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Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
Trump VS The Press: Who’s Really Winning - with Ainsley Earhardt
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Jillian Michaels
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Ainsley Earhardt
You're welcome. Thanks for having me.
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Jillian Michaels
Ainsley. I gotta be honest, this Jake Tapper book has bothered me to the core and I haven't been able to let it go. Even though it's like, okay, it's been weeks, like, we got it, he wrote the book and you know, you think he's A Salah you think he knew, like, blah, blah, blah. And a lot of people have tried to push the narrative more into the realm of what the DNC did to cover things up. The reason that one isn't resonating with me as much as being angry at Jake Tapper is because I expect that from the parties. I expect power to try and perpetuate itself and protect itself. Like that is what I expect. But my expectation from the media is to be that fourth estate and hold power to account. You work. Is Fox the biggest news organization in the world or like one of the top three? Like what is.
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Ainsley Earhardt
Absolutely, yeah. Our ratings are really great, and Fox and Friends is the number one morning cable show. But yes, we were watched consistently throughout the election and we've just grown and grown and yes, our ratings are great and I'm so thrilled to be a part of such a network. We've been telling the story, Gillian, for a long time, as you know, and the right definitely saw the decline in his cognitive, in his cognitive abilities. And we were reporting on it. I mean, he was falling, bless his heart, on the stage, our commander in chief tripping over the sandbag. We saw him almost fall several times. We saw him walking off the stage and not knowing where to go, walking into the distance, into the jungle. It was, I mean, it was obvious to Fox News. And we were honest about it. It was the left that wasn't honest about it.
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Jillian Michaels
Can I ask you this? If it was Trump, would you guys have covered it? That really is. The bigger question is, okay, everybody's partisan, so it's not your guy, right? If it was Trump falling down off the stage, making, you know, these nonsensical speeches, falling apart in a presidential debate, would you guys have covered it? Honestly, do you think you would?
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Ainsley Earhardt
We definitely would have. We would have. We would have been asking questions behind the scenes because, I mean, if you think about the bigger picture, if you are, if you are an opinion host, television host, you care about the party, you care about the country. We care about the soldiers in Afghanistan when there's a withdrawal and, you know, 13American service members lose their lives. Their parents were in my head constantly because I saw Joe Biden checking his watch on the, on the tarmac during the dignified transfer and not ever mentioning their names. And the, and the families of some of these service members spoke at the rnc and they were so upset about this. We have a president, a commander in chief who is head of the military who is withdrawing. It was botched. It was chaotic, and it Wasn't done properly. And it was, it, you know, Americans were, were lost. American lives were lost as a result of that. So when you think about. Not if you, if you cover this up and you don't acknowledge it, it's putting men and women who serve our country at risk.
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Jillian Michaels
You know, it's also not just that. It's everything you're saying. It's not just the Biden thing and how it affected Afghanistan. It's also the COVID cover up the Hunter Biden laptop, cover up all of these different cover ups. And when you look at, like, I have a literal list that is so long I couldn't even begin to go through it in this one show. But it's like mask mandates and lockdowns and vaccine hesitancy and the Hunter Biden, like all, even Trump suggesting that the 2020 election was stolen from him. It turns out that now we're seeing all of this correspondence between the government and the media about what they are and are not allowed to cover. And while I have never seen evidence personally and, you know, that could suggest the 2020 election was actually stolen, now to hear that it was quieted down in the media does make you a bit like, well, why would you do that now? Why would you be silencing the press? But, okay, so a bigger question that I have right now is this press purge. There's a video going around of Obama saying, imagine if I had done these things. Imagine if I had blocked Fox News. Literally said this verbatim. In fact, I'll put it in right now so people can watch the clip.
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Ainsley Earhardt
Imagine if I had done any of this. Let me just, I just, I just want to be clear about this. Imagine that. Imagine if I had pulled Fox News.
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Jillian Michaels
Credentials from the White House press corps. If I had blocked Fox News from the newsroom, what do you think the response would have been? Because Trump is blocking certain organizations from the newsroom. And while I, on one hand, you're like, well, they're not covering things fairly and it's partisan and it's biased. On the other hand, you're like, yeah, but you can't, you can't control who's in the room. What do you think about that? What if Obama had blocked Fox News from the press?
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Ainsley Earhardt
I mean, the, the Biden administration did block social media from posting certain stories. The Oba. The Biden administration did block the Hunter story from getting out there before the election and after the election. People who didn't know about the story overwhelmingly said they would have changed their vote. They never would have voted for Biden. So they continuously block and censor everything on social media, continue to have negative coverage. We ran a story a few weeks ago about the negative coverage on the three major networks. Nightly news coverage of Trump, and I think it was, was it 92% was completely negative. So you're only, if you're watching the other networks, they're blocking anything that President Trump is doing that's beneficial for our country. So they consistently do this. So when the president sees that they're lying about him, that there's fake news, he has every right to say to the ap, you're not allowed in the Oval Office for this interview. The AP was up in arms about it. But that is his personal workspace. That's the Oval Office. He's allowed to tell which, which reporters he wants on Air Force One to travel on his personal, professional, or I should say professional plane while he's trying to do his work. He's the president. He has, he was elected by the people. And the people, I don't think they're, they don't care. They really don't. They know they can get the news from other outlets. They can find out what happened inside the Oval Office. But he's saying, if you don't cover me fairly and you're not telling the truth, at least tell both sides. And, you know, these are journalists that say that they are. They're not opinion people. And on Fox News, on our morning show, we can give our opinions. So, you know, I'm a television host and you have other people on other networks that are hired to be journalists, but they don't tell both sides. And I could give you some examples too, of, I would love that, actually.
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Jillian Michaels
And if you could elaborate a bit on the distinction of what is considered a journalist, because honestly, I, Ainsley, to me, you're a journalist. I get news from you.
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Ainsley Earhardt
So, you know, in journalism school, we did learn tell both sides, don't give your opinion about politics, don't give your opinion at all. But then it depends on what outlet you work for and what your title is like during the day. Fox News is, is news oriented. And then the morning show in our prime time, you can give your opinion. I know you're friends with Sean Hannity. Sean gives his opinion. It's, you know, it's not, it's no secret that he's conservative and he's built his whole brand and his business on that. So FOX has never told me what I can and can't say on air. So I am able to cover it. But I also think I was hired because I'm from South Carolina and we're the Bible Belt, and our viewers line up with. With how I was raised. And so I know our audience, and I know. But we. We do tell both sides, and we have a lot of independents that watch our show. And I remember when Hillary Clinton was running and she refused to come on our show, we asked her and asked her. I would call her office continuously, and she never did. And then I was close with some of the people behind the scenes that work for her campaign, and they said, you know, we regretted that. We regret that we didn't ever do that because we know y' all have so many independents that watch your show. People switch around. I. You know, I'll watch. I'll watch other news networks, networks that I know are extremely liberal or very progressive, and I'll watch them just to get a taste of. Of what's going on. Sometimes in the morning when I'm getting ready the live broadcast of cbs, and I watch them, and they definitely tell their stories with, you know, more negative skewed toward Trump. So. So I just. I like to get my news everywhere, and I think most Americans do that. I'm sure you do that. I think we all do.
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Jillian Michaels
I'm trying. I admit that I am trying what I have had to do. And I'm. I'm ashamed to tell you this, because I would love to tell you that I can. I can digest Rachel Maddow. I can't. I actually cannot do it. I can't sit through it. It's like. I just. It's just so much. So many lies that cross into my area of expertise that I find it unbearable. With that said, if it's a debate show, then you got me. Whether it's like, peers or I can do Abby Phillips, I can watch that. And I feel it's like hiding spinach in brownies, where I can get exposed to ideas that are not in alignment with my own that get me to think. But it is become impo. Like Joy Reid back in the day when she was still on MSNBC and Don Lemon. I found it unbearable. Unbearable, Ainsley. Cause it was just so biased and dishonest. And that's where we get into the COVID stuff.
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Ainsley Earhardt
I was so angry. I feel that way about the View. I really don't watch the View. And, you know, I'm sure I know some of them personally or friends that are friends with them, but I just. It's just spewing so much anger and Screaming. But the media lied about so much of Donald Trump. I made a list. They lied about the Russia collusion.
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Jillian Michaels
Yep.
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Ainsley Earhardt
They lied about the FISA warrants, they lied about the value of Mar A Lago and, and dragged him through the court system. They, they said that Mar A Lago was valued at $18 million. Gillian, you're down in Florida a lot. You know that that's not true. One tiny little piece of property, Neighbor's.
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Jillian Michaels
House was 18 million do dollars when he bought it during COVID And now I would imagine it's like $60 million. Mind you, the house that I was living in at the time was nowhere near that. He had, like the front house on the bay. But nevertheless, I would, I would get.
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Ainsley Earhardt
You and Sean and some other people. We could pull all of our money. I would say, here's a check. Donald Trump, we want property. And I would build a big hotel. But yes, that property is on the intercoastal. The backside is. And the front of the property is on the ocean. And it's a huge patch of land and a huge beautiful home and enough room for a country club. So he has the beach club on the front, on the beach side. It would be worth probably $1 billion, especially now, now that prices are so. So have increased in Palm Beach. But they covered up Joe Biden's cognitive decline, and now they're writing books about it now that he's lost the election. After the debate when it was obvious to everybody they couldn't cover it up anymore when he did the debate. And, and you couldn't even understand he was saying, and I remember, remember Trump's famous line, he said, I don't know what you just said. And I don't think you know either.
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Jillian Michaels
Yes.
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Ainsley Earhardt
And, you know, they covered that up. They didn't want to tell their audiences. And I don't understand why they want us to trust them. But yet they were lying to us and lying to us and lying to us. And the more time passed, the more we realized it, the more the American people realized it. And then they stopped trusting them. And then they started trusting Donald Trump. Then they started to take an interest in his court cases and saw what they were doing to him and realized that could happen to, to anyone, anyone could be dragged through the courts, especially in New York. If you're a conservative, you better be careful. And we, you know, another thing is we barely saw Joe Biden for four years. What we're seeing right now from Trump is transparency. And he has told people like this Puck reporter was covering him during the election. Her name is Tara Palmeri and she was broadcasting Jillian from Palm beach as part of the election coverage. And her credentials into Mar A Lago were denied. And Chris La Civita, who worked on Trump's campaign, posted on X Palmeri was denied credentials to enter Mar A Lago to cover election night due to her proclivity to write BS this new book by, by Jake Tapper and Thompson. The Dems and Biden's aides admit in the book that they were willing to do anything they could to make sure that that Joe Biden was elected. They didn't care about his cognitive decline. They were willing to lie to all of their viewers, their audience, their followers, their listeners. And then the Washington Post, the credentials were rescinded because Donald Trump, this was in June of 2016 labeled, the paper is dishonest and phony and you can't blame them. I mean, if someone's covering you and they're not telling both sides of the story over and over and over and all it is is negative, negative, negative. Would you want to invite them into your press room? Would you want to invite. Especially when it's opinion. It's not. These are not journalists and supporters justified the responses because they said their coverage was biased or inaccurate. And then like I mentioned before, the AP was banned from the Oval Office. And the president, I mean, he has absolute discernment and discretion as to who comes in the Oval Office. It's a sacred ground also for security reasons. And that was another. Think about this, Gillian. All the negative press, did that lead to protesters and activists and people who wanted to, wanted to kill individuals, The Supreme Court justices, also Donald Trump, he survived two assassination attempts. And actually, when you look back on it, conservatives really wanted Donald Trump to win and didn't want Joe Biden to win. But it actually worked out in our country's favor because we saw everything was exposed and it's going to continue to be exposed over the next four years. And hopefully we can have trust in the FBI again. We can under, you know, our new leaders. We just need to restore trust in our government agencies. And with Doge cleaning up, cleaning out, exposing all the fraud and waste and some of these examples of fraud and waste, they spent millions of dollars on this study to find out if transgender women could have no transgender men, if they could still get pregnant and have babies. I'm like, that's pretty obvious. If they were born biological women. Do we need to spend our tax dollars discovering this? Then there were LBGTQ rats that they spent Millions and millions of dollars on.
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Jillian Michaels
Yeah.
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Ainsley Earhardt
I mean, these are things that people work hard for their money. They don't want to spend. They just don't want to see waste.
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Jillian Michaels
Okay. One thing in particular that I found extremely disturbing was this court case called Missouri vs Biden. So they found federal court filings exposed emails, she showing the White House, the Biden White House, cdc, dhs, FBI pressured social media companies to censor or suppress Covid Origins mask lockdown, Stanford Virality Project, vaccine hesitancy hunter, Biden laptop. And he essentially referred to it as an Orwellian ministry of truth. But we know that, we've talked about it, we just covered it. But the concern is, does that happen on the other side now? So the concern would be, okay, we get it, this happened under the Biden administration. But if Trump is purging press passes and he's defunding NPR organizations like npr, Public Radio, through this community broadcasting, the cbp. Forgive me, I'm new to this. What the heck is he called here? I wrote it all down. The CBP that funds npr. If he's manipulating. Because this would be the argument is you're just going to get the same thing on the other side. He's going to manipulate the media. So you only get his side of the story. And it's one thing to say, well, people can cover it, but you can only cover the information you're actually being given. In other words, if you tell all the journalists, hey, guys, here's a study in Nature. It's the most reputable journal in the world, and it says that Covid came from a wet market. Well, okay, how do you argue with that as a journalist, even though we now know that was a Fauci construct?
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Ainsley Earhardt
Right.
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Jillian Michaels
Does he become the same Orwellian ministry of truth just for the opposite side if we don't block him from doing some of these things?
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Ainsley Earhardt
I think if you covered that story and we, we covered all angles of that. We, we did. Many people we had on our, our coverage or on our newscast would say that it came from the Wuhan lab, for instance. And then we had other people like Dr. Fauci saying, I'm not sure it could have come from the wet market.
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Jillian Michaels
Right.
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Ainsley Earhardt
And so we were covering both sides because Americans were dying, people around the world were dying. We wanted the truth, so we were covering both. But it just seemed the more you unpacked that story and you saw Fauci's connections to the nih, it seemed like it was unethical for him to work for both sides and tell us what his side of the story was, because it was going to affect his career. He was paid, you know, to work for the NIH to do this gain of function research. And now he's trying to say, oh, no, it didn't come from that lab. Well, once we unpacked the story and we realized how connected he was to it, we questioned, why is he in charge? Why is he the health czar? Why is he at the podium telling us where this from, where this came, can we trust him? And we were asking those questions with an open mind, you know, wondering, where did. From where did it come? And we all wanted to know that. So that's just an example of how you can cover it and cover both sides and still question when you look at his research in his past and what agencies he's connected to, whether or not he's telling the truth. But Donald Trump, he started signing executive orders on day one in the second term, and he signed an executive order, it's called EO 14149, and it's preventing federal agencies from collaborating with private entities to censor lawful speech. He was saying that conservative voices were being targeted. And he instructed the AG to investigate potential infringements on free speech during the Biden administration. So hopefully we'll get to the bottom of some of this. Npr, he signed an executive order saying, we're not giving you federal fund anymore. Well, if you listen to NPR and you're a conservative, you might say that is not true. Everything they're reporting on is skewed. And they want you to only one side of the story. So why are my federal dollars going to that? Why are my tax dollars into PBS social media? Trump filed lawsuits against social media companies. They were weaponized by the government. Yeah, you remember Facebook, Remember Mark Zuckerberg said that the Biden administration was putting pressure on them to make sure they censor stories.
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Jillian Michaels
Yes.
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Ainsley Earhardt
That should not have happened. They were censoring stories and we weren't getting all the information. And therefore schools were being closed. Our my little daughter was in school learning to read, and her teacher had a mask on, so she couldn't even see the words and what the teacher was saying. And it really affected them. Every teacher that I talked to afterwards said, the children are a year behind because of this.
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Jillian Michaels
So I had still behind Ainsley. I'm still dealing with it. I am still getting the kids tutored because until I wanted to leave and go to California, but we'd already lost or I'm sorry, go to Miami, but we'd already lost two years at that point. Cause it was, like, all the way through the school year in 21. So we'd lost, like, 20, 21, and 22. And my son is still being tutored for this. It's wild. And I had to go through the exact same thing with my daughter. And when she went to school in Florida, and she had to go into, literally, like, a special program because she was so behind the kids in Florida who were in school the whole fricking time. It's actually outrageous.
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Ainsley Earhardt
I know. And you lived in California, where they were locked in. Y' all were locked down for two school years, right?
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Jillian Michaels
Yes, two school years. The longest school lockdowns out of the entire country. California was the last to reopen.
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Ainsley Earhardt
I remember that. I remember that. And these poor little kids. Think about this, too, Jillian. By the grace of God, we have jobs so we can hire a tutor. What about the kids that. I mean, proficient proficiency is so down in reading and math across the board, it's gotten worse. And these little kids that come from poor neighborhoods or parents that work three jobs, that can't work with them after school and help them with their homework, you know, it's really taken a toll on our children and education because we didn't ever know the whole story. And then they told us, if you get a vaccine, then you won't get Covid again.
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Jillian Michaels
Oh, my gosh.
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Ainsley Earhardt
That was a lie. People in the administration were getting Covid after they told us and promised us, if we get the vaccine, you won't get Covid.
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Jillian Michaels
That's why I can't watch Maddow, though. This is my. This is exactly why I'm like, I can't. Like, I just know this is a lie. I can't digest it. I am trying, but this is why I can't.
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Ainsley Earhardt
Gillian, do you think that progressives, or maybe not progressives, more moderate liberals have realized that they've been lied to? The conservatives knew it and called it out. But how do you think the Democratic voters. Is that why Donald Trump won? He had more moderates, maybe more older Democrats that voted for him.
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Jillian Michaels
I can speak for myself. And, you know, I've had these conversations with Sean and. And, you know, Sean was allowing me to come on his show when I was still arguably liberal, and he would say, like, good luck with your friends after being interviewed, you know, by me. And I was like, well, good luck with yours after interviewing me. But we would talk in the same way. You. You invited Hillary Clinton on. She didn't show up. You know, and what I found is that people like myself became more and more disenfranchised. You're right, the more moderates, and you saw it with Kennedy, you saw it with Tulsi, you saw it with Elon on, on the top level, the top brass of the Democratic Party, people that were extremely forward facing and powerful, ended up leaving because of the things you're talking about. But the one thing that I want to hold onto, and I had this fight the other day on Piers Morgan and this kid accused me. I was on a panel with Benny Johnson and Lindy Lee and he's like, great, I get it. You know, it's all gonna be this partisan rhetoric. And I called him out and said, I categorically reject that. I have absolutely maintained a more neutral position. I really pride myself in the ability to call out both sides so that people can at least go, okay, she might not be right. She, she might not be accurate here. She might be misinformed. She's not an economist, she's not a geopolitical expert. But I'll give an audience to both sides. I'm asking honest questions. I'll call balls and strikes as I understand them. And I, you know, even when, one more example here, Sean was kind enough to come on and we were going back and forth about illegal immigration and I was talking about a gay makeup artist who was not a gang member that had applied for asylum and got deported to El Salvador into a prison. And he wasn't a criminal. And Sean was like, I don't know that one, but I'm going to give you that, that is, you know, that's not cool. That's not ok. He didn't say it quite like that, as I'm sure you can imagine. But my point is, he'll give you the point. He will go, okay, point to you there, but what about A, B, C, D, all the way to Z? And that's how he'll make his case. On the left, I'm simply not hearing any mea culpas. And I would also ask, why is so much of the media left leaning? You can pretty much count on the fact that every article you're gonna read, whether it's Newsweek or the New York Times or the Washington Post, they're all going to bash Trump or they're going to bash Kennedy and they're not going to portray honest facts. Why is it all leaning left? What is that influence that I, I'm just not getting? What is that?
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Ainsley Earhardt
You know, you're, first of all, Sean loves you and adores you. We both do. You're so kind and so nice, and you've just done so much for us as a family, and you constantly just shower us with so much love. And even if you and Sean disagree on certain issues, he's overall, you know, I mean, always going to love you and respect you. And so that's, I love those dialogues. I like to hear both sides. We watch Bill Maher on the weekends and we'll watch his, his show. And he's so liberal, but he went to the White House. So he's one of the few that's liberal, that is willing to engage with the right. And he said, I supported all these Democrats and not once was I invited to the White House. He was invited by Donald Trump and he seemed to have pleasant conversation with him. And they talked and they told both sides. So if the left would just have engaging conversation with Donald Trump, because he's very transparent. He goes on all of the networks. And I think he's smart to do that because he knows if he gives them exclusive interviews, then his voice will be heard and the exact sound bites and the full interview hopefully will be used on those networks. Because if you watch the other networks, sometimes they'll pick out the worst clip and they'll air it and say, Donald Trump said this and Donald Trump's going to be a dictator. And we know that he said that as a joke when he, you know, I think it was on with Sean when he said, you know, day one, I'm going to be a dictator. And the conservatives and people who like Donald Trump and get Donald Trump understood that. But the left pulls that one sound bite and they play it over and over and over. He's going to be a dictator. Well, that's like the scare tactics that the left uses so that you don't vote for him. But it didn't work. It didn't work this morning, Jillian, when I was preparing for my show, I looked at a map of how the vote broke down. The entire country is red, except for bits of California and bits of New York and a few little dots here and there, but all blue, all northern states or fringe like California. And so it was, it just reminded me of how many people really saw through what the media is doing. They're going to have to change their ways because. And now I think that's why you have all these Democrats that are up in arms and can't decide what message that they have and what message they want. They're so woke and they're so progressive. But that's not what the country wants. The country doesn't want to be that far to the left. They want to be more in the middle. I think we can, we can. We want to have dialogue. I want to hear what your thoughts are. I want to hear what someone else's thoughts are that votes differently than I do, just so I have, you know, a good understanding of it all. And Sean is so confident and so convicted by his beliefs, and he's usually not going to waver. He will agree with you if there's something that he needs to call out. But he really means what he says. But he loves to have these debates. And if you listen to his radio show, he's doing that all the time, debating different people. And the audience enjoys that.
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Jillian Michaels
He is, you know, the. This is something that I wanted to ask you about. I'm a little bit torn on this one, so. Grand juries are reportedly investigating journalists and ex government officials for colluding on leaked intelligence stories under the Biden administration. Some press advocates call it an attack on whistleblowers, but Trump calls it treason. A few examples would be the Afghanistan evacuation leak in 2023. A Washington Post article cited internal an internal Pentagon memoir contradicting Biden's public timeline on the Kabul withdrawal. Ukraine proxy war disclosures, leaks showing the US Special Operations forces were on the ground in Ukraine, which contradicted Biden's public statements. The Dobbs Supreme Court leak, and the list goes on. I'm a bit conflicted on this one simply because I, I would want whistleblowers to come forward, but this is not quite that. This is classified information from what I'm taking away here. So I don't really understand the criticism. And I'm wondering. And the journalists aren't revealing their sources, which I imagine you probably wouldn't. Isn't that like the cool.
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Ainsley Earhardt
Right. Legally, we don't have to.
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Jillian Michaels
Right. So what are, what are your thoughts on the fact that he's going after these people? Because then it's like, oh, my God, he's authoritarian. Authoritarian. What do you think?
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Ainsley Earhardt
I think that. And I did ask Sean about this because I knew you were interested in this topic. And he said, first and foremost, leaked information, especially intelligence information, can put individuals into danger. But he also gave the example of, of Hunter Biden, and he said, here is this guy that went on Good Morning America and he admitted that he didn't have any experience and didn't know much about the oil and gas industry, the energy industry, but yet he was put on the Board of Burisma. And he was probably put on the board because his last name is Biden. And Sean said they were selling access. So all of this is being uncovered. There's so much uncovered that we've learned over the past few months, even since President Trump has been in office. But this was such a big deal and a big story. Here's a crack at it. Who's admitted that? And he's sitting on a board and getting millions of dollars. Who's the big guy? Is it his dad? These are questions that we have. So I think without putting anyone in danger and without releasing classified information, I am curious and I do want to hear from whistleblowers. We wouldn't have known about the Hunter Biden information if it weren't for whistleblowers. And so I do want people who. And you have people. Sometimes these whistleblowers don't want to give their name or they'll give an interview and they black it out and they distort their voices. So I, I'm with you. I'm torn on this too. I do want to hear from whistleblowers. If there's been corruption and if it's, if people are spending our tax dollars the wrong way, if there's anything illegal happening in the government that just needs to be told.
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Jillian Michaels
That is a great distinction. And I think the, the Dobbs decision, yes, it was utilized to enrage people who are more moderate and get them to vote for Biden. And I said, this is, this is a tough issue. This is.
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Ainsley Earhardt
Or to get the Supreme Court. Because remember that was released, that was leaked before the decision was made. Yet our justices to vote a certain way to vote in their favor because they saw if they voted, if they voted with the conservatives, then they were, their lives were at risk. Because we saw people going to the justices houses. They were releasing their addresses and putting their families at risk.
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Jillian Michaels
Oh, I did not know that. Ainsley.
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Ainsley Earhardt
Yes. Wow. They were practiced in front of their houses, the conservative justices. Their, their addresses were, were leaked and mobs of people would go to their house. One guy was arrested because he was, he was. What's the word? Circling the neighborhood and wanted to, to hurt one of the justices because of the way he voted.
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Jillian Michaels
Can I ask you if you experience this in your job where NGOs push a narrative through? Okay, so like I, I'll give you two examples that affect my line of work. The first one would be the Human Rights Campaign or the wpath, an organization that considers themselves the leading authority globally on gender Affirming care. And HRC is an LGBTQ ngo. Now, back in the day it was about marriage equality and now it's about gender affirming care. But the narrative is a lie, which goes back to my concerns watching left wing media. So for example, oh, no, no, no, this doesn't sterilize kids. Oh, no, no, no. They won't lose all sexual function. Oh, in fact, if you don't let your child transition, they'll become, they'll engage in self harm. Whereas studies have shown actually the opposite of that, the regret of transitioners who want to detransition. And I saw it with food. So the narrative was healthy at any size. It's a big food psyop. And we saw them pay off influencers in social media, for example. But These narratives from NGOs are filtering into the news and the legacy media. Do you guys suffer from this? Because Fox is still legacy media. That's, you know, the right side of the legacy media.
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Ainsley Earhardt
I was shocked when Elon, Elon started working on DOGE and explained that they don't know when millions, hundreds of millions, maybe billions of our tax dollars are filtered into these NGOs. We don't know where what they're using the money to pay for, Jillian. They could use it for anything. And he said the majority of these NGOs, the people running them, are Democrats with very progressive agendas and they're very pro abortion, they're very pro immigration, letting anybody over the borders, taking care of anybody with our tax dollars who, who comes across the border, including criminals. And so that really opened my eyes. I thought, surely there are receipts. This is our money. We should be able to see what they're spending the money on. And so Elon has said, you know, we're going to get rid of some of that waste. And these NGOs receive. He did say billions. I have it in my notes. Billions in federal tax dollars and in subsidies. And he said many are engaged in undermining American interests. He called them fake charities and he said they're money laundering schemes. And Elon is pretty fair. You know, if I listen to a Sean and I listened to an interview with him over the weekend and he was talking about last year was the hardest time in his life. And that's when he started reading the Bible and started really unpacking scriptures. Now, I don't understand. I don't know where he stands with his faith, but it was, excuse me, interesting to hear how this guy was so well liked and loved by the left with these ev Cars, everyone praised him, wanted to buy Teslas. And then as soon as he opens up the piggy bank and shows us how we're spending our money or how the past administration spent our money and have for years and decades, then it wasn't until that's when he's hated and you know, we saw what happened at the Tesla plants and how he's lost so much money with his company when he was just trying to save us money. And he seems very fair. But Eric, Senator Eric Schmidt, he's this Republican from Missouri. He's been blasting the Biden administration for creating what he calls a vast censorship enterprise comprised of federal agencies and NGOs. And he said they're working overtime to censor American citizens speech. And then there's an 800 page report, it's titled the Censorship Industrial Complex. How Joe Biden basically was using Big Tech and Social Media to Censor Americans. And it revealed, Gillian, a number of instances of COVID 19 censorship. After significant pressure from Joe Biden's White House. And then we saw Mark Zuckerberg stand up in front of the committee and say that there, that there was pressure. There was an email that said Joe Biden is. Some of the employees at Facebook were saying, why are we doing this? And, and the response was there's pressure from, from Joe Biden's White House to suppress. They were suppressing criticism at any level. And that led to school closings, people not knowing the Hunter Biden story, not having all the information when they had to go to the polls to vote for Joe Biden and not, not being honest about the border, not being honest about Afghanistan. Remember they said that was successful, that was a successful withdrawal. Yes, we had, we had individuals die. How do you think their parents are feeling when they hear that? You know, they just lied to us about everything and they were finally exposed.
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Jillian Michaels
How much of the funding for legacy media is foreign? For example, we've had this whole thing with the Qatari plane and I wonder. I read this article in the Free Press by Bari Weiss and it's this. The article wasn't by Barry Weiss, but her, her organization. And it ends up illustrating the fact that the Qatari government spends more than any foreign government. Across our Ivy League institutions, our media, our politicians, lobbying PR firms, twice as much as China, three times more than Israel. And I thought, is that part of what's impacting our ability to get the truth? Like, is that something you guys deal with? Does anybody give you some sort of a message like you can't cover this story because we're getting money from so and so. I mean, I know you can't really tell me, but, like, wink twice. What are the notations that you're.
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Ainsley Earhardt
We. We don't get. I don't believe. I mean, Fox doesn't directly get money from the Qatari government. If so, I mean, that's not my wheelhouse, but I'm not aware of Middle Eastern countries giving any media outlet money. Now, maybe some of the investments are in some of those countries. I'm not sure. I'm not an expert on that, so I'll just be completely honest. But when it comes to these institutions, definitely they're giving so much money, and we need a list just to see specifically how much Harvard's getting, how much Columbia is getting from all of these governments. But I did read that same study you did about Qatar giving so much Money and Harvard, $600 million from the federal government, your taxpayer dollars from fiscal year 2024. That's a lot of money. Their endowments, $54 billion. And Donald Trump, he has said over the weekend, why don't we not allow first of all students on visas to come to go to this school to go to Harvard. Because he's asking for lists of the students with visas that are here just to go to school. He wants to see what countries they're from, and he wants to see if they, if they have any connections to any terrorist organizations, any connections to Hamas, any. If they're involved in these anti Semitic protests. I think we have the right to know that if, if we're giving them money and we're subsidizing these schools, especially with these big endowments. And then Donald Trump floated the idea of, I'll take your billions away from you and I'll put them in trade schools. Because trade schools don't have these big endowments. And we need more. We need more tradesmen and women out there. We need more welders and more people that are mechanics and doing the heavy lifting for our country because we're losing those individuals.
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Jillian Michaels
You know, when Biden wanted to wipe away student debt, all I could think about was, what about the plumber that didn't go to college? Why is he responsible for paying for your education? And I mean, coming from a generation that did pay for their own college, I dropped out of college in year one. So, you know, it's hard for me to, like, I don't have a dog in this fight. But a lot of my friends, they pay their student loans. Why should they have had to take the hit for 20 years and all of that interest and paying all that stuff off and getting put behind the eight ball. But younger generations won't have that cross to bear. What is that? I think the, you're seeing this fundamental shift where the left is no longer the party of the working class. The right has become the party of the working class and the left has become the party of the elites. And you see that. And I think that's another reason I have such a hard time watching like strictly left wing narratives, because it's this kind of elitist, obnoxious, Jake Tapper character that when those of us are sitting here watching the news saying, no, no, no, no, I think Biden is in cognitive decline. And you, you, you mentioned Lara Trump. You watch him castigate her. When do you think this shift, shift happened? Because the right was always like the rich white guys party. Now it's like the party of the working class with this shifting and redistributing of funds from Harvard to trade schools, for example.
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Ainsley Earhardt
I think it's Donald Trump. I don't think we've ever seen a candidate, not in my lifetime like Donald Trump. He is so powerful. He is a working class guy, but also a billionaire. He relates to everybody. He can go to a construction site and talk to all the guys wearing hard hat hats, cuss like a sailor with him probably, and knows exactly what they're doing. And he can, you know, deliver a great message. I like that. I know a lot of people say, I mean, it's hilarious that the Big Beautiful Bill is called the Big Beautiful Bill. People have just like embraced Donald Trump. They're calling, you know, you think Washington D.C. they're going to use the, you know, vocabulary from Harvard or, you know, that they learned when they were, you know, studying for the sat. But they're calling it the Big Beautiful Bill because of Donald Trump. Donald Trump went to Wharton. He's, he's no dummy. He's very smart. He great in interviews. He built huge companies and is a billionaire and, you know, can afford that massive plane and buildings all over New York that have Trump, Trump's name on the side. He is no dummy. He's, he's very smart. He knows the media, he knows his audience and he knows how to talk to America. So I think, I think it was just, he just turned everything upside down. And I think more Democrats, we saw black men, more black men voting for him. He was going to barbershops, he was serving McDonald's french fries. He eats McDonald's. Like everybody I know, you don't love it, Jillian, but a lot of the working class, they have to stop and get fast food. You know, I just want to give.
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Jillian Michaels
Them the healthier versions of that. I want to try to help them there.
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Ainsley Earhardt
He's lost a lot of weight. Remember in his last physical, they said, I think he had lost like 24 pounds. So he's getting healthier. Okay. But then he was driving the, the trash truck when they called Republicans trash. So he just is relatable. And, you know, when you hear about what's happening at Columbia or you hear about what's happening at Harvard, you're allowed to. Why are you allowed to have an anti Semitic march and disrupt classes and take over buildings? Why is that allowed? What if it were anti gay marches? What if it were anti trans marches? What if it were racist marches? How would they react then? They would put a stop to it immediately. But because it's, it's against Jewish people. Like, you're, you're allowed. I, I can't even wrap my head around this because the Jewish people, I believe are God's chosen people. The man I worship is Jesus Christ, and he was Jewish. And Israel is protected. I read about it in the Bible all the time. I don't understand where all of this hatred comes from. Is it religion? Is it land? Why would you hate an entire body of people over religion or land? I mean, I know this conflict has been going on for thousands of years, but I just don't understand how anyone can march on campus and say such hateful things. There was a student that they were spitting on. One student at Harvard. Harvard released. They had to release this list. Or maybe it was the individuals that were attacked. They released a list of all their complaints against Harvard, and we had it. We were reciting it or listing it on Fox and Friends the other day, and it's horrific. It's horrible how people were treated just because of their religion.
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Jillian Michaels
You know, when I hear people make the case for these students, you know, First Amendment, free speech, where does it stop? I get that. When is it inciting violence? Well, you know, we're. We're allowing you to be here on a student visa, so you're not really entitled to the same freedoms because we wouldn't permit this kind of behavior. And I can see all the nuance in these arguments. I can also understand that people are horrified when, by October 7, of course, and everything that happened with Hamas. And I find them to be disgusting. But I've been challenged. Not on that not being disgusting, but how are you not equally as outraged about babies being crushed under rubble in Gaza. And I've had this conversation with the very intelligent people, whether it's Dave Smith or Anna Kasparian, and I am outraged. But then my, my argument would be if you are upset about that, which is understandable, it seems like you'd be upset with the Israeli government somehow. And I get that people have many differing opinions on Netanyahu. I'm certainly not an expert in, into his career or his background or his cronies. But the way in which it's spilling over, you're right into Jewish people, like most of my Israeli friends, by the way, are also equally horrified by what's happening in Gaza. I don't know, Ainsley. It's quite scary and I think you bring up a bigger point. And something I wanted to ask you about is faith under fire. So coming from the other side of this right, as a former extreme liberal, and I don't mean a progressive, like I have never been for gender affirming care for sex changes for kids, I've never been for late term abortions, but I would, you know, you and I would probably disagree about abortions and I would give it a certain amount of time and I, and I, but by the way, I understand you. I can understand your position sometimes on the left, the position is so crazy, I, I can't even understand it. Like, I've had conversations where it's like, yes, I would allow abortions at any point up until birth, even if the mom and baby are healthy. I'm like, I don't understand you. I don't, can't wrap my head around your position. I can see as a former hardcore liberal that people on that side have felt like, oh, hold on, if you're religious, you're against gay marriage and you're against, you know, my choice. And you're against, you're against, you're against. And they see religion as this, like authoritarian, oppressive, I don't know, like trying to dictate who can marry and who can do this and who can do that. But yet they have been the ones now attacking people of faith, silencing their voices, going after them regularly attacking their religion, attacking them as people like silent, like, are you experiencing that? I know that you're on Fox and you have this platform, but are you seeing that? Are you feeling that?
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Ainsley Earhardt
I do see it in every level on both sides. And I think if you watch the Chosen, it is such a great show. I recommend it for everybody. It is the guy, Jonathan Remy, who plays Jesus, he does a phenomenal job of showing the love, the love that the church should wrap around everybody. Sinners, we're all sinners. There's only one perfect individual that ever walked this earth, and that's Jesus Christ. So however you feel about these hot topic issues, it's just if you watch the chosen, you will see how Jesus, no matter what you did, he didn't focus on that. He focused on loving you, being accepted, following him. And he just taught, he teaches it. We, I mean, Sean and I will watch it. My daughter watches some episodes. Some are a little scary for, but. And I don't let her watch them. But the whole. I just love the Bible because in every scripture it is just about opening the doors to everybody and, and then let, let Christ, let God do the rest and just. He just wants you to accept him. And so I think, like when we talk about. I was reading this morning that Texas is now allowing the ten Commandments to be placed in every classroom. Now back in the classroom. And Sean and I talk about this all the time. That where did we. What went wrong? What went wrong in our government, the 50s and the 60s, our parents, people were just. People were good. Even in high school, people weren't faced with the same pressures and the same stresses that they are now. And reading the Bible, saying prayers, the Pledge of Allegiance, that was all necessary in the 50s and 60s in school and no one batted an eye. It was just accepted. It was normal. And the Supreme Court got involved and changed everything. And now we're seeing violence and suicide and school shootings. We're talking about issues that our little children shouldn't be talking about. I agree with you. When you're 18 and you're an adult, do whatever you want and. But when you're in third grade and your child is struggling with all of this, how do they even know what this is? I have a third grader, my daughter. We haven't talked about gender affirming care. We haven't. But I mean, I know that we haven't had to deal with some of those issues. I do know people that have and their children are asking them questions about maybe wanting to be a different sex. But are they hearing that from the schools? That was never a thing in the 50s and 60s. Why is it so prevalent, especially in New York City? It's almost something that kids are talking about in school. And you're not cool if you, if you don't experiment or if you don't try it, or if you, you know, you aren't talking about it. Constantly. So is there a correlation? Have we gotten away from faith? Have we gotten away from the church so much that our society has changed, our messaging has changed? If we have, it's very scary because I can only speak from my experience. I did a lot of things wrong. I have sinned a lot in my life. Many things I'm not proud of. That's why I need Jesus. That's why I'm so glad my parents raised me in the church. No matter what your religion is, just to have a God that centers you. And for me, it's Jesus Christ. Going to church every Sunday was just a given. I grew up in the South. I mean, my friend Megan was Catholic. My friend Cindy was Methodist. My friend Lindsay was Baptist. I grew up in the Episcopal and the Lutheran churches. Depending on where we lived, when I would spend the night at one of their houses, my dad would either pick me up and take both of us to church with my whole family, or we had to go to church with them. It's just something that families do in the South. And back then, we didn't have soccer games on a Sunday morning. No way would you do that. My dad was the basketball coach at our local Catholic school. He would have basketball practice in the afternoon, and the parents complained about it because Sunday is a day of rest. So dad had to stop doing practice on Sunday. That was the day for God. So we've gotten so far away from that. That would never happen in New York York City. It probably doesn't happen in South Carolina anymore either. You just are expected to be on that field. And kids just. I think what's helped me be grounded, and I did have a very salvation experience when I was 21 years old in college. I was partying all the time, going out, constantly drinking. And then one day I just said, I don't want to do this anymore. I want to be more like her, more like her, more like Sarah, more like Michelle. And I got involved with Fellowship of Christian Athletes, where all the football players and all the athletes would come and speak. We had a praise and worship band. We always had a great guy that would come or woman come and give a little sermon to us. And I was like, this is real. This is who I want to be. I don't want to gossip anymore. I don't want to party every night. I really just want to be a better person and work on myself. And God started blessing me. So I'm not saying God, just, oh, my gosh. I mean, look at. Look at this. I don't deserve to be on Fox News, there's so many individuals that would do a much better job than I would. I think God put me there so that I would talk about my faith, and I've loved it and Fox has allowed me to do that. But that's our audience. So I just, Sean and I just are, you know, worried about we're raising our kids to go to church. And yes, you're going to have struggles, but that is what always makes us come back to doing the right thing. I'm always convicted in my head, what would Jesus say about this? One day I'm going to have to face him in heaven and I want to make him proud. I want to be able to say I ran the race and I did it well, and I want to be able to meet him in heaven. So in my parents influence, I mean, just from character and discipline and how they raised us to do our chores. You know, nobody's perfect at this, but if you, if you know your children, if you're constantly doing this with them and setting an example, then they'll carry that for the rest of their lives and it'll change generations.
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Jillian Michaels
Okay, I want to push back on you because I know the argument about the, the Bible in class or the Ten Commandments, number one, is going to be separation of church and state exists for a reason. Number two, what if I'm a Jewish kid or a Muslim kid in that school? And then the question I would imagine is, how are you presenting it? In other words, are you saying there's no such thing as dinosaurs? Are you saying these are good morality tales? Because these are the arguments that I've arguably been a part of or at least heard consistently throughout my life. And then I see that. Then I see the attack on people of faith instead of just asking these questions.
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Ainsley Earhardt
Yeah, I understand that. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, I, I chose for my daughter to go to a school of faith, and it is a private school because that is important to me. I wanted her to have chapel. I wanted her to hear about Jesus at school. I wanted that combination. I wanted a smaller environment. I live in New York City. The schools in my neighborhood are not great. I wouldn't feel comfortable sending her there. So that was a choice I made as a parent. But I understand what you're saying. It is Texas. You're going to have more conservatives there. Would it make a difference if you have the Ten Commandments on the wall in your classroom if you don't know the Lord at all? Maybe not. But Maybe. So maybe someone reads that and says, you know, I read this on the wall in my classroom constantly, do not murder. Maybe that saves someone from murdering or having an affair one day. I don't know. I do know that the Ten Commandments are clearly very important to me and to my family, so I would love to see them on the wall. But, you know, some schools have Christmas trees and menorahs. Maybe. Maybe you just have different symbols that represent different faiths, and maybe that would be okay. But then where do you draw the line? So.
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Jillian Michaels
But I love saying the morality of it, though. If you didn't phrase it as a religion, couldn't everybody agree, like, don't lie, don't kill people, don't be a bad person. Which, you know, as people have educated me about religion and their faith and the ways in which it impacts their life every single day and gives them purpose and gives them guidance and saved them at difficult times. Whether it was an interview with Michael Franzese when he was in solitary facing the rest of his life in jail and he found God, or you talking to a me about being 21 in college and having this quite literal come to Jesus, I. I'm inspired and I'm extremely curious. But then where you would lose me is I'd be like, well, Ainsley, I could, you know, not that it. Not that this matters. I'm just saying for the difference. The war on faith, I think, is where people have a difficult time reconciling different religions. But the morality piece is irrefutable. And the lessons when people quote scriptures to me now I'm a little bit confused about the Old Testament versus the New Testament. But when people quote scriptures to me, I'm like, oh, that's a brilliant piece of philosophy. Where you would lose me is the science part. I would say, like, I don't know. I'm not with you there. And we could debate it in an amicable way. Agree to disagree if in fact we disagree. But the fact that people can't talk about these things is what's really upsetting and alarming to me. And that's one of the reasons that I am so grateful people like yourself are willing to engage in these conversations with me. Does it bother you when somebody is not like, I don't know anything about religion, Jesus? I'm like, honestly, Ainsley, know nothing. But I respect that, you know, how important he is in your life. Does it bother you that I don't get it? Are you. Does it. Is it offensive?
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Ainsley Earhardt
It doesn't. It bothers me Only if I can be honest for your soul. I love you so much. I want you to have that void in your heart full and filled like he did my heart. And obviously you've been so blessed and God has his hand on your life and we all see that whether or not you do or not. But I also, I also have it because I grew up in it. And then it just clicked. All of those Sundays of going to church with my family. Then it just clicked for me and many of my friends who made fun of me, who didn't want to be my friend anymore after that. I did lose a lot of friends. I mean, who wants to go out with this Bible beating girl now? And they don't want to go partying with me anymore because I'm going to be like their designated driver and talk about Jesus the whole time. So I get it. I love them. I prayed for them for years and years, my sorority sisters. And so when someone tells me they don't understand it or they don't know it and I have people at work, I just love on them. And I want to. I want them to see Christ in me. I'm not perfect all the time. I have bad days, but I just want them. I want Christ to, to just come out of my pores. I want them to see what he's done in my life. So when I hear someone doesn't have faith, I just want to show them even more how good it can be. And I get the science part. That's not really how my mind works. I just have faith. And having blind faith is faith in something that you can't see or you can't prove. You just know it's there. Actually, I would say I can prove it because I've. I've seen how God has worked in my life. And in my darkest days, God was. God was there. I prayed and prayed and he. I felt the presence of the Lord around my bed as I was listening to the song called Rescue. And if anyone out there is going through a hard time, Lauren Daigle has a beautiful song called Rescue. It's just I was pleading to God and at some points in my life, I've just wanted Jesus to come back and take me home. Not that I was interested in suicide. I just wanted him to come back because I was hurting so much and I wanted no. No tears, no pain, no suffering, just an easy life. I wanted to be around music all the time and Jesus and happiness and joy and my grandparents and my mom again. And so without any pain. But that's not what life is about. And it's through those sufferings that, that I've gotten closer and closer to God because I see him pull me out of the muck and out of that pit and redeem me again and put me back on the mountain. So. But we do have conversations. There's some of my co workers that I'm very close with, that that grew up in the church, but don't necessarily believe that God is in everything and that God. I've heard people say I don't like to pray extensively because God doesn't want to hear my prayers. And I just have small prayers right now, like in the big things. I'll save my time with God and my conversations with God for the big things. But I've been, it's been explained to me, imagine if your child and you're a mother to two. What if either one of them was going through a hard time, even if it was small, and they didn't have conversations with you about it and they just saved those conversations for the big moments, for who they're going to marry for this or that, the major decisions in their life or when they're going to have a baby. If you, if you just talk to your kids, then it wouldn't be much of a relationship. So my advice is always go to God. If you have questions about science, Jillian, ask him to explain it to you. Ask him to bring people into your life that. That can talk to you. CS Lewis didn't believe in him at all and then wrote all of these books and came to know Christ because of just that journey of digging deep and doing a deep dive into faith.
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Jillian Michaels
You know, it's interesting, when I listen to you talk, I wouldn't wrap religion around the belief system, but I have felt those feelings and I have wanted that connection. And I have. I do believe in something bigger than myself and feel like when I'm on the right path, there's a flow, there's a serendipity. I just don't have a label for it because I didn't grow up with a religion. But I, you know, in listening to you, it makes perfect sense to me. And I think so many of us have so much more in common than we think. We just slap a different name on it. I'm spiritual, I'm Christian, I'm Jewish, I'm whatever. But if you, if you believe in something thing I think, and you believe in being a good person, then you have a heck of a lot more in common than you have a part that is different and I am so grateful to you for coming on and for spending the time to explore all of this with me today. Explain so much of this to me and Ainsley. Where can everybody find you?
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Ainsley Earhardt
So I anchor the morning show on Fox News Channel called Fox and Friends. We are on from 6 to 9 Eastern Time, Monday through Friday.
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Jillian Michaels
Thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please like comment, subscribe and share and make sure to let me know what guests you want to see on in the future.