Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels
Episode: The TRUTH Behind America's Role in the Ukraine War
Release Date: December 3, 2024

Hosts: Jillian Michaels & Scott Horton
Guests: Scott Horton, Author of Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War With Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine

Introduction

In this compelling episode of "Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels," host Jillian Michaels engages in a profound and critical conversation with Scott Horton, the author of Provoked. The episode delves deep into America's foreign policy decisions and their pivotal role in igniting the current conflict in Ukraine. Horton provides a meticulous analysis of historical events, policy missteps, and the intricate web of interests that have shaped the geopolitical landscape leading to this devastating war.

America's Provocative Foreign Policy

[03:00] Jillian Michaels introduces Scott Horton and sets the stage for the discussion by highlighting the contentious nature of America's involvement in the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Horton asserts, “The CIA, the National Intelligence Council, and the National Security Council all agreed this is a terrible mistake” ([03:00]).

Horton argues that decades of American foreign policy—particularly the expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe—have been instrumental in provoking Russia. He contends that policies implemented since the collapse of the Soviet Union laid the groundwork for the current conflict, emphasizing the relentless push into regions traditionally within Russia’s sphere of influence.

Notable Quote:
“Could this war have been avoided? What lessons must be learned to prevent future catastrophe?” – Jillian Michaels ([04:11])

Neoconservatism and the Military-Industrial Complex

The discussion progresses to the influence of neoconservatives and the military-industrial complex in shaping U.S. foreign policy. Horton defines neoconservatism as a faction initially comprised of former communists who shifted right during the Cold War, driven by a fervent belief in American imperialism.

[60:44] Horton explains, “Neoconservatives are ideologues of American empire. They believe that by dominating regions like the Middle East and Eastern Europe, they can maintain global stability and protect American interests.”

He further elaborates on how neoconservatives have infiltrated various think tanks and governmental bodies, pushing for policies that favor military intervention and expansionist agendas. This alliance between ideological proponents and the arms industry perpetuates a cycle of conflict for profit.

Notable Quote:
“The neoconservatives are the cross between the Israel lobby and the military-industrial complex.” – Scott Horton ([66:09])

NATO Expansion and Broken Promises

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on NATO’s expansion post-Cold War. Horton criticizes the U.S. for breaking promises not to extend NATO’s reach, arguing that this betrayal has directly contributed to heightened tensions with Russia.

[28:18] Horton recalls a memo titled “Nyet means nyet,” leaked via WikiLeaks, where then-CIA Director William Burns warned Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice against offering NATO membership to Ukraine and Georgia. Despite these warnings, the U.S. proceeded with expansion, igniting Russian ire.

Notable Quote:
“Everyone is agreed about this. You better not offer NATO membership or a membership action plan.” – Scott Horton referencing the leaked memo ([77:07])

This policy shift not only disregarded expert advice but also fueled Russian aggression, as seen in the annexation of Crimea and the ongoing conflict in Eastern Ukraine.

Color-Coded Revolutions and Regime Changes

Horton discusses the role of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and other organizations in orchestrating “color-coded” revolutions across Eastern Europe and the former Soviet states. These covert operations aimed to install pro-Western governments, often leading to instability and conflict.

[84:35] He cites examples like the Rose Revolution in Georgia and the Maidan Revolution in Ukraine, highlighting how these interventions undermined legitimate governance and sowed discord, ultimately contributing to Russia’s decision to invade.

Notable Quote:
“These are all the ones where we went in and we overthrew the government and we put in our guy.” – Scott Horton ([86:36])

The Escalation to Full-Scale War

The conversation culminates in examining how these historical policies and interventions have escalated into the full-scale war in Ukraine. Horton asserts that America’s unwavering support for Ukraine’s NATO aspirations, coupled with continuous arms supplies, directly provoked Russia into action.

[55:30] Horton explains, “Pouring in all those weapons calibrated the amount did not deter Russia from attacking; it provoked him to launch the attack.”

He emphasizes that without addressing the root causes and recalibrating foreign policy, the cycle of provocation and retaliation is likely to continue, posing existential threats not just to Ukraine but to global stability.

Notable Quote:
“We can stick with you until then. Okay. Okay. So in 14, the bottom line is it was essentially an association agreement with the European Union that was at issue.” – Scott Horton ([81:08])

Conclusion and Future Outlook

As the episode wraps up, Horton and Michaels reflect on the dire consequences of America's continued interventionist policies. They advocate for a reassessment of foreign policy strategies to prevent further conflicts and stabilize international relations.

Horton encourages listeners to engage critically with the information and seek comprehensive understanding through his book, Provoked, which offers an in-depth exploration of these complex issues.

Final Thoughts:
“Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.” – Excerpt inspired by Eisenhower ([36:18])

Additional Resources

For a deeper dive into the topics discussed, listeners are encouraged to read Scott Horton's Provoked and explore his website ScottHorton.org for more insights.

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