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Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
TRANS CONSERVATIVE EXPOSES Terrifying Truth Behind Radical New Trans Laws!
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If you have one parent who disagrees and one parent who agrees that the child's a transition, the parent who is supportive of the transition can make the decision to transition the children. It's a horrific policy.
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Call her the most dangerous woman on the Internet, not because she has a platform, but because she has an argument as a trans conservative. She's the one person the left cannot cancel and the right has quietly embraced. Blaire White is with me today, and she spent a decade in the trenches of the culture war excoriating hypocrisy wherever she finds it. From the trans kid industry to Candace Owens takedown of Erica Kirk, Blair is unafraid to call balls and strikes. She doesn't just cross the line, she erases it. So let's dive in.
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Keep it real.
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Keeping it real, Keeping it Real with Jillian Michaels I want to get into all of the things in culture right now that are alarming you concerning you. You're raising the red flag about a lot of things like looks, maxing and this thing called kick, which I've never even heard. But before we do, there are some obvious questions I want to get out of the way. You know, you're trans, I'm gay, and we're both, I don't know. Do you consider yourself conservative? What do you consider yourself?
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Well, I think everything's just a word, right? Everything's just a label. But I am, you know, on a literal level, a Republican. I voted for Trump three times. I voted Republican since being an adult, so. So some people may associate that with being conservative. I think conservatism denounce some values and views that I don't hold, but I certainly hold some of them. So I like to think that I hold a bit of nuance in my content and I'm able to let multiple things Be true at once. I definitely have conservative values and I definitely take issue with a lot of the super progressive directions the country has gone in recent times. And I try to bring a little bit of levity and nuance wants, especially to the trans conversation, but also just politics in general. So I'm someone who's on the right, I think is the best way. How would you describe yourself? I feel like it's something like that, right?
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It's funny because you've asked me before, like, where do I fall? Right? Am I right leaning? Am I moderate? And so many people on the right who are lovely to me. I have viewers that write in all the time and say things like, hey, I'm a lifelong conservative and it's a guy living in Oklahoma, and this one gentleman wrote it. It was the cutest thing I ever read in my life. He's like, never in my entire life did I think I'd be listening to a gay leftist. And I thought, like, okay, I clearly am not a traditional conservative because conservatives don't see me that way. Right? There are some fundamental differences. And yet when I think about the concept of conservation, we're in a very different place now in 2026 than we were when I was a, quote, liberal, you know, at that time. Even all the way back in 2008 when Obama was elected, he ran on banning gay marriage. Now, this is the same party that's for transing kids. So, yeah, I'm trying to. I'm trying to preserve and conserve sanity. And I'm the last person to tell an adult what to do with their body. I couldn't care less if it makes that other person happy. But when we start transing kids, that's where it starts to cross the line. And I think you are uniquely qualified, more so than me, to express why that is a concern and why it's a very different thing than being an adult who makes the decision, the decision to transition. And I was wondering if you could explain that to people on the right and the left.
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Right. I think that trans has become such a political topic. It's something that is utilized by both the right and the left in ways that I feel are inaccurate and just not, you know, not reminiscent of truth. So for me, I think that there's a misconception on the right that transgenderism, transsexuals, that that's something that's born out of progressive politics or out of the left in general, that that's something that they invented or made up with. They see it as something very new. Because maybe they never heard about it before, you know, the sort of the Trump era, the hyper political era. And then on the left, they sort of treat this as this group of people that they can co opt. The left treats trans people as a group that they can co opt and utilize for. For votes, first and foremost, money as well, and to sort of prop up the rest of their ideology, which is built on this very toxic, hierarchical, you know, social net and social web that I don't find reminiscent of truth either. So when it comes to the transient kids thing, this is probably the thing I've taken the most heat for in my career as a public commentator, as a YouTuber. People just really don't like the idea of separating the bodily autonomy of an adult from this concept of, you know, trans kids. And for me, there's no such thing as a trans kid. There can be kids who are confused. There can be kids who have gender dysphoria. And then maybe later in life, if they are left to their devices to be an adult, they make decisions that are reminiscent of what people think a transition is. But in general, you know, this whole born in the wrong body thing, I don't personally believe that. You know, I'm a believer in God, I'm a Christian before I'm trans, and I think I was born in the exact right body. My life has been exactly what it should be so far. And I guess I don't even know where I'm going with that. It's just that the. The train, the trans train has gone so far off the rails that I find myself as an individual and feeling this responsibility to speak up and combat it, especially when it comes to violating this social contract which used to be in place of, you know, if you're going to be trans, do that, but it can't negatively impact other people. And that just goes with life in general. That's one of my general principles, is I will, you know, utilize all the freedoms that I want. I'll be myself, I'll be an individual. But I never want that to bleed over into inconveniencing or harming other people. And I don't. You know, we have this culture of entitlement these days, just overall, this culture of dehumanizing each other and the trans. The trans community is guilty of that as well. They don't really hear when women speak up about issues they have when it comes to sports or locker rooms or other things. They don't really hear parents voices when they say, hey, we have a concern about this affecting Children negatively. And I think that there needs to be a balance restored where everyone's rights matter, but they don't. And they're not allowed to impede on other people's right.
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For me, the thing with kids is not whether or not the child is confused about their gender. That is something that I could litigate separately with a therapist and my kid. It's the fact that when you put them on puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, it's going to have an exceptionally negative impact on everything from their brain development to their bone development. I have zero judgment on where the kid's head is at. I would want to make sure that they were getting all the help they need to explore whatever feelings they were having. That would be my top concern. And I want to talk to you about that specifically because I saw you on Rogan. Talk about how you knew at 5 years old that you were trans, but the fact that the left cannot grasp that and there is study after study after study. There's the CAS review now, which is a four year review of hundreds of studies that tell us these things and they can't see it is where I go, you don't really actually care about people at all. This is all just about virtue signaling. Because if you did, you would do the homework and you would find the same thing. And that I have found. Now, having said that, I do want to understand. If you knew at five, then it does lead me to believe, Blair, that there are kids that are trans. I just wouldn't let them do it until they're older for the sake of their physical health. So what was that like? Can you talk to me about that? Wasn't a stage, was a phase, obviously.
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Right. I think that I'm more so. I forget the exact verbiage I use on Rogan, but I would say that I think I more so just knew something was different. So something was off. Something was putting me sort of at odds with the expectations that like adults in society had for me as a little boy. So I think it was just that incongruence. But I certainly, you know, the concept of trans was not something I was aware of as a kid. And beyond that, when it comes to you kind of mentioned like medical consequences, the cause and effect of drugs and certainly surgeries, I didn't have the concept of that until I was an adult. And so that's the importance of, you know, I don't believe that a child can be trans. I think they can just have certain feelings that sometimes dissipate. By the way, because there is a lot of old literature that's, you know, heavily taboo now, and you're not allowed to sort of cite it. But, you know, throughout all the 1900s, up until maybe about the early 2000s, there's a lot of literature talking about how gender dysphoria could be linked to a multitude of things and that it has a range of effects that can sometimes dissipate over time. So a lot of, you know, speaking of, like, gay people, a lot of gay people I've met, especially gay males, certainly had sort of moments similar to mine in their very young age where they felt like they were maybe not meeting every expectation of a little boy of not being as masculine or whatever. And I think a lot of lesbians have that experience as well. And sometimes there's a little more room, I think, for this concept of a tomboy, or at least there used to be. And so there was, like, some. Some space for that. But especially, I think, for young males, there hasn't been a lot of space for that. So I think that parents should be raising their kids to be the best adults they can be and giving them space to understand their feelings, maybe going to therapy. Although I can't pretend as if therapists these days aren't hyper political as well. And there's some really scary legislation coming out of California that are trying to control what a therapist can and can't say. If a child says that they think they're trans, we can get into that. But more so, you know, Wait, wait, wait.
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No, no, no, no. Get. Get into that. I don't know anything about this. How do I not know about this, Blair?
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Well, it's so many things going on in California that are corrupt and wrong, and, you know, you can hardly keep up, so it's no blame on you. So California is currently trying to pass legislation that's basically a copycat legislation of something that's already in place in Canada, which is a bill against supposedly conversion therapy. The problem is they are labeling conversion therapy a therapist simply pushing back in any way, shape or form or asking questions. When a child comes in and says, I'm trans and I want to be the other gender, you are not legally allowed in Canada to be a therapist and say, well, how sure are you about that? Do you think there could be other things that are making you feel this way? Do you think you could be mistaken? You have to affirm it as a therapist, otherwise you're legally considered to be engaging in conversion therapy. Now, that's not conversion therapy, obviously, and I think It's a huge insult to the gays and lesbians and trans people who have been victims of actual conversion therapy throughout history, which has proven not to work. But this is what we see time and time again with the left, clearly in Canada and here, which is this weaponization of words and emotionally charged labels. Right. Everyone, an emotion comes up when you speak about conversion therapy. And so you don't want to ever be seen as engaging in that. Right. But the problem is that's obviously not engage conversion therapy. And there's been so much literature, like I said, going back, that it's very valid to ask somebody, are you sure it's that you're trans? Or could it be something else? In fact, you know, it's very controversial to say, but it is what it is. There were a lot of therapists throughout this, the last century who really strongly felt that it could be linked, at least sometimes to childhood sexual trauma. And that could give someone gender dysphoria, the feeling of not feeling safe and as their gender as a child because they were harmed. And their brain will associate that sexual trauma from an adult with something being wrong with their own gender. So the fact that we can't have these conversations is leading people astray.
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Gosh, I had no idea about that legislation. That's absolutely terrifying. I'm wondering, what are you thinking when you watch Gavin Newsom's wife talk about how she's taking pronouns and swapping them in books for her kids and siphoning off what is almost $4 million from her charity that helps gender dysphoric kids? You're gonna have the absolute best take on her. What are your thoughts on this woman and her agenda here?
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Well, I think it's sick. I think that her trying to co opt, you know, the pain of children who are in pain and suffering from gender dysphoria or things that look and feel like gender dysphoria is gross. I think that it's any parent's obligation to raise their boys to be good men and their girls to be good women in the future. And so that's disturbing. It also is interesting how I personally thought that because they were floating, you know, running Gavin for president, which is. I don't have any wood to knock on, but whatever. I thought they'd be toning down the woke stuff, but I guess they're not. Yeah. I am a lifelong Californian, minus a four year stint in Austin, Texas, because of the COVID lockdowns. I was basically a refugee. Had to move to Texas, where there was a Inkling of freedom. And so I've seen Gavin Newsom's. The terror he's inflicted on this state. I almost still have PTSD from, like, during COVID watching all of his press conferences day in, day out, where he was lying to the faces of the people and saying, one more week, one more week, one more week. Just meaningless, horrific, intentional destruction of people's lives and the economy. And, you know, there's so much wrong with California that it's almost a side thing that his wife is insane. But it definitely matters because California is considered a sanctuary state, quote, unquote, not just for immigrants. People know about that. For illegal immigrants, but also for trans kids. They say it's a sanctuary state for trans kids. Which means even if you have one parent, two parents, one child, the child thinks they're trans. If you have one parent who disagrees and one parent who agrees that the child's a transition, the child who. Sorry, the parent who is supportive of the transition can make the decision to transition the children. So it's a horrific policy. And by the way, people don't talk enough about how you can't even enter a tanning bed in California unless you're 18, but you can have your breasts removed, you can be sterilized if you think that you're trans as a child. And it's horrible, because obviously, children can't make that choice. But that's a given.
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There are very few things that I cannot tolerate watching. Some of it has to do with cruelty to animals. Just can't. I'm like, I can't. I can't do it. The beagles. I'm like, show me the beagles when they're safe and let me know if one of them needs a home. Like, I can't. It upsets me so deeply. You did a video on your channel where you featured a bunch of kids that were. I don't even think I can find the words, that were just devastated, raging and crying into the camera about the fact that they were transitioned as some as young as, I think, like, 13, 14 years old, and how the damage is irreparable and their lives are over, and they're devastating. If you told me at 17, if you sat there, told me every single issue, every single surgery that I would have because of a stupid injection that doesn't even work because I cannot become a man, I would have said no. I would have said no, and I would have had a different life. I got through two of them. And the one. This one, this one. I honestly, I'm not so sure, to be honest. I think it was a black boy who had transitioned to a girl. But he's like, he's like, I'm a man and now I look like this and there's nothing I can do about it.
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It just feels impossible to be able to see a future where a man is ever going to see me as a woman. And it really hurts. The whole entire transition just hurts. The thought processes that were forced on me from other people hurts because now it is hard to view myself as a woman again.
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And I had, I had to, I couldn't deal with it. What do you think is happening for these kids that they are a being transitioned when they're clearly not sure of what they want or what they need? What do you think is pushing that? Like, I kind of wonder, is that a pharma narrative? What is pushing them? Cuz they're raging at someone. Who do you think they're raging at? What is guiding them and shoving them into this funnel. And then subsequently, I also want to talk about the fact that the left then attacks them too. And you've told me they've called you transphobic, which is insane. So bite off any part of that and start chewing like that is horrible to me. It's devastating.
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Right. And I know that you come at this also from a health perspective, which I think is so important. People have a really hard time. People are very health illiterate, people are very pharma illiterate. People don't know the consequences of these drugs. And certainly when you're a minor, you're not going to have someone, you're not going to be able to understand the consequences of going on these drugs. And so that's where you would think that in adults, a professional or even just a parent would be able to step in. But unfortunately, you know, I think it's a lot to do with misplaced trauma. I think that oftentimes, you know, we all have things that happen to us throughout life. We all have a certain level of trauma, things that have altered our brain chemistry. And you know, you can never speak for everybody, obviously, but when it comes to people who think that the answer to whatever pains they're experiencing is to transition and then the cold, hard reality sets in how long that it was something else all along, I think that's an incredibly devastating thing.
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Please join us wherever you listen to podcasts, and we also have a YouTube page as well. YouTube.com politicsbyfaith to deal with. And that's why it's so bad to censor all the literature on this topic and allow people a 360 understanding of the fact that gender dysphoria can sometimes be temporary. It can sometimes be something else that looks like it. You know, you think of, like, gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia, and while they are categorically very different, you can see how maybe someone in their younger years would mistake one for the other, especially when it comes to young girls. You know, dealing with body issues is something that everyone experiences. And if for whatever reason, maybe it's something you saw online, maybe it's propaganda you've been exposed to, you interpret the issues you have with your growing body as an issue with your body growing as a certain gender. That's a recipe for disaster. And that's where the role of therapists are supposed to come in and say, honey, I think it's something else. Or even can we explore the idea of it being something else? And unfortunately, that's now being criminalized. You can have your license take away in places like California and throughout all of Canada. I think it's a. I think it's a trauma thing. And I think it's. You know, there are adults, most adults, you walk around and you can just tell most people don't really know themselves. And so that's especially true, obviously, of kids. And so giving them a surgical knife essentially is.
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Is.
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You would think it would be common sense, but it's not. And unfortunately, what we've seen is that, like, gay and trans people, just regular adults living their lives. Aside from the, you know, damage that's been done to the victims of this, like, medical disaster, there's also a certain load that comes, like, on our shoulders where we're seen as supporting this or endorsing this. And it couldn't be farther from the truth for me personally.
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Why do you think that the left attacks detransitioners? It's a theme, though, right? So if you're black and you don't think all white people are racist, they call you Uncle Tom. And you know, words I don't think I can say on this platform, House N word and a word that starts with a C. And all the things black people call other black people, that white liberals call black people that. Xavier Derusso was like, it's so funny. You want to see racism in action. Like, watch a white middle aged liberal woman lose her moral superiority, and within seconds she's calling me, you know, this name, that name, this name, that name. And you yourself said, I've been called transphobic. I've been called a white nationalist, I've been called homophobic, I've been called a traitor to the LGBT community. Where is the disconnect, do you think, for these, quote, liberals that want to help the disenfranchised and the downtrodden, when they're telling you what they need, these people not only don't listen, they turn on them.
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Right, because it's this feeling of ownership that especially when you're talking about race. You know, the way I see a lot of, like, black, not even conservatives, just like slightly to the left of like, what standard? The way I see a lot of black people being treated in that regard is eerily reminiscent of things like slavery. And it's almost in some ways worse and more spiritual. It's like this control of your mind that they want to have. It's this control of your, like, life choices and your self concept. But of course, it's all projection because these are also, these are actually the hateful people. These are the people that want to control people that they see in groups of, you know, they see vulnerability and they strike. They say, you know, especially after the gay marriage ruling, when gay marriage became the law of the land, you have all these activist organizations, things like glaad, and you have Pink News, this activist class that is not just a group of people that have feelings, but a group of people making bank. A group of people that are very well funded, who suddenly had all this money coming in. And you can't push that towards gay marriage anymore, gay issues anymore. What's next? It's going to be trans. And so especially, you know, toxic, because you think of like the trans community. It's like a very small community, and it is vulnerable in the sense of there's a Lot of people with a lot of issues in that community, a lot of poverty, and they just think they can come in and make choices for them. And it's the same with, you know, let there just be a regular woman talking about voting Republican and she hates herself and she's centering men, and these are things that they'll say. And it's like the concept of us having our own brains is so inconceivable to them. Like, they cannot even start to fathom it. And so that's why, you know, when someone shows you who they are, you believe them. I could never be under any delusion that these people are my friends, that they really advocate for me, they really care about me, because that's just their line. They will say, we're trying to help, but what are they really doing? They're enacting policies that only harm the groups they're talking about. Like, have they really helped black people? Have they. Have black people really been aided, Helped, brought up to a higher, you know, a better state of being by Democrat policies? It's simply. It's simply false. And I guess for, you know, gay people could be a little different. They absolutely helped deliver gay marriage, and we can give them their props for that. But look what they've done with the entire community since then. It has not been positive. So it's just all a bunch of lies.
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It. It is insane. You know, you bring up the black community. One of my favorite, absolute favorite memes online. I'm wondering if you've seen this. I think it's Hochul. And she's talking about the SAVE act and voter ID and the black community and how racist needing ID is. Right? So of course she's using them as a pawn for illegal immigration, but claiming that having ID is racist and goes on to talk about how black people probably can't figure out how to use a computer and.
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Right.
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And this one black guy makes the funniest video. I don't know if you've seen it, where he. He puts the computer in the middle of the. And he, like, pretends to be a monkey and, like, you know, like, he's afraid of his computer. Young black kids growing up in the Bronx who don't even know what the word computer is. They don't know. They don't know these things. And I want the world open up to all of them, because when you have their diverse voices innovating solutions through technology, then you're really addressing society's broader challenges. Now streaming podcasts on Fox 1. Because sometimes the headline is not enough. Fox 1 brings you on demand. Video podcasts that dive deeper into what's happening, get you closer to the voices shaping the conversation across news, politics and culture. And get this. Keeping It Real is now streaming on Fox one, which means you can watch my show alongside other podcasts like Hang out with Sean Hannity, the Riley Gaines show and Will Kane country all in one place. From the stories leading the day to hot takes and excitement, exclusive interviews you'll hear from some of the boldest voices around. And the best part is that you can watch or listen on your schedule whenever it works for you. Stream podcasts on Fox 1 anywhere, anytime, on all of your favorite devices. Sign up today@fox.com and it just goes to show you how racist statements like that are. Because the fact like what is the true definition of, of racism? It's when you think another race is inferior. Well, if you think black people are not smart enough to figure out how to use a computer that's inherently racist, you think they are incapable, unlike whites, to figure out how to use a fricking computer. And then when black people wake up to it, well, then they become the house N word and the Uncle Toms and the this and the that. I wanna, I wanna, but I wanna actually flip the script on you here for just one second because if there's trans done right. I know this sounds so ignorant, Blair, but just when I look at you, I'm like, you seem perfectly well adjusted, very happy with your decisions and I wanna talk about that. What does that look like? How do we get in a place where, you know, we've got kids and oh my God, we've trans these kids and now they're sterile and they have sexual dysfunction and they're detransitioning and they regret it and they're actually more engaged in self harm because they transitioned. We've got all the negatives and I think I understand all the negatives. You can speak on those and have been more than I have. But what are the positives? Let's flip this script for a second here and show both sides.
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That's a great question and I always try to remember that it's also important to try to help model for people. Not that I am a perfect individual, am I maybe well adjusted in comparison to a lot of the sort of representations of trans you see online? Yes, but I absolutely have my issues and so I don't want to come across like live life like me and that's how to do it. But I think that when it comes to trans.
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Did you make the right choices for you? Do you feel you made the right choices for you? Well, then, Blair, that's the right answer. So what does that look like? How did you make these decisions?
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Right. When I look at people who maybe end up regretting their decision, I have sort of studied it and came. You know, there's a few things that I see the difference between myself and others who made the right decision for them. And I think the key word is like, it's for them. It's like a very, very individual choice. And when I see people transitioning, unfortunately, I see a lot of people transitioning for friend groups and for people around them. When I see people taking on labels because you can tell they have a certain political persuasion, so suddenly they're non binary or trans, I think that the important thing, and it's the thing that's going to set you up for success in life, is doing it for yourself. Only no one else can make that decision for you. I'm not someone who can be coerced really to do anything. I mean, like, I've always had a thing about authority. I think I mentioned that earlier. Like, I've never allowed anybody to tell me what the world is. I've always chose to see it and interpret it and understand it through my own, my own eyes. I also think that, you know, I never want to get too preachy or anything, but I do in fact see a lack of spirituality in the trans community and in the LGBT community in general that I think leads to a lot of decisions and sort of like, states of being that are unhealthy, a lot of sadness. And I personally am a Christian. I'm not going to tell everybody that they need to be Christians, but I think that a good place to start is, like, there's just a lot of godlessness in the community. And I think that my connection to God has helped me so much to make the right decisions and make sure I don't end up harming myself. I think that people, it's really important to have an understanding of things that are bigger than yourself. Right? That's what actually makes you part of a community. When you realize there's something bigger than all of these labels, all of these communities and groups of people that, you know, not to sound like Gandhi or something, but we are one, you know, people, and there's something even bigger above us. The lack of that, I think could make anybody sort of question like, why am I here? Why did I do this? Why did that happen? I think A really big key part also is I have never allowed myself to be like, oh, I should have been born a girl. I should have been born a different way. I was born in the wrong body. That sort of, for everyone that calls me self hating because I simply have different political views, that to me is a very self hating thing. I think I was born as exactly who I'm supposed to be. I think that my life has gone how it's supposed to go. And there was a reason why I was, you know, created the way that I was. I would never try to erase that or try to say that that was a mistake. And so I think that until you integrate all these parts of yourself, and this is about anybody, not just trans, you really have to integrate all of who you are to better who you are. You have to understand, yeah, you know, why am I here? Why are these situations that I found myself in? What am I meant to do? You have to, I'm very big on just tapping into what you're supposed to do while you're here. Like, for me, I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to do, but I know as long as I'm communicating and talking to people, I know I'm, I was created to be like a speaker and to speak to people, reach people, connection. So I think just living in your purpose is the most important thing to do for anybody.
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Gosh, you know, you say that. I've watched you engage in honestly, conversations, not debates necessarily with some of the most conservative pundits, whether it's Shapiro or it's Michael Knowles, and, you know, these staunch, like, anti gay marriage, anti LGBT and anti trans and kids, like all the way over on that continuum, all the way over to the right. And I watched this interview you did with Michael Knowles and he's like, I feel like I shouldn't call you by the feminine pronoun because I, I would be denying biological reality. Like they can't, you know, but at the same time, you're my friend and I feel like it's the polite thing to do. So my reason tells me it would be objecting to reality to say she. And yet, you're my guest, you're my friend, you're my politeness, would object to calling you he. And I was fascinated watching both him and Ben Shapiro try to wrestle with treating you as their friend, which you are, showing you the respect for you that they have, but then holding on to this like, no, we need a hard line in the sand here. And the fact that you were able to Humanize this matter and open their minds a little bit and get them to kind of explore, like, I don't know, the feelings, the human beings behind this, the nuance on the matter, without worrying, like, they have to hold a very hard line or they're transing three year olds tomorrow. Blair, that is a gift. That is such a gift. How do you enter those conversations? Because I know I try to do similar things as a gay woman, but this is a, this is a whole different. You're taking on a whole different set of burdens when you go into those conversations. How do you feel when you're in them? And how are you approaching it?
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B
Well. And you do do that as well, by the way. I think that you have such an important place in the space, not just for like representing lesbians or anything. It's bigger than that. Like you, you really approach all these topics with the same thing, in my opinion. Like, you're a very humanizing force for these topics. I, I sometimes am turned off from political content, but I watch a lot of yours because you always approach it as like we're humans talking about human things. And I think that most of the times it's like, it's. It's like people become the issue they're talking about and they embody like, the issue itself rather than like where people experiencing these issues and talking about them. But for me, I, I guess part of it is just, I'm just myself. And I think that people. That resonates with people even who maybe have a predisposed ideological thing. But like, when you step in the room with me, it's like, it's clear I'm there not to embody something other than like myself. And I think that when it comes to the pronoun issue in particular,
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it
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B
is very easy and it's, it's like a very online thing to stick to. Like, I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say that, but then when you're sitting in a room with somebody, there's a utilitarian aspect to pronouns too, right? Like, there's like a use for words. So like, I think the thing with Ben Shapiro we were talking about was like, if you were trying to point me out to like a waitress at a restaurant or something, you're not gonna say like, the guy in the yellow shirt, because they're not gonna look for, at me. Like there's a, a use for words, not just an ideological thing. And I think that's just in general, like the trans thing has become ideological rather than it it wasn't like that before. So I think also, like, not having expectations of people. Like, I don't have any expectation when I'm sitting across from Michael Knowles, a Ben Shapiro. The Candace one was crazy. Hey, Candace. I don't have any expectation for those people to be something other than what they are too. Like, I know where people are coming from. You can sense.
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A
Wait, wait, wait. I didn't. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I didn't see the Candace one. I don't know how I missed that, but clearly it was great. What happened.
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B
People who know, like, this is 2017, so this is almost 10 years ago. It was a very. Basically, this is when she was known as Red pill Black. This. She wasn't even going by Candace Owens. So maybe that's why, like, it doesn't come up. But it was on the Rubin Report. He was the mediator. And it was me versus her. Because at the time she was just coming off of. She was the creator of, like, an app or a website that was doxing conservatives, but she was simultaneously, like, moving into the conservative space. And so I was like, the only one kind of sounding the alarm. Like, this person's doxing us and everyone's suddenly platforming her, including you, Dave, like, what's going on? And I think now Dave sees my point a little bit. So it was a debate, basically, about her being like, a grifter and like, purporting to be conservative even though she wasn't. And I think a lot of people have, like, come around to that now. Not saying she's not a talented person. You know, she clearly is and she's clearly a force to be reckoned with. But yeah, maybe, maybe Dave thinks he should have listened to me now. I don't know.
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A
Well, he said that.
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B
The point is, it was very heated. The point is it was a very ugly conversation slash debate,
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A
really. Gosh, you know what? I've said this before, so for anybody who's like, I know this story, apologies, but Blair, I doubt that you do. I invited Candace to come to a podcast. This has gotta be a year and a half ago. She was pregnant. So whenever the heck that was with the most recent child. And she was talking about Brigitte Macron and she was also talking about Harvey Weinstein and how she thinks that he may not have r worded these women because they couldn't describe his genitalia and he only had one testicle. And it was these kind of like crazy third rail conversations. And I really only knew her at that point as like, A woman who kind of exposed the way Black Lives Matter had misused their funds to buy houses in, like, the richest, whitest neighborhoods of California. And so I.
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B
Which was great.
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A
I invited her on to come talk to me. And Blair, this is where I'm like, I feel. So she showed up. She could not have been nicer to me. She didn't need to show up. I had this tiny little podcast here. I am gay. She couldn't have been more. Like, we talked about it. She wasn't aggressive. She didn't bash me. And then I now see, like, what's going on. And then I hear your story and Dave's story, and I have the hardest time reconciling it. Like, I just keep thinking of the woman that was magnanimous enough to show up to my podcast studio. Be polite, engage in a civil discourse. We talked about this is way before she was all the way down the rabbit hole on Israel. What do you think has happened? You saw it. So I thought, like, am I blind? Has she evolved? What is going on there? Cuz now you're telling me she was doxxing people. So this is, like, this is a hell of a continuum. I've watched her sit with Dennis Prager and talk about how people are anti Semitic and blame the Jews for everything, and now we're here. What in the world do you think has happened with this transition?
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B
Well, I think that it's, like, a lot bigger than, like, just Candace. I think that people in general right now, you know, I think all of us, no matter where we are on the continuum of, like, believing all the conspiracy theories, or I think everyone's forced to acknowledge that some of them obviously are real, and then some of us are on maybe in, like, a little bit past the middle. I kind of believe in, like, a lot of them. And so that's why it's, like, unfortunate that, you know, there's a lot of real stuff that Candace does weave into her episodes. But it's like, the bigger things overall that I think really do a disservice to it. I think that people in general are just really hungry for a truth and a sort of narrative to follow outside of, like, the government, because we can all acknowledge the government has lied to us about so many things. And I think that it's hard to necessarily blame or be mad at people who sort of, like, lose it from that paradigm, because sometimes I feel myself losing it. And I'm like, they're lying about Epstein. They're lying about this. And you have to really center Yourself. But I think that maybe part of it is like, I know that she goes live like five days a week or something like that. If you have to hit it five days a week, it's like, maybe you don't have time to really center yourself and really think. Like, okay, what is the truth here? What should I not say? So she's personally lost me. They're actually, despite our beef, was a brief window. I was like, okay, okay. I even heard her out about Brigitte. And to be honest, if I do too, if I did too, and Right. And to be honest, I guess if it found, I found out.
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A
Did you believe it?
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B
I didn't believe it or she would sell me. But like, I'm always open to like, crazier things have happened. Like, life is crazy. This world is crazy.
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A
Dude, I believed it. I was, I watched it and I made my wife watch it and I made my mom watch it. I'm like, brigitte's a man. Brigitte's totally a man. And yeah, no, no. I'm like, all right, I may have lost my. I may have lost it there.
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B
But the ability to pull yourself back out. Right? I think engaging with ideas, even if they're, you know, out there, a radical is actually so important because you really find out where you are. So for me, what I've. Where I've landed is like, is she a man? I don't think so. However, there's a lot of other messed up stuff going on there. The fact that she got with him when, when he was like 13 or 14. And so I think that, yep, the conversation should be about that and some other things. So you, you have to find the middle ground. And that's something that I think people have a hard time doing because a lot of people haven't had to actually do that. Right. A lot of people either believe the government narrative all of the time or they never believe it, which is actually, I think, just as, like, ignorant. Like, so I was at the White House correspondents, the Hilton. I was at the Fox News party. And I left literally minutes before the shooter came in and shot where I was just at on foot. And so it was surreal for me to, as I'm sure you've seen, like, online, it's like almost unanimous online that like, it was staged like left and right or like it was. Yes, that's been surreal for me. But at the same time, it's hard for me to get mad at anybody because they lie about so much. But you're the ability to decipher, okay, Maybe there was something up with this other event. And maybe I really, truly think that and believe that maybe I'm right. That doesn't mean everything is fake. Like believing everything is fake is actually just as diluted as believing every government narrative. You know what I'm saying?
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A
I absolutely know what you're saying. We actually talked a little bit about this last week in relation to the White House Correspondent's Dinner, and you've got the blue pill of you believe everything the government says. The red pill of the moment where you go, okay, Covid came from a lab, not a wet market, you bastards. And then all of a sudden, the FBI and CIA, yeah, it looks like it came from a lab. And you're like, I knew it. And then Epstein happens, and it's just one more thing that Pizzagate you were thinking, okay, I must be crazy for thinking there's some truth in this, only to find out that there is some truth in it. And that gives way to complete and total nihilism. The black pill, where you just think everything's fake. And I gotta tell you though, Blair, you just nailed it. Because it is as disempowering as. As the blue pill. When you believe in nothing and you're totally helpless and hopeless and all faith in institutions is lost. You stop fighting for what matters because you've thrown your hands up. And I hate to say, if I was to posit a conspiracy theory, I would tell you I think that's the way a lot of the world powers wants us. It's like, well, if they're not gonna be blue pilled, let's just take their. Like, take them out at the knees so they don't do anything anyway and they don't believe anything's real. I think you bring up such a good point. And for me, I end up having to go on these deep dives for hours. And my team, I will send Blair, I will send them stuff. And I have two guys are amazing, Michael and Fletcher. And they're literally. They get back to me. They're like that tweet that looks like it's from Somalia about Ilhan Omar is a totally fake account that this Ben Stiller saying that he regrets. Regrets voting for mom. Donnie, that has made it through the zeitgeist on social media. Never happened. It's almost impossible to get to the truth because how much time in the day do you have? What do you do to keep yourself centered in reality?
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B
So I spend a lot of time researching. I think I go down the rabbit hole more than people Even like expect of me. It's actually like my number one hobby. And I, I find myself. You can find a lot of truth in older books, older literature, older texts, older accounts of history, newspapers.com. If you really want to find information like pre AI, pre Internet stuff is a lot better and can help you like build your worldview and apply it to now. Because you really can't trust almost anything happening right now. You look at AI, I see people getting one shotted by AI who are not boomers. I think there's this narrative that all the boomers are falling for AI. I think a lot of people a lot younger than that don't even realize they are too. And a perfect example is, I'm sure you've seen that Erica Kirk AI video recently where she's looking really terrifyingly into the camera and it's zooming in and she's breathing heavily. I have seen everybody up and down, left and right. That's where it's not AI and it is fake. Yeah. You didn't know it was fake. Yeah, it's fake. It's AI. If you watch the full video, that moment never occurred. And once you, once you see it, you can kind of see it like the, the eyes and the skin texture. It kind of made her look like 10 years older than she is. She has a few. Maybe it's because I'm really into like skincare and Botox and all that. I can see, like she does not have wrinkles. Like the AI video made it. So, so, yeah, but even I like, because so many people were saying it wasn't AI. I was like, wow, maybe it's not like I should maybe cut that out. But it was fake.
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A
You know James Lee's account, this here's another one. Couldn't be a nicer guy. I don't think he could be more well intentioned. He covers so much stuff on his account with corruption in California, whether it's NGOs and the homelessness fraud or it's the food industry. And he's just so good at it. He's fervently anti Israel to the point that I think a lot of it is no longer true, unfounded, and doesn't take into account other aspects of like, oh, APEC gives money, but all right, what about Qatar and China and this and that? Point being, I think he's a well intentioned guy. There's a lot of stuff where I think he goes too far or he goes off piste. But his video, he shows her doing this and he goes Verbatim. Blair this is not AI. Small businesses are the backbone of the American economy. But getting funding from traditional banks is an uphill battle. And of the 36 million small businesses in the US over 70% of them report needing additional capital every year. So while revenue is at an all time high, big banks are tightening standards and approving fewer loans than ever, which leaves owners stuck with mountains of paperwork. But if you want bank rates without the bank delays, check out Cardiff Co Jillian for up to $500,000 in same day funding. Cardiff is the largest privately held small business lender in the US having funded over $12 billion since 2004. Their application takes less than five minutes, has no impact on your personal credit, and approvals happen within minutes. With same day funding banks, they try to lock out small businesses. Cardiff has the key. So big banks may not want to approve your business loans, but Cardiff does. And if you've been in business for at least a year and you're pulling in $20,000 a month in revenue, apply now for up to $500,000 in same day funding at Cardiff Co Jillian Again, that's Cardiff Co Jillian. And because I like James and I think, I think he gives good information, I actually, I mean I didn't say anything about it, I didn't do anything with it, but I didn't bother to investigate further. And I'll have you know that even Rogan has shouted him out as a person that he gets information from. And that's the most powerful man in media, right? So that is scary. So nuts. That's crazy, right?
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B
And, and it's one of those things like, what do you even really do with a video like that? Like, okay, she's looking kind of creepily into the camera. Like it still doesn't mean she killed her husband. It still doesn't mean she had anything to do with that. You know what I mean? Like, so it is really disturbing and I think it's, I know it's unfortunately only going to get worse. I don't know the role of people like you and I in an AI future, like our value to the world is either gonna like skyrocket or become like, like non existent. I'm not going to speak that into the universe. Like it's clearly going to go up. But I think that people are either going to really value real people and like real people speaking or there's going to be a lot of an era of extreme nihilism, even more than right now where it's like nothing's real anyways. And Maybe it'll be that happens first, and then, you know, the pendulum always swings, right? Like, what I'm hoping is we're in this very nihilistic period where people are bowing out of politics and government and all that. But I think that, you know, because there is a certain amount of that that is necessary because we shouldn't have ever been in that period where we once were all asleep and just, you know, eating all the government narratives and just never questioning it. That was really bad, too. My hope is that the pendulum swings somewhere in the middle where we can all say, you know what? It doesn't take away from the fact that we're lied to constantly. But if we're just going to assume everything's fake also, then kind of, what's the point of engaging with anything, you know, people. How do I say this without sounding maybe, like, mean or, like, elitist or something? A lot of people are just not that smart, and they offload thinking to other people. A lot of people offload their decisions to the person on the tv. They're both.
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A
They're.
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B
They're busy.
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A
Let's say that, you know what? Right. I think, you know, if I had to. If I had to say, because when I do it, I think you're. You're busy. You've found sources that you.
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B
You.
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A
You think you trust that can still make mistakes. There was one account that usually puts. Puts out great information, and the other day, it was like, jimmy Kimmel has lost his residency in Las Vegas. And I thought, jimmy Kimmel doesn't have a residency in Las Vegas. And, you know, it had to do with him making those statements about the Trump assassination and Melania being beautiful, like an expectant widow. And of course, it wasn't real. But I think it's like, all right, I trust this person. I don't have the time. I'm not an expert in this area. But I guess at some point, Blair, you make a tremendous point in so much that if you're going to take any sort of action or form any sort of concrete opinion that affects the way you behave in the world, you're gonna have to do the homework, or it's gonna be devastating for your life and for society as we know it. And one thing I want to throw out there on AI, I don't know if you've had this happen to you yet. There are hundreds of videos out there of me that are all fake. All of them. In fact, this morning, there was an ad that I came across of me with Hoda Kotb. And I think it's. Oh my God, her co host, Bush, I think her name, I can't remember her frickin name. Which is so embarrassing. I never watched that show. And we're supposedly making this diet jello Blair. It looks like us. And people are like, what's the jello? The diet jello recipe. And they believe, they believe it. Like, they don't take the time on my website. I'm like, these things are not me. This is not real. There's only one supplement company I work with, it's called Alaya Naturals. It's pinned on my frickin Instagram page and still people think it's me. It is crazy, even though it goes against everything I've ever said and done. Are you getting any of that yet of like fake videos, anything like that?
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B
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And one thing I've been a victim of, I don't like calling myself a victim, but it's the closest word here. One of the things that's been really disturbing is I've been a victim of AI of me.
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A
Oh.
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B
And that has been crazy. I've had people, you know, they'll just DM me like a picture that looks like a naked picture of me and be like, is this real? And I've never taken or sent anything like that in my life, and it's not. And I actually found this out when I. A while ago, they were rebooting the Real World. MTV used to have a show called the Real World. They were rebooting it, they wanted me on it. I. I didn't end up doing it, but based on the background check they were doing on the castmates, they came back with a big folder of all this fake Internet pornography of me. And they were like, some of this looks fake, but we just need to verify, like, is any of it real? And I'm sitting there as someone who's never ever engaged in anything even close to that, being like, pretty embarrassed and like, humiliated, even though it wasn't my own actions. So yes, these things are very, very real and demented. And it's also, you know, you think of people post their kids online a lot. There are people that make a living posting their kids online. And I probably don't even need to say much more, but that's the world we're living in now. And I think that's also a big part of the nihilism we were just talking about. Like, people are really like kind of wanting to bow out because what do you do? Especially with AI it's almost this weird thing that, like, no one really loves AI. Like, I don't know anybody who. A lot of people find it useful. I certainly am not against utilizing it. I'll look up a thing and oftentimes get a better answer than Google. But at the same time, we all kind of recognize it's leading somewhere very dark and weird and scary and anti human. And yet as a species, we just almost have this like, thing. We can't choose to stop going there. Like, we're almost like. But we're still going to go there anyways. It's. It's crazy.
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A
You know, it's so funny you say that. I used to, like, I'm not a big social media person. It's just not my generation. So I've kind of always shied away from posting things about my life personally to begin with because it felt very, I don't know, braggy to me. It just wasn't what you did, you know, in my generation, you were conceited if you did stuff like that. Whereas, like, for millennials, they're just sharing stuff with each other and encouraging each other. I never really did it. I never really used it. And as of late, we've started to use it for the podcast very successfully. And so I end up going on there because I'm engaging with people's comments. So, you know, by the time you're on there and you're engaging with comments, all of a sudden you do start scrolling it. And for a while I would watch things that, you know, a dog saving a person's life, an incredible ginormous whale in a scuba diving video. These things that begot wonderment about, like, how incredible the world was and how intricate nature is and how beautiful some of these dynamics between human beings and humans and animals. And now every effing video is fake. It's all AI to the point that I don't even know anymore. There was one of like the world's largest great white breaching the. And, And I, like, I don't even. I used to just sit there and think, what is that creature? Who is the God that made that thing?
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B
Whoa.
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A
And now you're like, that's not even real. And it just, it's like robbing the world of its magic and I don't even know how to get around it. Like, what am I gonna do? Look up what's the world's largest great white shark?
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B
Right? Where do we.
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Where do you find the magic anymore? With crap like that?
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B
I completely agree. And the animal ones especially are like the most convincing. Because with humans we can luckily still kind of be like that mouth isn't moving right or the texture of the skin, whatever. But with animals it's a little harder obviously. You know, again I I online it's like a bit controversial that I'm like a Christian and I believe in God and you know, it is what it is. So I'd never like to sound like I'm on some. Like I'm not a preacher at all and I'm a flawed human being. But I think that that's the reason why so many people are clinging to God right now. There is a resurgence of spirituality in all directions. Like I see people, you know, going towards like witchcraft on tick tock. Like Gen Z is like a lot of witches and stuff. And then a lot of new Christians and people, a lot of Muslims are, you know, I think that the people are running towards that because of what you're talking about, that there is this void of wonderment and of, you know, just what makes this realm so special. And I think that God gives people that, I know certainly God gives me that. Studying religion and the Bible and God and fostering that like personal connection is really the only thing other than my connection with like, you know, my fiance and the people around me that I love. Like, it's really through spirituality and through God that I'm retaining that. And so that also makes me like a worrier for people that don't have any connection to that. And I'm not making a value judgment on where they're finding that, but I think that it is something that is important.
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A
It's funny you say that my, I was agnostic my whole life, still am. But I believe in something. I just don't purport to know what it is. I definitely lean in, into Christianity in so much that I like Christians. I appreciate how they conduct themselves in the world. I think that Jesus was pretty miraculous person, whether he was God himself or just an exceptionally evolved human. I like that, you know, can't really argue with Jesus and who that individual was on the planet. Can't really argue with that. Can't find fault with it. Where I struggle with it, and I've said this before, is just simply being gay. You know, you don't really, it's like, well that's a sin and you're going to hell. Can't reconcile that one. And I can't reconcile that my God personally would create a hell for people that are good people that might be Jewish or that might be Muslim, that Is the part that. That's the only. Those are the two things with Christianity that, that I continue to say religion seems beautiful. Christians are exceptionally magnanimous, and Christ is definitely, you know, sets an example that we should all aspire to. But those two things, Blair, I can't reconcile it. I don't know how. Lately I've been more intentional about what I wear day to day. I lean into pieces that are effortless, comfortable, and put together, and it makes getting dressed so much simpler. And Quince has been my go to. The fabrics are elevated, the fits are flattering, and everything just works without overthinking it. Quince makes it easy to refresh your style this spring with premium materials like 100% European linen, organic cotton, ultra soft denim, and their lightweight linen pants and dresses started just $30. They're breathable and they are perfect for wearing on repeat. Because Quince works directly with ethical factories and cuts out the middleman. You get to pay for craftsmanship rather than brand markup. Everything is priced 50 to 80% less than similar luxury brands. Their denim has been a total standout for me. It's supportive but soft. And honestly, when I saw the price, I did a double take. So refresh your everyday with luxury that you're gonna actually use. Head to Quince.com Jillian for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com Jillian for free shipping and 365 day returns.
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B
Quince.com Jillian yeah, I completely relate to that. And those are things that also, before I became a Christian at 30, I'm 32 now. I also, I was never an atheist. I never claimed there was no God or anything, but I was, you know, I just couldn't get past the hypocrisy I would see amongst some Christians. Because what you're saying is true. There's so many amazing Christians and there's some really awful ones. And I, I sort of, I just kind of figured out one day, like, you know, if God is real, if Jesus is real, if Christianity is true, then it actually has nothing to do with anybody who calls themselves a Christian. Like, even Jesus didn't call himself a Christian. He didn't say that people needed to create a religion around him. So what if, like, Christians get it wrong, but I should still maybe give the rest of it a chance? And I'll, I'll even be like, maybe a bit controversial here. Like, I don't love, like, some parts of the Bible, some parts of the Bible. Once you learn that it's just religious authorities throughout society that decided what books should be in and what one's taken out, your mind can kind of open a bit to be like, you know, maybe like, every part of this doesn't have to resonate with my life all of the time because I certainly see other Christians who purport to believe in the entire thing, who doesn't resonate with them. I see people sinning, etc. Etc. I personally, you know, I always say to people, I hate that there are gay people in the world or trans people that feel like opening that book and like, you know, developing a relationship with God is something off limits to them because it's not. Realistically, you know, Jesus is the closest to the brokenhearted. This is in the Bible. Jesus was the closest in all these stories to people who were deemed sinners and heretical in their societies. And so I've clung to that actually. Like, when I was honing in on, like, well, what if it's just overall just such a problem that I'm. I'm me and not compatible with God? I eventually said, you know what? Like, if God is real, then that's, that's not God to me. And so I, I believe God made me exactly who I am. And I'm not saying God made me trans. That was my personal choice. But that's, you know, we're in this, like, you know, this world where we make choices. But I believe God loves all of us to keep it really, really simple. And anybody who says that, that's off limits to a certain group of people. That's like the most ungodly thing you could ever say, in my opinion. And also the concept of hell is actually pretty widely debated. Once I learned on a tangible level that there are thousands, yes, there are tens of thousands of different denominations of Christianity. So clearly right there, we're looking at all these different groups that don't all agree on what the Bible says. Like, different denominations agree and disagree with what hell really is. You know, it's. It goes by the word Sheol in the Bible. It's. Some people believe that it was only really meant for, like, fallen angels and other entities, not necessarily for people. I'm not making a call on that either way. I still am on my journey to understanding what I. What I believe the Bible says about hell, but it's not some unanimous thing as people like to think it is.
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A
Oh, gosh, Blair, I didn't actually know that. And I don't know, if I had to. If I had to guess at what hell might be, I think we could definitely find it here on Earth. There is no question about that, right? I just don't. I just don't think a loving God punishes people. I just don't see it. And I also wonder on some level, when you have great evil, a Hitler character is there. You know, without this great evil. When I listen to Buddhists be philosophical on this topic, it's like, well, without great evil, you can't have great good. You know, there's a great book called the Prophet. It's like from the 70s by this guy Khalil Gibran, who's this Lebanese philosopher. And I remember I found it in my mom's office one day when I was a teenager. And basically he talks about how, you know, the more sorrow you have, the more joy you can hold. And he shows you that juxtaposition of pleasure and pain, you know, sadness and joy. And I then start to wonder if all of this evil in the world doesn't serve some sort of very important purpose. Like, maybe God did all of this on purpose, because without it, we wouldn't know this kind of great love and great connection. We wouldn't appreciate these things. Maybe we would take it for granted. Maybe that's the point in which case I don't see God putting Hitler in hell, even though that's where I think he belongs. Maybe God's like, all right, you did what you needed to do. Maybe that's the case. I. I don't. I don't purport to know. All I can say is that for me, when I look at the world, it's so magical. And I look at the universe and then the possibility of infinite universes, and then they explain to you the mathematics of the universe and how it all seems to function on program. That's where I'm like, all right, this can't all just be by random chance. I don't believe it. I know it's theoretically possible, but I just don't believe it. And so it's weird. I'm like, Christian adjacent. I really like Christians, and I think the religion is beautiful, but those are the two. But now you've kind of given me a little bit of room to work within it, which I really respect. I want to ask you something totally different, actually, and it's a bit of a strange segue, but I know I can't keep you forever, and I want to get to it. You were talking the other day about looks Maxing. And we all know about this at this point. And you know these young kids that are smashing their face with hammers. And everybody knows about this kid Clavicular, whose real name Ike escapes me at the moment. And he went from kind of a goofy looking 14 year old to an exceptionally handsome younger man. And you could see why that would be appealing. But you went on to talk about the things these kids are doing that I didn't know. And the fact that it's on a platform called Kik and then showed video of influencers on this platform essentially humiliating homeless people. What is this platform? What is going on on it? And why are kids leaning into this? Never even heard.
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B
Yeah, a lot of the live streaming happening right now is really demented. Like I don't, I think it's, it goes back to that like nihilism culture we're talking about and like this hopelessness because when you have hope, you don't treat people badly. Like hope is an inherent like imagination of a more positive future which doesn't include like abusing homeless people or being cruel to others. And streaming is definitely like that. It's about clicks and money obviously. But yeah, the looks maxing thing is really interesting. Like the fact that it kind of came out of like nowhere is really on a human level, like really interesting to look at. Clavicular, I think is such a little sweetie. I feel bad for him. I think that he has a lot of bad people around him. I think he is an example of a very autistic young man who's very brilliant, who is, you know, tunneling on one thing, which autistic people tend to do, and that's fine. And they become exceptional with the things they tunnel on, which is his looks. I worry about his health. I know that he overdosed on drugs and it's really scary because the video of him overdosing. As he's overdosing, his friend leans over and offers him an Adderall. So you wonder about, in the influencer world you can have negative people around you quite a lot. But I think that also in this like world where we all feel like we have no control right now, I think a lot of helplessness is, is being felt around the world, especially among young people. Gen Z. Like the body is one thing that you can actually manipulate and control. Obviously, like I'm a bit looks maxing adjacent. Like I see people say like Clavicular is man to man, trans and so.
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A
Never heard that before. But that makes perfect sense. He wears makeup, 100 shoulder pads, totally
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B
yeah, the alteration of your body, I think that it can be a way of regaining, like, control in a world that you don't have a lot of control. It's. It's the same reason why a lot of people who are anorexic become anorexic or have eating disorders. Maybe their life feels like it's spiraling, and they can. The one thing they can change and have power over is their body. That's just one diagnosis that I could think to give to it, but the other is that, you know, just the toxicity of where influencers are allowed to lead people. Because even though I like clavicular, obviously it's very bad to be teaching young people to hit themselves in the face with a hammer or go on, you know, drugs and a long list of peptides that are affecting their bodies. So I think that it's a symptom of. Of that hopelessness people are feeling. I really do. And I think a lot of people see it as, like, a joke, and it's a meme and it's funny and it is all those things. But I think it's also reminiscent of, like, kind of how bad things are.
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A
I totally agree with you. And I've literally never heard of that platform kick. It sounds like Twitch Squared. And Twitch is already distressing. Like, I can't figure out why Hasan Piker is still on there. I don't understand how is this allowed? And at some point, there are rules to free speech. You are not allowed to call for violence. He is actively calling for violence. That is not. You're not allowed to incite violence. That's. That's not part of free speech. That's a no. You're not allowed to do that. And yet for money, it is crazy what these platforms will do, whether it's OnlyFans or it's Twitch. If it. If it makes money and it's just damaging the hell out of our kids, I'm so grateful that they're young, younger, younger than me. People like yourself, making content that I hope when my kids come across, it causes them to think and exposes some of these dangerous trends as not effing cool, actually sociopathic. And I. I wanted to take a moment and thank you for that. First of all, thank you for coming on. You're wonderful. And where do people get more from you? For anybody who's been living under a rock,
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B
just Google me. Blair White. I'm on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok. I have my second channel called the Blair White Project, which is my podcast channel. So just you can find me anywhere.
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A
Thank you so much sweetheart. I really appreciate it and this is so much fun. We can do this again.
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B
Yeah.
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A
When Spencer wins or loses, we're gonna have to do this one in person.
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B
So much for watching.
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A
If you enjoyed the podcast, please like comment, subscribe and share and make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.
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