Michael Chiklis Won An Emmy After Being Told It Was Impossible - Full Episode

Summary

KFC Radio — “Michael Chiklis Won An Emmy After Being Told It Was Impossible”

Date: September 18, 2025
Host(s): KFC and Feitelberg (Barstool Sports)
Guest: Michael Chiklis (Emmy-winning Actor)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of KFC Radio, KFC and the Barstool crew host acclaimed actor Michael Chiklis. The group covers a mix of signature Barstool banter—dog/cat energy types, awkward live show stories, and Meditations on self-worth—before diving deep into Chiklis’s career, his new sports film, and his unexpected Emmy win. They talk Boston sports fandom, acting, Hollywood perceptions, and the teamwork needed for a successful TV show. Chiklis reflects on his unconventional route to stardom, the realities of being an actor, life lessons from team sports, and what it was really like to win a “can’t win” Emmy.

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Table of Contents

1. Opening Banter & Core Crew Topics
2. Boston Sports, Rivalries & Fandom (w/ Chiklis)
3. Inside Hollywood: Actors, Rivalry, and Teamwork
4. The Shield, Camaraderie, and Winning the Emmy
5. Making "The Senior" & Team Sports Lessons
6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
7. Episode Highlights by Timestamp

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1. Opening Banter & Core Crew Topics

• Dog/Cat/Crew Energy Types (03:14–07:41)

  • The team debates whether they're more "dog-like" or "cat-like" in group dynamics.
  • Jackie: “You guys could kidnap me any day. Like I have fun just hanging out with you guys, you know, and like seeing the whole thing.” (02:06)
  • Pav: “It's sick when you're everyone's dog all the time.” (03:51)

• Introvert vs. Extrovert, Self-Energy, and Boundaries (07:41–11:17)

  • Discussion of how different generations define and set boundaries for alone time.
  • Pav: “I think there are definitely some people who like hanging out with other people, but they feel like that is draining their energy.” (08:45)
  • Jackie: “I love hanging out with other people. It drains my energy.” (08:50)

• Matching People’s ‘Frequency’ & Self-Worth (11:32–18:02)

  • Jackie on social adaptation: “I think I try and like, almost like match their frequency...and the only way to have a conversation with somebody is if they’re like across me.”
  • Crew muses on the concept of self-worth and social adaptation.
  • Jackie: “I swear to God, I'm happy as long as you're happy.” (17:08)

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2. Boston Sports, Rivalries & Fandom (w/ Michael Chiklis)

[Begins 59:01]

• Growing Up in Boston Sports Drought, Then Title Town (59:01–60:03)

  • Chiklis shares how Red Sox and Patriots losses shaped his childhood—the pain and then the 2004 breakthrough.
  • “My kids have this totally skewed understanding of Boston. They think like, oh yeah, we're title town and we are—for the last 22 years we've been insane.” (59:35)

• Experiencing Patriots Super Bowls Up Close (61:36)

  • “I sort of had a backstage pass...I missed two of the Patriots Super Bowls, and there were two that we lost, by the way. One against the Giants.”

• On Boston/New York Rivalries (64:26–66:39)

  • Relates Boston’s chip on their shoulder to Yankees/Red Sox rivalry.
  • Adds perspective on learning to “tip the cap” to legends (Jeter, Rivera, Brady, Manning).
  • “If you can't tip your hat to a Mariano Rivera or a Derek Jeter, then you're not really a baseball fan. You're an asshole.” (65:23)

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3. Inside Hollywood: Actors, Rivalry, and Teamwork

• No Real Rivalries in Acting (68:32–69:49)
  • Chiklis: “Jealousy is a worthless emotion and it really doesn't get you anything.”
  • Squashes rumors of beef with “The Bear” actor Ebon Moss-Bachrach: “We took some pictures together...it was a love fest.” (69:16)
• Hollywood Perceptions & Realities (80:57–85:09)
  • Chiklis expresses frustration at public perceptions of “Hollywood elite” and describes the real, grueling work of making TV/film.
  • “Most of the time, it's 14 hours a day, and you're in soaked alleyways, trying to bring you shows like The Fucking Shield, you know what I mean? ... You've never seen people work harder than on a film set.” (82:22)
  • On empathy: “What we do is we get a chance to walk a mile in another man's shoes...it's why we have such deep feelings for people.” (84:27)

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4. "The Shield," Camaraderie, and Winning the Emmy

• On "The Shield": Chemistry, Teamwork, & Lasting Bonds

  • “We still talk three times a week, all of us.” (75:08)
  • “Making television and film is a team sport...If you don’t have that alchemy together, you’re screwed.” (75:20)

• Winning the Emmy “When It Was Impossible” (107:07–111:55)

  • The FX president called to say: “Just want to let you know— you can't win. There's no...just, I hope that you have your expectations—not low, zero, no. Because you can't win.” (107:31)
  • Chiklis describes being up against Martin Sheen, Kiefer Sutherland, James Gandolfini, and more. Thought he truly had no chance.
  • “I was so prepared not for it...I knew it wasn’t happening. And [Kim Cattrall] goes, ‘Michael...Chiklis,’ and it dawned on me...‘Oh, shit. This just happened.’” (111:39)

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5. Making “The Senior” & Team Sports Lessons

• New Movie: "The Senior" (True Story of Mike Flynt)
  • Chiklis plays Mike Flynt, oldest college football player ever, a story of redemption and breaking cycles of violence.
  • Insights into the physical demands: “I was sprinting, doing linebacker drills...I lived in the cold plunge. Let me tell you, I'm in better shape now, but...the first minute sucks.” (89:04, 95:19)
  • All the football sequences were authentic: “Those guys all played. My stunt guy who did like four shots where I got my clock cleaned, and thank God I let the kid do those shots because Willie cleaned him out!” (92:52)
• Sports & Acting: Parallels in Teamwork
  • “Making television and film is a team sport...that comes out in casts, too. When you're in a cast, you could see that we loved each other. You got that chemistry.” (75:20)

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6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you can't tip your hat to a Mariano Rivera or a Derek Jeter, then you're not really a baseball fan. You're an asshole.”
  — Michael Chiklis (65:23)

• “Making television and film is a team sport...If you don’t have that alchemy together, you’re screwed.”
  — Michael Chiklis (75:20)

• “...You have to have chemistry to win a championship.”
  — Michael Chiklis (64:43)

• “Just want to let you know—you can't win. There's no...just, I hope you have your expectations—not low, zero, no. Because you can't win.”
  — Michael Chiklis, on FX President’s call before the Emmy (107:31)

• “I honestly thought, well, no, yeah, that's my name. That's not the right name. They've misspoke.”
  — Michael Chiklis on hearing his Emmy win announced (111:37)

• “I was like, this is so great...Then Kim Cattrall goes, ‘Michael...Chiklis,’ and I went, oh, shit. This just happened.”
  — Chiklis (111:39)

• “...Walking in another man's shoes...I think it’s why we have such deep feelings for people, is because we see people's plights wherever they come from and what they go through...It’s our job.”
  — Michael Chiklis (85:09)

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7. Episode Highlights by Timestamp

• 01:14 – Jackie feels “out of it” after joining a live show unexpectedly; talk about being “the dog” of the group.
• 05:15 – The crew debates if their social energy is more dog- or cat-like.
• 08:04 – Crew discusses introversion/extroversion and recharging social batteries.
• 12:26 – Jackie elaborates on adapting to others and “matching their frequency.”
• 17:08 – Jackie acknowledges her self-worth struggles: “I swear to God, I'm happy as long as you're happy.”
• 24:21 – Jackie talks about her fledgling meditation practice.
• 59:01 – Chiklis enters: Growing up with Boston sports heartbreak and eventual glory.
• 61:36 – Chiklis’s “backstage pass” to Patriots Super Bowls.
• 65:00 – Chiklis on Yankees/Red Sox, tipping the hat to rivals.
• 68:32 – Actors, industry (lack of) rivalries, and Ebon Moss-Bachrach quashing drama.
• 75:08–78:25 – The lasting bond of "The Shield" cast and the role of real-life camaraderie.
• 89:04 – Prepping for and shooting the football scenes in "The Senior."
• 95:29 – Surviving intense physical training—“Saved by the cold plunge.”
• 107:07 – Chiklis breaks down the night he unexpectedly won an Emmy: “It’s an out of body experience...”
• 111:37 – On hearing his name: “I honestly thought...they’ve misspoke. It dawned on me...Oh, shit. This just happened.”

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Summary Conclusion

This episode offers classic Barstool comedy, heartfelt mental health talk, and an in-depth, refreshingly candid interview with Michael Chiklis. It’s a must-listen for fans of sports stories and true behind-the-scenes Hollywood. Chiklis’s humility and perspective—having won an “impossible” Emmy and lived through both heartbreak and glory—shine through. You’ll come away understanding why chemistry matters, why taking pride in your craft is timeless, and just how wild the ride of showbiz can be when you finally “win the unwinnable.”

Transcript

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

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[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

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[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

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[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

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[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

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[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I don't. My. I'll. I mean I always say this. I'm. I'm. How are you?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Sorry, what's that?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I was just going to say like I, I'm. I'm feeling out of it today.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You feeling out of it today?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, but like I don't.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Kidnapped yesterday?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, that was. But that was like I wouldn't have won any differently because I like being a part of it. Like what I would have had is actually just not going stage at all.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So for the record, for people saying, people listening, Jackie came with us to LA Mascots live show last night. No one really knows how it ended up happening. I think Pav just asked you if you wanted to come.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You were like, yeah, fuck yeah. And you came and then like you got to feeling like, why am I here?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I forgot. I mean like I. It was partially on me because I didn't ask a single question.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, that's a cool thing that you're like it. Yeah, I'm down to ride. That's very awesome to just do that. But then once you got there, I was like, did we kidnap Jackie? Why? Like, does she want to be here?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

You guys could kidnap me any day. Like I have fun just hanging out with you guys, you know, and like seeing the whole thing.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, I did feel bad afterwards when. Because I. I feel like sometimes I'm. We used to call my grandfather a food pusher. Where, like, if he was eating dinner, he was like, you gotta try a bite of this. And we'd be like, no, we're good.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And he'd be like, no, you gotta try it. I don't want to eat your food, gramps. Like, we're good.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And so he's always called him a food pusher. And I felt like I kind of stage pushed you last night.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

No, that was just like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I was like, no, go, go, go. And you're like, I don't want to.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I would have. I. I. First, I should have been going out. Second of all, it's like, I just haven't been on a stage in, like, a long time. And I realized that as I was standing on the stage, and then I was just like, I seriously have nothing to add right now. And so it was like. But, like, normally, you know, normally, like, I probably would have been down, but I just. I need, like, a moment to wrap my head around it. And I was just like, I have not wrapped my head around this. But no, I. I mean, I don't know if this is, like, a normal ctb, but, like, I'm. As long as everyone. Like, I'm never mad about being anywhere as long as, like, everyone's cool that I'm there.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oh.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Do you know what I mean?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I completely. I'm 100 with you. And as long as you don't expect something from me.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Or if you. If you said something for me and you told me beforehand, that's fine. But if we had brought you and we were like, all right, Jackie, go do 10. Yeah, that would have been fucked up.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Also, I wouldn't have come. Yeah, that would have been up if you did that. But, like, it was just kind of.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like having people want you in a place and you're like. You'd be like, yeah, no, I'm just the dog. Like, you guys do your thing. I'm just gonna chill right here. Yeah, I. I don't mean that for you. I mean, like, when people want that. When people just want you around, it's a good feeling.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

That's, like, great.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

It's sick when you're everyone's dog all the time.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I didn't mean it in, like, dog. Like, I meant, like, when I love when I feel like that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

When I'm, like, sitting on a couch and like, oh, my God, no one even cares.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

That's D. A double G, dog.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, I mean dog.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, okay.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I like feeling like a dog. Okay. Like, it's like you got like, I'm a dog who doesn't like to be touched. But like, Gidge is like, I'll hang out and you guys do your thing. I'm cool sitting here. Like, that's fine.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

You're more like a cat.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, I guess it's more like a cat. Yeah, but I'm dog. Like, you're kind of cat. Like, I'm oddly cat.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Like you're kind of a cat.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, I'm like, if a cat could talk, which no one's ever wanted. No one's ever looked at a cat.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Do you remember that? Do you remember that?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

We'll have to hear that thing's thoughts.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Do you remember the reviews on that movie Cats or whatever that was called? Yeah, that was like the worst Tribune movie all the time.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Only play I've ever walked out of my life.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Really?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Why?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Probably cuz you saw yourself in it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It was awful. I, I, I was a kid. I was very, very young. But like, my parents were like, you want to get the out of here? And I was like, yeah, let's get.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

The out of here.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

This.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

But you have a dog. Like. Yeah, I guess you're kind of right for some reason. It's like you are like golden retriever presenting, but you're not, actually.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. Which is weird.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Because I definitely always think of myself as a dog, as like a golden retriever because I'm, I'm pretty, like playful and I like to have fun and all that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But yeah, I think I'm more cat.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

You're like one of those cats that when you go over to that person's house, they're like, he's like a dog, but it's a cat.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, yeah. No, he's not. Yeah, get that thing away.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Like, he's just like a dog, dude. Like hell.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Hell, yeah. Yeah. Like I would say, I would say Duke's epitome of golden retriever dog.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Dog. Pavs is like black cat presenting golden retriever interior.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yep.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Ish.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

He's, he's, he's very, he's probably just not.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

He's like iguana.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, I, I think Paz is very golden retriever. Ish.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Inside, outside, he looks Italian. So you're like, stay away from me. We're the cats. But yeah. What are you?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I don't think I can answer that for myself.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

You are. Oh, what would you be?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I think you're, you're, I kind of think again. I don't really know you, but okay.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I honestly kind of upset you just said that. I feel like, you know me better than when you said the same thing like three months ago.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Well, I know you. I know you much better than I knew you three months ago ago. But, like, I still don't really know you.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Okay.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right. I don't know you either.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

How much, how much of yourself have you told me?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I feel like I overshare all the time.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't think so. I don't, I don't. I don't mean that in a bad way.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I just came in here and I just told you, like, everything that's happened to me in the last, like, two days.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, it was mostly work.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

That's all that's happened in the last two days.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. Hey, you came in here, we talked about work for a while. I wasn't like, wow, she opened up there. I don't know what.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I think I know you pretty well at this point. Point.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

If you said you didn't know me, I'd actually.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, no, we actually spent all of the time together. All of the time. Except for the last two weeks.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. That's like, Jackie knows you better. I know you.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. We didn't sleep in a room together for weeks.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I don't know.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

What am I? You're.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I'm say you're. I think you're. Again, my opinion. I think you're kind of like me. I would say you're kind of dog presenting cat interior.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But Jackie has a better opinion, so. Yeah, I kind of.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

That kind of like works.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I feel, I almost feel like you, you're hard to. But now. Oh, in a good way. Like you. Oh, you have both tendencies.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. I can never figure out if I'm an extrovert or an introvert.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I am definitely like, because I'm one.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Of the people that people assume I'm an extrovert, but. Oh, I heard who was talking about the other day, like, the most interesting definition on extrovert. Introvert. Like, what do you guys think you are yourselves?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I, I don't think I'm either. I think I'm somewhere in between. I, I think most people are.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Most are somewhere between.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I, I, but I would say largely extroverted. I like doing, but then I like not doing.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Like, I'm so unique like that the definition I. Someone was. I can't remember where I heard it was saying that like, whichever one you get energy from, like if you're by yourself for a long time, you and then you feel like you need to be with other people to like get up your energy, then you're an extrovert. But if you're with other, if, even if you like being with people, but you need alone time to like get your energy. Like whichever one depletes your energy versus gives you energy. That's what you are. Kind of. If that makes sense. Yeah, that's what I heard. So that, that kind of made sense to me.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That, that makes a lot of sense. But in the same vein, I would say on both.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like I spend five days a week doing a lot of shit and like I spend one day a weekend not leaving my apartment.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And both feel really good.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

But I think there are definitely some people who like, like hanging out with other people, but they feel like that is draining their energy.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

No, I'm 1,000%. Like, I, I love hanging out with other people. It drains my energy. I need like, if I don't have one day a week where I like, like during beach house, I need to like go on walks on my by myself. Like I wouldn't be able to interact with people.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. So I guess what, what powers me is the alone.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But I like doing the other when.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

When I lived in my senior house with like all my best friends, I loved it so much. But I need my alone time and I would like every single day try and figure out how to get alone time. And I'd be like, I'm going to go on a walk and everyone go, oh, we'll come with you. No, no, I actually need to call my mom. It's like, okay, I'll just trail kind of behind while you call her. I would go crazy and then I would just have like a meltdown every like month being like, please just let me be alone. Oh my God, I can't.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I, I, as you get older though, like I'm, I'm like much better at that, at being like, I gotta be alone. And, and people get like when I was younger, I, I like, I didn't think I could even request that. Like, I didn't think I, I thought I owed it to people to be like, whatever you want to do, let's do it the whole time. And yeah. Then you'll be like, I got, I'll be back in like two hours. I gotta just get the, away from you.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Sometimes I think I should be more like what you said you were like when you were our age. Maybe. But I, I will request all the alone time.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Really?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I need to be alone.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Bye.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. All the time. No, like in my 20s for sure. I was like, whatever you guys want to do. Let's do it until we die. But then like, again, you get older and you're like, I need a weekend. I need whatever.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. When did you hit the age where you're comfortable asking for needs?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's probably 30s, I don't, I don't know exactly when, but like early ish. 30s, 32, 33, something like that. We were finally like, I'm not doing what you want to do today.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

It feels like it's like different for people our age because there's so much like, take care of yourself, you know, Focus, protect your energy, protect your peace.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Which is like, right. Like drilled into our brains. It's like, okay, I can say that I need a loan time because I'm protecting.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That's interesting because that sounds stupid, but yeah, I wouldn't say like it was an opposite opinion or like, I don't think we ever had an overarching opinion, but like, it definitely, like, that was not a thing. Yeah, well, it wasn't like, protect your piece.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, like I need to protect my piece tonight.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But it's funny you say, because I've seen people like my age say like, I love college kids these days. They're like, they're taking retinol and taking blah, blah, blah. And isn't you tell you're putting it on your face.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

They're taking retinol. Whatever you want. They're taking retinol.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And I was like, the idea of putting on a skin cream in college is insane to me. Like bananas.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I, I wait, what was, what were you just saying before.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

People, when he was our age, he would just be like, I want to, I'll do whatever people want.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, I, I, I had a point, but I forgot what I was gonna say. Okay, but also, this is my theory why I feel like I am so introverted. I get so drained by people. It's cuz I think I try and like, almost like match their frequency. And I picture it like, like, you know, like if you're on a train and then, you know, you can see the other train and then you can see the window. And like once you catch up, once your trains are going at the same speed, then you look like you're still with the other person. And so I always picture myself when I'm in a conversation, I'm like on the train trying to catch up to their train and then I'm trying, like, and the only way to have a conversation with somebody is if they're like across me. And I don't know if that makes Any sense at all.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But every single time I, I, I'm 100. I know the train thing is lose me a little bit, but I guess.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

It'S just matching frequencies.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, whatever you're on, I'm gonna be on.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And that's tiring.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

And I think we should normalize, like, being different around different people. Like, everyone's like, I feel like people are like, oh, you should have be your own person and, like, not change who you are for others. I change who I am.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

You don't know me. You know yourself reflected through.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, I'm not a person at all.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I'm just, yeah, I'm just a shape of things I've seen in my life that I thought were cool. And whatever I think you might think.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That's all I'm trying to do.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

And then, and I'm gauging your reaction on stuff, like whatever you, whatever energy you present a topic with, I'm matching that energy. I don't actually give, like, to be fair.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, but I, so I, I used to say that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Where. And I would be like, whatever you're like, I don't remember always thinking, like, oh, like, if you put me anywhere, like, I'll have fun. If you're having fun, I'll have fun.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And I, I forget why I was saying it.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Because. What. Okay, well, I feel like I've seen from you, like, a very distinct change. You, you're very opinionated now.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

You don't.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I'm what?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

You're very, very opinionated now. Like, you, and you stand by your opinions.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Like, you won't change how you're acting because of the person? Is that what you're trying to say?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, I'm saying the exact opposite.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh. Oh, you do.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't really know what I do.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, no, I was gonna say, to be fair, though, when, like, you're saying, like, yeah, we should just normalize being ourselves and not trying to match people's frequency. But sometimes when you do that, like, not you, but, like, when a person does that, it's, like, annoying. Like, John's in here sitting on his phone, waiting for the podcast to start before we. I come in here, I'm like, I'm on so much Adderall. I did this and this and this and this, and I was, like, not matching his frequency at all. And, like, that could come off as annoying. You know what I mean?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, I, I, yes, it could, but, like, you do that stuff, and I, I, I like that you do that. I Think that's cool that, like, as an intern, you go to not just me, but to other people and you're like, can I sit with you and ask you questions?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Jesus.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

What?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

No, that's good. I think it's like, no, but it.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Doesn'T, like, sound good.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It sounds great. It's like, the best thing you could possibly be.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Like, that you're an intern, but you just go sit with anyone. You don't give a.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yes, genuinely. That's what I'm saying. I like, all right, I'll take it.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

You should be doing.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, that's what. I'm scared to do it, but I get. I like that you're not scared to do it.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I should be a little more scared, probably.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Wait, but you think I'm more opinionated now?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, in a. In a good way. Like, I think that you probably before were more like, go with the flow, but now you, you.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I think I'm pretty go with the flow still.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

You are still very go with the flow, like, and I think it's a good thing. I say that as a compliment. Like, I think that you have a good mix of go with the flow, but also it's like, if you believe something, then you're not gonna, like, just be like, yeah, you're right.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

If I'm 100 positive in what I think, I only think, like, four things.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Those four things I. I'm opinionated on. So. Yeah, I guess you're right on that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

It's an I. I notice it because it's something in myself. Like, I. I wish I had more of that. I think that I am very wishy washy with my opinions and I wish I could kind of like, you know, just.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Just cut them down. Just have four.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Get four. Like, should we develop?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Honestly, I, like, genuinely, I hadn't thought about this. I'm thinking about it right now. I think I stopped having a million opinions and now I just have, like, four. So, like, I. We always had, like, all we do is talk. To talk. You have to have an opinion. And it would be more like, yeah, whatever. I don't know, because we were talking about things or I guess we tend to talk about things just people like, that you don't really care about.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And so I don't really care about. I don't really care about it, but I. I guess. And I'm making up the four.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I don't.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't have an exact number, but yeah, somewhere around there. It's not a lot. I Don't have a lot of opinions.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Anyways.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Anyways, you are a dog. You're the. You're a dog through and through.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I agree.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, okay. In. In a good way.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yes.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I think a lot of people want to be a dog. I think you're a true dog.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, okay. Thanks. Yeah, I. I had fun yesterday, though. It was like, again, I didn't really need. As long as you guys are like that.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That's the most dog thing ever. Like, I got kidnapped for an hour and a half, driven to Philadelphia, trapped in a room. Yeah. Had a blast.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Is that. Is that a. I actually, like, I hate bringing up, like, therapist stuff, but that is what my therapist always says. I have low selfworth, and that's why I'm there.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You have exceptionally low self worth. We've been working on it for a while.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

It's such, like, a mean statement, though. Like, oh, self worth. But, yeah, I guess, like, it's. But it's kind of a blessing for everyone else. Like, I swear to God, I'm happy as long as you're happy.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yes. I mean, I was.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Does anyone not feel like that? Like, maybe you feel that more than other people, but is anyone there? Like, I don't give a. If you want me here, I'm here. That's like, crazy to think to me. Like, I just. I'm the same way. I just hope people want me there.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, I think. I think that's pretty. I don't think we're being too unique. I think it's pretty largely people are happy to be wherever people want them to be.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Okay, cool.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Wait, I. What'd you say right before that?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Self worth. Low. I don't have any.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yesterday was fun.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I'm a piece of.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I'm a dog. Jackie just has to do the rest of the podcast. Barking. How much. How much of this podcast do you think we could do? Barking at each other and. Okay, so, like, forming words while barking. Like. Like having a conversation, but just in between barking. But we can only have it barking.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Okay, but do you want me, like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, no, no. It's only woofs. Only. Only.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Only guttural sounds.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Oh.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

And we have to figure out, like, if we can figure out what each other said.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

That was a woof.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Well, she went woof, but then she.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Was trying to talk, so it kind.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Of just came out like, she's trying to talk. Like, we got. We're not. We're dogs. Yeah. We are full on dogs. We have not been blessed with superpowers. We are just dogs.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

So we're trying to communicate in just.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

So I can get kind of like, the, you know, note of my dog. Am I a small dog?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Am I a different dog?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, you choose your dog.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I think you're a medium to small dog. Like, you're definitely not. You're not like, a Chihuahua.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

And also, reminder, you have loves of work.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I meant in a dog personality.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Okay. All right, ready?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, wait. So should we try and, like. Like, are we just barking back at each other? Are we trying to see if we could, like, understand each other?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask a question.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, you're gonna ask, like, a specific.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Question, and then we're gonna have a conversation.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Okay, I'm down.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You're not gonna participate in this conversation. Only because. Well, it's just the question I had. You just told me you didn't watch.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

You're.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

You're spoiled. All right, whatever.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Okay, well, now I'm gonna ask a different question, because I want you to.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

No, I don't want to, but it has. Unplug my mic. You guys go.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's got to be something basic like that.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

You guys just know.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Do your.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Do your question.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Okay. What do you think of the weather today?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Wait, I thought you're gonna bark it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Well, we have to know the words. So what do you think of the weather today? And now we start. Oh, what?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I thought you were gonna ask.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Okay. Okay, so now. Now we have our topic.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

And now we start talking. Okay. What do I think of the day?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Why are you doing dog noises? Why are you doing kidnap noises? Do you know what a dog is?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

You're doing, like, Stephen Hawking.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Okay, wait, I'm going more human. I got a channel. More dog. Okay, let's go.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But you think.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

What's happening?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Why are you doing that?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I can't figure out how to convey dog.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

No, you either bark or you speak.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I got pick one or the other. Okay, I'm going to ask you a question, then you. You answer how. Let's, I guess, see how it should be done.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Okay.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

What do you think? Do you think I should wear a hat more often?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Whoa.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

No.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Do you. Do you think it's because I have a small forehead and you. Oh, that sounded like I should. I do have a small, like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, it's a three head.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Okay. Another question. Do you. Do you think that. Have you noticed my giant pit stains today?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Rough.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It is. It's harder than I thought it was gonna be.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's harder than I thought it was gonna be. It's pretty Pretty based on head movement. Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

But here's the good thing is, like, now. But at this point, I think everyone's tuned out.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So we could do whatever we want for this.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Does anyone need to get slurs on right now?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Let's talk about Charlie.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No kidding. So she was gonna say have no Charlie Sheen.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Do you know that there's a Charlie Sheen documentary?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, Kevin's been texting me about a little bit. He's h. I don't know if I love those two sentences back to back where Kevin's been texting me about it. He says he's Charlie Sheen's gay a lot. Kevin's almost giving me advice where he's like. He's like. He's like, yeah, you see Charlie Sheen, he said he just flipped the menu over something to think about.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Charlie, she.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

There was. There was one point. I think Kevin texted me. He said he was on crack cocaine and steroid creams all at the same time.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, wait. Are steroid creams, like, actually considered drugs?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I believe so. I think. I think Barry Bonds did a cream. It's hard with. With baseball players. They all, like, lied about different things they took.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But people definitely. I've heard of, like, topical steroid creams.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I think particularly when Charlie Sheen was on crack is when I heard about them a lot. So it was probably.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Wait. So sorry, Sorry. Creams, though, are not what makes you like. That's just like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I mean, what.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

It's literally just cream.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, no, no. So most people, I think, are doing, like, a needle.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But a cream exists. That definitely doesn't work as well.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Got it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But people use it.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Okay. Got it. Okay. Crazy.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Have you watched anything good?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, have you seen Amy Bradley's missing.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, I haven't heard of that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Okay. It's like a documentary and have you heard of it?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I've heard of it. I meant to watch it, but I haven't.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I've only watched, like, three out of the four episodes. But I'm pretty sure she. People are saying, like, that they think that she killed herself. I'm pretty sure she's just sex trafficked.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Okay.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Or whatever.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Totally agree.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Are you. Are you, as a male, warned a lot about, like, upside down honey and, like, getting in your car in a grocery store a lot.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

What is upside down honey?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Literally never.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

That's like, okay. Oh, maybe.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But, like, I think is the upside down honey on your car? Yeah, yeah. I've heard of this kind of stuff. Like notes on your car. Yeah, I. I know of it. Through, like, dating women. Not. I wasn't taught it as a child. It was more like I've been like, why the are you doing that?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So I don't get raped.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

What?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, that's pretty much all I've been watching. And then I. You know what's been taking up a lot of my time?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

What?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I've been trying to meditate.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Really?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

And now I can meditate for, like, an hour.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So what's the process like for that?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I sit down and it's mostly like I kind of. I think I just fall asleep. I think they just might be naps, but, like, I sit down and then it's also just like, I just think. I sit and think without a phone for a little bit. So I don't know if it's meditation or if it's just me thinking. But now it's kind of like I come home from work, I work out, I make dinner. Okay. Now I have time to watch tv, but now I just kind of meditate.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You kind of zone out, and I.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Kind of just kind of zone out, and I don't know if it's done anything beneficial for me yet, but, like, it's definitely taken away from my TV time, and I can't tell if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Have you been doing, like, guided ones or you just sit?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

No, I kind of just sit.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Guided ones.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I will.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Buddhism class.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I, like, might have reached your nirvana.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, really? I can see that from you.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Right?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. I will say, like, sometimes, if you're going to ask yourself for answers, you know, holy shit.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

But then, like, sometimes. Sometimes I ask myself. I'm like, I don't know.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Bitch. Ask somebody else. Yeah. No, that's cool, huh?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Have you ever.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Have I ever meditated? I've never met. I think I meditate all the time.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, you are a natural state of meditation.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, I. I'm pretty. I'm pretty meditated, I think. But, like, no, I've never. I'd like to, but I. I think of myself. Like, there's an episode of Parks and Rec where you guys. Have you guys watched it?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, I've seen all of it. No, I wish.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Do you know the characters, though?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, Rob Lowe's character takes Ron Swanson. He's about to get a promotion, but he's like, before I give you promotion, I want, you got to come to meditation with me. And they go to meditation, and they walk out and he goes, ron, you got the job. I just wanted to See that you were open to trying new ideas before I gave you this promotion. Now that I've seen you're willing, can I ask you how. How'd it go? Was in meditation, and Ron never even sat down. He just stood there the whole time, and he was like, I didn't even do it. And Rob Low goes, well, what. What did you think about? And he goes, I didn't think about anything. He goes, that's nerv. Like, I wish I could do that. And, like. Yeah, no, I just wasn't thinking about anything.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I get. So is meditation like, you're not supposed to think about anything?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't. I. I think I. I. Look, I'm not the guy to ask, but I think meditation is just like peace of mind.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

However you happen to get there is how you get there.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But mine is not think, not talking.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

And I think it's supposed to be where you're not thinking about any of the things you're worried about, but you're not, like, pushing them away either. Like, you're. You're just fine with them being there, but you're not, like, ruminating on them.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oh, then I'm meditating 24 7.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

No, I know you were. Yeah. You don't. Yeah, I don't. You're always meditating.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But. But it. I'm not blocking things out. It's just, like, I see it in the corner.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

You recognize everything, but put weight into nothing, I think. Is that right?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

The biggest form of, like, not the biggest, I guess, mantra that has helped me. Not mantra, but, like, to actually not care as much about things is. Is just being, like, I never said blank. So, like, if I have an awkward conversation with somebody, I just go, I never said I wasn't gonna be awkward. I literally never said that. Like, even, like, let's say, like, last night. I never said I was gon it on stage.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, I never said I was going.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

To be helpful at all. I never said. And I never said I was going to be perfect. And then sometimes I was like, yeah, I never agreed. You know, I never said I was going to do any of these things. And I'm just like, all right, then we keep going as long as we're all cool with that contract.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I like to. Mine is like, why would I have been good at this?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, I like doing new shit. I feel like people, like, don't like to do new shit because they don't like to look bad.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I like doing. Why the fuck would I have been good at this? I've never done anything like this before. I have to. Hopefully I keep trying, I keep getting better. But, like, I always had that. I, for a long time had that thought of, like, if I'm doing something, I have to be good at it. I have to be good at it. And now I just like being bad at stuff. First sponsor of the day is ROE Co. RO co. Insurance is like a secret language. Okay? I grew up in an insurance household. I grew up in an insurance family. I still do not have a clue how any of it works. There's codes and co pays and. I don't know, it all makes reaching your goals a lot harder than it should be. But luckily, Ro's insurance checker lets you know if you're covered for GLP1s for free. Okay. The insurance checker, you can just see if you're covered. All you do is you submit your insurance card and RO will take it. That's it. RO will take care of the rest. All you. You have one step. Submit your insurance card. There's no paperwork, no hassle, no waiting on hold. Ro's free Insurance checker will send you a comprehensive report of your coverage details so you can make a decision that's right for your goals. I've dealt with this a lot, actually, to be honest, in living in New York, using, like, trying to find doctors and stuff like that, Finding out what's on the barstool plan. This seems incredibly helpful if you decide to move forward. Rogue can help you understand if GLP1s like ozempic and wegovy are right for you and your goals. But that is just the beginning. It's. It's multifaceted, covers everything. Go to ro co kfcr for your free insurance check. That's r o dot co slash kfcr to see if your insurance covers glp1s for free. Go to ro safety for boxed warning and full safety information about glp1 medications.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

We. I also. This reminds me, and I. And I don't want to, like, gas you up. I don't want this to sound fake, but your standup was really good last night.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oh, thank you.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Tommy also wants me to. He said, feel free to share this opinion on KFC radio. So I obviously. Well, I was very impressed by Tommy, too. That was. That was.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I'm not gonna.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

What?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I'm a little disappointed in you, but.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

For just coming on and saying that, like, he can come in here.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Because I was like, tommy, that was, like, really good. I'm I'm, like, actually really impressed. And then he said, oh, yeah, okay. Feel free to treat that right now. I said, I'm not gonna tweet that. And then he said, all right, well, do you want to, like, say it on KFC radio? I said, all right, deal.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

This was the conclusion we came to. But, yeah, he. He, like, I guess that was his best. One of the other ones, but, like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

They were all really good.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Yeah. He seemed very comfortable and. And, like, it was well written and, like, flowed really well. Which kind of brings me to you. You. Did you write that all at one time? Really? It's, like, separate, like, whatever. I think it, like, flows really, really well.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Really?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Thank you.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Like, it seems like it's, like, all written for each other to lead into each other. Yeah, it's a sign of a really good, like. But I guess it obviously isn't because I've heard these segments on.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, you've heard.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to, like, the. Wait, what was the one that I. That I thought. I guess I won't, like, give it away, but there's.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You can give it away. Okay.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

There was one that you had told completely differently. I forget which.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That's what's really fun. It's like telling things like, be like, I'm just gonna do it different this time. See what happens there.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Like, even. Even it was a small thing, like the. For your dog dying one. You said, like, the. The Holocaust.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Line. You said it differently how you said it, and I was like, oh. And like, I thought it was even funnier than.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Really, I thought that one was. I thought that segment was bad last night.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Really.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I. I think when I. Whenever I bring up. I. I sometimes I tell a story about my dog dying, and I just feel like the. The people care about dogs too much still. Like, you're telling a story and, like, everyone's, like, pulling back and feeling like I'm like, it's my dog. Relax. Like, you guys never even met this dog.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Dogs die every day. Stop being so sad about this one specific dog. I'm laughing while I tell the dog story.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Now. I know you're definitely a cat.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. I mean, it's a sad story, but, like, it's. It's a funny story, too.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, that's true. It might. It might, like, maybe it just makes people think of their dog sighing and it, like, hits it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's gonna happen, guys.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. My dog has died and. Oh, my God, I want my other dog died anyways.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But that Was very nice you to say. Thank you very much. We do have one more show next week in Chicago. If you're around, you'd like to come. No one's listening. We did a whole segment where we barked at each other, but we probably.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Lost them during the barking.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But if you still are on. Let me switch to your native tongue. It is Joe's on weed on Wednesday night. I think it's pretty close to sold out, if it's not already sold out. However, they have been booking us at massive venues that are way too big. So give it a double check to see if it's sold out or not. And if it's not, please come. Very funny. It's going to be me, Tommy Sass, doing stand up. Going to show some episodes. I'm sure going to special guests from Chicago on stage. Nick, obviously, will be there doing stand up. I think KB might come out. Don't tell him I said that. We'll probably drag Jackie out. But it's been. The shows have been really, really fun. I've, like, really enjoyed doing them for probably the first time. Not the first time. Well, I just. I know what, I know what we're doing better.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, Casey Radio was like, yeah, we go out there, we do a live podcast, which is hard. And Kevin said that. And like, comedians have said that, that, like, doing a podcast is harder than doing their comedy.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And now that I have, like, a bit of a routine, I'm like, they're 100% right. Like, I just go out there for 15 minutes and say the same thing I said last night. That's easy as shit.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

How much of your set is going to say the same for Bert? Are you trying to write, like, all new stuff? Are you going to keep most of it?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't really know. I guess it depends how long he gives me because I. I probably have like 20 to 30 minutes of stuff. I'm not going to do a half hour. I'm sure. I'm sure it's going to be either 10 or 15. So I'll probably have mostly. I guess it might be half and a half.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Are you going to keep doing shows after the tour?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, I think we're going to try.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Okay, cool.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I want to come. Can you do one in New York?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, no, I think, I think, like, I'm gonna do very, like, small shows in New York. Like, not even like, like at like the stand or anything like that. Like, kind of just pop up places. We're trying to figure it out right now. I don't I don't know exactly what's.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Gonna happen, but looking forward to that.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That's something we're working on.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Can I say one more thing about dogs?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Sure. Please. Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I talked about like the telepathy tapes thing that I listen to, and it brought up like that animals might be telepathic. Wouldn't that kind of make sense? Because I'm a little confused how else animals communicate with each other. I get that. It's kind of like their communication is. Think about like birds knowing, like when they all take a sharp turn at the same time. How do they like all tell each other that and get on the same board?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. But you could think the same thing about watching group of cross country kids run.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

But they've.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You'd be like, how'd they all know to turn there?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I mean, I don't know.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, there's a path. But like you, you see any group of people who move in unison and you go, how do they know how to do that?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

But we have a language.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So do birds.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

But if, if we're in the open air or if we're like in an open field and then all. And like, I want to take a sharp. Which is what birds are doing. They're like in the open air and all of a sudden they just go hard. Right. If I was like in an open field with my cross country. With my cross country people and then I want to turn right, I would have to say, hey guys, we're gonna turn right right now.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, you might. Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

But the birds don't. I guess I.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

We.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Get what you're saying. The birds aren't like, all right right now, but I feel like they probably can sense like the wind patterns that we can't. You know what I mean? When they're up there, it's really great. All right, now we're going this way. And also it's like instinct.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Animals, like, they just know what to do with, like how do they know to make nests?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

These are all really.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. See, this is actually you saw, like this is. This is not something I would have an opinion on because I don't know the answer.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So I go, I don't know. I'm down to figure it out with you guys. I don't fudgeing know the answer.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I need to say that more because sometimes, like, even if I don't care care or have a strong opinion, I'll just say one and then I pigeon my pigeonhole myself.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. Then you're like, I gotta defend my belief.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't even know if I believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

You can change my, those guys that are like, change my mind, blah, blah. It's like, you can.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Nobody 100 can change my mind except.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

For about four things. Yeah, you can. I don't know the answer to anything.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

What's your number one thing that you're like, I'll stand on this.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I, I, I, I don't know. I guess you'd have to.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I guess you don't. That's not one of your four.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You'd have to present me a question and go, do you believe what I don't know. Most of the things I'll go, I don't have an opinion.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, I, I want, like, the dad trait, where if you, like, if I ask my dad anything, he won't know the answer sometimes, but he will come up with an answer. Like, I, I feel like dad's just kind of. I'll be like, hey, how does this work? And then he'll be like, he'll just come up with an answer because he has to know the answer to everything. Do you know what I mean?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I, I do. I wholeheartedly know what you mean. I also think that part of that is, like, it's my dad. So my dad's got the answers. So that's part of your brain's going. He knows it. Yeah, he figured it out. Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

And it is sometimes, like, when I got a little older, I was like, you just pulled that out at all. That's so true.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I also, my dad used to do that. Like, we'd be watching, like, football games. He'd be like, watch number 47 on the kickoff here. He's a great player. He's going to make the tackle. And I remember being a kid and being like, he knows everything.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And then now I watch the games with him, and I'm like, that dude didn't even make the tackle. You know, he doesn't know anything. You know, like, I'm watching games, particularly with my dad, and just listening to him opine.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And then, like, again, like, when I did it when I was a kid, I'd be like, he's the smartest guy in the world. And now I watch games. I'm like, he doesn't know what the is he watching. That's not even.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, I did the same thing, like my dad, with my soccer games. Like, he'd be like, oh, you should, like, you should pass it to that. Like, I guess he wouldn't say that, but he would make comments on my, on soccer games. And then as I got older, I was just like, that's not at all what happens during the game. But I would just kind of let him have it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. You know, you're probably like. Then you start sitting in the car, you start thinking like, I don't even think my dad watches soccer.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I've been listening to his advice for 15 years. I don't think the guy's watched a soccer game that I didn't play.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

It's like when you're a kid and you hear like for the first time an adult. You like overhear an adult have an opinion that's different from your parents and you're like, oh, like it's like such a big deal. You're like, you either think the other adult is like Satan because they have like a slightly different opinion than your parents or like crumbles your whole like, belief system.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

This is what the world is like. People have different opinions in my past.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

I'm like, no. But my dad said.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I also think a good dad treat theory that a lot of dads can like doodle. Well, they're good at doodling.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I think we just have the same dad.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Okay.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

My dad's like the best drawer in the world.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Really. But like, it's like this specific like dude, like niche of I need like doodling is the right word.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

He so my dad doesn't doodle. My mom doodles. My dad does art. Like my dad like likes to paint and draw and stuff like that.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Same.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

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[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

All right. Who's Robert Redford?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Who's Robert Redford?

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Dude, I've been waiting for someone else to ask that question the last two days.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Thank God he's Brad Pit. Before Brad Pitt was Brad Pitt. He's just a piece of ass and a great actor.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

You're turning the menu over as we speak.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking that last night I was watching all the President's Men and like.

[Pav (Podcast crew member)]

Like, why? My heart.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, I actually forget. I think he plays Woodward, and I was like, he's just in khakis in a button now, but damn, does he look good right now. It was just seven, but he. Brad Pitt is. I'm sorry, Robert Redford. Is this guy really attractive?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Spy Game would be a good movie to watch if you like him. If you want to, because Brad Pitt is in that one, so it's an easy one to watch.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Cassidy.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Butch Cassidy is his big one. I want all the presents. Men's my favorite one. But he's. He's just the man. He's a very cool guy. He started Sundance.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, festival.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, he started Sundance Film Festival, which I didn't realize until he died, obviously has left a very big legacy for him. Ken Jack was talking about it the other day that, like, all the, like, what. What Sundance meant to modern film, like Tarantino, the Coen brothers, Ryan Coogler, Wes Anderson. I forget there are two more, I think all got their start at Sundance.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, really?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

All got, like, their break at Sundance. And I was like, yeah, I guess that was pretty important for modern movies with Sundance.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Started as, like, an indie film festival.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't know much about Sundance outside of, like, Entourage. And I know it's where people go to big premieres, and I know it's a big place, big film festival, but I don't know. I don't really know, like, what the barrier of entry is or anything like that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

You know, my great, great uncle started the SATs.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

What?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, it was something. And I might have that kind of wrong, but I remember, like, the whole time just being like. Like, when I was doing the SATs, I was just like, hell, why the did you do that?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I can't even.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Your own great great granddaughter can't even.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Get this right, dude. Your great great grandpa or. Or it was uncle or grandfather.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I have a great Great uncle. Wait, I'm gonna text my mom, because I'm just gonna. Wait, can you remind me, mind me, who started? Because he went to Princeton. It was a Princeton review. I applied to Princeton, thinking maybe I'll.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Get little legacy nickels.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Mindy, who started the SATs, and he was best friends with Albert Einstein. Yeah, yeah. And they were just, like, boys together.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So your uncle Jackie Nichols uncle was boys with Einstein and invented the sat.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Uncle? My, like, great, great uncle.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Well, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously I meant miss the Greats, but yes. That's pretty insane.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, I probably should, like, kind of whatever advertise that one, you know?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Dude, you would do a whole segments. Like, I'm pretty sure I'm Ben Franklin's ancestor, and you were the guy who started the SAT's. Ancestor.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I thought I was Ben Franklin, period.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Not ancestor.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I associate.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Now that you say that, this actually helps the argument. Yeah, you know, he's got quite the.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Bloodline, but I guess it actually doesn't make sense because. No, I. I can't figure out timing, but Albert Einstein's one of those people like Picasso, where it's actually kind of like, oh, he was around, like, five years ago.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, he's in the 40s.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, I think. I think he's around the 40s, right?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. See, I should.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

He was definitely a German. When I think of Germany, I just think of the 40s.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

No, I have, like. I mean, I feel like everyone has, like, a. Interesting family history, but there's, like, kind of dead wrong.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Well, no, no, no, not dead wrong.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Died in 1955. Princeton, New Jersey.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, 1955. Yeah, exactly. Which is. But, I mean, I guess that's still kind of whatever. Anyways. Yeah, speaking of, that just reminded me because it started Sundance and then started that. But what were we talking about before?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oh, we're just talking about notes. So I was watching all the President's Men, and one thing that sticks out in the movie is, like, how many books are around just because they don't have computers.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So it's like shitload of books everywhere. And all these notepads that they're taking all these, you know, obviously incredibly important notes on, and the doodles that he would have around them reminded me of, like, my mom's notepad by the house phone when I was a kid. Like, goofy little faces and, like, these word, little words. Oh, yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Was it like. Yeah, well, I. I remember, like, my dad, like, doodling all the time or whatever. And then that was during beach house. Danny one time took, like, a whiteboard, and he started doodling, and it looked exactly like my dad's doodles. And I was like, oh, my God, I thought it was so cute. And then I was, like, swooning.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It is, it is weird how we all just go for our parents.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I know.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And then when you say it. Yeah. Every time you say it, you're like.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Like, oh, that reminds me of my dad. Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That work on me.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

It is so weird. Didn't we have a whole. Didn't we talk last time? It was like, just you in pavs about.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

What'S the effect Oedipus? Oedipal?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

No. Where, like, you are attracted to your, like, family. Family? No.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oedipus.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

No, not, like, attracted to your family. The what effect? The blank effect.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't know. I, I, it sounds like oedipal complex. No, that's like, you want to bang your mom.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, but that's not what I'm saying. But it's like we were saying it was like Newton's law, but some guy came up with it just to justify wanting to bang his mom. But I forget what it was. Maybe it's not whatever, but the, the, yeah. The older I get, the more I'm kind of like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. Like, seeing like, oh, that's cool. That reminds me of. No.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Why does he do that?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Do you have that with your mom? Like, like, do. Do girls do things that remind you of your mom that I don't?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's weird. Like, nothing ever specific, but, like, I think if. I think with men, a woman runs you, your mom, because, like, she's taking care of you.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So, like, it's not like, oh, you draw like my mom, but, like, you know, it's just like, someone's making me dinner or, like, someone's, like, consoling me when I'm sad or, or do you.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Think it's just because, like, nobody, like, checks in on men and their emotions that when anybody shows the slightest bit of.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I think there is probably some, some to that I actually saw. I read recently about how, you know, like, everyone says men are when it comes to, like, just your sickness.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, men are like, women get the cold, it's the disaster, whereas women power through it.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I saw an interesting thing that was, like, kind of, I guess, theorizing that that's because when. When you're a kid, that's the only time you're allowed to be vulnerable.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh. Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, if you get hurt, you're supposed to get up, you're supposed to shake it off, dust it off, be fine. Like, men are taught, like, you don't cry, you don't show emotion, but when you're sick, you're free to show all the emotion you want. So that's why we do it when we're older, is we're still just doing the same thing. And I. I have no idea if it's true or not, but I was like, that makes sense. I see. Yeah, I see where they're coming from on that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. I. I always joke with my mom that she was, like, the opposite of whatever Munchausen's is. Because, like, whenever I'm sick, whenever I was sick when I was younger, she would be like, I bet you are. I'd be like, no, I, like, just threw up. And she'd be like. And then I remember one time she was like, okay, do you want Oreos? Do you think Oreos will help settle your stomach? And I was like, yeah, probably. She was like, psych. Gotcha. You're not sick and you want Oreos. And then I just remember, like, for, like, every single time, she would give us such a hard time. Like, if I hurt myself in soccer, she'd be like, so you just want to get out of soccer? And she was such a hard. Oh, for no reason about that. Anyway, so now every time I'm sick, I'm just like, no, I'm not.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, I feel fine. My mom was the opposite, where it was like, I'm sick. And I was like, okay.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh, really?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But, like, she'd be like, okay. Like, are you saying you don't want to go to school and be like, yeah. She's like, all right, go upstairs. Like, yeah, But I think it was because we had a lot of kids, and she's like, I got three others to deal with. So, like, if you're. You want to, like, leave behind today, fine. No one cares. Get out of here.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Did she. Do you think that she ever was, like, the. Like, a not chill parent? Like, well, you were the oldest, so you were the first. So it's like, was she ever not chill with you, or would she just, like, worn down after four?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

What do you mean?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Like, do you remember when you were younger, her being strict? I feel like she's so chill. Go with the flow. But you say that. That's because there were so many kids.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That she was just like, yeah, but I know. I think she's always like that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

She's a cat.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

She. My mom is a cat. Yeah, probably a dog. Presenting. Cat. Yeah, I just think Blonde, your dog. Presenting. Yeah, but the. Wait, you said something just before that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Sick.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But, like, she was. Yeah, she was very. Like, we didn't have rules. Did you have rules?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

No, not really.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, like, I. I don't. I don't think I've ever really met someone who had, like, strict rules. It was more like you had to make a case for why you wanted to do what you wanted to do. But if you made a good case, you could do it.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Which I actually think is the best way to parent, because it almost was like, I didn't know my boundaries. I was scared to. To cross them. I didn't even want to, like, get to a boundary. I didn't want to. Do you know what I mean? Like, if. If. If my parents had been like, you have a curfew at 11pm you're not allowed to drink. Then I would have been like, okay, I'm gonna go drink, and I'm gonna just get back. I don't know.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I'll be hammered at 10:59.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

But you won't know exactly. Like. But since they were just like, okay, have fun, but make good decisions. And I was just kind of like, okay, I don't even want to, like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Know what that means. Where's your line? Like, no, I know exactly what you mean. The. My parents were very much the same. It was like, yeah, just make good decisions. And I didn't often. Most of the time I didn't. But I still had that in the back of my head. Like, I should make good decisions here.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

See, I always did. Again, they just, like, had, like, this. I don't even know. Like, I never snuck out because I never wanted to. Whatever. I think they had a really good with money. Well, I guess this might be like, this is obviously, like, privileged or whatever, but they, like, in college gave me their credit card. Okay. Yeah. This is actually just, like, really, like, nice or whatever. But they never gave me a limit or anything. But they were just like, don't like, make us take this away. And so then I, like, barely even used it because I was just like, I don't even want it. Well, that's not true. I didn't use it a lot, but I was like, I don't even wanna. Like, it scared me more than if they'd given me a budget that I would have used all of it. But, like, until then, I was very frugal because I was just like, I don't even want to, like, know.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

What their limit is. And that was Kind of all the childhood. I feel like that's a good way to parent.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I guess you're right. And mine is probably the same, only it would have different outcomes. We're like, yes, I got a credit card, but you. And I got told, don't use that. And then I used it to. I would use it to visit my girlfriend a lot. And then one. I remember one day, the bill was like $7,000 or something like that, and my mom just sent it to me, and she's like, I told you not to use it. That's your. That's your bill now. And I was like, son of a. Oh, my God.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Did you see Ella Griff? I actually. I only saw the clip. I didn't see the whole thing. So I don't know if this is true, but I think that she was saying that she bought table. She would buy tables, like, every single weekend for her and her friends. And she probably did that like, 60 to 70 times. And it's like $11,000 for table. So, like, the amount of money that she sent on a table is insane.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That's. Yeah, like, I. I didn't. But, like, I guess that's what I was saying where it's like, that's cool. We would have. I guess we were allowed to have our actions, and then we just had consequences.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It was like, here's your credit card. If you use it in emergency. If you use it, don't use it more. And I used it more. And then it was. Yeah, that's you. I told you not to do that. There's your bill. Congratulations. You're $7,000 in debt.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Did you ever sneak out?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No. Yeah, but, like, we've talked about that, though, because, like, I wasn't. I didn't, like, party with kids in my hometown. So when I went to parties in high school, I was gone for, like, four days. So, like, I didn't have to sneak out.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Okay.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You know, I mean, like, we'd, like, have, like, a long weekend, and we'd, like, rent a hotel or something like that. And we would just. And I just be like, hey, we're going to Vermont for the weekend. And they'd go, okay, see you later.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. And I guess you're boarding school.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Wait, were you boarding school all four years?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, no, my freshman year, I was not. That was when I got caught having a party in my house.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

That's right.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

My parents are gone for a week, and I just let my friends have it. But that was always the thing where, like, I was talking about this with Caroline recently actually on Fishbowl. Great show, you guys. Check it out. But where it was like, the. I forget what I was trying to say, really. Like, when I was a kid and I would get in trouble like, that, I never felt bad about it because I knew I wasn't a bad person.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, I knew I wasn't doing bad person things. I was just doing kid things. Like, if I was like. Like, Caroline was talking about how when, you know, your parents would tell you they're disappointed.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So much worse than when they're mad. And I was like, I completely disagree with that. I never had a problem with my parents being disappointed in me and really. Because I knew they were just saying it. But you're not disappointed in me that I went to a high school party? Like, you're not. Stop being so fucking dramatic. Like, I'd be. You'd be disappointed if I didn't get invited to high school parties. Genuinely. You would be.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

You don't want a loser.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So, like, I was always like, I know you're doing what you have to do. I'm going to do what I have to do. And I'll go to my room. But, like, we both know this is silly.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't. Okay. I don't. I have a complex where I, like, h. I, like, don't believe I'm a good person. And I have to, like, remind, Like, I kind of think I'm evil.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Okay, let's unpack that.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I guess evil is, like, an intense word. I don't think I'm evil.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I just started the show saying, I don't know, Una. It turns out I don't know you either.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Well, no, I just think I just question my morals for everything. Like, even if I give money to a homeless person, is that. That's for me? Like, that's to make me feel better about myself? Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if any. And I guess this is just human nature, but I don't actually know if anything that I do that any of us do is really for another person. Like, I think if I'm even consoling another person. I don't. Like, I guess if I really get down to the root of it, I'm always like, am I just trying to make them feel better so that I feel better?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

This is crazy. Like, you already. You already gave away the game you. You're doing because it makes you feel good, right?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You do good things because it makes you feel good. But so like, that makes you a good person because doing good things makes you feel good. Not doing bad things makes you feel good.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, I guess. But. But it's for technically selfish reasons, which I guess is just human nature.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. Like, oh, I completely like being personable. Being nice. Like that just makes you feel good. So.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Selfishly, be nice.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Everyone should selfishly be nice. Be nice and it makes you feel good.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. And. But the fact that you're thinking like, ah, I do good things and it makes me feel good, I might be a bad person. It's crazy. It's not crazy. Like, it's probably even more evidence that you are a good person that you're even asking it.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

But I guess it's kind of like you're set.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, yeah. Just annoyingly nice.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, yeah. But, yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Anyways, that's it for the show. We got one more show for out of order lay mascots. Episode six, episode seven will be in Chicago on September 24th.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

When do you guys leave on September 24th?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No, probably the day before.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I don't.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I actually don't know the answer to that. But come out. It's gonna be very fun. I'm sure a lot of people from Chicago are coming. Obviously, Nick will be on stage with us. It's gonna be a blast. These have been really fun shows and it's fun to watch the show with everyone and it's fun to talk to everybody. So come out and we'll have fun.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Thanks.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

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[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah. When I was you know growing up it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right. Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

When we were football.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

When you were growing up in Massachusetts the was hockey king at that time. Like, like, like, like you.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Your friends played and stuff basketball because have we started.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yes. There we go. We're here with Michael Chickless. Everybody talking mass Hockey.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah you know I grew up, you know I was a long suffering Red Sox and Patriots fan but they just always broke my heart. Especially you know the, the Red Sox because they would get so close so often. Although the Patriots they went to the super bowl twice and got the.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But they got.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I can swear, right?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, whatever the you want.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I love this. Okay, good. So yeah, I mean you know, but the, you know at least a couple of our teams, the. The Celtics and the. And the Bruins gave us something to crow about. You know they'd win some championships. But then finally in 04 like my kids have this totally skewed, skewed understanding of Boston. They think like, oh yeah, we're title town and we are like for the last 22 years we've been insane. It's just.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't know.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And I found myself complaining about the Patriots last year and some. A friend of mine just looked at me and went shut the up.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, we're gonna get. I'm a New York guy and I'm on the wrong side of the New York. I'm Mets Jets, Knicks fan.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Just had it terrible.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And he not only is from Boston but he like the ages were perfect. He got to experience it as a young boy and then a teenager and that was a man. So his life is perfect. But. But he'll tell you, he'll tell you about, you know. Oh, it's so much harder to be on top because the expectations and what.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

That's some. That's some. That is some bullshit.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Honest to God. Who was that God, who was I talking to yesterday? I was talking to someone yesterday who's a fan of the Ravens. I was talking to Ravens fan yesterday and I was like, yeah, how's the season going? And he's like it's good. He's like, you know, it's just. I find it harder to really care because he's like, we're a playoff team, and really all that matters is if we can get it done there. And I was like, that's what I was saying for 20 years, that the only game that matters is the AFC Championship. Everything else is like, that. That was the. He would book his flights in his hotel, like, in, you know, August, because he was like, we'll be there. And I'm like. And he was right, like, all the time.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

But that's so awesome, though, you know, that far out. Holy.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I mean, Jesus.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Look, I'm not complaining about anything, but it did. It would, like, affect your fandom, where you're like, I don't know. I can't get too upset about an October game, dude.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I had a. You know, I was so lucky during the Patriots run because I sort of had a backstage pass. It was crazy to be at just about every one of them. I, I, I, I missed two of the Patriots Super Bowls, and there were two that we lost, by the way. One against the Giants.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

How. Just. I just want to point out how insane it is that you missed two Super Bowls, and you were like, I just missed a couple. Like, no, I was at most of them. I only missed two. There are people who don't have any.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Exactly. I know it, I know it's crazy. I, I know when I say these things out loud, I, I go like, holy. You know, listen, I know where I'm from, and I, you know what I mean? I, I, you know, I was born in Lowell, dude. You know, so the fact that I got to go to one super bowl, it was insane. By the way, this is the. One of the greatest sports stories ever. You ready for this? Yeah, I think, especially as a Bostonian, I'm sorry. You know, 2002 was a spectacular year for me. That's when I won the Emmy in the Golden Globe and everything for the Shield, right? And then my Patriots get in the super bowl, and FX is owned by Fox, and they. Fox sends me sort of as a attaboy to. To the super bowl in New Orleans. So we go to New Orleans with John Solberg, who's the head of publicity, and, you know, the red carpets out, we have a fucking riot. We have a blast for four days. It's just one party after another. It's insane. We. And then we go to the super bowl, and we have the euphoric ending of, you know, Venatori kicking it. I'm on the corner. I'm at the corner of the field with the Fox guys, and here's my view. Here comes the the kick, it goes through the uprights rack. Focus with my eyeballs to the scoreboard. That goes to zero. I'm like, fuck. If this happened in real, like in a movie, you'd go like, oh, that's horseshit funny, right? And it just, the place goes house because it was mainly we was asking towards Patriots thing. We went insane. Like insane. And not five minutes after we win the super bowl for the first time, Yankees, Yankees suck. Yankees suck. And the whole place is screaming, Yankees suck. I'm laughing. It was just cuz, remember we hadn't done it, we hadn't broken through yet. We hadn't gotten the 04 win yet. So he just had this chip on his shoulder. We just won the Super Bowl. It was screaming, Yankees suck. It was. I can get on common ground with you, the Yankees. Listen, I, I know I'm in New York and I have nothing but love. I love New York. I love New Yorkers, I love everything about the city. I've lived nine years of my life in this town. Broadway, the whole thing. But the end.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You know, they made me cry a lot when I was a kid. They just, you know, they're like when you watch, you've seen Star wars, right?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You sit there going like, go, Darth, go.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Right?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Or they were, I want to say they were. Because it ain't the same.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Well, you know what they are is they're paid mercenaries, you know that you gotta have chemistry to win a championship. Boy, am I talking. You guys are pulling this out of me. It's their fault. It's their fault. No.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Who's your most hated Yankee ever?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

That's the thing, I, I. Hold on, I'm gonna give a caveat because I'm not just a. Listen to me. I was asked to do the voiceover, the narration for the retrospective on G to when he retired. And I was really proud of that because they wanted a hardcore dyed in the wool Red Sox guy to do that because he transcended the rivalry. And I agree with that.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yep.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Listen, if you can't tip your hat to a Mariano Rivera or a Derek Jeter, then you're not really a baseball fan. You're an. You know what I mean? So everything in perspective, I'm an. You might be an then because you have to tip that to greatness. You just have to. So there, there's, there's two ways of looking at a guy, right? And Derek Jeter is a guy who I love and admire as a player and he's a first round guy. And he's all of that and more. And he's a class act. And he represented the Yankees and the. And the game perfectly. But I hated that fucking guy because every time. Yeah, every time he came to the plate, every play he made, he was just that good, you know? So as a rivalry, man, he was a thorn. It's like you guys feel about Tom Brady.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Right. But you got to tip that. You have to tip that to Tom Brady. Right? So. And I totally understand being on the other side of it, and I think.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

The same thing with. With Manning. Like, I. I finally accepted Manning. He was still on the call.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You got to tip the hat. You have to go like, hey, man, the guy. You know, you got to tip the hat. You have to.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's funny.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Otherwise, you're an asshole. You know, it's. It's sports at the end of the day.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You know what I mean? You. You tip the hat when someone's great. That's. That's that my rule.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You can scream when we're fighting. We're fighting. Sorry, I'm an asshole.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You're good.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

When you're fighting and it's a game, it's war. Let's go. But then it's over.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And then you. And then you shake hands. It's part of my ethic as a. As an athlete. You know, when I was a kid, my coaches would kill me if I wasn't that way.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Right.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I was saying it was funny you mentioned the Yankees suck because we just had a show in Boston, and I. I had mentioned, like, is that fun? Well, I'm from Fall river, so. So I'll read. Yeah. So I'm. I'm happy going home, but the. Well, I. I done a joke about the New York and the Yankees and stuff like that, and I just said. I was like. And everyone laughed, and it was. You know, it went fine, but I was like, there was a time when I wouldn't even be able to do the rest of this set because everyone would be screaming Yankees. Because I just mentioned Aaron Judge's name. Right? And, like, that doesn't happen anymore, which I'm hoping it does soon. Yeah. I want that spark back.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Well, you know, listen, for a while there, the Yankees did suck and the Red Sox sucked, and that's when baseball just isn't as good.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I'm sorry. When the Red Sox and the Yankees are out of it. You know, I. I'm a lover of baseball. I love baseball. You know, I just.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But I love to watch, like, the Mariners play the Marlins.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You know, let's face it, when it's, when it's juicy like that, when they're hating on each other, like the other night in Fenway. That's good.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You just want that, you know, you want that kind of tension. Right. And I, so I love seeing them both being good, you know, and I, I hope they get in the, in the. Although we have a tough road in, we have to, we have to face Toronto.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I, I thought a month ago, I was like, we're in easy, no problem. I'm surprised that Toronto is like, you know, they're gonna fall, fall off. And I've been saying it all season and they just really didn't, you know.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Really good, man. They're really good.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Do you, Is there, is there rivalries in acting?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Huh? That's a great question. No, not really. I, I've never felt rivalrous toward another actor. No.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Have you ever been like, you know, we want better?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Of course.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You want the best.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I guess there are people I admire like crazy and there's other people, not so much. But, you know, I, I, you know, I was always taught, you know, jealousy is a worthless emotion and it really doesn't get you anything. It just burns you, it hurts you. So I've really avoided that. I've always, it's just been healthier for me as a person to go like, good on you, man. Go for it. You know, all that. By the way, I just met Evan Moss Bacharach.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

We were just gonna bring that up. Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Today for the first time. And people were like, there were rumors, like there was some animosity. It's horseshit. I've never met the guy and I love his work, I love the bear. And I was thrilled to meet him. So I was the one who went up to him and he was like, oh, dude. And, you know, it was a love fest and we took some pictures together. You know, people talk and it's loose talk and it's, you know what I mean? My father used to say, don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you, you read. You know what I mean? And now it's like, don't believe half of what you read and don't believe anything you read and half of what you see.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Because even now, AI is like, is that real or what? You know, totally. So. And it's, and it's only going to get better or what I should say is worse. Yeah, exactly.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

So, yeah, you have to be, you guys are going to be part of the most discerning and. And my youngest, my. You know. You guys, I'm 40. Get the out of here. You're 40? Maybe it's the context. Maybe. Yeah, I guess maybe.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You're a man, baby.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah, I guess. I didn't think. I just saw, like. Shut the up. Don't look for a. He's looking for a. He's looking for a compliment. You are in an arrested state of development.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Man, you guys pegged fast.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Michael, I figured you were, like, in your early 30s, honestly, like, two kids. Honestly. With that hairline, too. Too. I mean, if I'm a little jealous, it's that, you know, methodically challenged here.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

How long have you been. Been picked?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Long time.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Long time.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah. Long time. Yeah. Well, you know, I don't even want to go into this. It's too painful. But it worked out for me. At least I don't have a pointy head.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's fine.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You know, I could have been tragic if it was. You know, some people have a shitty head. You want to cover some hair, you know, But I was lucky in that one.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

And I don't know.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't know if Vic Mack, he works with, like, a Flowing long locks or something, you know, I don't know. It's just meant to be this way.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah, no, it actually worked out fine for him to be a bullet head. It was good. It was good. I. I had a blast on that show. Incredible.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I mean, it's.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And my boy Walton's doing really good right now. He's killing it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

We had him, I don't know, maybe a couple years ago now. No, not even. He's promoting. What?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, so like a year ago, and he.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I mean, I just saw him night before last at the night before party, night before the Emmys. We were. We were hanging and laughing and smiling.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

He gave, still to this day, I think, the coolest answer he's ever been given on that couch. He was wearing a really great pair of boots. And I went, where'd you get those boots? And he goes, man, these are red wings. I've had them for 40 years. The story, these could. Stories these could tell.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Sorry. Excuse me. Sorry. Yeah, no, yeah, on the truth.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Down his goes.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

See, Walt's cool, man. He's a crazy cat, man. I. I could tell you stories all week. Just about. He and I, seven years on that show. We went through some, you know, and.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That show, like, trying to think of the rest of the cast. Nobody was really like, a superstar, right?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

No, but all really seasoned working pros. Including Walt had been around a long time and we all One of the most wonderful things about that show is because we were all old seasoned pros is when it did explode and all the accolades came and everything. Two things we kept our work ethic and we kept our noses down and we appreciated every minute of it while it was happening, it didn't wasn't hindsight's.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

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[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Season one.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oh wow.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

So you got.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So you got the accolade pretty quickly. Okay, so. So the whole time, you know, seven seasons of that was like, it was never a moment of like, hey, it Wasn't actually popular when it aired.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

It was after.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It was always, yeah, we kill.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

No, no, I mean, it just killed. It just did. It was because it was. Artistically, it was right there familial. It was the, you know, we were just a family. And on it. It was one of those things when every aspect of it was. Was great. Yeah, it was just a great run. Life changing. Amazing. We still talk three times a week, all of us, that.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That is every single good show. Yeah, we've noticed that.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

That's right. Because you've gone through an odyssey together that you never forget. It's a bonding experience like you can't believe, you know, but it also means.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You guys are like. There's people who go through that.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You see it on the screen, though. I say this about the chemistry, what I was saying about the Yanks. The, the, the. And I shouldn't even say it out loud because I don't want to, like, key him in on this because maybe the coaching staffs will get savvy to this. I've always believed it. I don't care if, you know, making television and film is a team sport. Theater, it's. It's 150 people coming together for a common goal, and that's a team. Right? And if you don't have that alchemy together, you're screwed. You might perform well, you might have individual talents, but if they're for themselves and they're mercenary, you're not going to have a championship team. I don't give a shit what sport it is. I give a fuck who you are. Unless it's an individual sport like golf, you can get away with that shit, but you can't with a team sport. And, man, the knuckleheads of the 2004 Red Sox, they had that alchemy and they were laughing and doing shots and like, they were into it. They were playing ball together. They enjoyed it. And that comes out in, in, in casts, too. When you're in a cast, you could see that we loved each other. You got that chemistry. And one of the greatest things that Sean Ryan did as a showrunner is he saw that Kenny Johnson, Wal Walton, Goggins and I were. So he built up our brotherhood to tear it down. And it made it that much more.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You felt it. Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Horrifying. And we were like, oh, really? You know, as we were reading it, you know, like, you know, because we had to go through all that and really go there. You know, we're really committed actors, though.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Like, you know, I Like, like the way the Game of Thrones ended, where they just kind of had some character turns and things that didn't make sense. Like that show made sense when you needed to kill somebody or you needed to turn on someone or back. Whatever. Made sense.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

That's a great showrunner and, and an integral showrunner. And that's why we've never come back. Because we don't want to. To do like a region or something like that. Yeah, we don't want to.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

A movie or something.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah, like. Like we never say never in that. If someone like, had the Eureka moment and there was something that, for Vic, you know, like all these years later to see what's up with him, if it was, if it was like something that leapt off the page, it was phenomenal. And I really would only rely on Sean to come up with that. Yeah. Though you never know. That's one thing.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And that's why I, I never really say never. Yeah. But honestly, we just don't want to touch it onto the next thing. My favorite quote in the world is Tom Brady. What's your favorite championship? The next one.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

That's the greatest attitude. You're not supposed to be looking back in the rear view mirror. What happens when you're looking too long in the rearview mirror? You run into a tree. Keep looking, Keep going.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, I hear you. But as a SHIELD Fan, I would watch it.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Hey, but I got some brewing. And by the way, I want to talk about the. This movie because whether you're a SHIELD fan or whatever stage of my career, this is one of the best things I've done in my career.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Crazy story, dude.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

It's a true story. Can I, Can I go off about Mike Flint for.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Absolutely.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

This. Listen to this guy.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Oh.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Although he'd hate this because we're swearing and salty and he's a good Southern God.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

God fearing man. He's like. He'd be like, God, Michael. Salty. Language. No, but I mean, but he's a. You know, when I met him, I was like, oh, you did do this, didn't you? At 74, I met him. He was 59 years old. Listen to this. Mike Flint was the oldest college football player in the history of college football. The guy was the captain of the Odessa Permian that Friday Night Lights was based on. He then went to Seoul Ross, which is a Big Time Division 2 West Texas football team team. They specialize in defense. He was the captain of the defense. Captain of the team as a middle linebacker. Crocodile. Just a guy that. When you a Guy that when you shake his hand, you go, you feel the. The power. He. And he went on to being a strength trainer, but when he was a senior in college, he was the captain of the team. First week at school, he sees a freshman out of the dorms after hours. He says to him, hey, man, you got to get in. The kid told him to fuck himself. Next thing you know, they throw down, they get in a fight. Mike breaks his nose, beats the kid up. Next day, he's not only thrown off the team, he's thrown out of school because he's been in one fight too many because Mike's a hothead. While he was also revisiting a little bit of the violence of his father. His father was. Turns out it was a World War II veteran, PTSD. They reconciled. That's not in the movie, but they reconciled, thankfully, late in life. But when he was a kid growing up, his father was violent with him. So there are cycles of violence in life, right? You either keep them going or you. Or you break them. And that's a lot about what this movie is about, about fixing regrets. And, you know, I mean, it's a, it's a redemption tale. It really is. And it's a beautiful, big hearted movie. I don't listen. You like sports movies? You like, you know, Miracle? Same producer. Yeah, this producer produced Miracle, Secretariat, Rookie, Invincible. I mean, yeah, Mark Giardi knows how to do this. And Rod Lurie's an Academy Award nominated, wonderful director, incredible cast.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

The Last Castle.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah, that's right.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Redford.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah, yeah, that hurt me. He's one of the. He's one of the reasons. Can I get serious for a minute, please? Robert Redford, you know, is one of the reasons I became an actor. And that was an era, you know, I'm much older than you guys. That. One of the reasons I aspired to be an actor is the, the. The power and impact of the medium and what it did for people and what it did for me as a young kid in the theater and watching movies. And it, it took you to different places in the world. And when you'd see them in interviews, you'd see the deference that people had for them. And it's because they were very well educated men and women. They were respected. And a lot of that has come down dramatically. And it hurts me because the respect for. When you say an actor now, it's fuck you, actor. Shut up, actor. And, you know, you're a trained seal. You know, just entertain me and shut up and don't give me an opinion. And that. That hurts me because, you know, actors from that era were incredibly worldly, wise, well educated. And one thing that people don't. And we don't do ourselves any favors in Hollywood as a culture. And this is why we've. This. This defy divide has widened. It's one of the reasons why. And I'm just trying to take our culpability for it.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

It.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Which is we're in. You know, we're in show business, right? So. But one of the reasons why we're terrified to let people see who we are and see behind the curtain and see our weaknesses and see our vulnerability. So everything's great. You know, as a matter of fact, so many people in the country think that, you know, we're walking around in tuxedos and in evening gowns, we're just talking about champagne. Yeah, no, most of the time, it's 14 hours a day, and you're in soaked alleyways, you know, trying to bring you shows like the Fucking Shield, you know what I mean? And by the way, spoiled bratz, no work ethic, the fuck out of here. You've never seen people work harder than on a film set. I swear to God. You see a film crew, we go in like a mobile army unit. We take over the area, occupy the area, set up, you know, grips and electrics are running cables, hanging lights, working their asses off 12 out of 14 hours a day, not getting enough sleep, not seeing their families breaking ass. Really, really incredible work ethics. I just want people to know that in the. In the. In the world that, you know, yeah, we're full of. We have so many different things, but, you know. You know, I hear terms like Hollywood elite. It's hilarious to me, because I'm from Lowell, you know, most of the people I know in the industry, they came from somewhere in America. They just dreamt of being in films and television, right? And we went over there and we broke ass and we worked our butts off and we tried to be great at our craft. But the thing that. The reason why, you know, you might think twice about just dismissing what actors have to say, especially the seasoned ones who've been around, is that they're. They've traveled the world, they've met a lot of people, and what we do is we get a chance to walk a mile in another man's shoes, you know, and. No, you know, I. I know it's mockable. Like, yeah, you're not really a doctor. You just played one on tv. But, you know, whenever you play someone, you Spend weeks, months, years learning about what they do. And it's not that you could be what they are or anything like that, but because you've looked at all these different perspectives and you see what pieces you see what make a person. Right. You see, you know, what. What make people tick. And it gives you multiple insights. Not to say that we were know it all or anything like that. It's not like that at all. I think it's why we're so empathetic. It's why we. We. We have such deep feelings for people, is because we see people's plights wherever they come from and what they go through. You know, it's our job.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You know, so I just want to open that channel of understanding for what. What actors do, because it's an interesting craft. It's different. And it's not just make believe. You're breaking your balls to represent people. Like, and I. Mike Flint was right there off camera. You know, a lot of times they say this is based on a true story. This one says this is a true story because it's a true story. And Mike was right there, and that was daunting.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You know, I'm like, is he gonna stay?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. I don't like being on the phone with my girlfriend's in the room.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

That's a different issue. But, you know, I in. Mike ended up being so unobtrusive, and he's so lovely. I think he was fascinated. And it's funny because at the end of the first day of shooting, like 14 hours later, he goes, y' all work really hard. I was like, yeah, Mike, we. Yeah, yeah. And he was there every day, and I think he was. He and his wife were roundly impressed and fascinated by the process of making a movie. And how arduous is it is bit by bit, and how the patience it requires and it's just, you know, and I'm 59, the same age at the time. I'm 62 now, but I was 59 when I made this movie. I. I just came off playing Red Arabach in the. In the winning time thing, which we can go off about that too, which, like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah, that's a dream come true.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Like, oh, my God, you know, Adam McKay, all the people involved in that was a great. So great. You know, and my father, you know, I was just so bummed he wasn't alive because he was such a Red Aura fan, you know, from the early days. You know, he was. Came up with watching Koozie and. And Havlicek and those guys.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And as I understand it, because I wasn't really around for Red hour back. As I understand it, he was a man who, I guess like Kevin in, in. In home alone, where like my dad would tell me he'd be like, if you were playing in Red's house, he made sure you had cold water in the visitor's locker room. Or he. He made sure.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Nailed the visiting team's window shut and cranked the heat. Yeah, he was diabolical. Diabolical. Diabolical. Hey, you got a flu, go in the locker room.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Oh, wow.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Spread those germs, you hear?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I'm not saying anything that that might be true or not. I just hear things I've heard he killed.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Anyway, I remember there was a path playoff game where Belichick did something that always struck me as, as Red hour back in was. I forget who was in town for the playoffs.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

It was.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It was a cold weather team, might have been Houston or something. And Belichick put a thermometer every 10ft on the walk to the lo. How cold it was.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I haven't heard that.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

How cold it was out there.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Oh, no, I haven't heard that one.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Negative. 10 boys get on out today.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Oh, that's games and that's crazy. So what we were talking about, about Mike Flint before, I want to go back to him because that guy, man, you're watching us and the work ethic we have and what, what. I just want to make this point that it ended up being the greatest asset because once I realized he wasn't going to be coming over and giving me notes, you know, and being obtrusive and how, how humble and lovely he was, I would go to him and say, hey, Mike, you know, when you guys were going through this, what should I say?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

What should I do?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And he was an invaluable asset then, you know, then it was beautiful because, you know, and let me tell you something, man, I'm really proud of this picture, not the least of which is for the physical, because I was coming off a Red.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And I had to, like, I was fat and you know, just working out like a sicko, trying to get back into some semblance, you know, 59, you know, so I, I got into, you know, I'm in better shape now, but I was, I got into pretty good shape for it. And I was sprinting and doing all kinds of. And all the linebacker drills. I did everything.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Is that fun? Was that dart tiring? Was it?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

It was both. It was Both. It was exhilarating and amazing. You know, man, I was the captain of my football team in high school.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And I had multiple offers to, you know, I had several offers to play football for some Division 2 teams, full boat scholarships.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Really?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah. But I didn't, you know.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You wanted to go. Did you go into GO to be you for.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I went to BU as an actor. And you know, one. When you're an acting major, that's your sport, you know, you don't have any time. You're in plays. Right. You're in rehearsal. So, you know, I didn't have any time for that. And I wanted to keep my teeth. And, you know, I knew I was going to end my marbles. And I knew I, you know, I was going into that. But, you know, I loved sports. I played football, hockey and baseball. Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

What positions did you play?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I was. I started both ways in high school. I played fullback and weak side linebacker. I was. I was a solid football player. It was a blocking back in a short yardage back and. And weak side linebacker because they stunt blitz with me a lot because I. I was fast off the mark in the open field. You'd always catch me because.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Oompa lumpa legs, you know, I just. Quick off the mark, great for penetration. Plus, you know, I'm five nine, 200 pounds in high school.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Because my wet head weighs 40, you.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Know, like a fire hydrant.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

It was bad, you know, like, I ran into people and they were like, holy.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You know, I know these things can move. Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

What the. You know, because you look at me at first, you're like. And then, you know, ran into people. It's a great way to put it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So I. I got on the field, I ran into people. Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I love that. I loved it. I loved contact. I loved it. But let me tell you something. It's so different at 18 than 50.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Like, all of a sudden, like Willie Bell, this kid that played at Old Miss was the kid I was up against hitting. And he's like, hey, man, just bring it. You know? And I. I told this on Jimmy Kimmel the other night. I brought it. I brought my whole life. I brought my family. I hit him with my whole soul. And when I got up, he's like, no, man, you can really bring it. I'm like, dude, stop taking it easy. I just bounced off of him, you know. It was a truly humbling experience, tell you that. It was so fun, though, man.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I was playing football again at 50.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

It's not something you Ever imagine. I was like, totally. That's why I was so skeptical at first. I was like, did this guy do this?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And he. Then you. I like. I said I met him. And I was like, oh, yeah, you did it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

What they always say about. Because Mike became a strength coach at a. M. Right?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

What they always say about strength coaches is, as I understand it, they're kind of like the hockey goalie of football, where it's like. It's a person who's just insane. Would you say Mike fits that bill?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I'm one minute after meeting him, he jumps up. And this was aimlessly. He's just talking. He was not, you know, just aimlessly jumped up, grabbed the pull up bar and pulls 12 pulls. I'm like 74. 74. But he just did them. And I'm like going, is he. What the. No help. No, no assist. Drops down, keeps talking.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

A true me. Holy cow.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

But trust me, the guys in the team too. Well, by the way, everyone on that team, that's what I loved. We all are athletes. Everybody's played everybody. And that's why the football sequences are so. Because those guys all played. But my stunt guy who did like four shots where I got my clock clean and thank God I let the kid do those shots because Willie cleaned him out. Yeah. And I was like, oh, my God, I would have been dead.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. How do they shoot those?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Those like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Because I've noticed just as movies and TV has gotten higher quality, that sports scenes, especially Winning Time was good too. Like, they really do feel real these days.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Are they getting hit?

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

Like.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And there's no, no, like rules and regulations around that. Or we kind of bend in the.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Rules a little bit. It's very thought out. But. But, yeah, they're crushing each other. But it's. But it's worked out in the. And the person who's getting crushed knows it's coming. So they know how to play for it and how to brace for it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

In the Best Laid Plans, though. Yeah. Like, some of these kids, you know, took a minute to get up. But the great thing is they were 24. Yeah. So you bounce up. You're 24. Like me paralyzed. I'm sorry. Like, by the way, all the shots in this movie where I. I initiate the hit or. Or I'm hitting with another guy, it's me. There's a couple of shots where I'm blindsided or I get hit from behind. Also the shots on my back. And you can't, you know, you can see, you can't tell that it's me.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You know, it's, you know. So why am I taking that hit for a 24 year old, 220 pound guy who was the, you know, starting linebacker at Ole Miss? Why would I do that? That's the same.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You said that everyone played football.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah, pretty much everybody in the team played. So we all, it wasn't like. It's sort of like riding a bike. It had been 40 years since I played football. Like, like tackle football. But still, you know, I was the captain of my team. And you. I put the uniform on and I was fired up, man. I was. And then I walked on the field. Yeah. And then I swallowed my throat.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Well, there's something about. And if everybody, I think every guy who's ever played will go through this. And then you went on, you know, on a movie set, it's a heightened experience. But yeah, you think you're 18 again and you can do, you know, like.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Your brain thinks, right?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And it's like.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And then you do like, why do that? Right.

[Jackie (Podcast crew member)]

I play basketball ball, but it's like.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I have the urge like dive on the floor to get that ball or take a charge. And you do that and you're like.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Wait a minute, I can't do this anymore. I lived in the cold plunge, which by the way, I highly recommend it. It sucks. That first minute sucks, but man, it makes a hundred feasible.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Really?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah, because it takes your inflammation down. And the next day I was okay. I was, you know, I was saved by the cold plunge. Really.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That, that, that's a grind though. I mean like, like, you know, it's got to be a big departure from a lot of the other acting you've done, right?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Totally. Listen, I've done some. I did seven years of the Shield and we were rough on the Shield. We were, we did, you know, all athletic guys. Walt's ripped. Kenny is the world champion arm wrestler. Right and left handed. People don't know that. Right and left hand is gangster. That's crazy monster.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Which one you are, by the way?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

He's, he's a little freakish because like I have the shortest limbs. I just oompa lump it, right? But the thing is like when I'm sitting next to Clint Eastwood, I'm taller than him, sitting. And then I stand up and it's like. And he goes, and he goes. He's six, four, you know, and like. And he's got a short torso and long legs. I'm the opposite. I got a very long torso and like, I can Push over a friggin A VW Beetle. But you know, or at least I used to be able to. I got really strong.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Legs. One thing I'm really proud of, that nothing broke. You know, when they said, michael, you're wrapped. I was like, yeah, because dude, every play, everything, I was so focused. And you terrified that something's gonna go pop snap in 59.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. Forget about breaking thing. I'm thinking, you know, even the these. Everybody's tearing their Achilles. Everyone's tearing their ACL like one of those athletes, man.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Second to last. 4:30 in the morning. Second to last shot in the final game sequence, my calf blows up. I blew out my calf. Second to last. And the, the play was over and I was pulling up. That's how it seems to be game. We get full on. Great shot. Do the block. The, the final thing, you know. Did you guys have seen the movie?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

No.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

No, no. All right. So did that whole. The wide shot. Got it. You know, pulling up. Boom. Oh my. My right calf just blew up and now I can't. I can't weight bear on it. And I have one more shot and it's a tight closeup of the same shot. So I. The. Everybody was like, it's the last shot before I rap.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And I said to Rod, I know how to do it. Put me on the dolly and push it and I'll fake like I'm running. Yeah, yeah. It's right here.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So you go like this.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I'm doing this one. It's only two seconds of a shot, but it works. But it works. It works. Damn. I shouldn't have let you guys in on that movie. Magic. Yeah. I'll be watching the curtain back a little bit. But yeah. Yes. And I'm again, I want every. I got to make the pitch here. And I'm sorry to be such a friggin salesman, but. But you know, it's. It's an independent film and it looks like a $40 million feature. It looks beautiful. It was beautifully shot. Great filmmakers, but we're not. We're an independent film and we're up against big studio features, man. And they have 40, $45 million publicity, advertising budgets. We don't. It's word of mouth. And I always do publicity for the things that I do, you know, just out of professionalism and a matter of course. But this one, I'm going the extra mile. Like, this is the kind of grassroots push that I put on for the shield because, you know, Summer, there's. There's red flags along the course of your career, if you're lucky. And I've been lucky enough to have a half a dozen or more shows that were, you know, that I was willing to go all out and just really, you know, go the extra yard and do the grassroots and really go to everywhere and. And, And. And say, hey, you got to go see this. This is a good one. And. And the. Because it's. It's not just me. It's the way the movie's made. Like, I'm in the movie and I'm watching and I'm going, go, motherfucker, go. And I'm like, wait, I know what's gonna happen. It's me. But you can't help it. It's just built that way. It's just really well constructed. And the guys in the film, we had such camaraderie, and it's just electric. You can feel it between us. Mary Stewart Masterson's a national treasurer. She's with her. Oh, my God, you're so young. She was a huge movie star in the 80s and 90s. Just. I was introduced to her work by my wife. She pulled me to this, what I thought was a chick flick to a wonderful movie called Fried Green Tomatoes. And I cried like a child, and it was beautiful. And that's when I became a fan of hers. And then I saw all the rest of her movies, Some Kind of Wonderful and all these different movies that she's done, and she's just a. A superb actress. Beautiful and so talented, soulful. And the work that we do together in this movie, it's as good as anything I've ever been a part of. Wow, that's a high praise, man. You've done some good. Yeah, there's a couple of scenes I have with Mary. I'm. You know, we finished the scene, I just hugged her and just like, Mary. Mary Stewart, you're the. Yeah. Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That's great.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah. Wow. What a. What a cool way to interview. Because you, like, literally, it's a dorm room and. Yeah, it's a hangout. It's cool to talk to you.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I'm assuming you're coming in because we got a wrap.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Don't yell at me. Yeah, I'm sensitive.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

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[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

How, like, how much of that do you, do you agree with that, do you think?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

100%. There's no question in my mind. Like, when I watch the bear, I go, they love each other. It's just, it's there on the, on the film. Now.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

I don't even understand how you can do a show where the writers are in a different room and never meet the actors.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You can do, you can do a. A film and get away with that. And, and sometimes that reverse alchemy ends up being electric on camera.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

But to do a television show while you're hating on people, while you, like, your people, are upsetting, that's like the seventh circle of hell. And I, you know, the. Life's too short, Ben, man, why would you want to spend that much time of your life, you know, because you work 12 and 14 hours a day, you know, with people that are being miserable and hateful, you know, so yes is the answer is 100 yes. And when the chemistry is there and there's trust, then you're free, Then you can really go for it and you can be in the moment. You can. You can really go for what the writers have put on the page. And, you know, and.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And the writers are at least, like, factoring you in. Well, you know, they've met you, they've seen you interact. They go, oh, he could do this. Well.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

On the Shield, I. We had done something that I had never experienced before on a series, and that was, you know, when the writers write. You know, there were eight writers. And that's the other great favor that Sean Ryan did for himself. He being a great writer, hired great writers. You know, some people are like, it's all about me, and I've got to be the star. But I don't know about you guys. I'd much rather be a great player on a. On a championship team than be the.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Star on a loser.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Loser. I don't want. Really?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Give me all the money and the glory and we suck.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

No, I don't want that. You know, and that's what the Shield was, a championship team, and everybody scored. But the one thing that I used to. All the sports analogies, man, you love this shit. That year, the Red Wings were the champions, and they. They happen to be an extraordinary team. And even the goalie score.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And I was like, we're like the Red Wings, man. Everybody, like, everybody scored on that team, and that's the way we were on the Shield. And. And Sean, you know, insisted that, like, each. They whiteboard out the whole series on the walls. Right. And then you. You get number two. You don't do number show number three. You. You do number four. And in a wheel, as we were shooting the shows and were Shooting Show 2, you're on set for that whole week, and you're out of the writers room, and you're. You're. You're not overseeing and overlording. You're there to make sure. Yes. That the integrity of the piece isn't, you know, consistent and being shot the way it's intended.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

But also, you know, to collaborate, to be there with. And. And the other benefit of that is the writers hear the voices of all the actors, see the chemistry with the different actors. They gain insight to the whole. And it just raises the bar entirely. It just. The. The. It just made everything better.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. I don't understand how it could be, like, what do you mean? You would write a script and send it to people who you haven't met.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

It's kind of like. It's kind of like being on a team and saying, like, we're not going to Practice.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right, right.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

We're not going to spend any time together.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah. Just throw it together and hope it, yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Like, hope, you know, we're all good. We'll just, it'll work out of here. You got to work together.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's like when that, when the Lakers went with like Carmelo and Gary Payton, Kobe and Shaq, everyone thought it was gonna be a great team. It just, it didn't. They lost to the Pistons because the Pistons were our real team.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah, real team. Yeah, absolutely. And then that's why the miracle team won it.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

The Russians were like, ah, we can beat these pieces of. And they were like hungry and Right. Loving on each other and let's do this. Oh, I love team sports.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And then my last question is, as a former Emmy winner the other night, I didn't care for the, the countdown thing. I don't know. Do you know about that? The boys and girls.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I know about it. I, I, I, I only saw a couple of minutes right at the end of the Emmys because I had a screening that night.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Okay.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

It's the first time I've missed the Emmys in, in many years. I, I, you know, you just sort of, you know, that's our night. And there's these guys, you know, of course, America, that's not every night of the week. Yeah, we do it twice a year. We have the Emmys, the Academy Awards, it's the Golden Globes.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

But the few nights, I just wonder if you could walk us through the experience of winning because basically the winner had a ton of pressure on them to wrap it up in 45 seconds. And I thought it was an unfair amount of pressure. Like, what was it like when you heard your name Red? And then what?

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

It's an out of body experience. Especially in my case because we were really, you know, like I was called by Peter Liguori the night the, the president of FX at the time called me the night before the Emmys and he said, chicky, I just want to tell you, we're so proud of you. You're the first person in basic cable history to ever be nominated for an Emmy.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Wow.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

We're thrilled. We're a little net let no one's ever heard of us. You've put us on the map. You're going to go and represent us. But I just want to let you know you can't win. There's no, just I hope that you have your expectations. Not, not low zero. No. Because you can't win. And honestly, I did never thought in a million years That I would win, especially considering who else was on that docket, you know? You know, I don't know. Some couple of losers, like. Like Martin Sheen and Keeper Sutherland, you know.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oh, my God.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Peter Cross and, you know, and with the Golden Globes, Gandolfini, you know. Yeah, okay. You know, like, you're not winning.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right, right, right.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

You're just not winning. So. And. And you really. I did not. I didn't. But when someone says it, you know, your competitive nature sort of kicks in. And I bristled.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

And I was like, I can't.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

It's like, well. Well, hearing it was different. I was like, why? Well, why do you say that, Peter? And he said, all right, HBO has 480 voting members of the Academy. NBC has 430. We have seven. Holy. So people would have to jump ship. It would have to be pure.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oh, wow.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Yeah.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So you won, like, the best Emmy of all time.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Well, it's going against their own project to me. Well, first of all, all, when he said it to me, I just went, oh, yeah, yeah. And I just went there and listen to this. We get out of the limousine and. Oh, I love that. I'm. I've never told anybody this.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Oh, please do.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I get out of the limo. Well, you never talk about this. It's a little embarrassing. You know what I mean? I don't know. It's just like me, you know what I mean? So I get out. I get out of the. The limo, and my. The first four people my wife and I see are Sheen and Sorkin talking to Spielberg and Hanks, you know, and that's like royalty. And my wife looks to me. My wife turns to me. You're to love this. My wife looks to me crestfallen and goes, are you going to be all right?

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

You're like. Like when you lose.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And I put a good face on. I was like, honey, thanks, honey. No, no, no. I went, honey, look, we're invited to the dance.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Let's just enjoy it. You know what I mean? Right.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

We're. The little shop is amazing, you know? You know, we're here. We're amongst titans. Let's just enjoy it. Yeah. You know, really. And I was in the best head. Yeah. No speech. Nothing. I. I had nothing. I knew. I. I knew I wasn't winning.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I was told implicitly that I wouldn't win, so. And on top of it, Kim Cattrall, who. You know, and the sex of the city girls were up there. And then Michael Krause. Not Krauser. Michael C. Hall was Dexter.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Dexter.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Not for Dexter. It was for. For Six Feet under and Peter Krause and. And he were both up for it for Six Feet under, which was a phenomenal. Yeah. Show. Hbo, you know, we're talking about. We're up against. Yeah. You know, also the strongest companies, too. Right. So I'm just sitting there like, this is so great. You know, winked at the camera. You know, when they said my name, I'm just like, really? Really? So I was so prepared not for it to. I knew it wasn't happening.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Right. So 60 to 7.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I was good. Yeah. I was like, yeah. I was. This is cool. And. And Kim Cattrall goes, michael. And I went, oh, Michael. In my head. I did.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I was, like, psyched for him. And then because she sort of elongated it. Michael Chickless. I went. And it's my name. So confusing. I honestly thought, well, no, yeah, that's my name. That's not the right name. They've missed.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

It's a llama.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I just went. It dawned on me. I just went, oh, shit. This just happened.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Yeah.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

And I. The rest of it, I. Is really. I don't know. Right. Until I got backstage. I honestly. I'd have to look back at it to kind of know what happened from there, because I don't know.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

That's what I know.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

I made a bit of a quip because Conan o' Brien had said earlier in the evening, he had said he had made a joke about my name, Chickless, which is a second grade joke. Like people have been saying to you, chickless. So, you know, you idiot, Conan. So I turned. I. I was surrounded by the Sex and the City girl. So I said, hey, so much for being shickless. I remember saying that.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

So much of being chick.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

So I wanted to throw a quip, but aside from that, it was like, you know, the Charlie Brown teacher. Like, nothing. Yeah, nothing. And I. I, you know, I'll. Can I. Do I have time for one more quick award story? Oh, I got to go. Peace. We'll save it for the next time.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Please do. Please do. I got more questions.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

What a pleasure, guys.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Thank you so much. Go see the senior in theaters now. Do it.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Do it in theaters.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Thank you.

[Michael Chickless (Actor, Emmy winner)]

Hey, what a pleasure, Michael.

[Barstool Sports Host (likely KFC or Dave Portnoy)]

Thank you. I really would love to.