CHARLIE SHEEN Interview

Summary

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KFC Radio – Charlie Sheen Interview (Oct 21, 2025)

Podcast: KFC Radio
Hosts: Kevin "KFC" Clancy & John Feitelberg (with guest Charlie Sheen)
Episode Theme: A candid, funny, and deeply honest conversation with Charlie Sheen—discussing his extraordinary life, career, struggles, and his new book and documentary.

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth interview with Charlie Sheen, one of Hollywood’s most infamous and fascinating personalities. The hosts, KFC and Feitelberg, take listeners through Sheen's wild journey: from early stardom to the heights (and lows) of fame, his public meltdowns, legendary tales of excess, and his path to a new chapter. The show stands out for its warmth, humor, and honest connection, offering a side of Sheen rarely seen in mainstream interviews.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Behind the Scenes: Getting Charlie on the Show

• Tim Montana Connection: The interview happened thanks to musician Tim Montana, a mutual friend and Barstool fan. Sheen wanted to reach out and thank KFC for defending him on social media after controversial stories about his past surfaced.

  “He says, hey, man, there's this dude who has been like, rushing to your defense, man. … He's atop his podcast mountain, screaming to the heavens to just pay attention to the truth.”
  —Charlie Sheen (66:37)

• Genuine Connection: The mutual respect between host and guest is clear, with both expressing gratitude for authentic interactions in an industry often lacking them.

  "This is truly ... one of the nicest and most genuine conversations I've ever had in the business."
  —KFC (69:09)

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2. Career Arc: From Platoon to "Tiger Blood" & Beyond

• Early Career and Breakouts: Sheen recounts his early acting days, including Platoon (“BP vs. AP: before Platoon, after Platoon”), Ferris Bueller, and working alongside Hollywood’s elite as a young man.

  “Platoon was like the first. I mean, Bueller was a little bit of a taste. That was like the universe saying, get ready, kid. This is, you know … it's gonna be a Whopper."
  —Charlie Sheen (85:37)

• Two and a Half Men Era: Discussion of signing for $2 million an episode, and how the sitcom world compared to his film background. Sheen acknowledges that despite the lure of another major sitcom, his passion now leans more toward dramatic work:

  “It might have shown up like a year too late, because what all this has reignited is an interest in dramatic work.”
  —Charlie Sheen (91:25)

• Cultural Impact: The hosts credit Sheen for inadvertently helping Barstool via the "winning" T-shirts, reflecting on his viral interview as perhaps the internet’s first truly viral "story" persona.

  “I really think that interview was probably the first true viral story.”
  —KFC (82:23)

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3. The Art of Survival: Public Perception, Truth, & Redemption

• Owning His Past: Sheen is open about his mistakes, wild stories, and darkest moments—emphasizing that honesty has been his way forward.

  “After the book and the doc, I am unextortable.”
  —Charlie Sheen (89:24)

• On Being a “Concept”: Discussion of feeling like an event or idea rather than a person, especially during the tabloid years.

  “A concept or an idea or… a personality.”
  —Charlie Sheen (98:10)

• Honesty in Storytelling: Sheen’s memoir is singled out for its vivid writing and refusal to tear others down.

  “You told your story, you explained, you didn't have excuses ... and then despite all of this, I don't think there's one person you tore down in any way.”
  —KFC (131:42)

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4. Personal Insights: Family, Recovery, & Legacy

• Baseball Obsession: Sheen’s deep love for baseball is a recurring theme, symbolizing his “normal guy” side amidst an otherwise wild life.

  “There's no room in that conversation for anything about fame or excess or dope or women ... it is just that.”
  —Charlie Sheen (72:16)

• On Failure & Fear: Reflecting on career wins and losses, Sheen credits his willingness to risk failure and disregard fear.

  “I don't have... I don't know what the secret sauce is. I think it's just maybe not being [paralyzed] by the fear of failure…”
  —Charlie Sheen (95:26)

• Addictions & Recovery: Sheen says booze was the hardest “dragon to slay,” above even drugs or sex.

  Q (128:19): “Which one would you say has—was your most difficult dragon to slay?”
  Charlie: “Booze.”

• Family & Relationships: Honest recollections about periods of estrangement from his father, and complex but loving relations with ex-wives and daughters.

  “I think having been through what I've been through and then getting on the other side… whatever comes out of that is deserved. Well, because it's earned. … I spent my 50s apologizing. Time to live now.”
  —Charlie Sheen (101:34)

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5. Notable Stories & Moments

• The Urban Legend of Buying Out Wrigley Field’s Right Field: An unconfirmed but hilarious tale of Sheen and friends buying all right field seats to catch a home run ball—and never getting one (06:20–07:10).
• "47,000 Women" & the Power of Exaggeration: Sheen clarifies once and for all that the viral claim about his conquests started as a joke on someone else’s podcast. His willingness to confront and clarify viral legends is a recurring sub-theme.
• Raffle-Won Drug Dealer: Sheen’s book is full of surreal, darkly comic details—such as the line, "I won him in a raffle" about acquiring a drug dealer (104:54).
• Million Dollar Checks: Sheen recounts stories of writing, and inadvertently having cashed, million-dollar checks as jokes or gestures, including to ex-wife Denise Richards (124:05).

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Notable Quotes

• On Honesty and Outlasting Scandal:

  “After the book and the doc, I am unextortable. ... Get it.”
  —Charlie Sheen (89:24)

• On Baseball and Being ‘Normal’:

  “There's no room in that conversation for anything about fame or excess or dope or women…”
  —Charlie Sheen (72:16)

• On Gratitude for the Interview:

  “It's really cool when you walk in and sit down and from the jump you feel like you're in... really good hands but with people that are fueled by passion… you can't manufacture that.”
  —Charlie Sheen (80:13)

• On His Book’s Style:

  “There’s always an easier kind of lazier way to describe something ... and I just wouldn't settle ... I just wanted it to be unique because the experiences were really unique.”
  —Charlie Sheen (77:06)

• On Failure, Success, and Taking Risks:

  “I think it's just maybe not being [paralyzed] by the fear of failure…”
  —Charlie Sheen (95:26)

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Segment Timestamps

• 01:15 – Introduction: Why Charlie Sheen is the biggest guest ever
• 04:00 – Charlie’s character and how the interview came together (Tim Montana’s role)
• 06:20 – Baseball legend: Buying all right-field seats at Wrigley
• 64:02 – Beginning of Charlie Sheen interview proper
• 65:36 – Sheen discusses book & documentary promotion
• 69:09 – KFC on connecting with Sheen for the interview
• 71:04 – Sheen’s baseball fandom (“Dad’s from Dayton, I’m a Reds guy”)
• 75:31 – On writing the memoir and creative process
• 82:23 – “Winning” and the era of viral stardom
• 85:37 – Platoon vs. Two and a Half Men: comparing fame and impact
• 87:12 – Being “in on the joke” in an era before social media
• 89:24 – Post-doc: “I am unextortable”
• 94:42 – Self-perception, fear of failure
• 98:09 – The person vs. the personality
• 101:34 – Family, John Cryer on ‘deserving’ and Sheen’s comeback
• 104:54 – Dark comic moments: drug dealers “won in a raffle”
• 110:08 – Question of self-sabotage, fate, and psychology
• 115:07 – The “Charlie Sheen” name story & Carlos Estevez
• 117:46 – Reluctance to revisit old films; pride in Major League
• 124:05 – Million dollar check to Denise Richards
• 128:19 – Booze as the toughest addiction
• 133:01 – Joking: “Charlie Sheen Show, Episode One: Heidi Fleiss”
• 134:18 – The Navy SEALs effect of his film career
• 137:14 – On kindness, gratitude, and the impact of simple gestures

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Memorable Moments

• The surprisingly heartfelt way Sheen reached out to KFC simply to say thanks for defending him online. (66:37–69:09)
• Sheen’s self-effacing humor about his own legends and urban myths: “I want him in a raffle!” (104:54)
• The honesty about self-sabotage and whether he ever truly believed he deserved his success. (109:55–110:20)
• Sheen’s philosophical take on risking vulnerability and sharing your story publicly: “Hitting send—the biggest whoosh possible to the universe.” (96:49)
• An open admission that money, fame, and even sitcom glory may not feed him as much as creative challenge does now. (91:25)

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is lively, irreverent, and moving, full of laughs but equally rich with introspective, sometimes raw, moments. KFC and Feitelberg’s rapport with Sheen stands out as uniquely respectful and honest. The conversation never feels like a “salvage” or PR interview—instead, it’s an exchange between people who genuinely enjoy each other’s company and stories.

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Recommended For:
Anyone interested in pop culture, fame’s double-edged sword, addiction and recovery, or just a damn good storyteller telling jaw-dropping Hollywood tales with brutal honesty and plenty of humor.

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Charlie Sheen’s book and documentary are available now. The episode demonstrates why, at his core, Sheen is not just an infamous celebrity but a compelling, multidimensional human being—and maybe, as KFC says, one of the most “normal” guys you could ever sit down for a ballgame with.

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Transcript

[KFC]

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[Charlie Sheen]

That wasn't even in the drama department. I didn't even know where that building was.

[KFC]

All right, it's another edition of KFC Radio on the barstool sports network. Big one today for you, Charlie Sheen. Carlos Estevez on the podcast, I would think. I think this is our biggest star ever.

[John]

He's great. Like, of all, like, out of everyone we've done, you know, obviously he's not the star he was.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

When he was Two and a Half Men, when he's in platoon and all that stuff. So, like, I guess you have to factor that in. But who had the greatest star power at their peak? Gotta be.

[KFC]

Gotta be Charlie. And I'm, I'm. I would almost say that what he's doing right now is like. I mean, I guess you can't say he's back to that level, but he's. It's not like we got some guy. Oh, you used to be a big. And now you're like, quiet.

[John]

No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. But he's just not like tonight anymore.

[KFC]

Right, right, right. But I think we're about to see, you know, a resurgence, and I hope so. Yeah, I think he's, you know, he's Charlie's back. And, and for our purposes, like, we love movies and entertainment, tv, Internet, virality. Like, got his demons. Truth tells his truth. Like, I. I don't know. I don't think I could think of a guy more up our alley.

[John]

Oh, bigger. For. For our. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[KFC]

Well, I was also just Trying to think. Like, I usually tell people, Chris Hemsworth is our. The biggest star we got. I think Chuck beats him in terms of, like, story.

[Ad Reader]

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[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

Well, definitely not.

[KFC]

I love you, Chris, but, like, you.

[John]

Know, we're just, like, so hot.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John]

We can talk if you want, but if you want to move this to the bedroom, that's fine, too.

[KFC]

Right? I mean, Wahlberg. Wahlberg was. I. Wahlberg and Hemsworth are kind of, like. I just think of, like, he's Thor.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

And so I think if you put, like, Charlie Sheen and Chris Hemsworth next to each other right now, there's probably a whole bunch of people who are younger who are from, like, the Marvel universe, but, like, in terms of spanning ages and demos and talent and history and story, all that, he's. At the very least, I'll say this, the most compelling guest we've ever had by a. You can argue Q scores and. And all that, but as far as compelling, like, storyteller guy, number one with.

[John]

A bullet and just as great a dude as you could have just hanging around.

[KFC]

No, but really.

[John]

Right.

[Ad Reader]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Like, so.

[John]

So gracious. Taking pictures with everyone. And, like. Like, I'll say this. I had to duck out of the interview with, like, five minutes left because I had to get to my sister's rehearsal dinner. And then I. I assumed because we'd already run a half hour late.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

With Charlie.

[KFC]

Yep.

[John]

That I was like, well, there's no way he's gonna be taking pictures, because I knew a bunch of people had wanted pictures with him.

[KFC]

Yep.

[John]

And then, like, still. Still six hours later, I get home, I'm looking at my phone. I'm like, oh, they all. He still took all those pictures.

[KFC]

You know, what they got.

[John]

Staying with long. Too long. Which, again, he did that out of, you know, out of the kindness to us. Stay with us for a half hour too long, and then took pictures with everyone.

[KFC]

They were so mad. His publicist.

[Charlie Sheen]

They were very cool.

[KFC]

They were not, like, rude in any way, but they were like, we gotta go. And then this is. This is. This is where I know, like, Charlie's a really good dude. Tim Montana is the guy who connected us.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[KFC]

He's a country singer. He's a fan of barstool, worked with Charlie, and that was our middleman. That's how this all came about. You'll hear it in the podcast. Charlie explains it all. But Tim flew in, like, for this to see Charlie and to come here, and he was sitting off camera for a long Time. And then he was like, can we. Can we bring Tim on? And I was like, we can do whatever you want, but they're telling me you gotta go.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

And he was like, we got five minutes for my man who, like, flew all the way in here. And he came on and we just did a quick, like, five minutes about, like, their history and stuff.

[John]

But another great dude, Tim Montana, texted me over the weekend saying he had a fun time and he going to send me some.

[KFC]

Some.

[John]

Some goodies he's got from out in Montana.

[KFC]

Just a. He's an awesome dude. Just a great. The Beat Off Cabin. The Beat Off Cabin is one of.

[John]

The funniest things I've heard.

[KFC]

Well, we'll do. We'll have to have a Tim Montana.

[John]

Episode, but the funny. We're going to have a tip. Montana.

[KFC]

No, no, for real.

[John]

He's.

[KFC]

He might be the second most compelling.

[John]

Guy we've ever talked to all weekend. I was at a wedding and obviously I was talking a lot about. I was like, telling people as a guy, Charlie Sheen the other day. And then what would always come up after that is I'd like. And you got to hear about his boy, Tim Montana.

[KFC]

I was like, living with no Internet or electricity.

[John]

Duke Montana for. Didn't know what. Yeah, no electricity for 18 years.

[KFC]

I. And. But the fact that he politely but very sternly was like, we have five more minutes. Don't worry, I'm bringing my man on, you know, And. And he's just like a. It's a very strange. And I won't say too much here because we do speak about this in the interview, but one of the weirdest dichotomies and. And dynamics I've ever seen is someone who is undoubtedly the most not normal person ever. Like, you could make the argument, like, number one, most unique, don't. No one can relate to him type story. Like, yeah, sure, there's other celebrities who partied, but, like, no one did it at his level. All that. But simultaneously a very normal guy. And it made me realize that, like, normal is like a thing. And you can be cool but not normal.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

You know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it was just like, there are guys who you meet and you're just like, that guy's really cool and nice, but, like, would be a little weird to just like, sit on the couch with him, watch a ball game with him, whatever, you know? Yeah. Charlie's like the total opposite. Like, I could put on a Cincinnati Reds game with that guy and watch and just chat it up.

[John]

You know, speaking of baseball, because we start the Charlie interview with, we're talking some baseball. I didn't know this. I was again, talking about him at the wedding, and someone, I think it was my dad told me that, like, during maybe it was the 80s or 90s, him and one of his boys bought all the right field seats at Wrigley.

[Charlie Sheen]

Huh.

[John]

Just to catch home run balls all.

[KFC]

Day at a game.

[John]

Like, at a game. And no one hit a home run that day. So it was just like Charlie and his boys sitting in.

[KFC]

Right.

[John]

I. Everything I heard, like, through my dad. So I haven't googled any of this, but it was something along the lines of that. That I was like, oh, man, we were talking baseball. I would have talked about that with him.

[KFC]

I don't even want to Google that in case it's like an urban legend. I want to believe that's true.

[John]

What a. What a hack.

[KFC]

Just like, just buy like 800.

[John]

Buy all right field. We'll definitely get home run ball then.

[Ad Reader]

Would he do it to sell the home run ball or just to, like, have it?

[KFC]

I don't think Charlie, he's a baseball guy. We talk about that as well. Like, you got to be a different. You got to be a normal. A different type of guy to. To watch baseball, like the way, you know, die hard fans do. And I. I'm sure there's going to be about 50, 000 things that people say to me, how did you not talk about this? Or how did you not bring up that? It's like, dude, I wanted to try to do all of it.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

We had. We had what, an hour? That turned into an hour and a half, and I probably needed nine more in order to tackle everything. The only thing I will say for sure that I missed is I was going to have Jacqueline come in halfway through the interview with a cup of ice. Have you watched the documentary at all? There was a. There's a scene where he explains that one time he was partying while he was working, and he was either so up or so hungover or whatever that the director was like, cut, Charlie, you're literally falling asleep on camera. And he was like, all right, let's take a five minute break. I just need a cup of ice. And I was like, I'm thinking, oh, he's about to do like, you know, put. Poured in the sink and put your face in the ice. Whatever. Took an ice cube, popped it right up his ass.

[John]

Just to give him like a. Whoop I'm awake now. All right, let's go.

[KFC]

And so I wanted, I wanted you to come in. Charlie, you look a little, look a little tired right now. Here's the cup of ice for you. That was the only thing that I really regret not, not hitting on every, There's a, there's a bunch of the topics, movies, everything's stories that I, we could have done another hour on easily, but, you know, there's only so many things. And I also don't like to wedge in. I'd rather let the conversation go and be like, I want more than one more thing, folks.

[John]

It's the foreplay.

[Charlie Sheen]

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[KFC]

But yeah, I, I, I think he's, he's one of the most compelling people I've ever been able to talk to. And truly, and I'm not just saying this because people say this all the time about guests, especially big guests, but you'll hear when this, the way that me and Charlie connected and the, the, the amount of talking I've done with him, actually, I mean, this, like the most genuine and nice interaction I've had in this business. Had most guests come and go. It's a transaction. You got your, your promotion, we got views. Then there's some guests where it's like, wow, that guy was great. Then I have, like, friends, but I really don't think I've ever had anybody reach out the way he reached out and was like, thank you and I'd love to do this and let me come to you. And then was gracious during the interview and afterwards. And like, you know, we say this about Kevin Hart all the time. He makes us feel special. And it's like, I think Kevin Hart's a great dude, but I also think he knows how to make people feel special. And maybe for all I know, Charlie is just the best at that, but there it felt There felt like there was some genuine, you know, there, you know, and for someone that big who's like, you know, that guy could easily be like, I'm Charlie Sheen, and you're not. He was. He's. He was a really, really good dude.

[Ad Reader]

Do you get the idea that he was always like that or because, like, what he went through?

[Charlie Sheen]

He was.

[KFC]

He's got probably a little bit of both. But it does seem in reading the book and the doc, it seems like he always, like, treated people right. You know, think he had his issues with drugs and women and marriage and work and all that. But, like, at least from the stories that are out there, it, you know, I don't think there's many people who are like, charlie Sheen is like, was a bad guy up and. Yeah, yeah. You know, and listen, there are some other rumors out there that I'm like.

[Charlie Sheen]

I, I don't know.

[KFC]

But, like, for the most part, it, It. It seems like you partied too much and you were, like, irresponsible at your lowest and all that. But it. It's not like, oh, my God, that. That guy's the biggest prick who, like, treats little people the wrong way.

[John]

Yeah, right.

[KFC]

But, yeah, so Charlie. Charlie's on the show. Great interview. I, I will say, great timing, great time. It did feel good to, like, directly after being called out by a coworker.

[John]

Like, what do these guys even do here?

[KFC]

It's like, ah, you go, do you. I gotta go interview Charlie Sheen. That. That felt pretty good. But, yeah, Pat Bev. Pat Bev said we're trash and we don't deserve to be on the. The list, and we don't go viral, we don't give views or, and we're only big in our little world or whatever the. You said.

[John]

I, I, I saw this, and, And I kind of bummed me out, because I totally bummed me out. I, like, I don't, like, I don't mean to say I like Pat Bev.

[KFC]

Good dude.

[John]

Pat Bev's a. A fun coworker to have, like, despite the fact that it's obviously the worst contract in barstool history. And clearly he's gotten that message, and that's why he has to be here a lot more often now. I like him. I don't, I don't know, having a hard time pulling this up. But it doesn't bother me that everyone he's ever worked with says he's a nightmare and doesn't even understand the basic idea of what this job is and that they think that Working with him is clearly a waste of their time and energy. Like, that doesn't affect me, so I don't care.

[Ad Reader]

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[John]

Yeah, I think. I think he's got a bubbly energy to him. Like, I. I genuinely like when he's in the office. I don't know. I think. I think you can find me on this show in this couch saying, I love Pat Bev. I. I like the Pat Bev pod clips where, like, Rowan says something interesting and insightful, and then Pat Bev goes, heyu. Like, I think those are good clips. I think I've said. I'm like, you can find me sitting on this couch going, those are good clips. I'm sure other people would say it's the job of a soundboard, but I think Pat has good energy to him. I don't know why Jackie's laughing so much. The only thing I'm saying that I want to resonate with people is that I like Pattern Guy. I. I genuinely have fun when Pat's around, and I hope his new show does well because I think all tides. Was it all rising tides raise all ships.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

Probably not a sign that the NBA season starts today and that show still hasn't been announced.

[KFC]

Right.

[John]

Probably a good sign that everything's going swimmingly with Bat Bev, as it always is.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[John]

If I had to guess, that would be the reason things haven't come to light yet. But I'm. I'm rooting for him.

[Charlie Sheen]

I hope.

[John]

Great guy. I hope the show does well because, you know, we. It's probably his last shot in the media world.

[Ad Reader]

Right.

[John]

You know, I don't think the ESPNs are like, you know, who sucks shit at barstool for three years and stole money from Dave Fortnight. Let's hire him. Right? Probably this is his last chance. Otherwise, because Michael Porter Jr. Is in the rear view just fucking coming up. So I hope that this show does well, Pat. I hope that it is not like every other stop for your last half decade where everyone forgets you even came, you know, where the ownership group is disappointed and the fan base is left unfulfilled and you achieved and accomplished nothing. I hope that doesn't happen on this show because I like Pat Bev. I hope he's in the office more often. I hope he does sketches. I hope he work like I want to work with Bad Bev. I like him. So I don't know. That's all I got to say about the matter.

[KFC]

Not much to say.

[John]

You Know, we just wanted to touch upon it quickly.

[KFC]

Just, yeah, I mean, ditto. I, I echo John's sentiments.

[John]

He's the man, though. He's the man. I like him a lot. Everything I said is true, but like I, I really like him. But I could have said like there are yellow cabs outside. That's how factual everything I just said. But I, I, I really like him. I hope, I honestly, I hope he's in the. I hear he's gonna be on the office more. I hope he is. I'd hope he does some out of order sketches. I hope, I hope we have fun. I like Pat Bevis.

[KFC]

You should just do an out of order sketch where he just throws balls at old women's faces.

[John]

We should give for a quick came like, even that clip, Even that. I think that's a funny ass clip. He's like, let me get that ball back, let me get that ball back. Do it again. Again.

[KFC]

Two times. He, he also, I guess you almost got to give him a little bit of credit for awakening the, the monster inside of Francis. Francis is, Francis is a great talent all around. And then when you tap into his psychosis, he goes up a level. You know, he, he's in war mode right now. And, and Francis, when he's angry is, is like actually scary, like straight out of a horror movie. I told him he needs to take his, his war mode that he, that was started by Pat Bev and apply it to the, the John Gruden driver. Did you see that clip? No. Took an Uber to the airport and the guy drove on the shoulder the entire. And of course Gruden's like, this guy's, this guy's crazy. He's getting me in there in time, though. He's amazing.

[John]

You know, doing the whole group. We had, back when I lived in Boston, we had a, it wasn't an Uber driver. He was like, like Uber wasn't even really hot yet. Like, it was, it was probably like 2012, something like that.

[KFC]

Right?

[John]

I don't think Uber really got going after that.

[KFC]

That's early.

[John]

Yeah, but we, it was, it wasn't an Uber, but it was some, some driver who we'd linked up with, who we would call on Sundays to bring us from Boston to Gillette because the traffic would get so bad. And we knew he didn't give. We wouldn't call this specific guy because he's just gonna ride the shoulder. There it is. Look at this.

[KFC]

I mean, he's just, I thought it was a lane. I thought it was just A lane.

[John]

Is this in Chicago?

[KFC]

Yeah, bro.

[John]

Gruden, get me this guy's number, because. Eat it. The. The track, the. The drive from o' Hare to, like, downtown Chicago is a nightmare. But every time you're like, well, that shoulder's looking mighty open.

[KFC]

How about the time that we almost died when we had the drunk driver?

[John]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[KFC]

We. We got into an Uber, and within two minutes, me and Fights both accepted that our driver was drunk and it's just his hand.

[John]

But we were late.

[KFC]

We were like, we're going to die.

[John]

Or we're going to be late.

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[KFC]

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[John]

It was la. I've had it in Jersey. I've had it in Austin.

[KFC]

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[John]

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[KFC]

All right, before we get into things with Charlie, just wanted to talk a little TV first. I threw out the recommendation of Last Frontier last week. Did you get a chance to watch it?

[John]

Yes.

[KFC]

It's a good one. Rocks? Yeah, rocks.

[John]

It's insane. I mean, it's insane.

[KFC]

The very first scene, you. You. You kind of know what you're getting. Like I said, it's like a bane. Like escape from a plane.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

Oh, I forgot. You even you gave me that. Yeah, you're 100.

[KFC]

As soon as you're floating through a plane controlled, like, fighting people, you know what it is? You know, but that's actually. It's like that. That costs probably a lot of money and it's hard to do. So it's like, this is stupid, but it's a TV show going all in. That's kind of exactly what that show is. And Jason Clark is. He's on a heater right now. He's got that. And the Murdoch family murders. Murder in the family. The Murdoch murders, yeah. If you don't know that story, it's a true crime. True story that they have now made into a series. He's the star. Patricia Arquette is his wife. And it's.

[John]

The story's off.

[KFC]

It's a very high profile, legal family law family down in the Carolinas who like, run the. The state because they're so powerful and they have kids and drug addicts and missing kids and, and, and deaths and. And they're covering it all up and it's all corrupt.

[John]

And.

[KFC]

And they do a great job. So it's like as I'm watching the. The show, I was like, reminder, this is real.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know what I mean?

[KFC]

Like, it's like the silliness of the last frontier, but like, it happened.

[John]

In fact, there's the. So three episodes are out. I've seen all three. The. The kid Pawpaw. You're like, how old is this person supposed to be, bro? Because they treat him like such a child, but they also treat him like such an adult.

[KFC]

I think that kid's a great actor.

[John]

Yeah, he's. Oh, he's unbelievable.

[KFC]

I don't know who that is, but.

[John]

I was like, this kid's gonna have a career from I think episode one when he's by the barn fire, bonfire.

[KFC]

Staring into the fire. That was the first time I went, oh, yeah, yeah.

[John]

Like, oh, he's doing something.

[KFC]

And he's like, I mean, you can't be typecast because it's not that big of a role. But like, if I ever meet that guy, I'm like, you're that guy?

[John]

Yeah, yeah.

[KFC]

He is playing this, this internal turmoil, demons, you know, controlling me type guy. And it's like, I can't even tell.

[John]

What'S wrong with him. Like, is he a drunk? Is he. Obviously he's a drunk, but, like, does he also have mental illness? Does he also, like, have a brain injury? Yeah, there's one point. One of the cops is like, I think your son has a brain Injury.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[John]

He's acting like such a maniac.

[KFC]

I don't know. He's punching himself, let people punch him just so he's really good actor. Jason Clark kills it. So he's on two here. So frontier.

[John]

I, I, I, I'm happy I did it. I told Jason Clark to his face, I think you're one of my favorite actors of all time.

[KFC]

Wait, what was that?

[John]

When we interviewed him. We interviewed Jason Clark. He was promoting. I forget what he was promoting, but we interviewed him because we, I remember we were talking about. We talked about brotherhood.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

And he was talking about how that was his first, his first role that he got from Australia and Jason Clark.

[KFC]

Casey, Radio. I just want to, like, see it. So see if it.

[John]

And he was saying that if he, if he had had the kind of money he has now when he got that role, he would have bought a house in the town my parents live in.

[KFC]

Right.

[John]

And never moved out. He's like, I wouldn't have been an actor. He's like, I would have bought a house in that town because it reminded him of where. Australia. Where he lived in Australia. No way. And he's like, I would have bought a house in that town. And I went, Fall River. No, no. Where my parents live now.

[KFC]

Oh.

[John]

But, but still. Yeah.

[KFC]

Because.

[John]

Because the Brotherhood, that show is shot in Providence, so it's, it's all. He was all right there, bro.

[KFC]

I, I, I don't mean this in, like, a disrespectful way. I just don't remember this at all. I mean, it's, it's a, A testament to. We did a lot of interviews.

[Charlie Sheen]

A lot of good people.

[KFC]

Like, I don't remember one of my favorite actors.

[John]

That's crazy. No, he's a fight. He was, he was such a great. He was such a cool dude. And like, beforehand, I was nervous because I love Jason Clark. And it's one of the first things I say when I sit down. I'm like, dude, I think you're one of my favorite actors of all time.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

And then I think he asks why? And I say, like, White House down. I forget how you know what your piece of shit. Hey, guys. He's got a great death in White House Down. But it's, I certainly brought up White House down when discussing my favorites of his.

[Ad Reader]

That's all that I know him from.

[KFC]

That's. Look at us with our beards, man. And he looks like a, Like a Brooklyn barista or something, right? Yeah. So a lot of, A lot of good TV out There right now, I'm doing. Doing a lot of scary movies for the. For the Halloween watch. The new conjuring. That was fire. That was scary.

[John]

The conjuring.

[KFC]

The new con.

[John]

I.

[KFC]

It's creepy.

[John]

I've been trying to. And I do this every year. Like, literally every Halloween. I'm like, I'm gonna be a spooky season guy. Like, I want to get into Spookdown or whatever the you call it, and that sounds racist. You guys are looking at the mail. Oh, my God. Well, I'm the mayor of Spooktown.

[KFC]

Sounds like what the Murdochs would say.

[John]

What's the bow thing all about?

[KFC]

I think that's just what they call, like, bud boy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[John]

You know, But I've never Do it a lot. I know people from South Carolina. I've never heard the bow. It must be like a. Yeah.

[KFC]

If you're. If you're watching the Murdoch family, things they say, like, what's up, Bo?

[John]

Come over here, everybody.

[KFC]

Strangers, family.

[John]

I can't get a read on the two who said of it. I'm like. I'm like, you using it formally?

[KFC]

You're using it when he talks to the Australian guys and they say, like, sort of like mate.

[John]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[KFC]

And that. I was like, oh, yeah.

[John]

Because they say, but you wouldn't call a Dr. Bo. But he's calling doctors boo without regard. It's crazy.

[Ad Reader]

Is it like B, E, A, U?

[KFC]

No.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Like, Bo, what's up, Bo? Come here, Bo.

[Ad Reader]

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[KFC]

You on some type shit?

[Ad Reader]

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[KFC]

Yeah.

[Ad Reader]

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[Charlie Sheen]

Sorry, continue.

[John]

My mom, real quick, the Wait.

[KFC]

What were you saying? Spooky season. Spooktown.

[John]

You're going to. But, like, I. I want it. And I. I just. I get to the point where, like, I'll be, like, all day. I'm leading up to it. I'm like, I'm gonna watch the Shining tonight. I'm gonna watch Psycho or the Birds or some. I want to watch, like, old. I don't want to watch, like. Like slashers. I'm not really a slasher guy. And then I get to the point where I'm gonna hit play, and I go, ah, I want something else. And I'm just. I guess I'm just not a spooky.

[KFC]

You gotta watch it with people who like it, too. I feel like I Feel like, you know, there's no more hit or miss movies, TV shows than that genre.

[John]

Yeah, yeah.

[KFC]

It can be absolutely garbage, or it could be like a classic. And I feel like, you know, within, like, five minutes of, like, what it looks like, what the budget is, who the actors are, and then there. But there is also, like, the slashers are meant to be a little more like, oh, you know what's great? The new. I know what you did last summer as well. Awesome.

[John]

I was excited for that. Everyone said it's a piece of.

[KFC]

No, but I. I'm surprised. First of all, Madeline Conroy, Madeleine Klein. Yeah, she. She's in it. Her character is spectacular. It's like a. It's like if Alex Earl was in a slasher. You know what I mean? Like, she speaks very like. You know what I'm saying? It's like she. It's. It's. It's funny. It's laugh. You know, you're laughing at. She's very like, Gen Z girl. And then she's stuck in a slasher film and murder and stuff. And I probably. Five different times, I was like, it's him. He did it. And then, like, the next scene, he would get murdered by the bad guy. It wasn't him. They had me on my toes the whole. They, like, really make it look like it could be this guy, that guy, this girl, that girl until the very end. There's great cameos and. What's that?

[Ad Reader]

Sorry. These are, like the parodies, right?

[KFC]

No, no, this. Well, these. This is real. But it's like, they have fun with it, but it's not a parody. It's like, it is still a scary movie. Okay. But that's very different than, like, the conjuring, which is, like, meant to, like, scare you and be, like, a real, you know, piece of art.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

You know, so if there's anybody out there that has. There's also so many. I mean, there's so many movies, period. But if you search, like, best scary movies, like Rotten Tomatoes have, like, the top 200, and, you know, after the first, like, 30, you're like, I don't even know what the fuck these are, you know?

[John]

But scary movies, because best horror, this is the top result is. Best scary is the top result.

[KFC]

Jaws. So that's what I. I would never call Jaws a horror movie ever. I don't even think I would call it a scary movie. Even though it scares you. I would say that's, I guess, like a suspenseful thriller.

[John]

I think horror is a lot like comedy in the sense that like in 30 years the genre doesn't really match up anymore.

[KFC]

It needs like new sub genres and stuff. Right.

[John]

But just like, like what, what someone would call a horror in the 1970s, which weren't 30 years ago, the like is not what you would call a hard. And just like, just how like comedies don't work today because comedy is like very of the moment. I think horror kind of is too. It's like definitely what is scaring the people or what is about to scare the people right now. And then it kind of in. In 30, 50, whatever, how many years it looks a little silly where it's.

[KFC]

The fact like Jason, Freddy, Chainsaw Massacre guy. Like there was always like one creepy monster type thing.

[John]

Right?

[KFC]

And then I feel like it shifted to like the ring and the grudge and the others, which was like ghost stories rooted in reality. Like this woman was killed in the house and now she. You know what I mean?

[John]

And because I think at that time, for whatever reason, we as a people were scared of supernatural stuff. Whereas now I'm sure most stuff like AI and technology based because. And then. But in 50 years it's gonna look silly being scared of AI.

[KFC]

It's like, oh, could you believe they.

[Charlie Sheen]

Were nervous about the computer?

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Ad Reader]

Isn't conjuring like based on reality?

[KFC]

Yeah, so. So the conjuring is Ed and Lorraine Warren, who are like, she is supposed to be clairvoyant and he is like her husband and like a professor, I think. And what's cool about the conjuring though is they. They will visit. Visit houses and they'll be like, no, no. What you're hearing is actually like the plumbing at night. And like they said 99 of the time they go to someone's house and they give them a real answer. And then there's like the 1% of the time. And those are the movies where like.

[John]

Gets up Halloween Town. Halloween town. That's what I was looking for.

[KFC]

But like, like, would you call weapons a horror movie?

[John]

It's like. But that's also kind of like. That's hot right now too. Where like the kind of the like horror plus genre. Yeah, but like it definitely. Yeah, no, actually I'd say it's as. It's a thriller, but it's as like basic tenant of a horror as it can be. Right? Yeah, like with the. The witch and then the witch.

[Charlie Sheen]

Which is horror.

[KFC]

Yeah, which is. Yeah, but like, would you call Sinners a horror movie? It's vampires. But to me it's like I. I.

[John]

Had this epiphany the other day, is that because I always say I don't like horror. And I say that because when I hear the word horror, I picture a slasher.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

Because that's what horrifies me.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

I don't picture vampires. Vampires as hard.

[KFC]

I'm not horrified by that.

[John]

Other people, that's probably what they picture because they're terrified of vampires. So, like, when I hear horror, I just think of like slasher and gore or like a body horror type deal. But yeah, I'm sure there are people who are like, what's horrifying vampires? That's scary.

[KFC]

Yeah. Yeah, it's probably. That's what's. I think probably what. What's good about them is when it resonates with you, it's like, oh, it's the dark. Or it's like you're trapped underwater or something that. You know what I mean?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

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[John]

Well the, I guess the thoughts were they're brought on Dave. Dave shared his thoughts on it which I, I have a lot of thoughts on mascots as a whole. I think the show is incredible. I think, I think, I think the show is really good. I think we Failed. And at just id, Like, I don't think. I don't think weekly was the right move. And I think that was probably the thing going in that we were most sure of. Right. Like, I think we had a lot of conversations about a lot of different things. I don't think we ever had a conversation about. I think we were all like, weekly. Definitely weekly. And by the way, I wouldn't like.

[KFC]

This is just semantics, but I don't characterize that as failing. Like, I think, like, well, the first time you made a TV show, you're gonna do some things different.

[John]

Here. Here's the of it is that I don't either, but with the standards that I laid out before the show, it's a failure. Like, I. I said 70, 000 finale and. And I. I don't think we've hit that. So, yeah, it failed. But I. I feel like. I also feel like in the. Like, as I've been thinking about it, like, I feel like an athlete at the end of a season where it's not what the fan base wants to hear, but it's like, look, we learned some. We. There's a lot of things I do differently, I think. I think the team really came together. I think we did a lot of really cool stuff, and I think we just didn't. I think what ultimately was the worst decision was. Was releasing week to week, which was the only decision we were unanimous on.

[KFC]

That's how you. That's how you find out, though, right? Like, do you think if there was debate, you would have been swayed on that, or do you think you would.

[John]

No, I don't think there was. There wasn't debate. I think we were all pretty.

[KFC]

No, but I'm saying, like, if PAVS was like. No, I disagree.

[John]

I think most of the things. If PAV strongly believe something. Yeah, I think.

[KFC]

You ever have any thoughts or, you know, thoughts. I thought that probably it would be definitely. I knew it would probably be easier for people to watch and people would probably give it better reviews if it was all released seven days in a row. But I also. I know where we work and I know it's probably really hard to work on something for six months. We put out nothing, and then you get one week and it's like, all right, that's what all you guys did. We wanted it to linger. We wanted to be able to impress. We wanted to. Obviously wanted to parlay with the torque because that was sold. Like, there was a lot of. Say that is all part of it. Yeah. Like, I think you were able to do the tour and there was, like, that. I. I think if it was a good week and then it was gone, I don't think that the other stuff would have come about or been as successful. And, like, that's a part of it, man. Like, the tour was. Was profitable. The tour was. Was successful. And that element feels like it was connected to, like, the amount of time that it. That it all played out over that.

[John]

That. That was one thing that kind of, like, stung. Stunk a bit with the Dave thing because, like, I don't even know if he, like, it wasn't a failure as far as Barcelona sports is concerned. I guess. I guess it is, if that's what he says. But, like, it made money. It was a profitable business venture in. In six months, I think we 10x our budget, so I think most people would consider that a successful, like, business project for. For the year. And I. I'm not saying that Dave, like, is, like, spitting in the face. Dave probably just doesn't even know or it doesn't care, because honestly, it is. I. I think it's a good amount of money. But as far as Barstool is concerned.

[KFC]

It probably nothing that's a real problem. Like, not a problem, but it's just the reality. And I like this. I like that we've always played in. In, like, we swam in the deep end. You know, we're playing on varsity, where it's like the standards always continue to raise, and I like that we hold ourselves to those standards. But it does feel like these days, if it's not like millions of views, millions of followers, or millions of dollars, it's like, whatever, because there are. There are people doing that, and so that's fine. But I think what Barstool has always, like, not done the best is developing, developing, like, development of something that's like, okay, we got something here, but it's not fully there. I think we're. We usually are like, is this a hit or not a hit? Yeah, that's kind of it. And it's like we hire someone and they go viral, and now you're a superstar. Not like, we hired this person. They've got something there, so let's foster this and let's do more of this and less of that. And like. And that is exactly what I think is going on here, where it's like, there's clearly something. You guys are very well loved. They're like, the skits were a hit. The. The. The show had its moments where. And. And. And then I thought the weird thing was to criticize the views, because that's the one thing I think was. Was the best part is, like, I thought the views were good, but if you're, you know, if you're gonna say it's not millions of views or several hundred thousand every time, but, you know, getting. Getting good, consistent views on YouTube these days is not what it used to be. That's hard to do. And that was the part I thought you guys did well.

[John]

Yeah, we did all right. We did all right. I think. I. I think it was just. I think by the end of the road, we had too much on our plates. We. We thought that. I. I'll say that, like, in my head, how it was gonna work was we did three. We did some promotion to start before the show came out, and then we were going to be on the tour for six weeks or whatever it was. And at the end of the tour, we're gonna have a couple more podcasts come out to promote, like, hey, full seasons out, if that's how you prefer watching a show. Like, yeah, now. So obviously, we had Edelman when we were in la, did Burr, did Santino. Those podcasts haven't come out yet. It's not often the studio Ed says the show is a piece of shit before the promo's done. So that. That is something that I didn't factor in, but it is. I like the show itself. I'm extraordinarily proud of, and I think is a really good show. I. I would do things differently with how we released it, how we promoted it, and we will do things differently. We'll do things differently next year. We're going to go back to sketches, and then we're going to start writing something for a project for next year. We don't know what it's going to be yet. Might be mascot Season two. Probably not if I had to.

[KFC]

But what's hard is, like, even if you guys have a plan or are excited to try this or do something different, it's pretty hard. Like. Like, it feels like you poisoned the well a little bit. You know what I mean? Where it's just like, it's got this stank on it now in the barstool world because of Dave.

[John]

And. Yeah, that's been. But, like, that's a lot of. Like, I don't think that's like, I. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It was just a factor I hadn't considered.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

Like, it's like, oh, that's right. Dave probably was gonna Say, I, I, I should have considered that. I should have expected that.

[Ad Reader]

But Dave is never gonna be like, it was the best.

[John]

Like, no, no, I've said that every.

[KFC]

Step, by the way.

[John]

Like, and I guess that I don't think he's watched it right. No, he did not. No, he did not watch. He did not watch it so, like, that I obviously care about what Dave thinks about my work and our work, but I also, like, I'm not gonna get too bent out of shape out of the opinion of someone who didn't want. Dave's opinion matters extremely. As far as like, views and, and what we're allowed to do and budget and all that stuff. But as far as, like, the quality of the show, I think, like, I think this quality, the show's really good. I think everyone who watched it agrees. Yeah. So, yeah, we should, we should roll it out better. We should have plan for, to release it better. We probably should have made it a movie instead of a show. But all things we've learned and we'll be back next year.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

But also we are, we're gonna go back to sketches.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

Which go viral every week.

[Charlie Sheen]

Pat.

[John]

Bev, just so you know, I mean, I, I do love the sketches.

[KFC]

I, I know, I know it probably feels like a bit of a grind to you guys and it sometimes.

[John]

No, honestly, like, I'm, I'm really excited. I'm very excited. I'm like sketches.

[KFC]

The amount of times that something happens. And my first thought is this would be a great out of order sketch or like, I would love to see what the guys did with this story or this viral video. Happens all the time. And. But I'm sure, you know, it's, it's, I'm sure for some people, you know, the passion behind like, I'm working on a TV show or a movie is different than like, I'm making a weekly sketch.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

But if you can for sure harness that though, if you can try your best to not. It's sort of like everything else where it's like, oh, you just write a blog and it's like, okay, it's not like a book, but if you read it, it's fucking good.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

So there is like some art to that if you want to get corny about it. And, And I think it's also just business wise is, is a great play. And I think those things lead to TVs and movie. TV movies, like kind of what you guys did. But if you just do more of that.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

And then, you know, everything. The sketches get bigger, and the passion projects that come out of the sketches get bigger and better.

[John]

I think there was, like, probably like a month and a half ago, things were just going great. Things were humming. And I remember in my head going, confidence is getting a little high, John. You know. Right.

[KFC]

Somebody needs to knock.

[John]

I was like, I could. I was probably. I think I like my confidence at, like, an eight, and I was probably tipping up into the nine. Nine and a half. And I was going, you better get down a peg or two. I've.

[KFC]

I've.

[John]

I've been brought down a peg or two, and I'm happy. I have been like, I. I don't know.

[KFC]

I. I know what you mean, but, like, I think we need more, like, of confidence. Like, more confidence is always a good thing. I know what you're saying. You don't want to get, like, overconfident, but, like, encouraging instead of discouraging, I think goes a long way in this business and at this company, and you're not. You're not gonna get much encouragement, but you also just don't need the discouragement, too, you know? And I. And I think that you. I think that you being, like, overly excited is.

[John]

Is.

[KFC]

Is better. Even if there's some pitfalls that come along with that, then just. It's just, you know, we've been around. It's always. It's a tough. It's tough critics and a lot of negativity and comparison and all those things, and. And that's the game. But I also. I don't think you should.

[Ad Reader]

I mean, that's like.

[KFC]

That's an unfortunate, like, side effect, if you will. I don't think you should be like, oh, that's good that I got knocked out of bed. You know what I mean?

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

No, but confidence.

[John]

I was like. I was getting a little close to the song. I was like, this show's gon.

[KFC]

You are close to the sun, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like, you are.

[KFC]

You got, like, you. You know, you have to remember that, like, you did.

[John]

And I wasn't saying any of that, but I was thinking it. I was like, this is gonna be a monster.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, but.

[KFC]

But that's how you should be, and that's how you have to think. And, like, yeah, what you guys did is far more of an accomplishment than if Dave gave you, like, some love on the unnamed show.

[John]

No, I. I agree, but I just.

[KFC]

Want people to know that and focus on that, and they don't, because it's just like, Dave is the biggest star in the world, and when he says his opinion on something. It's a big deal.

[Ad Reader]

And notoriously, nobody promotes stuff here. So he just saw somebody promoting something.

[John]

For once and then thought that the promotion thing. Yeah, that was a little odd because.

[KFC]

The promotion thing was like, we're the worst promoters in the world. When we do out of order, we just post a sketch, like, oh, but also, we're like, the worst. Like, yeah, sorry, keep going. But for promotion, I mean, we put out a teaser, a trailer, and then a poster, and then we talked about it on a podcast. I know that obviously other people were talking about when you guys were going podcast. Yeah, we're working on mascots, but, like, we posted three times about a show that we worked six months on as hard as we possibly could. It just happened to be. A lot of people in the office were really supportive about us.

[John]

And then everybody posted.

[KFC]

When I. When episode one dropped, I was like, oh, my God, everybody promoted. And I was like, that was just all out of the kindness.

[John]

Yeah, that was. That. That. I. I saw the clip of Dave on the.

[KFC]

The.

[John]

He's on a stream or something like that, and it seemed like he had, like, a lot of anger about. About that.

[KFC]

Did you ask anybody to promote it?

[John]

I didn't ask anyone to promote it. I think. I think ultimately Biz might have us on this one.

[KFC]

I think it's also. If Dave sees, like, everybody. And I want to say everybody, it's.

[John]

Just like, you know, our.

[KFC]

Our pals in New York promoting. I don't think that registers. I think when he. I think he goes back to this.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I think when he sees someone like that he views to be, like, important or on. On his level that, you know that the antennas go up on that. And I think it was Biz being like this. I mean, Biz was, like, super fan.

[John]

Yeah. So.

[KFC]

And he was like, what the.

[John]

Obviously wouldn't change a goddamn thing about that. And it felt so nice and so like. But I. I don't. Yeah, I didn't get with that clip. He's like, failure. Like, they promoted, like, it's a Oscars. Like, why is he so mad? I. I don't think we did that. I. We certainly. I. I certainly said it's good. I stand by that. It's very good. I think we said it might have been Netflix quality again. That's 100% true. That's just a fact of the matter. Like, everything else I've said on this show, but the.

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't know.

[John]

I don't. I don't remember at least us. I Don't remember us over promoting. I. I don't. I didn't. I didn't think we over promoted it. If anything, me and I were like, stop.

[KFC]

Like, let's not promote anything. Let's just let it go.

[John]

Yeah. Just see what happens, you know, it wasn't me.

[KFC]

I mean.

[John]

Yeah. I don't know.

[KFC]

We always, you know, clash. So I wonder if he was like. If he sees me say it, then he's like that. I don't know. Because I was trying to think of who else. I'm sitting there going, who at bar still, like, promoted this?

[Ad Reader]

You're not letting it knock your confidence. You just can't both you guys, confidence wise.

[John]

Yeah, no, I'm still like, honestly, like, it's also like, all that stuff was stuff I was thinking anyway. Like, I. I was thinking about how we can do stuff differently. I was thinking about how it didn't live up to the standards we'd set. Like, it's all. It's all stuff that was already being thought.

[KFC]

Set some really high standards in a good way. Like I said, you should always want to be in the deep end and play in varsity. You're up at the pro level. And so, like you said, some standards, if they meet them, fine. But like, when other. When other people in. In the industry find out that you made a whole season of TV for 30,000 bucks and it looks the way it looks and, like, had several, like, real good personalities involved in it, like, at the very least, I think the reaction should be like, there's something here.

[John]

Yeah. And it's a good.

[KFC]

This is a good direction for barstool to go in. And you guys are the pioneers of it. And I think that should be celebrated and like, and. And folk. That should be the focus rather than just if the numbers did well or if you personally liked it or didn't like it. Because there's always going to be an element of that, you know, but it's more like, what. This is the first step, you know, so it's like, that was a great first step. And beyond that, I. I think I did. Focusing on the wrong things.

[John]

I did think it was a little strange too. Just the reaction on the heels of like, wake Up Barstool numbers, which aren't good, and everyone is like, yeah, it's new and we're working on something. And I agree with all that. I remember talking to that in Chicago with people who are on Wake Up Barstool, where I'd be like, yeah, dude, it's week one. Like, you figured Stuff out, you're gonna learn new shit, you're gonna learn new promotion tactics. And I feel the same way about. And I, you know, I think, wake up, Barcelona is going to be a hit. And I, I think these aren't apples to apples or anything like that, but it's just a, It's a similar conversation about ratings. Right after we start, we tried something new, and, yeah, I think we got stuff to fix and stuff to get better at, but I think we have a very strong base, and I hope to keep exploring that.

[KFC]

101 last thing is I think, like, we got so much better. Like, it's crazy how much better. Obviously, it's not the result we wanted at all, but, like, I mean, it was me, Owen and James Crowley, who was an intern that made it. And it's like we learned how to do everything throughout the six months, and we got better every single time. And it's just one of those things where it's like, if we were to continue to do sketches and just, like, know that whatever trendy sketch that we put out was going to go viral, probably wouldn't have gotten much better, probably would just continue that same course. But, like, we shoot for the, we shot for the stars, did our absolute.

[John]

Best, and, like, we're just going to.

[KFC]

Continue learning, get better, and everything we do is going to get better from here on out, and I know that. And we're going to, we, you know, I'm very confident.

[John]

Pat gave us our fucking Tebow speech right there. Everything we do will get better, better. Everything.

[KFC]

I, I. That is like, the name of the game, man. It's like if every time your first foray into something was like, that's, I mean, I think that's what people got used to at barstool around here. It's like there are certain people who come in and they are just rocket ships. And it's like, you know, those are the exceptions. That's not. Those are the outliers. The rest needs to be, like, cultivated and worked on. And, And I also think that I bet when he goes, when you guys go back to sketches, I feel like you're going to bang out sketches. Like, yeah, whatever used to be a struggle for you or a grind or maybe took you a long time. I think you'll be able to do a sketch in a day. And it's like, that was light work.

[John]

I think so, too. I think, I think we got a good one cooking. Yeah, I think, I think I wrote.

[KFC]

For this weekend just out of. Kept on named. I Kept on main show in the.

[John]

Background and I just kept writing sketches.

[KFC]

Yeah, it's a tough, tough business. And then even tougher within our world. But people, a big criticism of me over the years is like, like, has anybody tried. Has anybody like, had more failed projects than, than kfc? And I'm like, I try, man. Yeah, Like, I, I wish they were all hits or if one of them was a hit, I probably would have just like kept doing that. But I try, you know, And I.

[John]

Think that also did the. Like, everyone tries and everyone fails every year. Like, like, particularly in like the entertainment world or sports world. Like every year, most of the people are failing.

[KFC]

Failing. Yeah.

[John]

You know what I mean? Like, you have a goal, are nominated for an Oscar. Everyone else probably sucks that year.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, right.

[John]

10. One person wins the Super bowl or one team wins the Super Bowl. 50 guys. Yeah, everyone else failed. So like, yeah, we failed this year. I hope we don't fail next year, but we'll be there.

[KFC]

I, I think your guys fan base is, is like supportive too. I just, the overall Barstool fan base is always like, very critical and very tough, at least for, you know, there's kind of the haves and the have nots at Barstool and some people get criticized more than that. And I think we're on that side of the tracks and I think that, like, I just wish it was more like. But you can have your opinions and maybe you didn't like it or whatever, but also like, recognize what is undeniably cool, well done, important, the future. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like, you can have, you can have. You know, not everything was perfect, but let's, let's not ignore all the really good that came out of it too.

[John]

Yeah, no, but like, I, I have no problem with anything. Like, yeah, no, Dave's right. Like, yeah, we failed. That's a bummer. But again, like, I do want to stress, like, we didn't cost the company money. We were successful as far as business side of things go.

[KFC]

Right. This is not one of those, like.

[John]

It'S a box office flop. I believe by a lot. I believe, like a lot of money. Yeah. 10x your budget, it's considered a successful. But again, like I, by the standards I set out on this show two months ago, it's a failure. So he's right to use that. And yeah, we got, we got to.

[KFC]

Get better my bigger thing and we can move on from it. But like, I just think that there's a lot of things out in the world. And then here, that by those standards would be considered failures that just don't get called out or, you know.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Again, I think it's a good thing that you guys are playing on the level where it's like, let's discuss this on the Dave Portnoy Show. But it's also like, well, say that about a lot of things.

[John]

No, I, I, again, I'd much rather be someone. I, I, I genuinely do. I wish he gave it a shot.

[KFC]

And wish he watched it and just.

[John]

Gave like, his actual thoughts on what he thought. Even if he hated it. I would have been fine with that. But I would have liked if he, like, gave it a shot. But despite all that, like, I'm happy to be the kind of thing that, like, there is.

[KFC]

That's what I mean.

[John]

Yeah. That it's on that stat level where it's like a fail. Like that that's all good. I'm happy about all that. It's a bummer to fail. But again, like, I, I think, I think we're go back to sketches for a while. I think we're going to work on something for next year and I, I think I, I hope that, you know, don't hold me to this. This will be the first thing on the podcast. I said it's not true. We're not 100 true. I hope to do like a couple months of sketches while we work on something else film, you know, while we work on writing something else film that put that out towards the end of the year, kind of like we did this year. But that's, that's a very loose plan for right now. We'll see what the fucking future holds.

[KFC]

Yeah, I would love a movie.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I feel like if you guys comb, like cram all your best editing, acting, writing into like an hour and a half, you could probably come up with something because it's, it's hard to, you know, do 10 episodes or whatever.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's a lot.

[KFC]

We're going to ask for some help.

[John]

Next time we try to do this.

[KFC]

One all by ourselves, we're going to.

[John]

Ask for a lot more help.

[KFC]

That's, yeah, that's the, that I would just highlight more is like, and, and really also at the end of the day, the fact that, like, out of order, like the, the out of order. There's an out of order crew now. People know that. You know what I mean?

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

That is a big win in the barstool world to like, break into like the rotation of like, podcast names, franchises, and now, like, out of Order like that in and of itself is like what's next? It's not like it's just gonna go away. You know what I mean? So I think that in that regard, like the job was done and now you just gotta, you know, achieve, you know, reach a level that you set for yourself or Dave sets or whatever. But, but it's, you know, the, the foundation is there and I think that's like 75 is even getting to that level of like this is the thing we're going to keep doing because enough people like that so many other things come and go again. If you're trying, there's a lot of people just kind of stay in their lane. But I think if you're going to try and experiment and, and put new out there, 90 of the time it just disappears. The fact that it's like, okay, now what's next?

[Ad Reader]

TV and movies is notoriously like the hardest. Like that's why everyone keeps going back to like Marvel moody movies because they don't want to like sell. Like you have to keep going back to the well because nobody knows how to sell like movies and tv, even in the industry.

[John]

That's probably something we, we, we can be better at too. Is like helping sales. I know there's a lot of complaints about that and I've made many of them, but we can probably do a little better at that. Just, just things you got to get better at. Things got to get better at.

[KFC]

But I will just say this too. Like, like this is not a direct correlation, but it is. It was like 10x your budget. Right. So like what instead of 30,000 bucks, if it was 300,000 bucks. I'm not saying you would just 10x that.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

But it just feels to me like this is something that when invested a very little bit profited pretty well. What if we invested a lot of. And that's just money, time, effort, resources, promotion, help, cultivation, development. Like maybe it would go 10x go from 300,000 to 3 million, you know, so.

[John]

But we gotta get better first. We got, we got stuff that you.

[KFC]

Can say I have no problem you guys saying you got to get better. I take Umbridge with saying like it was a failure.

[John]

Yeah, yeah. But again like by our own standards it was. That's why I can't really push back on that. It is like by our own standards or I, I don't even know if that was a unanimous group decision. But like I certainly had in my head 70, 000 finale. 70, 000 finale because, because I actually Kind of. I kind of. Vegas guy. This guy. Yeah. Dude. I was like, what do they always say when they're like, how does Vegas know? How does Vegas know? I was like, just in the lead up to it, I was like, I think we're probably gonna get, like, 201st episode, so if we. And that'll cut down in half right away. And if we keep 70 of episode two, then it's a success.

[KFC]

And you're saying those are all correct?

[John]

Like, you basically, every step of the way, except for we didn't get this. I. I think we might at some point. But that would be considered, like, you know, limp into the finish line of the marathon. Like, you wanted to finish in three. Sure.

[Ad Reader]

I don't think you can consider that failure. Yeah.

[KFC]

You know, I mean, like, so confused. Established, bona fide actors, but, like, make.

[John]

Like, shows that just bomb, and it's.

[KFC]

Just like, okay, I don't know. He bombed. This is, like, not a failure.

[John]

No, no. Like, that's what I. I keep. Yes, that word. It's. You got an F. But, like, I. We learned, like, I'm. I'm very, very, very, very, very, very proud of this show. Like, I think we worked really hard. I think it's very impressive for what we did and all that stuff. But. But the end result is the end result. Like, I get that. I, I. The end result is we didn't hit the goal.

[KFC]

I guess the thing is, I would just not call this the end result. I think that was the first one. Yeah, I know. But, yeah, just bigger picture. It's just. And it's just.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's a.

[KFC]

It's a fan base and a company that's, like. It's harsh. It's tough. And, you know, I think if. If there was a world where, like, it was a more encouraging, positive company, it would just feel differently right now. I just. I. I don't think. I think you have to, like, take a little bit of the barstool lens away because you did something that's not very barstool. Never done this before, as a matter of fact. It was always kind of like, no, we don't do that. We're unscripted. We're natural. We're organic. This is acting. So it's like, you can't really apply the same barstool standards to something that's so not barstool pedestal. Yeah, but it is now. That's the point. Like, you took it in that direction, and you're the first one to do it. And so, like, the same thing with podcasting, it's like pot. Like podcasts that. Podcasts that came about afterwards that are. That, you know, after that door was open, like, you're, you're trailblazing. And it's not always the easiest thing, but certainly is not a failure.

[John]

Yeah, no, I, I, Yeah, no, I, I don't. I'm not discouraged. I'm, I'm encouraged. If anything, I'm a little disappointed, but, like, not devastated. Like, I, I'm disappointed in us. That's it. And, And I think we'll be better next year, and I think we'll be better next week when we drop a viral sketch.

[KFC]

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[KFC]

All right, let's do it. What a surprise.

[Charlie Sheen]

Here we are.

[KFC]

Yeah, we got a pretty cool story, I'd say.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes, we do.

[KFC]

And when we first connected and we kind of talked through that story, you were like, do you think this is something you would maybe say on your show? And I was like, yeah, Charlie, I think so, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's awesome.

[KFC]

But yeah, so. So I guess you tell me. How did you stumble upon me? I know, kind of my version of it, but I want to hear from you. What's your thoughts of how this all kind of came to be?

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, I hope our stories match because oftentimes with other shit. They wouldn't. Yeah. I mean, not even close.

[John]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. So there's a dear friend of mine named Tim Montana, right. And he's doing the music for the promotional stuff for the, for the, for the beer that I launched that I'm in the. The process of launching a wild af. Right. And so he's also very fluid and, and adept with social media. Right. He's. He's got, he's got his. He's got his fingers in every pie. Is that an expression anymore?

[John]

It is now.

[KFC]

I can tell you what I'll be.

[Charlie Sheen]

Saying from now on. Social media pie. Yeah. It's a weird image, isn't it? Yeah. Anyway, so he, He. He scans a lot of the content and, and just a lot of the stuff, you know, the energy around things that I'm doing. Right. And as you know, I've been, I've been promoting the book and the doc. I think I'm promoting my book more than Jesus would have promoted the Bible. Okay.

[John]

On your grind, sir.

[KFC]

You are.

[John]

It's a better read. It is.

[KFC]

It's a little more enjoyable in the Bible.

[Charlie Sheen]

Am I going to get yellow all that for saying that? Because I've had that line in my hip pocket for like a week now and just figured this was the place to. To try it out. Anyway, so there was some that I revealed in the, in the doc and in the book, you know, and so he's, he. And it created quite A stir, you know? And it was. I guess when you talk about, you know, smoking tons of crack and having some gay sex, I guess that happens. That's gonna get.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

Who knew, man? Who knew?

[KFC]

I thought that was gonna be a whisper in the night.

[Charlie Sheen]

So. So that cat was out of the bag, right? And. Yeah, let's. Let's just do all metaphors today.

[John]

I love it.

[Charlie Sheen]

All fucking metaphors.

[KFC]

You got a knack for them. I say in the book.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[KFC]

You do have quite a bit.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. So he says, hey, man, there's this dude who. Who has been, like, rushing to your defense, man. He's been like. He's. He's. He's been championing everything that you're doing, and even the. That everybody's yelling at you about. He's. He's. He's taken a stand, and he's. He's. He's just like. He's. He's.

[KFC]

He's.

[Charlie Sheen]

He's atop his. His. His podcast mountain, screaming to the heavens to just pay attention to the truth and. Okay, you think a certain way about this other thing. Well, go yourself, because here's why. Sheen did it that way. And. And. And I'm like, well, who is this person? So he tells me it's you, right? And then. Then it came to the thing about the 47, 000 girls, right? And I didn't even know. I didn't even remember that part of the interview. Because what I don't do after these things are done is, like, sit there all day. Oh, my God. How's it tracking? What are they saying about me? Right? Like, there's time for that. Can we. We're not supposed to swear. Okay. I should have asked that, like, 50.

[KFC]

Crack in the game. Yeah. We're a clean show.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay. Okay.

[John]

Truly, whatever you want.

[Charlie Sheen]

So, anyway, so. So I watched that post and. And. And. Or the story, and. And then I realized, holy. That huge. The guy on. On Paul. On Logan's show. Right? Impulsive, right? He's the one that just, like, threw that out. But just as a piece of banter.

[KFC]

Totally. Not just a. An exaggerated statement.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly.

[KFC]

Never meant to be taken seriously.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

I did say in my video, I said the reason why this is resonating is because it could be true with Charlie. But. But yeah, it was just like, he never said that, guys. This other dude did, and he said it in total, you know, exaggeration, jest. And I, you know, I had no problem just saying the truth of that, but it was the only time, the first and only time in my career that I've had anybody reach out the way you did, just to be like, if nothing, this. You never even knew that I even had a podcast. It was just to say thank you.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sorry about that.

[KFC]

No, no, but even further, you know, then we. I said I had the podcast, and I said, I would love to have you on. And I. But I said, you know, full warning, I'm not Joe Rogan. I'm not Logan Paul. And again, you said, I don't give a fuck, man. I want to talk to you. And I was like, this is truly. And I'm not just saying this because you're here. It's one of the nicest and most genuine conversations I've ever had in the business.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, that's amazing.

[KFC]

It was just.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's amazing.

[KFC]

They're doing. Hard to come by, you know, but it was very real.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, I said to Tim, who is in my book referred to as the entire state of Tim Montana, which is pretty cool. Yeah. They. They want to call his next album that.

[KFC]

That's great.

[Charlie Sheen]

Maybe should.

[John]

I don't know.

[Charlie Sheen]

So I said, yeah, I just, I, I. I just want to reach out. I just want to. I just want to thank this man, you know? Yeah. And. And then I had DM'd one other person, like, one time in my life and didn't know when I hit send if it was going out to the world, if it was just going to her private.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. All right. I admitted it was a girl a.

[KFC]

Little more dicey when it's.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah. Well, no, it could have been my brother. I mean, come on, you know? So anyway, so I was glad that. That it got to you personally.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And you called me back in, like, five minutes.

[KFC]

I was right on top of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a great conversation.

[Charlie Sheen]

So why did it take five minutes? Was it. Were you in the middle of a show when you got.

[John]

No, so.

[KFC]

And this is funny as well.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, I'm joking.

[KFC]

I was, but I was out watching the Mets that night, and at that point, the Mets were still in the playoff.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

And when I say that if anybody, almost like anybody else in the world, was like, hey, can we talk right now? And I'm in the middle of what I consider to be a Mets playoff push, I would be like, no, man, we'll talk tomorrow. But I was like, I think I can make some time for my buddy Chuck. Nice, nice. And then as we got to talking, I was like, I know you're a real big baseball fan who Are you, who are you a fan of again? And it was the day, the day the Mets had been eliminated by the Cincinnati Reds.

[John]

And he goes, and I say he goes, you're not gonna like this answer. I'm a Redskin.

[KFC]

I was like, what are the.

[Charlie Sheen]

I know.

[KFC]

I was like, he's probably a Dodgers fan. La or something like that.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, the Reds. I know.

[KFC]

How'd that come about? Why are you a Reds fan?

[Charlie Sheen]

Dad's from Dayton. And so that's just, you know, how it happens.

[KFC]

You know, growing up, that must have what they wanted. What, 91 or 90.

[Charlie Sheen]

90.

[KFC]

So that must have. I mean that's, that's prime, right? I mean you're, you're coming to your. You're coming into your own. The Reds are winning the series. It's got to be a hell, right?

[Charlie Sheen]

But even before then, the first two years I followed them was 75 and 6.

[John]

Oh, wow.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know. Yeah.

[KFC]

So you're doing big red machines.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thinking that's just the way it was going to be forever.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Just not the case. But the Reds do have a nine game win streak in the World Series.

[KFC]

So if they make it, you're good to go.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. Well, then they, they would have to, you know, win that first game at least to get the dou. Digits.

[KFC]

You know, there's something about when I, when I hear you talk about baseball and, and I realize this just through the book, the doc getting to know you very briefly and then hear you talk about baseball like you're so far from a normal guy, but you are a completely normal guy. Thank you. Like obviously your experiences, your career, your stardom, money, fa. All this is so one of a kind. But there's something about when you talk to a guy specifically where you just know it's a normal guy. Right. You got that?

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Yeah. And, and, and there's no. And just baseball specifically, like the dialogue of baseball. There's no room in that conversation for anything about fame or excess or dope or women or whatever's left over. So it's just, it is just that.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And that's all that it needs to be. And I can tell, and I'm sure both of you can as well, especially working here, that you can tell. Not even. It doesn't even require a full sentence. It's like three or four words into that sentence how much that person really knows about the sport.

[KFC]

Can't really fake baseball. Football, you watch on the Sundays. It's a big deal. Fantasy betting, but like Baseball, you got to like like love it and. Because otherwise it's not great for everybody else. But.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

Baseball fans, it's art and it's, you know, poetry and it's all this gay. That's like.

[Charlie Sheen]

And a shorthand.

[KFC]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Which we all get from just growing up with, with play by play in our minds our entire lives.

[John]

Right. Can I recommend a movie to you? Can I recommend the movie? Yes. Have you seen that efis? It came out this past year. It just came out. It's kind of an indie type.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes. Why do I feel like I saw it just captures.

[John]

It's a. It's like a men's beer league on a kind of a, A decrepit field. And it's just one game. And I, I, I watched that movie this year. It captures the spirit of baseball so beautifully.

[Charlie Sheen]

Got it.

[John]

It's.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes, I saw it.

[John]

Really great.

[Charlie Sheen]

Do they bring the cars on the field?

[John]

No, no, no, no.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's a different one.

[John]

Different one. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay.

[John]

This is one just.

[Charlie Sheen]

Is this about Bill is recommending movies?

[KFC]

Charlie.

[Charlie Sheen]

She. Is this about Bill Lee?

[John]

Bill Spaceman? Bill Lee's in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not about him.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. But he's in it.

[John]

He's in it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[John]

He's an old man sitting on the bench watching these guys.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes. Okay.

[John]

You'd love it.

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[Charlie Sheen]

But didn't they. Cuz it. Cuz, cuz the they do pull.

[John]

They do bring the cars on the end.

[Charlie Sheen]

You're right. Because they're playing past and. And they can't get the lights.

[John]

You're 100% right.

[KFC]

I got that wrong.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. 100% right. Yeah. No, that, that film is a trip really great. Yeah.

[John]

There I, I really there because I, I had fallen out of love with baseball a little bit over the last few years just because the Red Sox suck and stuff like that. And that movie got me back in interest.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow.

[KFC]

I mean the phrase how can you not be romantic about baseball? Is one of the truest realist statements ever. You know, when I watch, when I watch a game, someone breaks a record. A walk off head or whatever it is. It's like to me it's just different than any other sport. You know there's something.

[Charlie Sheen]

It really is.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And it writing this frickin thing. It was the only sport I could have on the television at like volume two.

[KFC]

Yep.

[Charlie Sheen]

Just barely enough to peek through where it wouldn't contaminate.

[KFC]

Yep.

[Charlie Sheen]

If you can view this as uncontaminated. No. Where, where it wouldn't, it wouldn't interrupt, you know, whatever kind of rhythm and flow I had going, and it was still there just to make just the experience just that much more soulful. Yeah.

[John]

You know, soulful is a great word.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Thank you, brother.

[KFC]

Whatever you did, did, whatever your process is, it's a home run.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, thank you.

[KFC]

It really is.

[John]

Like, thank you.

[KFC]

You wrote this, like, entirely.

[Charlie Sheen]

I did, yeah.

[KFC]

Like, yeah, Because I heard you mention that that was one of my first questions for you when I started reading it. Because, like, it's, it's a real book. Like, it's, you know, because sometimes people either have a ghostwriter or they, they don't. They should have a ghostwriter and they didn't.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

In your case, it was just like, no, this guy can write.

[Charlie Sheen]

And like, oh, thank you.

[KFC]

The metaphors and some of the one liners are. And I guess that makes sense. Right? You know, you're, you know, an artistic person, but, but it's a different, different animal. And there, Let me, I wrote it down because there was one line that really, I mean, there was, there's several that jumped out at me, but the. When you were talking about meeting Matthew Perry.

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[KFC]

And you said, you said that you guys were veterans of the unspeakable. Those that have been through it recognize graduates at a single glance. Yeah, some bars there, that was, you know, thank you.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. But then I give the architect or the author of that quote credit, don't I?

[KFC]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was Charlie Sheen original, but there was, yeah, there was a lot in there that was very, just like poignant stuff that made me like, you know, pause.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's awesome. Thank you. Thank you. I, I, I just, I would get to places in the book and, and th, there's always a, just an easier kind of lazier way to describe something or, or to finish a thought or, or just. And, and I just, I wouldn't settle.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

But I also didn't want to turn it into, oh, gosh, another Sheenism, another, another moment, then, then they, then they're not special.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, but I just, I just wanted to, to create the, just enough, you know, whatever I was describing and what, whatever was going on or whatever details, you know, needed to Be there. And I just, I, I wanted to, I just wanted it to be unique because the experiences were really unique.

[John]

Right.

[KFC]

I feel like I've heard them before.

[Charlie Sheen]

So, so then the, the description supporting that, you know, those, those moments on the journey just couldn't, couldn't be pedestrian.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

You know, do you think you got that through acting or is that through life? Like, well, you know, like, like you don't walk into a door. You, you, you pop through, you sway.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like there's right.

[John]

You can descriptive of like you don't, you don't stand up, you pop up, you jump up. You know.

[Charlie Sheen]

Interesting, interesting.

[John]

Do you think that's kind of where that desire for description came from?

[Charlie Sheen]

I, I, it's probably just, you know, the confluence of a billion influences. You know.

[KFC]

That's what's cool about doing it at this stage in your life too. It probably, it feels like everything coming into a few hundred pages.

[Charlie Sheen]

All right, that's right on.

[KFC]

It's a hard thing to do to put your life and that many years into one book, you know.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. No, thank you. And there's a lot of stuff that just didn't make it into this. Yeah. And, but that could exist in a follow up book. Something, I don't know, do something like the essays.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm not, then I'm not like rigidly have to be allegiant to the, the chronology.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Of the memoir. Autobiographical.

[KFC]

You did this and now you can kind of do.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right. It would be cool to tell stories, just, just you know, bop around the different, just a timeline.

[KFC]

Not consider doing something like this.

[Charlie Sheen]

I have actually. Yeah.

[KFC]

I mean.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, you'd be perfect. Thank you.

[KFC]

Because you can do that. You can, you know, bounce around.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

Tell a story, be serious, be funny, whatever.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[KFC]

People would love it, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, well, I, I, well, thank you. I've done enough of these and, and it's just, it's almost turned into like this extensive research project or there's a research aspect to it, you know. And yeah, no, and I'm not going to name any names but there and this and it's not the case right now. It is not the case right now. There's been a few where I felt like I was in the wrong chair. I know that. Not right now. I stress.

[KFC]

All right, come on. You get city.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, but it's really cool when you walk in and sit down and from the jump you feel like you're in not just really good hands but with people that, that, that are, are fueled by passion. You Know that they're. They're here for the right reasons. And it's like. And you can't. That's the shit you can't manufacture.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

You can't, you can't just like. And let's do that part. No, it doesn't. And so that's. That's where I'm at. That's what's happening right now. Well, yeah.

[KFC]

All of us, like the entire company technically owes you a debt of gratitude and maybe some royalties.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm listening.

[KFC]

We were. So Barstool started in like 03.04. By the time I was in, it was 09. So a couple years into that, we're really trying to expand, pay more salaries, eventually get a place like this. So we're trying to make as much money as we can. And it's. We're trying to stay afloat at this point. Right. Wow. And. And we started to sell some T shirts with your face and the phrase winning on it. When I tell you, you kept the lights on. Like, I'm not joking.

[John]

Wow.

[KFC]

There was a period of time where.

[John]

Like, if we didn't have a good.

[KFC]

Year, like, I don't know if there would have been money for my salary. And then winning came along and so. And it was funny at first. I think the first design said tiger blood. And we quickly realized that winning was resonating more with the people and went with that. But that's a little piece of Barstool lore that you are.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow.

[KFC]

You know, a very big part of for better or worse.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's just amazing.

[KFC]

I noticed in your book you said you, you. You were like. And then Brian Wilson said that seven letter phrase.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right.

[KFC]

Yourself. Didn't say that. Was that. Do you like resent that or is that.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, I just thought, okay, how can I present this differently?

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

What if I just don't write the word?

[KFC]

You know, I was listening to the audio. I did both. I read it saying listen. So I was waiting for in your voice to hear winning. And then you left it. I was like, that's kind of cool.

[Charlie Sheen]

And it doesn't. It's not in the audio. Right.

[KFC]

Everybody knows. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, but what I also did, and I hope they did this when they printed this thing is I actually hit the, the space bar seven times to make sure it was the right length amount of spaces. Yeah. That's the Virgo brain at work.

[KFC]

You know, I would say from. From our point of view, because we're so Internet based and virality based. I. I really think that interview was probably the first true viral story. It was viral videos and a couple things like that.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

But as far as, like, a story and a person doing something that became the water cooler talk and just went everywhere, I think that really might be either the first or. Or the biggest or whatever it was. And I've always been so fascinated by it because, I mean, obviously you were in a state and. And saying some crazy. But instead of people being like, well, what was that? People loved it. So do you know why? Like, I always try to get to the root of that almost, like, psychologically. Is it because you were telling the truth? Is it because you didn't care? A combination of all of it. But people were like, that was awesome, man. And it was almost like universal.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. It was like I write in the book, you know, that the, The. The world I woke up into was not the one I said good night to six hours earlier.

[KFC]

Truly before and after, like, world changing type of thing.

[Charlie Sheen]

And. And, you know, again, back then, I wasn't like, oh, how's that track? No, I didn't know there was anything to track. And then there's. People are knocking on my door in the bedroom door, eventually the front door, but knocking on the door saying, dude, you need to. You need to get out here and come take a look at what's going on. And it was just like, they're like, you know, like folk songs and rap songs.

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[KFC]

Most quotable. I mean, I mean, it was nuts.

[John]

How many times would you say that happened in your life where you. The night the world you went to bed from was a different world than.

[KFC]

You woke up to?

[John]

And I mean, I don't mean that. And like, you were fucked up, like.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[John]

I feel like that happened a lot for you where, like, the stardom changed.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. No, there was one moment or one, I think, specific thing that I. It's what I call BP versus ap. Like before platoon, after platoon. And it was. It was a trip. And while it was happening, it's not in the book because it's not really a great story to tell. I was in. I was in Toronto with Oliver doing some press, so I wasn't really even stateside when all the platoon, you know, all the fanfare started building and the media attention and all the critics and all that stuff. So I still got like another pause from it to come home to. And then, like, right this way, Mr. Sheen. Yeah. I'm like, my dad.

[KFC]

Was that instant. Like, people right away knew Platoon was a hit. Like, yeah. I mean, the cast is just sickening by the way.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like, right on.

[KFC]

Everybody from that era was probably early 20s or whatever you guys were. I mean, the names, you know, but then, you know, oh, that guy, that guy, this guy, this. You know, it was crazy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. No, and. And. And he. His. His choices for. I mean, obviously, I'm. I'm grateful, but he.

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[Charlie Sheen]

He went against type, you know, because Barringer was playing, like, romantic leads and Willem was playing like, you know, like warlock type bad guys, you know, and he just swapped that.

[KFC]

So Platoon was like. Was that the first? Or would you say the. Like, when Two and a Half Men pops off, is that comparable to Platoon or. At that point, you can't even compare because it's such different.

[Charlie Sheen]

I couldn't compare it because I'd never experienced. Hadn't experienced it yet.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Platoon was like the first. I mean, Bueller was a little bit of a taste. That was like the universe saying, get ready, kid. This is, you know. Yeah, this is gonna be a. It's gonna be a Whopper.

[KFC]

You smoked that scene.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, thank you. Thank you. So that was. Yeah, just like that. But then. So. So I didn't really have anything to. I didn't have any. Any perspective, really. That's not the right word. Could compare it to anything. Yeah. With. With Two and a Half. That was a different kind of. Of. Of, you know, excitement, different kind of of vibe, because it already. It was already coming with a lot of historical stuff attached to it.

[KFC]

Right, right.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, it may have, like, a clean slate, really. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And then people could see right away that a lot of the stuff that they were drawing from my. My actual life for things with Charlie.

[John]

Harper, you know, that was something interesting you said. Sorry to step on you there. That was something interesting. I thought you said in the doc, too, where Spin City.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

Was kind of your first time where you got to be, quote, unquote, in on the joke because the character.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[KFC]

Dark Past written, started to get meta with it.

[John]

And I was thinking that was. That's funny that, like, in today's world, it's pretty easy for a celebrity to get in on the Journey joke because they can just send a tweet and I guess, oh, look, they're in on it. They get it now. Right. Back then, you had to rely on writers to tell the world what's going on.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah.

[John]

That must be tough to have to rely on someone else to say your word, like to speak your truth for you, to.

[Charlie Sheen]

To a degree. But if. If those same writers are Bringing stuff to you before it's. You're gonna be broadcast. Yeah, yeah.

[KFC]

Because. Yeah, I would imagine that's. They gotta at least feel you out because that could go south.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, Exactly.

[KFC]

Why the are you making fun of it? You know?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, but can you imagine?

[KFC]

Yeah, well, I'm sure there's plenty of people who would.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Do that.

[Charlie Sheen]

I know, but what a buzzkill. Yeah. What a, what a party foul from like right from the get go. Right.

[KFC]

Well, listen, if there's one guy who appreciates the party and doesn't want want to ruin the vibe, it's you, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, is there any other way to, to, to come at it?

[KFC]

That actually is true though. I mean in this era where we see people get cancelled or falter, stumble and some people kind of fight it or deny it or lie, and it's always the people who go on a podcast or send a tweet or whatever who are like, yeah, I don't know. This is how it happened and this is good, bad or otherwise. Like this is how it is and let's, let's go through it, you know?

[John]

Right, right.

[KFC]

That is the only way to deal with it. Good. But you'd be surprised how many people don't see that, you know?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Can't accept it. Don't want to accept it. For ego purposes.

[Charlie Sheen]

Fear, whatever fear I think is, is the prime factor in that. You know, what's, what's your prime.

[John]

What's your main emotion in sharing it and doing the opposite.

[Charlie Sheen]

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[Charlie Sheen]

It just feels more noble. It just feels more connected to just the right thing to do. You know what I'm saying?

[John]

Yeah, I completely agree.

[KFC]

I would, I would imagine there's a level of like relief as well. Just being like it's on the table.

[Charlie Sheen]

Absolutely.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes. Yeah.

[KFC]

Skeletons to hide.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. So no, after the book and the doc, I am unextortable. I gotta say, man. Get it.

[KFC]

Extorting someone is like how low can you go lowest?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, right.

[KFC]

It's just like you find this person at their weakest or at a something that bothers them and just manipulate and them like there's a special place in hell for people who do that.

[Charlie Sheen]

I really hope so. I really hope so, man, fingers crossed. Yeah, no, I. I keep score, man. I keep.

[KFC]

It's awesome to see you. I mean, it's not even like, back on top because it's like you've just been at the top and you're so synonymous with Hollywood and success and everything. But it's. It's cool to see when honesty and truth and having a sense of humor and humility and nobility and all that works out.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's amazing.

[KFC]

You know, thank you. Deserve. And it's.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[KFC]

Charlie's back, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I haven't really even done anything yet. I mean, I did these two pretty cool projects, but I haven't done, like, what I do.

[KFC]

Well, now you can put Casey Radio on your. On your resume, dude.

[John]

And then before Case.

[KFC]

Hello.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

Is there a plan, though, to. We were just discussing, like, you know, is. Could you go back and do a sitcom? Could you. Is there a world where you go do a indie film passion project that gets Oscar buzz or something like that? I feel like it's all for you.

[Charlie Sheen]

The only project that is, you know, actually, and they're going to kill me for even, like, speaking to this. The only sitcom that I would do is the one that's been written for me. And I just read it and it's fabulous. It's fabulous.

[KFC]

Like you sort of like your life.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, no, no. It's a different. Different. Different scenario.

[John]

That's.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, no, but it's. It's cool and it's. And I'm. And I'm. I'm honored. I'm flattered. You know, it just. It might have shown up like a year too late.

[KFC]

Why do you say that?

[Charlie Sheen]

Because what all this has also reignited is an interest in. In dramatic work. And that's what the really. What, what, what. What the DOC leaned into, intentionally or otherwise, what was providing an archival journey from the 80s all the way to, you know, before I went to television and just reminding people that, oh, this is a guy that, like, did these films that we withstood the test of time and have become multi. Generational and were dramas. I mean, you know, Major League kind of has its own spot on the mantle. Right. But there's drama there.

[KFC]

There's drama.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

When Rickwon comes back around is, you know, dramatic moment.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes. So. So, yeah, so it's, It's. It's amazing to have just things to choose from again. I just don't know. I don't know what's left for me in the. In the sitcom world. And it does. And Even if we bring something, give. Give a gift to the public, like, I don't know, something as amazing as Cheers. Right. I'm not saying. I'm not making. I'm just saying as amazing, it's still going to be compared to Two and a Half.

[KFC]

Yeah. You think that's untoppable?

[Charlie Sheen]

I think what's untoppable about it is, Is just how ingrained in the fabric of culture that it's become. Right.

[KFC]

Fact that I could just sit here and go, man, man, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

It's just like, so much of it is.

[Charlie Sheen]

But the people, the people in the street, they'll come up and it's either, you know, I'm still watching the episodes, or then the next person that walks up. Wow, man. You. You, you got me through my dad's cancer. I'm like. And then you can't say, like, well, how's he doing?

[John]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Because. Right, right. Yeah.

[John]

That was a long time.

[KFC]

He either really beat it.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Really helped you through it.

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[KFC]

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[Charlie Sheen]

Joe, you made cancer funny. Oh, God, we're gonna get yelled at.

[KFC]

You can say no, no.

[Charlie Sheen]

But I'm saying, oh, thank you. But. So as far as, you know, bringing something fresh, which I think people would, Would celebrate and would embrace, and I think the show would be really smart. But I just. I, I, I don't know. I, I'm trying to imagine, like, episode 30. Yeah. Am I still gonna have the passion for it? You know, I turned 60.

[KFC]

Spring chicken.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[John]

Insane for being 60.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[KFC]

Thank you. Something in Tiger Blood, man.

[John]

Yeah. There's something else in there, honestly. Like, what is, what is that? Like, like, like, even writing the book where you're like, yeah, you're a great writer. Like, what, When.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[John]

When has Charlie Sheen failed? Like, when have you, when have you tried something? Obviously, you've failed many times, but, like, what have you tried something? You've been like, like, I can't do this. You know, I feel like everything you touch, you're like, I can. I can figure it out.

[KFC]

I got it.

[Charlie Sheen]

I picked up a guitar once, put it down after about seven minutes. Yeah.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

That was a failure. You mean something on the big stage, that. Or something that would have been. That, that, that could have been, like, professionally failed, I think just anything. Just the kind of.

[KFC]

Because, like, I'm running through in my head everything I've seen, like, play two on one with Michael Jordan. And even though that was, you know, eyes closed and silly, it's like you guys won the, the story when you, you got out of rehab and you were, you just hit front of your dad, like the day of getting out.

[John]

Of rehab, that was, that might have been the one that made me write the question down. I saw that. I was like, oh, like you had the footage of. I was like, that's a great swing. That's a bomb.

[KFC]

That's not. You can do it all.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Thank you.

[KFC]

So, like, whether it's professionally or just like in, you know, something you wanted to do in life, it seems like whatever you kind of put your mind to, you can at least do somewhat, if not at a high, high level.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. I, I, I, I don't have, I, I don't know what, what the secret sauce is. I, I think it's just maybe not being by the fear of failure, you know, I mean, I mean, being, you know, keeping it kind of in the room.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, in the corner, though.

[John]

Yeah, I see you over there.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. All right.

[John]

Stay over there.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like a slightly dangerous dog, you know.

[KFC]

Just keep it on the leash.

[Charlie Sheen]

You're good. It's fine over there. But yeah, I, I, I, I guess it goes to just that thing about you, you, you don't know until you try. You really don't. Y, Right. And people ask like, well, how do you, how did you know you were a good writer? Right? I'm like, well, I, I, I, I didn't, but I had a pretty good hunch I wasn't a bad one.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know what I'm saying? And I just not to be too confident about things going into them, you know, or confident but not cocky. I don't know.

[KFC]

I, I, Carelessness is really your super power.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, yeah, but not completely, you know, I don't skydive. I don't do, you know, extreme sports.

[John]

Afraid of the scarier things, like putting yourself out there like that. That I think to me, and to most people that's scarier than skydiving is being honest and open with the world.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure. Hitting, hitting send the biggest whoosh possible to the universe. Yeah, man.

[KFC]

Universal text send.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, it's exciting. It's exciting.

[KFC]

Yeah, but the fact that you just got, like, jazzed up, I can see your face. You're like, it's exciting. And there's a lot of people that is like, their worst nightmare, never do it in a million years is put themselves out there. So, and, and the fear of failure. Or we I talk about with the younger guys on our team, they grew up so Much on the Internet of everyone seeing pictures and videos and everything, that being cringe, being, you know, corny, weird, whatever, is like, they're crippled by it. Wow. Like, I won't. I don't want to dance because you're gonna take a video of me and, you know, you see my goofy dance moves on the Internet or I'm not gonna wear that because you're gonna. And. And it's kind of sad because it's like they're just, you know, ruled by that fear of, like, I don't want to look bad on the Internet or whatever.

[Charlie Sheen]

And Interesting.

[KFC]

I also think that's a big part of your story is like, man, if you were born, like, 20 something years later or whatever and into the Internet era, like. Like, I don't know what that looks like.

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't either.

[KFC]

You can't get away with half the things you got away with, or maybe it gets worse. I don't know.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, right.

[KFC]

Different, for sure.

[Charlie Sheen]

A lot different. Yeah, a lot different.

[John]

You said something interesting in the documentary that I think kind of applies to that right there, where you're saying people don't think of you as a person, they think of you as an event in their life or. Or something like that.

[Charlie Sheen]

A concept or.

[John]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Or an idea or. Yeah.

[John]

And I learned about something similar recently, which is just a person versus personality, which is a lot like how people treat even, you know, Twitter personalities or whatever it is where you're a person versus personality. And I was wondering if you felt that change, like, younger in your life where people started associating you with something else. Like, is it only with the, you know, the CBS interviews and stuff like that, or as a young person, did you realize, oh, they don't treat me like a person. They treat me like a personality.

[Charlie Sheen]

No. Much younger. It would have only been not treated as my own person.

[John]

Person. Okay.

[Charlie Sheen]

Always son of, brother of, you know, but the. But I. I think the person versus personality, I think that hit its zenith with. With the. The GMA piece, you know? Yeah. Even though I think there were. I. I think there were less extreme examples of the potential for it. Maybe in a few other interviews, you know, there's a. There's a quick shot in the dock of me in that stupid striped jacket with the Dick Tracy hat.

[John]

What the was that, bro?

[KFC]

I thought that was like a costume.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then it kept popping up.

[KFC]

I was like, this is just how he dresses.

[John]

I don't know.

[Charlie Sheen]

There. There's in. In the photo insert section.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Which is cool, by the way.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm wearing that jacket and that hat and I'm going like this to a 67427 stingray.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And it's around 3 in the morning, I think.

[John]

I. I remember in the clip in the dot with the interviewer asking you, I believe they're asking, are you living a calmer life these days?

[Charlie Sheen]

And I talk about a pizza. Wolfgang Puck Pizza.

[John]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

What the was that?

[John]

But it was. The camera was on the interviewer and it was like, are you living a calm life these days? And. And you hear your voice go, yes. But then the camera talks to you.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm in that outfit.

[John]

Yeah, that.

[Charlie Sheen]

That was the press junket. Do you remember those things? Yeah. Where you'd sit in the same chair and like 35. Oh, my God. That was the pressure on it for Navy seals. Yeah.

[John]

Dressed like that.

[Charlie Sheen]

I never, I never made it home. I never made it home from that night. And I'm like, wow, that's not.

[KFC]

Like, hey, when I got. I slept in my clothes and I got to repeat it. And I'm wearing like, khakis and a white shirt.

[John]

You're wearing the most recognizable thing. You were promoting Navy SEALS dressed like a guy who kidnaps dogs.

[Charlie Sheen]

Pretty much. Pretty much, yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, shit, it's 8:00 clock already. I guess we just go straight there. I hope the X wears off by then. Yeah. And then we had a lunch break, and rather than trying to steal a nap or eat some actual food, I went to the mall next to the hotel and bought some jewelry and had a few drinks and came back back. Didn't even think about, maybe I should buy another jacket.

[John]

Calm this thing down.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, man. And they were like pinky rings. And what are we doing? I don't wear pinky rings.

[John]

Right.

[KFC]

In the same vein of this whole conversation here, John Cryer said something in the doc where he believes that you. You don't believe that you deserve all of this. Is there truth to that? Or He's.

[Charlie Sheen]

He's not wrong. Yeah, he's not wrong. I think having been through what I've been through and then getting on the other side of it, thankfully. Right. I'm. I'm okay looking at whatever is in this. In this third act. Whatever comes out of that is deserved. Well, because it's earned. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And comes with no apology apologies. You know, I spent my 50s apologizing.

[John]

Time to live now.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[John]

You know, I, I loved Crier in the, in the doc because I, I thought he Added, like, a nice weight because he.

[Charlie Sheen]

He really did, man. Yeah.

[John]

Honest. Where I really loved in the beginning where he said something along the lines of, you know, Charlie goes up and down, and I don't want to be part of another downswing.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[John]

See, like, he meant that. Where he's like, oh, yeah, it doesn't happen.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah.

[John]

But I do want to speak the truth here.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[John]

To me, I. I would love to talk about. About another friend in a second, but, like, it felt to me like John Cry was a real friend, that you guys went through a lot, and you guys definitely have your issues and resentment for certain things.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[John]

Right. Yeah. It felt like you guys truly care about each other.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, it's. It's absolutely true. He had. I guess we could call it, like, edgy sincerity.

[John]

Yes, exactly.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Cautious. Cautious sincerity, you know? No, he. He was on no one's payroll for that doc. You know what I'm saying?

[John]

Just does John.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm just saying it's like, he was not there to, like, completely celebrate me.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

I think he says that, doesn't he? Yeah, no, he's not there to tear me down.

[KFC]

Right. You know, same thing with Denise, where she was like, I'm here to, like, tell the story.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[KFC]

I want to be real about it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure. The way.

[KFC]

The way that that woman talked, I can understand why. She just seems. She was like, yeah, otherwise, it's just gonna be a piece of. And you wanted to be a documentary. She was, like, so casual and speaking the truth, and I was like, I. I get why there was. Why that happened. You know, she seems like a cool.

[John]

Girl, but also to. To kind of say about you, you know, the deserving aspect of it. Those pitfalls and rises only happen because of your authenticity.

[Charlie Sheen]

And so, like, you do deserve interesting thank you.

[KFC]

Right.

[John]

Like, thank you, you can get back is because you are so real and open and honest. Like.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right on.

[John]

People who hide don't get back.

[Charlie Sheen]

Or. Or they get back, but they're not welcomed back.

[John]

Yes. You know, and they get back with a lot of skeletons in the closet. And that whole time they're back, they're going. I hope you don't ask a question.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Because now if they.

[John]

If they.

[Charlie Sheen]

If they find out now, right now, it's 20 times worse than had I just said it.

[KFC]

Let me tell.

[Charlie Sheen]

Ten years ago.

[John]

Right.

[KFC]

If Charlie Sheen has any skeletons, you.

[John]

Must be hiding some crazy. Because it's all.

[KFC]

I mean, when I read that the Mexican cartel cut you off because the amount of drugs you were doing Must.

[John]

Have been to sell.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I mean, that's crazy.

[Charlie Sheen]

It was nuts.

[KFC]

Like, when it was guys who's like, their existence is knowing drugs and they're like, any amount. That can't be for one human.

[Charlie Sheen]

That kind of weight.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Has to be for distribution. Yeah. Yeah.

[KFC]

You're talking in normal. People don't talk in kilos, Charlie.

[Charlie Sheen]

I know, I know.

[KFC]

Kilos in three weeks. Like, you do sound like a cartel member.

[Charlie Sheen]

It was crazy. But. But that moment when Marco came to me. Me or Phil Hines Jr. However, you know, Raffle. Thank you. No one has mentioned that line.

[KFC]

I came in, I was like, you got it. Phil said, I. I want him. I met him in a car. Watch. Charlie said, I want him in a raffle.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's like. And, And I thought, okay, what's like, absurd, borderline offensive, but cool. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know. A raffle maybe?

[KFC]

Kind of. It's kind of true. You hit the lottery in the sense you got like, best drug dealers.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Yeah.

[KFC]

Doordash before it existed, man. It was fucking great.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's so cool to hear the stuff that has just been just completely.

[KFC]

Oh, no, those are the things I jumped on. Awesome. I got a thank you list of notes that was thank you and then.

[Charlie Sheen]

See, but that is so. That's like, now I know that it really. The effort that went into or the focus required to build some of that stuff on the page to hear it back. So worth it is the only. That's the only currency that, that that is. Did that register?

[KFC]

Do not ever doubt that for a second. Because anybody who read it, watched, whatever, and if they had any interest in you or invested in you or not trying to tear you down, whatever, if you just come in with an open mind and you read it, all of those things resonate.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like, that's amazing. Thank you.

[KFC]

The amount of, you know, real details and, and all that. Even just like, you talk about your friends or. It was like Chris Penn and Miles C. Right. It was. And I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, oh, that would be my version of my buddy jlove and Wheezy and like.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly.

[KFC]

And he said it best. The, the Super 8 films you. You made.

[John]

Like, those are like, I, I, I was. I was blown away by the Super 8 footage.

[KFC]

Amazing.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[John]

You guys as kids were, like, really going for it. There was the blood splatter of, I think a knife or a ninja attack. And then, yeah, you had Sean Penn, Chris Penn, Clooney.

[Charlie Sheen]

Clooney was Clooney was, after we met on Grizzly 2. 2.

[John]

Oh, right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Cinematic. I'm hoping that Grizzly 2 rentals and.

[John]

Streams go through the roof now both you and Clooney are included.

[KFC]

Grizzly 2?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[John]

Really?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[John]

The best, worst movie of all time.

[Charlie Sheen]

George and I, like, met at the airport.

[John]

No, that's crazy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Hey, Charlie. Hey. I'm George. And we, like, flew in coach. It's in the book. And we listened to the Beatles for nine hours, hammered. And just. And we're both had, you know, know, earbuds in, but were singing, like, at a volume that was not appropriate. And I do mention. And, you know, as George has a pretty good voice, you know, at least.

[KFC]

He didn't give up pass on a movie that would have been a, you know, international icon status.

[Charlie Sheen]

At least. At least he didn't. Yeah, I know.

[John]

At least Grizzly 2 was worth it, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. How about that?

[KFC]

Thank God that you did go and have the career you did, because you can kind of laugh about it now, but, man, that would have been a tough one if you ended up being a struggling actor and you passed on the Karate Kid.

[John]

Ow.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

That would live with you for quite a while, I'd imagine.

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't know that I would have lasted the entire shoot of Karate Kid.

[KFC]

Really?

[Charlie Sheen]

I think. Yeah. I think that they might have just seen. Had seen something on the day that. That made sense for just that pocket of time, I was gonna say. But I didn't have any experience, man. And if you look at Macho's performance in that film, I mean, it is detailed and nuanced and. And he's so comfortable in that role. Even playing vulnerable and uncomfortable and all of the beats. I would. I didn't. I wouldn't have had a clue because, you know, you're talking about those Super Eights. That. That was essentially my. My resume. My resume was filled with lies, school plays. I wasn't even in the drama department. I didn't even know where that building was. And I'm like, yeah, that you weren't.

[KFC]

Even doing it as, like, crazy.

[Charlie Sheen]

It wasn't like, none of it. I was playing baseball.

[John]

You're just playing baseball. You want to play Daniel Russo. I mean, that.

[KFC]

That had to be some sort of proof to you that, like, I got some sort of it factor because I've never done this before, and directors are calling and agents are interested and all that stuff. Right. Or what's your father, maybe?

[Charlie Sheen]

Or what's the other side of it.

[KFC]

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[John]

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[Charlie Sheen]

How did I fool them? Yeah, that spectacularly. Right. And that, that ties into that thing about not deserving stuff that if you've, if you, if you've, you know, if you're involved in the type of charade that is effective, you know, and yet it, yet that, you know, your, your, your shell game keeps working. It, it, it can generate those feelings that John talked about.

[KFC]

And so that was the second part of his comment was that he thinks you don't deserve. You believe you don't deserve it. So you self sabotage, you tear it down. Was there, is there? Sometimes I think people kind of make those narratives. It's like, I think, you know, you had a drug problem and you were partying.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[KFC]

And that's why it became hard to do your career professionally. Or was there something you think subconsciously you're like, I'm gonna go out party and miss the call time or up at work on. Is there some level of that doing on purpose?

[Charlie Sheen]

I think those were, those specific moments were kind of accidental.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, accidental with, with an explanation, you know, but, but I don't know. I think just, just as a, as a one big mashup, you know, fed different, different stomachs in that camel. That's not an expression. But.

[Ad Reader]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And they don't even have more. Do they have more than one stomach or is that a cow? That's a cow.

[John]

Yeah.

[Ad Reader]

Yeah.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay, well, we'll adjust the metaphor.

[KFC]

We're getting back into the camel.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sounds cooler, doesn't it?

[KFC]

Yeah. You, you, you're in a level. You can say whatever you want.

[Charlie Sheen]

I think I appreciate that interview.

[KFC]

And said it's like feeding the four stomachs of a camel.

[John]

People like, yeah, all right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Charles, he has a four stomached camel. Wow. Yeah. So what, what were we just specifically?

[KFC]

Well, just that like the idea of sabotaging versus accident.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

Like, right. You, when you stayed up late to look tired for.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Were you partying or you actually were like. No, you just had this dumb idea.

[Charlie Sheen]

Just like, you know, I used Ramon's cigarette ash for the audition. That was Never an audition.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

So imagine that. That's another piece of it. I'm like, I'm ready, and I've got the thing memorized, and there's John Hughes, and he's like, oh, yeah, whatever, kid. I'll see in a week, you know?

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay. So I just thought now I. I had a whole week to obsess about what I was gonna do or supposed to do with that scene, you know, and. And just thought, all right, let's.

[KFC]

Let.

[Charlie Sheen]

Let's. Let's try this. Because Sean, who's five years older, was already killing it. You know, he did Bad Boys, did. You know, big, big films, Fast Times, you know, and his whole thing was method. And you could tell, like, there'd be a party at the penthouse. And however Sean was behaving, if he was, like, really friendly, he was doing a comedy. If he was a fucking dick, he was doing a drama. And he just. He, like, lived it, like. Like mean to his parents. Right. I never had that in me.

[KFC]

Me.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, so. So I just thought, all right, I'm going to borrow a little bit from the Sean recipe, you know, so even.

[KFC]

Growing up, like, I mean, you're 11 years old, your father's acting, Francis Ford Copple, is, like, hanging out at the house, like, it still was not getting instilled in you. Like, this whole acting, all that, the.

[Charlie Sheen]

The. The fruits of it were, you know, and, you know, he. He had a party one night, and it was kind of. It was an adult thing, and we were. We were. We weren't told, stay in your rooms. The house wasn't like that. But it was kind of recommended that just be better if, you know, we just weren't a part of it, you know?

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

But then in the middle of, like, one of those gatherings, you know, dad comes and knocks on the door with. With Steve and Cindy Garvey. You know what I'm saying?

[KFC]

Just like, sure.

[Charlie Sheen]

Nice to meet you. Hey.

[KFC]

So I like this.

[Charlie Sheen]

Things like that, you know, just kind of seeing, like, the kind of lifestyle that could come as a result of being successful, even moderately successful.

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

I was.

[John]

I actually just read Josh Brolin's memoirs, and he.

[Charlie Sheen]

I started it. I started it and then had to start this instead. Yeah.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

But I really liked what I read.

[John]

He had a very cool story about kind of a similar thing to you, where he. He was a young kid and his father brought over Marlon Brando and Marlon Brando's wife, whoever she was at the time. John Travolta and Travolta's wife at the time, and Marlon Brando cut his leg, and then Travolta healed it with Scientology, and he was like, So I realized, pretty. That young. That, like, LA was a wild place.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow. Wow. Did he witness the actual healing?

[John]

I, I, I don't think it was a technical. Not.

[Charlie Sheen]

Because that's not real. I mean, just that detail. Yeah, just that detail.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

But that's fiction. But did the bleeding stop?

[John]

I, I don't think so. I think he was kind of saying. He was rubbing his hand over it, and he was like, what is happening?

[KFC]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay. Okay.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I mean, yeah, you were in Hollywood, you know, right out of the gates. Like, let me ask you about the name change.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[KFC]

Because I, I have been following all your media, and I've either missed it or maybe you haven't talked about it much, but was that. And, like, the fact that, you know, you and your father did, and then Emilio didn't, and was that just talk. Me, talk to me about that, like, because that. I feel like that's something that could have. Maybe things would have been totally different if you were Carlos Estevez.

[Charlie Sheen]

Interesting.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, I, I, I had been Charlie for a long time because I had an Uncle Carlos.

[KFC]

Okay, so. So Charlie was already part of your regular life. Yes. Got it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay. Yeah. Charlie from, like, age. Age six. Yeah.

[KFC]

When I'm listening to the book and stuff, though, when you have, like, an inner monologue, you often say, carlos, was that.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Dramatic effect or.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, like how you think that's me talking to the child.

[KFC]

Okay.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's me. Like, you know, I think I say one time, relax, Carlos. We've been here before.

[KFC]

Yes.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's just like trying to really go.

[KFC]

Back to the beginning.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Or, or, or make sure that, that, that the kid is okay. Yeah.

[KFC]

Interesting.

[Charlie Sheen]

But, yeah, no, I, I just. Emilio had already gone with Estevez, and I just think Emilio Esteban has a great ring to it, you know? And I just like the sound of Charlie Sheen better. Yeah. I thought it'd be easier to remember.

[John]

You're both right, by the way.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[John]

You're both, you both made the exact.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Thank you.

[KFC]

What if, I mean, if you think, like, what would you say, I guess your father would be like Apocalypse now and West Wing. Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And you have, you also have Badlands.

[KFC]

So I was. My question was gonna be, what would you consider all of your top projects? Because in my mind, it would be West Wing and Apocalypse Now. You're probably Platoon and Two and a Half Men, Although you've got a few to choose from. And then he's got Ferris Bueller or Breakfast Club.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Mighty Ducks. You guys all have, like, iconic. At least a couple.

[Charlie Sheen]

Iconic kind of a trip. Yeah, I, I would like to be remembered for Major League, you know, I.

[John]

Mean, I know what mine.

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't ever. Like if I, if I'm flipping channels. Nobody flips channels, but you know what I'm saying, from scanning channels and it's on. I'll stop.

[KFC]

Really?

[Charlie Sheen]

It's the only film. It's the only film. There was one time when Platoon was on, and it was only. I stopped because I was curious about something, just a technicality and a, A particular scene, you know, But I wasn't like, oh, let me get emotionally invested in something I've already done where I know the ending.

[John]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

But, yeah, but Major League is, I'm not saying I, I, I'm not saying Major League is on par with Jaws, because when you're flipping and you find Jaws, you're watching till the end.

[John]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

It doesn't matter if you show up at the 4th of July or the opening scene. Right. So you, but that's, Yeah, I, I, I don't, I don't revisit a lot of stuff, but I, But I'm, I'm proud of that. I'm proud of Platoon. I think there's things.

[John]

Sorry to interrupt.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, it's all right.

[John]

I was just gonna say, is your hesit. Hesitancy to revisit because you don't want to think about the headspace you were in while filming, or is it just like you have other interests?

[Charlie Sheen]

I know I could do it better now. Yeah. It's frustrating, and I get that it represents that moment in time and it's captured then and there for those reasons, but you still, you want to fucking change it, man, and you can't. That was what was interesting about two and a half or even some of Spin City was watching an episode and seeing something I didn't like or a color that, you know, I didn't wear well. And then the next week, literally, like five days, six days later, I have a chance to improve on it. Yeah. You know, and, and that. You can't get that with a movie.

[KFC]

That's right. You get one shot, right?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Yeah. And then you see it nine months.

[KFC]

Later and, and especially sitcoms back then, you know, 24 episodes a season. So, yeah, it's a lot, by the way, Pretty nice when you're making 2 million episodes. When I heard 2 million episodes, I was Thinking kind of this day's terms, I was like, wait a minute. That's like 50 million bucks.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, but I only. But that's the season I flamed out.

[KFC]

Oh, no.

[Charlie Sheen]

Think about it. Yeah, yeah. But good timing. Sheen could have done that.

[KFC]

When you're making 100k.

[Charlie Sheen]

Holy.

[John]

Right.

[KFC]

But of course, because those two things go together.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

You know what I mean? Like, that level of success and money is when you're gonna flame out, you know?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I thought that was very cool that by all accounts, from Denise, you, almost everybody was like, I should have never come back for that season or done anger management, whatever it was. It was like, I'm not in a good space and they're just throwing money at you. And it makes you realize how much some of those people are just like, we're just using you. We just want more episodes, more series.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure, sure. At that point, it's just, it's all about commerce.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's why in the book, when I talk about Les Moonvest coming to my house. Right. And, and when I told him, you know, I appreciated the offer for the jet to go to rehab, and I said, I'm going to do this at home and do it by myself. Don't worry, I got this. Right. And I described, I, I, I, I don't know verbatim, but I described the look on his face as, as.

[John]

You.

[Charlie Sheen]

Know, it was a look of, of, of sadness that had nothing to do with commerce. And, and, and I described that man as a, as a, as a, as a, as a good dude and a gangster. Yeah. Waiting to get yelled at about that. You know what I'm saying?

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Because he got sent to the cornfield.

[John]

Oh, did he?

[Charlie Sheen]

For.

[John]

Did it was the, the negotiation you guys had at your house? I think where he came out, you guys are speaking to the media and he's calling you his cleanup hitter. Right before that, were you guys kind of fight. Because I just noticed his body language in that. I was like, oh, he does not seem happy with Charlie Sheen right now.

[Charlie Sheen]

Interesting.

[John]

I guess that could be because of everything that was happening at the time.

[Charlie Sheen]

I think it might have predated the whole, the big mess, because I think that looked like. Was there like a party in the background? Yes, I think it would have been at like one of the up front months.

[John]

Oh, okay.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, one of the TV event things, you know, or it would have been something, I don't know, celebrating 100 episodes or something like that. So I, I think in that we, we were still, we were still cool.

[John]

I thought. I thought he kind of just got away fast. And I was like, oh, I noticed that. But I was wrong.

[Charlie Sheen]

Interesting. I think it's a testament you could be right. Yeah.

[KFC]

It seems like all these people connected with you enough that, yeah, there's business and commerce, but. But John Crier, your ex wives, like, these people are still invested in you as a person. I think there's a reason why.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'll take it. Yeah, I'll take it. No, no, that. That. That feels really good.

[John]

How is.

[KFC]

How's your relationship with your dad?

[Charlie Sheen]

It's. It's excellent.

[KFC]

Yeah. Like, I was wondering, because I was just. I have kids myself and.

[Charlie Sheen]

How many do you have?

[KFC]

I have two. I have a boy and a girl.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, wow.

[KFC]

10 and 8. So hopefully they're not mixed up. Mixed up with drugs yet. But, like, I'm sure there was, you know, there was the intervention and the effort when he kind of went public for you while you were in the hospital.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[KFC]

And then, you know, ups and downs and relapses. I'm sure that's like, taxing. But was there ever. Did it ever, you know, reach a breaking point or was it. You guys were always still like family.

[Charlie Sheen]

And love that particular thing that, that. That moment that you point out. Yeah. We didn't speak for about three months.

[KFC]

Wow.

[Charlie Sheen]

And when I was in rehab, I can't remember this dude's name, but, you know, I was really bitter, really bitter just about family stuff, you know, and he was bitter about his family, you know, and he was like, well, fuck it, I'm going to Hawaii for Christmas. And I'm like, well, fuck it, I'm going with you. And, you know, I still am wearing an ankle bracelet. I'm on fucking probation. I'm not going anywhere. Right. But I made a plan with that dude. We were spending Christmas away from our families together in Hawaii. I'd known him for an hour, you know, hopefully some.

[John]

When he's bringing the dough, coming over like the wall.

[Charlie Sheen]

How about that?

[KFC]

That's like straight out of a movie itself. Throwing a bag into the mud and you're trying to get high in rehab. Or how about. Do you think if you didn't show up to rehab that day, would you have been a man of your word and given that girl a million bucks?

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[KFC]

Were you, like, you actually knew I'm coming back to my.

[Charlie Sheen]

I knew I was coming back and I, and I just. There was, was. There was no chance I was going to be late because let's say I was 10 minutes late and she was into, like, you know, she wanted it prorated. Right. It's like, you know, or 50. And she would have had a case.

[John]

Yeah, absolutely.

[KFC]

Contract.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, we shook on.

[KFC]

Yeah, that must have been, as you described, just the worst. Like, the best and the worst. Like, oh, good, he's come back to get healthy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[John]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

That look on her face was just. All of that. It was awesome.

[John]

Have you ever made an offer like that that you had to make good on?

[Charlie Sheen]

Gosh, it's a great question. I mean, she'll, I don't think she'll be too mad. I, I, I wrote a check to Denise once for a million dollars on her birthday, kind of as a joke, and she kept it. Not as a joke.

[John]

And then I said, that's not the joke I'm laughing at.

[Charlie Sheen]

And then it's like a month later, writer cashed it, you know, And I was like, I don't know.

[KFC]

I don't know. I don't know what's funnier if they are.

[Charlie Sheen]

They are. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Which makes it sting more. So. But, you know, if I'm on the other side of that, I'm, I'm probably cashing that. Yeah. Yeah. Right, right.

[KFC]

At the very least, we'll have a discussion after I cash it. But I'm getting that in the bank.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right, Right, right. She could have let me know just maybe on the day of. Hey, you sound like you're driving somewhere. Yeah, to the bank, actually. And so, yeah, you're about to be down seven figures. But I guess there's gratitude that there was enough money in that account for that check not to bounce. Right. Yeah.

[KFC]

You're doing pretty good if you can accidentally give people a million bucks.

[Charlie Sheen]

But it was more about the gesture in the moment. It might have been her birthday. Yeah, it's. I don't know.

[John]

Now I have you. You said something in the doc that I, I understand this question is a little personal, so if you don't want to answer that's fine.

[Charlie Sheen]

All right.

[John]

But you said Heidi fleiss cost you $100 million.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

What was. That Was.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Total exaggeration. That's like the 47, 000 women.

[John]

Yeah, man. But again, it did give me pause.

[KFC]

Where I was like, did somehow he run up nine figures?

[John]

But my question was more not even really about Heidi and her stuff. It was more just like, how much money do you think you've spent in your life?

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow. That's a. That's a good question.

[KFC]

Drugs, women, clothes, trips.

[Charlie Sheen]

I. I mean, I. I think I'm probably 50. 50 with the government. Just saying. I don't know. I don't know. Because we'll guess, and then they'll do that thing.

[John]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

You'll have to defend.

[John]

And then that's how the Internet works.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[John]

Sneaky in its own tail.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Tim will call me. I'm like, all right, I'll fly back to New York. Jesus Christ.

[KFC]

You know what, Charlie? Let's do a little viral moment here. Write me a check for a million bucks.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, my God.

[KFC]

See if I cash it or not.

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't know. I have a debit card. That is it.

[John]

I have a friend who has gotten sober and stuff like that, and he has a very funny story. I was asking him about his apartment, and he says, he doesn't even have a couch. And I was like, dude, why don't you even have a couch? And he went, I'm sober now. If I have enough people in my house that they need to sit down, I'm doing something bad.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow. Wow, that's interesting. What about, like, when he's alone and wants to watch the ball game on the floor? Does he have a bar lounger or something?

[John]

He's got one chair.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay, okay.

[John]

All right.

[Charlie Sheen]

But that's pretty interesting.

[KFC]

But. But makes sense, right? Like, you were clean at one point. Someone just showed up at your house with some crack, I believe it was. And it's like, you're not. You were trying to do good, and. But all of a sudden, you know, falls in your lap. And it's like. That made me realize, like, boy, you can. You can do your best, but other people are not serious with it or taking that into account and.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

You know, you're right back in the fox fire.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, but. But today's plan kind of accounts for that in advance. You know what I'm saying? And it's not like, you know, not like I. I'm on the lookout or. Or I'm on a constant state of. Of. Of you Know, alert. But just kind of just knowing if, if that. First of all, why am I there? Start with that. That one's on me. Right. And then. Yeah, just, I just, I, I've already seen the scenario happen with the, with the much better result.

[John]

Right.

[KFC]

You know. All right. Put the crack away.

[Charlie Sheen]

The.

[John]

Towards the end of the documentary, and I was talking about this recently, watching an episode of White Lotus, and someone.

[KFC]

Is a sex addict.

[John]

And I was thinking, what an awful addiction. Because it's something you have to do, right? Like, to live, you must have sex.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[John]

Being a person. But to also still be addicted, having to keep that addiction at bay, which one would you say has. Was your most difficult dragon to kill for? Dragon to slay, so to speak?

[Charlie Sheen]

Booze.

[John]

That's what I thought you said at.

[Charlie Sheen]

The end of the documentary.

[John]

Yeah, that surprised me.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, booze.

[KFC]

It was drugs, booze. Sex for you with, like, the three that you were. Did you ever have gambling or anything like that?

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah, yeah. But I, I, I retired from gambling. You know, semi beaten into submission. But, But I, I'm not like a recovered gambler. No, I just. And I went out on a big win.

[John]

Oh, yeah?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. It was the Pacquiao fight. It was in 09, December of 09. Against de la Hoya.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I was stuck bad. Like, head to Mexico bad?

[John]

No.

[Charlie Sheen]

And some dude, like, said, you know, that this is, this is a surefire bet. And anybody that wants to bet a Denise birthday size check on that, I'm taking those wagers. And I was like, well, go fuck yourself. Because I had a dream two nights ago that Pacquiao knocked him out in the eighth round. Yeah.

[John]

Is that what happened?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. So I bet money I didn't have and just based on a dream. Any TKO in the eighth round? Really? Yeah. So I went out on a win.

[John]

Was that dream sober or.

[Charlie Sheen]

It was somewhere between the two. Yeah. Yeah. And no. And I, and I, and I went out on a win, but during the win, felt nothing. Didn't feel, didn't feel that thing. And I was like, okay, all right. So unless my kids are the wager. Right.

[John]

There's nothing then.

[Charlie Sheen]

Nothing there. Yeah. And I was like, cool. So it was just like, it was a gift. Gift.

[John]

That was just your job. Everything else.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Just paid the guy and Crazy. Landed the plane, you know? Yeah, man. George.

[KFC]

Turned George off and landed the plane.

[John]

Yeah, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, they're.

[KFC]

You gotta, you gotta wrap up. Oh, like six more hours. But I do just want to quickly say, because I had a couple notes Here.

[John]

While you're looking it up, I just want to say Shout out. Tony Todd. What a game.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah man. That guy.

[John]

The fact that you have that guy who's been in your life for five generations, never touched a drug, had one sip alcohol hall and seems like the sweetest guy crazy is like what is, what is he thinking? Like, like, were you calling him up? Don't they like how, how did that friendship survive?

[Charlie Sheen]

It was different lives. I, it just, he just one of my most favorite people to have around in any situation, you know, And I, I just figured if something he saw something he didn't want to be a part of, he could, you know, he could leave the room. Yeah, right. An adult. But I also didn't do a lot of the hard stuff in front of him just out of respect, you know?

[John]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[KFC]

Yeah. It doesn't like you had a code despite everything. There were certain rules. You didn't drive drunk. He wouldn't do certain things.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

And I, I. There's a couple things and we'll let you go. You said a couple things that really resonate. Just simple stuff. A man has to know his limitations. Said consequences of autonomy and the freedom of risk. And those are things. Those were two concepts where I was like, we're getting into some deep here.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[KFC]

It's drugs and partying and like fun stories. But also there's some real here.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, that's the thing I, I talk about, about telling dad I'm not taking his advice the third time. Yeah.

[John]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I mean, there's some really cool stuff and, and my favorite part of all this is you told your story, you explained you didn't have excuses, but you were like, it's not an excuse, but there's a reason why a relapse or something bad.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[KFC]

And then despite all of this, I don't think there's one person you tore down in any way.

[Charlie Sheen]

No.

[KFC]

Never really spoke bad about an ex or somebody who screwed you over or a drug dealer or anything. Like you told your story. Very sympathetic side of things, but never, you know, prop yourself up a little bit without tearing people down. And that's. It makes it so much easier to enjoy and understand what's like, all right, he's not doing a gossipy tell all. Yeah. He's not harming anybody else. You know, it seems like even you and Heidi Fleiss could go out to dinner right now and just like be cool.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, I'm open to it and you know, it's, and what I say in the Book, you know, and since that day, we've never spoken since. Or that thing. Right. And she was at the premiere for the doc, and I didn't even get a chance to say hello. So that we've been in the same place now, like a month ago. But what. That line in the book still holds true. And I wanted to have some interaction with her at the premiere because her version of events in the document, you know, she left out that big middle piece, you know, ass. That part's fine. It's the tax evasion. She just. She just blew past, you know, do it on.

[KFC]

Do the Charlie Sheen show, episode one of the podcast, Heidi Fights.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow.

[KFC]

Do it under the Barstool Sports umbrella.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow. She's the first guest.

[John]

I think it would do.

[KFC]

Do numbers.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's what this guy's. Bring her out right now. Yeah. Oh, my God. That would be awesome.

[John]

Awesome.

[Charlie Sheen]

Is Tim gonna. Is he gonna join us?

[KFC]

So we got a quick couple minutes because they're gonna kill me otherwise. But you're the man who made this all happen, so I owe you and a huge debt of gratitude. And also just some of the. This guy's crazy too.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah.

[KFC]

Living in Montana with the generator. Doesn't know about Internet until he's 18. He's got the beat off cabin.

[John]

He's got it all, man. I told about the beat off cabin.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, okay. Wow.

[KFC]

But this is another like. Like, it seems like you surround yourself with some good people, man. Like, he's a good dude.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's one of. One of the finest, this gentleman. Yes, indeed. Yeah. And we met through.

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[Charlie Sheen]

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[KFC]

That's right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[John]

From Barstool Sports.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, my gosh.

[John]

2020. And they filmed it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow.

[KFC]

He was explaining how much Navy SEALs has had an impact on the Navy and the military. It's, like, crazy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[KFC]

I know all of the movies. Right? But, like. And I. I know Navy seals, but I wouldn't think of that as one of your most, like, impactful but yeah. And you got seals sending you cigars.

[Charlie Sheen]

I. I know. And Jack. Jack Carr the other day talking about it and like, them being on a mission and quoting the movie.

[KFC]

It's crazy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like, outside the compound.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like, on the night. They're gonna. They're gonna. They're gonna breach. Yeah.

[John]

It's like, wow.

[Charlie Sheen]

I was a part of that. It's.

[KFC]

It's surreal in this music video. Like, got this sound.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Got the. The country career up. And, like, I mean, it's cool. I mean, it's got to be cool for you to have him direct and then you're doing the music thing. It's just. It's cool when, like, artistic people and creative people meet up and there's a. Like, you said that normal. You know, you guys are normal guys, and it just clicks and works.

[Charlie Sheen]

Absolutely. And Eddie Braun bought the car from Navy seals. Oh, the red. It's a Cutlass. Yeah, yeah. And. And so I, I actually, I bought it, restored it, put a big engine in it, sold it to Eddie. Might have shaken him down a little bit, Whatever. And then we used that car in that video.

[KFC]

Wow.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's the car. That's the car from the movie. In the video. Yeah.

[John]

BTS, we almost rolled the car over. GoPro on the front and an iPad laying under the controlling the pedals. This hand. Remember that?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But There was a two second delay from the GoPro to the iPad.

[John]

He wasn't seeing real time.

[Charlie Sheen]

He couldn't.

[John]

I'm looking up at a drone going. I'm mostly. And I started yelling left, because he's going right for this ditch.

[KFC]

And he hits it.

[John]

We all. The car almost flipped over.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's on film. Yeah.

[John]

Pretty wild.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I'm. And I'm. I'm directing and I'm looking at the. At the. You know, where they're like, what, What? The road they've chosen.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I'm like, isn't there. Like, there's. There's another road, like, right there. Yeah, it's in shade. We want the sunlight. And I'm like, yeah, but there's that thing with the big pipe.

[John]

Yeah, it's like a pretty good drop. And then the cops showed up right afterwards because a crazy old country gal had called the cops and said, there's a car driving itself, which it was.

[Charlie Sheen]

Seriously. Wow.

[John]

That's crazy.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow. So that was actually the. The first autonomous vehicle, when you think about it. Yeah, man. Wow.

[KFC]

I appreciate you, dude.

[Charlie Sheen]

But no, just the way this came together, I think is. Is really cool. And I think it just speaks to, you know, when. When. When somebody does something that really matters, that. That really touches you or really is impactful or. Or just is. Is just done out of goodness. It's. It's important to reach out, man.

[KFC]

Dude.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, right?

[KFC]

Thank you, brother.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I mean, no one's ever really done that in, like, my whole career. The fact that you, of all people are the first one to do it is, like. And I don't even consider. It's not like I did something, you know, heroic. I just made my video. But the fact that you took the time is. Is awesome, man.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh. I was watching it, like, oh, hell, yeah. Go get him, my man.

[John]

I know he said, I.

[KFC]

For better or worse. People tell me, I get my news from you, and I'm like, I don't know if that's a good.

[John]

Good thing, but I'll take it. Bums me out that I watch his.

[Charlie Sheen]

Did you see the chopper thing the other day?

[KFC]

What?

[Charlie Sheen]

The chopper thing the other day. The helicopter, the helicopters. It was nuts, right?

[KFC]

Who would have thought that flying helicopters, like, right over people.

[Charlie Sheen]

Something could go wrong. Yeah. Jesus.

[John]

All right, brother, you got to get.

[KFC]

Going on to the next stop. Okay, but this time, you want. Come on back. Whatever you need.

[Charlie Sheen]

This was awesome. This is awesome. Thank you. Thank you.