They’re Hiding Something: Clinton Flights, Epstein Files & War With Iran | Bill O’Reilly

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Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
Episode: They’re Hiding Something: Clinton Flights, Epstein Files & War With Iran | Bill O’Reilly
Date: February 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this incisive and candid episode, Jillian Michaels welcomes veteran journalist and commentator Bill O’Reilly to dissect headline-dominating subjects: the looming threat of U.S. military action against Iran, the explosive release of the Epstein files and the Clinton connection, and the state of political hypocrisy in both American and global contexts. Brimming with challenging questions and O’Reilly’s trademark no-spin takes, the discussion breaks down convoluted news cycles into actionable, fact-driven analysis—serving as a crash course in media skepticism and geopolitical reality.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The U.S. and Iran: War on the Horizon?

[00:02–13:21]

• State of Play:

  • American military buildup in the Middle East; speculation that U.S. is on the brink of war with Iran.
  • O’Reilly asserts President Trump “does not want to initiate military action against Iran because of the civilian casualties,” instead pushing for a deal demanding Iran’s denuclearization and release of political prisoners ([02:38]).
  • Possible military scenarios include targeted strikes to degrade Iran’s military and nuclear capacity, stopping short of a “full-scale regional war” or regime change ([03:56]–[05:59]).

• Role of Protesters and Regime Change:

  • O’Reilly suggests that U.S. intervention would “downgrade the mullah’s ability to suppress you,” empowering Iranian protesters to potentially overthrow the regime themselves, as U.S. ground troops are “never going to do that” ([05:31], [05:59]).

• The America-First Argument:

  • Benefits of a free Iran include economic advantages, reduced international leverage for Russia and China, and undercutting of terrorism in the region ([06:27], [07:04]).
  • Drawing a parallel, O’Reilly claims Venezuela is currently run indirectly by the CIA as “there’s no American ambassador in Caracas, it’s run by the CIA ... and the CIA tells the Venezuelans, you’re going to do this, and the Venezuelans go, okay” ([07:04]).

• Why Not Let Israel Act Unilaterally?

  • O’Reilly explains that Iran’s missile threat to Israeli cities like Jerusalem and Tel Aviv means “Israel ... doesn’t have any capacity to take out a much larger country” ([08:42]–[09:01]).

• Obama, Kerry, and the Iran Nuclear Accord:

  • O’Reilly clarifies: “Hillary wasn’t involved. That was John Kerry, Secretary of State, who’s a real villain” ([09:36]).
  • Details the logic of the Obama and Biden administrations’ efforts to trade frozen assets for nuclear restrictions—labeling it naïve, since “all they wanted was the cash” ([09:36]–[11:09]).

• On Advising President Trump:

  • O’Reilly recounts recent private discussions—emphasizing the risks and backlash of military action, and advocating for deals that leave Iran “impotent” without causing mass casualties ([11:22]–[12:58]).

  “The problem with military action is you’re going to have 10, 20,000 dead Muslims sitting in the streets, and that’s going to ignite a lot of anti-American feeling.” – Bill O’Reilly ([11:59])

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2. The Epstein Files, Clinton Controversy & Accountability

[17:17–34:34]

• Hillary Clinton in the Spotlight:

  • Series of Clinton statements denying links to Epstein and projecting corruption accusations onto political rivals ([17:17]–[19:21]).
  • O’Reilly separates Hillary from daily involvement: “I don’t believe Hillary Clinton had anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein other than using his money and his plane to do business for her foundation ... [but] to say Bill Clinton wasn’t his pal is absolutely absurd. Of course he was” ([22:27]–[24:06]).

• Clinton Foundation Critique:

  • O’Reilly sharply rebukes the foundation’s business model: “They’ve developed this big kind of corporate charity thing that benefits them. And that is true” ([22:27]).

• Why Aren’t American Epstein Associates Prosecuted?

  • Jillian draws the contrast with the U.K. and Europe, where arrests from Epstein’s network are mounting.
  • O’Reilly’s explanation: “In order to prosecute somebody, you have to have a complaining witness. ... That is what’s holding everything up” ([26:19]).

• Department of Justice Inaction:

  • O’Reilly maintains both Democratic and Republican administrations showed little interest: “They did nothing. Not one investigation, not one piece of paper moved. Democratic Party didn’t care. Nobody cared” ([27:37]).
  • He outright rejects the grand conspiracy theory but concedes, “Maybe that happened, but at this point, you’ve got to go to due process” ([27:37]–[29:24]).

• Transparency vs. Privacy in the File Dumps:

  • Jillian questions why the high-profile names are so redacted, citing disturbing email content as cause for concern ([31:23]–[32:23]).
  • O’Reilly responds, warning against unjustified “total destruction” of people based only on association:

    “If your name is associated with Jeffrey Epstein for any reason, you’re going to get hurt ... they’re going to use that against you. So you got to be very, very careful.” – Bill O’Reilly ([29:55])

• Addressing Mutual Accusations & Political Weaponization:

  • On demands that Trump too is hiding in the files, O’Reilly points out:

    “If there was something insane in there on Trump, would they not have released it? Sure, the Biden people would have absolutely released it” ([33:23]).

  • Reflects on the decline of due process:

    “We live in a country that has pretty much banished due process now. So you’re guilty no matter what.” ([33:23])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On U.S. Restraint and Military Escalation:

  “Trump could, well, that’s what help is on the way is all about. So we’ll downgrade the mullah’s ability to suppress you ... but you have to do it yourself. The United States can’t go in like we did in Venezuela ... and remove them because that’ll be ground troops. And Trump is never going to do that, of course.” – Bill O’Reilly ([05:59])

• On Bill Clinton’s Epstein Ties:

  “To say that Bill Clinton wasn’t his pal is absolutely absurd. Of course he was.” – Bill O’Reilly ([24:06])

• On Prosecution Barriers:

  “In order to prosecute somebody, you have to have a complaining witness ... and that is what’s holding everything up.” – Bill O’Reilly ([26:19])

• On Transparency vs. Hysteria:

  “To punish people who had a casual contact with Epstein? I don’t think that’s right.” – Bill O’Reilly ([29:55])

• On Political Cynicism:

  "We live in a country that has pretty much banished due process now. So you're guilty no matter what. If somebody doesn’t like you, okay, then people believe what they want to believe. So the Democratic Party doesn’t like Trump. So he's guilty. He's guilty. We don’t know what he's guilty of, but we know he's guilty of something." – Bill O’Reilly ([33:23])

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Major Segment Timestamps

• 00:02–13:21: Deep dive on the Iran conflict, U.S. strategy, and global implications
• 17:17–34:34: Epstein Files, Clinton connections, celebrity accountability, and media hypocrisy
• 22:27–24:06: Bill Clinton’s involvement with Epstein
• 26:11–29:24: Why U.S. prosecution stalls vs. Europe; DOJ and due process barriers
• 29:55–32:23: The ethics of redacting names, transparency, and risk of public shaming
• 33:23: The weaponization of scandal and collapse of due process

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Tone and Style

Jillian Michaels’s approach is direct, skeptical, and personal, often expressing frustrated incredulity at perceived establishment narratives; Bill O’Reilly’s responses are equally direct yet grounded in process-oriented pragmatism and a distaste for tribal thinking, favoring evidence over innuendo.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode serves as a primer for navigating current news with a critical eye, boiling down complex world events, legal questions, and political posturing into clear-eyed, actionable understanding. Michaels and O’Reilly wrestle with frustration at opacity and injustice—tempered by reminders of due process and the limits of public power—making for a provocative and illuminating listen for citizens seeking substance over noise.

Transcript

[Jillian Michaels]

The one and only Bill O'Reilly is here and he's helping me sort out the biggest issues in the news as we speak. American aircraft carriers, stealth fighters and warships are amassing in the Middle east. And the US Appears to be on the absolute brink of a war with Iran. And we have to ask, is there any chance of a nuclear deal if the missiles start flying, what does the conflict actually look like? Are we talking about surgical strikes that last days or a full scale regional war that drags on for years? And of course, the ultimate question, is this actually in America's best interests to go in? Then we're going to pivot to the ongoing fallout from the massive Epstein file dump. What exactly are the Clintons hiding? Hillary Clinton has been center stage this past week on a media blitz, going on the absolute offensive, accusing Donald Trump and his Justice Department of an Epstein cover up. Is it genuine outrage or is it pure calculated projection? And speaking of Epstein, the global contrast could not be starker. Just today, former Prince Andrew was arrested in the UK for misconduct in public office related to the Epstein ties. European countries all over are exacting real criminal consequences on Epstein collaborators. Yet here in the US Jay Z proudly attends the Super Bowl. Billionaires like Bill Gates remain totally unscathed, and the biggest names of the animals in the emails remain heavily redacted. Why? Let's get into it. Keeping it real with Jillian Michaels. Sir, so good to see you. How are you feeling?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I'm feeling okay. We're toughing it out here. It's a hereditary malady and I'm an old guy, so you just have to plow through it. But I'm up and running and causing trouble and that's the important thing.

[Jillian Michaels]

Thank goodness. I've got a lot to ask you about. I am so grateful for your voice because you give me clarity without tribalism. And the first thing I want to discuss is Iran. So what are we doing here? Are we going to war with these guys? This started out in my understanding as an uprising in the beginning of January. I was under the impression maybe it's because they were encouraged by the fact Trump took out Maduro. We didn't go in. Trump said helps on the way he didn't go in. But now maybe he's going to go in under the pretense of stopping them as a nuclear power. What's happening here?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, the president does not want to initiate military action against Iran because of the civilian casualties. And, you know, bombing the major centers in that country would lead to thousands of dead Persians. So he doesn't want to do it. He wants to make a deal. And the deal is that Iran would give up all its nukes and allow inspectors in on a regular basis. And it would destroy all its ballistic missiles, which are targeted to Israel, and it would let some of the protesters who were arrested in the aborted uprising out. And the mullahs are being disrespectful to the United States. Now, no action was going to take place before the Olympics are over because that just would have shattered that whole thing. But they're done on Sunday, and Monday is a tough day for the mullahs because I don't think Donald Trump's going to allow them to just sit there with the status quo. But I don't know. Their Pentagon has drawn up. They know what they're going to do. There's three or four scenarios, but it's up to the president decide what and when. And I don't think he's made that decision yet.

[Jillian Michaels]

What are the scenarios, do you think?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, look, you want to downgrade the enemy's capability to cause trouble. So military targets would be hit. So their Air Force and their Revolutionary Guard headquarters and all of that. Okay, probably their shipping would be knocked down. That's the degrading factor. Then they might hit the nuclear facility again because didn't we do that?

[Jillian Michaels]

Right. That's what. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Bill, I don't mean to interrupt you, but I thought we just did this in 12 days and we took all that stuff out and now we're. And it was a huge success. And we're not talking about regime change, we're talking about nuclear again. I'm like. But I thought we just wiped that out.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, look, the nuclear threat is there because they won't allow inspectors, so nobody knows if they got one or two warheads. And that's what Trump wants to know. But the other situation is the Persian people are not going to be able to overthrow the mullahs with the army intact. So you saw that with tens of thousands of Persians who were either killed or incarcerated are terrorized, because it's not like Venezuela, where the generals there said, yeah, go and take Maduro. We don't care. We didn't. They were all paid off in Iran. They'll fight. So you got to downgrade that. Once you do knock out the mullah's protection, then it's a lot easier for the people themselves to overthrow this heinous theocracies. So that's where we are.

[Jillian Michaels]

I see. Okay. So he would essentially help facilitate the people of Iran to take these guys down. Because from the outside looking in, when it's like, well, the Iranians have to do it, and you're thinking, how are they going to do that? They have no weapons, they have no guns, they're being killed by the thousands. Like, this is an absurd ask, how are they supposed to do that without help?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Trump could, well, that's what help is on the way is all about. So we'll downgrade the mullah's ability to suppress you and then. But you have to do it yourself. The United States can't go in like we did in Venezuela, because it's a much easier situation there, and remove them because that'll be ground troops. And Trump is never going to do that, of course. But the mullahs, I think their time is just about up.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, can you talk to me about what a free Iran looks like for America? Because obviously there's the America only aspect of America first. And those people make a pretty convincing argument when they talk to you. Oh, I want this for our roads and our streets and our schools and this and that, and I'm not sending my son to die over there. You're like, okay, got it. Then there's the America first means what's best for America, and a free Ron means cheaper oil, no leverage for China and Russia. And they make that whole argument they're the number one funders of terror over there. What does a free Iran look like for America?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Probably the same thing as Venezuela, where Maduro got whacked and he'll never see the light of day again. And then Trump allowed his sub government to take over, but the caveat was, you got to do what America says. So there's no American ambassador in Caracas. It's run by the CIA, and the CIA tells the Venezuelans, you're going to do this, and the villains will, and goes, okay, that's what it would look like in Iran. They would put people in. All right, maybe some people from the outside, I'm not sure. But it would be run by the United States. And then you have a domino effect. So if Iran isn't sending guns and weapons to Hamas anymore, Hamas dissolves, Hezbollah dissolves, Houthis dissolve, all of that goes away, which is a boon for the world, which is why the EU a couple of weeks ago declared Iran a terrorist state. And that's what the president's gonna use to go in unilaterally, despite some congresspeople wanting him to get congressional approval and all that. So he's gonna say, look, it's a terrorist state. Everybody knows it. Even the EU says it. So we have the power to take them out because of what happened on 9 11.

[Jillian Michaels]

Why doesn't he just let Israel do it? A lot of people have said Netanyahu wants to go in. We've been stopping them. If Americans don't want to see it, they don't want boots on the ground. Just. Why don't we just get out of the way for those of us who are very opposed?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, because Iran has ballistic missiles aimed right at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. So.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay,

[Bill O'Reilly]

it's not going to be a great outcome. I understand Israel's a tiny country. It's a defensive country. It doesn't have any capacity to take out a much larger country.

[Jillian Michaels]

Iran, historically. Can you help me understand this? Supposedly, Hillary Clinton. And I say this supposedly because maybe I'm getting it wrong. Hillary Clinton allowed the Iranians to have uranium, of course, under the pretense of turning on the lights. Then Obama apparently, allegedly sent planes filled with cash, apparently to placate them. And Biden then removes all restrictions. Is this true? And if so, why? Why?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Hillary wasn't involved. That was John Kerry, Secretary of State, who's a real villain. And they want to make a deal. President Obama wanted to make a deal with the Iranians that they would tamp down their nuke program and stop funding terrorism. And the deal was, we'll allow frozen money because that's part of the sanctions against Iran, that their money in banks outside the country was frozen. They didn't have access to it. So we'll allow money that was frozen to go back to you, but you knock off the terrorism and the nuke programs. And Iran said, sure, that sounds like a great deal. And then didn't live up to the deal. What a surprise, right? And then when Biden came in, Biden carried on the Obama charade. I don't know. They were certainly naive, both administrations, to believe that the mullahs would do anything. All they wanted was the cash. And then they turn the cash around and send it to Hamas to kill Jews. So, you know, you're sitting there. I have a pretty realistic view of the world. It's not a partisan view or a party view. I know these people. I wrote Confronting Evil. Ayatollah is on a cover. I know how these people think. They're never going to live up to anything. And, you know, Trump wants a deal, and the deal is very specific because we would have to be verified every step of the way.

[Jillian Michaels]

I know you speak to the president often. Let's get a hypothetical. He calls you and says, o'reilly, what do I do? Last question on this topic. What do you tell him?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, I actually did have a conversation with him recently about this, but he'd never say, o'reilly, what do I do? He never said that in a million years. That's a shame. The way it was phrased is, would you make a deal? And I said, yeah, I would make a deal. But you got to handcuff them so that they're basically impotent. They can't do anything. And you can do that in a variety of ways, which he knows. I said the problem with military action is you're going to have 10, 20,000 dead Muslims sitting in the streets, and that's going to ignite a lot of anti American feeling.

[Jillian Michaels]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And you got to be very, very careful with that. So people denigrate Donald Trump on a basis that's horrifying to me. He knows I don't have to explain to the president any of this. When I was involved with the hostage negotiations, the first round, he had a tremendous grasp of what was going on in Israel and Gaza. Tremendous. All right. And then when I spoke to him about Greenland and I told him, look, you'll get what you want in a deal, but I don't know if you want to keep doing a military thing, because if you do, I have to then enlist in the Greenland Army. I kept it really light, you know, and then the next day he goes, well, we're not going to do that. I take a little bit of credit for that.

[Jillian Michaels]

I appreciate that. Thank you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

He trusts me to put things in perspective. But I would tell you, I mean, Barack Obama is a smart guy, and anybody who thinks he wasn't is ridiculous. Trump is worldwide foreign policy knows much more than Barack Obama did.

[Jillian Michaels]

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[Hillary Clinton]

I think that the Trump administration's position toward Ukraine is disgraceful. I think the effort to force Ukraine into a surrender deal with Putin is shameful. I think the effort that Putin and Trump are making to profit off the misery and death of the Ukrainian people is a historic error that they, the

[Jillian Michaels]

Clintons have nothing to do with the Epstein list. And I want to, I want to get into that, the details of that in just a second. She has said when confronted about gender affirming care what I think was the Munich security conference on trans and kids, she tried to flip it and say that it was Trump wanting to deny women rights.

[Conservative Commentator]

What I think, what I think Trump, Trump is doing in America, I think it is reaction, reaction, reaction for something that, for some policies that really went too far, too far from the regular people, too far from reality. So, you know, we saw the cancel culture. That's that we saw the woke revolution. I don't agree with the gender revolution, the climate alarmism, gender, women having their rights.

[Bill O'Reilly]

No, let Peter go on.

[Conservative Commentator]

I think there are two genders, but half of us can some of us think that there is more than one or more than two. Sorry, more than two. Gender. I think there is male and female and the rest probably is a social construct.

[Jillian Michaels]

And I feel like this character is unrecognizable to the Hillary Clinton of 2016. And, and I only say that because I did follow the Clintons. I at the time, don't hate me. Bill was going to, I did vote for her. And the things she, she is saying now are, I just think, does this woman truly believe we are all morons? So I, I first want to get into the Epstein piece. So she just said we have no links.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Do you regret the links that there have been?

[Hillary Clinton]

You know, we have no links. We have a very clear record that we've been willing to talk about which my husband has said he took some rides on the airplane for his charitable work. I don't recall ever meeting him.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Did you ever meet Ghislaine Maxwell?

[Hillary Clinton]

I did on a few occasions. And thousands of people go to the Clinton Global Initiative. So it to me is not, is not something that is really at the heart of what this matter is about. They are accused and in both cases were convicted of horrific crimes against girls and women. That should be the focus. And we are more than happy to say what we know, which is very limited and totally unrelated to their behavior or their crimes. And we want to do it in public because let's make this transparent. The survivors deserve that. The public deserves that. But you know, the Republican member of Congress who is running this hearing or this investigation is trying to protect the President. So let's get to what's really at stake here.

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[Jillian Michaels]

Let me just go over this real quick. For anybody who doesn't know, Epstein was at Bill's White House 17 times. Bill was on his plane 26 times. Virginia Giuffre claims to have seen Clinton on the island there with young girls. There are numerous photos that exist of Bill Clinton with Epstein and young girls at various events. Bill Clinton is mentioned in the Epstein files over a thousand times. Ghislaine Maxwell claims to have helped fund the Clinton Global Initiative. Ghislaine was at Chelsea's wedding and Bill Clinton has been accused of assault by four different women. And she turns around and says, this is not about us. We have nothing to do with this. Am I a moron? Are they really just not involved with Epstein? Was. Were they just totally innocent and it was just charitable? What is your honest take?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, I always give you my honest take, Jillian, I would never deceive.

[Jillian Michaels]

I can't believe she said this. Am I just pissed at her? Have I become so tribal that I can't see the forest through the trees?

[Bill O'Reilly]

When Secretary Clinton says that Trump is profiting from the Ukraine war and can't back it up, I think we all know that comes out of bitterness. Okay, okay. She lost to him and she'll never get over that ever in a million years. And I write about that extensively in my book, the United States, United States of Trump. Very bitter on the Epstein front. I don't believe Hillary Clinton had anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein other than using his money and his plane to do business for her foundation. Now, I've always been critical of the Clinton foundation because they use that to travel all over the world. Bill and Hillary, they write it off against their foundation and people give money to the Clinton Foundation, I mean, big money, when she was Secretary of State. Now I have a foundation, charitable. I don't take a dollar from anybody and I don't write a dollar off on it. Okay. Other than tax filings, that's not what charity to me is. But they've developed this big kind of corporate charity thing that benefits them. And that is true. But as far as Hillary Clinton is concerned, day to day with Epstein, I don't see it. But to say that Bill Clinton wasn't his pal is absolutely absurd. Of course he was.

[Jillian Michaels]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

And I don't know whether Congress has a Secret Service records or not, but remember when a president passed travels, Secret Service travel with him. So the Secret Service would have to be on the island if Bill Clinton were on the island. Simple as that.

[Jillian Michaels]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay. Nobody's asked the question, nobody's demanded it. I hope Congress does next week because both Bill and Hillary have to testify saying, look, you know, Secret Service was with you when you were on the island or not on the island, I don't know. But I do know that they were pals, Epstein and Clinton. There's photo evidence to prove that. As far as criminality is concerned, I have no idea.

[Jillian Michaels]

Understood.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I just don't know.

[Jillian Michaels]

Of course. Okay. Speaking of the Epstein files, we've now seen action being taken around the world. So, you know, just this morning, Prince Andrew was arrested. Norway has gone after their former Norwegian prime minister. He was charged with gross corruption and faces up to 10 years in prison because of his relationship with Epstein. I mean, the list is so long. The Princess of Norway had to make a public apology for staying on his fricking island. France has Gone after. There's a special prosecutorial office set up to go after people who were engaged with Epstein. I mean the France, Norway, the uk, everybody's taking action. And yet here in the States, Jay Z is at the super bowl and frickin Kathy Rummler, who was Obama's White House counsel and called Epstein Uncle Jeffrey and is involved in hiding money for rich people with this guy. All of these people, Summers, all these people, are they going to pay a price? Why are we not prosecuting these guys?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Because there isn't a criminal complaint against them.

[Jillian Michaels]

Who would file it? The victims, of course. What about an investigation?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, they've done it. They got 3 million pieces of paper. But in order to prosecute somebody, you have to have a complaining witness. You got to have one of the girls go in and say this guy did this to me on this date, Epstein was there or whatever and you gotta, you gotta prosecute him. So, so okay, that is hasn't emerged. I don't know why. There's a lot of civil action, a lot of money changed hands, right? But if you are a victim of a crime, any crime, you have to go in and you have to swear out a complaint against a person that you say violated law. And that's what's holding everything up.

[Jillian Michaels]

So it's not because here's how it appears, it looks like you've got frickin Kathy Rumler, who you've got, you know, Epstein's doing business with her, working on deals to bury tax money offshore for billionaires. And there's one email where he's like, give, give her $10 million, I get $25 million. And, and they're setting up all these tax havens. How is there no crime there? She resigned, I guess from wherever the heck she's working right now. But I'm just thinking that's not a crime to do these things.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Sure, it's a crime, but the Justice Department, they have discretion on what to do and what not to do. So after FC was convicted of state charges in Florida and got a very light sentence, he gets out and then he goes right back to doing what he was doing. All right, now anybody associating him with him after he's convicted of the underage thing, I mean that's very, very poor judgment. It's not a crime. Okay, but it's very poor judgment. Okay, so those people you can put into a category. So those people, for whatever reason. All right, on the other side, you've got a country that's operating for four years under Merrick Garland, the Attorney General, and President Joe Biden. They did nothing. Not one investigation, not one piece of paper moved. Democratic Party didn't care. Nobody cared. Okay? Now, the Trump administration, before the Biden administration, pretty much in the same category. William Barr wasn't chasing Epstein around because I don't even think that that was a priority for them. Maybe it should have been, but I don't see any grand conspiracy here. Could be wrong. That's what the people are peddling on social media now, this big conspiracy to protect the rich and famous. Okay, but you've got two administrations and then now into a third and. All right, maybe that happened, but at this point, you've got to go to due process. All right? You have to say they weren't interested in this. And I don't know why.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, See, it's the. I don't know why, though, that, you know, it's like. Well, because the most powerful wealthy people in the world on both sides of the aisle seem to be involved at the. I don't know why part is. That is the exceptionally tough part to understand. Do you think that these names, not of the victims, but of the people who are sending these correspondence back and forth, do you think they should be unredacted, or do you think that that's wrong?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Listen, this time last year, I talked to President Trump about this and I said, somebody has got to look at this bulk of information. And if you're a doordash kid delivering burgers, your name shouldn't be in the files. Right, because people don't, they don't pay attention to that. So if your name is associated with Jeffrey Epstein for any reason, you're going to get hurt. And if somebody wants to take you out, take you off the board, punish you for some reason, and your name's there, they're going to use that against you. So you got to be very, very careful. Now, I had no idea the time that I was discussing with the President, that there were 3 million pieces of paper, all right? I don't think anybody did. So the investigation was done. They accumulated this unbelievable amount of information pertaining to Jeffrey Epstein, 3 million sheets of paper. But for some reason, and I go back to the complaining witnesses, there wasn't in their mind. And I'm saying they're the Justice Department, both Democrat and Republican, a reason to hunt these people down. But to punish people who had a casual contact with Epstein? I don't think that's right.

[Jillian Michaels]

There are insane emails, though, boss. Like there's one from somebody to Jeff Epstein when apparently they were pandemic planning in 2011. Saying, I was thinking about the conversation you had with Bill Gates the other day with regard to getting rid of the world's poor people. I have some thoughts, and I thought, I surely would like to know the name of that individual. I feel like that person is not innocent. And it. It's just begetting more distrust. And that's the part that I think so many find frustrating, is that it. It perpetuates conspiracy theory to a certain extent because so many feel there's a lack of transparency.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Sure, it's going to go on just like the JFK assassination. It'll never end. But I, I disagree with you. When. If somebody has an opinion about the world's poor people, has nothing to do with Epstein's crimes, you know, and you put his name out there, what do you want to do? Punish the guy for an opinion? Kind of. If.

[Jillian Michaels]

Well, if he wants to get rid of all the world's poor people, I sort of want to know who that guy is.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right. But it's more than that, though. You can mock the guy and deride the guy for his opinion, but that's not what being linked to Epstein is all about. It's total destruction.

[Jillian Michaels]

Okay, Okay, I understand. Last question. Hillary Clinton says, we all know that you're only dragging us into the Epstein situation because Trump is hiding something. But you've just pointed out the fact that they had control of these files for four years. Why wouldn't they have used them to go after Trump? Is there. Could there be. Is her argument it would be mutually assured destruction? Like, she's claiming they're totally innocent. He says he's totally innocent. At the end of the day, if there was something insane in there on Trump, would they not have released it?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Sure, the Biden people would have absolutely released it. And then you had the report that Trump called the Palm beach sheriff and said, go get him 2006. So, look, we live in a country that has pretty much banished due process now. So you're guilty no matter what. If somebody doesn't like you, okay, then people believe what they want to believe. So the Democratic Party doesn't like Trump. So he's guilty. He's guilty. We don't know what he's guilty of, but we know he's guilty of something, right? Okay. And I'm sitting there going, look, you want to play that kind of game, you want to undermine the Constitution, you want to throw out due process, which is you are innocent until proven guilty. That's on you. But my job is to tell the truth. And right now there is nothing linking President Trump with Epstein about any criminal activity at all. That's where we are now. Could it be hidden in somebody's basement? Maybe. But that's not what I do. All right? I'm a fact based guy.

[Jillian Michaels]

I know. And that's why I love talking to you. Because I gotta be honest, there's a part of me that wants blood from some of these people. And then I get to hear your voice and talk to me about the way democracy works and due process and what you're allowed to go after and what you're not. And I appreciate you for putting my feet back on the ground and giving me a very educated take on all of this. Thank you, boss. I appreciate you so much. Where can everybody go, where can they go to get all of this wisdom on a daily basis?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, we're everywhere now. It's ridiculous. So Billorilly.com is where we live. We have the no spin news there message of the day and the columns. Then we're on News Nation on Monday and Wednesday in prime time. Then we're on YouTube. I have my own channel, YouTube.combillorilly it's ridiculous. Like you.

[Jillian Michaels]

Oh, yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I have so many things going on, I don't even know what they are.

[Jillian Michaels]

One day you can be just like me, boss. Just keep, just keep working at it. And thank you.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I gotta do a few sit ups here, you know.

[Jillian Michaels]

You know, a couple of push ups too, and then I think you'll be good.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah. Thank you so much, Jillian. Nice to see you.

[Jillian Michaels]

You too. Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please, like comment, subscribe and share and make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.