype of Jesus Christ, you may have a few Ned Flanders and think life is a little bit boring. If everyone copied Muhammad, we would be in an apocalypse. So let's get off the some Christian, some Muslims. The numbers are still really bad. And it doesn't mean all, by the way. Not all, not all, not all, not all. I mean, for example, I don't get along with most lesbians. Not because they're lesbians, because they're not fun. You're fun. Lesbians are usually killjoys, just to be clear. They're like, that's not funny.

[Jillian Michaels]

Like, come on, I'm gonna have to take you and your woman out and, like, show you guys a good dime. I mean, my God.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, not all. You're the exception. You're the exception in my experience, not the rule. But with Muslims, there's a rule, there's an exception. And I just go, let's just look to the founder of the rule, Jesus Christ versus Muhammad. Sometimes people will say, the way I'm laying this out is reductive. Like, for example, one of my producers, Lane the Brain, would call him. He's a genius, and he'll go, isn't that reductive? I go, yes, by design. Because my goal is, when I think of who I'm broadcasting to, it could be a neurosurgeon, it could be a literal rocket scientist. But they maybe don't have time to parse through everything, right? Because they have to perform brain. It doesn't mean they're dumb. They're going, okay, okay, I want the need to knows, and it's my job to try and get them accurate information. So that they can then go on and not what to think, but how to think. That's what changed my mind is. And I'm seeing the exact opposite right now on the Marxist right. And we know that's the case on the Marxist left. I mean, in your realm, to equate it like, you know, fitness, you know, what doesn't really cut through? Hey, weight resistance a couple to a few times a week. Eating fewer calories than you expend. If you want to lose weight, eating a little bit more. If you want to gain some muscle, get out there moving, be sensible, stop before you're full. Guess what? That's not going to get the clicks. The new potion, the new ass exercise to blast your glutes. And I can't tell you how often I will get people giving me advice. And not only do I know that it's wrong, I know exactly where they got the wrong information.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah, I get it, I get it. Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, you must see this all the time, right? Someone's like, new exercises, you do your glute this way and you're like, just do a squat. Shut up.

[Jillian Michaels]

I do. But you know the part that's frustrating is the person who gave them the bad advice, right? And that's I guess where I'm thinking, I can't even give them the benefit of the oppressor, oppressed. That's a leftist thing. But the Pope, you know, the woke, right. And the one thing I'll say is, if we're going to talk about slavery, the Muslims enslaved, I think the most people throughout history, they do today.

[Steven Crowder]

They do today. There are more slaves on Earth today than ever. Over 50 million today. The only place, Gillian, the only place that there are not slaves on Earth today. Take a guess. Nice white countries. Let me be really clear here. It's practiced across Asia. It's practiced across the Middle east and the Arabic world. It's practiced in Africa. The only place where it is not practiced in mass numbers is those evil white Christian countries today.

[Jillian Michaels]

I got in so much trouble saying that on cnn. It was crazy. I'm like, this isn't true. This is just not the truth. And just to say the truth, that slavery has been around for thousands of years. The vast majority of white people did not own slaves. 350,000 white people died to end slavery. The first country I think to put an end to it was Britain. And it was like, oh, she is a white nationalist. Yeah, well, I don't even know if I'm allowed to be a white. And I'm half Arab. I don't even know if that's allowed. But that was. And I thought, why are you so desperate to hold onto this narrative? Now that's the left. So I'm going, okay, okay, okay. Oppressor, oppressed. I got it. I'm with you on that one. But what I'm not understanding is the right doesn't fall into that category. They don't play oppressor, oppressed. They know better than that. The Pope does not play that game. And you know, colonizer.

[Steven Crowder]

The Pope does, though.

[Jillian Michaels]

Islam started in Saudi Arabia. Isn't it in like 50 plus countries now across the world? I just, I can't help but think this is on purpose.

[Steven Crowder]

And by the way, I'm with you. I didn't say that. I don't believe that. I said I can't prove it. And I try to be very straightforward with people and clarify what it is that I can prove versus what is a suspicion. I will tell you this. We've had guests on the show. I believe some were bishops, I don't know their official title or cardinals who talked about the left infiltrating the Vatican and the Catholic Church the same way they have academia.

[Jillian Michaels]

I just saw that all these bishops that apparently went to go try to brainwash the Pope or something crazy like that.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, there is a bent of that for sure. There's definitely a strain of that. I don't think this Pope is in any way conservative. Now, that doesn't mean all Catholics. To be clear, I'm not talking about Catholics, I'm talking about the Pope. When the Pope says, hey, I am just out there to discuss the gospel. Well, no, you specifically talked about borders. You specifically talked about immigration policy and you talked about enforcing immigration policy and how deportations were inhuman. The second you start talking about that, criticism is warranted. The problem that I have with the Pope is the same problem I have with those people you mentioned on the right. They don't answer for it. They don't show up. They don't make that walk to the debate arena. And he never will have to. That's why he doesn't represent all Catholics. I think it was imprudent some of the things that Donald Trump did and probably ginned up some Catholic voters who rightfully would be offended or upset. I'm more upset or concerned with the Marxism that you see from this Pope. Do you think the Pope doesn't know what happens, the slaughter, the actual genocide of Christians in African nations? You'd have to believe that he has a room Temperature, IQ and be functionally retarded. I don't believe that. I don't believe he's. I believe he's an intelligent person. So, yeah, it begs the question why I can't prove it. And by the way, today when they talk about the middle, there's still a huge slave market, for example, in Libya. I mean, the World Cup. That was an issue where it was going on. It's still going on. One correction, Britain did end it. Or, sorry, England, but they still had slavery in the British Empire. So that's one of those things. They were like, well, we don't have it here at home. You're like, what about the colonies? Like, don't look beyond that curtain. So, like. So we are uniquely responsible for ending slavery. The Western world in general, we're the only place that doesn't practice it, but we're the only place that is still blamed for the evil of that. And going back to the Christian, where you talked about the. The war against Christian men, the Jew thing is, Is something that's always been going on. Sometimes there are legitimate grievances.

[Jillian Michaels]

To be clear, these parallels, they're not rational. Stephen. That's what I'm talking about.

[Steven Crowder]

But the Christian thing has been longer in this country. And what I mean is, really with feminism in the 60s. Yes, okay. With feminism.

[Jillian Michaels]

That switched me when I got the

[Steven Crowder]

timeline wrong and then I got off topic.

[Jillian Michaels]

Sorry, no, that was actually me, I think. But go ahead. Let's get back to it.

[Steven Crowder]

The goal has been to destroy the nuclear family in this country. By the way, from feminism in the 60s, you can even go back to universal suffrage and see those spells of socialism back there, but you even see it in Black Lives Matter. It's in their charter. The nuclear family is a byproduct of white supremacy and patriarchy. That's not my. These are not my words. These are their words. It's in the charter of Black Lives Matter. They want to destroy the nuclear family. Strong traditional nuclear families with mothers and fathers were designed to be the central building block of American governance, meaning before federal government, before state government, before municipal government, you had a form of self governance, and we had our. I believe it was Adams who said, our laws, our government, for anyone other than a moral and Christian people is wholly unjust or wholly inadequate. I believe he said, because he needed a form of self governance. And self governance, families are much more difficult to control. That's always been the goal. They wanted to get women out of the house in a nuclear family and into the workforce. And by the way, industrialists, the Rockefellers, people like that. This isn't a Jew thing. They wanted access to cheap labor and a bigger workforce, and people got into the rat race. And now the state raises the kids, which, by the way, Karl Marx said was the ultimate end goal. He said, give me four years with those kids and they will be communists for life. So feminism was never about choice. They presented it that way. But if you look at the writings from these original feminists and existentialists and some who were interested in the occult, it was all about the destruction of the nuclear family and these social mores that we had that were necessary for the United States to have a limited government. So that means attack white Christian males. I have twins. I have a daughter and a boy. So boy, girl, twins. I have to raise them very differently. And by that I mean tell them that they're both fearfully, wonderfully created in the eyes of God and that outside of that, their choices and decisions are what define them. I'm going to have to tell my son, you're not a piece of shit just because you were born a white male. And I'm going to have to tell my daughter, you're not perfect just the way you are. Because it's two different messaging systems that we're getting. Young girls are told they're perfect. Young men are told that they need to check their privilege and that they're toxic. And what we're seeing, there are two charts, Gillian. This is the biggest issue that our country faces. Because if you have strong men and you have strong families, you don't have the problem of the left. You really don't. The big problem we have demographically is far too many women are willing to give up freedom, liberty, basic social, moral mores in the name of comfort or compassion, which is ever changing. We need to get back to this. Because without strong men, we cease to have of a society. And you see two charts. Two charts. And I tell people, if you want to understand, how do we fix this problem? Because people aren't getting married, they're not having kids. They did a study where, and I run this all the time, where they had women rate men on a scale from 1 to 10, right? Thousands of men. They had men rate women on a scale from 1 to 10. Now, considering what we have been told, which is these unrealistic beauty standards for women. Men are vain, men are shallow. So the men rated the women. It's a perfect bell curve from 1 to 10, the women rated the men. And it's a reverse hockey Stick they rated, I believe it was anywhere from 60 to 80% below average, which is statistically impossible. And then you look at the views of men that women. We just covered this last week. Views of men from women under the age of 25, it's only 35% positive. Whereas young men, of women, we've been told, right, the manosphere toxicity. 70%, 72, I believe, was the number of young men view women favorably. As men get older, they view women less favorably. As women get older, they view men more favorably. Which means it comes from life experience. And this has to be corrected because guess what? Women do have a biological window, and that's a big reason for this. When they're young, no man will do. And when they're older, men are going, you know what? I had to deal with this for the last 20 years. You can't fix this by browbeating men. You have to go to the group that thinks all men are twos and that they are all tens. Because that's the voting demographic that will destroy this country. It's delusional.

[Jillian Michaels]

Can I ask you this? I've heard when it comes to black families, it's like, well, white people destroyed black families because they put all Social Security. Not Social Security, I'm sorry, like food stamps and all this. Social assistance and the safety net and all of that. But the dad had to be out of the home. So it was a whole plan all along by the evil white. And by the way, it's pretty freaking convincing. I'm not going to lie. To get the black father out of the home, to destroy the black families. And it worked. Okay, I actually. It seems like it worked. Correct me if I'm wrong, it seems pretty nefarious. But you're telling me that Black Lives Matter has, in the charter, get rid of the nuclear family. Isn't that one of the worst things that's happened to black Americans, arguably by white politicians?

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, Everything you've just said is correct.

[Jillian Michaels]

Well, then why.

[Steven Crowder]

I know that's why you have to see Marxism, right? Because they go oppressor. Oppressor. In other words, they go nuclear. Family was really valued by white Christians. Right? That was the goal. They're the majority. They're for oppressor. That's how they view it. And going back to that, if we're

[Jillian Michaels]

talking about are you the majority? By the way, though, I'm so sorry to interrupt it. It really doesn't seem like that anymore.

[Steven Crowder]

That's because a lot of white Christian men have been pussies. That's really what it is. Yes, we still are. We still are. You are. Okay, not a majority. Still the biggest bloc outside of white

[Jillian Michaels]

women does not feel that way.

[Steven Crowder]

I get it. I get it. On the model that was model cities in the Great Society. I believe we're going back to Lyndon Johnson. Yeah. I will say this cuz people will fact check you and they'll say you're a conspiracy theorist. You're not wrong. It was really. You could just view it this way to buy votes. Right. The modern welfare state where the Democrat party wanted to buy votes from black people. And you could argue both ways. The unintended consequence was that it created the baby mama as a result because there was an incentive to not have the dad in the home. In other words, we can't prove that they specifically wanted to take dads out of the home. That is the net result. And that has been catastrophic. And I just don't want you to get where someone goes see some crazy conspiracy. It is true. People can look at us. People can look at, by the way, the outcomes for black Americans that were actually significantly better as far as relationships, as far as divorce rates before that. It doesn't mean that Jim Crow was good. To be clear, what we're saying is that the Democrat created. A Democrat party created a catastrophic scenario with black Americans in order to buy votes. And that's what we're doing now. 40%, 40 something percent of Americans anywhere from 41 to 47 depending on the year, pay nothing in federal income taxes and receive thousands of dollars in benefits. And their vote counts just as much as yours. That's a problem. This, and this is not, I know you've talked about with Andrew. This is not about women voting.

[Jillian Michaels]

I was just, I was like, I completely saw what he was talking about there. I'm like, I could get on board with you question on this one. You have no stake in it. Yeah, yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, here's the thing. A conversation. We have to get away from this idea of democracy. Good democracy isn't good. Democracy is really, really the byproduct of the people who are the majority. And you need to have some mechanism to protect the rights of the minority from the majority. We are not a democracy. We are not even people use the term democratic republic. We are a representative republic. And the founding fathers were exceedingly clear. This is not controversial whatsoever and never would have been until the 19th amendment. Not because women voting, but because that was the era of everyone voting with no qualifications. Representatives were exclusively supposed to represent those who could create and keep a country, not people who come to a country to take, not people who live their whole lives suckling at the taxpayers teat, not criminals who the left also believes should vote. They had an older voting age than we have today, even though they started families younger. They believed and they knew that a representative republic with the constitutional framework that we have is only adequate for a Christian and moral people. And the representatives need to represent those who can make and sustain a country. The idea now is everyone gets a say even if they contribute nothing. And that is. That is music to the ears of a Marxist.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's a very good point. And I don't want to mislead people. Like, I have all the solutions, but I will say going back to, like, change my mind was started because I was at Fox News for years and we couldn't have the kinds of conversations that would actually convince people. Right. You're in a quadrant view and you have four minutes, and it's about. About eating up time. So it really is about bringing people to your way of thinking. And a lot of people have been very effective in doing that. To be clear, not everyone can be convinced. Right. A debate is different from an approach of a Socratic method. I think the most important skill set that you can have, and I truly mean this in addressing or assessing leftists, is, are they a Democrat? Are they a liberal by default, for example? And I don't say that to insult, but you were surrounded by it.

[Jillian Michaels]

Listen, I think I am I truthfully a liberal by default in that, like, you know, you and I, I'm a very live and let live kind of a person. The only problem is I'm starting to see your argument, Andrew's argument, Tom McDonald's argument of, hey, you know, we let you guys do the whole live and let live thing, and it kept going and it. Listen, I would never give up my family. I can't. This is. Sure, that's not what I'm trying to argue for. I'm simply saying I get what the argument is of, you know, it was like a slippery slope. It was one gimme after another, gimme after another, gimme. And now you're trans and kids and here we are. Yeah, and I so.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, what I was. Yes, and I said that because I don't want to. But you were surrounded by it. And there are a lot of people like you who are liberal, left by default. What do I mean by that? What I mean is if you go to public school, if you go to college, if you watch any, certainly for a long time now, it's changed mainstream media legacy, the entertainment industry, the media, big tech, entertainment industry, complex. Everything by default would tell you to be left. You'd have to be proactive to be young and being a conservative. So in other words, it's very easy, particularly for women to take the default position, which is liberal. Which is why I'm very hardened that we're sitting here talking because I do believe. And I sat and I said, this is someone who is learning some things and is willing to have a conversation. Okay, so you approach that with hopefully a convincing argument. The skill that's most important is being able to identify the difference between someone like you, who can be brought into the fold with reason, logic, and people who will not have ears to hear, meaning the propagandizers themselves, who are so dug in that even when you need to make an example of them. And that's why sometimes people think I'm a real asshole, A, because I can be. But B, if you came in and you were trying to push that shit, it wouldn't have lasted long. I treat those people very differently because my goal is to make an example of that fool so that someone like you can hear. And now we need to apply that to people on the right. I've always said there's change my mind and there's debate, and recognizing whose mind can be changed is the most important thing. And now that needs to apply to the right. If someone is saying that there is no difference or there's an equivalency between Islam and Christianity, historically, theologically, philosophically, that person's worldview or what they're presenting needs to be dealt with according to the absurdity that it actually tries to convey. There are plenty of people out there who may believe it. Meaning I've had people go, did you know that Muslims actually like Jesus? I go, this person doesn't know. Well, what does that mean? And I've had at least a Dozen people go, oh, I didn't know that. But the person who I see going, did you know that Muslims view Jesus the same way as Christians? I go, problem? And we're gonna hash it out. Approaching that way and recognizing the two different groups of people, we used to have to apply it to the left. Unfortunately, now we do have to apply it to the right. And you can have these conversations all the time. We do have a system in place. We have probably an administration right now who receives feedback more than any other in my lifetime. And I do think, culturally, part of the uncomfortable realities is that people who aren't traditional, sort of heterosexual, Christian, patriotic Americans need to recognize that that was the bulwark against this. You may not like heterosexual Christian, conservative white males, but guess what? Without them, or with a castrated version of them, you get Europe, you get Canada, you get the rest of the world. This is the last. This is the last stand right here. It's really what it is.

[Jillian Michaels]

I never wanted that, though, Stephen. I never wanted a castrated version of them. I don't even understand and how we got here. And you're right, I got the timeline all wrong because I thought it was just in the last couple of years. So I don't even. It just. Of course, that's when the country falls. Of course, that's when everything falls to crap. And we're seeing in all the places you're telling us, and now we're seeing it in our own country. And I really hope. I have to imagine that deep down, on a psychological level, everybody had a dad. Maybe your dad wasn't perfect, but you sure wanted that perfect dad. You wanted the perfect dad to walk you down the aisle. You wanted the perfect dad that was gonna protect you. Everybody had that dad. And whether ironically, whether you're straight or not, everybody wants the guy. Friend that walks on the outside of the sidewalk. I'm sorry, Everybody wants that guy.

[Steven Crowder]

Everybody wants that guy, but society hasn't earned that guy. The society of women around today have not earned that guy. And they're checking out. That's the problem. I mean, let's just look at this. And I know. I know, and I know you have plenty of things to do, and so do I. Could talk forever, but I will.

[Jillian Michaels]

No, I've kept you well.

[Steven Crowder]

No, I appreciate all the time. Don't give me.

[Jillian Michaels]

I'm trying to be respectful.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, no, no. Believe me, I never actually get to, because on my show, I have to make sure that I'm informing so I can just kind of freeball it here. If that's. No, not free ball, spitball, whatever, we can cut that. It's not live. Okay, Free ball. I'm going commando. I will say this. Let's look at any of these fundamental issues, okay? And how they were shut down. Abortion, wherever you line up, has become absolutely radical where there is no scientific basis for the current left abortion policy. None whatsoever. It's a life. They know it's a life. They want to kill it anyway. Would that happen if men were truly in charge? No. We were told no vagina, no opinion. And now there are plenty of, you know, they say that men can give birth to because trans. So they don't really have a slogan because it's retarded. But then let's look at trans men and women's sports. I'm just using the social issues that are really obvious. There was not a demographic of men, no race or age group that supported it, only women. Then you even go to things like income tax and redistribution and socialism, and you see a favorable view from women and an overall negative view from men. If you look at any major issue we are discussing right now, you will see a split. And it is almost always heterosexual, Christian, white American men who say, we're not gonna allow men to beat the shit out of women in sports. We're not going to allow women to have abortions 1, 2 and 3, all the way up until birth. And having a taxpayer subsidized. We are not going to have a socialist tax code. All of it. There is a split. It is remarkably consistent. And that's why they've been castrated and neutered. Because now women go, well, I want a man to be a gentleman. Great. Are you virtuous or were you an onlyfans model for the last five years? And now that it's kind of run its course and you've aged out, you want that gentleman. That's why you see men as they get older, their view of women, their favorability. It starts off at like 70, 80 goes down. Women start at 30, and then it goes up when they want one. We have to direct this. And this is something I can't do because I can already hear it from some of your audience patriarchy. Well, well, guess what? Off I'm right. This is what actually needs to happen. And it doesn't mean that we want to oppress anybody. Men will lay their lives down for good women. They absolutely will. They're looking for them and there aren't enough around. And I know you know what I'm talking About. If you see the screeching, and you see it on the right too, by the way, you see the same strains of feminism on the right that is just as pervasive and just as much of a problem as. And you can't fix it by. We've browbeaten men, We've castrated them. We've told them, hey, sit down, shut up, no vagina, no opinion. How's that working out? Women have been in charge of our cultural norms, really, since the 1960s. If you look at academia, if you look at media, if you look at print, if you look at policy as it relates to health care, here are the results. Maybe listen to those guys for a change who've been vilified. Doesn't mean only them. Means stop vilifying them. That's a big component.

[Jillian Michaels]

I guess. I always looked at the world and thought that, listen, I don't subscribe to a religion personally, and I hope that doesn't make me deplorable to you, and I do appreciate your beliefs and that you think that I will end up in hell and whatever. Separate.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm gonna bother you. I'm trying to save you from hell. It doesn't make you deplorable. I don't want you to be hellbound, Jillian.

[Jillian Michaels]

I can't. This is a separate show that I should do with both you and Andrew, because it's like, I really. I swear to you, I was born this way.

[Steven Crowder]

Way.

[Jillian Michaels]

I genuinely. We've. I think we did touch upon this on your show. Like, I actually love men. I. I love them. It's just that when it becomes physical, it. It's almost like it would be like you being physical with a man. It's like something doesn't. It doesn't compute.

[Steven Crowder]

And.

[Jillian Michaels]

And that's a separate conversation. But I. I don't subscribe to any sort of religion, but I do believe in God. And I just think the world is too incredible, the universe is too incredible, and there's just too many amazing coincidences for life to exist. And there's gotta be a creator, in my opinion.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

And when I think, like, okay, well, God would have created man and woman. It is the perfect yin yang balance, partnership, even in a relationship, you know, women can be. I tend to think more like a man. And so there is a good balance with my wife. But in a lot of. A lot of gay relationships, I'm like, this is why. This is why men and women belong together, because they balance each other out.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

I think what I feel like I'm Hearing from you and Andrew is not like women need to always be barefoot and pregnant. They can never, ever have a career. Like, we don't want you to get an education. I don't hear that. I just hear you guys saying you have emasculated men. You guys have minimized us, you have sidelined us, you've shamed us, and you've told us everything about being a man is bad. I hear the same thing from Nick Fredes and Dr. Drew, by the way, who was a former liberal. And that is what's destroying society. And that is not okay. And women listen. I feel my own empathy at times. Like Stephen, I would have wanted us to go into Iran just watching those people die. And at least I know that that's a problem. I watch.

[Steven Crowder]

I appreciate that. Your objective. Because like I say, hey, those people want us to. It doesn't mean that it's our role. Right. In other words, there are plenty of places that need saving. It doesn't mean that it's a legitimate role of the American government. But to go to what you just said, I would just reframe it a little bit.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Because I framed it a little bit as a victim. It's not a victim thing. It's not that men have been minimized. I would even make. Let me put a really, really fine point on it.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

It's that the left has destroyed women. Let's walk through that for a second. If you were to follow the advice of the left, in other words, their prescription for life, okay, what has been advocated through feminism, what would you do?

[Jillian Michaels]

Do?

[Steven Crowder]

You'd be sex positive. If you're hot enough, you do onlyfans. Back in the day, it'd be a bunny ranch because. And don't let a man tell you any difference because he's the one sexualizing you. You'd go to school, you'd be saddled with student debt. You'd become a boss babe. You'd be in large and in charge. You'd probably be fat and proud of it. Because that was another part of the Marxist feminist movement. Right. And that morphed into that. I mean, I'm an actual Fat Pride published professor. I did that at a conference as an undercover trans. That's how absurd it is. I wrote a paper on fat pride as a method of self care in the era of Trump and I actually got to deliver a keynote. But you would be onlyfans. You would go to school, be saddled with debt, and by the way, school, the college experience would be four years of glorified alcoholism and whoredom. And you'd find some sad. You'd eat, pray, love. You wouldn't need a man because you wouldn't want one. And you would pursue other endeavors that are more meaningful until you decide to maybe have a family in your 30s. And guess what? The stats are in doesn't work. Mental health is bad. These women regret these decisions. Women are miserable because they've been doing it the way they've been doing it under the guidance of women. What have men said? Don't be a whore. Of course we murder rapists, by the way, whipping posts. A lot of people don't realize this. That was men whipping men for hitting their wives. And do you know what happened if a guy got hit by his wife back in the day? He also got hit and mocked. How could you be such a pussy that you let your wife hit you? We've never approved of, we're not an Islamic nation. Oppression, beating. Men go, don't be a whore. Have some self respect. Men go, well, if you want to find a man, then you better make yourself attractive in a way to the kind of man that you want. And women pursue things that they want in a man. That's the feminist approach, right? Let me just let you in on this. We don't care about your degree, we don't care about your job. It's why people like Bezos and billionaires will marry a waitress or a teacher. Men want the same things they've always wanted from women. They want peace, they want nice, they want a safe refuge. Their language, more so than affection, is respect. And they will lay their life down for you in exchange, right? That's what you get. But you need to be a virtuous woman instead. Women are going, I want a man who's authoritative. I want a man who's successful. I want a man who went to a good school. I want a man who makes a good income. Statistically, these are undeniable. It's what women look for. And they turn themselves into men and go, why don't men care? I have an awesome job and I have a great salary. The man goes, you're 35 years old and you've been single all this time and you've had no interest in a family. And he's probably going to go for a 25 year old. And that drives women nuts. If you follow the prescription of the left as a young woman, it will lead to ruin. And if you follow the prescription of the left as a white Christian male, you just sit down, shut up and have no opinions. That's what's got to change. It's destroyed women.

[Jillian Michaels]

I get it. I see what you're talking about. I do. I understand your perspective. Can I push back on one thing?

[Steven Crowder]

Anything.

[Jillian Michaels]

What if the woman's going, I didn't get this degree because I can hear certain people I know. And I didn't get this degree for him. I got this degree for me. And then I would say, listen, I pursued my career. I pursued my career for me. And that was, you know. So how does one answer that?

[Steven Crowder]

Well, here's the thing. Of course people can do that. And by the way, women always pursued careers. They did it after they had families and children because people understood biology. Women, once the kids were saying, well, it's true. And this is not new. It's just that Andrew has a voice now and he's very good at articulating it. He approaches it more, more philosophically. And I try and approach it pragmatically, statistically. Look, women have a different biological window than men do. I one time went into a without getting a therapist who said, I immediately advocate that no woman even consider getting married. Even consider it before 35. I said, wow, imagine anyone who listens to this advice. No one's stopping you from pursuing a career. What we are saying is, how do we as a society facing a failing birth rate, facing an intergender dynamic that is fractured, broken, and people aren't getting married, they're not even interacting. How do we fix this? And we were better off when we had traditional gender norms and expectations. And men, women can scream until they're blue in the face, then die alone. And I'm talking about young, heterosexual, liberal. But I did this. He doesn't care. You can scream all you want, but men have been saying what it is they want, what it is they expect in there. I believe there's nothing more fulfilling in life then family and children. I'd give everything else up for one Christmas morning with my kids. That's how meaningful it is. But what do we do as a society? When you have kids, your life is over. Maybe you're just a miserable bitch. Maybe you're not a good mom. How could anyone after having kids? I can't imagine telling someone that. Right. That's what we do all the time. We are directing people. Or to be fair for those, they say maybe you're a miserable prick. It could be the dad too. I can't compute that. These parents who go through that don't. By and large, they're always exceptions. See, the Meaning and fulfillment and purpose. You know why? Because it's a lie. Almost any parent will tell you that. But that voice is not reflected. And young women are pursuing the wrong things. And the dating pool is growing. It's shallower and shallower. You said they might pursue it for themselves. Maybe largely. Bullshit. Here's the thing. Like, women will also do this. They'll say, I'm wearing makeup. Like, the reason women wear rouge is because it simulates the sexual flushing. Right? That's the reason. The reason women wear heels. Same thing, by the way, for lipstick. The reason that women wear heels is because it accentuates. Right, the birthing hips. Okay? And then women will say, I don't wear this for men. I just do this for me. Really? Really. Are you doing that when you're by yourself? It'd be like me walking out with my balls painted like a bumblebee dangling from my jeans, saying, I just do this for me. This makes me feel sexy. Why are you looking at me? It's absurd. You don't do it for yourself. It is designed to attract a mate. You just don't want to be honest about it because gee golly, boss, babe doesn't need to garner a valid opinion from anyone else. Isn't that silly? I wear this for myself. Really? Let's big brother your house for a couple of weeks. How much you want to bet you're in sweats immediately eating from the pint of ice cream? Not you specifically. Let's just be honest about it.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, my God. Oh, God. I, I hate to say I hope this doesn't offend you, but I just, I happen to adore you.

[Steven Crowder]

It doesn't offend me at all, which

[Jillian Michaels]

I'm sure is so. Is so. You know, I don't know. I, I, I, I hope that's not offensive.

[Steven Crowder]

Why would it be offensive?

[Jillian Michaels]

I don't know.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm one step away from turning you straight. That's a compliment.

[Jillian Michaels]

If there was a man, I'm telling you, it would absolutely be you. And I wouldn't even be upset about the my woman thing. I would absolutely embrace. I might tattoo it right here. My woman back ass cheek. Although, I don't know.

[Steven Crowder]

Hispanic women love it, by the way. And you know what? That's a good example. They have a matriarch Hispanic women. So I don't know she's gonna get mad at this. And I don't have any pictures of me and my family and stuff. I stay very private. And I've never even discussed these things when and actually the subject, the target of extortion. But she. I've watched her mom yank her hair in front of me, which sounds terrible, but here's what happened. We went to a store and her mom was there. And her mom is, you know, old school Hispanic woman, right? Wears heels to do her stress test when she goes into the hospital. I've never wear shoe, running shoe in my life. I'm not going to start shoes. They're like, okay, but you can't get on the treadmill. No. So we went to a store and I was with my woman and her mom was there where she was visiting for Thanksgiving. And some people came up and asked for a picture. At one point, they were two younger, attractive women. Okay? Now, what my woman's mom didn't know is she was upset with her sister over something, so she was kind of sulking and moody. She, meaning her mom, interpreted that as her mad at me because two attractive women asked for a picture. And I watched her. She was walking in the house. And as she was walking, like she had been clotheslined by an invisible ghost, her mom yanked her ponytail. What's wrong with you? You're gonna lose him. He's a good man. You jealous? Oh, he's famous. Be a dolch. And she came over. She's like, my mom is making me say I'm sorry. Cause she thinks that that's what happened. I'm like, because you're mad at your sister. I'm like, no, no, no, no. But the point is, people say strong woman, it's usually your grandma, the Hardison home, It was usually the woman who took care of the family. It wasn't the woman who was a CEO. And a lot of these, especially with the Hispanic community, they have a matriarch and what? I mean, little things dress up. And I'm not saying women have to do. This is gonna sound chauvinistic. They wear dresses to clean the house. Do you know why? Their logic is because Hispanic men statistically cheat more than white men. That's true. Hispanic men cheat more than white men. Black men cheat more than Hispanic men. With women, white women and black women cheat much more than Hispanic women. Asians always cheat the least. These are statistical realities. Because Hispanic women go, if you have a good man, you need to work to keep him. Cuz you could end up with the kind of macho asshole that we had to deal with who hits you and cheats on you anyway. So they go, you don't just keep a good man by taking him for granted. That's why she yanked your ponytail. Which I'm not condoning. It was just very funny to me that she was like, you stop doing this. You could. You know, what kind of man. And we used to have matriarchs who taught young women. We're always taught how to be a gentleman, Gillian. And rightfully so. How to treat a woman. Yes, rightfully so. How often are young women taught how to treat a man? I've never met one who answers that they were ever.

[Jillian Michaels]

Gosh, I have to really think about that. The one thing that I will tell you, I see in my household, in particular from my Catholic conservative wife. She will give our. Our daughter a huge rash of. Of. And she's like, don't be a. I'm like, oh, my God, honey, don't use that word. She should use that word. I'm just telling you, this is what people say. Don't be a whore. And I'm like, but she was raised that way. Like, she had brothers, her mother. And she'll tell my daughter, like, that skirt seem appropriate to you? Because she'll have outgrown it. Let's say, for example, you know, she'll have gotten taller and skirts a little shorter.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

And she's like, are you serious? Did you look in the mirror? I'm like, oh, my God, honey. I'm like, you said, like, stop. This is crazy. But it's. It's interesting, because the person that my daughter loves the most is probably my wife.

[Steven Crowder]

There you go.

[Jillian Michaels]

She wants to spend the most. She leans into it. She wants to be more like her. And I. You know, as the classic. I'm like, oh, my God. Don't. Don't say that. Even though you know deep down you're thinking like, sweetheart, listen. Don't be promiscuous. Love yourself. Value your body. Don't give yourself away to somebody. Sex is not love. But it's like, I mean, just. David, she is.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, yes, a big thing is. And you know, like, I obviously believe in Father Mother, because I think that's the best way to rear a child. But a big reason for that is because. And it sounds like you're talking about. You said Catholic conservative is a little bit more of the strong hand or rougher men. Like, I can tell you this. I don't know how to put scrunchies in my daughter's hair. I'm very bad at it. And I'm paranoid that I'm gonna hurt. Like, I have a little bit of nail paint right now. Cause I didn't realize it was actual Nail polish. I thought it was a marker. I was like, what? But I do know how to protect her and I do know how to assess threats. Men, fathers can protect and raise young women because they are in the quote unquote predator class. Moms can't do that with boys. They don't know the perpetual threat of violence under which men are raised. And that actually is what keeps men behaviorally in check. This is a big lie too. And we could probably end on this, but I was talking with Piers Morgan about this. Men have been in charge for a long time. Why don't we let women get a shot?

[Jillian Michaels]

Shot.

[Steven Crowder]

Women have been in charge historically at different periods. It stopped because of unbridled cruelty. They were far more cruel. And we can go through those different examples. But even if you look at the big certain queens, Cleopatra, I mean, she was an opium whore who had a gourd filled with bees that she was using as a vibrator. And basically her four year old brother was running shit. I'm exaggerating to make a point. And she wasn't black as they did in that Netflix thing.

[Jillian Michaels]

I actually have heard the bee thing before, but I just thought it was.

[Steven Crowder]

It may or may not be true, but it's a funny tidbit.

[Jillian Michaels]

But okay, maybe I heard it on your show. That might have been where I heard it before.

[Steven Crowder]

But men. Okay, so here's one. We got a lot of flack for this. Where we had a website. You may get offended. It was battered lesbians.org and we did a whole PSA but actually gave money to an organization because people don't realize this. Heterosexual relationships, domestic abuse. Let's just say that's the baseline gay same sex relationships, meaning two men is much lower than heterosexuals, lesbians much higher. Now let me explain to you, and I've been saying for years, why I believe that is we can't know. I'm positive I'm right. It's that men both have nukes. And men every single significant friend. And I've had the same best friend since I was 12 years old. We've almost come to blows now we've stopped. Why? Because we know that there's that line and that keeps us in line. Armed citizens make a polite society. The same thing with men because we know we can't cross that line. Women don't face that. And so if two men, two. Even though you want to think it's like, you know, Nathan Lane and Robin Williams and Birdcage, at the end of the day, someone's not Bitch slapping the other guy without it being a fight. So the man has to make this estimate. Do I want to get into a full fledged fist fight tonight? Because that's what's going to happen. When it's two men, there's obviously a power differential. When it's a man and a woman, often in lesbian relationships, there's usually one who is significantly more powerful or masculine or really is willing to upset the dynamic because women aren't as physically violent where once one decides to cross over into that, they have the upper hand. But the statistics are undeniable. So men, fathers can raise girls. They won't be able to do the scrunchies. They'll be a little bit too big for the Tea Party set. But they can protect them and they can prevent them from becoming strippers and only fans. Moms alone can't do that with young boys because it's a very, very different world and people need to face that. That's why the nuclear family, the form of self governance, is so important. And it's why the left has sought to destroy it. The fact that it's surprising to you, it's in the Black Lives Matter charter, also part of Marxist ideology. You read as manifesto. They're going to have to do away with the family, the state. You know, Karl Marx thought the state should have control over the kids. What do you think it is when a kid goes to school for eight hours and then four hours of daycare so that two parents can work in the rat race sounds a whole lot like a roundabout way to the state raising your kid. To me, and we wonder why this is what we have, a generation of brokenness. It goes beyond politics. But the men who've been trying to discuss this are told to sit down and shut up. And that's gotta change. And men and women should be each other's greatest allies and love each other. But it means that we have to acknowledge our differences and reverse course. I do think that's the most important issue facing America. And if that doesn't get fixed and our birth rate problem doesn't get fixed and we don't have strong families, we won't have a country anymore. It starts with that.

[Jillian Michaels]

You've certainly opened my eyes to a lot of things that I would never have previously understood or seen. I mean, even now we see the. And I know I need to let you go, but just to validate that point is. And now you're seeing kids being indoctrinated in school. Schools.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Like what gender are you today? I Mean, that kind of craziness when they ask kids in freaking elementary school what gender they feel like today.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

Or college kids that are, you know, you just talked about getting that paper passed on. Like, I can't really fat. Whatever the heck it was, like pride and all of this. That. That there is that indoctrination happening without question. So now I'm going, oh, my God, was all this purpose all. I go back into my kind of conspiracy, conspiratorial mind view. But I. Anyway, I just.

[Steven Crowder]

It's not a conspiratorial mind, mind you. I, I'll. Let me leave you with. And I appreciate it. Now I'll. I'll do this, you know, have you on the show again anytime you want to. And by the way, I very rarely do other shows because I don't like it. Often I'm just like, I don't. I don't need to, our show. But I, I, you know, you, I figured it was fair and I've enjoyed myself.

[Jillian Michaels]

This is like, you know, child's play compared to your monster.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, no, it's not that. It's just that I only have so much time in the day, so I very much appreciate it. I gave you the leftist prescription. Let's give you the evil, patriarchal white supremacist, according to the left's definition, right? Meaning Black Lives Matter, antifa, Karl Marx, feminists of the 60s, Simone de Beauvoir, Julia Butler. Go through all of it. The evil, patriarchal white supremacist prescription, just for young women. You would grow up in a family with a mom and a dad who set boundaries, who love you, who discipline you, who, very likely at this day and age, probably homeschool, as opposed to sending you to public school. You'd have a mom at home. You would be taught what it is to be a lady. And if you want a husband, if that's something you want to pursue, that you have a limited time frame in which to do it. You find a husband of your own. You stay with him, you have children, and once the kids are out of the house, you can go and pursue any travel or career you want. Don't do only fans. Don't go to the strip club. Don't saddle yourself with debt. No four years of glorified alcoholism. And sometimes you might have to keep your mouth shut and salute and march out because you respect one leader of the household. Which one sounds better? Which one sounds more harrowing? And think of this one last point. Remember, we always thought of homeschool kids as Weird, right? They're like kids. There's a weird homeschool kids. They go, yeah, your kid is weird. He hangs around with adults. And I go, yeah, yeah, your school has Leah Thomas. Shut the up. That's where I am. Okay, I'll take a little homeschool weirdness over some kid walking in. In a furry outfit, which, by the way, is not that. It happens at every school. Public school in America, and we have to validate it. All right. I've made my choice.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay. Steven Crowder, you're magnificent. Where could people find you?

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, yeah, I forgot the pla. Rumble. Obviously, people can watch the. It's 11am weekdays. Every weekday, we live stream. And of course, there's a YouTube channel. But Rumble is the best place to tune in live. And we still do it every day without a net broadcast live. And you can follow S. Crowder on X because there's a bastard who has Steven Crowder and won't give it up.

[Jillian Michaels]

Let's take that guy out.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, careful. People are gonna say we're advocating for assassination. No, no, no, no. Don't cut it. You meant we'll send him a nice fruit. We'll send him some Sherry's berries and see if it works out.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jillian Michaels]

We'll. We'll appeal to his better nature.

[Steven Crowder]

All right. Crumble cookies. Thank you. Thank you, Jillian. I appreciate it.

[Jillian Michaels]

Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like, comment, subscribe, and share. And make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.