Feits Recaps Touring With Bert Kreischer (Weekend 1): His First ARENAS

Summary

KFC Radio: Feits Recaps Touring With Bert Kreischer (Weekend 1): His First ARENAS

Podcast: KFC Radio (Barstool Sports)
Release Date: November 18, 2025
Hosts: Kevin "KFC" Clancy, John "Feitelberg" Feitelberg, Jackie Nichols
Main Theme:
Feitelberg returns to KFC Radio after his first weekend on tour performing stand-up in ARENAS as an opener for Bert Kreischer. The episode offers a deep dive into his journey from Barstool blogger/podcaster to arena stand-up, the emotions, challenges, and wild behind-the-scenes moments from the road—including his first time hitting the big stage, camaraderie among standups, and some hilariously gross tour bus encounters.

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Episode Overview

Feitelberg (Feits) chronicles his initiation into arena-level stand-up comedy as a guest opener for Bert Kreischer’s national tour, reflecting on the nerves, excitement, and oddball happenings that come with life on the road. KFC and Jackie share their perspectives as friends, colleagues, and onlookers, both proud and amused by Feits’s transformation from Barstool fixture to bona fide comedian.

• Tour stops discussed: Hartford (CT), Baltimore (MD), Hershey (PA), Richmond (VA)
• Key guests: Bert Kreischer, Pete Lee, Ian Bagg

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. First-Time ARENA Stand-Up: Nerves, Prep, and Performance

(00:55–14:00, 39:35–58:00)

• Stage Presence Over Material:
  KFC and Jackie note that what stood out was Feits’s natural ease and “immediate stage command,” more than any single joke.

  “His stage presence was immaculate… he was so comfortable.” – KFC (02:18)
  “It was just himself… giggling, getting everyone to giggle with him.” – Jackie (02:55)

• Pre-Show Nerves & Support:
  The group reminisces waiting for Feits to go on, with friends and family in attendance amplifying the pressure:

  “I felt like I was watching one of my kids go on stage.” – KFC (06:08)

• Backstage Chaos:
  Feits relays the stress of being told he needed to hit 15 minutes “exactly,” with a stage manager pacing and insisting on minute-precision.

  “If you’re not gonna be 15 minutes exactly, then, God, tell me ahead of time… Make it 12 then, just say 12!” – Jackie paraphrasing crew (04:02)

• Imposter to Comic Transition:
  The hosts reflect on how people tend to “freeze your first impression,” but a career can change:

  “He started as a blogger and a podcast… 30 years from now it's like, well, I've been a stand up comedian for 25 years…” – KFC (01:56)

2. Being Mentored by Bert Kreischer & Pete Lee

(26:22–29:50, 48:48–52:57)

• Mentorship Moments:
  Bert pulls Feits aside pre-show to offer wisdom—noting the size of the room “doesn’t matter”—and offers post-show notes, all with the energy of a true comedic mentor.

  “He was giving me advice... what's the biggest crowd you've ever done? ...Ah. Then it’s the same… you don’t need advice.” – Feitelberg on Bert (46:57)

  Pete Lee acts as a cheerleader:

  “Pete's waiting for me offstage every night being like, 'You're awesome. You killed it.'” – Feits (51:33)

• Constructive Critique:
  Pete Lee and Bert provide real-time feedback: Don’t move so much on stage (avoid giving the cameras a workout), and always ditch the hat so facial expressions can sell a joke.

3. Comedians’ Camaraderie, Road Life & Bus Culture

(19:11–25:42, 60:19–62:22, 61:38–62:38)

• Tour Bus Sleepovers & Adult Bonding:
  The comedians highlight the magical, almost childlike, fun of life on the “tricked out” bus—a rare chance for adult sleepovers, watching movies, shooting jokes, and decompressing after the show.

  “It's the closest thing you get to an adult sleepover.” – KFC (19:12)
  “It’s the best sleep I’ve ever had in my life.” – Feits (60:43)

• Inclusion and Friendliness:
  All on Bert’s crew, per Feits, have been “the nicest, most supportive, encouraging people”—countering toxic stereotypes about stand-up.

• Earning the Spot:
  The hosts reflect on how you don’t get to open for Bert just because you’re funny; you have to fit in off-stage too.

4. Biggest Stages—What Changes (Or Doesn’t) in Comedy

(46:57–48:01, 50:40–57:53)

• Crowd Size Revelation:
  On stage, once the lights hit, you only see the first few rows; after that, it’s a “black abyss,” which helps reduce nerves.

  “You can see the first few rows... after that, it’s just black out there.” – Feits (47:08)

• Material Evolves Night-To-Night:
  Feits learns to adjust his set both in duration and in tone depending upon crowd, region, and feedback.

  “Doing 10 [minutes]... hits a lot, not as much quiet tension.” – Feits (58:38)

• Risk-Taking, Tension & ‘Proper’ Comedy:
  Jokes are sometimes “tense” or push the envelope, but never for shock’s sake. Finding the right edge without “trying to get cancelled” is essential.

  “Getting the groans, but then getting the laugh is like the best you can do.” – KFC (59:16)

5. Gross-Out Comedy, Ear Hygiene & Tour Bus Hazards

(19:49–25:40, 64:00–66:06)

• The Infamous Ear Cleaning:
  A “hygienist” on tour volunteers to clean anyone’s ears. Feits brags (then regrets) having never used Q-tips—his “jackpot” ears are displayed for all.

  “She was sticking needles in my head… I didn’t know I had an itch there for 20 years… I felt a lot better now.” – Feitelberg (65:00)

• Jackie and KFC’s Ear Confessions:
  The hosts banter on the allure (and repulsion) of earwax-removal videos and whether Jackie must now undergo the same procedure on air.

6. Imposter Syndrome, Confidence, and Peer Validation

(12:03–14:35, 72:21–73:33)

• Overcoming Doubt:
  The crew talks about fighting imposter syndrome, the need for real confidence, and that even established comics bomb—so the journey never ends.

• The Gift of Support:
  Bert’s simple post-show praise hits different:

  “There was… a look where he’s like, ‘You’re so good.’... That was the first time I ever felt like I was actually good.” – Feitelberg (72:21)

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Notable Memorable Moments & Quotes (w/ Timestamps)

• On Feits’s Stage Presence:

  • “His stage presence was immaculate.” — KFC (02:18)
  • “He turns… he has the perfect… laugh at yourself in the right amount.” — Jackie (08:04)
  • “You could stop today with his stage command…” — KFC (02:46)
  • “I hate talking up there. I like just hanging out, and be like, yeah.” — Feitelberg (48:18)

• On the Nerves:

  • “Nerves are starting to set in.” — Feitelberg (05:27)
  • “I felt like I was watching my kid go on stage.” — KFC (06:08)

• Mentorship & Feedback:

  • “He was giving me advice…then he goes, ‘Ah, then it’s the same. You don’t need advice. It’s the exact same then.’” — Feitelberg recounting Bert Kreischer (46:57)
  • “Pete’s waiting for me offstage every night being like, ‘You’re awesome. You killed it.’” — Feitelberg (51:33)
  • “Bert was telling me ‘don’t wear a hat on stage.’ So much of the joke is in your eyes.” — Feitelberg (53:57)

• On Crowd Size:

  • “After that, it’s kind of just black out there.” — Feitelberg (47:11)

• Gross-Out Ear Cleaning:

  • “She keeps going, giving me, like, knowing nods. She’s going, ‘You’re doing it right. No Q-tips.’ I was like, I don’t think I’m doing it right. I’m the only disgusting freak in the room!” — Feitelberg (65:41)

• On the Comedy ‘Bus’:

  • “It’s the best sleep I’ve ever had in my life.” — Feitelberg (60:43)
  • “It’s the closest thing to an adult sleepover…” — KFC (19:12)

• On the Turning Point:

  • “There’s a lot on the horizon now… It’s kind of like launch pad to just go now.” — KFC (33:46)
  • “Now it’s just like consistency… One day he’ll look up and he’ll be doing arenas on his own.” — Jackie (33:55)

• Validation from Bert:

  • “...when we got into the room afterwards, and Bert just kind of gave me a look where he’s like, ‘You’re so good.’”—Feitelberg (72:35)

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Other Highlights

• Arenas vs. Comedy Clubs:
  Feits discusses how few comics in the world can actually do arena-size tours (Bert, Tom, Kevin Hart, etc.) and recognizes the uniqueness of his own opportunity.

  “Arena tours? Probably like 15 people can do that…” — KFC (67:12)

• Balancing Comedy, Content Creation, & Life:
  The group explores how live experience and stepping outside comfort zones fuels not only comedy, but all creative work.

  “Living is the most important thing… you have stories now.” — KFC (76:56)

• Quirky On-Tour Moments:
  Bert banning hats, the “frolicking” walk-on, and the banter about who snores loudest on the bus.

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Conclusion: The New Chapter

Feits’s first week as an arena opener for Bert Kreischer is a rousing success—judged by the laughter in the crowd, the praise of peers, and the support of friends. The KFC Radio crew is both reflective and celebratory, recognizing a turning point as their once-blogger-turned-podcaster friend steps boldly into the stand-up spotlight.

> “It’s like meeting a new John…I think it's just comedian John.” — Jackie (82:54)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Intro & First Impressions: 00:55–14:35
• Pre-Show Nerves & Insight: 39:35–45:57
• Mentorship & Comedy Lessons: 46:57–53:57
• Ear Cleaning Debacle: 64:00–66:45
• Arena Tour Life & Bus Culture: 19:11–25:42; 60:19–62:22
• On Stage, On Confidence: 72:21–74:05
• Comedy Community Reflections: 74:29–78:10
• Wrap-Up & Next Steps: 82:42–83:02

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Behind-the-scenes standup stories | Humorous Barstool friendship dynamics | Comedy career transitions | The weird, gross, and heartwarming life of the road

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But you had a little moment of like, keep going. And I was like, oh, no.

[B]

I was like, he's gonna be thinking.

[A]

About that the rest of the night. All right, it's another edition of KFC Radio on the Barstool sports network. We are waiting for Feidelberg to get back to give his account of his week so far on tour with Bert Kreischer. We all went up to see him in Hartford last Thursday night and since then he went to Baltimore, Hershey, Pennsylvania, I think another spot, coming back home to do the episode and then back out to the Midwest with Bert. So Johnny Arenas will tell you his whole experience now that he is just a full blown standup comedian.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is one of those things. It's funny because, you know, I kind of think it's like where you start is like where everybody thinks of you. Like your first impression. Like, he. He started as a blogger and a podcast.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Um, but when you think about it, like, there's so much life ahead of him that 30 years from now it's like, well, I've been a stand up comedian for like 25 years and I was a blogger for a fraction of that. You know what's crazy?

[C]

Like, didn't Burt like.

[A]

Yeah, Burt was on TV doing like travel channel vlogs and. And all that. So that's what I mean. Like.

[C]

That was.

[A]

He's just a stand up comedian.

[C]

Yeah. Like, seeing him on stage, I was.

[A]

Like, oh, well, that's that was crazy. That was crazy. I. I'll let you. I'll let him give his account. But, like, the jokes were funny. His material was good. Nothing, you know, earth shattering. Like, oh, my God, that was the best joke I've ever heard. But his stage presence was immaculate. Yeah, that, like, there's. There's always room to grow on, like, your material and all that. But the stage. He could stop today with his, like, stage command and he'd be like.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? He was so comfortable.

[C]

It was so. It was. Yeah, it was like the pausing. It was the, like laughing at himself.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Kind of giggling. Getting everyone to giggle with him.

[A]

Just being. It was just himself, like, kind of.

[C]

Like what I was talking about being a conductor. We'll get more into it later.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll wait for John because. But that was like. That was what I was really impressed with. I was saying that room was so big, if they asked me to just, like, go up and do a sound check, I'd be like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous up here. Like that we said ahead of time, you know, I don't think he's going to be nervous. Then I saw all the people and I was like, how the. Could you not be nervous? So we'll get more on his insight. But I can tell you from my point, I was nervous watching him.

[C]

I was. Well, I was with him too.

[A]

Yeah, I was in the crowd. You were back. You might. So you were watching him firsthand.

[C]

And he. And he wasn't nervous. Wasn't nervous. But I could tell, like, he was definitely a little slightly back.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then. And then they go. And they try and tell him the directions, like, the stage directions, they were like, okay, so you're gonna do this. You're gonna introduce Pete. You're gonna do all this. And like, you could tell that as he was. And the guy. I mean. Yeah, I'll let him explain it. But, like, the guy was so nice. But he was making him nervous, being like, do you think that you're gonna be 15 minutes exactly? If you're not gonna be 15 minutes exactly, then, like, then, God, tell me ahead of time. And fights was like, I mean, I think I'll be 15. I have 15 planned. And the guy was like, well, are you sure that you have 15 planned? And then fights was like, well, I don't know. Yeah. He was like, well, what if I, like, go a little faster? You know, what if I'm, like, nervous and I go a little faster? He's like, well, then I need to know now. And so then, so then fight. So then Vice was like, he was literally standing up and, like, pacing around the room, this guy, and being like, okay, well then, then just make it 12 then. Just say 12. Let's plan for 12 minutes. And the guy was like, okay, but then Bert's gonna be waiting for three minutes off stage, so do you want that? So you got with him.

[A]

Was this, like, Burt being like, go fuck with him.

[C]

Because his first time is so nice. Like, this guy's, like, just trying. He's just really good at his job. But as somebody who's so nervous, like, you don't, you don't want to, like, have somebody sitting there second guessing you before you even second guess yourself. So then he's like, he's like, okay, it's fine. But just, like, three minutes is a long time for, for Bert to wait, like, on the side. And Bert wouldn't have given a fuck, but this guy's just trying to, like, do so then, so then I just, like, started to kind of freak out, being like, okay, then no, then I have 15 minutes playing. I'm pretty sure I could just, I'll just do the 15 minutes. And then, like, the guy left. And I was like, do you want to run through, like, your 15 minutes? And that probably didn't help because then he was like, no, I know that I have 15 minutes.

[A]

I spoke to him, like, maybe half hour to go.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, I'm here. Like, if you want me to come backstage, cool. If you don't, fine. And he was like, no, like, just stay put. And I could kind of hear his voice a little bit. I was like, are you all right? He was like, nerves are starting to set in. Nerves are starting to set in. Like, I'm definitely doing some pacing.

[C]

Well, you called me and you were like, hey, we're here.

[A]

Like, oh, yeah?

[C]

Should we, should we call or should we come to the back? Or do you want us to stay here? And I'm looking at him now pacing. Like, now he's freaking out. So I was on the phone kind of, and I didn't want to tell you, like, hey, I don't think it's a good time. He's kind of freaking out because I couldn't say that in front of him. So I just go, it's come back here. Well, you can. And then, and then he just grabs the phone and then he explains it.

[A]

But I mean, I, I, I, I felt like I was watching one of my kids, like, Go on stage to do something like. Like that level of nerves where I'm always like, please make this free throw, Shay. Or like, you know, keegan, catch that ball or whatever. So I actually have some footage. I didn't do it. I didn't even look at it yet, but I filmed myself just as he went on, because I think I. I think you could, like, see it on my face. I was like. I was like, sitting there nervous, but I knew there was a couple people in my section who recognized me, so I. I didn't want to put out. I wanted to just be like, yeah, it's my boy. He's gonna crush. What we talking about?

[C]

But.

[A]

But it was that, like. I mean, I just think back to, like, some of the shows we've done. I mean, we did. We did a decent amount of shows over the years, and, like, down to the last time we did one, I was nervous, I was sweating. I was, you know, like, just every time nervous. And so I don't know what I would have been like in front of that many people. And he was cool as a cucumber, at least that he projected that. I actually really didn't get a chance to talk to him much afterwards about, like, how nervous was he? But if he was, he hit it very well. Like, just really, really good. Walking back and forth, playing with the mic stand, leaning on it, holding the mic, chuckling. Yeah, like you said, like, pausing. Like, I. That was another thing. I felt like, have to fill the air every second. If there's a. There's a two second, like, one, two of silence, it feels like two hours, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Then you just start babbling and then that sucks, you know? And he would set the premise up and then, like, look around, like, you guys get what I'm doing. Yeah, you see? Okay, now go. Like all those things that are either. I don't know what's more impressive is if he worked on that or. And. And figured it out or if it's natural and he just can do it. But either way. Yeah, you're a comic.

[C]

It's like. It's like he. He turns. Yeah. I don't even know how to describe it. He has, like, the perfect, like, you know, how they. They stare out into the crowd and they laugh or whatever. And then, like, it gets. He just does it really well.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's that. That, like, laughing at yourself in the. In the right amount, in the right time, it makes it be like, okay, yeah, we're all here to laugh. Like, yeah. You know, did you like, was he. I knew because you guys have been doing the show and all that and auditions and stuff, but did he, like, run through his material with you or. He was going to and then we decided not to. That he was just going to rip it. And I've seen him go up now. I think I. We did five shows for. Or four shows for out of order. And I thought that was his best one that Bert. And I was like, that's incredible to be. To like, he rose. If he went and fell on his face the first time, I would have been like, almost, you know, to be expected, bro. And what I did not expect was for him to fit, like, right in. Like Pete Lee, Bert Kreischer. These are like lifelong comics. And he was just as, like, cool as they were.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is so awesome. And that's when I was just like, oh, this is it now. Like, now you just go from here, like. Because even I am like, okay, you're doing. You're doing stand up comedy. But I wouldn't be like, this is my friend John. He's. He's a stand up comic. But now I think I am. Now I think I'd be like, this John is a stand up comic.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It's gonna be cool to like, find something and then just know, okay, I just have to keep doing it until I.

[A]

And to be like, good enough at it right away that you're not like, it's you. If you suck and you're like, I'm gonna work on this, you can do that. And that's cool. But it's pretty hard when you're. If your first couple times you're like, I am really bad at this. Yeah, this is gonna take a miracle.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, this is like, to me, I'm just like, if you keep doing this, you will be just as good as, you know. I mean, you can't just be like, you'll be as good as Gillis or Borgazi or whatever those are, but you'll be in the mix. Like, if he just keeps going, there.

[C]

Is nothing, and I mean nothing, that sounds worse to me than doing set up comedy, actually. Like, I don't know why anybody would put them through that. As somebody who was socially anxious, like, the idea of bombing the worst. I don't know, like, what? And so props to anybody who feel it was A, naturally good at it and B, feels as though they can power through, like, the road that he has ahead of him to have to.

[A]

Because even like 20 years in, you're bombing. You know what I mean, you don't. You don't just, like, stop.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I also. Any sort of live stuff, to me is almost the same as gambling for me. Like, the thrill of winning was never even remotely as close as the. The feeling of. Of failing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, we would have a. A great live pod, and I'd be like, oh, okay. You guys enjoyed yourselves. Like, cool. Good. I was never, like, I feel, like, invigorated. I feel. Give me more. I'm fulfilled. I was just like, okay. People wanted us to do the show. We did it. They're happy. I'm happy. And if it went poorly, I'd be, like, suicidal, you know? So that. That feeling of, like, you really got to get a rush over doing it, right. And, like, succeeding, at least. I think we'll hear more from him on how he feels after he did it. Very, very impressive. Very, very cool. And the bar is just, like, so weirdly high now because it's like. You just did an arena.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You're gonna. He did. I mean, that. That Hershey park one was huge. You see that? It's called the Giant arena or something like that. It's like. Like, I. I got the picture, and I said, oh, that must be a different city, because there's no way Hershey park has a arena that size. And then I saw, like, the Jumbotron says Hershey, and it says, like, Giant Arena.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, yeah, okay.

[C]

Yeah, I think I've said this to him. But, like, as. As, you know, somebody who looks up to you guys a lot, like, it's really cool to see, like, you guys just always kind of going for it and just do it. Like him.

[A]

Well, I'm really impressed with him doing this.

[C]

Like, he. He. He just. He does it. He eats it. Like, he doesn't really think about, you know, like, do I deserve this? Should I? Whatever.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

He just went for it. Like, mascots, everything. Like, you guys do a very good job.

[A]

That. That's where I'm actually happy. He's. He's not the reason we're. He's not here yet, I think I said, but his plane is delayed and all that, sort of. So we just started to get. Get the episode done, but we'll hear from him. But. So I'm happy that he's not here now because I would never say this in front of him. Yeah. And I know he'd feel awkward about it, but, like, when we started. It started out like, he. He was like, can I be your intern? Which was always silly because we were like, almost the same age.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And same level of experience. Like, he started basically when I started, so that was always silly to. To call him that, but then. And then I started the podcast and asked him to join, and it just. In the beginning, it always felt like I was sort of doing it and John was along for the ride, and then he became such a big part of it that we were, like, partners in this. But when it came to a lot of just, like, the business side of stuff and. And guests and networking and some of that sort of like, I was always kind of steering the ship, and. And he would always say things like, I. I could never host. Like, I'm hat. Like, that's you. Like, I. And it went. The few times when he did host it, he would, like, act like he wasn't good at it or stumble through it or whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah. And watching him the last, like, probably, like, five years really come into his own in everything in terms of, like, his own opinions, his own, like, stood up for himself on content and outside of content, really, like, grew and matured in terms of dealing with the audience and haters and the Internet and all that. Sort of. Like, I've watched him. We've all watched him, but I've watched him go from, you know, kind of just like, along for the ride to, like, part of the ride to now making his own, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And in a way that is. You know, I always feel like a lot of the stuff any of this crew does kind of gets forgotten about or doesn't get the shine it deserves at barstool or some of the credit or attention or whatever you want to call it, and. But, like, this is really not getting enough attention. Like, yeah, this is a real. I mean, he's. He's stepping into the most popular arena of the last 10 years, let's call it in. Comedy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

With the best people in that realm. Do. Getting invited into it, stepping into it, doing it. Flaw. Basically. Flawlessly at his level.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And just going. Is, like, crazy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, that's like. It's like, you know, being a comic right now is like, you're one of the icons of culture. Right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's almost like if. If Pavs was just like, I'm playing in the NBA right now.

[C]

Like.

[A]

Right. That's your thing. You like basketball. And. And I hung out with. We did a couple interviews with Jalen Brunson, and Jalen Brunson said, why don't you come play with us against the Cavs tonight? That's kind of what Bert did. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, obviously that's a bit silly, but, like, in terms of, you know, there's athletes and entertainers and comics. Those are like, it. And. And he just did it.

[C]

What you're talking about, too. Like, you've seen him grow. Like, I also feel like in the last few years, he just decided, like, all right, I'm just, like, not. Like, he's just going to believe in himself.

[A]

Yes. That. That's really what it all comes at, yo. This whole game and whole, like, life. But this game particularly is just about confidence.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, I. I know for myself, I. I can absolutely say, like, the first half of my career, I had so much more confidence that, like, every time I was publishing a blog, I was like, that's funny. Or, that was unique, or, I was first or whatever. And I know it, and I'm acting like it. And it was better work because of it. And then, like, as you go on, you know, life happens, shit happens, people hate you, you. You know, whatever. And as soon as you start to question yourself a little bit, it just, like, the work kind of falls off, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so to, like, start really believe in yourself and really think it, really mean it and do it is 99 of the whole thing. Yeah, he's doing that, like, and to the max.

[C]

And also, like, I just. I had, well, a few cute moments in the green room. First of all, the only time I ever saw him, like, even after he was still pretty wound up, the only time I ever saw him relax was when you came in the room. And then he instantly, like, he, like, felt so much better. Like, you wouldn't have ever seen the difference. Whatever. There was another. Another moment where, like, he wouldn't. You went in the bathroom and then he went in. No, he went in the bathroom. And then you went in the bathroom, and you could hear, like, it was like a shot. It was like a locker room shower.

[A]

Yeah. That was a weird bathroom. You could just. Yeah. There was no door.

[C]

It was just giggling in there. Like, as soon as he walked in, he goes, dude. But then Bert was saying to you. He was, like, talking about one minute, man, and how huge it is. And now it's like the 20th time I've heard somebody be like, I get my news from you. Like, I. I go to you for, you know, to hear about what your take is. You always have a good take, whatever. But again, it kind of occurred to me, like, you two both have just been so, like, kind to everyone. Along the way. And you just have slowly, like, yeah, I just looked up and you guys were both like, bert was complimenting you. He had just done the stage, and you guys have been. Just haven't fucked anybody over. Haven't, like, whatever. You just head down, focus on your craft, and it's just cool to see you guys.

[A]

Thank you for that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean that. That. I for sure always tried to be nice to people, but not in terms of, like, for professional reasons. It's just nice. I just want to be nice to you and have friends and stuff. But there has been, you know, like, a few moments where I'm like, oh, it, like, really paid off to, like, stay in contact with that person or. Or not people over or whatever, like, get an invite to this thing or get to meet this person or do this, whatever. And it's like, oh, I think that was because we've, like, been good along the way to people or helped them or just been friends or whatever, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So. But I think when you do those things on purpose for. For the, like, the. To curry favor.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It doesn't work, you know, so you really have to do it genuinely, and then you might get to capitalize on it. But if you were doing it to try to capitalize it, like, doesn't.

[C]

Yeah. And you guys are not that way. Those type of people do that. It's just like, you just naturally, you.

[A]

Know, and like, to get. I think the main thing, like, when. When we did the podcast, I kind of put Bird on the spot to the point that, like, he. He might have been like, all right, I gotta, like, let him come on the show.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because like, that unfolded on camera or whatever. But the fact that he was just like, come along for, like, two weeks, that ain't happening. You're not going to forget about what. What you can do, do or not do on stage. You're not getting invited to go with Bert and his team all around the country unless he's like, I can hang with you and I like you and you're going to fit in. I told John, I said the. The thing I'm most curious about and most, like, jealous of is the. Is the bus, like, going on stage, killing it in front of an arena, like, very cool. And that is, like, the professional part that's important. You can go make money and be a star and all that, but, like, the bus is, like, tricked out, and it's kind of like an adult sleep. It's the closest thing you get to an adult sleepover.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You know, where you're not, like, partying. I always say this, like, my. Like, my dream is to be like, you guys want to, like, all just, like, hang out and watch a movie. We don't have to get up. We don't have to be out. You don't have to, like, you know, spend money, chase girls, be up late at night. Like, you just want to, like, play some video games and hang out, but you can't do that as an adult because you sound like a weirdo. But something like this is, like, you're all just kind of bunking up, and.

[C]

It'S a good excuse to just hang with your boys.

[A]

Yeah, right? Yeah. I think that they're like, I will find out. But I'm pretty sure they play movies and, like, listen to podcasts and just, like, around. And I'm like, that part sounds awesome.

[C]

But you know what might get him, like, kicked off and might ruin his career is just snoring.

[A]

Didn't think of that. Didn't think of that.

[C]

I think that I could see Bird.

[A]

Throwing him out the window.

[B]

I'm shocked they didn't kick him out.

[A]

After the years, that was the most. Okay, that's another thing. I'm happy again that he's not here now because we can collectively stage our intervention. Yeah, we need to have a talk to our boy about his ear hygiene. I mean, that happens to a lot of people. But if so Bert's on when the other thing with these guys, when they go on, on tour, especially Bert, because he, like, lives his life out there. He brings, like, a chef, a nutritionist, a trainer, a masseuse. This, like, anything you might possibly need. And so was that on the bus or was it at an arena? I think that was. Oh, at the event. Look like the boss. Yeah. For whatever it is. There's some sort of hygienist on the. On the thing, and she's cleaning out the ears. And I. I would have said no if I was him, because, I mean, he said he's like, I've never used Q tips because the doctors told me not to. So if you've never used Q tips, you know what's going on in there, you know what's happening in those ear.

[C]

I didn't have the stomach to watch this whole thing, so I don't even know it's what.

[A]

I will say this, though, because, you know, I'm a freak. I watch these. These videos, you know, and. And so I've. I've watched a lot of ear videos, and then I went and Got one. They make these little things that have a little camera hooks up to your phone. And then it also has like something like a little scraper.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So, and so I'm. When it comes to my nails and my ears and I am constantly clipping, constantly cleaning. And I was like, I'm going to have a clean ear because I do this all the time. And I put it in and it was not as clean as I thought it was going to be. It wasn't Long John, but it wasn't as clean as I thought it was going to be. So then when I see it and I'm like, oh my God, this is disgusting. And I clean it out and I pull it out and it's like a speck, okay? Because the camera is like 16x32x. It's like zoomed the fuck in. So sometimes what you'll see is like a little bit blown out of proportion. This was not one of those. It was like, it was like a wall and it was like wet, it was like gooey. You know, like sometimes it's just like a kind of a chunk. And they scooped it all out and laid it on like the napkin. And it wasn't as bad as like when you first went in there. I was thinking it's gonna be like this big. You know, it wasn't like that, but it wasn't clean either. And you know, we just, when, when, when, when this family goes, it's like, it's like I tell my kids, I'm like, you're representing the family. When you go out here, we gotta, gotta have manners. You gotta be polite, you gotta be friendly. We gotta have our ears in check. You never know when someone's gonna run up on you with a, like a scope to look inside your head.

[C]

So to be fair, Glass. I feel like if I, I don'.

[A]

Well, you know we're gonna have to do this now.

[C]

I prefer not. I actually.

[A]

Well, yeah, I know you prefer.

[C]

I think probably like a, a flaw of mine is my ears. Just like I think I have dry skin in my ears, which is kind of gross. But like if I'm being honest, like.

[A]

I think you got gross ears.

[C]

I don't think it's like inside is necessarily gross. I think that like the skin in my ears, I have a hard time like keeping it hydrated if I'm being honest.

[A]

Can I clean your ears?

[B]

No.

[A]

I would love to clean your guys ears. I've always been like, if I could just become a dermatologist, like pop pimples and clean Ears.

[C]

Yeah, that.

[A]

Yeah, I would love to do that.

[C]

I do love watching, like, pimple popping videos in your videos, but.

[A]

Oh, you. So you do watch your videos.

[C]

Yeah, but ear videos is like, sometimes they.

[A]

They. There's a science. They kind of like scrape it off the sides and then get behind it and pull it all out in one shot.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah. There's like a few. There's like a few videos that Snapchat Because I. So I. I only watch them on Snapchat because I don't want my whole for you page being like, whatever.

[A]

You look at my for you page. It's like, send him to jail.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, send him to jail. Talk to your pimple guy.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I told you he took a break, right? I thought he was dead.

[C]

The weirdest thing about you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what's really funny? That guy, one of the other things is like, ingrown hairs. You ever seen that where somebody has like a little bump and they end up pulling out, like a whole patch of hair? And this guy, I'll send it to him and he'll be like, I. I can't do hair. I don't with hair. But he has alopecia. So he doesn't have hair.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

So I'm like, yeah, this is. This is just some, like, reverse insecurity of yours. You lash out at people's ingrown hair because you don't have any hair. I've never met this guy. I'm having conversations about his alopecia and our weird for you page together.

[C]

Didn't you meet him once?

[A]

No, not this. No, not this guy.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

No.

[C]

Why? Did you do multiple.

[A]

No, but. Well, you just maybe question it. Like, have I. But not.

[C]

I thought that. Yeah, maybe I thought that, like, you were about to, at a live show, meet him in person, but I feel like it never panned out.

[A]

Yeah, there was something along those lines. Yeah.

[C]

I don't know. But.

[A]

But funny if John came back. Sorry. And he's just like, super soft spoken now because he can hear himself.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

He said that he did not feel any different after, but that while it was happening, she felt like she was scratching the inside of his brain. I've always wondered that. Like, who Somebody. Recently, I think Donnie. Donnie once had one pulled out, but I thought someone else did as well. And I was thinking, like, yeah, you probably do hear differently.

[C]

But he said, well, Pav, you're deaf.

[A]

So I'm deaf. Yeah.

[C]

Do you think whenever Pabs, like, gives me headphones to watch like something he's editing it is. I don't know how he does it.

[A]

Yeah, it's just like tons of sound design over the years where it's just like you're hearing. You have to hear it at max. So you pump it. And I'm. I probably edited. I've edited everything on full max for like three, four years now where now I. If I'm in a bar, I can't have conversations because. Oh, I can't either. But that's just because I think I'm getting old. But that when people are at a bar and they try to talk to me, I'll give it like one attempt. I might say, what'd you say? Again? And then after that I will be like, we can't talk anymore. Like, yeah, talk to someone else. And like, I'll talk to you at the end of the night or when we leave or something. I'm not. I can't do this. I can't do the whole in and out the whole time. I don't know how people do it. Especially if you've blown your ears out over the years editing, like, yeah, yeah, I've gotten really good at like, reading lips because. Yeah, I have to look.

[C]

Yeah, I kind of do that too.

[A]

Even just like talking right now. Like, if you were to turn around, I would be like, I could hear you, but, like, not as good. And like, I read the subtitles on the screen. I'm probably slowly training my ears to just not be necessary anymore. Yeah, yeah, not good. Not good. But yeah, it was so. He's got disgusting ears, man. That's one of those things where, like, if you're put on the spot and you know, you've like never cleaned your ears, you don't want to be like the guy who's. I'm new on tour. I don't. I want to. I don't want to be the weirdo's like, no, you can't look at my ears. But it's also like, yeah, this is about to be disgusting. Guys, buckle the up.

[C]

Luckily, I don't think that Bert is like somebody who's going to turn away somebody because of his ear.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

If anything, he'll just love that. Yeah, I'm sure it's, like, worked into his act that night. Yeah, that's the other thing. By the way, Pete Lee opened up for. For Bert and John. With John, he smoked it. He has a bit about his house burning down in the LA fires. That is so funny.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I thought Bert, that was one of best Bert's best shows ever. Oh, say I love his style. I know some people say he, oh, he just tells stories and like talks about his family and that's true. Like, it's not as much of like a Anthony Jeselnick punchliney type of like stand up set, but I like it, I like that better.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because the first, first of all, it's unique. Like no one else is telling that joke because it's about Leanne or Georgia or Isla. Like it's wholly original and I just, I, I find it way more relatable because it's just like, oh, that's just a husband or a father or a buddy. Like that's the way he, he does it. I, I think it's, I actually really prefer that style and I thought he, I thought his was great too. He has a couple new bits that he's doing for a special that are like, when he, when he fleshes it out, it's gonna be. That's my, my favorite thing about doing, doing the comedy podcast st. When you, when we interview people like at the beginning of their process of a new special or something, and then we, we're fortunate enough to get invited to their show and then, you know, they come and do an interview and then you see the special. So you've seen like, oh, I remember when you started that bit. I remember on the podcast when you talked about it. I remember seeing it a follow up time where you tweaked it and added it. And then I saw the final form on the special where you like perfected it and it's like, oh, that is a piece of art that you, you know, I went, I watched it go from a blank canvas to like that masterpiece. So he has some new stuff in there that when it's done, I think is going to be great. And same thing with John is like a couple things that I'm like, you're gonna find your way on how to say that. And, and what was really cool was watching Bert. Afterwards we went to the, to the green room and Bert was kind of holding court and he was talking business and talking strategy about comedy and also just like life in general. And he started to be like, here's how I would have said that. Here's what, here's what my punchline would have been. And it was good. He said it a couple times that I would. And I don't, what do I know? But just knowing John as well as I do, I remember thinking like, I don't think John's gonna Like that. But I think you pushed him the right way to find the version that he does. Like.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think that's where being on the bus and doing the travel and all that really, you know, it's a team game. Even though it's such an individual thing when you're up there, I think the process to get there is much more.

[C]

Yeah, he's like a good. What's it called? Mentor.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, very good mentor. And he tries to be one. Like. Yeah, to be a mentor, mentee sort of thing, it's got to be like, I want to learn from you and you're willing to, like, teach me or not even necessarily teach me, but just, like, talk and say things. You pick up on it. He's very good about that.

[C]

Pete Lee was also really good beforehand because he was so, like. He's just so enthusiastic and like, nice, positive. Like, you're going to have so much fun. You're going to have so much fun up there. Like, I. I feel like other comics could have been like. Like freaking him out and been like, maybe around or. Yeah. Pulling him around or like, oh, you're gonna. Competitive. Yes, yes. But he was really nice and be like, no, no, dude, you're gonna get up there, you're gonna have so much fun. Like all this. He was really good about that.

[A]

Pete. Pete is a. Was like the perfect.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and he went first. I think they had. He said they have a rule that, like, nobody, no first timer can lead off the show. So it was a good, like, landing spot. The one thing I did want to ask him about, so he was kind of like the voice of God. When he introduced Pete Feidelberg was. Did you notice how he kind of like stumbled over that for a second?

[C]

Yeah. He literally spent, like, beat himself up for like 30, like, what the fuck? What the fuck? What the fucking.

[A]

Say that. So he's like, ladies and gentlemen, Hartford, Connecticut, are you ready? And they go loud. He's like, I said, are you ready? And I. And even that I'm sitting there, I'm going, I don't think I would even be able to do this, like, because I'm not the hype man type. And even though you're. It's just their voice and no one even knows who you are. I knows him. And he's like, are you ready for your first comic, Pete Lee? And they cheer, and he was like, so keep it going. For Pete, it was just a little like, stutter stammer that nobody else in the world except for probably the four of us, like, picked up on. And I thought to myself, he's probably.

[B]

Going stupid, stupid stuff.

[A]

I thought he's about to introduce himself.

[C]

Because he was supposed to say, like, from.

[A]

He didn't. Yeah, there was no, like, credits or whatever.

[C]

Like, I forgot seen him from.

[A]

Blah, blah. That kind of.

[C]

Yeah, but. But he. He didn't do that. And then. And then he was like, what the.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then one other thing. I, I. This is weird to do without him. But I'm also. There are things that I think he wouldn't, like, he would get weird about. So the one thing that, that Bert was, like, busting his balls about was when he got introduced. And I. I liked it because it is so very feidalberg. He, like, bounced out on stage. He was kind of doing his thing. Like, he dances and he kind of like. But it was a little bit skippy, a little bit.

[B]

He.

[A]

He frolicked out to the stage.

[C]

Frolic is a great way to free frolics.

[A]

Yeah. And that is very vitalberg. Like, if you've ever seen him at a bar or a concert when music's on, he kind of just, like, bebops. And, you know, when you're walking from, like, behind the state, behind the curtain, some people just kind of walk out. Hello. But he just kind of, like, hustled a little bit, so. But it was very bouncy, and. And Bert was like, we got to take that clip and send it to Shane Gillis. We'll see what, like, I want to hear Shane's thoughts on how you skipped your way out.

[B]

As.

[A]

I could see Shane being like, you, you know what? So a couple, like, nothing that was bad, but I'm happy that there's a couple little things that are, like, quirky and funny that we can, like, you know, latch on to and talk about and make fun of or whatever. So we'll get all his insight once he's here. But, yeah, I think from my point of view, I was very proud. Very, very, very proud. It was very cool and really made me think, like, you know, sometimes it's like you're someone you're friends with or in your family or, like, you're dating or something you're. You're so close to. You can't, like, see the big picture. You know, if I. If I was.

[B]

If there.

[A]

If it was a different person from outside of Barstool who had been on the show and did podcasts and vlogs and all that sort of. And then did that, and I saw it, I would Be like, that guy is next. Yeah, that guy has the foundation, he already has a career, he has a fan base, he's getting into acting. And it turns out he can do this stand up shit. Watch out for that guy because, like, he is going to establish himself in this next wave of like, creators, comedy, comedians, whatever you want to call it. And so I'm like, oh, yeah. Like, he. That's. He is that guy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But it, to me, it's just John, just the co host, just the buddy. But I'm like, yeah, if I were to really take a step back, I would be like praising that. And so it's. But it's true. It's just you. It's just John. So a lot, I think there's a lot on the horizon now. I mean, we said like months ago, said, you're gonna put out your TV show, you're gonna. What was it? There was like three things. It was like that Bert and like one other thing. There's like three big things he's doing. Oh, he acted in Tires. He got like his Netflix debut and then he did the arena. And like all of those went well. Everything, like, you know, grew and, and, And I think it's just like kind of like launch pad to just go now.

[C]

Well, now it's just like, like what you say, like, consistency. Like now he just has to keep going and going and going and going and going. And then one day he'll look up and like, he'll be doing arenas on his own.

[A]

Yeah, it's been 20 years and I've.

[C]

Yeah, but it, but it's. Yeah, it's cool that it's like, now he's. For sure. And it took. I don't even know how many years it took, but you probably, for a while you've been like, you should try to stand up.

[A]

Like you should. I know, I know. I'm happy. Yeah.

[C]

It took a while to break him down. But you did.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And he's there now.

[A]

Yeah. There's always a few things I've always been like, you should do, like workout content, you should do fashion content. You should do acting, you should do comedy. And he was always like, I don't want to do. I don't want to work out. I just, you know, I don't want to do fashion. I just like to dress. But these other two things he's like, leaned into and it's, you know, once you find the thing, you're really passionate and you, like, you have an obligation as a human to go do the thing you're passionate about because like it, maybe it doesn't become a career or whatever, but like you just will be more fulfilled and feel better about yourself and feel like you're doing something if you go do the thing you like.

[C]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

Start drawing paintings, whatever, just do it.

[C]

Yeah. You know, I think about that like again, I've told you I think or I've been saying I don't know. I've been rewatching the Bear.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And the first time I watched it like I was kind of like he seems, what's his name? The Bear? Bear.

[A]

Jeff.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. Car me. He seems so miserable and I'm like that. He just seems like he's living like the most miserable life. But then upon watching and watching more like you kind of realize that he, he has a dream, he's going after it. He's like, he has so much passion around it. And then you see how he brings everyone else along with him who didn't even have dreams for themselves. But by him like being the, the just kind of going for it no matter how miserable he is, like he is single handedly improving everyone else's life because it's inspiring.

[A]

And even if you don't realize it. Yeah. You're getting motivated.

[C]

It's just like you just do have an obligation if you find something that you're passionate about and you can go after it.

[A]

Because there's so many people who don't even know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then if they do know, don't have like the means. And if they do have the means, they don't have the balls.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like if you have all those, you have to do it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Sorry. You just have to.

[C]

You just have to. Exactly. And like see where it goes.

[A]

But you have no choice. And.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So yeah, it's very cool to watch. So we'll get. Well, you'll hear from his point of view once he gets in. The NFL is in full swing. Tailgates and pack stands and the buzz before kickoff. And you're having some drinks at the stadium. You're checking your fantasy team, checking your bets. All that's the good stuff. The bad stuff is getting tickets to get in the building for your favorite games. You're talking about fake tickets that you get scammed on price jumps when you thought you're paying one price and all the extra fees add up. You're getting logged out while you're checking out tickets no longer available. Get rid of all that with game time. The official ticketing partner of Barstool Sports, one of the official partners of of the NFL where you can get your tickets to the game. Whether it's NFL, NBA, hockey, baseball, favorite band, favorite comedian, Broadway, any sort of live event, Game Time is the best way to get in the building. It's not only the easiest, but it's the most affordable because it guarantees authenticity and it guarantees the lowest price on the market you have. They have amazing deals, amazing sales. Ticket prices drop as we get closer to the event time and it's all incredibly easy to use. The Game time guarantee means it's 100 authentic and the best price available. All the fees are included so it's not like you click on one price and end up paying another. What you see is what you get. What you see is what you pay. We have tickets coming up. I'm going to Monday Night Raw tonight. Thanks to Game Time. We've got of course the Knicks, Giants, jets going on, all sorts of bands coming to town, comics always through, coming through, whatever it is. Game Time has got you covered in your town for the best live entertainment. So take the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets and all tickets with Game Time. Download the app, create an account and use promo code KFC to get 20 off your first purchase. That's download the account promo code KFC for 2020 off terms apply. Swipe, tap ticket go download Game Time today. This show is sponsored by Better Help. Shorter days don't have to be so so dismal. We are in prime Seasonal depression depress Seasonal affective disorder Seasonal depression days. It's getting early, late. It's getting dark early. It's getting late early. It's getting cold and dark is what it is and that messes with people. You get into a dark spot. If you need the sun, sunshine and warm weather and you don't have it, you got to be working on your mentals and that's where better help comes in. This November, BetterHelp is encouraging everyone to reach out to check in on friends, family members and check in on yourself. A little message, a little words of encouragement around the people you love can go a really long way and BetterHelp can help them and can help you get through these tough times, especially with the holidays coming up. Stressful, it's emotional. BetterHelp takes the initial matchmaking work and does it for you. They will find a therapist for you so you can focus on your therapy goals. A short questionnaire that gives you all your needs and preferences and they have 12 plus years of experience and an industry leading match fulfillment rate Means that they usually get it right the first time and if they don't, you can switch for free, no problem. This month, don't wait to reach out. Whether you are checking in on a friend or reaching out to a therapist yourself, BetterHelp makes it easier to take that first step. Listeners get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/kfc. That's better. H-E-L-P.com KFC for 10 off your first month to get your mental health right this. This winter. All right. Feidelberg's back flight just touched down. Came right to the right to the podcast. The floor is yours. How you feeling?

[B]

I feel good. It was really fun. It was. It was awesome. It was great.

[A]

This was Hartford, Baltimore, Hershey, and that was it or no.

[B]

And last night was Richmond, Virginia.

[A]

So four shows back here and then out for four more.

[B]

Yes. I'll fly out Wednesday night. So sick meet up with them in Grand Rapids. And there's Grand Rapids, Columbus, Indianapolis and Peoria, I think. I don't know in what order, but those four cities at some point, east.

[A]

Coast, like eastern seaboard into the Midwest, swing. And I'm assuming all these are like arenas, right? Yeah, except Richmond.

[B]

Richmond was a theater, but then arenas. Aside from that, this guy probably stepped.

[A]

Into like a 5,000 person theater. Like the bullshit tonight.

[B]

At one point I was like, after next weekend, I think most of my comedy will be performed in an arena.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

So that was.

[A]

That was one of my favorite parts. Well, no, let's start at the beginning. Let's start at the beginning. When I spoke to you, I got there probably with like a half hour before you went on, and I was like, I. I don't know if, if I should go backstage. Not go backstage. Do you want me there? Do you not want me there? Is it weird if. If I invite myself? You know, I was just like thinking through all the scenarios. Right. And then so we got on the phone to speak about that and that's when you were sort of like, I. The nerves are setting in. The.

[B]

The nerves were setting in. But it's also, honestly, that night, part of most of my nerves were like, me getting out of the way. Like, I didn't want to have, like, my family was there and like, I had big friend groups there. And I was like, I just don't want this to seem like it's about me because it's not. Right.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I don't want to be like, asking for favors. And so, like, most of that was just like, I'M nervous that people who are coming to see me, like, my family and my friends are like. Like, they. Their expectations are like, they're gonna come backstage, they're gonna come on the bus.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, that's what most of my stress.

[A]

Did they. Did they. Did you have to shut that down.

[B]

Or they knew literally? No, it was completely unnecessary stress.

[A]

Yeah. As much most as most stress is.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I feel bad that I was following you around with the camera.

[B]

I felt bad that we kidnapped you. I was the opposite. I was.

[A]

I was texting her. I was like, you gotta film this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, I know he doesn't want it to be filmed. You have to film it.

[B]

It wasn't. I wasn't. I did not want to be filmed. I. I just. I'm so. I kept. I kept being like, whatever you want me to do, tell me to do it. But, like, I don't know how to do that. I just suck at that.

[C]

Sorry. Like, you can, like. He was like, you could go if you want. And I was like, sitting in this cool.

[A]

Lesser imagine if you were like, not, yeah, I'm gonna go sit in my apartment alone. Why would you not.

[C]

You think I don't want to be here? Yeah, you're so insane.

[A]

But also those things are about capturing, like, when you're not like. I think it's kind of a behind the scenes. So it's not like, go. It's like, let me just see how. What you're doing.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Very impressed. Very impressed by Jackie.

[C]

Nicholas Battles.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Like, impressed by what.

[A]

We've said this how many times that Jackie's gonna be our boss one day. Jackie's the star. And I think it's. It's finally coming to fruition. As. As Timothy Chalamet would say, it's fruitionizing. I think Bert's gonna seal you away.

[C]

But what was he. I didn't talk the whole time.

[B]

Maybe that's what was in breath.

[A]

He was like, this just does her job.

[C]

I wasn't even, like, filming, like, well, nah, you were.

[A]

You were. You are.

[B]

You're against yourself.

[A]

You're just naturally. Well, I have that on video, by the way. Pete. Pete Lee starts filming with Jackie's camera. I was filming with my phone. We have a Bert Kreischer Jackie Nichols negotiation for her to join Birdie Boy Productions. That was so funny. He was like, name a price. Name a price. And Jackie was so, like, nervous about it. And I'm sitting there going, like, just say a really high number. And then she Started negotiating against herself. She just kept dropping her number for no reason.

[C]

Like, about to, like, confirm one number, and then I go, and I knocked it down by 50.

[A]

But I think that's. I think Bert has been around long enough and. And had openers and assistants and co hosts and everything like that. And I think he can pick up. Even if you feel like you're not doing anything, I think he can just pick up on, like, who is a good fit and who. Remember, we talked about this a couple weeks ago? I think it was when just me and you were on the podcast, where it's just, like, you just click with people. Sometimes it's romantically, professionally, whatever, where it's just, like, I can't even put my finger on it, but it just. You just, like, comfortable. I think that was Burt with you.

[C]

Okay, this is nice. This is not about me.

[A]

It was a funny moment, though. That was like. There was a part of me that was like, I think Jackie's going on the bus with John. I think it's a package deal. She's gone. So. So you're. You're getting nervous. And she. She explained that. That guy being, like, 12 minutes, 15 minutes. You gotta tell me now. That's so up.

[B]

That is so good.

[A]

It's like, bro, I've, like.

[B]

Like, this is all so crazy to say, like, having done Arenas now. Like, I've never done that. Like. Like, on a hard, like, 15 minutes, right? Like, when we do out of order, it's kind of like, yeah, however long. Like, you know, roughly 10, you're shooting for it. Roughly 20. But, like, yeah, you know, whenever you're done, wrap it up. And that was. That was stressful because I was like. I was like, I know I could do 20, but I knew, like, you know, I don't know. I. I don't even know how to do what it was I would have to do. You know what I mean?

[A]

It's like, I truly don't know what I'm doing.

[B]

I mean, it's essentially just drop a joke or add a joke, and I was fine. Just, like, being told that, like, it has to be 15 on the button, because otherwise Bert's not gonna be here.

[C]

Was he, like, with you?

[A]

I don't. There's part of me that thinks that Bert was like, go up there and tell him. If it's not for 14 minutes and 59 seconds, like, he's gone.

[B]

You know?

[C]

Like, what the.

[B]

Bert had done the opposite. Bert had heard that I was nervous, and he. He never comes out. So, like, Basically, the Show starts at 7. Opening act, 15 minutes. Second opening act, 15 minutes. Burke comes on at 7:30. But he's usually, like, out on the bus getting ready. He's not like standing back.

[A]

Yeah, got it, got it.

[B]

And at all. At any point. And that night at seven o', clock, he came out and he was like. Or like 6:45, whatever time. And he was like, yo, come talk to me. And I guess people had told him that I was nervous, which I really didn't think I looked that nervous. Obviously, I. I did seem to be, but, like. Because I really, like, no, internally, I wasn't freaking out. Like, I wasn't that nervous. I was. I had the natural nerves, I think.

[A]

But I wasn't like, what it was.

[B]

Over the top, freaking out.

[A]

I think if somebody catches you just like pacing back and forth, they're probably like, oh, that guy's nervous.

[B]

And then I'm also just a pacer.

[A]

So maybe that's it. Like that guy's just bouncing on his toes with his hand behind his back.

[B]

Just walking back and forth.

[A]

He must be so nervous. Like. No, that's just my weird autistic friend. That's just what he does.

[B]

But he came up and he's like, come talk to me. And. And so that's when I leave stage side with him. It's like 6:50. Like, honestly, it's like five minutes to showtime and. And Jackie doesn't come because she thinks he's kicking me off the show.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And she didn't look. She didn't want to film it. And then we get into the green room and Bert's like, where's the camera? So I run back out, grab Jack.

[A]

I was gonna say that Bert knows, by the way, Bert's always used with camera.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, you can always film.

[B]

And. And he was giving me. Was giving me advice and he was just kind of like, let me know what it's like in an arena. And then he goes, what's the biggest crowd you've ever done? And I was like, I don't know, like 1100, like, whatever.

[A]

The Wilbur is. Something like that.

[B]

And he goes, ah. Then it's the same. He's a. You don't need advice. It's the exact same then.

[A]

Really.

[B]

And I thought that sounded insane in the locker room. And then I got on stage and I found it to be pretty true.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Like, it was like. You can see the first few rows.

[A]

There's the lights.

[B]

After that, it's kind of just black out there. When the. When Your set ends and you're bringing out the next comic.

[A]

The lights go up.

[B]

The lights go up and you're like, holy.

[A]

Yo, you were. The material was. Was good. The material, like, the jokes were good. I don't want to, like, say what the jokes were, but the control on the stage was, like, excellent. Like, did not. No difference between you, Pete, Bert, all the comics, like, all the comics we've ever watched. Like that. To me, that. That was one of the things I always thought about, like, would be the hardest is like, I. I feel like I could have. I could sit down and craft, spend the next 10 years making sure I just nail these jokes. And I just still don't think I'd be able to do the stand up comedy. Because you have to deliver it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's like, as important, if not more the way you just like, the pace. Like, you were walking around the stage, leaning on the mic stand, the way you held the mic, the pausing. There were moments where you gave silence, which to me, like, I always felt like I had to keep talking.

[B]

The silence is the best.

[A]

Yo, you.

[B]

I mean, I hate talking up there. I like, I like just hanging out and be like, yeah.

[A]

There was even something. I can't remember which part it was, but there was something where you were kind of like, it was a little bit of like an extended, intricate premise that you had to, like, kind of lay out, you know, and that, to me would be nerve wracking where it's like, I gotta. I gotta land this plane. And like, they gotta understand. So the punchline hits.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And you, like, took your time explaining it. And I almost feel like you knew that the audience was a little like, what the is going on here? And you were like, just silent for a second, like, yeah, I'm gonna let you sit in that. And that takes a lot because, like, that. That's the one thing I always felt when we were doing shows is like, if we're not, there's not noise at all times. Like, something's going wrong and they're bored or not laughing or whatever.

[B]

You know, I think that's. That's kind of what. What Bert and other comics have said about how live podcasting is harder than live stand up. Because, like, when there is that tension in the room, when there is that, like, pause.

[A]

I know I'm not gonna punchline.

[B]

I know I break it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, if you have a partner, like, that partner might talk. Yeah. And that might change how the tension goes. And like, like, no one really knows what's gonna happen. But if it's just you, it's just.

[A]

Like, I got it.

[B]

I, I get to decide when this tension breaks.

[A]

Right. But, but like, I understand where you're coming from, but that also, to me would make me more nervous where it's like, I have to do all this. Like, I'm in control of everything here, for better or worse. And that was just that, that part was that it's almost backwards to me. It's like you've been writing blogs and telling jokes forever. So, like, that part would make sense that you know how to do that. But there's other, like, I really haven't done like this yet. And it was like, oh, that guy, he, he can just do this. Like you just do. You're just a stand up comic.

[B]

It, I, I, if yes, I, that felt, it felt good and all that stuff.

[A]

And you know what I like, by the way? Sorry, there was a point. I mean, I, I don't know if you actually feel this way or if you're just saying it because in the moment you're doing stand up comedy, but you say at one point, like, I'm a stand up comedian. I'm a dancing clown, like, whatever. Yeah, but you said like, I'm a stand up comedian. And I was like, he is, he is.

[B]

Well, you're standing in an arena. It's hard to call yourself anything else.

[A]

Right. I'm a podcaster. Done. Stand up. And now I've been invited. No, yeah, you just say it.

[B]

But when you see actually a former hockey player, first Happy Gilmore over here.

[A]

You're not. But yeah, that was great, man. It was that. That control was bonkers.

[B]

It was, it was cool. I've also been so lucky, like, with my intro into standup comedy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I was thinking about this last night or two nights ago maybe, where like, widely it's considered the most toxic, not evil, but like, scary profession like that, that there's, there's undercutting and backstabbing. Yeah, it's entertainment as a whole. But it's also applied to, to stand up comedy. And if you look at the Sherpas I've had through comedy, it started with Caroline Banowitz, who passed me off to Francis Ellis and Brandon Barrera who passed me off to Burt Kreischer and Pete Lee. Like, everyone has been so nice, so supportive, so, like, encouraging that it hasn't been scary.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That it's been pretty fun. I mean, Burt and Pete have been.

[A]

Pete was like, perfect for night one.

[B]

Pete's waiting for me. Off stage every night being like, you're awesome. You killed it.

[A]

You're like, great stroke of luck.

[B]

Like, little bit. Like, they'll also have like. I think Friday night or Saturday night, I did. I moved way too much. I, Like, I was. For some reason Saturday night I was nervous. It was the biggest crowd, but I don't think that's what it was. There's just something about Saturday that, I don't know, I didn't feel ready for. And I was walking, like the whole stage and Pete and I noticed that, like, that was definitely my worst show. That, like, people weren't laughing that much. And he's explaining to me it's because the cameras and I'm getting out of the way and I'm making the cameras move too much and people are getting seasick and stuff like that.

[C]

Saying that, like, that's why Shane, like, kills.

[B]

Kills in. In stays put in like that particular situation, like where the. With the cameras, you excited those two big screens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if you move too much because the audience is watching you on those.

[A]

Yeah, I was. I definitely noticed. I watched that. But I.

[B]

But if you stay still and kind of stay in the pocket, it's easier for them to not get distracted.

[C]

They literally get seasick if you're moving around too much because they're.

[B]

Yeah. And it was. It was just nice to have, like, feedback and at worst, constructive criticism every time I got off stage. And it was also, I think my first time ever doing a set back to back nights. So this. So it was cool to get to work on it, like with a fresh memory where I'm like, all right, like, Pete gave me that.

[A]

Just did this.

[B]

Burt gave me that. No, the crowd reacted to this a little different.

[A]

That was my favorite part of that post game wrap up was like you were telling the who's got smaller and he was like, here's how I would do it.

[B]

Yeah. And I did it.

[A]

I did it.

[B]

I did it his way.

[A]

Saturday night, I think was that, like, you're right.

[B]

Yeah. I closed Saturday night.

[A]

I'm telling you. That's your machine. That's your machine joke. That is such a good story. I. I thought you were gonna do it on. On what? Thursday night?

[B]

I was gonna, but I ran too long. I just didn't have time. Oh, so that was like, in all the fear.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I ended up having to cut off the last third of. Or last quarter even that.

[A]

I think for your first show being long. I think the thing is everyone usually nervous. They talk too fast and they'd blow through 15 minutes and seven and a half and you're.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The fact that you went long I think is a testament to how calm and like collected you were.

[B]

That was also like a burnt advice. He's like, slow down. And I was like, I hear you. I actually don't think I need that. I was like, I'm pretty slow.

[C]

Did you frolic on stage again?

[B]

I did so. I did so. I stopped wearing a hat. That's great.

[A]

Was great.

[B]

I was. Is so mortified that I never thought of that. Like, that was a piece of advice. If Bert. When I got off stage the first night, Bert was like, oh, I guess I did forget to give you a piece of advice. Don't wear a hat on stage. Because the cameras, like so much of the joke is in your eyes that when your brim's down, you're blocking it.

[A]

I mean, you're talking to a guy who takes off all garments. Yeah.

[B]

But like I was like, oh, I should like acting like I should have known how much you need to see my face for some of this stuff.

[A]

But even that, I think almost tells me like how natural and calm you were, that you weren't over. You weren't overthinking things to the point that you didn't even think about anything.

[B]

I did. I think I wore a hat on stage. I don't even wear a hat these days. I only wear a hat when our hair's too long.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I was up there like, why the am I in his hat?

[A]

The. The only. So the frolicking was funny because that's like what you do. You, you dance and you dance, you know. So to me it was very funny.

[B]

You wonder why I frolicked it? Because I, I got on stage and he had just said my name and.

[A]

I was like, I'm too close.

[B]

No, I'm too far.

[A]

Too far.

[B]

I don't know how big the state. I was like, hell, he's a mile. I gotta run over that.

[A]

And when you were the voice of God introducing Pete, I heard you and I go, that's Feudalberg. Like he's doing it. And. And you were doing. And even that. I was like, I'd be terrible at even doing this because I'm just not like the hype up guy. But you had a little moment of like, keep it going. And I was like, oh no.

[B]

I was like, he's gonna be thinking.

[A]

About that the rest of the night.

[B]

No one else. I kept apologizing to, to everybody backstage after that, and no one's like, everyone's. We don't know what the. You're talking about.

[A]

I mean, I try to think about, like.

[B]

And that's also just Bert's team. Like, Bert. Everyone who works with Bert is.

[A]

They're the best.

[B]

The nicest.

[A]

But also, there's. That's not even. I don't think they're, like, acting or doing you a favor. It's like, if. If, you know, we're doing a podcast and some guests, like, like, stuttered or stammered over a line. Like, I don't even notice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To them, that's like, whatever, dude.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

But that was funny, I think.

[B]

I think I said, you guys ready for your first comic? Give it up for your next comic. That was good.

[A]

That was very funny. And then. But I really liked, you know, your set was like, we're clowning some dogs. We're pushing the envelope, talking about Chinese people. Like, it wasn't, like, a safe set.

[B]

I think of that set as so safe.

[A]

But that's what I mean. Like, that's why I think it's. It. It. It's. I think you're gonna have a lot of success here because, like, it wasn't, like, edgy or, like, you canceled or something, but it was. There was some tension. There's some groans. There were some people being like. I'm sure there was some Asians. There was some dog lovers who were like, wait, what? And I think that you're. You're primed to do, like, good comedy, because that doesn't. That didn't feel edgy to you. Not that you're, like, an edge lord or anything, but it's just like, we've. We've been doing this for 15 years. We know what jokes are, like, really offensive and which ones aren't. And, like, these ones are, you know, a little bit something, but not gonna ruffle too many feathers. It was. It's just. I think you have a good radar for it to not be too safe. You're also not, like a shock jock who's gonna be too edgy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was, like, right in the middle because, like, you know, birds telling stories about his family, which are, like, crazy, but they're just like, I'm telling stories about my family. Pete is. You know, Pete has his whole Persona. And then you kind of came in there, like, up a little bit. I thought it was good. I thought it was a good balance. It was a very good set.

[B]

The. In Richmond last night, which is where I think. I think was probably my best set. Was Richmond, because I had to shorten it because we had Ian Bag, who's a hilarious dude. Last time, my first time meeting him, he's so funny.

[A]

We. He. We've been talking back and forth over the years to get him on the show, and I think it just, like, hasn't happened. But he's hilarious.

[B]

He's so nice dude. He also.

[A]

What's that? My bag. Your bag's over there.

[B]

Oh, my bad.

[A]

You guys have matching purses. You guys have matching totes.

[B]

It's just. Yeah.

[A]

For those listening at home, John reached over and grabbed this, like, canvas tote bag and passed like, no, that's mine. Yours is over there.

[B]

Friends with Marco Sturm and just gave me Sturm. He had just seen Marco.

[A]

Sturm's the coach of the Brain drones. Yeah.

[B]

And he had just seen Sturman. He had all this stuff, and he's like, I'm. I'm a Canucks fan, so you can have.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

I was like, this is the nicest thing anyone's ever done. But he was great. So. But because he was there, we all did 10. And in doing 10, I think I just did mine like, tighter. I.

[A]

Tighter.

[B]

Which I don't. I like. I think it's a 15 minute set because I like walking around and I like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Pausing and stuff like that. But if you move it up to 10, hits a lot.

[A]

The joke.

[B]

Not as much quiet tension.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But when I was doing. It's about groans. The I was doing. I was saying. I was saying that, like, we. We worked out a lot more than I expected on the Permission to party tour. We did a lot of exercise. And I was like, we're basically a traveling sports team, but we travel by bus. So like, more like a WNBA team. And the woman in the front row was like. And I was like, no, no, no, stay with me, Stay with me. I think you're gonna like this. And then she ended up loving this thing. So, like, I don't think it's edgy. I think it's like, it's presented as kind of like. Like, I'm gonna say some stuff and I don't really, but I just mean.

[A]

It more like, you know, you can go up there and just kind of tell like, vanilla jokes, you know, and you're not doing that. You're, I think, getting the groans, but then getting the laugh is like the best you can do. You know, I always said it's about, like, sports too. It's like you call some pitcher up and he's just like, Lights out. Obviously, you want it to be good every start, but I'm almost like, I want you to go out there and throw a clunker to see how you bounce back. Yeah. And then I'm like, you're. I think if you have nine good starts and one terrible one, but you bounce back, you're better than the guy who had 10 good starts, which makes no sense, but it's like you kind of showed it.

[B]

So, like, all right, if I lose, I can get it again.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not just like a wave. I'm riding back up.

[A]

This is not, you know, a fluke. I can. I can do that.

[C]

I saw. I saw a couple that. When you said something about, like, I'm pretty progressive, that whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They looked at each other and they go. And then you got them. And then they were laughing.

[A]

A little misdirection goes a long way.

[C]

It's kind of like, you know when you play pool on the iPhone in, like, the games that you can play, like, send with people, and then you, like, have to. There's the tension, and you have to. To hit the pool thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Like, whatever. It's kind of like that where it's like, the. More like, the harder you bring it.

[A]

Back, and then it shoots harder when it goes. Yeah, yeah. A little tension goes a very long way. What else was there? I'm trying to think of some other specific moments. I. I mean, I really liked watching backstage. Oh, tell me about the bus. I told them I was like, the bus, I think, is more important.

[B]

It's. It's the best sleep I've ever had in my life, for starters.

[A]

Yeah, you slept, like, 12 hours. Now, here's a real question. Did everyone else get the best sleep they've ever had with you on the bus?

[B]

Yeah. Well. Well, dude, I'm not even roaring Pete's a CPAP boy, so, like, that's okay. That was what it was. Bert's in his own room, so, like, there's. There's nothing. I. I couldn't hear anything. I mean, you're on the highway. We were nervous about that.

[A]

I was like, oh, man, he's gonna get kicked off. Off the bus. You're a great comic, but we can't find. You Gotta take an Uber, bro. Can't have you snoring.

[C]

Is it like cubby beds?

[B]

Yeah, like. Like a submarine. Like, it's. Well, Bert again. Bert has his own room in the back of the bus. And then there are, like, four top and bottom, like, bunk beds. And then I Me, Pete and Kyle had those.

[A]

I was saying how it's like an adult sleepover and, like, you don't get to do that anymore. You're either up and partying or you just go home. It's like, hey, you guys want to just, like, chill and watch a movie or listen to podcasts and tell jokes? Like, you get to do that as an adult now.

[C]

It's sick.

[B]

I've. I've learned and comedy camp for.

[A]

Yeah, that's a great way to put a comedy. You go through the set, you tell stories, all that shit. That's probably where your material is going to come from, where your knowledge is going to come from. And it's also just fun. It's like, this is. That's sick, dude.

[B]

There were times where, like, we were saying stuff, and I, like. I, like, realized, like, oh, birds, like, working right now. Like, he's doing the CMAS tonight. I think it's Tuesday night. If you're listening to this, he's presenting at the CMAs. And he was, like, talking about what he's gonna say. And then as I realized, we were, like, doing jokes back and forth. I was like, oh, he's working it. I was like, oh, I didn't realize.

[A]

His wheels are always spinning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even in that post game.

[B]

So that was, like, really cool to be like, oh, like, again, I wasn't working on. It's more just a soundboard. But, like.

[A]

But that's.

[B]

You're gonna pick up present while that's happening.

[A]

You're gonna pick up through, like, osmosis. You know, you don't even realize.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're just like, some of that stuff is gonna stick with you and resonate with and you'll get better or just. Or even just business. Like, he's talking money, he's talking relationships, and. And, you know, all that. It's like, you're gonna. You're gonna learn a lot doing that.

[B]

I don't know what that's from. You know, relationships. We don't need no stinking relationships. I have no idea what's that from, but I always say it.

[C]

Okay. When it's distracted. You know, I get distracted, and I have no idea what it's from, but I always say it. Does anyone know distracted? You know, I get distracted.

[A]

Have you just cried Googling? Nothing comes up.

[B]

I honest to God think they're both from Sunny.

[A]

Yeah. Well, if you say anything with, like, a Frank Reynolds accent, I'm like, yeah, it's right.

[C]

Yeah, I have a hunch it's from Emperor's new groove, which is kind of a random hunch for me to have, so I actually think mine might be from.

[B]

Oh, maybe that.

[A]

The office for you.

[B]

The office for me. Yeah.

[A]

Well, the. We don't need no stinking is from. It's badges. The treasure of Sierra Madre. Yeah, it's like a. It's like a western. And there's these, like. I think they're, like, Mexican guys who are like, badges. We don't need those. Thinking badges.

[B]

And then in office.

[C]

Yeah, it's weird that we have the distracted. You know, I get distracted as batches.

[A]

Yeah, you're repeating. You guys are just idiots. Parrots who are parroting something that was parroted.

[C]

Okay, we're getting distracted.

[A]

So the bus is. It Lived up to the hype in style. Dude.

[B]

Getting to use the gyms in the arenas is so much fun. It's been like the.

[A]

Wow. Are we ready to do this? You know, this is time for your intervention. What? We got to clean those ears, bro.

[B]

Oh, God. Yeah. I can't.

[A]

I. I can't have those ears. I said, we are a family. I said, this is what I tell my kids. Like, you got to go out in the world and represent the family. Can't have those ears out there representing us, bro.

[B]

Well, I don't know what would have happened. So here's the thing. I was there, and I was like, my ears are gonna be the grossest. I don't use.

[A]

Is this just because I say Bert brings a nutritionist and a chef and a trainer, and then one of them was, like, a hygienist? Or was that just a chance thing or what?

[B]

No, I think this was like. I think when Bert travels, I think people in the area are like, we'd love to come and be a part of something.

[A]

So that's what she.

[B]

And I think. I think she. Dr. Emily was her name. I think she's just a local ent I would guess.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And probably has. I would also guess. I think they were calling Dr. Your cleaner, maybe.

[A]

So she's, like, a social media presence.

[B]

I think she. I think she's a social media presence. So she came, and I was like, yeah, my ears are gonna be gross. I don't use Q tips.

[A]

I've got the gross.

[C]

And.

[B]

And honestly, I didn't really even mean it when I said it. I was like. I don't know, like. Because I said that for. When we did lowering the bar and Vibs did the ear thing.

[A]

Yeah, fine.

[B]

I didn't have gross ears that day. And so. But I just kind of said it to kind of be part of it. I was like, oh, I'm gonna be disgusting. And then I got up there and I was disgusting. But, like. And while she's cleaning my ears out, they've probably had done the ears of eight people. Every single person. She's like, there's nothing like. Like, nothing for me to even use the bare minimum tool. Get out of here. And then I get up there, and she's like, well, jackpot, bro. She. She was sticking needles in my head that looked like I was getting mummified where I was like, that's touching my br. I didn't even know I had an itch there for the last 20 years. But I feel a lot better now.

[A]

Feel good, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she was putting in so deep, I was crying at times. They were all making fun of me. And I was like, but while all this is happening, she keeps going, giving me, like, knowing nods. She's going, you're doing it right. No Q tips. And I was like, I don't think I'm doing it right. I'm the only disgusting freak in the room. Why are you telling me I'm the one doing it right?

[A]

Well, I mean, it's one of those things, like, I think you're supposed to have some level of wax. That's why we produce it or something, right? I don't know.

[B]

I guess so. Yeah.

[A]

But I just think you went a little too.

[B]

I also don't even know what you guys are talking about. I didn't look at anything. I have.

[A]

Yeah, it looks. It looks.

[B]

I. I. Obviously, I was in the room. I saw the reactions. I have not watched that video. I have not looked at anything.

[A]

Well, what I explained to them is when it came out, it's like a gross chunk. But when you see it on camera, it's like 32x zoomed in. So it looks like you have a golf ball of wax in there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They pull it out, and it's like a little nugget, you know, and it's like. But that first thing on camera, it looks like your whole hole is just brown, like, just covered. But you realize the hole is, like, that big, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Camera doesn't look that way. So the initial was like, oh, but that's like the. You know, I'm hoping, you know, obviously have the second leg and then, God willing, maybe more and another tour one day with Bird or something. But when you tour with, like, these big dogs, like, you get.

[B]

How many. I was thinking about this when you said big dogs, comics. How many people in the world can do what he does? Do a arena comedy tour?

[A]

Arena tours is probably like 15.

[B]

Probably more than that in the world, because there's obviously a lot that.

[A]

But, like, American comics. But even in the Bert, Tom, there.

[B]

Aren'T many more outside of this. And I'm sure there are some Indian comics who are very popular.

[A]

Right. Most of them are, like, British. So Bert, Tom, Shane, Louie.

[B]

I don't know if Louie could do it. I don't think Louie could do it.

[A]

Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart. I think Louie. I think Louie.

[B]

I don't think he could do.

[A]

Could have. I don't think. I mean, like, okay, we'll take a look.

[B]

But just like, arenas. I think you could do theaters and stuff like that. I don't know.

[A]

I don't know. I think if Louie put his back into it and, like, wanted to do it, he. He could do it or add, like, his peaky. Yeah, but maybe not right now. Kevin Hart. Kevin Hark. Stadium tour. Yeah. Schultz, Fluffy, Jokoi, that you're push. You're around, like, 10 right there. And then I think anything after that is, like.

[B]

You just stand up.

[A]

I believe he has.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

His are more of like, a show.

[B]

But.

[A]

But, But. But if you could sell out arenas, like, everywhere add up to the list. But yeah, I mean, so you're talking maybe two maximum three hands that can do that, and you just jump on.

[B]

And get my eye.

[A]

And that's gonna come with all this other, like, you know, a silly thing like the ear cleaner is whatever. But, like, next thing might be an actor who. Jo. You know, McConaughey, came backstage for them sometimes. You know what I mean? What if you were at the show where they were hanging out with McConaughey or Brad Pitt or some, and just like, oh, yeah, they're there tonight. You know, like, you never know.

[B]

I never, like, considered Bert as, like, one of those guys. Oh, he was just, like, kind of like.

[A]

And.

[B]

But just like, because he was so close to us that, like, you know, like, it's just a friend. Really think about it, right? And then on the road with him.

[A]

A lot, it was said, oh, you're like, king.

[B]

Oh, I'm on the road with one of the most famous comics in the.

[A]

History of the world.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

And. And also, what was cool about him is he, like, he does it, like. I think a lot of comics sometimes are just like, I. I do the comedy, and the rest is almost like the job that I have to do. You Know, he, like, wants to network and put people on and come do the ear cleaning. Come bring me your food, dude. Let's talk about this. Let's film that. Let's vlog. He wants to do it all. You're getting, like, the full 360 immersive experience with that guy.

[B]

It's. It's, it's bad.

[A]

That's why he's the goat. He's like, he.

[B]

And he is beyond the machine, like, what he can do. He. We were. He was yelling at me last night where he's like, you're strong. You're so strong. I was like, dude, you're as strong as I am, and you're 15 years older than me. It's a lot more impressive that you're as strong as I am.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And he's like, he. So we work out every day. The first night in Hartford, we get on the road at like 2am I sleep until like, 11. I wake up, he's sitting in the front of the bus like, where you been?

[A]

He's like, I just did radio for three hours. Yeah.

[B]

Like, what the are you talking about.

[A]

Using radio for three hours?

[B]

Like, he just grinds. He does everything all the time. It's. It's insanely impressive.

[A]

I don't even know how you keep up the. The drive. Like, once you've made the money and done the tours, like, you really have to love all aspects of being on stage, being off stage, the business, the travel, all of it to keep going.

[B]

Yeah, he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He, like, he. You could genuinely see, like, he. It, like, it energizes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it lights him up. Like, that's why, like, we say, stay up until 4am on the bus because, yeah. Like, honestly, our night's over at 9:30, but. But we're up all night because, I don't know, I guess got a lot.

[A]

Of energy after doing that.

[B]

Yeah, but it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy.

[A]

And so now on to the Midwest. Does that. Are you. Does it change anything? Like, when you're in a different city, different people?

[B]

Yeah, there's some stuff I'm doing differently.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I'm just realizing, like. Like even Jackie's thing, like, I don't say I'm progressive anyways. I'm not trying to. The joke isn't like, I am a progressive. The jokes just. I just say, like, love is love now.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, because I'm not. I'm not trying to bring politics.

[A]

I did, I did. Like, I was like, I don't know where this is gonna go yet, but it is. If you're gonna declare one way or the other, people are gonna have a feeling about that. And then it didn't end up being, like, political. But that's just become one of those words where people go, but those are cool things to pick up on, too, where it's just, like, not like a right or wrong, but just a tweak of, like, it'll be a little different, a little bit better, easier, whatever.

[B]

Yeah. And it's. It's also like that. That really played in Connecticut. I think I got an applause break, actually. But, like, there were other parts where.

[A]

It was, like, it didn't play as.

[B]

Well as it did in Connecticut.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's easier just to go, love is love. Because, again, it's not a political joke.

[A]

But even saying that would be funny if you went, oh, that. That was different in Connecticut.

[B]

Yeah, that would get a laugh.

[A]

You know, I. I just. I said this would be like, if, you know, if Jalen Brunson came in the office and was like, hey, Pabs, you want to, like, play with us tonight? And, like, that's a little silly, but, like, not really. Like, the. The royalty that comed to just do their thing at their level is, like, getting to just free pass to be a famous icon, you know? And you just. But you also belong, you know? It's like.

[B]

There was. Honestly, the only. The first time I've ever felt like I was actually good was when we got into the room afterwards, and Bert just kind of gave me a look where he's like, you're so good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, okay, nice. Finally, like, someone who would have said otherwise. Someone who, like, would not want me with him.

[A]

Otherwise.

[B]

Like, he almost, like, he was, like, thinking to himself, he's like, you're so good.

[A]

Well, we did have a funny combo. Like, so if you listen to the podcast before John went on, he was like, I've done stand up, like, 40 times. And then we got backstage, and you were like, I said that in case Burr was listening. I have not done stand up 40 times. And then it was funny. Was. You were kind of like, splitting hairs. You were like, well, it was like, this many tours, and each Tour had, like, four dates, so it's probably, like, actually 30. And they were like, it doesn't matter if it's 30 or 40. This is all. None of this is enough for you to be good at this.

[B]

Like, I honestly don't know what the. It's probably 30 now.

[A]

Do you Do So now do you, like, I think you just go now. You just, you just do this like you're just a stand up comic and you just, it's just, you just go now and you can still do acting and blogging, whatever you want. But I'm just saying, like, like I.

[B]

Don'T know how to.

[A]

I don't know what the next step is. I don't know either. But, but, but this is my point.

[C]

Do you do.

[A]

Are you now like I have. You gotta figure this out.

[B]

Yeah, to an extent. Like, it, it's, it's kind of one of those things where like, I notice it makes me better at my other jobs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so that's why I like doing it. It's like, I notice like.

[A]

Do you think you're gonna go up like, you know, seven times a week in New York?

[B]

No. Just because I don't. I, I think they're like maybe once or twice I think I'd like to do. But I think after that you get the diminishing returns.

[A]

I, I'm with you on that. I feel like unless you're one of those sick who like, it's like you need it, you know? Yeah. Which I don't.

[B]

I very much enjoy it, but I don't need it.

[A]

But I, I. There is part of me that's like it, it just makes me think of.

[B]

Like, I guess actually, sorry. The. Like, I actually would like to go up tonight probably. But.

[A]

You'Re gonna go up to like three. You're gonna bounce from the stand.

[B]

Like, because last night I did some stuff that really worked. I want to make sure it's still done.

[A]

When are you back on? On Thursday. So you have a couple days. Yeah. You should probably like, try to keep it going.

[B]

I might. And then. But then also, I mean more like in the future, I think I'd like to do my own tour, obviously. Clubs. Maybe next, like 20, 27. I just don't think I'm good enough yet for like to ask someone to buy a ticket.

[A]

But, but you could, but you could have a year of like spots and.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like you should still do it. I just think of it as like when Riggs like found like golf is gonna be my thing and he just like went all in on it, you know? Or like when you find your lane about whatever it is, either a, a topic, genre, a medium. In this case, it's like all of that kind of combined. I think it's just, it's time to, to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. There's no, there's no doubts. There's no.

[B]

It's a real shame. It's a year after the decade of comedy reigned, ain't it?

[A]

Ain't it like, our story just be like. And then I became a comic when all comics collectively are like, it's hard to sell tickets, man. Like, everyone who did it became a millionaire the last 10 years.

[B]

Then I started. That's the game, baby. John Feidelberg, nice to meet you.

[A]

But. Yes, but also, you know, there are people. Comedy is always gonna go and like.

[B]

Oh, like, that's what I said. Like, it's not really the con. Like, I do. I very much like being up there. I. I don't like the moments before stage. I don't like the moments after stage. I really like being on stage.

[A]

I was saying almost the exact opposite. Like, my. My whole thing was. I. I likened it to betting where it's like, my. The highs of winning don't even come close to the lows of losing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I remember if we had a good KFC radio show, I would just be like, okay, the fans are happy. You guys think we did good. Cool.

[B]

Cool. Yeah.

[A]

And if we did bad or we never really did bad, but if I felt I didn't do good or whatever, I. And the whole time I'm nervous, I. That was terrible. And I never. I did not get enough rush, satisfaction, whatever you want to call it, from the good nights that it was like, I could do this every night for 10 nights, you know, seven nights a week, 10 spots a week. Week forever. Yeah. It just wasn't there for me. But it is interesting to see if you can parlay it into, like, now my skits are better or now. I also think there is. I think living is the most important thing completely.

[B]

And you're living. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't be more jokingly. And also in the way you really.

[A]

Because you're just. You have stories now. You have experiences now, good, bad, or otherwise, that like. Like, you know, you could sit on your couch and watch another episode of tv or you could go do some, you know, and it's easier.

[B]

I think that's also what made. Not that it was so easy, but that what made it easy is like, this is a win.

[A]

Win. Yeah.

[B]

If I bomb, that's funny.

[A]

Got material.

[B]

If I do great, that's funny.

[A]

Yeah, I do.

[B]

Okay. Whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like. Like, the only thing that wouldn't be fun is if I was just blocked.

[A]

Right.

[B]

If I got there and sucked, that would have been fun.

[A]

You know what it's like, I. I hope my ears are either super clean or disgusting. Either way, you know, there's something there. And I mean, I just. I can't. I can't wax poetic enough about Bert, though. Like, he. He's just. He, like, he's just. The way he did this is like, he's giving back to comedy. He's giving back just like. Like someone who. Who has been good to him and he's reciprocated. He's.

[B]

Yeah, I think I'm pretty in debt.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But you know what? Like, I don't know. There was. There was for sure a time, like, Mario posted, like, our first conversation with Bert was, like, in the crackhead studio, you know, back in the day, like.

[B]

Six, seven years ago, at least.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like, I think Bert was well on his way, but I think, like, we. We probably were. He benefited from us.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

[A]

I think he's return the favor and then some with an arena tour, certainly. But, like, you know, it's just good that Jackie was saying before that. She's just. She's like, I've watched you guys. You've done your thing. You've all. You've been very nice to everybody. You haven't burned any bridges. You haven't anybody over. Like, everybody likes you. You both keep pushing yourselves and doing it, and, like, it's working, and it's just, like, fun to watch. And I was like. Like, I think a lot of that was just naturally. But also it's nice to benefit from it. If someone turns around, like, I don't know if we were or not great. Or whatever. Bert would probably be like, you know, like, if he was on another podcast and someone said, like, yo, why don't you put him on stage? And he wouldn't have said no.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or he wouldn't have said yes, or he would have said yes and then pulled the favor back or whatever. You know, he was just, like, happy to do it. So I think it's not. I think he does that a little cavalier, like, let's just have a good time. But I think you also, like, picks and chooses.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

And you've. You've earned it. So know, Amsterdam, all that just, like, kind of leads to this. This. You know, it's all coming to this moment, and then you go out there, you smoke it. It's insane. It's really cool.

[B]

Lucky.

[A]

The Hershey Center. Hershey. Hershey park arena was Hershey. Was it called, like, the Giant Center? Giant center, yeah. I was like, I saw that. How many people was that?

[B]

I don't even know.

[A]

I mean, that was bigger, like, considerably bigger than the XL center, right? Yes.

[B]

Yeah, that was. I felt like double that.

[A]

Was that 15?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That was like a. Like a real, like, basketball arena. Like.

[B]

Like, that was women's basketball. It's not. What do they do, the Hershey Bears?

[A]

What is that?

[B]

It's a AHL team. HL team. I was a big fan of Crazy Like Candy and Hawk.

[A]

Is that where, like, Wilts did his 100 point games? Like that? Like, Archie Pennsylvania. What the. Is there.

[B]

That.

[A]

That was that picture you sent me. I was like, whoa.

[B]

Yeah, that one was. That one was. That was big.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Did you explore any of the cities, or were you kind of like in the arenas the whole time?

[B]

Yeah, that's actually an interesting part. Like, a lot of your life is bowel of arena to bowel of arena. Like, you get in the bus inside of an arena, you wake up in the next one. Yeah, but Richmond, because it was a theater, we had. There wasn't the battles of an arena. So we park outside, and Bird actually said that we went out.

[A]

We went.

[B]

We went on a hike, and we, like, exercised. And he was saying. He's like, this is what I like about theaters, is that they force you to get outside, whereas an arena, like. Like, they have catering set up the gym.

[A]

Yeah. You could like, never see the light of day if you don't eat inside.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Which is very weird, right? Like. Yeah, I think.

[B]

I think from, like, Thursday to Saturday, I don't think I got. I think. I don't think I had fresh air.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just bus and basement.

[B]

Yeah. I might might add, the only fresh air I got was while I stepped outside to smoke.

[A]

Man, that is so dope. That is so great. And by the way, we were saying, I think this is one of Bert's best sets in, like, a long time. Yeah, it's the best I've seen him in a while. When he figures out the of the things he's working on, tinkering with for his special. It's going to r some of those stories. I'm like, oh, baby. It's almost, like, crazy. That's like, I can't believe he still has, like, a. A Leanne story that's like, that good. You know, it's like, you would have thought he's gone through all of them and, nope, the best one's still yet to come. It's crazy.

[C]

He's so fun. And I feel like I can listen, like, funny family stories for hours.

[A]

I. I like that. I was saying some people, you know, want him to, like, tell jokes. Like, that's not real comedy to me. It's like, it's. You're never going to hear that anywhere else because it's his story and his family, you know, that stuff. So I think it's a great show you guys are putting on. Do you know who. Anybody else who's gonna be on the.

[B]

The second Blandford next weekend?

[C]

Oh.

[A]

That'S a great one. That trio. The Felberg Blandford Krer trio.

[B]

Watch once again, just the nicest comedian in the world who's gonna help me. Or I imagine she'll be very nice.

[A]

But imagine if she was just.

[B]

Maybe I'll be shocked. And she'll be like, you suck, dude.

[A]

That's great, man. I'm proud of you. Congrats. It's really awesome.

[B]

Thank you very much. Thank you guys for coming, too. Obviously, like, it really meant a lot that, like, literally everyone I know came like, that.

[A]

That was so great and, like. And to not have to, like, lie or anything. Like, it was like.

[B]

No, it was great, man.

[A]

I swear.

[B]

You didn't, like, when you fell on.

[A]

Your face, no one noticed. Like, I was just like, oh, that was good, dude.

[C]

It was so good. No, that was seriously. So, like I was saying before, like.

[A]

It was really cool to see. Very natural. Very, very natural. Natural. Oddly natural. I was like, it's not gonna make any sense. It's.

[C]

It's also, like, last thing. It's like a new. It's like. It's like meeting a new John.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think it's like, just comedian John. Yeah.

[A]

New chapter, right?

[B]

Yeah, that's basically what it is. I'm just pretending to be sweet.

[A]

Are you guys, like, watching TV and movies on the bus?

[B]

We did not. We couldn't get the TVs to work this time. Usually they do okay.

[A]

Because that's where you're gonna shine. But, yeah, I got this show for you. Yeah.

[B]

Put your goddamn.

[A]

Some good recommendations of, like, off the beaten path that people might not know. It's like, that's how you get to go on every tour.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Like, I'll travel the world with Final Bird. He's got. He knows all the good to watch. That would be sick.

[B]

That actually is a good idea. Hopefully we can figure it out this time.

[A]

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[C]

Well, wasn't it in the emails?

[A]

So the email, I mean, I don't like to. To. To, like, I don't want to rain on the parade. Like, I don't want to ruin the joke. Like, just go with it.

[C]

It.

[A]

But to me, it read like sort of like if something was happening here. And I was like, oh, they must have naked pictures of Jackie. Like, yeah, she's getting blackmailed. Being like, I think that's what it was. Not like, they have Naked pictures of Jackie. It's like, the reason. Why is he doing this? Oh, do they have the pictures of. Does. Does Putin have the pictures of them sucking dick? So, but what I thought was very funny is Epstein's brother came out and clarified and said, bubba is not Bill Clinton. The, the. The thing, the thing said like, Donald Trump and Bubba. And he was like, that's a different Bubba. Why is the clarification not. He didn't actually suck.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

The clarification is, oh, it was a different Bubba. Well, is he sucking something other Bubba's dick? You know, so there's a lot of funny elements to it. But I just know for a guy who likes like, you know, if you say that, like his shoe size isn't big enough, he freaks out. Or like, you know, your hands are orange, he freaks out. You don't like my hair? It's like a week long Twitter storm for everyone to. Either there, I think. I don't actually believe it happened, but I think there are people who actually believe it happened or the people are just happy to go along with the joke. Tons of that going on. He just gotta be dying.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's also not the type. Like, what you should do in this situation is lean into it, put out your own joke, making fun of yourself. Like, yeah, and that kind of disarms everybody. But, you know, that ain't happening. Like, that is. That's not his style.

[C]

The memes have been coming out about Eric like a one.

[A]

Oh, so good. This is. This is where, like, you know, Twitter is like, I don't even. I'm happy that it's called X now because I'm like, that ain't even. That ain't even the Twitter I grew up with. Like, it's. It's not the same at all. But when those things pop off every now and then, you get a little taste of the old days where it's like, everyone is. No one's really arguing. This is certainly political. So there is arguing and fighting. But it's also like, right now we're just focused on getting these jokes off and these memes and these Photoshops and all that. And like, one common goal of just being funny, and it is hilarious. And like, just. I just.

[B]

I would love to be a fly.

[A]

On the wall while he's scrolling or his press secretary or his PR people. What do you do about this? You know, he's just like, I didn't suck his dick. It's just so good, man.

[C]

He probably already so stressed out with like just the list in general.

[A]

Yeah. Because that's heating up. And yeah. All these emails coming out, you would think he's like worried about that, but he.

[C]

Yeah, and then some press, some like poor intern has to be like, hey, actually they are talking about something else.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't worry.

[B]

They're not talking about you being on.

[A]

The FC list, but Bill Clinton, you sucked his dick.

[C]

I'm confused. Might I suggest like not running on the promise promise that you're going to release the Epstein lifts. If you think that there is a chance that you might be. I'm confused.

[A]

One would say that's a smart thought. I mean, this is like all politics. Like you run on campaign promises that you're not planning on delivering or you can't deliver. Like that is the name of the game. That's why I thought it was so funny when people are getting bent out of shape about Mamdani. Like he's not going to deliver. It's like no one delivers. We didn't build the wall and Mexico didn't pay for it and we didn't. You know, everyone's always promising tax slashing. That never happens. He said, we're going to make the bus free. The governor was immediately like, no, we're not.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So in this case, he's probably like, let's just tell him, you know, I'm going to reveal jfk, the aliens and the Epstein list. People want that. Good. And then I'll never do it. But yeah, if I knew I was a part of it, I would probably just not make it the focal point above my campaign. Like, I wouldn't like, like hiding from it also looks suspicious as well. So I wouldn't quite do that. But I just wouldn't be like, I'm the guy who's going to reveal the list of pales. It's like, sir, you're one of them.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

I don't hear crazy. Yeah, but it is like that Marjorie Taylor Green is clearly like making her move. She's talking about him now and like he's getting booed at the commander game. Like there's, there's. There's a little bit of a shift going on, that's for certain.

[C]

So with the like Bill Clinton stuff, did you see that? Somebody was like, at Hillary Clinton. Like if you just tweeted, it's true, you'd probably win the 2028 election.

[A]

Yeah. The opportunities right now. That's where I always say that there's all these politic politicians who are kind of trying to do Trump, but they can't do it, you know, so right now, if the tables were turned and Trump had like a meme trend like this going on in one of his enemies, he would be killing it. He'd be running up the score. So someone's got to do, you know, the same for him. But, well, right now it seems like the Internet's taking care of it for you, so they're probably just like, all right, I don't need to. That. But that. That's a rumor. That's. That's gonna stick for quite some time. If I was Donald Trump, I'd be like, can I just die already? Because, like, you know, his ego won't allow him to, like, step down or, like, like, end his term and just peacefully go. So the only other option is death. Like, I just got to die here. Otherwise I'm going to look and I'm going to get talked about me.

[C]

But do you think. Do you think it's, like, will ride out? Like it's something that he can just ride out, or is this just going to be this.

[A]

This rumor?

[C]

Yeah, well, just like, all of it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

How does it end?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know know. I think there's enough people who are just like, die hard dick suckers of his that will just, like, ride for him forever. But there does seem to be, like, some of. Even some of his own, like, companion people are. Are starting to, like, sour on him or just at the very least, see the, like, writing on the wall of, like, someone else is going to have to run, and I want it to be me. That's always the weird thing is, like, you got to be like, boys with your party until you think it's your time, and then it's like, now we're enemies.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and, like, when do you flip that switch? You got to make sure you do it at the right time. Not too soon, not too early. I don't know. But yeah, it is interesting to think of, like, he has probably gone through arguably, like, throughout human history, like, one of the wildest rides, like, to. To end up here. And I. I just feel like those things usually end, like, tragically or abruptly or. I don't. I think it's very rare if you're. If you're like a lightning rod on his level, you. That you eventually just go, like, and now my time is done. I'm gonna go, like, retire and, like, live out my days quietly with Melania. Yeah, I don't think that's happening, you know, What? I mean, I think usually when you're this level, like, there's some finality to it, but I don't know what that would be, other than, like, something criminal or something, you know, life and death. Because I just can't imagine him being, like, at the inauguration, like, swearing in the next guy, like, yeah, I left a note for the next person who won one, like all the other presidents. Like, he's just never going to do that. So, yeah, I mean, I got to.

[C]

Say, like, probably top. Top 10 most fascinating lives.

[A]

I know. That's why it sucks that he's so, like, the Sebastian. Stan did that movie, like, a year or two ago that, like, got blackballed and no one talked about it, and I never even watched it, but I did hear it was really good. Like, someone, hopefully somebody one day does a movie or the book, and it's not just immediately disregarded by half the people who hate him. Because there is, whether you love them or hate them, it's interest. And there's, like, to learn from that or adapt from and change or whatever, but by just, like, burying your head in the sand and being like, orange man bad, it's like, okay, well, yeah, we could do that, or we could talk about, like, why this happened and, like, will it happen again? And, yeah, how do you do it if you want to be successful and all that? Sort of. I, I, the f. I got totally overshadowed by everything else. The MRI stuff. Did you see that?

[C]

That. No.

[A]

So he did an mri, and I think, you know, whenever that happens, people like, are you sick? Are you dying? Is something wrong? And so he's on Air Force One, and somebody's like, President, Mr. President. Like, you were in an MRI. Like, is everything okay? Like, what's that about? And he was like, all right, here's what happened. I did an mri. The doctor said it was the best MRI has ever done.

[C]

What?

[A]

The doctor said the best MRI results he's ever seen. Okay. Man.

[C]

I mean, he was Obviously, I do.

[A]

MRIs better than you.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It's just everything is so funny.

[C]

Do you think that, though, there will be, like, I could see a world in which there's classes, classes, class. Like college classes. Specifically, on his.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. I mean, like, Harvard Business. Harvard Case Study. Like, for sure. On.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's everything from, like, marketing and public speaking, business, politics, power, you know, gender stuff, race stuff. I mean, it's got it all. It's got it all. Yeah. Put a little bit of distance between it, where people like, because what you need is someone like one of like some of the smartest minds to like write that book or deliver that thing. And I think right now they're like so anti him that those people wouldn't even engage. You know, so you just need like a little bit of space for them to be like, all right, now that this is over or whatever, now we can do it a little more. More. What really needs to happen is like once he's dead. Because I, I think there are people who won't want to give him any sort of props or credit.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Or do anything that's considered to like prop him up. So it's like once he's gone, then people can be honest and be like, well, he was funny. Or he was like, you know, I've heard people just be like, he's stupid. Like he's a dumb person. And it's like, I, I don't think you can say that about someone who's like, like just done everything he's done. You know, it might not come across. It's not like the best vocabulary or the most eloquent or intelligent in like the, those regards. But in terms of just like street smarts and life accomplishments and reading a room and confidence and power and all that stuff, like, come on, you can't, yeah. The most important person in the world one way or another.

[C]

It captures people for some reason.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't be honest about that. You can't even say that. Like, like, yeah, so, so there's that. I did think it in all this Epstein stuff. Megan Kelly's comments were pretty bonkers. Did you see that? She was, she was explaining that someone she knows who is like involved in the epine investigation. So like kind of has like firsthand knowledge, I think, or someone who's very intimately close to it. She was echoing what he said and I don't think she did a good job of establishing that. So a lot of people thought it was like her comments. But either way, whether it's her comments or echoing someone, she basically was like Epstein and those guys are not pedophiles. They're into 15 year old girls.

[C]

I did hear this.

[A]

Not what you want to say.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I, I there you, There is a difference between a like teenager and a five year old or a two month old. I get that, like there is, you can discern there's different differences in those things. But in terms of just like the what, defining pedophilia as like, I'm not gonna be the one to say that if there's some clinical doctor who says, like, actually anything above the age of eight is some. Fine, let that guy say that. Me, the talking head analyst on a sports. On a news show like Megyn Kelly, you ain't gonna catch me being like, they're only 15. Like, they're no big deal. You know, they're not five. Like, that came across crazy insane to say that. Crazy. And like, I. I don't know, someone who's been in the game as long as her, like, you gotta know that or see that coming or whatever, but that was nuts.

[C]

Yeah, it's like 15 is so young.

[A]

Yeah. Like, come on. Come on. So that was. That was a strange one as well. Also, while we're. We're kind of talking about social media and Twitter and all that, I debated, like, leaving this one alone, but. But I'm going to dive into it because when I'm going through, when I've gone through, I wish there were more people who, like, spoke up or kind of defended me. So my boy Rory from the Rory and Mall show is in all sorts of hot water on Twitter. And I. I don't know if I should even speak on this because sometimes, like, someone from barstool coming to you in your argument almost makes things worse. So I don't want to do that, but I do want to speak my mind on this. So Rory, white dude who's been in, like, the hip hop space forever, was work, was on the Joe Budden show and now has his own thing with. With him and Maul, and he had some old tweets surface that were, like, racial jokes and, like, some insensitive comments. Some of them were, like, jokes. Some of them were kind of fake. Some of them were real. Like back in the day on old Twitter. Do you ever. Were you ever around when you did, like, a manual, Archie, you would write rt. Yeah, the person person. So a lot of times people would. I would be like, RT @ Jackie, and I would make you make it look like you said something crazy. You know what I mean?

[C]

Wait, that was how you retweeted. Sorry.

[A]

So you could. So. So you could quote, tweet really didn't exist yet.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

So you could just press retweet, or if you wanted it to be your tweet and add your commentary. So you could. If Jackie tweeted like, I love the Yankees, I would be like, the Yankees suck. I love the Mets. RT at Jackie. And then your tweet got it. So it's like, here's what she said, I'm retweeting it and I'm adding my commentary. Okay, but what you could do is make up, like, make it look like you said something crazy.

[C]

Got it.

[A]

So at least like, one of those tweets was that. And it was kind of like making fun of, of like, ethnic names and that kind of. And so he got in some hot water over it and that I really, I, I can't, I, I don't, I don't stand for that anymore. For, like, a couple reasons. Reasons. One, it seems like a lot of the, like, hate they were getting he because their whole podcast was catching it that weekend because they were talking about Kendrick Lamar and the clips and rap. And I think there was a lot of Kendrick Lamar stands who think that they are too pro Drake. So I felt it was like you have a fan base of people, like, looking for on you that I already am. Like, if something happens, if you've done something wrong, fine. But when you have someone like, like, intentionally combing through your past to try to you, I'm like, I, I, I don't, I don't even pay attention to that anymore. I also really as this, there's three things. There's that the, the chasing, finding, looking to try to tear you down. Number two is I feel this way. And I, I've heard a lot of, like, people in, like, colleagues of mine who do this for a living are kind of coming to this realization of like, the Internet and particularly Twitter literally isn't real. Like, it's not real. It's like, it's hard to say that people think it's like, in 2025, it's real. You can't say that the Internet's not real. It's like, it's almost the opposite. Like, we've been on this so much and so much has gone on. You have to realize this is its own little ecosystem where people will be outraged and people will love you and they'll defend you and they'll hate you and they'll laugh at you and they'll make fun of you and all that, all that happens here. And then like, the second you put your phone down and walk away, it's over. Like, it does not happen. And of course, there are certain things that will bleed into real life if you've, like, really up. But instances like this are like, you're trying to tear me down and you're looking for it. You're doing this just on this one app where you feel like you have a soapbox to stand on and A and a audience to speak to and the minute that, that you turn it off, it's just gone. And then the third thing is if you were not around for like, like those days of Twitter, I almost think like you can't, you're not allowed to speak on them. Cuz it was just crazy. It was different, it was funnier, it was less gotcha culture, it was less arguing, there was like no politics. It was just around and having fun and with people getting with telling jokes, getting joked on, all that sort of. So I'm like, I don't know, you know, half of you guys are probably 20 years old and I have no clue what it was like back then, then. So I don't know, I add up all those things and I'm sort of like this, this just feels like one of those Internet like witch hunts. And the main thing to me is like there's a few people, there's a few guys in the hip hop space who are white dudes who are like pillars of it. Rory's one of them. This guy Parks on the Joe Budden show is another one. DJ Vlad's a huge one. Adam22 There are certain guys that are like in the hip hop space that I think it's kind of crazy to say that, to try to play that that guy is the racist guy. You know what I mean? You could, there's another whole other discussion. People call them cultural vultures. They'll say we don't want to hear white people's opinions on hip hop like that they, they deal with all the time. But like I, I, these guys who are like embedded in the hip hop life, who are constantly involved and around black culture and music and like the lifestyle. Like I, I think you're, you're really wasting your time to try to tear that person down like that. If anything, that's like one of the few people that interesting.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Has been like an ally to use a, like a overused cliche term. But like it would almost be impossible for him to be him if he was racist. You know what I mean? Because he's just, it's just been his life for so long. If anything, I'm pretty sure, I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Rory has, is like exclusively not with white women. He's probably, he's racist against the whites. I think Rory hates the whites more than any anything. So I, I just, I, I find it to be like sometimes when these witch hunts happen, it's like this is the guy. Like there's there's plenty of people to do this who are really like that. And you're gonna try to pin it on this dude who has done like everything he's done has been the antithesis of that. Other than a couple tweets, some of which taken out of context, some of them silly, some of them bad for sure. But I don't know, it's just like, if you're really bent out of shape about this, there are way bigger and worse examples of people to go after than this dude. You know, it got picked up by TMZ and like tmz. I almost got to tip my cap to them. They made a thumbnail that was like his face, the logo of the podcast, and then a Beyonce thumbnail with a white whited out shirt that said hood rat across.

[B]

He was like, holy, this is, they.

[A]

Were going after it. So I think the latest was that he deleted his Twitter. And I was like, more power to you, bro. Like the, the get the off of Twitter. If you, I know. I, I, I think it's hard for some people. Like, certain, like we were a Twitter company, certain podcasts, certain, like hip hop is a Twitter thing. Like there's certain kind of like realms that really operate on Twitter. And I think sometimes you feel like if I'm not on it, I'm out of loop, out of touch, out of the loop. And that might be true, but whatever you lose in, in, in that, that like, you'll gain in just like peace of mind getting the off of there.

[C]

My, my sister for, she's like in marketing and for work. They want to get into Reddit. And so they informed her, they were, they were like, can you try and figure out Reddit? Go on it, get to know it. And so then she went on and she has to like, be able to post. So she has to, I don't know, work up the points. Yeah, whatever. I don't really know how it works.

[A]

And all that, but so just she.

[C]

Just tries to go, she knows about like New York food. Well, so she was, okay, I'll go in the New York foodie, whatever. Instantly she posts something. She's getting like death threats. Like immediately.

[A]

They're like, food.

[C]

You don't know what the you're talking about. Have you ever tried dumb? What like, whatever, all this. She's getting so much hate and then she's fighting back with people. So now she's like getting mad. And so then I would just like look over, she'd be on her phone, she'd be huffing and puffing. And she would be like responding to these Reddit people. And it was just like, I mean, obviously I knew how toxic the Internet is, but it was such like a tangible example example. If we would be, we were literally just like hanging out at a bar and then I would see her looking down, huffing and puffing, I'd be, are you on the Reddit again?

[A]

Yeah. Like, you could just be having fun, but you're choosing to, to just torture yourself over here.

[C]

It was like day one, she got sucked into like the toxicity of it.

[A]

Well, almost like good for her because that means she's making waves. Most people you post on Reddit just disappears into the abyss. Whenever she said got the people going. It was provocative.

[C]

Then she's, now she like has learned to. She's like almost bullying people because. Because then she learned like somebody posted something and then she, she did this is a dumb take. And then she got a bunch of update up votes.

[A]

So now she was like, game in the system now.

[C]

They love me on there now.

[A]

But that, see that the, the thing is that like people, especially when there's a voting system, we did this with barstool commenters too. It's like the easiest thing to do to get your upvotes was like, whatever the cliche of the moment is, you know, like, this person sucks. I'm gonna get all my upvotes votes. So they just say that whether they believe it or not, you know, and then it becomes, everyone does believe it because the top comments are always that. And it's like, oh, wow, this is how rumors start or reputations get ruined or whatever. Because it's just this game of like, whatever gets the most attention. Yeah, Reddit. Reddit's another one where it's like there are, there are parts of Reddit that are like amazing. Like you can find these quirky weird things and old things that from the past you forgot and just like, wow, what a great story. And then it's also like, these are the worst people on the planet or Earth and they will try to tear you down. Same thing with Twitter. Twitter, like, is the best thing for news and jokes and trends and memes. But then it's also like, they will, they'll try to ruin you. That, that was the, the one thing I will say after, like the tweets came out, they, they did a Twitter space. Like these fans did a Twitter space. And Rory joined it and was on there for four hours.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Because when he first joined, he was sort of like, you guys, what are you Talking about, like, kind of defiantly pushing back and then started to realize, like, oh, this is, like, pretty real. Like, some of these people are really either bent out of shape or taking this seriously or want answers. And he was like, then I couldn't just leave, so I had to, like, keep going. And then. And then there's one person who's being an. So you're like, that guy and you're yelling at him, but then there's someone else who's just being, like, earnest and asking for an answer, but they're all getting lumped together so you come across bad. You know, it's like, like, I really. I really, really believe in when. If you up or you. Or you've done something or you're involved in a situation where you need to address something, you got to do that. But otherwise, like, taking the time to try to explain away yourself. Like, explaining never works because the people who hate you are not going to, like, listen to your explanation, and the people who are already backing you don't need to hear it. So you're really just talking and making it worse. Unless there's like a direct, like, I'm accused of this crime. Like, here's my alibi. I didn't do it. Like, you got to explain yourself. But if it's just. Yeah, right, right, right. But if. If it's just a. Like, my feelings versus your feelings and my opinions and views versus yours, and we're just going to argue and they have no skin in the game. They're anonymous, they're not famous. They don't have a career under that. They can say and do whatever they want, want. And you are now in, like, you're just bringing yourself down to their level, and it's just never gonna work.

[C]

Well, if you don't mind me asking, was he. Was it a case of he was saying, this was years ago. I've learned a lot since then, etc.

[A]

It was a little bit of both. So, like, One of the RTs was like, that was like, that was just totally made up. I was like, with that person. Then there was some that were like, oh, I didn't tweet that. Like, the girl I was dating at the time who was black said that. And it's like, I don't know that's true or not, you know. So some of them, I think, were real. Some of them were probably not as bad as being portrayed. Some of them were a mix, Mix and match. And I think what I did hear him say was, you know, he was sort of like, not Apologizing, like, he's like, I'm not racist, and I. And I, like, don't stand for that. But, like, some of those tweets were stupid and insensitive, and if I, like, offended you and that upset you, like, I'm sorry for that. And then he. He for sure was like, I totally mishandled myself in that Twitter space. Like, that I apologize for. So I, you know, he didn't. I think he was very accountable for what he needs to be accountable for. And the rest of it is like, sort of. But it is such a fine line of, like, barstool's gone through so many, been around so long. There was for sure a time that I was like, never apologize for anything. Then there was a time where I was like, apologize immediately and just make this go away. And now I'm somewhere back where it's like, like, apologize when you need to, but it's the people who are just apologizing for they didn't even do. That's why I love Sydney Sweeney's answer the other day, where it was like, everyone's like, wouldn't it have just been easier to say, like, yeah, this is bad, I don't support it. It's like, yeah, yeah, I guess so. But also, that just opens up another can of worms. And now you're apologizing for. Think where do you stop? What's they just. They can pick out another thing and force you to apologize and they can just do this game forever. So I like, I think it's better to stand your ground. But if you've, like, up, then, then apologize. But anything else I don't think is worth. If it's a mob, I don't think it's worth it. If it's like, I, I hurt you, I up with you, I'll apologize for that. But if it's just like, a whole bunch of people online have now had this opinion of me because they already didn't like me and they're just looking for things to tear me down with. I'm not going to cater to that, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So. But, yeah, I think it's getting harder and harder to justify, like, even existing on Twitter anymore. Like, what is the value?

[C]

I know.

[A]

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[C]

I actually forget exactly what it was.

[A]

It was oh, beach house Nikki, smoke stuff.

[C]

No, because it was before then. It was with the Zach Bryan stuff. I think he was saying I for I. You know what I forget.

[A]

Well either way they've, they've had their differences. I think it's kind of an interesting Kirk himself was like there are going to be plenty of people who are running up the score on me and dunking on me and like that's fine. I say a lot of things about a lot of people. Like I wasn't putting this out there for sympathy. This was just simply an update. I. I mean, I can't say that, like, Kirk and his fans are gonna, like, like Brianna by any means. I know his fans are probably going bonkers on her. I think Kirk himself would probably be like, that's fair. I don't think he likes it. Would prefer people not to. But I'm. Those same people would prefer Kirk to not be all up in their business. Business. So I think he himself would probably be, like, fair game. I don't think the minute fans will.

[B]

Think of it that way.

[A]

They always rally to, you know, defend their leader. So I think you can look at that a. A bunch of different ways. Like, I. I don't think I would say anything negative just for your own, like, reputation and PR and career. Like. Like, I think it's just always easier to take. Better to take the high road in those moments.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I've also never really been in, like, the crosshairs with Kirk. We've had, like, our spats here and there. But, like, if. If there was a time where Kirk was, like, going after me and my family and, like, to the point that, like, some of these people get, like, in battles with him and then you have a chance to, like, run up the score on him, I can't say for sure. I wouldn't.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't think I would. But. But not out of, like, respect for that person. If there was someone who was, like, killing me over the years and then they have this moment, I think I would say, I'm not gonna say anything because that just look makes me look bad. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I wouldn't be like, no, no. He deserves grace right now. We need to help him. I'd be like, I don't know. That guy's been terrible to me. Like, him. But, like, I'm not going to make myself. I'm not gonna. I'm gonna take the high road. I'm not gonna, like, stoop. I would view it as, like, I'm not stooping to their level.

[C]

I. I took it as she probably. She's probably aware, and she probably was like, I'm not. Like, it is hypocritical, but she probably was like, I'm not trying to not be hypocritical.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If I had to guess, like, I.

[A]

Well, it's also the mental health stuff's weird because, like, there's definitely been moments where she's like, be a good person and. And mental health matters. And then you're, like, stabbing this guy that's what I mean. It's almost like it's not about the. The enemy of yours, like, and whether it's just more like you could dunk on them right now. But is that a good idea for, like, your brand and for what you say and all that sort of stuff? You know, it's just. I think in those instances, it's easier to just be like, say nothing at all or question about it. Big. Oh, that sucks. Like, or. Or one of those, like, I hope. I hope his family is doing well. Like, hope, you know, for his family's sake they get through this or something where it's like, I still hate that guy, but, you know, gonna kind of take the high road.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But also, I'm very. I very much believe in, like, this is the Internet. It's not, like, a nice place. It's not. It's not a place for mental health, and I think not a place for goodness and all that. It's. It's. It's ugly out here, so. And if you want to get. If someone's been ugly to you and you want to get ugly back, like, that's how it goes.

[C]

I think that people also follow Brie because she's an influencer. That's not.

[A]

So, like, sanitized. Like, everything's all perfect.

[C]

Yeah. And like, she's unfiltered. Yeah, I guess so. That is kind of her brand.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Already. Yeah.

[A]

Whatever you're feeling in that moment.

[C]

Like. But, you know, then it's also like mental health and is. There's arguments to both sides. Like, I. I could see it's an interesting convers.

[A]

Like, I think there's a lot, A lot there because it's also like, you know, the Internet is not real. Right. I say that it's like. Like, Kirk is always a funny one where he could be like, you're a piece of. And then like, you see him at the next, like, barstool event, and he'd be like, hey, what's up, man? You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, that's not normal. And I. I don't expect people to just be able to say, oh, okay, like that Twitter. That Twitter rant he went on, or he just used me for material that day on his show. He doesn't actually hate me. I get that. It's very real, those feelings, especially when a mob goes after you. Whatever. But there is an element of. I. I think with him, of just like, I'm here to entertain and talk about provocative topics. And, like, you were one of them that day. But like, I really. Beyond that. No big deal.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I think other people are like, it doesn't just stop there. It goes beyond that. It's like affected me and my life and my family and so now like, you back. But, you know, it's. It is one of those things, like if you had just put away your phone or didn't know that story at all, would you have got caught up in this? You know, but. But also maybe like she felt a. A supreme sense of like she got. Got a little bit of revenge or like got it off her chest and feels better. So, like more power to you. But I just think those things tend to open up more doors to more bad than this. Like, it's going to be not as helpful as you think to like, get that opinion off, you know, but we'll see how that goes. I mean, it's. I think Kirk is like, you know, totally off the grid now, taking care of himself. So I don't think there'll be much back and forth after that, but I'm sure the minute fans will keep on going. But that's, That's a good example of the people you should just not listen to. Like, you know, at Kirk's and you know, they all have these like, alternate personalities and parodies and that are all like Kirkman related. It's like, you don't need to reply to like at Kirk's grandma. Like, these are all just people on the Internet, like, doing dumb Internet that really shouldn't be a part of your regular life. But so get well soon, Kirk. Yeah, get back at it. And I'm sure the Internet will be waiting for you when you do. And one other thing. I. I can't stand Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo. I can't stand that little dynamic. Drives me insane, man. I actually liked the other day for a split second, they were walking like some red carpet and a fan grabbed Ariana Grande. Did you see that?

[C]

No.

[A]

And Cynthia Erivo, like, like bounced. She was a bouncer. Like, get the out of here. Like, grabbed the girl, grabbed a girl, like, got away. And I was. It was like, that was cool. Like, she defended her girls. She was hole in space for Ariana Grande. But then I've seen like, so like, if they're like that, like all the time, it's like she's treats her like a little kid almost that like, needs to be defended, you know, it was some interviewer that, yeah, it was weird. Some interviewer grabbed Ariana Grande's arm and like, shook It. He was sort of like, yeah, like, you did it or something like that. And, like, shook her hand.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Pretty, like, violently. And Cynthia Rebo, like, reached over and was like, no, no, no. Like, stop doing that. And then, like, grabbed Ariana Grande's arm and, like, petted it and, like, went like that and, like, kissed it. Like, is your arm okay? And I was just like, what is going on with you two? Why are you constantly touching and talking and crying? And it's just weird, man.

[C]

I mean, Caroline's parody video, so good. Is so.

[A]

It's so accurate.

[B]

And maybe.

[A]

Maybe they're now. I think they're out, like, leaning into it, like, doing it on purpose. Like, it's the second press run and they're like, let's. Because I'd almost, like, respect that and get it. Otherwise, if they're just naturally this weird and touchy and protective and all the time, it's bizarre as.

[C]

I think it's like a. I don't know what they're trying to prove.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But. And, like, I get that they actually. I. You know, they probably are actually. Actually. I don't know. Do you think they actually like each other?

[A]

I. That's what I mean. Like, you know, these. These movie sets, you hear that these people, like, butt heads and clash and they're like big personalities and egos and divas. And then I think there's also times where it's like, yeah, we're best friends and we clicked. But almost like, I think if you were best friends with someone, you wouldn't. That feels more performative. Yeah, you were actually friends with someone, you would just be bullshitting and whatever. If we were like. If it was like, yo, me and Jackie worked on this movie together, and like, we really clicked. Clicked. And now I'm, like, constantly protecting her and touching her and crying together and be like, that's not what friends do. Like, that's what, like, mothers and children do. That's what people who are, like, trying to perform do. This is the whole thing is just.

[C]

No, there's something really off putting about it. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, and some of the commerce. Some of the interviews, I think, are, like, deep questions that do, like, evoke emotions. But I'm like, why are you constantly crying talking about this? Like, it's not that deep, not that serious.

[C]

I haven't seen any of the new interviews.

[A]

They're just more of the same. It's just like, more of the craziness and may.

[C]

Maybe it is like a PR thing.

[A]

I mean, it goes viral, like, every Time. So it might just be like. I think I could see where it was real. The first. The holding space thing. And. And then they're like, all right, this works, so let's, like, do more of it. But, yeah, I would. Or they're just that crazy to know, like.

[C]

Like the top 10 most shocking PR stunts of all time. Like, I'm sure that there's some out there that I want.

[A]

The ones that aren't. That are, like, more, like, under the radar a little bit.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

If you tell me that.

[C]

I mean, like, the ones that we haven't even, like, thought of, like, this.

[A]

Grand thing that we thought was so crazy. Oh, that was all planned. Fine. More so I want to find out one where it's like, why don't you guys, like, just flirt a little bit or fight a little bit or just say a couple things, and it just, like, builds this whole thing. It's like, oh, yeah, that was all fake.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because that's where I think real PR happens. Like, I mean, I've been joking that I want to do PR for some of these people, because, like, when I see that, what, like, how Sydney Sweeney was handling, like, all the negativity, I was like, why don't you just say this? And I think that what they were doing was stupid, but I wonder if the really good ones are behind the scenes. Like, oh, you didn't even know. Know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That. That was all orchestrated. We planned that whole thing. That. That's where I think you really earn your money. Because, like, putting out statements is like, yeah, we all know that was written by pr. Or like.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

When you do, like, a cool drop, it's like, yeah, we know that was planned for months and months, but little things that come across as natural, if they're planned. That's where.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Impressed.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

If. If it turned out that the Wicked weirdness was all a plan, 10 out.

[C]

Of 10, tip my cat, give everybody a raise.

[A]

Because also the people in that space, like, that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We are all like, this is awful. You know? But the people who want to go see Wicked, like, probably want them hugging, touching, and crying. So it's like, let's give them what they want. Piss off the other side and just, like, watch the attention.

[C]

I feel like with anyone but you, Glenn Powell, Sydney Sweeney thing, like, they definitely. At some point, that was accidental. And then they ran with it.

[A]

Yes, that was. The GQ interviewer was like, like, so those rumors were, like. They were rumors, but, like, not rumors and, like, kind of hint, like, trying to get that out of her. Like, so you guys faked that whole thing to get the attention. Right. I think.

[C]

But with that you could tell it was. You could see the point which they, their PR agents were like, keep going with that. And you could tell when it was fake, whereas at first it was not.

[A]

There was a definitive moment where regular PR would have been like, we're both going to come out and say like I'm happily engaged or like, or I'm with somebody. And like we would, we would have debted this. And they didn't either, they didn't confirm it or deny it, which is just like let the people keep going.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like let's take a couple pictures together and let them just do their thing.

[C]

But with Cynthia and Ariana, I don't really know if it seems like they're trying, like it seems like they're genuinely.

[A]

Just like that weird.

[C]

Trying to prove something to each other. I don't know.

[A]

One, one clip is called Rides a little bit out of context because the interviewer apparently did ask something emotional and so she was crying over that, which is also a little bit. It's like you should promoting a movie. Why are you crying? But whatever. She says something sad, they chop off the question. So it's just her crying and then a helicopter outdoors, a helicopter flies over and Cynthia, the Ariana Grande starts going, not now. A helicopter, not now. No, not now. And she's like rubbing her. No, go away, go away.

[C]

Oh, I've seen that.

[A]

And so people were like thinking that the helicopter made. Made her cry or whatever. Which that part's taken out of context and not real. But it's like this is still weird. Even if she asked like, hey, your parents died, tell me about that. And you're crying. Yeah, you're. The whole thing is like they're acting like infants, but they're also being. Trying to be so profound and like, it's just so weird.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because actually when people are actually close, that's when they're like making fun of each other or you know what I mean? Like your best friends are not the ones to be like, like, oh my God, are you okay?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The ones to be like, shut the up, Jackie. Like do another shot or whatever. You know, that's what your real friends do.

[C]

It's funny cuz the best PR to this day is still just saying a word wrong in a clip. Like, because then it's all. The engagement is like you say it like that.

[A]

But. And it's also like not bad enough that you're worried about the Blowback.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know, like, you can't. You could just be like, why don't you say anything inflammatory? It's like, well, I don't want my reputation to be ruined, so I'm just gonna. Like I say this word funny or. Or I don't know what this means. Or, you know, whatever. My. Maybe, maybe. Maybe here's a little. Maybe this one we could go tinfoil hat. When Demi Lovato said that her favorite dish is a mug. Oh, maybe that was pr. Maybe that was on purpose.

[C]

Because there was the clip before of the miss or the beauty pageant where the person asks or they're asked what their favorite date is, and then they say.

[A]

So he said, like the actual date.

[C]

Rather than the actual date.

[A]

Yeah. Like, she's like, October 3rd, because it's not the that.

[C]

So that already was in place.

[A]

Right. So they asked her, what's your favorite dish? Like, what's your favorite meal? And she says, like a mug.

[C]

Right?

[A]

Yeah, maybe.

[C]

Speaking of tinfoil hat with John's ear thing made me think about. Okay, so there are those little cameras that are just. I. We forget how small cameras can be.

[A]

We do forget that cameras can be small.

[C]

Can be small. They're obviously, if we can make cameras that small, the government's going to be all over that. Where are they? Where are these small cameras?

[A]

Probably everywhere.

[C]

Everywhere.

[A]

Probably watching right now.

[C]

And one time, I remember, like, there was at usc, there was this weird summer where there was all these bugs, giant flying bugs and drones.

[A]

There were drones.

[C]

It was just one summer. Every. I. I had asked everyone who was LA native, I said, have you guys ever seen these bugs here? They said, no. This is crazy. Like, what? And they would literally, like, I would be. Be just in.

[A]

Com.

[C]

It would come in conversation. Not that they were, like, tracking me or like, whatever, but like, it was all the time. They were everywhere this one summer. Never saw them again. Never heard of them again. Never heard of them before.

[A]

That sounds like a bunch of bugs who are actually cameras.

[C]

And I don't want to be like a. Birds aren't real.

[A]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe bugs aren't real.

[C]

Bugs aren't real.

[A]

Maybe. Maybe birds aren't real. Was the. They put that out there to cover up that bugs aren't real.

[C]

It's like bugs.

[A]

Like in the 90s when people. When guys were doing steroids in baseball.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Mark McGuire took, like, this creatine powder.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And put that front and center in his locker.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Because that was legal. It was kind of frowned upon, but legal. So it Was almost like, look at this.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

This substance I'm doing. That's allowed because you're not even talking about the one I'm not doing. So let's admit, let's, let's bring up this birds aren't real thing because actually it was not real bugs.

[C]

But. And this is my theory about like, like magicians and like Oz mentalists. Like, what's a better gonna be here tomorrow?

[A]

Yeah, I know, we should, I said we should just lock him in a closet and be like, if you're so magic, get out.

[C]

Get out.

[A]

Just a dark, like dark closet. You can't move. All right, magic man, get out.

[C]

And I bet he would because I think that seriously, if I was a magician, I would say, I have all these talents. I'm obviously gonna try and make money off of this. What better play what better place to hide than plain sight? Because when you're a magician, everyone says, all right, like tell me your secrets, what's your trick?

[A]

Right?

[C]

And you say, I'm a magician, I can't reveal my tricks.

[A]

But wait, wait, if you really were magic, isn't the move to not say you're a magician and just.

[C]

It is to say that you're magician? Cuz everyone's like, wow, he's really good. He must have practiced this for years. And they think, but he's not actually magic. Magic isn't actually real. Okay, all right, so then if you just hide in plain sight, then you're like, yeah, guys, magic isn't real.

[A]

Obviously, I'm just a performer. Guys, this is just a joke.

[C]

You just say, I'm, I'm magician, I can't reveal my secrets. And then you can, and you literally just ride out the rest of your life.

[A]

Cuz it's like I actually can't reveal my secrets because it actually is magic. If I use this magician cover up, you're not going to expect me to reveal my magic because I'm a magician.

[C]

And if there were magicians, like we wouldn't know about them because it would just erase our memories and then they would be. I just like, I don't.

[A]

What if like every day you're waking up and like it's just some magician, like planting in your memories and all that.

[C]

So one time I remember, Well, it's just going, it's gonna be. Sounds crazy. No.

[A]

Well then don't do it.

[B]

No one thinks that yet.

[C]

Listen, whatever, everyone thinks I'm crazy. I remember being on a soccer field, okay. And I remember kind of being like, oh, I just feel Like I was talking to someone, somebody. And I had like this vision of talking to a guy in a window. Like as if it was like, were you like a window? Like as if it was like a food truck and he was talking to me. And I remember it being. And I remember the remnants being like. Well, I feel like I just had a really intense conversation with a man in a window. And then. And I couldn't shake the feeling. And then I just think about. And like nothing ever came about of it. Obviously I don't actually think that I did, but I remember, remember being like, it's kind of weird that I have a really strong. It's such a specific hunch to have.

[A]

Did you ever like encounter that again? No.

[C]

And like again like I get how it sounds, but at the time I was really convinced I just talked to a man. Probably like 12.

[A]

I mean, kids are always weird. That's why kids are always in horror movies because it's like they have their thin veil.

[C]

What's that thin veil? Was that it's like the veil to the other side?

[A]

Well, yeah, but. But it's also like they are young and dumb enough and like whimsical enough that it's like, oh, that could just be your imagination. But it's also like you're, you're young enough to not even like know that that would be dangerous if it was actually happening. That's my friend. You know, it's like the perfect storm of like, is this real? Is this not?

[C]

Nobody's going to believe you cuz you're.

[A]

Like your little kid.

[C]

Well then I just made a tik tok about this. I mean this is gonna. And, and you know what, I might be like slightly crazy, whatever, but I just made a tik tok about this. Cuz this weekend I took chocolate, mushrooms, whatever, and I, I like haven't done it in like years. But I've never had a bad experience. But I'm just like not a druggie. I like never do drugs. I don't react well to drugs. Whatever. I take these mushrooms. It hits me weird. I instantly realize I've done too much. So I send myself home. I'm at a bar, I send myself home. I go home. In my hallway, they took out all the wallpaper. So it looks super creepy. Like it looks, looks like something shining or something. You know, the back rooms. Have you ever heard of the phenomenon of the back rooms? Yeah, it's like, okay, well so this is what my hallway.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's scary, right? And see there and the Phenomenon of the back rooms is there's a bunch of people who have all had dreams where they find themselves in these rooms that essentially looks like an abandoned office space. And they all describe the same thing, and it's like, like, basically there's nothing to these rooms. It's empty. And you. But you. When you're there, you essentially know that you're in some sort of limbo. And they find. And everyone describes these same back rooms, and they've all called them the back rooms. I think it's like a Reddit phenomenon. Whatever. So then I am. I'm going. I'm in my hallway and I'm on mushrooms. So I'm kind of like, it's already freaking me out. The lights are flickering and I'm trying to get into my apartment. And then I'm. And I'm. But I'm not able to turn away from. From these. This hallway. And I'm kind of staring down the barrel of the hallway, and I'm. I cannot bring my. Myself to, like, to get into my building. Whatever. And so then I'm staring, and then I. And I'm still staring, and I'm like, I just am all of a sudden overcome with this idea that. Or I just have this strong feeling that my body is somewhere trapped in the bag and I'm high.

[A]

You're trapped in your body?

[C]

My body is trapped in the back rooms in some timeline, and I'm not able to get out. And like, me staring at this hallway is just reminding me of that and, like, reminding me that somewhere my body is trapped in these bathrooms. I'm not able to get out. So then I look down my shirt, there's, like, droplets on it, and I realize I've been crying for the past minute. So then I start to freak out because I was like, oh, I'm. This is actually eliciting a real emotion out of me. I didn't even realize I was crying. That must mean I'm really trapped in the back room somewhere. And, like, I'm like, I'm not getting this idea from nowhere. So I'm having a full panic attack being like, holy. I'm actually trapped in the back room somewhere. And then I'm in. And I'm in my hallway. Anyway, so then I find family, go to my apartment. I'm, like, overwhelmed with gratitude that I'm like, oh, thank God I'm in this timeline where I'm not like, he. Trapped in the back rooms. But then I was like, it sucks that in some timeline, like some version of Jackie is. Anyways, I was really freaked out.

[A]

So you're thinking like, Jackie 2 is trapped while Jackie 1 is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good. And there might be Jackie 5 million who's.

[C]

Yeah. And like, I called Danny and then, like, I was, like, talking to him. And I was so grateful that I was like, I have this cute little boyfriend and this cute little apartment. I was so grateful. And I was like, that sucks for the Jackie in the bathroom.

[A]

She doesn't have this cute. That.

[C]

Yeah, but the fact that you were.

[A]

Crying enough that, like, it was dropping to your shirt, like.

[C]

I know. And I didn't realize it was like. And it was weird that I couldn't feel. I don't know. I've never experienced that. It was. I'm never doing mushrooms again. It really me up. But.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I forgot what I was talking about. Yeah. That talked to a man in a window.

[A]

What if we're in the back rooms? Like, diagrams?

[C]

I just. I think I'm just a little crazy.

[A]

No. Yeah, definitely crazy. It's all right. We all go crazy.