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You just need a new phone also.
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Hello? Hey, this is Taylor from Madison Brand. Shut the, who are these people? I mean it's constant. Dude, I have 51 little miss, like the little, little red thing says 51. It's just nothing but numbers that aren't potential spam. Potential spam. Potential spam. I, I, you know what I need? I need to like start my life over. I need a new phone number. I need a new email.
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You need a new phone.
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I need a new, I need a new, I definitely need a new phone. This is, this is a new phone. I got this phone. This is, I just upgraded this, dropped it right away. Broken. I need a new email, new phone number, new everything, knew everything. I wish I, I I'm, I'm about to restart all my social media, just start from zero and get a clean slate. Because between the algorithm and, and your data being out there and the calls and the text, it's just like, got.
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Me out of here.
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I, I can't do it. I used to be like, I can't, I'm not going to change my number. And then I'm like, who cares? I think that's something you think is a big deal. And then you realize, no, it's not. Get a new number, text the people who you need to talk saying, hey, here's my new number. You're good to go. Everybody else stops bothering you. It's great thing. We should all change our number every like three years. Just get a clean slate on life. Anyway. Hassan Piker is a left wing streamer on Twitch. And on one of his latest streams he was, I think it was October 7th. He was yapping about something and his dog is in the background. It's this big, I think it looks like a Fluffy, almost looks like a chow chow type dog. And it's, it's laying there like quietly. It's almost like part of the scenery in the background. He's yapping about God knows what and the dog just gets up and starts to like walk away. And you, you see him be like, like Kaya or whatever name is a Kaya. God damn it. His hand reaches over off camera and then the dog like jumps and yelps at. Everybody is pretty much connecting the dots here that they believe he shocked his dog on stream in order to like keep her in the shot. A part of the stream or laying down quietly. It's hard to say. You can't say anything for certain because his hand is off camera. You don't see him like push a, a button on a thing. There's no way to necessarily tell why a dog yelps and sat down. It's not like the dog can tell you what happened. But they have dug up old clips of him talking about when he first got the dog. Him and his roommate like got a shock, a shock collar, so they know that he has one. There's another clip of him with a guest on his stream where the, the woman is, is petting. I think she's a comedian. I'm not sure though. She's petting the dog and she's like, oh, your dog's collar is way too tight. I can't even like get my, my finger underneath there. Like, I think you're choking her. There's enough out there now that people are, are putting the pieces of the puzzle together. And it looks like this guy shocked his dog. And then he kind of goes on this rant. Like the, the chat is sort of like, yo, like, leave your dog alone. And he's like, my mom was what was dog sitting and let her have run of the house and now I need to get her back in line. This guy's, this guy's, this guy's. There, there's just like, for the longest time, I've always said there are two things you can't do in America. It's blackface and, and, and do bad stuff to dogs. That is what will get the, the world to turn on you in a heartbeat. And probably way more so the dogs in the blackface, if I'm being honest, which is crazy. So this guy, I'm sure is gonna deny it and, you know, I'm sure do whatever he can to spin this or, or donate to a dog shelter or what, you know, whatever it is that he's gonna try to make this go away. But that in America, you around with dogs, man. That's it. I'm not saying, like, his career will be over, he'll never be able to earn again, but you'll be known as the dude who electrocutes dogs. Whether that's reasonable or even true or not, I don't know. I'm just telling you that's what's going to stick to this guy for the rest of time now, because he's not, I, I, I, he's a successful dude. Seems like he has millions of followers, millions of streams, millions of subscribers, millions of dollars. I, I had never heard of him up until now. Which is also the craziest thing about the Internet, man. You just realize how big the Internet is, how big the world is, and how much money there is to be made in virtually every sector of the Internet, every hobby, every avenue, angle path that you, that can be done like the Internet has done it. This guy's just talking politics. So it's not like he has some intriguing niche that's, that's interesting that he can make money off of. He's just doing what everybody else does and being a political grifter, basically. But, you know, I'm always astounded when I, I hear the name a new streamer, a new influencer, tick tocker, new rapper, and I'm like, who? What? And then you go check and it's like, oh, yeah, they've got millions of followers, platinum records, you know, millions of dollars in the bank. I think this guy has like a three million dollar house in the Hollywood Hills and drives a Porsche. I'm like, I never heard of this guy. And I'm sure there are people who have said the same about me and Barstool when we were first coming up. Like, what? Who are these guys? And our fans would always be like, you know, they're way bigger or more influential, more popular than you. Dinosaur. So I probably sound like the old man, but it's not even more, it's more just interesting that like I, now more so than ever, is the best time to do what you love, do what you do. I'm always, I'm always a little hesitant. Like, I'm always, I always tell Feidelberg that he should make content about going to the gym. He should make content about fashion and clothes and dressing, because that's what he does. Something as simple as just like his outfit of the day or like, here's the latest trend I like. Or check out this brand. And working out he does all day, every day as it is. So it's like, just throw the camera on, jump some rope, you'll get some sponsors, whatever. And he's always like, I, I, that's not my work. I don't want to do my work. I want to do those things for enjoyment and I don't want it to be a part of my career, which I totally understand. But the flip side of that is like, if, if you have something you love or like you withdrawing, right? Like if you have a talent or something that separates you or something that intrigues you, now is the time to just like, press record, write a blog. Well, probably not write a blog, press record, you got to do video. But whether it's, you know, tweets, Instagram, long form, short form, if you just do your thing, it might not happen like overnight. But if you're truly passionate about something and it actually like intrigues you to the point that you live it, breathe it, know it inside and out, if you do it long enough, you'll have an audience, you'll have a following. I'm not saying it could be your career. I'm not even saying necessarily you will make money off of it. But that sort of authenticity, when you really do do something, like, I'm always trying to figure out what's next and, and I think that's, that's a good approach as well. But if you have, if you have something that you really, you know, is your passion or calling, that comes through that authenticity and that like genuine Care for it always comes through. It might take a long time, it might take years, you might not. You know, your ceiling might be a little lower than others based on what you do, but it's the best time, like ever to just. And you know what the real difference is too? It's everybody who tries to do this hits, hits, like this ceiling, probably, let's say a few months in or whatever, probably for a lot of people, even like a few weeks in. And it's the people who push through that that I think end up making it or establishing themselves as something that's, you know, more than just a hobby. It could become a side gig or, you know, God willing, if you're lucky, like a career. The amount of people who, who I think do try all this, you know, we joke about, like, there should be a tariff on podcast equipment because everybody buys a mic and a camera and starts a podcast. And everybody can, you know, hop on their social media and do a green screen video like me or whatever it is, these low barrier or write a blog, right? But the amount of people that do that and expect it to be like, okay, I've done it for a week. Am I famous now? Am I rich now? And give up, I would imagine is like 99.9%. And I bet you the amount of time that takes for them to give up is legitimately like a matter of like a couple weeks. The amount of people that I've told over the years, specifically back when we were still writing and it was a website and a blog, people who would be like, how do I work for Barstool? And I'd be like, just pretend you have the job. Just do the job. Just start the job. You won't have the same followers or feedback or readers. I'm sorry, you won't get the same amount of page views. You won't get all the hits. You won't have all the comments or the shares. But like, you can just pretend you're doing the job and that's kind of your resume. That's your, your showcase. And people would be like, I desperately want this so bad. I'm like, okay, here you go. Like, start it up. And we'll, I'll. I'll keep checking in on it and we'll see what, how you do. Two weeks go by and they're like, hey, I've written, I've been. I wrote like, I wrote like 10 blogs. Like, am I good to go? Am I in? Am I hired? Am I rich? Am I famous? Like, no, not even close. You Got to do this probably for like two to three more years before anything happens. And so that's where the people. If it's something that you are going to be doing every day in your regular life as is, you're gonna do it anyway. So it doesn't matter if it's two years, three years, four years, five years. You might catch lightning in a bottle and it's a couple matter of months. But ordinarily it takes time and it's a grind. And if you're doing it just to try to get famous or just hoping you're going to have a career, it, you probably end up flaming out or you know, getting frustrated with like, why isn't it working as fast as I want it to work? Whereas the people who just like doing it doesn't really matter like how successful it is off the bat or if it's monetized or how many people are watching it. I don't, I don't even back in the day I remember I would like check the stats of my original website, but more so just for like, I never was really. I never made any money off of it. It wasn't like I gotta get these numbers to give them to sponsors or to Flex or whatever. It was more just like looking at numbers and be like, oh, is it going up? Is it going down? Am I doing something right? Oh, we had a big day. Oh, I. Somebody shared this and I saw a correlation in spikes. So like just trying to get, get the lay of the land. But it would be like 600 people, you know, on a good day. I remember Large. Large is old website. Before Large worked for Barstool, Large had a website called Take a report Dot Com. It was a Wall street finance blog. That was when I first basically Largest, like kind of Large plus Barstool together is like what got me into blogging. One of the best writers ever. Such a New York, like finance guy. So it was very relatable for me and, and I loved it. And anyway, he took a vacation once and the guy who runs their website, sort of like his producer and admin, he went by the name Admin, was like, large is gonna be away for a week. We gotta keep the lights on here. We gotta keep the page views up. So we're looking for like guest bloggers and guest spots and a post I had put up on my site. They also posted on their site. So I didn't write for their blog, but I wrote something and they were like, can we publish this over here? And anyway, when that went up on take a report. You know, like a few thousand people came over to my website for the day and it was like, I hit Powerball, bro. Going from like 600 readers to, you know, 3,000 was like, oh my God, I'm famous. And you know what is funny? Things have gotten so skewed now when you hear some of these numbers. Kaisernet has like a hundred million subscribers or whatever the it is. Everyone's rich. I was at an industry event last night. I'll talk more about it in a little sec, in a little bit. But I was talking to some people who do business with some of the big streamers and they were saying that like some of them will have like a million dollar deal that they are just like not signing. Like, never mind, I changed my mind. Or like the paperwork is here. All I need you to do is like put your name on it and it's official. And they're like, ye, I don't know, I'll get to it later maybe, maybe not. And the sales people were telling me like, dude, like that's like $100,000 commission for me that I'm just waiting to get. And these streamers are just like, whatever. My point being that the numbers and the fame and the fortune have gotten so crazy that everyone is sort of skewed. But back when I was first doing it, followers and, and subscribers and those type of numbers were so not even a thing. I was thinking like, damn, like 600 people read this blog today. And I was so jacked up about it. I was doing the thing. I was like, if I, you know, if I. You put 600 people in a room and they all were like, hey, we read that thing that you wrote and we really like it. I'd be like, this is, this is an army of people who love my work. So it was, it was cool to like back then to not be as, you know, jaded and skeptical and whatever of some cynical of some of these numbers. But anyway, my point was that I was doing that for like 600 people. Never made a dollar. I was on Google Adsense. They would send me a check for like a dollar and 18 cents like every month, whatever, you know, But I loved doing it, so I just kept doing it. I got lucky in the sense that after about nine months, I think it was, was when Dave was looking for, for somebody for barstool. So I can't even say, know, I did it for years, but I did it every day, all day for nine months. And, and you know, it ended up leading to something so it's not going to be a couple weeks. It's going to be a long term, a long term thing. And once you know one, if you can get through that, then there's all these niches and all these avenues of like, you know, I, I always look to how much nerd core, nerd culture became like the, the industry between the Marvel movies and comic books and Game of Thrones and all the cons, Comic cons and all that sort of stuff, you know, that typically in the past would have been considered like nerdy or lame. Now like took over the world. And it's because I, I genuinely think a lot of it is all of those people could connect on the Internet and it's like, yeah, again, stereotypically you're in high school and you're like the nerd and you get bullied for it and you don't have anybody like connect with except for you and a couple friends. But all those people hop on the Internet and they find everybody else who's been bullied or can call the nerd or, you know, people don't think it's cool. All those people connect. It becomes its own industry. And so you can do it with absolutely anything. Again, this guy Hassan Piker, to go back to him, is not doing anything niche. But again, it's just crazy that a guy. I'm, I'm pretty chronically online myself, although as I'm getting older, I'm like a little bit less plugged in. Never heard of this guy Monster Big. And now we'll have like the fight of his life on his hands. Because you just can't be a piece of with dogs. You can be a piece of shit with people and get away with it way easier than being a piece of with dogs. I don't know if that's right or wrong. I'm sure people have their opinions on it. I think that we've gotten a little bit out of control with dog culture. Dogs cool dog people gets a little, you know what? You know what it is? The dog. The problem I have with dog stuff is the same problems I have with youth sports. It ain't the dogs and it ain't the kids. It's the adult humans in each of those realms that make this unbearable. I love dogs. Dogs are great. I don't need like, it doesn't define who I am as a person and run my life and I don't think they should be at, in every public setting and, and just like run society the way it does now. Like dogs run society and the, and if you say anything against that, like, you know, you're almost like the Scarlet Letter pariah as well.
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You know how people say, like, Trump could do anything and people would still support him. Do you think if he was like on video hurting a dog, that that.
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Would be the ultimate test, wouldn't it? That would be. I'm. Listen, I'm sure his die hard followers would, you know, be like, I'm gonna go kill my dog too. Like if Trump says so. But that would be, But I, I honestly, as for all of Trump's shortcomings or all the things people may hate about him, he's not a dumb guy, might be uneducated to this point that he can't give a presidential speech, but he's not dumb. I think even if he hated dogs, he'd be like, if I'm on, if there's a camera and there's dog, who's your dog? He's just too smart of a businessman to get caught slipping like that. This guy Hassan also was so, like, just defiantly. I think what it is about why people get bent out of shape about the dogs is other, like, humans are also kind of shitty. So if you have a, if you beat up a human or you're fighting a human, as long as you're not like, it's not a kid or a female or it's a serious like, power imbalance where it's like, yeah, you're just being like a piece of bully. But if it's like human on human crime, it's almost always there's like two sides to the story, right? Every time I do like a one Mark Sanchez, right? I did a video about Mark Sanchez. Oh, my God. Get well soon. The Sanchez. Please don't die. Jets fans love you. Two minutes later. Oh, wait, no. You're the piece of who was attacking and beating up and physically disfiguring and maiming an old man. And it was like, yeah, you know what? This whole story sucks. Like, this guy's stabbing you. You're the who instigated it. When it's dogs, though, very 99.9% of the time, that dog's awesome. That dog's just chilling. And so when you abuse your dog or treat it poorly or even like, you know, you're a little too, like, harsh with it. People don't with that because it does feel. It's almost like it feels like a little baby. It's like the equivalent of like with like a little kid. I mean, Mark, Mike. Mike Vick was obviously the, the biggest example of it. And I always wonder if Michael Vick and the dog stuff happened now, would it be better or worse? And I don't know, I go back and forth because on the one hand it would just be bigger, more people, more exposure. You know, there's just that many more people on social media and, and in the news. And so it would have been exposed on a much grander scale. On the other side of things, though, there's more than ever like bad behavior almost as like a good thing. You know, you get caught saying the N word and your business goes up. You, you know, you. You speak out and say some shitty stuff, but like, it aligns with people politically or ideology wise and they. So they back you. The anti cancel culture back and forth that we always do. You cancel me? No, I'm not, I don't. You know, we don't cancel. And both sides have been hypocritical of that. But there. I just feel like there might have been maybe more defending him as well. I think it would have just been heightened and I think there would be more people and more hate, but there also would have been more people maybe defending him or, or just saying, like, the punishment doesn't fit the crime or whatever it may be. So, you know, this, this isn't quite there. It was not dog fighting and killing dogs and electrocute. Well, I guess it was shocking dogs. I think Michael Bick was like, straight up. Him and his people were like straight up electrocuting them. This is a shock collar, which. The other thing is like these, these are a tool that many, many people use. Many dog owners use. I remember, I think I. I had one that I did. I used with Duncan early on when he was. He would eat all of Shay's pacifiers and got to the point where he was like, you know, she had in her hands or in her mouth. You could see that he was like trying to get it. And I was like, this is absolutely how I'm gonna have a dog bite my baby's face by accident. And I've, you know, got a Sophie's Choice situation here that I never want to deal with. So we. I got like a little shock collar. I put it on myself. I shocked myself first to understand what it was, and it was just like a buzz. It was like a. I mean, you probably could have ramped it up, but I just used it to be like a. And it was almost more of the same thing that they use for like a clicker or, you know, if you whack them on the nose with like a newspaper or something like that. I remember doing that and I didn't think, I remember not like loving it. And I think we did it for like, you know, a day or two, but it worked. Like as soon as he was going after a pacifier he would just kind of avoid it. But it was, you know, there was never to the point that he was like yelping or crying or anything like that. We taught, we had talked to a dog trainer who like, I guess in hindsight if a dog trainer was just like, yeah, use a shot collar, I probably should have been like, you're not that good of a dog trainer. But whatever. My point being that it felt like it was not this like inhumane, heinous thing to do, but it was also not just like, I'm doing this so you stay put and you're on camera in my stream. And it was not, you know, cranked up to the point that it was making a dog yelp or like lay down in fear. That's gonna be a tough one for Hassan Piker. And I, I, judging by the very little I've seen of him where he's just kind of one of these like inflammatory political commentators, he does not seem like the apology type. He does not seem like he's going to be very conciliatory on this one and just be like, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that and I'm gonna try to be better. I'm sure he'll dig his heels in or deny it or fight it, but it's tough when it's just blatantly on camera like that. And, and even if it's not super blatant, it's because again, like I said, you can't, you can't like in a court of law prove this but it's, you know, in common sense wise so whether sponsors or businesses actually harmed because, you know, it's probably pretty tough to be like this is all based on conjecture and hearsay and circumstantial evidence and all that stuff. But I think the general public people are going to be like, yeah man, oh yeah, you're that piece of dog guy. It's not a great, not a great reputation you want following you around. Bluechew. It is not just a tablet. It is a cheat code for you and your sex life to make sure that you're happy, satisfied, your partner satisfied. Physically you're doing good, mentally you're doing good, you're getting your rocks off and everyone's enjoying themselves. That's what BlueChew is. It's not just a tablet. It's all of that combined into one medication. Easy to chew, tastes good, makes your dick hard, makes you last longer. 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Dave.
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Dave's gonna, you know, hate this guy like some big names of of dog people. It's gonna get ugly for him. It's also getting ugly for Aisha Curry right now. Aisha Curry went. Steph Curry's wife went on call her daddy. And how to quote that in a vacuum I think is really not that big of a deal. We'll play the clip. But you know, Aisha basically said I never planned on being like the stay at home mom. And I think she went as far to Say she never planned on having kids, and she had these career aspirations and all these goals, and it just. That's not the path her life took. I haven't listened to the whole rest of the interview. I'm wondering if there's a point where she clarifies, like, and now I'm as happy as can be. I don't think there is that point, because I feel like that would be on clips as well. And I feel like there'd be people defending her, being like, well, did you finish the next 10 seconds where she says, and it's the greatest blessing of all time. Wow. Wow. I was wrong. I can't imagine had I not done this. It's, you know, the. The happy mistake or the happy accident or, like, you know, when it's not your plan, but everything falls into place. The problem is it's not in a vacuum. And it's like, Aisha Curry has, over the last several years, made comments and done things that just people perceive as, like, disrespect to Steph Curry and kind of, like, signaling that, like, she's not happy. And. And this. This goes back to what I was saying last episode with Taylor Swift stuff. Like, a lot of people are creating fanfiction in their head. Like, we do not know that couple. You do not know what. Who they are, what they do. I feel like Steph and Aisha went from, like, goals to the pendulum swung the other way, and people now kind of characterize her as this, like, disrespectful towards Steph Curry, don't need to say everything out loud type of wife. I. I don't know enough about it to really say one way or the other. I don't think anybody does other than Steph Curry and Aisha Curry. But I will say that there's enough examples here and there, little silly things here and there, but when you add them all up, it starts to be like. I can kind of see where people think there's a pattern. For instance, she was on, like, the View or some. I don't know who it was. She was on some show, and there was, like, a hot guy who came out, a guy who could dance or just, like, had his shirt off or something like that. All the girls are going wild, and Aisha Curry, like, pretends to take her wedding ring off. Harmless joke. I don't think Steph Curry or really any even remotely secure man would care about that. But it's like, that one and then this comment and then that comment. And, you know, I can't even give you the specifics of them, because they weren't. They're really not that big of a deal. And I. I don't know all the history, but I know that there's enough out there where people go, like, godamn. Aisha Curry said something again, like, aisha still out here, you know, talking about Steph and her family. It's that sort of vibe and this, this. But this one was as, like, kind of as blunt as it gets, at least. Again, the clip I heard, there was no qualifier or disclaimer. It was sort of just, I never really wanted to have kids, and now I have a bunch of them. My only problem with that is she was like, I was. She kind of characterized it as like, I was this career woman and I had this dream and this passion and this project that, you know, she was like, had a lot of balls in the air. She was juggling a lot of irons in the fire. Like, she was doing this, that, and the third. I think she was like 23 when they got married, or like, we're at least together. And not to say that you can't be, you know, making moves when you're in your early 20s, but it comes across as like, I was the CEO of this company that I'd been with for 20 years, and I had to give everything up for him and my kids. It's like, I think you had plant. When you say you have plans, it's much different than, like, you have dreams. Everybody, when they're in your early 20s has dreams of being, like, the CEO, but if you then settle down and get married, I don't know if it's exactly fair to characterize it as, like, this marriage and. And these kids, like, derailed my career. It's just like, yeah, your. Your dream, your very generic dream that everyone has of being the most successful person in the world. Your life didn't go that way. You know, it's like, I had a dream of being a professional athlete. It's. I don't think you could be like, oh, it ruined my plans because I became an accountant. It was just like, yeah, that was. That was not going to be. It's a little different because you're making a choice. You're choosing to do it. She didn't have to do it. She does go on to say that, like, they had their first daughter so quickly after they got married that, you know, it felt like it almost just kind of got away from her. That I can understand. I sort of went through that myself. Obviously, very different for Men and women. But we, we had Shay. I got married in October, and I think she was pregnant by, like, April, I want to say, if I'm doing the math right, I don't know. But it was, you know, only a matter of months and, you know, it just, you every, you know, as much as moving in with someone, proposing, and then getting married changes your life, it's all at this stage of the, of the game, pretty, pretty much formalities. You know, it's like if you're living together and dating someone for several years, you're pretty much married. I do warn against people who say, like, I'm already married now. You're not. No, you're not. You are in a very serious relationship. You are living together, you're cohabitating. You are around each other 24 7. You are still not married. And you don't know what, like, true married life is going to be. I, I, the ring on the finger changes things. And then you go through the wedding planning, which can be stressful, and the wedding itself, and it's just different. It's not, you know, I'm not saying that it's not something you're prepared for, or it's going to be so radically different that, you know, you can't believe it, but it just is different. Sort of like when people are like, oh, I have, I have a pet. I, I know what it's like to be a parent. Know the, you do not. You know what, you know what it's like more than the average single person. You know what it's like to have to wake up early or go out late and do so, you know, walk your dog, take care of your dog, your, your pet, you know, it's one step further of being selfless and having to do something for another living creature. You are not a parent. You can call your, yourself a dog, dad or mom as like, a joke, but anybody who really thinks that those two things are comparable probably has never had a kid or has never even given a single thought. You can go away and leave your dog alone for a weekend, like 72 hours. And you'll come home and, you know, maybe the dog's hungry, thirsty, your house is torn apart. There's and piss on the floor. It was a disaster. But that's about it. You go away and leave your baby for 72 hours, you're going to jail for murder, bro. Like, that baby is dead and your life is over. There's a very big difference between the two. And so that's, you know, I'm I'm kind of applying that, that logic to what Aisha Curry said about her dreams and her career versus what she ended up with. It also kind of comes across a little bit tone deaf when it's like, oh, no, instead of your career, you married a gajillionaire who is by all accounts like one of the most stand up, great guys and you have a few beautiful kids and you're living a life where you want for nothing and have no concerns that the average person does. That's not to say I, I very much understand the idea of mo money, more problems. I very much understand them. That money doesn't, is not the cure for everything and the, and it's not going to give you happiness. So I can understand if, if you're a woman or anybody who feels like I wanted to do something else, but this marriage and, and kids took that away or stopped me from doing it, you're gonna feel away about that. And that sucks because you probably feel resentful towards the person you love and the kids that you made. And ultimately, hopefully you, you still deep down love them. I think you can have moments where you're like, I love, I love these people unconditionally. But like, there's also this part of me, you lose a part of your independence or you lose some of your freedom and you lose your ability to do things that you, you know, want to do or achieve. So I get it. It's a, it's a delicate, nuanced thing that you got to figure out. But I would just say that usually that's something you should do kind of internally.
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Also, if there's anyone that could do both, it's probably her. Like, yeah, there's anyone that could have the kids and be married and do her career aspirations, it's probably someone with a boatload of money, a bowl of.
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A
Money, like all the nannies, get a.
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Nanny and go start a company or.
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Whatever to take care of it. You know, I mean, I, I definitely know that there's instances of women who give up, you know, their career or stop going to school and take care of their kids. And that takes a long time. You know, when you, especially if you space them out, you know, you got to raise your kids from 0 to 18 and really, let's be honest, it's like zero to infinity these days. It's pretty much, it's definitely like zero to 30. Like you're, you're still taking care of your kids at 30 at this point. Whether it's like literally money and housing or Just like, you're still parenting them. And I know there are instances where it's like, okay, my kids are grown now, or at the very least, like, they're in school. They can drive themselves. They can handle their own schedules. They're just like their own humans. And I'm just there to make sure that they're like, okay, and don't die. And now I have free time on my hands. But the problem is you just spent the last 15 years not honing your skills, learning your industry, keeping up with the times, the technology, the changes. So now it's like, okay, now you do have the time or ability to do it, and you're no longer qualified or able to. Or, you know, you're just like a dinosaur. I don't think that applies to Aisha Car, though. I think you're right. Like, she's still young enough. She has all the resources, all the support. She has stardom and fame. And I think she even. I believe she's done, like, cookbooks and all that. It's not like she's just, like, sitting at home in the kitchen.
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Yeah. Also, like, call me crazy, I feel like she would have an easier time following her dreams than a poor bitch with no. Well, poor woman. I don't know why a poor woman with. With no kids or husband.
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Totally. Totally. There is something, though, about, like, I remember this has been the. The. The theme of my, like, entire life the last 15 years is the work life balance. Six, seven. The other day in Umpire, it was the playing the baseball game, and the guy bobbled the ball, and the umpire was calling him safe, and he went like this, and everyone was like, six, seven. There is. Can a home security system really call itself security if it only responds to something once the burglary or the bad thing has happened? No, that's. That's like a home cleanup system. You want something that keeps you secure, and that's what Simplisafe does. It can stop the crime before it happens. They have AI powered cameras that detect threats while they're still outside your house and let you know that there's something going on. It will alert the real security agents that then will take care of the situation. It's a game changer. They will stop the intruder while they're still outside. 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It's simplisafe.com KFC radio. You can save 50% on a home security system that's Simply Safe. S I M p l I safe.com KFC radio for 50% off. There's no safe like simply safe. The work life balance has been like the number one thing for me. And I think a lot of people, I think at the end of the day you can, if you want to be like very, if you want to speak in general terms and be like very reductive. That's everyone's life is like, everyone has to have a job and, and you have your personal life and that's, you know, within those things there's a billion other little specifics and, and nuances, but like the general ideas, you wake up every day and you have to live your life and you have to live your professional life and how do you balance those things? And I found that without fail, every time, if I was doing well at work, home was suffering, and if I did great at home, work was suffering. And that's probably a very universal experience for a lot of people. But it was pretty stark for me where it was like traveling for work, doing some of the things we did at barstool with parties and girls and the jokes I make and the travel we do, the places we go, how often we're gone. Getting into the world of like being recognized and being quote, unquote famous or having, you know, be in the public eye. All those things for me were a very big strain on home life. And it just made. It led to fights and it led to uncomfortability. And you know, there were things I wanted to be supported in and I wasn't getting that. And then there were things that I did that upset her and it just felt like I had to pick between the two and then vice versa is like when I would, you know, be more present at home, would miss an event, wouldn't watch the game, wouldn't go to the thing, whatever it is. And everyone at home was happy. Dave would be like, you know, Couch Clancy over there, like, you know, he's not working hard. And it just, you know, that, that feeling of like, you just can't win. I remember, I mean, this, this one sticks with me like so much. It's like one of the biggest regrets of my life was when the super bowl was in San Francisco. And I've told the story before. If you're one of the die hard listeners, I think I'm out of stories. I don't know. You've heard them all. But we, we were going to the super bowl like we always did, but this was early enough that I think we were kind of establishing the, the tradition, the ritual of like barstool goes to the super bowl every year. And I think it was in San Francisco that year, and we were all flying out on like the Saturday before, whatever it was, and there was a blizzard and. And leading up to it, me being away for the super bowl was going to be a fight in my relationship. It was like every time I had to travel, it was a problem. It was sort of like the silent treatment leading up to it. And then when I was there and wanted to be like, excited and working, I was kind of like fighting a battle at home and texting and trying to apologize and like all that sort of. And so every time I did that, it just kind of got worse and worse and worse. And the super bowl was like our biggest, longest trip. There was a blizzard and our flights got canceled, and I should have just like scheduled a flight for the next day and gone out there and went to work. But it was sort of, at that point, I was sort of like, this is like, kind of convenient. Like now I don't have to go. I'm not gonna fight at home. Dave was sort of like, are you coming or not? And I think we ended up doing like Skype at that time. It was Skype and Google Hangouts. We did the rundown like that way. And I think Dan ended up going out late. And like they, you know, Dan and Dave did their thing together at the super bowl and I wasn't there. So it was like a missed opportunity for me at work. And while it made things like copacetic for the week, like, there was no beef for that super bowl week where I would have been Fighting it was like, I mean, it stuck with me all these years later where I was like, that was so stupid. That was so like, lame of me and just immature of me and weak and stupid and all that. And in the long run, like, that specific trip didn't end up being that, that harmful. But I'm sure there was little things like that along the way. A bunch of times where I was like, oh, he's not doing this or not doing that. And then that's how, you know, Dan and Dave have always kind of been in lockstep with gambling and sports and stuff. But I don't know, maybe had I been going to more of those things like that, that trio would have. The dynamic would have been different. I don't know. But I, but it's in my head of like, I know when I made the choice to do home over work, and I know when I did made the opposite. And I ultimately feel like you have to work in life. You have to work. You shouldn't be a workaholic, but you have to work, you have to earn. Especially as a man. If you want to talk about traditional gender roles and like expectations, you have to work. And that has to be like on point because it's hard to have. You have to make money, you have to pay the bills, you have to feel fulfilled, you have to have opportunity, you have to have a long term plan. Like, okay, I can do this until my kids are of age and I don't need to worry about them anymore. That it's almost got to come first. And I feel like you have to find the relationship that allows you to do that.
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There's something to be said though for like having separate work in personal life, because I feel like a barstool, especially like some people don't have separate. So like, I think it's good when you can recognize separate. Like, that's a pretty good spot.
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I think you almost, that's another thing you almost like have to do. Like you can get away with it for a while, but I think in the long run, if you mix personal and business too much, barstool is a very big. They do that. Like that's a big part of barstool for two reasons. One, everybody's young, or at least they were young. And in general we keep infusing youth into it, which means you're going out, you're socializing, you're partying, all that. And two, it's a lot of like transplants coming. When we all moved to New York, it was mostly a Lot of Boston people coming down to New York, it was. Dan came from Chicago, Nate came from Baltimore. All these people coming from their hometowns to New York. And now they don't know anybody, they don't have any family, they don't have any friends here. So the easiest thing to do is just be like, oh, me and all the other 20 somethings that just moved here, we're in the same boat, we're going through the same life experience, we have the same schedules. All that is very conducive to just like, let's go grab a beer, let's go out to dinner. Do you want to live together? The people who live together, that's a bad idea. But that was also, like, when I was at Deloitte, it was sort of the same thing. Barstool is hyper, a hyper version of that because it's all of those things kind of on steroids. But when I worked at Deloitte, we had. They did like crops, like classes of new hires. So, like, I had my class the same way. You'd be like a freshman, sophomore, junior. Like, it was me and like 10 people. And then next year there was like another new 10. At that point, we hit the recession, so there was like a hiring freeze. So it wasn't just like endlessly new people, but there was a couple crops of people all within the same ages. And it was very easy for like a couple of the girls to be like, do you want to be roommates? You're, you know, you're in the same, like, money bracket, so you can afford like the same amount of stuff. Going to be on the same schedule, like I said. But almost without fail, those people get together because they're like best of friends at work. And I watch so many of them start to butt heads and fight because you just, you're around them, you, you're commuting together, you're working together, you go home together.
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I love, like, I just moved in with two girls that I barely know and I'm like, I say, what's up? And then I'm like by myself in my apartment and it's so nice taking the train by myself.
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Like, yeah, the commute is the real problem.
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B
Like, I can see. Oh, if I had to get on the subway with someone, they'd probably walk too slow and piss me off. Yeah, there's so many ways to get.
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Annoyed in that the time for yourself. Like, I never lived with anybody from work, but we all lived in Hoboken. We came from New Jersey. Same trains and stuff. And If I was walking to or from work and I would, like, bump into a friend, I'd be like, see you later. Like, I'm gonna go, you know, like. But it was cool. They would get it too. Like, cool. I'll see you in, like, 10 minutes when we're back at work. We don't need to do this extra little ride here together. Those things just end up really not working, folks. It's the foreplay, guys. Let's talk Truly unruly. When you spend every day following the countless laws of golf like us, it's refreshing to get a little unruly. Whether that means using the old hand wedge to escape the bunker or just cracking open a hard seltzer that breaks all the rules, few things feel better. Truly Unruly is the first high alc seltzer that actually tastes great. Good. 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But there was definitely a part of me that, I mean, one Minute man was like, is like the biggest thing I've ever done. And that is a type of thing where when news breaks or when I first see a story, I do it. Whether it's here or at home, whether it's morning or night, weekends, weekdays, holidays, whatever, I just go. And I. It was probably a lot of my own shortcomings. Like, I felt like I couldn't do that. It's really. I don't think through anybody's fault. And if there is any fault, it's really probably my own of, like, you. You create your own work life environment, you know, So I felt as if, like, oh, my God, If I, like, if I go, if I, after a long day of work now I'm gonna go work more or I'm gonna interrupt whatever we're doing or, hey, we can't go do that because I gotta watch the game or, or whatever it is. There was a lot of that, trust me, don't get me wrong. Like, that was always kind of something everyone in all of our families had to understand. I did do that a lot. I wouldn't have gotten here if I didn't, but there was a lot more. You know, once I was doing that, it was like, it just all felt like a weight off my shoulders where it's like, I'm not doing anything wrong anymore. I'm not. You know, there's not these expectations to behave a certain way. It's just like, this is, and so that I, I, I, I often think, like, this job is almost, I view it the same way I view, like, athletes. Like I always say, athletes should just stay single for your career, get married when you're done. Because nowadays getting married at like 35 is totally normal, especially for a dude. Age gaps are like, you know, makes sense in that, in that world. And it's not like you're getting married at like 55, you're getting married at a normal time. Have a regular, pretty much a regular life maybe a little bit later than the average person because, you know, you were focusing on your professional sports career for your 20s and like half of your 30s. I mean, these days the latest you're going to be is 40. So why not just wait and, and do it then? And I think of barstool almost in the same way. It's obviously not as high profile or as important or as lucrative, but it's the same idea of like performing and you're not on anybody else's schedule. And like, you, you do what you do unencumbered. Sort of. I, I do, I believe that's, I think that's the way to do it. If you really have a career goal and you're not just talking like, I have a job and I want to rise the ranks, like, everyone does that. But it's like, if you have a trade that you're doing, like, I went to medical school, I want to become a doctor, I'm gonna do that. You know, you're paying all this money, you're giving up so much of your life to study, and then if you're trying to juggle a relationship while you're doing like your residency or whatever, and it's like I need to go after this because this is my goal and this is what I put so much time and effort into and stuff that gets in the way of that, you know, you, you might end up presenting it, you might end up having a problem with it. Obviously, the, the best case scenario is that perfect work life balance. You find someone who supports you and it's like, go, go to work for 36 hours a day. I don't care. I love you. I'll see you at home. When we, when we're together, we're together. When we're not, we're not. It's okay. All that would be great. It's just not the most realistic. And so if you are, if you can't find that perfect fit, I think it's better to stay single while you're going after that dream. Like I said, whether, if it's a trade, if it's an opportunity, like, I, I think what I should have done, I was very hellbent on living a quote unquote normal life. And so I was like, I'm going to get married when people get married, I'm going to have kids when people have kids, I'm going to do stuff that regular married people do. And I think I should have just been like, I'm not living a normal life. I'm not going a regular path. I'm not saying that I'm like some entertainer or some, you know, extremely rare and unique thing. It's. But it is different than your average, like 9 to 5. And trying to pretend it wasn't and trying to like, wedge normalcy into a situation that's not normal was not really a successful idea. And it's not like when I say not normal, it's not good or bad, it's just different. It's just not normal. It's the same thing as if, you know, if you're not, it's not, you know, fame and fortune, but it's like, if you work at night or weekends, if you work in the sports industry, I'm a broadcaster, you're never gonna be around at night, you're never gonna be around on the holidays. Like, that's just how it goes. And it's better to like, accept that and either find someone who accepts it or be like, if you can't, and I can't find someone who does, I'm just not gonna do that right now. So I felt like, you know, once I started doing all that, I was like, oh, man, this is what I should have been doing this whole time. And Then the goal, you know, then. Then you go. Then I was kind of like, all work, all the time, and then you start to be like, oh, I want some of the. The romantic life or the personal life or the social life or whatever your. You know, the other side of that coin is for you. So, I mean, just like anything else in life, it's. It's all in moderation. But to bring it back to Aisha. Yeah. Like, whatever. Whatever goal she wanted, whatever career she wanted, I'm pretty sure she could still have it and do it right now. And I. I just. It. Some of it's not fair, I don't think, like I said, to characterize them as, like, unhappy or she's a bad wife or whatever, but I think if it reaches a point where it can become a thing that people are latching on to, there's enough people out there who have seen enough clips or quotes or whatever that they're like, yeah, this is a little up. Then it kind of feels like you're probably going down a path that's, like, disrespectful or unnecessary or.
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How did Alex Cooper respond when she said it? She just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, again, I. I should have probably listened to more of it and. And just the clip, but it was more like Aisha just kind of spitting solo.
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Yeah.
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But, yeah, and then to go back to, like, she. I think specifically she was saying we had a daughter so fast, and I think that's a big thing, too. Like, we. We thought that there might have been problems with. With conception, so we were like, let's. We got to get started. To see, like, I. I was already, like, saving money for, you know, potentially IVF or adoption or whatever path we're gonna have to go down. Because I thought there was gonna be problems. We all did, and then there just wasn't. So initially, it was sort of like, let's try. And then if it doesn't work, then we, you know, go to plan B. But we got to see if plan A works. And plan A worked really, like, right away. Like, literally right away, one shot. So it was like, okay, talk about pivoting. Like, you're just. You were going on this path, and you're thinking, like, all right, down the road on that path, we're gonna go this way. And, you know, so I. In my head, I start thinking about how much time and how much money and just making a plan, and then all of a sudden, it goes that way immediately, and it's gonna change the dynamic of. Of your relationship. And so if she was already maybe feeling like, I. I sympathize. Where it's like, if you have goals and you're about. And you think you're about to set out and do them, and then you meet somebody like Steph Curry, who, unfortunately for her, like her, his goals and his opportunity and his career is a very, very special one. So it kind of takes precedence in a way. So you give up a little bit of that. But you're probably thinking, all right, now we stay married. We live as like a young couple together. We travel, we explore re. Experience. I can do this thing over here. And then whether they plan to unplanned. However it happens, you're pregnant and you're just like, okay, now, especially as a female now, that's just your life. Physically, emotionally, mentally, literally, figuratively. All of it is now just your life. And if you're not, like, rock solid or when that happens, it's only going to kind of like, exacerbate things and. And probably make things worse. Like, I. I definitely feel like, at least in my case, it was like coming out of the wedding, I remember being like, there's some things I think we got to work on or address, at least from my point of view. Some things that I was feeling, and then that just kind of goes out the window because it's like, time to worry and focus on this kid. And I just. I feel like if you don't have enough time to live with your person as a married couple, but not parents like that, you almost skip that whole. That whole thing. It's like you're living together. Like I said, people kind of feel like that's your time where you're living together as a couple without kids. But again, you're not married. It's just different. I just feel like you should do everything kind of long enough where, you know. So it's like, we dated long enough that we're cool. We move in together. All right? We did living together enough that I know it works. Now we can get married. Now let's live and enjoy each other as a married couple long enough to then be like, it's time to go into parenting. You know, when you kind of rush through it, I think that's how you end up. Even if you're wealthy, successful, have the opportunity, whatever. Yeah. You know, those opportunities can slip through your hands if all of a sudden you rush into family life because there's just. You just can't really undo that. So, yeah, it's all. It's. It's It's a very. I think what goes on with Steph and Aisha is it is very similar to the Taylor stuff, where people are speculating and creating scenarios in their head, or they're projecting their own problems and insecurities, or they just don't like Steph Curry because they are a. A fan of another team, or they don't like Aisha Curry because they are a diehard Steph fan and they think that she is bad to Steph, whatever it is. I think them specifically. Some of this stuff is crazy. And. But I think what she's talking about and going through is a very, like, real and universal feeling for a lot of people in general, but then specifically women who have to, like, decide between career and. And family. I just. And then, I mean, if you're lucky enough to find the person and the situation where you can do your job wholeheartedly 100. And feel like you're doing well at home, like, that's the dream. I. I don't know if there's any situation where you can do, like, a hundred percent each, but I feel. I think the dream is, like, because there's just not enough time in a day and not enough. It's just not possible to be, like, the best in your field, but also the best, most present dad. I. It just. You know, you can do it if you're Superman, but otherwise you're gonna have to make concessions. And sometimes I wonder, is it like, should you do both at this level, or should it be, like, when I'm on work mode, I go a hundred percent and I'm not there for you, and I'm. We haven't talked on the phone or what? You know, I haven't. I didn't see them. I left before they were awake. I got home after they were asleep. The kids, like. And then the weekend hits or the season of sports ends or whatever it is you do, and you're like, okay, now I'm gonna go 100 family, and work takes the back burner. I don't know whether. I don't know what the. What the best is. I feel like moderation is always key, so probably doing both to a healthy level is the right idea. But sometimes I wonder if it's like, go hard. Be the. The. You know, do everything you can professionally to the point that at home, it's like, you got. Got to handle that, and then you switch back. I don't know. 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B
My parents were, like, gone a lot when I was a kid because they both have, like, unconventional jobs. Like, they both work at night. Like, my mom owns a restaurant. My dad's a singer. So they were always basically home after I was asleep, and they kind of recently, like, were asking me that same question, like, would you have rather. And in hindsight, like, at the time, I had good babysitters, so I didn't really care. It was just like, all I knew.
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A
Was it, like a. It was babysitters, like, different people or was like, a nanny that was, like, one person that you, like.
- [60:54]
B
We would have, like, long times where we'd be with one person, and then they would have to leave and something would happen. Then we would get a new one. But.
- [61:02]
A
But it wasn't like. Like, night one, you call Susie. Night two, you call Rebecca.
- [61:05]
B
It became that because we had one person and then that person. I mean, we had. We had, like, the same babysitter for so long that. That person. But then, like, like, we would have them for all of their time in college, and then they would graduate, but.
- [61:16]
A
Basically, like, wait, when you say babysitter, do you mean, like, so at night when your parents were working, that person came over or they take.
- [61:21]
B
They would. In the day, they would. Well, we. They would take us to school. They'd pick us up from school. Yeah. So I also just became independent when I was super young, like, able to cook Dinner, whatever for me and my.
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A
Brother, like, and I, I don't look back on that as, like, dysfunctional.
- [61:40]
B
No.
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A
Where are my parents?
- [61:41]
B
No. And that's what I was gonna say. Like, my parents clearly, like, feel guilty about it now, kind of. I mean, I, I, But I will say, I mean, I don't know how Shane Keegan might be pissed, but I'll say, like, to my parents, I'm glad that they, like, when they were, when they were in work mode, they were like 100 in work mode. And I'm glad that they were because it means they're still doing it, you know?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, I think if they weren't, my dad wouldn't still be on tour, my mom wouldn't still have a restaurant. And now I get to, like, enjoy those things.
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A
I think that' is when you get a little bit older, you can respect and appreciate that they are, like, killing it at work. I wonder. I, again, when I was young, I never even thought I had, like, there, There are times I go through my, some of my life as a kid and I'm like, that was weird that I probably, like, could have felt away and just didn't. Like, we were, yeah, my, my grandfather was dying. My grandfather, my mom's dad died, got sick. And I think, if my story is correct, I think he got like, a timeline that, that was way longer and he died very quickly. And my mom, I think, because it was kind of like a shock, was like, I need to be there for my mom. So she, we were living outside of Philadelphia at the time. So my, I was born in the Bronx. That was where my family was. My dad got a job in the suburbs of Philly. We moved there for a little bit while we were there pretty quickly. My, my, my, like a couple years in, my, My grandfather dies and my mom was like, I gotta go live with my mom, my grandmother. And so she and I left Philly to live in the Bronx. Back to the Bronx. And my dad and my brother stayed and, and my sister, like, was probably, like, just born. So here. So here we moved. We moved to the Bronx. When my dad, my grandfather, got sick, he died relatively quickly, shockingly. So, so that I, we ended up moving back pretty quickly.
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B
I see.
- [63:40]
A
And then it was like, then we all moved as a family because it was like, my grandmother needs help or whatever it was. So. But there was a period of time, like fifth and sixth grade, I went to one school and then came back to another and was bouncing back and forth to the point that one school called my dad one day and was like, you guys are, like, wanted almost. Because they were like, your son has missed 100 straight days.
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B
Truancy.
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A
Yeah, I guess we, like, didn't tell them we were leaving, so we, like, enrolled in school. And then we're like, all right, we're moving. And we just bounced. And people were like, what the. So I was doing this back and forth thing. And then when I was like, in middle, late middle school, in high school, my mom went back to work, my dad was working, so I was kind of like, latchkey kid get myself to and from practice. But I never once was like, what the is going on here? Like, I miss my friends, or why aren't you around?
- [64:26]
B
I think usually the people that do feel like that is because people around them kind of tell the kids, like, oh, your parents. Because I went to therapy when I was, like, pretty young, just to, like, get anything out of the way, you know, and my therapist was like, oh, your parents are gone. Like, that's why. Like, if you're depressed, like, that's why. And was telling me I should basically be mad at my parents. Fired. My parents were quick to get her out of there. But. Yeah, but. No, but I think it's a lot of the time it's like people telling the kids, oh, your parents were gone a lot.
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A
Like, that's why the therapy, like, revolution is. Is interesting to me. I think on the whole, it's a better. It's a good thing because I think it's a good thing because it just shines a light on, like, mental health. And I think that's. I think the. The good takeaway is that everyone should be focused on and concerned with their mental health. And I think there was generations of people, and specifically men working who were just like, we don't do that. We don't talk about emotions. We don't talk about mental health. You go to work, you do your job, you get your money, you raise your kids, and you shut the up and that's it. So in. In that sense, mental health therapy, all that psychiatrist is good because it just got people in that mode of thinking. I think where it gets dangerous is the therapists themselves. In a lot of these spots, like.
- [65:42]
B
This one clearly sucked too. Like, this was not the norm. I've had a few different ones, and they all, like, for me, like, talk therapy isn't for me. I like having a psychiatrist because they can. I don't know. For me, it always feels more tangible, like medicine and stuff.
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A
I can understand that. I almost feel like People go the other way too, though. It's like, I don't want medicine, I just want to do it.
- [66:00]
B
I think therapy is good for people who don't have, like, a normal life where they talk about things. You know what I mean? Like, for, for you, if you have a podcast, you're good.
- [66:09]
A
Like, yeah, but if you're like, and I, like, talk to my friends included and don't have interaction and don't have family or friends that can do that for you, it's a good thing. But, you know, when, when going through divorce with my kids, they were so young, I was like, should they be in, like, proactive? Like, everyone's happy and good at school. There's no, like, warning signs, but, like, should we be proactive about this?
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B
Yeah.
- [66:31]
A
And I, and I'm sure there's a lot of people who believe yes, but I, there's a part of me that's like, I think we're making a problem.
- [66:39]
B
Yeah. When I say mine was proactive, like, I was pretty depressed. Like, mine wasn't that mine.
- [66:43]
A
We were like, I, I, we took Shay to like a thing. Yeah. It's just the therapist once, child psychiatrist, whatever it was, and we, you know, she, it was like a typical, she was a baby, baby. She sat down, she was like drawing some pictures, and this doctor was just like, so tell me what you're doing just to feel her out. I don't even think they spoke specifically about, like, mommy and daddy divorce or whatever. It was just like, get a feel for this child, you know? And she came back and was like, your, your kid's totally normal, like, if, if not like excelling, you know. So then I was like, well, then who? Like, let's just, you know, I get worried. I'm like, maybe, you know, maybe there's gonna be problems down the line that we should have been addressing. I mentioned a couple weeks ago, like, sometimes specific questions come up and I probably could do a better job of like, really parenting and just explaining and talking, but I am always a little cautious of, like, they're doing great in school, they have great friends, there's. They're happy, you know, I don't want to project my problems with divorce and co parenting and the world onto them because they don't even probably feel the same way, you know, and then all. But all of a sudden you have a doctor saying, so are you upset that you don't live with both your parents? And they go, yeah, like, leading, I.
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B
Mean, leading questions is, is that's the issue.
- [67:58]
A
And I'M sure a great, a great doctor doing the right thing at the right time is probably always better than the alternative. But somebody who, we all know, everybody, everybody mails it in at work one way or the other. That's, that's not no different for doctors who are having a bad day or you're like their 50th client of the day. The amount of when I see that it's like 45 minute sessions and they're booked like every day, all day. I'm like, you're, you know, you're probably carrying over from other sessions and you have your preconceived notions and you catch a weight. You know, you're, you're working with the pharmaceutical industry. They want you to push this medicine. So you do. Like, there's just a lot that I think can go wrong if you don't have a good or seasoned or, you.
- [68:37]
B
Know, especially for kids, like, it's a whole different. Their brains are so elastic. It's like one day they have a bad therapist. It's like, well, now I'm gonna need to talk about this therapy session in therapy in 10 years.
- [68:47]
A
Yup. And like, I think especially coming from divorce, you just feel like it's gonna be a problem and you have to fix it and address it. But then there are times I'm like, I know for a fact I'm like more present than some dads who are.
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B
Yeah.
- [69:04]
A
Married still. And in the, you know what I mean?
- [69:06]
B
It seems like divorce isn't like the end all, be all of like the worst thing that can happen to like.
- [69:10]
A
It'S definitely not even close. I mean, I was watching a clip from. James Sexton is a divorce lawyer who's like doing in the content world now. And he, and he said something the other day like really like resonated with me. He was like, divorce does not cause problems in kids. Conflict causes problems. If you have a problem, if you and your ex wife, ex husband don't get along and you are open about it and do it in front of them and stuff. That's the problem is that divorce very often creates a scenario where those parents don't get along. But it's inherently not the divorce, it's that, it's the fighting and, and they're not getting along, which would have happened if you don't get divorced.
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B
So half my friend's parents are divorced and like that's never their issue.
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A
Like, you know what I mean?
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B
Like any of my friends, did they get divorced young. One of my like close, close friends in college, her parents got divorced right before freshman year. And like, she is. She has, you know, told me about things that, you know, maybe as a child, like, bothered her or whatever. And it's never like, oh, like going to a different house every week. You know what I mean?
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A
Problem?
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B
No. Yeah, that was never a problem. It was usually like, oh, they were fighting about this or money or whatever. Like, it's. It's never so many people's parents are divorced. It's like.
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A
You know what's interesting for me, I don't know if it's because they go to Catholic school or what, but there's very few even in my. In. In their school. And then like, in my personal life, like, I have one other friend who's divorced and gone through something similar at school. Most of the families are together or. Or they were divorced and are remarried and have been remarried for so long that it just feels like that's the family. So it feels like it could be.
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B
A Catholic thing maybe.
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A
Yeah, I mean, I went to. I went to a Jesuit school of Fordham, so I don't know if, like, a lot of my friends feel away about divorce. Like, none of them are, like, hardcore, but that sort of stuff just seeps into your brain, you know, and then Catholic school for them. So when I look around, it's like 56 of people get divorced. I'm like, well, not in my world. Like, I'm like, the only one, you know. And so that. That's another thing where it's like, if you have a. A doctor who's like, divorce is like, totally normal, but it's like, well, not in my world or vice versa. Like, divorce is the worst thing. And it's like all my kids friends are divorced. Like, it's not that big of a deal. So that's where I think the therapy can almost like, create the problem or get them thinking negatively. Like, I had to. You had to really remember. Like, I would feel so much guilt, and I still do to this day if I am not there for, like, forget about, like, the big events. I'm just like, they're. They're doing their homework tonight and I'm not there to help them. I'm not the one putting them to bed every night, like, things like that. And that eats at me because I just know what I feel like my duty is and what. How I was raised and all that stuff. But it really, like, it's not eating at them. Like, they're not even thinking about it.
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B
Probably not.
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A
You know, I FaceTime with them when I'm like, you know, upset or whatever, and they're just like, hey, what's up, dad? How you doing?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I'm like, oh, they're totally fine.
- [72:01]
B
It's not gonna bother them until someone brings it up, thinks it's bothering them, and says something about it. Like, I only. Like, my parents were so much their own people when I was a kid, and I was like, oh, daddy has, like, a concert tonight. Like, this is sick. And, like, I'm. He's not there to put me to bed. And, like, to me, being put to bed wasn't a thing after I was, like, a young child and that.
- [72:20]
A
Yeah, you're kind of an inside person. Yeah. And I. I wonder. I mean, my kids. The only thing that. That's tough with my kids is. And I. I don't even think it's my kids. I think it's like every kid, they just kind of, like, take things for granted in the sense of, like, I. I do go. I really try to go above and beyond and, like, make it to everything. I'm at every practice, I'll pick them up, I'll drive them, I'll. But that becomes, like, the standard for them. You know, they got used to that because I. I've done it for so long, and I like that. I want my kids to be like, yes, my dad is here for me and does all these things with me, and he's never not around and all that. But then that becomes the standard. So if I miss something, it's like. Or, you know, hey, I'm coming to your game, but I got to leave early, and it's like, oh, what the. That. It's like, I'm already moving mountains to make all this.
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B
And that was not the case for me and my brother. Like, we never, like, expected it.
- [73:10]
A
Really. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, maybe that's something I'll have to deal with, like, with specifically my kids.
- [73:15]
B
But I think that's more than norm. All my friends. Parents would be at everything, and mine wouldn't. And there would be times where I'd be like. I'd be like, oh, like, your parents are coming to this. But then there would be other times where their parents wouldn't let them, like, go to a sleepover or whatever, and I'm like, oh, my parents are cool with that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it's not because my parents weren't paying attention. They were. It's just like. I don't know. My parents had priorities that weren't just us, and I liked that.
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A
I. I Yeah, I mean, I, I think, like, I was not raised very, like, strict. We didn't really do a lot of punishments. I count on one hand the amount of times I was like, truly grounded disciplinarian, sort of was like, I don't know. I think we just kind of ended up being like, good kids and it worked out. So I. That was kind of my like, blueprint for parenting. But as much as things worked out, it was like, I don't know, I ended up getting divorced because I was like, in a marriage that I, like, didn't know how to handle properly, you know, and. And like some other issues in my life sometimes that I'm like, well, maybe this happened because of the way I was raised and maybe I should maybe do things differently with my kids. And I don't know. I guess you just never really know until things come to fruition. It's like, oh, it went well or it didn't go well. I should have done things differently or I did things right. It's all. You just don't really know. I mean, the only thing I knew for sure was like, I wanted to. My kids were so young when we went through our problems that I was like, we should, we should split now and let them just be. This is like their whole life, they've never known anything other than that. I, I feel like if we tried to make it work and kind of.
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B
So many people together and then you.
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A
Wait, you know, five, six, seven, 10 years and instead of doing it when they were two, you're doing it when they're 12 and then, then it's a problem, not good. Then that to me was like, that's when your kids will be up from divorce or could be up from the door. So Phoenix is the first drink that combines everything you need into one can. And when I say everything, I mean it. First of all, you got the good flavors. First and foremost, something you actually like to drink, right? Right now, I have the orange. They have a slew of other flavors. Everybody seems to love all of them. Then what else do I mean? First of all, it's only got 10 calories, right. No sugars, only 3 grams of carbs. It's the energy drink that is not going to get you fat and not going to be bad for you. Now what else? Eight essential vitamins for health and immunity. Some with 100 of your daily value, some with 250 of your daily value. Vitamin D, calcium. Vitamin B12, vitamin C, magnesium. All the good stuff in a flavor, in a drink with great flavors. And the energy to get you through the day. No crash, no jitters, none of that. Right now, it's 1:30. As I drink this, I'm about to hit that lull in the afternoon. I had a late night and early morning. I got to keep going. I got to work this evening, so I need a little pick me up. The Phoenix. Oh, the orange is really good. This is my first orange that almost tastes like just straight, like, natural orange juice. And like I said, it's everything you need all in one can with zero sugar. It's built for people like me who's got to keep going. Built for people like you who's got all the responsibilities and don't want to stop. And you need that extra boost. So right now, go to drink phx.com use promo code Barstool5 for $5 off your order. I recommend getting the Phoenix orange, but get them delivered right to you. And $5 off your order by going to drinkphx.com and using promo code BARSTOOL5. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's all like, I, I, I all together at the same time, sympathize with Aisha Curry. And also, I'm kind of like, please. You know, like, and it's always easy to just say that about people who have money and status.
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B
And I know, I feel kind of.
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A
Bad, you know, like, but there is some truth to it. Or at the very least, you have to look at your own behavior and say, all right, these people are taking things out of context or projecting or are just flat out wrong, whatever. But I'm clearly talking about this often enough.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And on certain platforms where it's feeding this narrative, it's giving them ammo. So it's not necessarily your fault, but you have to take responsibility for, like, this has all now become a thing where people say that my husband is being disrespected by me. You should probably change course or you need or, or maybe there's some real there. And you're like, yeah, I'm doing it on purpose because we're not happy or whatever. But you can't just be like, why? Why this? Why is this happening? It's like it's happening for a reason. Whether it's fair or not, this is the world we live in, and you got to act accordingly.
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B
Do you think you should get divorced if you're paying your husband $600,000 not to cocaine?
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A
So, yeah. Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban got divorced after 19 years, and part of their prenup was what they're calling the Cocaine Clause for Keith Urban. Every year that they were together, still married and he remained sober, he would get $600,000 a year in the event of their split. So 19 years together, that's an 11.4 million dollar payday for, for the boy Keith Urban. For, you know, putting in almost two decades of work with, with Nicole and putting in two decades of work staying clean. I don't know if it was specifically like cocaine, you know, what, what drug or substance was like his issue. He was, he's always been pretty open about it. I don't know if it was actually cocaine. But I'll tell you this much. The cocaine clause, that's bars. That should be like the name of an album. That should be like Pusha T's next album, the Cocaine Clause. It's like, it's like the Santa Claus but for drug dealers like you could. There's cocaine clause is fire. That, that is so interesting to me because it really for me crystallized how much sometimes celebrity marriages are like a business. Not to say that they're not in love and there's not romance, but when there's that much money and careers of mult both people being stars on the line where you can't treat your marriage just like a happy emotional thing that like is a blessing in your life. And it's like, okay, it is all that, but now we have to go to work and do business and have a. Not just have a prenup, but have like a detailed prenup about each other's like shortcomings or problems. Like in one way, I think it's like the least romantic thing of all time because you're just like turning your life and your problems and your relationship into like a business piece of paper. And then on the other side, I'm like, I don't know, it's kind of romantic that she. That it was like, I want to be with you and I want you to be healthy. And like, let's incentivize you. Let's make that a part of our like agreement here. It's not out of sight out. I think so often with those situations, substance abuse, addiction, just like hidden, hidden stuff that is kind of a negative in your relationship. Like it. People do don't ask, don't tell and they keep it out of sight, out of mind and they know what's going on, but they don't want to like rock the boat. This is like the other extreme of that where it's like, we know what's happening. Let's put it on paper. Let's put it all in the line. Here's how you have to act. You know, it's, it's interesting. It's, it's not the most like romantic thing, but it's, it's smart. I mean, prenups in general, I think prenups. I've said this before. Prenup should be absolutely standard. The same way that you gotta like go to a courthouse and sign the paperwork. Another piece of paperwork should also be, you know, you. So you sign the paperwork for the courthouse, you have to declare your taxes together, you have to be on the, both on like the deed for your house. All of these things that are paperwork and legally binding and yada yada, yada. But this other one piece of paper that like is in event of emergency we frown upon, is shunned, we think is, you know, like classless and trashy. And it's like, why not just know that in the event something goes wrong, we're good. If anything, that should give you more peace of mind and like, and whether you're rich or poor, have a job, don't have a job, whatever, like just put it in writing because everything else is in writing. You're. If you're going to involve the government in your relationship, you might as well protect yourself against them and have some clauses against it. So I think, I think they should be absolutely standard. Where it gets interesting is clauses like this, like you have to behave a certain way, look a certain way. Obviously something like don't do drugs, that's a positive. But you know, there are people who like, you have to maintain a certain appearance or you have to have sex in this way or that way. And like things you could get really nitty gritty details on, on, on prenups that are a little bit much where it's like, okay, now you're just like molding this person and like legally demanding they, they behave in a certain way.
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B
The craziest part about the Nicole Kidman one to me is not. Is the fact that instead of she's paying him $600,000 for every year. Don't you think it would be he would have to give her 600,000 if he did the coke. Like it's weird to me that she's paying, not that he's giving it up. It's like her lawyer.
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A
Like that is a classic example of like the, the positive reinforcement versus negative reinforcements. Like what works better with people incentivizing them.
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B
Cuz what's $600,000 for not doing Something.
- [82:26]
A
Like to me, I think I. But I do, I. I think that can kind of go both ways. I think that's a personal thing. Like there are people who respond to positivity and there are people with praise kinks. You got a little praise kink, you want to get paid. You want a little good, good girl, good boy, pat on the back for doing something. And then there are people who are like, you're never going to do XYZ unless I threaten you.
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B
He just has a praise kick and that's the whole thing. He doesn't even do cocaine.
- [82:52]
A
He just wants the.
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B
As an insane.
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A
But all of that like. So I do think that is like a personal preference if you will or a case by case basis. I think when you talk about like alcoholism, drug addiction, abuse, substance abuse, like I don't know. I think that I, I would like to think and I would venture to guess that Keith Urban stayed sober and married to her because he like wanted to be healthy and clean and happy. I hope, I think that Keith Urban is a superstar in his own right. Very wealthy in his own right. Eleven and a half million dollars is $600,000 a year. Is that like eleven and a half million dollars? Nice chunk of money. It still probably isn't that much to Keith Urban but if you get it up front, like bam. That's a chunk of cash that anybody can use. Or like 600k a year like in. When you think about in that terms for that guy, a, that already is not that much. I think that's hard for like regular people to wrap their head around. When you're talking about Nicole Kidman wealth, she was probably like 600 grand a year, like yeah, whatever. And Keith Urban was probably like yeah, sure, let's do it. But like I don't really care one way or the other. I'm going to stay sober because I want to stay sober.
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B
So I don't know, I feel like it had to be an issue if they're writing it in. I feel like.
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A
But I, I don't think that money influen. I don't think the money changed thing. One thing, anything, one way or the other. I think it was like. Cuz my point being that if you're like truly addicted, I think that could have been like $60 million a year. And in the moment there's drugs on the table or you're having a moment of weakness, like you're just like it. I just won't take that.
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B
He's not a real coke guy.
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That's where I wonder if. If it was the other way, if I had to give you money and you're looking at your own wallet. Like, to me, that's almost like, hey, you get this lottery ticket if you don't do drugs. It's very different than if you do those drugs. You have to pay me money, you know, because people could be like, all right, I just don't want the lottery ticket versus that. You know, you got a 600 grand out of your pocket. Again, I. But I don't think that that sum of money for either of those people is enough to really influence their behaviors one way or the other. I think that was probably an added little thing at the end. But it was like, why? I don't. I don't think he ever been. Every night was like, oh, my God, I want to do drugs. I can't wait to do drugs. I'm gonna get this divorce so I can go do drugs to get out of this clause. I'm gonna get my money and run. I think that's not enough for him to really alter his behavior one way or the other. Maybe it is, but I. I could imagine that being way more of like, there's an extra little formality, but if you really want to stay sober or beat addiction, I don't think those sort of motivators work because at the end of the day, it has to be like, you can have somebody watch you control your money, never let you out of the house, and you can be sober because of that. But like, the minute you're given your freedom, if you run back to it. So that's sort of the same thing. Is like, that 600 grand maybe motivates you, but is it going to motivate me every day for like years on end? I think that has to come from, like an internal place. Now, there might be this extra bonus of money, but I don't know how much that really is the reason why he was sober for the last 19 years, you know, And I don't think it's the reason why they're breaking up, but you can buy a lot of.
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B
Coke with 600 grand.
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Imagine that. Imagine if it was just that was the only thing keeping Keith Urban on the tracks. And now he's just like, I'm having an eleven and a half million dollar coke party. Let's go.
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B
Say this about addiction, Like, I don't know. I think if I was addicted to someone, someone offered me 600 not to do it, I'd be like, give me the money.
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A
Yeah. I mean, you say that. And. And I think most people would agree with that. And. And in a lot of spots like that, that's up to. To make a difference for. Especially for an average person. But I. I think depending on, you know, how deep you're in, like, in the throes of addiction, I don't think there are. There's anything. I mean, there. Because think about. There are people who, like, lose their kids and their family.
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B
I was gonna say, like, jokes aside, it seems like money and addiction are like, losing money and a dick. Like, I don't know. It's. Yeah, it seems like they're so intertwined. It doesn't.
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A
And having money, you know, having money to fuel your addiction, living a lifestyle that affords you that money is also usually tied into performing, late nights, early mornings, travel, all that sort of stuff. So, you know, it's. It all is tied together. But again, I think, you know, there are. When you see someone who's at, like, rock bottom and still using, you can tell that it's not about.
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B
Yeah.
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A
A prize, a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for behaving one way or the other. It's like it just consumes. You know, it's a disease that completely consumes you. And everybody kind of goes through their own version of it. Like, there's different types of addiction and different types of struggles. But. But if. If there are people who are willing to, like, I lost my career, I lost my family, I've lost my home, I'm losing my teeth. I'm, like, literally dying, and I'm still doing this. I don't know if 600 grand, you know, can. Can change that. Maybe would be nice to try. If everyone. If everyone could. If there was a financial incentive for everyone to get off drugs, maybe. Maybe it would help things. But. But it. I. I think these are often things, too, that regular people just can't wrap their minds around. Some of the money, some of the. When it comes to prenups, contracts, NDAs, salaries, child support numbers, some of the. Some of the finances, and some of the differences in behavior of poor and rich or famous and not famous and all that, it makes it almost impossible to, like, really have a. An opinion or a discussion about it, because you just, like, can't. You just can't get it. You can't even understand that to someone like, 600 grand for Nicole Kimmin is nothing.
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B
Yeah. I can't fathom it.
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A
What. So it's like, save your opinions because, you know, you. You have not walked a mile in these people's shoes. But yeah, it's that, that one. She was married to Tom Cruise, now married to Keith Urban. I wonder, I mean, like, JLo's done it like five times.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I wonder, at what point do you kind of pull the plug? Do they have kids together? Nicole?
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B
I don't. I, I was trying to ask that. You do wonder, like, if they have this cocaine clause, like, what was the straw that broke the camel's back? Like, if, if you're like doing these lengths to like state, like, why do you think they got divorced? Does anyone even know that?
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I don't know. I don't think that necessarily, those necessarily correlate. I think that's like when we got married, you know, I was like a raging party man. And like, so we needed to keep some safeguards in place. And then hopefully you hope that like he, he stayed sober and they had some good years and then you have some bad years where you grow apart. And I don't think necessarily, I don't, I think all the talk is about this cocaine clause. As far as I know. I don't think it was like he violated that. And that's the problem.
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B
Oh yeah. She has two daughters and I saw this because with him, like. Yeah, and she had her like revenge fit with like, with them. They did these like photos, but they all looked like savage or whatever.
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A
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B
Oh yeah.
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A
Posted on Instagram saying stop sending me AI videos of my dad. He would not want it. I don't want it. And stop saying that. AI is just like the future and it's a tool. It's like, you know, the end of society as we know. It's. I can see a world where I think as long as it was like respectful. I don't know exactly what the videos of Robin Williams were like. If my, if I, if my dad was dead and people were sending me AI videos that looked like hyper real of him doing like some foul. I wouldn't like that. I think I would actually like if it was like kind of funny or like silly.
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B
What?
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A
Yeah, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. I think, like, if it was done, I actually don't understand why anybody has a problem with that. But if it was just like, here's.
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B
Because it clouds the real memories you have with them. That's why I would think if that.
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A
I mean, if you. If you are like, now I can't discern between the real.
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B
No. I would be so disturbed if my dad died and someone. Oh, my God, I would be disgusting.
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A
I mean, if your dad's famous, like, that's. I don't know. I. I think that's almost. It's just like the same thing in line with like, tabloids talking and like, people being invasive like that. That. That to me is the. The issue. Not like the latest way that they are violating, you know, like, fame and being in the public eye is a violation. Just off the, off the rip, you know. But yeah, I would have no problem with like, look at this funny. Like, there's a bunch. SORA too just came out and they. The. The videos you can make now are just like, like, so, so far advanced. And like, I've been watching MLK being a WWF wrestler. It's amazing.
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B
Have you seen the. The Logan Paul or the Jake Paul doing his makeup ones?
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A
I saw, like, there was Jake Paul video. I didn't watch or hear what it was.
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B
I don't know why. It's like a niche. Like, AI video right now. That's. Is it Jake or Logan? It's Jake where he, like, does his makeup and then he like, comes out in, like, all. He'll be like, 1, 2, 3. I'm gay. And it's like. And it's the realest. I was got by one of them.
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A
Yeah, they're getting to the point, like, you know, silly ones like, MLK being a wrestler is like, fake for obvious reasons. I watched one. George Washington hit a home run for the Mets to beat the Yankees in the World Series. I get a kick out of those. I don't think those are the end of the world as we know it.
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B
Those aren't.
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A
I. I think when you start to use, you know, people's likeness and they are saying and doing things that, like, could be true, that's where things get dicey that I have a bigger problem with than, like, you're disrespecting the dead by, like, making, you know, I'm not sure. Again, I don't know what video she's talking about, but if there was like a clip of like, Robin Williams doing Stand up, that Wasn't real. I don't. I would not go out of my way to send it to someone. I think that's crazy being like, check out this video. Your dad. I just. If somebody did do it to me, that wouldn't really affect me. If it was like, look at your dad, you know, like, killing someone or like, being. Doing something immoral, I'd be like, that's up. I don't think any of it would really, like, weigh on me tremendously, but the AI is just getting too good in that sense. Like, I really don't know what. How we go forward with this. It's just my world of like, doing content. Like, even just little things. Like, I saw a video. It was just like a funny, like, dog and cat video. It was like this dog did something silly. The cat was like, jumping around the room. Things that are, like, entirely possible, you know, when you see something that's like, defying the laws of physics, you're like, okay, that's a AI video. But when it's just like, here's a cute pet video. Like, I don't even know why someone made that. Just go find a real cute pet video. They're all over the place. But when it's reaching a point where it is, it's really pretty indis. Indiscernible, like, and just undistinguishable. Like, you can always catch, like, a extra pinky. Their mouth always seems to move weird. There's like a smoothness to it that looks a little weird where if you really have an eye for it or you're like, like, if I wasn't working in this industry, I think I'd just be like, I don't know, is that real or fake? I don't really care and entertain me for two seconds. But I'm like, do I need. If I'm gonna post about it or discuss it, I don't want to look like an idiot. I don't want to put out things that are fake, all that. So, like, I don't know how much that is a real problem for just, like, the regular people of the world. But in terms of, like, reporting on things, discussing things, viral videos, spreading stuff, it's almost getting weird where it's like, what's even the point of making an AI video that is very believable and realistic? Because then it's just like, now you're just making, like, a pretty plain video. Like, it's one thing where, I mean.
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B
I think it's solely so that person can make money from the video. Going by like, I, I think it's like completely self serving whoever makes it.
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A
Yeah, yeah. And I mean I'm. But I just don't think you can really make money off of like one viral video. You know, like, if you make a fake Jake Paul video and you get a bunch of views, what does that do for you?
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B
I think those accounts, like people get paid on Tick Tock for, for, you know, views and stuff. And it's like if your account is just like videos that people find funny and they're all AI, you can make way more money on the Tick Tock than I think people think. From less views than people think.
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A
I guess so. Yeah. I mean there's always, it always comes back to business and money. I just wonder like, you know, there, there's for sure a world where if you are like a master of AI and you have dozens of accounts and you're, you know, making these videos and collecting the views, going viral, like. Yeah, for sure. But I just wonder. I'm just like, I think it's more people just being like, weird. Like there's a new tool that I like. I like that world and I'm gonna make like a wacky version of something. Like there's one I saw when it was when the Mets were trying to make the playoffs, Juan Soto struck out and that, that part of the video is real. And then he breaks down and starts crying and like throws his bat and it's like, that's clearly not real. That did not happen. But it's funny to like imagine. I'm like, like this is what it would look like if Juan Soto like cried on the field. But when it's just like if you were to make a video that's like Juan Soto struck out and like threw his helmet like a little bit angry. Something that could very well happen in real life and also if it did, is not that big of a deal. I'm like, why even. Yeah, like Steve Irwin jumping off the top rope, dropping an elbow on a stingray. We know that's not real. I think that's funny. Yeah, I don't think that's like contributing to the downfall of America.
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B
No, I think those are funny, but I don't think those are funny enough to outweigh like, like the bad things. Yeah, and I know, I know you don't really, like, I don't really think you're a proponent that there are like, you don't really.
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A
Yeah, I think, I think this happens with every single technology ever.
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B
I know, but I just.
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One is Like, a little heightened. But, like, when people are like, you know, society is never going to be able to get through this. Like, they said it about the television, they say it about the Internet in general. Like, the world just keeps on spinning and you have a new wrinkle of, like, now it's. It's going to get weird where in terms of, like, proof of things or, you know, like, that's why it's bad. Yeah, totally. Totally. I just, like, when that stuff starts, that's a problem, I think. And right now, I know a lot of people are saying, like, this, it's a slippery slope, and that's what they're worried about. I just don't think that what is currently out there right now is. Is that, like, heinous? I think it's when you make a video, it's like, look at this guy, like, stumbling around drunk, and he got in his car and drove away drunk. That's something that, like, is not so crazy that you would. You would doubt it on video. You know what I mean? It's like, look at this guy pull out a gun and shoot someone. It's like, well, there's. Look around the news. There's no murder, there's no charge. That didn't happen. Yeah, but if it was like, look at kfc. Stumbled out of the bar in Columbus the other night and was drunk driving and, like, swerved and almost hit someone. So there's no record, there's no arrest, there's nothing to prove or disprove it. And it just looks like you did something that's really up, that is. Is gonna get ugly.
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And I feel like it's like just.
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On the flip side of being like, you do do some fucked up and.
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B
Then saying it's AI.
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A
So, you know.
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B
Yeah, I feel like it's like a heightened version of the thing that I keep thinking about. Like, even that Juan Zodo video is like, people scroll through and look at something for two seconds, and then even if they don't really think about it, it like. And it doesn't, like, actively register to them. It's like, oh, you see that video a week later, you're like, oh, like, to someone who doesn't know who wants OTOs or like, baseball or whatever and is like, yeah, that dude's like, does whack. Like, he did this. And then that person says it.
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But that's like, same thing with like.
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B
I know, but it's worse. It's. It's way worse to say, oh, I saw a headline then. Or it's way worse to say, oh, I saw him do it than I saw a headline.
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A
I guess so. I don't know. It's like we've seen the damage that like social media and headlines have done.
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B
And it's pretty bad.
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A
Keep going.
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B
I know the world's going to keep going no matter how. Patrick.
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A
That's what I mean, though. It's like. But that's not, you know, it's. It's not. I think that every thing that is ever developed, created, invented pivots and changes in society. People are like, used to the world one way and are convinced it's going to like, end the world as we know it. And, you know, we've been doing it with like Photoshops and then deep fakes and, you know, and now it's, it's. I understand that by getting like, perfected, it only gets worse, but I just, I don't think it's the end of art. I don't think it's the end of music. I don't think it's the end all that.
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B
I'm not saying it's. I'm not sitting here saying it's the end of the world. I just feel like, like social media, like, was bad for people and like this will. Like, I think it was bad for people. Like it did harm and I think everything's done harm. No, I know. I'm. That's all I'm saying. I don't think AI is just like. I think there are some people who think it's like just, you know, the best thing ever in a tool. Which is what people also say about social media, which is like, not true because.
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A
Yeah, but I also, I don't think, I don't think people talk about the good of AI. I think you only hear about the bad of AI And I think that like, technological advances make opportunities for people that like, you know, could have never existed.
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B
Yeah, I think I feel differently about it also because I was in college for the last two years of it and seeing like, what it did to people in college was like, kind of disturbing. Like, I mean, people losing like the abil. Any ability to like, figure stuff out, think for themselves. And I know that's like such like a nerd, whatever, but like.
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A
But I also think that, you know, people said about calculators and gps.
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B
No, but I, I don't know how.
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A
To get around anywhere.
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B
I just put it in gps, but it's different.
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A
There's part of me that's like, oh.
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B
I wish I knew.
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A
Had a good Sense of direction and, like, knew where I was going. But also, I don't know. I just don't anymore. And I put it in the gps.
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B
I know, but AI is, like, unique in that it generate, like, it gives people, like, opinions. Like, it tells people what to think. And I know everything's, like, done that before, but in college it was, like, weird. And I think that's the difference between anyone who wasn't in college for it and people who were, like, people who were in college during it are the ones saying, like, this is kind of.
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A
Like, weird because you weren't, like, doing your own work.
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B
I mean, like, using AI for school.
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A
Or just, like, being that, like, age, like a molding age where there's fake.
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B
Out there that, like, using it for work, but then that, like, trickling into, like, people's opinions about, like, just people would be like, oh, what? Help me write this paper about, blah, blah, blah. Which is. That's like, all right, maybe you didn't need to write that paper. I think there's value in writing papers, but that's besides the point. It's like, you have it do that. Oh, and then you ask it, like, what do you. What do you think about it? And then people take what it says, and, like, then it's their opinion, and they go around, like, using as their opinion. And it's not right all that often.
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A
No, it's that. And that's what I also think is so funny. It's like, when people like, this is gonna, you know, the overlord is gonna, like, you know, end the human race as we know it. And it's like, I ask it basic questions, and it gets it wrong all the time.
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B
I know. I think it's gonna fit.
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A
I don't think it's where people think where it's at.
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B
I know, but people are so dumb. They're like, oh, this. That's correct.
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A
But that's that the pro. Like, but people are the case.
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B
People.
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A
I'm sure people said that about every type of technological advancement that, like, brought. That minimized things and brought it into your world, in front. In your home, in front of your eyes. It's like, yeah, you do have to. It's all just harder and more of it. But you do have to, like, be able to discern for yourself at some point. And I. I don't know. I. I guess I just think about, like, the. For every, like, job that it maybe eliminates, it just opens up doors and, you know, creates advancements in, like, science and technology that are, you know, A good thing. But I think it's. I think it's just easier for a regular person to see the negative right now, where it's just like, that's a fake video that's up. That's like, you know, slandering someone. Whereas it's like, well, I don't know. These chips and these advancements are working wonders for the environment and the future and energy sources and like all this. That. It's like, I. I have no idea. But I think, I think AI has a PR problem.
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B
Yeah, it does.
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A
Yeah. They don't. They don't do a good job of like, like the people who are like the Peter Thiel's of the world, Sam Altman's of the world, make it seem like, like. Yep, we're just trying to like, implant that in your brain and control you. And maybe they are. And they're super villains and that's why it has bad pr. But you almost need somebody to be like.
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B
I mean, I think there's also, like.
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A
Presenting it in a less scary way.
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B
I think there's also like an inherent, like, psycholog, like the Uncanny Valley thing. Like, there's a psychological reason people don't like it. Like, our brains are literally wired to not like something like that. I'm kind of like, if, like biologically we shouldn't like this, maybe we should.
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A
Maybe that's good.
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B
Like, maybe we should be a little bit scared.
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A
I do think that there's gonna be like, biologically, mentally, emotionally, for, like, people lived through it. You probably will probably never be at peace with it because it's just like, so foreign and weird to us. I feel like once you grow up with it, for better or worse, it'll be like, embedded in your life. But I don't think it'll be. I wonder if that uncanny value. Value thing starts to go away because it's just like they're used to it. You know what I mean?
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B
They've seen.
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A
They've seen every variation of it. They know what's real, what's not real, or what makes them uncomfortable. It doesn't. Whereas we. It's such a before and after. Like, we lived without this thing and now we live with it and we can feel and know the differences, whereas.
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B
I know, but I don't you think we probably should just. As humans, we probably should feel that. We should probably should feel weirded out by like, something that's trying to be like, human. I don't know. I took a. I took a whole class about it, like two years ago because I was a psychology major and I took a class called Cyber Psychology and it was like all about AI and we learned about like all the things, the bad things, which is kind of why I'm like, freaked out by it. And even two years ago, it was so much less advanced and they. We would talk about in class being like, oh, in 10 years it's going to be able to do this. And that was two years ago. And now it's doing the things that we were taught it would be able to do in 10 years. And it's already doing two years.
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A
Yeah, I mean, the, the, the, the, the. It's got a, the exponential like progress of. It's gonna be crazy. I think that the uncanny Valley thing, I feel like, is probably. I guess there's just like an inherent feeling of like that thing is trying to trick you or it's foreign and.
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B
We don't like a defense mechanism like in our brains.
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A
Yeah, it's just like a. I don't know what that is. And so there's a chance it could cause me harm. So I don't like it. But I wonder if, you know, you do. If you just grow up with like, robots and your life is like the Jetsons, like, maybe you wouldn't feel that way, but someone who lived without them and then lives with them or like that thing. Whereas the next guy might just be like, yeah, we have like a robot butler. What are you guys talking about? No big deal.
- [107:30]
B
But no, I just feel like there's a difference between like a robot. Like robots don't freak people out, you know, like Wally or.
- [107:35]
A
Well, when I say robot, I just mean like, yeah, if you had like a, an assistant, a maid, a nanny or whatever, that was like a humanoid type thing.
- [107:43]
B
Yeah.
- [107:43]
A
I mean, yeah, this is like the premise of every like, you know, sci fi movie where the end of the world comes. But I also think that that's probably Hollywood and crazy and, and like the extreme version of it and the, the more reasonable reality is like, we are implementing these crazy advancements and these weird things and you just.
- [108:01]
B
Have you seen friend do it? You know what that is?
- [108:03]
A
No.
- [108:03]
B
Giving like free ad right now to something I hate. And it's the, it's the biggest subway campaign, like, ever. Everyone's talking about it. It's this. It's a Subway ad that just says friend and it's just like whatever white billboard thing and then it's just a necklace and it's basically an AI friend. And the advertising for. When you go to the website, it's like friend.com. and it's like a girl at a museum walking around. And it's like, imitate, like, says words that it would be saying. And it's like, oh, they're in a museum. And it's like, oh, we should. We need to get home soon to watch Love Island. And it's like advertising. It's like, oh, this thing will watch TV with you. This will do this with you. And it's just like, like what? Like every movie, guys, like, I feel like we're in a horror movie and everyone's watching. Like, yeah, isn't that crazy?
- [108:47]
A
And it's like, I think so, but I, I, again, I just think it's more likely that, like, that becomes the norm. I think eventually you probably reach a point where, like, you know, we, we peek out. Like, we hit a. We hit like a. Can't go any further. But I don't know, I just think it's more likely that the extreme, like robots take over humans and we are now enslaved to computers is probably the extreme.
- [109:13]
B
Yeah.
- [109:13]
A
And the other extreme is like, get rid of all this and let's just, like, go back to simpler times where, yeah, wouldn't it be great if we all just, like, lived out in the sun and didn't have computers and wrote books and talked, blah, blah. And it's probably somewhere in the middle where it's just like, there's gonna be weird, you know, futuristic life that some of it's good, some of it's bad, and, yeah, everything keeps going. I think the. As is with anything in life, the ultimate extremes are probably unlikely and not.
- [109:43]
B
I just wonder if we're moving the extreme post because I feel like 20 years ago the extreme would have been, your only friend is a computer. And now that's not the extreme anymore. And that's like, oh, that should probably be extreme.
- [109:54]
A
Yeah. I mean, listen, I understand the, the negative. There's actually parts of it that I really don't like myself either as much as I do think it's good and can be used for good. I totally understand the negative sides of it and definitely think there's parts of it that, like, I don't think is good for me, my kids, and all that. But the bigger point is, like, it's just not gonna change. So figuring out how to coexist with it or, like, live without freaking out about it is probably a better use of time than. Or better way to move forward than to just be like, I mean, what are you gonna do? He's gonna, like, protest against it until you're fucking dead. Anyway, I'll probably be replaced with an AI host at some point anyway. So there's that. There's that podcasting company that has, like, 5,000 fake AI podcasts. I don't know. Go listen to one of them if you don't agree with me. We'll see you guys next week. Fidalberg will be back, Jackie will be back. We'll get the whole gang in town. But thanks for kicking it for me this week, solo.