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Hey, KFC Radio listeners. You can find every episode of KFC Radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.
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Folks, it's the foreplay.
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Guys. Let's talk Truly Unruly.
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When you spend every day following the countless laws of golf like us, it's refreshing to get a little unruly. Whether that means using the old hand wedge to escape the bunker, or just cracking open a hard seltzer that breaks all the rules, few things feel better.
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Truly Unruly is the first high alk.
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Seltzer that actually tastes good. It's hard hitting, but still light and refreshing, making it perfect for everything from the front nine to the clubhouse. Find it near you at trulyhardceltzer.com locations. That's trulyhardselter.com locations. Hard Seltzer Beverage Company, Boston, Massachusetts. Please drink responsibly. Get the crew together and head off to the course in the new 2024 Chevy Traverse. With impressive cargo room, three room seating, and the first ever Z71 trim Traverse can handle your buddies and their golf bags with ease. Chevrolet together.
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Let's drive.
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That's one of my favorite stories ever.
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C
Hey, hey, don't be so precious with Hotel California, huh?
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A
Right? Yeah. So wait, what happened with that? You broke your back, right? Or something like that.
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C
So like six slip discs in my back, two brain hemorrhages all just like.
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You were dead, right?
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C
Dude, like they said, I had a 10 chance of walking.
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Holy shit.
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C
So it's like base, basically. Like a bunch of us were like out in Ann Arbor for Michigan State. Michigan. And like two of our buddies, like, it was early, like we hadn't even started drinking yet. And two of our buddies, like, did late night dips and like someone was throwing a football and I slid like 6ft on their wet towels, went like straight up in the air, kind of gainer gate and came down in the deep end and cracked my head. They said if I had blacked out, I would never have walked again.
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Really?
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So the fact that I kept just like swimming to like the side of the pool, I didn't even know. And then I saw like, I was like, well, I did black out. But they were like, but that could also been the blood in your eyes because my head, like 37 staples, not stitches.
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Jesus.
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So like I sent a picture to my brother and he was like, dude, that looks like some stranger things. It was like, you need to get that, like, looked at. And then so like we had like a lawsuit because, like the, the like urgent Care place, like, didn't give me, like, a no fly thing. You're not supposed to fly with.
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Yeah.
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One brain hemorrhage.
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Two.
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So I'm like, oh.
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I'm like. I'm, like, back in New York, and I'm like, I'm not, like, feeling the best to my wife, and she's like. She. We're like, icy hotting my shoulder.
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Dude.
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It's, like, literally abandoned on a gun shop. It was chaos.
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And, like. And, like, there they, like, she, like, she was at a shoot in, like, Jersey City for, like, whatever she was doing. Like, she was doing, like, a Mew Mew shoot. She's like, it's really not good that I have to leave right now. And the doctor goes, well, your husband's about to be paralyzed from life, so.
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I think you gotta leave.
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And she was like, okay, all my way. And then we got there, and, like, they just put the whole strap on the neck. And I was like, oh, boy. I was like, this is gonna be a great month. And then I heard how bad it was, and I was like, oh, my life.
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That's crazy to go through, like, a. You know, a life. Potentially life ending event. But because it's such a casual. You weren't in, like, a car wreck. It wasn't like, a plane crash. It wasn't making headlines. It was just like, bro, fell, almost died.
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Like, what happened?
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C
I mean, like, yeah, right.
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So that everybody's done in their life, except they stubbed their toe.
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Mad funny because, like, my manager the other day was like, well, like, I don't know, dude. Like, did we tell the truth? And I'm like, dude, it was like, an accident.
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Yeah.
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It's not like I did, like, a cannonball into an empty pool.
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Yeah, you're not, like, drunk driving or doing anything wrong.
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That big of an idiot. But he was like, all right, I think we. And I was like. He, like, sent me a reel that someone did, and I was like, it's great, but it's like, I'm not gonna repost this guy. It's like, kind of wicked bad car accident. It's like, it wasn't a car accident.
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Yeah, that's crazy. You get caught lying about that, then, like, your career's done well, then you're like a weird griffin.
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You're gonna cap about, like, what act? Yeah. If. If you're gonna, like, cap about what actually happened to you, then it's like, yeah, it's. It's insane because it's like, dude, it's like. It's it's not like I did some wild right, tried to do a gainer, and then hit my head on the side like an idiot. Like, it was just like, I went to go, like, catch a football. I slipped, and it was like, holy. And then, like, everyone thought it was, like, fun. And then once I got out of the pool, the blood starts going. Obviously, the dude that took me in the urgent care stopped to get a couple jewels on the way. You knew it was gonna be a long night.
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We gotta load up.
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C
But, like, I mean, I'll. I'll give you all, like, the hilarious. Like, we stopped to get, like, jewels, like, like, right before mango pods got pulled. So, like, the east coast has been drained of mangoes.
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We were like, we gotta get the Holy Grail.
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Yeah.
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You come up with business plans in a shell parking lot. We buy all of them.
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We can sell them for an extra.
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Dollar, sell them for double back.
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It's like, hey, guys, we got. We got a two brain hemorrhages, a split open head, a bunch of mango gates, and some combos. And the doctor, like, did not think it was funny at all as he's.
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Like, you're going to die.
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He's like, stapling my head shut, and he's like, do you need any numbing agents? I'm like, bro, this is way too late.
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Were you in a lot of pain? Like, so it was discs in the head.
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C
It was, like. It was wild because, like, at first, it just felt like I kind of, like, woke up with, like, a crick in my neck. And then as the day progressed, like, I also have, like, this.
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We.
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There was, like, a weird beef between, like, one of the frats and me, and I was out the night before, definitely doing some I shouldn't have been doing, but, like, I got, like, a laundry list of DMS that were like, don't. Don't. Don't you dare pull up to, like, this place. Oh, bro, if I didn't break my neck, I'd be up in there buying bottles. Let's go, fam. Are y' all at, like. People were like, it would not be good for you. And then, like, I just. It, like, started to just get progressively worse, so I just, like. I just, like, booked a PJ and flew myself.
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Wow.
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As far as people who have odd beefs with frats, I bet you guys, you got to be number one in the world, bro.
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It's like. But it's. It's like, the weirdest part is it's, like, most of them, like, straight up, like, you know. Cool. There's never been a frat we've played though where there's not a problem with like, there's one brother in the corner.
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Always with this dude. That's just life, bro.
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A
Yeah, I could imagine. Especially like in your. In that, that era where you were still a young kid too. It's like that's, that's frat on frat crime.
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It was, it was, it was also like we. We never rolled around with security, so we were never like. We were never like really well covered. But it's like, dude, if you. These. What are these dudes going to do? It's like, are you. Are you mad that you just gave me 30 bands or are you mad I could have piped your right prob.
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Probably.
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Probably one of those.
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I mean, I always. I did. I think that's why the barstool, like relationship worked out too is I felt like you were kind of the music version. Yeah. Like we didn't have security. We. We just roll wherever, do whatever, meet the people, be with the people. In. In, you know, on stage in the M. Palooza.
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Worked is cuz we actually all popped out to it. It's like now when there's like, like, come meet the person. It's like, dude, have you ever seen a Chris Brown, like meet and greet? Like the, the first one I ever saw. This dude's like, you know, it's like you barely get to touch him. And like now Demi Lovato and people are doing virtual.
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That's great.
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And greets.
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It's like, bro, you can just get in front of a green screen, do yourself like paying them. But it was like. It was, it was.
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Yeah. Chris Brown's making, making waves. He's doing like a. It's a thousand bucks a picture or some now.
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C
Yeah, now you're like a laptop. It's like one of those like Marina Abramovich things like do whatever you want to me. Weird. Dude, wait.
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I actually would. I'd do that. I'd be like, thousand bucks. You can do whatever you want.
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Just to see what they come up with.
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Is this like an installation? It's like such a weird.
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Yeah, yeah. I actually. Yeah, I would do that as like an art project because I'm tired because it was.
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It was going. It was going viral for like. Like chicks would come and like literally take off like their yoga pants and like it would look like he was giving him back shots.
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Right.
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And it's like it went viral because all the boyfriends were like, so wifey said she's about to just go get a picture with this bro. Like, it looks like he's clapping her.
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No, but I mean, you know, I mean, he's ultra wealthy, so I don't even know why he's really even doing it for the money or if he's doing for the money at this point. But you do a mean green of 100 people. You've got 100 grand, like, but you're just around with them and taking stupid pictures.
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Like, a lot of those dudes are in like, like, deep, like, way deeper deals than anyone could imagine.
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Right, right, right.
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That's why I thought, like, Bieber kind of cooked on his last album because he let every. He's like, you know, was posting videos at EDM shows. I don't know if he was acting cooked. I know. Like, I know Bieber's person. Like, he's good at everything. He's one of those annoying, right? That's like, good at basketball somehow. Good at tennis, like, great at golf. It's like, what the, dude? These are like the sports where you're.
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Like, I should have done.
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Done more to. To be better at this. And it's like.
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But he just picks it up and goes.
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He just picks it up and goes. And it's like that I feel. I feel like this album was like a good, like, mix of things he wanted to do. Cuz everything else sounded like Scooter and.
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Some more R B.
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Like, that's what they want to do, though. They were after Boston's boy. They were trying to make me like the six member of One Direction, dude.
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I'm like, I can imagine that.
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I'm like, I punch dudes in the face. You don't want me on tour with these gu. You'll get. You'll get. You'll get, like, fully banned from places. And it's usually not even me. It's like, it's like the squad just deals with how we deal with.
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Right, Right.
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But like, Ronan, Jetsy were asking about, like, the jet, like, jet on the Mac Miller, like, thing was like, trying to try to get tourist stories out of me. I'm like, dog.
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Those stories are gone.
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Those are done.
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Never happened.
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Those things are deleted from the cloud.
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Man.
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There is. There is no evidence.
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Yeah, that era of. That was an era, bro. That was an era that was like.
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Before you could literally be put on every social media thing or it's like, it's before, like, like you can check and it's like, oh, so, like, you're not single. It's like, what do you mean, I'm not married?
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That's my.
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My dad's. My dad's favorite line. My mom's always like, you are running around and cheating on me. He goes, I was. We were. I was single. And, like, we were dating for, like, you know, five years.
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I wasn't married.
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Yeah.
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When I filled out forms of the government. Marital status. Single.
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Single.
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Exactly that.
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I mean, it's. It's like. It's. It's.
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Yo, come on in. We also got Quinn in the building. He's got.
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Let's go. Sick.
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What's up, brother?
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How we doing?
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Come on in, man.
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You know Sammy, right? Good to see you.
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We've known each other, like, kind of on the Internet, but, like, not really hours away. What's up, man?
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What's up?
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Nice to meet you.
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No, I love it, though.
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It's cool.
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We were.
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We were just kind of sharing. Oh, is this mic good, Jackie? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.
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F
You want your sunglasses?
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E
No, I guess I'll just give them you.
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Dude. He's the man. Large is great. He's a great guy. He's a good dude. Personality.
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I like, parked over there and the guy was like, are you going up to see Large?
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It's like Portnoy at Large.
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We were just, like, talking kind of war stories from back in. The. Back in the day, like, right when social media was popping off. Yeah. And how much that really changed things for artists and personalities and couldn't keep secrets and certain things would get out there and all that sort of. When did you, like, fully pop off? What would you say it was like, when you.
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Man, that's a good question. I think, like, maybe 2013, 14 is, like, when things kind of started going. Yeah. I was working an insurance job out of Detroit, like a health insurance job. And I had a song that came out that, like, went viral on Spotify's, like, viral chart. And, like, that's when label started contacting me.
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And so what song was that?
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Quit my job. It's called Kings of Summer.
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Yeah, it's a banger.
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Yeah. Thank you, man.
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Love that joint.
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Thank you, man. And, like, it was a really weird time because I was, like. I was, like, pursuing music, but also, like, working a 9 to 5 still. And, like.
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Yeah, I know. Like, not music.
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Cubicle life.
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And.
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Yeah, so that was kind of what.
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And you were like, you're probably not like, 20, 10, 11.
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Sammy was always, like, a little.
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Yeah, I think. I think. Well, it's like, I definitely remember, like, the end of 2009, because I was like, hey, mom and dad, I'm out of here.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because you were like, college. You were in college, right?
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Yeah. And I was like, where did you go to school? Trinity.
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Okay, cool.
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So, I mean, but it was like, that's what the sick part was at the time. It wasn't Spotify, there wasn't Snapchat, there wasn't Instagram. Facebook was like, they were just allowing, like, high school kids to get Facebook.
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Yeah.
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So it was like we. We took off on that. And God forbid, life would be so much better without copyright infringement attorneys. Like, I wouldn't have probably. I probably would have not sold out, like, half of my tours if I couldn't remix other people's.
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Right? Yeah.
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And like, it. That, like, that was a whole crazy thing. And it probably came with like, DMCAs and all the things that come with, like, streaming and stuff. But we were like. We were. We were playing like everything from like a 700 person room in a random place like Cincinnati to like 17 people at a frat house at Worcester.
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Yeah, I love that was sort of.
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Like 10 people in the back would be like, kids sucks.
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All right, yo, there's.
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Thanks for coming out, guys.
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There. There are still to this day, but certainly back then, if you go to the right place, neighborhood vet, whatever it is, they might think you're a God. Right. And then other places, they don't even know who you are.
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You know, we had one the. It was right around then, it's probably 2011, 2012. And we were doing. It was Post Stool Palooza. It was Pre Blackout tour, though.
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Okay.
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So we were doing like, something in between.
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And God, I forget.
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Star Gang. Star Mouthy.
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Mouthy.
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Mouthy.
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Yes, Star Game.
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B
So it was Mouthy, who was a rapper from Boston, and he was coming out with us and we were at a bar in, like, Vermont.
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C
So is this, like Stoola Palooza extension?
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We tried to like, run it back and capture some of the magic again. And it. Because it's back to Stool, then Stool of Palooza, right Then. Then like the Blackout tour. And there was something in between that I think we were trying to figure it out.
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Were you guys doing a best year? Like, so.
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So. So Back to Stool and Stool Palooza with Sammy, like, literally as. As school resumes, like a Warp Tour.
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Style thing or like.
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C
Yeah, it was. It was like. It was like mainly, it's like we. We started at UMass, we were going to do like a frat lawn, and then Dave was getting like, pre was getting so many calls from the School that they moved it to the Mullen Center.
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Yeah. Became like, a full concert.
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C
Probably the most EMT calls they've ever gotten.
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Yeah, it.
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It was. It was the perfect storm of, like, New England guy starting to, like, come up in music bar.
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Boston's boy.
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C
Yeah, Boston's boy came out, and then that's like.
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Then Boston's blog was starting to go, and they. And they came together.
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E
So you guys have known each other for a minute. I was going to say, like, now I'm starting to, like, put these pieces together because you guys both started at the same time.
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C
Absolutely.
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E
From the same city.
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C
Yes.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was the New York guy, but these guys, like, Barstool was. It was all popping off at the same time independently, but then together. And we then tried to, like, make it bigger and grander. We signed the next year. We did Posner, Chitty Bang, a couple of other names that were really popping off course. But it never. First of all, those guys started to charge too much money and, like, financially.
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C
Well, we didn't.
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A
We.
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C
We filled in on, like, three of those shows.
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A
Yeah. I was gonna say. So it never. There was never the natural and, like, organic. Like, he. He had his fan base and our famous. Perfect. And we tried to do with other bigger names or. Or bigger. Posner had just dropped cooler than me or whatever. So it's like, let's go get, like, the number one.
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C
Yeah. Brain trust that he dropped, like, the first.
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A
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right around.
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C
Because, like, I think he was at Duke, too.
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A
Right.
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C
And then he was. He was just. He was more, like, at the time, more corporate. He had, like, a booking agent. I was, like, working with the homie from New York. So I was like, he was the.
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A
Music version of the blog. I was like, we're just doing it. Yeah.
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C
I was kind of like. Like, it. Like, let's. Like, this is way better for progressing, like, the project. It definitely. A lot of people. It's like, before streaming, so a lot more people bought the record.
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A
It was the perfect. Was everybody won? You know, I mean, like, it was great for Barstool. It was great for him. It all worked.
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E
Was this, like, itunes, like, or what?
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C
Itunes? Yeah.
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E
Spotify. Well, that wasn't a thing.
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C
No Spotify. So, like, there was this. There was a big, like, kind of, like, industry discussion going on of, like, what is next? Because we're going from, like, you know, physical epks to electronic, like, press packages. And then it's like, now it's like Facebook and YouTube are doing a Lot of the heavy lifting. And, like, I think Bandcamp was out before Spotify, which was cool, but they didn't still have, like. Now they have the coolest year where you can just make it free and people pay whatever they want.
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But.
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E
But SoundCloud was probably around then.
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C
Soundcloud was, like, pretty much getting. SoundCloud was getting their legs.
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But it was early.
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C
It was the blogs.
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A
It was the. I would say the blog era. This is, like, Good Music All Day. This song is sick.
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C
Like, fresh new tracks. All those things.
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E
That's, like, where I found your music.
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B
Good Music All Day. I forgot about that. I bought merch from Good Music All Day, bro. I had a T shirt from Good Music All Day that was like. It said good. Good in orange, music in green, all whatever, all in different colors. And I remember showing up to a party once in that shirt.
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A
You were probably the coolest guy at the party.
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B
No, I got roasted so good, dude.
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A
Oh, really?
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B
Dude? I like. It was.
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A
You should be listening to this vlog. But people did, like, have allegiances.
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C
Like the Cancun tank top with, like, the different.
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Yeah. Yes.
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The fresh new tracks.
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Tank top.
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B
But I rolled in, and my buddy, I just went like, yo, what's up? My buddy just went, sorry, I can't hear you. Shirt's too loud. You can't beat an elementary school burn. I was like.
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C
Right as I walked in, dude, just getting roasted.
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E
But getting on those blogs was, like, getting a number one record.
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C
It really was.
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A
I mean, as a consumer, it was like, I had my rotation. One of the guys we used to work with, K. Marco, had his own one.
- [19:49]
C
He.
- [19:49]
A
It was originally called One Night in Bangkok. And then he called it Hype Floats. And he was like, always. Because at that. At that, it was. What was it? Share Beast was one of them. There was all these, you know, you could just download them for free and then put them into your itunes. Yeah. I think at that point, I might have had an old ipod still, like, clunker. Yeah. With this, I had the buttons.
- [20:09]
C
I'll take this thing to the beach. It'll be fine.
- [20:15]
A
But to me, like, that era, if you didn't live it, I don't think you get how, like, fun it was and cool. There was nothing better. And to me, it's. It's almost, I think, totally gone now. Finding a song first was the dope, like, putting somebody on to, like. Yes. Yeah. You just can't do that anymore because it's like, it's on Spotify.
- [20:34]
C
We all heard it, and it Made the show so much better because, like, there was, like, there wasn't as many people that were, like, trying to come to just shoot the content to post something on their page. They were with you. Like, enjoy your, you know, 75 minutes, like, on stage. Like, if, like, when I sold out Roseland, it was like four years before I was tripping my balls off at, like, Busy P. Skrillex and Dead Mouse. And like, four years later, I was like, are we really there?
- [21:05]
A
Right? Yeah.
- [21:06]
C
And it was a mad house. Like.
- [21:08]
A
Yeah.
- [21:08]
C
And it's like, now I'm like, thinking about that set list. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna get so many season desists for the things I'm playing right now. But then again, like, DJs can play whatever the they want. Like, it doesn't make.
- [21:22]
E
Yeah, it's a double standard.
- [21:23]
C
It's wild.
- [21:24]
A
Like, wait, so wait, I Hate College was just like. Was that the exact beat? Did you twist it at all or any, like, chop.
- [21:31]
C
It was like, exact beat. And then, like, that.
- [21:34]
A
Was that even discussed or that you just, like, went rogue? And, like, I kind of.
- [21:38]
C
I kind of went rogue and, like, it wasn't supposed to come out. And then like, there was like, whatever. At Trinity, it's called, like, how you, like, chatted with your professors and, like, which turned into how you got Adderall and all those type of things. But it was like someone leaked it from my house. And I was like, dude, I didn't even do the second verse. Like, what are y'?
- [21:59]
B
All? And then I remember when I first heard that song, like, this is great, but it's crazy. Sure.
- [22:05]
C
And I was like, at least like, let me clip the end. It's just like another 32 bar verse that has no. No bars. And I'm like, this is insane. But then people started to pick up on it and we're like, this song is going to be fire when it's done.
- [22:16]
A
Yeah.
- [22:17]
C
And then we put it out and, like, we were in talks to, like, have it be an official. But with his label and Mike Karen, because he had just put out, I think Greenhouse Effect before I'd like, decided I was going to drop out.
- [22:29]
A
Yeah.
- [22:29]
C
And it was. It was cranking on YouTube.
- [22:33]
E
And what year were you when you put that out? Like, in college.
- [22:36]
C
I was a junior in college when I put that one out.
- [22:39]
A
Yeah.
- [22:40]
C
And then I did Boston's Boy. Like, that summer in la.
- [22:45]
A
Boston's Boys. I heater.
- [22:49]
B
For you guys.
- [22:50]
A
I can't even imagine.
- [22:50]
B
It was crazy. But also, like, you were Saying where you like? You had. I said, you like odd beat with a frat.
- [22:55]
A
Yeah.
- [22:56]
B
Like, I had a girlfriend who was, like, obsessed with Boston's boy.
- [23:00]
A
You didn't like it?
- [23:01]
B
I'd be like. I'd be like, no, I. No, I really liked it.
- [23:04]
C
He's all right.
- [23:04]
B
I loved it. But she loved it too much. Yeah. Where I'd be like. I mean, it's so.
- [23:09]
A
He was the guy in the back of the show.
- [23:12]
B
And then she hit me with. She's like, well, if it's so, like, why don't you make it then? And I like, well, I would, but my shirt's too loud. Okay.
- [23:22]
E
I remember being in TV production class in high school. I was a junior, and my friend showed me that, and I thought. I liked. I. I love. I love college.
- [23:31]
A
Yeah.
- [23:31]
E
Like, the original is great. But then I was like, this is great, because I never heard. I'd never heard, like, a white guy use auto tune.
- [23:39]
C
That's exactly what Jet said the other day.
- [23:41]
E
And it was like a new thing that never had been tried. I was like, this is crazy. Like, man.
- [23:47]
A
Yeah, Trailblazer.
- [23:48]
B
Let's go.
- [23:48]
C
I mean, that's so. That was like. That was like, kind of the first. First, like, introduction into how, like, grizzly the labels can get because, like, they. They wanted to do it. And then I guess, like, I guess. I mean, Ash felt a little slighted that, like, I made I Hate College, but it really had nothing. There was no.
- [24:09]
A
Like, there was no beef.
- [24:11]
E
I could see it being perceived that way, though.
- [24:13]
C
Absolutely. Like, yeah, because if. If I'm putting out a song and it's like, you know, mix and master, and we go out and, like, this is the lead record, and then someone flips it and they're getting spins on it. It's like. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth. So I was never like, dude, like, let's do this. I never pushed for it. Ash was also in a different thing. I was more, like, interested in writing, like, good songs and, like, kind of getting away from hip hop, but, like, having big pop songs and, like, dope rap hooks. And that was exactly the opposite of what he wanted to do. Right.
- [24:45]
A
He was like, was there any, like, a confrontation at all between you guys?
- [24:48]
C
No, never. I mean, we'd been in the same place. He, like, dated Hannah Bronfin for, like, years, and I was living in New York and. But it's like, I was always cool with her. We just. We kind of just, like, were. It was like a. Yeah, good to see you.
- [25:01]
A
Right. Right, Right. No beef. Right, right, right.
- [25:05]
E
Two college guys.
- [25:07]
C
Yeah.
- [25:07]
B
Again, I. I do completely understand his, like, thought process there.
- [25:11]
C
Totally.
- [25:12]
B
It has to be good for both.
- [25:13]
A
I was going to say that's one of those things that.
- [25:15]
C
I think it brings you back to his song probably more than it would have if, like, it was a beef.
- [25:20]
B
Yeah.
- [25:21]
A
To me, that is the very definition of, like, no such thing as bad publicity. If I'm thinking with, like, my Internet brain, I almost want someone to make a remix or a other version or.
- [25:30]
C
Whatever, you know, I mean. And like, that was. The ill part about it, is that I didn't like when I did it. It was kind of just like late night, having fun, just talking about, like, what we were actually doing. And like, at college, like, no one actually wanted to go, like, to class. No one.
- [25:47]
A
Yeah.
- [25:48]
C
Wanted to do all the. That, like, the university's like, this is a great song for this. It's like, I'm talking about snorting Molly. Dude.
- [25:56]
A
Dude. So funny.
- [25:57]
C
Which is not something I ever.
- [26:00]
A
Yeah.
- [26:00]
C
Would give anyone advice.
- [26:05]
A
It was another. I had a buddy of mine went to Loyola and a kid he went to school with who I don't think is anything musical. I. I can't remember his name. I think he just went out to have a normal life. But he made a YouTube video called I Love Knowledge. And it was the same beat, same idea, flipped it again, and it was kind of just like a. It was a. It was a good rap, but it was nerdy. It was just all about the authors he's reading and the papers he's writing. But it was only on YouTube. It wasn't a real song. And I used to listen to that as, like, we put that on at parties. Right?
- [26:32]
B
That.
- [26:33]
A
That whole beat and, like, college theme had legs, man.
- [26:36]
C
Absolutely.
- [26:37]
A
Yeah.
- [26:38]
C
And it was. It's like super slow, too. Like, sometimes when I'm doing it live, I'm like, dude, how are we getting through 3.3minutes and 26 seconds.
- [26:46]
A
Yo, let me ask you this. I have a. I have a conspiracy theory. Are. Are songs so short now because people want replays? Is that why? Because I caught myself doing it. I was listening to a song on the K pop Demon Hunter soundtrack, but there was a. There's like, one part of it that me and my kids really like. And I. And I was rewinding to it, and I was thinking to myself, I wonder if that gets, like, more plays. And then I was like, wait a minute. Is this why this. Every song's 1 minute and 59 seconds? Because you Got to go back. And then you get twice the plays because I'm sick of one verse, a hook and.
- [27:16]
B
And you're out.
- [27:17]
A
I want a real song, but I guess I'm an old man.
- [27:19]
E
I'm curious your thoughts on it, but I think it's like attention spans are so bad these days.
- [27:26]
A
Like two is so short.
- [27:27]
E
But I do think, I do think it's. It obviously does increase playback the, the frequency of like playing the song again if it's short, obviously. But I just think it's. People are just quick to the next thing and they don't want to listen to a three minute song anymore. Which I.
- [27:42]
C
It's sad industry standard for like when I signed my three 3:30. Like 3:30 to 3:50.
- [27:48]
E
Closer to four minutes.
- [27:49]
C
Like 3:30 to 3 if you have a feature.
- [27:51]
E
And now like people don't write bridges anymore.
- [27:53]
C
Right.
- [27:53]
E
And like there's parts of song.
- [27:55]
A
Yeah.
- [27:55]
E
Literally, like it's just, just, it's just verse, chorus, verse, chorus. Done.
- [28:00]
B
So now let me ask you this. How long do you think that's gonna last for? Because like time is finite and things can't keep getting.
- [28:07]
A
You can't have a 10 second.
- [28:08]
B
I actually, I'm waiting for somebody to.
- [28:10]
A
Turn around to be like, I'm gonna make four minute songs for the people who like four minute songs. And you're gonna sacrifice, you know, a lot to a lot of people who are like, I don't want a long song like that. But I don't know, it's like.
- [28:19]
B
But I think you'll always have the people making longer songs. It's just how long until society is like, oh, we.
- [28:25]
E
Like that's the popular thing.
- [28:26]
B
Yeah, it will. It has to happen. You can't keep getting shorter, shorter, shorter and everything.
- [28:31]
C
So everything's so clippable too. So it's like, you know, if you're doing, you know, it's like even on Instagram, it's like what's the longest you can. If your video is like I think like 16 to 20 seconds. That's just how the song is.
- [28:47]
A
Right.
- [28:47]
C
So people are putting that on. But like it's weird because it does take like the, a huge part of the creative out of like writing like interludes and like having cool bridges and like, you know, it's like that's why Tame and Paul is like forever dope. He doesn't even how long his songs are, but they're like usually around 4:10, 3:30. And there's so many different changes. I feel like it makes it Especially in hip hop. I feel like hip hop and maybe like def. Well, definitely top 40. It, it's being simplified for like efficiency of listening, which doesn't really make sense because it's like if you with the artist, you want to listen more the whole way through.
- [29:28]
A
But you know what was interesting? We had Swiss beats on the show once and he was saying his was like revolutionary because a, it was like all original music, it wasn't samples. So he owned it all. But also he said he came with the beat, the hook and he was like, and I just want eight bars from you and you. And like that's it. Like, yeah. He completely broke down the, the process of making it to the point that he made it so easy for artists. Yeah. Which is cool because then you turn it out. But also to me there's something about like, give me 32 bars, go like wrap your ass, have a 30 second bridge. Let's add a like a posse cut. We have five people in a song. Like.
- [30:05]
B
Yeah, that's kind of what like you saying the word artist made me think like. Oh yeah, that's kind of like, like we think like consumers like, like that like where it is on an artist to make me watch longer.
- [30:16]
A
Yeah.
- [30:16]
B
Like I watched Silence of the Lands last night. That's a two hour movie. I did it because the artist fucking made it worth it.
- [30:22]
A
Right.
- [30:22]
B
Whereas like if, if you're always thinking about things like a consumer or like a business sense, then yeah, it's always going to be make it faster, make it faster.
- [30:29]
C
Right.
- [30:29]
B
But I'm thinking of there's a scene, a clip I've seen before where like David lynch is directing. I don't even know what he's directing. He's directing Twin Peaks or something like that. And someone off camera goes, the scene is too long and he rips his headphones off. He goes, who gives a how long?
- [30:47]
A
That's real though. Yeah, yeah, I love that. Right.
- [30:50]
C
I mean, because he's probably trying to get like, you know, he's probably like gone back to that 30 different times and rewritten and he wants the whole thing to be seen. So it's gotta drive you nuts. And someone's like, yeah, off.
- [31:04]
B
But you also, you do need the.
- [31:06]
A
Other side of it too that he.
- [31:07]
B
Goes, I'm not listening to you. I don't give a. This is what I want. This is what it's going to be and people are going to like this.
- [31:12]
A
But I believe, I also appreciate that maybe that other guy who was yelling about it is like, like I always feel this. We used to do this with podcasts we would rip for like three, three and a half hours.
- [31:21]
C
Right.
- [31:22]
A
The final hour and a half is getting 10% of the viewers. You know what I mean? People just. So I'm like, oh, I don't care. I want to go as long as I want to go. And it's like, all right, what? Every topic you just did, every joke you just made, all that's burned now. It's gone, you know? Yeah. So I don't know specifically in that case, but if some guy's going, we're gonna lose the movie because this is a 15 minute thing that should be three minutes or whatever. You know what I mean? There is a science to that stuff, and I appreciate it. But then sometimes you go too far or you need the person who just says, I don't care.
- [31:49]
B
I mean, it's also that same stuff like. Like Hollywood movies. It used to be a thing like, yeah. If it ends with the people getting together or if it ends on a happy ending, box office is going up 25.
- [31:59]
C
Right.
- [32:00]
B
So people would want to write happy ending, but you need the people to go, I don't.
- [32:03]
A
That's not how I want you to walk out. Yeah.
- [32:05]
B
My story ends with we don't get 25 of the box office and the hero dies.
- [32:10]
A
Yeah.
- [32:10]
C
And you roll the intro credits for 15 minutes.
- [32:14]
B
Yeah.
- [32:15]
A
Yeah.
- [32:16]
B
That's a crazy move.
- [32:17]
A
Like, talk about how is.
- [32:19]
C
How is that not clipped shorter? And then now it's like, even. Even shows are like. It's like HBO Max. And then it goes right into it.
- [32:27]
A
It's like watching old movies where it's just words and a song and like a M. Sometimes those are cool, but.
- [32:34]
B
You don't need the whole.
- [32:37]
C
So long though.
- [32:37]
B
The Netflix CEO who's actually. It's not. It wasn't. It's not Ted Sarandos.
- [32:43]
A
Yeah.
- [32:43]
B
Tet.
- [32:44]
A
Yeah.
- [32:44]
B
But it was before him. The CEO before him was asked at like, their conference, like, what is. Who is Netflix's number one competitor?
- [32:50]
A
Yeah.
- [32:51]
B
And his answer was very dark and dystopian. He said, our. Our number one competitor is sleep.
- [32:57]
C
And he was.
- [32:58]
B
He's like, we don't have any.
- [33:00]
A
That's a cruel bodily functions of human kind of a flesh.
- [33:05]
B
But like, that's why they roll into the next episode. Cuz they don't want you to go to bed. They don't want you to have that half second of going, you got dudes.
- [33:12]
C
On the couch with like pee bottles. It's like, come on, come on guys.
- [33:15]
A
I never leave a Netflix. Yeah, I mean it, that's, that's the, I guess, you know, we, we kind of do it as well with. It's like short form versus long form and long podcast, short videos, all that sort of. It's, it's, it's. It feels like it's too much to ignore. Right. Unless you are like the best director who says I don't care or the biggest. Or Taylor Swift could put out a 10 minute, all too well remix, you know, like. Right. You gotta play by the rules almost.
- [33:43]
E
Well, that's what I want to be.
- [33:44]
A
Like make money and be successful.
- [33:46]
E
Like, like, even, even like music videos like that, that's like a, a dying art form because people just want quick consumption and they want tik toks rather than music videos and they want YouTube shorts. Basically anything that's short, that's what they want. And it's like music videos are iconic and we're like losing. That's not going to be a thing anymore.
- [34:08]
A
People, people used to watch the making of the.
- [34:10]
B
It'll be, it won't be a thing. Like, like when you say it was a dying art form, like radio was a dying art form.
- [34:15]
C
Yeah.
- [34:16]
B
Until podcast.
- [34:17]
A
Right.
- [34:17]
B
So like music videos I think are dying out for art form.
- [34:21]
A
It won't be an.
- [34:21]
B
Until we find the new art form.
- [34:25]
A
Right now I think it's popped a little bit recently again. It's like the bigger acts, but I feel like they put that on their YouTube channel or their Instagram so there's a, a place for it. There was that in between period where it was like, nobody is watching MTV anymore for a music video, so don't make it. Let's put it on our socials.
- [34:41]
C
It also came to that point where it's like, if you don't want to make the music video for your song, then don't because no one cares. Yeah, but if you have a sick idea, right, and you want to get like, you know, your, your full like artistic approach on this and you have a dope, you know, director and producer and a vision for it and, and it comes to life. It's like I feel like those kind of can live forever with your fan base and that goes back to like what doing from day one and grassroots and really like not having much help from the industry does for you is like people don't only fall in love with your music, they fall in love with you as a person.
- [35:22]
A
Process.
- [35:22]
C
And it kind of like intertwines. It's not just like I. With his music. It's like I. With him. And it's like, you know, all. All the industry, like, meet and greets and all that. It's great. Like, we all make bread off that, but at the same time, it's like, it's. You gotta. It's a slippery slope because, like, they can get you running through 900 people and you don't really get to meet anyone. And then it's like, is it worth it? Like, are people catching on it? This is kind of a scam, right?
- [35:50]
A
Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've had meet and greets. You have conversations with people for, like, you could talk to them. They'll talk to you all night long. You know what I mean? And then there's ones where it's like, hello, goodbye, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, but that. That, like some factory. Yeah, Just literally just like.
- [36:06]
C
Yeah, assembly lines.
- [36:07]
A
You got your picture.
- [36:08]
C
All right.
- [36:09]
A
Yeah.
- [36:10]
E
I mean, but then you feel like an.
- [36:11]
A
When he.
- [36:11]
E
When the guy's like, I gotta say, I saw you in college. And it's like, you gotta, like, this is someone, like, pouring their heart out. Like, all right, I'll listen to you.
- [36:17]
C
But, yeah, there's like, a security guy's hand on his chest.
- [36:20]
B
Yes.
- [36:21]
A
Already.
- [36:21]
C
Like, I really listened to you. It's like, leave this got. And then you do it, like, 90 times and you're two hours late for your sets.
- [36:29]
A
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- [40:09]
C
Yes.
- [40:09]
A
Which sounds super simple, but it's just like early on, when you want to write this blog or record this song or jump on this person's beat, just to do it is when it thousands at its best. And that's what people recognize. And that's when they're like, I will buy a ticket, not only because I want to go see it, but I'm supporting what this guy's doing. And I see where.
- [40:26]
E
I also think that's why a lot of people's. I mean, you could argue that people's debut projects as artists are the most revered because fans discovered them for the first time and that'll always be a special thing to them that they have attached with, like, memories. But I also think, like, for me, at least, I'm sure, Sammy, you can attest to this too. Like, you're making it like, I was making the first project because I just wanted to make music and I wasn't Like, I never did it because I was like, I want to be famous. Or my label's saying, I got to do this, so I'm going to do it this way. It's like, I was doing it because I just love doing it and it just so happened to get successful. And I think that was the best version of me. It wasn't like, I'm doing this because I have a great idea for the tik tok that I'm going to promote.
- [41:07]
A
For it or, or.
- [41:09]
E
Or the label.
- [41:10]
A
It. It's like just the one thing.
- [41:11]
E
Yeah, it's just. It's just because I want to make the music. And you're right, man. It's. I totally agree.
- [41:17]
A
It's like you can't ever, like, capture that again. Go in it, still into it. But it's like, yeah, the same thing with, like, fighters. I feel like in mma, it's like once you're rich and you're comfortable, it's over. Yeah, it's over once guy. I always looked at him as like, the hungry guy who's like, I am here to kill people. I don't care how hard you train when you are, your off hours are now on a yacht in the French Riviera. You're just not as grimy. And that's the extreme, because it's like we're talking about physically fighting, but it's the same thing, is like, I'm on tour now. I'm making some money. I got some. Some girls. I got this whatever. And then there's some kid who's like, I've been in the studio for 25 hours a day. Yeah, I'm not gonna beat that kid.
- [41:55]
B
You know, it's not gonna work.
- [41:56]
C
And it's like. And that's. I mean, that's. That's like kind of the. That's. I feel like that's always the battle, the inner battle with, like, being an artist. It's like when you don't feel like, I had to learn quick. Like, when you don't feel like doing. Don't waste your money. Don't waste your time. You got to be able to feel it. And it's like, it really is like a. It's like a seventh sense. Almost like it's like a six or seven cents where it's like, this is gonna pop. Because I like it.
- [42:26]
A
Yeah.
- [42:26]
C
Not because you gotta trust that dude.
- [42:28]
A
That's like.
- [42:28]
C
Well, trusting your intuition gets harder and harder with, like, the outside influences of everything. And it's like. And, you know, like. Like Quinn touched on with attention spans. It's like you want to keep everyone engaged. You don't want people going away from your page. And then for me, it's like, my song idea is gone.
- [42:46]
A
Yeah. It's like, right? Right.
- [42:48]
C
Who knows? Because it's like, unless it's like a freestyle or something you're doing on, you know, the radio, it's like. It's pretty intimate when you, like, actually with the records you're making, which makes it hard to release because then it's like, do we even shoot a video for this? Is anyone gonna care?
- [43:06]
A
Do you guys feel pressure of, like, music, I feel like, is so cyclical in the sense of, like, you. You're recording, then it's being edited, mastered, whatever. Then you release it, do your tour, and then you kind of, like, start over again. I always feel like in our world with, like, podcasting is. I. I've always said a million times, I would love to have a off season and an onsi, like a television show. But it. I'm. I don't do it because I'm nervous to be like, we're gonna take three months off and we're gonna all reboot and get passionate again. But in those three months, everybody goes and finds a new podcast. Yeah.
- [43:38]
E
Losing momentum.
- [43:38]
A
Yeah. Do you feel that? Or like music, it's almost expected. So I don't know if people build that in. Like I can't wait for Quinn's album that I know will be out probably next year cuz it takes a year or whatever. Or is it like I gotta keep putting out singles, keep making Tik Toks, keep, you know. Do you feel that pressure?
- [43:53]
E
Yeah, I, I do and I don't. But like it's weird. Like I've put out an album almost like every year and I'm not. Not because like I feel that pressure. I feel like it's just because I love making music. And like it's not even like I'm like when I'm not making music or like when the album is out and I'm on tour, like, yeah, I'm busy. But then when I'm off tour, it's like my favorite thing to do is music. So it's like, what else am I gonna do? Like I just, I might as well just go make more music.
- [44:19]
A
Like.
- [44:20]
E
And you could look at that as like, wow, this dude's busting his ass. And like, yeah, I am working hard, but like I just like doing it.
- [44:25]
A
Yeah.
- [44:26]
E
And so what do you think about.
- [44:27]
A
I'm always.
- [44:28]
C
And it's cyclical too. When you're, when you're on tour, art, like when you get through, like let's say you're doing a three month stretch, like you're ready to get back in the studio. When you're in the studio for like three to six months, you're ready to get back on tour.
- [44:40]
A
Yeah.
- [44:41]
C
So it's like, that's understandable in terms of just the creative process. And like I'm sure you record on tour as well.
- [44:50]
E
No, I don't actually don't. I feel like I can't.
- [44:52]
C
I feel like.
- [44:52]
E
I feel like I gotta like just put all my energy into like the show.
- [44:56]
C
I with that like the times. Not really like the time I'll like put 60 roughs down. But it. They're not like polished or we're not. Yeah, just demo ideas and like writing melodies in the back and like that. But it also like, it also switches when like you're ready to get off the road because then you're like these shows.
- [45:17]
A
Yeah, I can't. The end of a tour, like I'm.
- [45:20]
C
Trying to get home.
- [45:21]
A
I can't even imagine the end of a tour. Has been. Got to be the best feeling in the world.
- [45:26]
E
Everyone starts hating each other, like, on the crew.
- [45:28]
A
And, like.
- [45:29]
E
Yeah, not even hate. I shouldn't say that, but just, you're.
- [45:31]
A
Yeah, you're. It's like a family.
- [45:33]
E
You're like, you're. You're done.
- [45:34]
A
Yeah, Yeah.
- [45:35]
C
I mean, and people. People that are kind of like, butting heads, you know, from month one, it's like, they can't wait to not see that other person again. And like, luckily, like, we've. We've had really good, like, you know, really good peeps on tour with us, and we've kind of always recycle that with, like, people we can trust, people that are, you know, responsible on the road. That's another huge thing. It's like, doesn't matter how much experience someone has if they're a. It's like, that's gonna come out. Yeah, it's a really bad look. And it's like, luckily, we never really ran into that many problems. Like.
- [46:09]
A
No, you're probably the problem, bro.
- [46:10]
C
Got it.
- [46:11]
B
If anything, they're worried about the table.
- [46:16]
C
We said we sent, like, a. Like, a couple people did some wild, and we, like, sent him on, like, the world's longest greyhound back. It's like, you're gonna stop and then head on back to Michigan.
- [46:31]
B
What do you.
- [46:32]
A
I'm always a little skeptical what you were just saying about how you like to make music. Like, and I think this gets portrayed, turned into, like, you're such an artist, but, like, the frank oceans of the world or even, like, Timberlake in his prime or some of these guys who put out, like, two albums, like, their whole right life. And I think it gets viewed as, like, it's his process and he'll put it out when he feels impassioned. I get all that. But I'm also like, make some music, man. Like, dude. Or don't. Like, you don't. You don't listen. You do whatever you want in your life. But I feel like it's almost, you know, in. In. In music and certainly in the rap world, where it's almost competitive and people are comparing. It's like the guy who can get in there and do it every year, like, on a schedule and always put out hits. I feel like deserves more or credit or whatever.
- [47:15]
C
Totally.
- [47:16]
A
Than the guy who's like, I'll do it when I'm ready. And it's been seven years.
- [47:18]
E
Yeah, you could argue that. I, I, I, I. You know, I think someone like Frank Ocean is like, there's only so Many guys that can like do what he does and it adds to the mystique of all.
- [47:30]
C
It's like nostalgic. Ultra was absolutely insane.
- [47:33]
E
Insane Channel Orange and like all these like, like there's certain guys that can. It benefits them to be away for years and they can just off and it. They only get more popular.
- [47:43]
A
Literally doing for like five. What, like an artist collect. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the other thing is if you have a big enough hit, you're good.
- [47:50]
E
You start to question like, does he even like making music? Cuz it's like, yeah, like I. I couldn't. I couldn't do that.
- [47:55]
C
Well, yeah, that was, that was one. That was like one of his things where like he got super like just down on like making music. And it was.
- [48:04]
A
He wrote for other artists though, right? Like he did like, I think he's still in the. He did.
- [48:10]
C
I think he wrote all the hooks for like Beyonce. He's on no Church in the Wild, but he was doing Beyonce. And then he did the full Watch the Throne project with them for all those sexes. Okay, so you're still working you maybe they're writing crazy. And like the writing side of the music industry is amazing because like you don't necessarily have to deal with all like the clout. And it's just like, you know, I'd say maybe one out of a hundred people that like go to Spotify actually look up like he's listed on like songs and stuff. So. But it's like, it's such a. Such a difficult thing because like I was literally at a meeting at CAA and like I like look over where she's sitting and I'm like. Did like a full double take. Like, it's Don Henley.
- [48:55]
A
No way. Yeah.
- [48:57]
C
I was like. I was like, mitch, what the is he doing in here? And he was like, I heard your album. It's not bad. And like I said, guess I said something about like, he should let Frank clear the eagle sample of the Hotel California.
- [49:12]
A
Uhhuh.
- [49:13]
C
Did not go over.
- [49:16]
A
Don't. Don't tell me what you're doing. My song.
- [49:19]
C
I was like, oh. I was like, hey Don. I was like, you have a good day. My mom loved you.
- [49:24]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [49:26]
B
Don, we used to give away his music.
- [49:29]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [49:31]
B
Like, okay, Boston's boy, settle down over there.
- [49:33]
E
Frank's a good guy, right?
- [49:35]
C
Right after he compliments me, I'm like, you should probably free up that sample. His face went like from the nicest smile to like hate you.
- [49:44]
B
That Is that. Is free up any sample.
- [49:47]
A
It's one of the biggest acts of all. Are you the biggest single song of all time?
- [49:52]
C
I was like. I was like, walking out of that building and just beating myself up the whole week, like. He had one thing to say to him.
- [50:00]
A
You said the most disrespectful. You knew it, dude.
- [50:05]
B
Yeah, but like. Like, it's one of those things too, like, where you probably. In that moment when you were walking out, you're like, that was so dumb. But, like, that's the best thing you could.
- [50:13]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [50:14]
B
It's a great Sit here now.
- [50:15]
C
Yeah, I was like. I was kind of like, wow, that was really stupid. And then I was like, man, again, pretty hard.
- [50:24]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [50:24]
C
He definitely was not expecting that. I don't think anyone's ever said that to him.
- [50:28]
A
Yeah.
- [50:29]
B
I meant holding on pretty tight to Hotel California.
- [50:35]
A
Do I have an opportunity for you?
- [50:38]
C
Are we being a little.
- [50:39]
A
We being a little particular with this certain record?
- [50:43]
C
Like, it hasn't done like 20 times.
- [50:46]
A
Diamond. Oh, my God, dude, that's funny.
- [50:49]
B
That's. That's one of my favorite stories ever.
- [50:51]
C
Hey, hey. Don't be so precious with Hotel California, huh?
- [50:56]
A
Right? Yo, the s. The samples to me is I have like, my. My thought if I made music was I would. If I could get the clearance right. Because it's. I feel like you. You can ask for anything, right? Yeah. You wanted to. It's just a matter of would they give you the sample? Like, if everything. Let's say everyone's on board, but the artist is just like, I don't. With you. I don't know who you are. We're not getting it right. It's up to them. Final size sort of thing. Is that how it works? Like, if the label. I guess. Yeah. A lot of red tape, but yeah.
- [51:27]
E
Yeah. More or less, kind of.
- [51:28]
A
So my point, my thought was gonna be, especially in this modern era where it seems like touring and everything else is how you make your money, right. You're not really. It's not Stream.
- [51:36]
E
Touring is like, right.
- [51:38]
C
Torin's Bread and Butter.
- [51:39]
A
Yeah. Yeah. If you were to make an album, a whole album, it's like 10 songs all sampled. Like the best samples, hooks, melodies, whatever that everybody loves. You don't get any publishing. You don't make a dime off that. But it. It's all number one records and then you can tour off that.
- [51:56]
C
Yeah.
- [51:56]
A
Would that be a viable. Like, I'm never. I'm. I'm not even thinking about owning my own songs. It's all going to be Don Henley, the Eagles, whoever, you know. But people are going to love this. So then they will come on tour, and that's where I make my money anyway. So I don't really give a. If I get a lot of. If I own it, make a lot of money off of it.
- [52:12]
B
But can you play those songs on tour?
- [52:14]
E
What I was just going to say to that is some. Some people will not let you play things that you sampled on tour.
- [52:19]
C
Right.
- [52:20]
A
So you. You can put it on Spotify, but you can't play live. It depends. Or vice versa or whatever the. The deal is.
- [52:25]
E
I think everyone's different with. With how precious they are with. With what.
- [52:28]
A
So you could make a song but not be allowed to perform it somewhere. Yeah.
- [52:31]
B
So you put out this Eagles bag, shows up to your concert, you're like.
- [52:37]
A
I guess he's right. I guess.
- [52:41]
E
I guess, like, technically you could put out, like, correct me if I'm wrong, but, like, you could put out, like, a sampled song that goes number one, but, like, that dude might not let you play it, and everyone in the world might want you to play it. But, like, I guess contractually, like, you wouldn't be able to.
- [52:55]
C
I mean, it's.
- [52:56]
A
It's.
- [52:56]
E
I don't sample much. Like, if anything, I've never actually. Never sampled. Really. Like. Yeah, aside from, like, things on, like, Splice, which is like a producer. Like, like, I don't.
- [53:04]
C
I don't even think of that as sampling.
- [53:06]
E
I. I wouldn't know. Sampling, in my opinion, is taking a. A record like. Yeah. Like a. A beat or a chorus and pitching it up a bunch of keys and it sounds like a chipmunk singing it now. And it's like.
- [53:18]
F
Or.
- [53:18]
E
Or it's not that. But, yeah, it's taking.
- [53:20]
A
But I, I just. I think of it from the point of view of, like, 90s hip hop was so.
- [53:25]
C
But those are. Those are creative samples.
- [53:28]
A
Yeah, but. So, like, I'm not saying just rip it, but, like, right now I. I think we're getting into a stage, at least with rap, where it's like we're sampling rap songs for other rap songs. Yeah, that I think gets a little weird. But if you were to take, like.
- [53:42]
E
Samples are getting hit, samples are getting sampled.
- [53:44]
A
Yeah. And it's like, oh, I just made a rap. What was cool was like, oh, they took like a. A Motown song and made it rap. That was cool. But now it's like you just took a rap song and made another rap song. Well, it's so find Another avenue of. Of samples that are, like, pop songs from the 80s or R& B, whatever it is, and then flip those the way that rap did, and it. It becomes creative in that way. You're not just leeching off.
- [54:04]
C
Yeah. I mean, I feel like. I feel like, honestly, like, that. That time we were coming up is when people had the most creative samples. Now it's like carbon Copy. Like, we got two short records that are the ex. Like, same exact beat, same exact hook. And it's like, maybe that's why they don't care, because they know the touring will pop off. But it's so hard if you're faking stream numbers and you're getting, say, you have 30 million, like, monthly listeners. If that shit's fake, you are gonna have a really tough time. What's happening? Selling hard tickets.
- [54:38]
A
Yes.
- [54:38]
C
Like, a lot of the general public doesn't understand how stressful and gnarly selling hard tickets is because.
- [54:44]
A
Sucks the, the very little. We did it for podcasting. It was, like, the biggest. Did you guys do a live. A live podcast? Yeah, we do, like, Like a sick city, like, tour. Nothing. Like, you guys. YouTube.
- [54:54]
B
Yeah.
- [54:54]
A
How.
- [54:54]
E
How was it? Did you guys sell tickets or like.
- [54:57]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah. But, But. But it was. I mean, what I think the problem with us was, it was, like, our sixth most important thing, right?
- [55:03]
C
We're recording.
- [55:04]
A
I have a radio show. I have this. And also let me plug my tickets. And then all of a sudden, you'd be like, yo, we're two weeks out. We got to move these tickets.
- [55:10]
E
Right.
- [55:10]
A
We've been doing anything for six months, you know? Yeah, but we, We. I, I. I was proud of it. But I also think one of our big misses was we. We did a live podcast in, like, 20. When was. When was the Wilbur? 20. 20. No, no, no. Like, the first one. Yeah. I was gonna say 2014. 2015. Podcasting wasn't even really a thing. Live podcasting certainly wasn't. And we sold out the Wilbur in Boston. Wow. And we sold two. Yeah, two shows.
- [55:37]
E
I don't think I've been there, but I, I know what it is.
- [55:39]
C
I don't think I haven't played Will Breither, but it's very cool.
- [55:42]
A
It's a thousand people, so it's, like, a little bit bigger if you're seated. Yeah. Yes.
- [55:46]
E
So how much of that is you guys riffing with the crowd? Like, can you actually focus on your conversation or is like. I feel like I would inevitably have to just, like, be so cognizant of like what? Like, I need to say something that gets a laugh.
- [55:59]
A
You know, a reaction. I actually think was that tough? I used to think I would always be like, we're not standup comedians. Like, we're just. But then I talked to some comics who were like, I think it's harder when you're. What? Doing a live podcast is harder for them because they're like, I have a written joke that I know is going to hit every time. Yeah. Where we would go out there with, like, a framework of, like, we're going to talk about this topic, we'll answer some questions from the audience, we'll play some videos, but everything we're saying was pretty much off the rip. And it's like, if that wasn't a funny joke, you're. Yeah. Yeah. So I actually came to respect it a little more. But also, it was kind of just like, it's a very. Like, everyone was there for you. They're there to laugh.
- [56:41]
E
No one wants to see it be awkward.
- [56:42]
A
No one's going to sit there, like, you know, make me laugh. They're already boring.
- [56:44]
C
Yeah. If you're coming to be like a. It's like, just leave.
- [56:47]
A
Yeah. And there was.
- [56:48]
B
So you're not.
- [56:49]
C
You're not going to have a good.
- [56:50]
B
Time doing, like, an open mic where, like, you're hoping these people like you. Whereas they bought.
- [56:56]
C
I feel like it's easier to bomb and open mic. Like, I don't. Who cares?
- [57:01]
A
I was always most proud of. There was inevitably a lot of guys who brought girlfriends. And then eventually we started to see girls who brought boyfriends who didn't know us. And almost every time those people walked, I would always make a point to, like, who. Who here has never heard of us? You know, whatever. B, buckle up. It's gonna get weird. And almost inevitably, those people would, like, come to the meet and greet or leave. Being like, that was awesome. I don't even know who you guys were.
- [57:23]
C
That's great.
- [57:24]
A
And I was like, that's a sign we're doing it well. But it. Yeah. I wish we had stuck with it more because I'm. See, we're seeing live podcasts. Sell it out the Garden, dude.
- [57:32]
C
They're cra.
- [57:32]
A
It's crazy.
- [57:35]
B
Bad friends just did Wembley.
- [57:37]
A
Yeah. And they're just doing their podcast.
- [57:40]
C
Yeah, they did. When did they do Wembley? That's nuts.
- [57:42]
B
I, I. The only reason I know, I was in the London, I bumped into Santino and I was like, what are you doing here? And he's like, we're doing Wembley And I started. I literally started running. I was like, what the are you talking about doing Wembley?
- [57:53]
C
What is that cap? Like 85k?
- [57:55]
A
I don't even know. It's got to be monster.
- [57:57]
E
That's where they did like the.
- [57:58]
A
That's where like T Queen did the famous live.
- [58:02]
E
A Live Aid.
- [58:03]
A
Yeah. Dude. You know how many people like, with.
- [58:07]
E
Two guys talking like, that's absurd.
- [58:10]
C
It's like a full. It's like they play like the biggest of the biggest soccer, like football games there. It's like nuts.
- [58:15]
A
Yeah.
- [58:15]
E
It's like England's premiere.
- [58:17]
C
I'm sure they like do like a cut off somewhere.
- [58:20]
A
I almost hope.
- [58:21]
C
Because like, like sometimes it like. But it's weird like when you go to like, like when I went to like Drizzy and Migos at Madison Square, they had like the back cover, but it was just because the stage and then you go see Fish and they're in the middle and there's not an empty seat in the house.
- [58:37]
A
Yeah.
- [58:38]
C
Just getting whacked on acid with light sticks. Okay, I guess I'll just do a woo too. Like. But like, it's crazy how that podcast has like taken. Taken over like such a hard ticketing market because it's. It's a. It's like it's a pain in the ass when, like, especially when you don't want to be touring. Like, it's like the worst because you have to just. If I always feel like I'm over promoting and it's like I never want to be annoying about like, dude, come see me. Like, what are you not like a fan, bro?
- [59:11]
E
I hate that with music with. With songs too. It's like I, I hate the like, sing for my supper, listen to me type of. But that, but that's what it is.
- [59:22]
A
Also at the same time, like, I don't even think there's anything. There's such a thing as over promoting. It feels like it is true to your die hard follower who like has your notifications on and is seeing all of them get sick. They're like this, right? I also. We go through this every year when we do. Our Black Friday sale is like we have to make like a lot of our money in one weekend. Yeah. And we promote the out of it and people complain about it. And I'm like, can you please let us just have one weekend? Yeah. Where we have to be shills so we can like pay bills for the. You. You like the company. Right? We need this. Right. So.
- [59:50]
C
But the stoolies are great at being dicks.
- [59:53]
B
Though it's like one of the.
- [59:55]
E
One of the meanest fan bases.
- [59:57]
A
Respectfully. No, no.
- [59:59]
E
Just whenever I comment on like a barstool post, I'm like, this has to hit, and if it doesn't, I'm going to get ripped apart by the comment section.
- [60:08]
A
It's so true.
- [60:08]
C
It's like, I mean, there's pro. Like, the good part for me is there is definitely nothing that's already not been said in a comment section about me that can never be said again.
- [60:19]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [60:20]
C
It's like, so. It's like, I always think it's funny when people are like, just don't read comments. It's like, dude, me and wife feel. Literally go through comments and be howling, laughing, and people just cranking.
- [60:31]
B
See that? Like, that doesn't. I can't do that. I can never. I get so mad at, like, it, like, it really bothers me. It doesn't even have to be about me. I get really mad.
- [60:46]
C
It could be about something you really with, though, and you're like, how the. Do they feel that way about this?
- [60:50]
B
I know, I know they don't.
- [60:52]
E
I think the comment section is almost more like, it's. It's becoming more of a thing than the actual thing that you're totally.
- [61:00]
C
Yes.
- [61:00]
E
Like the one minute man stuff. I literally, when I see you on. On my timeline, I go right to the comments.
- [61:06]
C
Yeah.
- [61:06]
E
And I'm listening to you speak as I'm scrolling and seeing what people are thinking about it. And it's. It's.
- [61:11]
A
Well, that's.
- [61:12]
B
That's becoming more.
- [61:14]
A
Because I want.
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E
I'm like, in real time. I'm. I'm. I'm listening to what you're talking about, but I'm also seeing people's thoughts on it.
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A
And it's just a crazy thing.
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B
Stop doing it.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
Have your own opinion. And if you want to check on others, check on it. But you're right. When I. I used to do that kind of stuff too, and I. I would. I realized I never had my own opinion.
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A
Yeah.
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I just. I kind of like, I. I had this thought or I heard this story. I initially had this thought, and then I just start weighing different opinions and be like, I'm probably somewhere in between here. Like now I just have my own opinion and that's it.
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A
That's it. Yeah.
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B
And it's a way better way to live.
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C
It's almost like a. It's almost like a new. It's almost like a new media kind of like, format, because there I Like it became a meme at some point where it's like, I'm just here for the comments.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Like they don't even. It's like, right word. Don't play. Don't press play on my song.
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A
There was a legit period of time early on where people commenters on Barstool were like, we are the reason why this site is as popular as it is because like people are reading. And at that point it was. It was kind of silly because it was like, no, you guys are like, you know, there's 100 of you and there's 10 million. But on the Internet, on the, on social media, it's a different world where it's like people are really.
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B
That world only exists because you live in it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like once you're not in the comments anymore, it doesn't even like it set you free. Like you never.
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A
You.
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B
Eventually you just stop thinking about. There was a time where I. I had to know what everyone was thinking about everything.
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C
And.
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B
And then when you stop thinking about it, like, why the was I wasting.
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E
Peace of mind, dude, we were not meant to know what everyone's.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It's like back in the day. It's like, like imagine like when you're just like a popping like up and coming rock band. It's like someone's like, these guys suck. Just goes up into the air. That's right.
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A
That's it.
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C
It doesn't just live on your page. Some people voted.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Some pins it like, that's hilarious.
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B
And like my life, it just. It's so like, I really don't like talking about it. I talk about all the time though. Like, it so bothers the way you think of yourself.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, I was positive.
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A
Totally.
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B
Everyone hated me. I was positive. Like, I thought the world hated me.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And like I have no idea. It's the same in public. It's the same as it's always been about. Two people say hi.
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C
Yeah.
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B
That's about what it's always been.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
But I don't think everyone hates me anymore.
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A
Right.
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B
Cuz I'm not.
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A
Healthier way to live, brother. More.
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C
They'll talk and then ask for a picture when they see you in person, which is the most classic. And it's like, I'm not clocking who's talking. It's like everyone's talking. So it's like, I'm not going to be like, no, dude, that's not what you said.
- [63:52]
A
All right. Quinn's going to get out of here. Yeah. They're flagging me, guys. Thanks again for having me.
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E
This is so fun.
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A
Mustard's fire, too, by the way. The passion this man has for Mustard is. Yeah, you too, man.
- [64:03]
E
I was gonna say, let's work on some stuff.
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B
Absolutely.
- [64:04]
C
I'll hit you.
- [64:05]
E
We'll make a song about the comments section.
- [64:07]
C
Dude. Let's. Let's crank that. I love that.
- [64:10]
E
I'll shoot you a message on Instagram.
- [64:12]
C
Absolutely. Hit me up.
- [64:13]
A
Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. But, yeah, I. Yeah, I, I. I do think there's. It's just. I think we'll always be interconnected and, like, the stories. You know what I mean? Which I think is a very cool one.
- [64:24]
C
Like, well, it's. It's sick. Like, even coming in, like, the other night to work with Jet Ski and, like, Marty doing some. Like, everyone would, like, walk by the studio and be like, oh, word. Sammy, in a different world, I feel.
- [64:38]
A
Like you could have worked there. Yeah, right. Like, I mean, or been the music guy at.
- [64:42]
C
When I hit him up, he's like. He's like, sorry, I'm just getting to my phone. What. What are we looking at? He's like, you need a job?
- [64:53]
A
I'm like, no, I just want to.
- [64:55]
C
Come in the pod.
- [64:56]
A
So nice, dude. I was so happy when he said that.
- [64:59]
B
I was like, sorry, what are we looking at?
- [65:01]
A
I. I hit him, like, early with the, Like, I don't have the pole. I want to have. I can't get anyone jobs. I just want to come hang out. I was like, thank God.
- [65:06]
B
The amount of people.
- [65:07]
A
Can you get me in? Or, like. Or now it's always just like, can you get this to Dave or can you tell this to Dave or tell him to come to my piece. Pizza place? I'm like, no, no, no, no.
- [65:15]
B
I can't do any of this.
- [65:15]
A
I mean, if you'd like to come and talk with me, I can do that.
- [65:18]
C
But that's. That's probably also, like, why most people, like, fall short. It's like, I've never. I've never asked Dave for. It's like, we're just homies. Like, I'm so happy not only that.
- [65:28]
A
You provided, like, exactly.
- [65:30]
C
And Dave's a legacy guy. It's like he's a dude that doesn't forget like, that. And it's like, you know, it's like, that's. I feel like. I feel like there's so much, like, pitted energy against each other in, like, the music industry that it's like, oh, well, this dude owes me this. And it's like, no, One owes you.
- [65:48]
B
Yeah.
- [65:49]
C
Like, you helped build something that's dope, and you should be proud of that. And it's like, I feel like so many people would have stepped on his toes, like, and been like, well, can you at least do this? It's like, word it in the worst way possible for Dave on, like, a Monday.
- [66:04]
A
So the least you could do is just. I just remember, remember Dave. I don't know if it was back to stool or if it was. He went to one of your shows prior to back to stool, But I just remember him being like, I've never seen anything like this in my life. Yeah, the way you rocked it and some of the things that were, you know, going on pre. Pre marriage, he was just like, I've never seen. He's like, this man is a rock star.
- [66:27]
C
It was like. It was like. It was, like, sick because it was so. I think it was new to everyone. Like, we had no idea we'd sell out Ryan, Center, Mullins, like, all those spots. And like, everyone, like, every promoter was kind of trying to figure out, like.
- [66:40]
A
Were you making good money?
- [66:41]
C
How the hell are they doing?
- [66:43]
A
Yeah. Was that going to you, or is that, like, everyone got their hands on that?
- [66:46]
C
Oh, no, that was. That was basically, like, all, like, that was before I signed a deal. You know, I had, like, homies as managers, so I was just stacking the chips so we could put out more music. And like, eventually that's how, you know, we had the budget to, like, do what we did. And, like, we weren't doing, like, four touring vans. We do two tour buses and then tour bus of production. But that's. That was off doing, like 700 shows in two years before we were popping.
- [67:14]
A
That's crazy.
- [67:15]
C
We do two a night and then, like, go do a nightclub or DJ somewhere.
- [67:18]
A
Yeah. What's your favorite song to perform, like, from that era, you know?
- [67:23]
C
Like, it probably has to be driving me crazy, like, that Tabs Open always goes insane saying, like, the tour. We're doing like a mini tour coming here, Boston, Phoenix, la. And we're going to do Boston's way front to back.
- [67:39]
A
I want.
- [67:39]
C
I want in on that. So I'm hype on that. Like, we were.
- [67:43]
A
Remember that, bro. Bible reference, that. Yeah, dude. That was on Tabs Open. Was it? What was that on?
- [67:49]
C
That was Tab Open, boys.
- [67:51]
A
And I don't give a. I was like, this song, but, like, next one.
- [67:55]
C
But it's.
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A
It's.
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C
It's like, we've really never. Like, we've never done Boston's we're like, front to back. We probably played every record on it. I mean, that was like Mullen center when Dave's like, get back up there for an encore. I was like. I was like, brother, I don't even.
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B
I literally get the Steagalls talk. Clear.
- [68:14]
C
If I could get this.
- [68:15]
A
If I could get this. Hotel California, clear. Oh, that's really funny. I don't have any more.
- [68:22]
C
And then I think we just went up there.
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A
Do it again. Do it.
- [68:25]
C
Drive me crazy. And, like, something else. And he was like. He was.
- [68:29]
B
Drive you crazy with.
- [68:30]
C
I remember him being like, I don't give a. And I was like, all right, let's rock it again. Dante's hammered back there.
- [68:37]
A
Like, you know Dante. Dante accidentally. Remember when Kanye played Paris like, 50 times in a row at his show?
- [68:45]
C
Oh, yeah.
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A
Dante invented that by accident at our. Our Philly Blackout in Mad River. He was so up. He just played Paris seven times in a row, and it probably went insane. And the next day, like, Dave was like, this guy was so drunk, he played this song like, 10 different times. And like, the next day, they were like, kanye and Jay Z play Paris like, 25 times. There was like, look, bro, I'm a visionary.
- [69:09]
C
I told you. You can see him with his huge ass back.
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B
I told you, dude.
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A
The.
- [69:17]
B
The. Talking about old songs. Last time I saw Sammy, I was at. Fact. Do you remember this? I was at Factory 380. It was probably like 2am, 3am I was in the front of the bar on a booth, on a bench. Because All Night Longer was on.
- [69:32]
C
Oh, yeah.
- [69:33]
B
I was on a bench going just fucking nuts, right? And I know the owner at that bar. And Scotty comes running up to me, and he's like, john, sir, do you know this song? And I was like, I fucking know this song. Who does it? He's like the guy who sings it in the back. And I was like, sammy's here. He's like, yeah. Pulled me into the back room. And, like, you were in the middle of the floor going nuts. And I was like, holy. I haven't seen Sammy in, like, five, ten years, dude.
- [69:55]
C
That was classic.
- [69:56]
B
That is.
- [69:57]
A
That's like a serendipity moment right there. That's great. All Night Longer is like. I mean, that. You got yourself one of, like, the party records of an amp of a generation.
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C
Yeah, I mean, it's like. Like, people ask about, like, the streaming on that. I'm like, dude, it's nuts. Yeah, because it's like. It's one of those. It's like, it initially hit, like, they were supposed to go to radio with it, I think, like, 2013. And then they pumped the brakes on it, and it started to just go nuts at college. And then when kids were like, you know, a brother or sister, it was like that legacy hand down. And every frat was slapping that.
- [70:34]
A
Like, is that. Was that when you were with the label? So I do. Because I. I feel like I hear that in commercials and movies.
- [70:39]
C
Yeah. So like, 2000.
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A
Yeah. Okay.
- [70:43]
C
And then that's dope. Like, what's sick about that song is, like, it just. It never gets old, right? It doesn't.
- [70:49]
B
I mean, that really does.
- [70:50]
A
That might last 100, 200 years for all I know.
- [70:52]
C
And it's like. And the cool about that is it's like, you know, we got a massive publishing deal, which, like, we're working our way out of it. Once we're out of that, if that song's still cranking, it's like, I. I can.
- [71:03]
A
You're good.
- [71:05]
C
But that was. There's also a dude who's very prevalent on the radio who just snagged that hook. Flow rider.
- [71:13]
A
No way.
- [71:14]
C
So his new single is going to basically be mine. That's dope. Which is sick. And like, our.
- [71:19]
A
He's saying, like, I want to go all night longer.
- [71:22]
C
Verbatim hook. Wow. So we were. We were like, you know, I was, like, in the studio with my team, and, like, I just signed to Big Noise in LA with John Feldman, and, like, you know, I was, like, talking to my lawyers, like, well, we could do this or this, but, like, as long as it's still big, like, you know, chipping off at the publishing block. Why would we not? Yeah, it's like we were talking about with the Ash, where it's just gonna send more people back to the original. Or if, like, you're a OG Sammy fan, they'll literally be tight. They'll be like, this is like, not.
- [71:52]
A
Like, dude, so how did something like that come about? He. He. He reaches out first, he's made a song, and then once it cleared, like, so it's like, know you. Or he just heard that song, likes it, wants to do it.
- [72:03]
C
So, I mean, we've done. We've done a ton of dates together. And, like, we did, like, the Grand Cruise and, like, a bunch of college dates with, like, him and Bob and Waka and. But, like, what a.
- [72:14]
A
What a crew that is. Talk about a blunt rotation.
- [72:17]
C
Oh, dude.
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A
Walka flocka flow riders Holy.
- [72:21]
C
The Waka days were wild.
- [72:24]
A
He's a Cool guy.
- [72:25]
C
Take five years out of your life in six months. But, like, it. It's like, it's. It's complicated. Sometimes it goes through, like, the publishing company depending on, like, how willing the other people's managers are to reach out.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And usually they just get it suit to do it, but, like, I just couldn't really weigh a bad. Like, like, between pros and cons, I was like, dude, run it.
- [72:52]
A
Yeah, absolutely.
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C
It's like, that'll. That'll boost that thing up to like, 500 million streams. So knock that. That's crazy. And it's like, it also opens, like, it also opens a little bit of a lane for, like, if he's playing it somewhere, we're in the same town, we come out and blast it. It's like, Like, I always keep things like that open because, like, at first I had, you know, people in my corner that were like, no up, bro. This is the legacy song. And I'm like, but how to, like, keep that going? Like, because if he's putting that. I mean, he's so spun on the radio. I was like, bro, I was like, this. I was like, this could be lit, like. And I was like, I don't see any downside. It's like, so we cleared it.
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A
Yeah, that's. I mean, that's. In the Internet world. I'm always like, yeah, use my play. People who like, you know, DCMA or whatever and. Or, yeah, we own the rights to that. You can't use.
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C
It's weird. But then. Then. Then DJs can play whatever the they want. And it's like, what are the rules here? It's like, so I can't remix something to the point where you can't even tell it's the same beat, but I just use a hook and I'm getting cranked.
- [73:58]
A
I know.
- [73:59]
C
So it's kind of wild. But it's like everything. Everything is kind of like you have to have, like, attorneys are so important because, like, my team didn't think it was a great idea at first. And then he was like, we need as many eyes and ears on our projects as possible. So, like, why would we say no, right? There's really no, like, upside in us being like, no, you. This is ours, right? Like, it doesn't make any sense.
- [74:22]
B
Did you. Did you perform that song at Goudre's or Hay's wedding?
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C
Hay's wedding.
- [74:29]
A
That was cool. But good.
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B
Was up on this. On.
- [74:31]
C
Yeah, he was up on. He was up on Kachuk's shoulders, and it was Like, I mean, that was. That was a crazy wedding. That was like.
- [74:42]
B
I think that's where Dana got married. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Dana Beers got married.
- [74:46]
A
Yeah.
- [74:46]
C
Yeah, it was like, anytime it was like.
- [74:49]
A
Or anything from a hockey wedding, any of them, it's. It's like, the best scene I've ever seen.
- [74:53]
C
And it's like. Like, you would expect it to be, like, such a goon show. And it's not. It's like, everyone's in a good mood.
- [74:59]
A
That's kind of hockey players, though.
- [75:00]
C
Like, everyone's in a good mood. Everyone knows. Like, it's also one of those things, too, which is weird with, like, I guess it's like, mostly hockey dudes and, like, a lot of baseball dudes in basketball, where it's like, when you're there and you're, like a known figure, like, no one is, like, coming up to you to ask for pictures. Like, everyone's just kind of like, this is kind of like, we all know what time it is.
- [75:22]
A
Yeah.
- [75:22]
C
Like, let's not do that. And then once people start getting buckled, it's like, I had to get one.
- [75:30]
B
That's always a groove wedding where it was like, a buddy who works here who is Canadian, and, like, once the clock struck midnight, it was just lease fans being, like, ruins. I was like, all right, I think the cards turned into a pumpkin.
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A
All right, we'll wrap up on this. But I do have to tell you, how many. How many times do you think we have yelled Maddie Trump in our lives? Oh, yeah, like, 60,000.
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B
That was Fagawi 2010.
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C
Yeah.
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B
11, maybe. Yeah, bro. I would walk into every bar.
- [76:08]
C
So Maddie was like, my engineer. And then we started to just, like, co produce records together. And then he moved out. We did them. We did them all in Boston. Then he moved out to la. This is hilarious, too, because he was Maddie Trump at the time. His real name is Maddie Harris?
- [76:23]
A
Yes. And you just Wait, how did the Trump come about?
- [76:28]
C
Just, like, it was like, moniker. It was like his stage name that.
- [76:32]
A
That. That changed quite a bit in recent years.
- [76:34]
C
Went back to Harris.
- [76:38]
B
Harris four years ago was like, never mind. I'm something else now.
- [76:44]
C
It, like.
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B
Like, I'm son of a.
- [76:47]
C
You can't. Like, you can't. You can't even make that up.
- [76:50]
A
Like, it was.
- [76:50]
C
So my wifey pointed that out to me and I was like, oh, wow. If that's not the most ironic ever.
- [76:57]
A
Like, that's great. Nuts. All right, bro. Well, we appreciate you coming through. You always got a spot here. Thank you, man.
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C
My guys appreciate you, my dude.
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How did you get. How did you get the dog nickname?
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A
Well, there's a. There was a rapper singer named Nate Dog. He's dead.
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C
He died.
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A
You don't know any talk you might know.
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F
No, no, I know. No, I do.
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A
Okay.
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D
He has some smooth.
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A
So it's just like. Yeah, but what's so funny is that Nate's not Nate.
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D
I'm boring now.
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A
I'm old. Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
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F
So the more even. Oh, Eric Nathan.
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A
Yeah. Like, like, like, like I think we. I think Dave decided that, right, like you should be Nate. And you were like, but I'm not. Or something like that. Wasn't it like, oh, like how.
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D
Where that originally came?
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A
Because I think a lot of people assume your name is Nathan. Yeah.
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D
When. When he hired me on the phone, he said, come up with a name to blog under. Because at that time it was. Nobody used their real name. It was like variation like kfc K Marco fights. But nobody used their I was fight.
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I.
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And the only reason I know I was fired because my parents were not happy about it.
- [81:07]
A
I bet that was. I told him, I was like, you can do it, but we need your name. Because the joke was, he's Jewish, but not Jewish. So at the time, I wasn't even thinking about, like, I am making this kid make a really important decision. I was just like, that's gonna be your blog name. So that'll be a Joke. Not like, hey, are you willing to put your fucking very, like, unique, original government name on this?
- [81:27]
B
John Feidalberg.
- [81:29]
A
It's your father's name.
- [81:30]
B
It's like, father's name. Like. Like, Feidelberg work. Like, it was insurance.
- [81:34]
A
Like, yeah, it's like, we're just gonna make a mockery of this entire bloodline.
- [81:38]
B
I'm actually overstated, but we literally.
- [81:40]
A
I'm sure it was at least a, you know, consideration.
- [81:43]
B
You're using your real name?
- [81:44]
A
And I was like, yeah, well, Dave. Dave, like, said that to me. Like, it was like, yeah, you're gonna use your name. And I was like, nobody. I guess Jerry Thornton did. Like, yeah, other than that, nobody else did, so why am I. And I was like, I am still hiding. Like, I am not using my name.
- [81:59]
D
So I was too scared to be like. Like, Eric's cool.
- [82:01]
A
And so that would have sucked, to be honest. If it was just like, Eric, it would have never worked.
- [82:05]
D
Barcelona. So I just copied.
- [82:08]
F
Has, like, that much more pizzazz.
- [82:10]
A
No offense. Sorry. No, I think it does. I think I. I think I'm with you, dog. You should actually. You should have been Nate, dog.
- [82:17]
D
Well, at the time, we didn't know that I was the dog.
- [82:19]
A
Yeah, I guess that's true.
- [82:20]
D
I was 23 years old, I think, when he hired me. I'm a. A month and two days from being 37. If you want to. If you want to feel disgusting about yourself.
- [82:30]
A
Yeah, man, that's. I was 23, 24 when your birthday hit. I was like, John's 30. 36, 37. 30. Yeah, that's what it was. I was like, he's 36, 37.
- [82:41]
D
You know how I think about it?
- [82:42]
B
I was the opposite, where I was nervous to turn 37, and then once I turned 37, I was like, oh, yeah, who cares?
- [82:47]
D
We're at the point now where we've lived longer on the second half of. After graduating high school. Like, you graduated high school at 18. I've now been along, alive longer than what it took me to graduate high school. And that grosses me out because I had everybody's vivid memories of that, and now we're double that age.
- [83:06]
A
I mean, yeah, you're. You're. You know, but that doesn't. I probably got the back half of my life, bro. Yeah. Why does that gross you out?
- [83:12]
D
Just time. Time moves so fast.
- [83:14]
B
Like, what is. Like, what is. What is gonna happen?
- [83:18]
D
The deeper concept of, like, how life works freaks me out a little bit, where it's like, you start thinking, maybe not You. I started thinking, am I where I want to be? Like, how did 18 years pass so fast? Having vivid memories of, like, specific days of 18 years ago weirds me out.
- [83:35]
B
But I think that all comes from, like, the idea that, like, there is a finish.
- [83:39]
A
Yeah.
- [83:40]
B
Like, there's not. Like, there's at no point in your.
- [83:42]
A
Life, I'll tell you.
- [83:43]
D
Everybody's like, finishes well.
- [83:44]
B
Yeah, but like. Like, I think, like, when you're in high school, you're like, well, once I get job. A job, then I'm. Then life's done. And, like, it's just never gonna finish. So, like, why are you just.
- [83:55]
A
The worried about anything is more the scene of time at which, like, I feel like, well, it's weird. It's kind of, like, paradoxical. It's like there are times where I feel like time's flying, and then there are times where I feel like I'm.
- [84:07]
D
Like, what's it the day long.
- [84:08]
A
It's been a long decade, bro. But there are times where I'm like, Shay is 10. But then there are times I'm like, this is the longest decade of my life.
- [84:14]
B
But then.
- [84:15]
A
So kind of once you accept that.
- [84:16]
B
Like, well, it's just gonna do that forever.
- [84:18]
A
But so then the. The main thing that. That frees.
- [84:20]
D
But does that not fascinate you also?
- [84:21]
A
At the same time, fascination is not, like, in John's vocabulary. It's really not like, we'll talk about, like, weird, like, theories, and he's just like, I don't know, man. Yeah, like, just like, wake up, eat some food, do some workouts, like, make some jokes and die.
- [84:35]
B
That's all. Like, you gotta go to work tomorrow.
- [84:36]
C
Yeah, that's all.
- [84:37]
B
That's all.
- [84:37]
A
Life is my thing. Maybe. Maybe it's. Maybe. Maybe it's having kids when I feel like, how fast time is going. Because I also think this makes sense. It's like when you're five years old, a year is one fifth of the entire time you've been on the planet. Now, a year is 1/40 of the time I've been on the planet. So I think, like, logically it makes sense that it feels like time is going faster, you know? So I feel like, wow, that went like, these past few years went quick. And everyone who's older than you is like. And it only gets worse. So I feel like you, You. I'm gonna blink and be like, 60, you know?
- [85:10]
B
But, like, you might.
- [85:11]
A
Yeah, but that just makes me feel like I need to make. I need to do more stuff with My kids. I need to make more memories. I need to do more things because it's just gonna be over quickly, which.
- [85:19]
B
It probably will be. But, like, the, like, hopefully not. Well, I mean, it might feel quick because it's gonna go because you're gonna enjoy it. So it'll feel fast. But, like, when you're. Once you. Once you get a little older and you realize it's all just the same repeating.
- [85:36]
A
Yeah.
- [85:36]
B
Like.
- [85:37]
A
Yep.
- [85:37]
B
It's just like, you're just gonna do it again.
- [85:39]
A
But how about this?
- [85:40]
D
So what about the fact that you have free will and doesn't have to be the whole thing ever?
- [85:44]
B
The same thing every day, but it's going to, like. And I. I genuinely don't mean this in a negative way.
- [85:49]
A
Just, like, everything that happens, an acceptance way.
- [85:51]
B
It's just like, like, you're gonna go, oh, I've done something like this before. And you're gonna just. You feel like you're like, all right, I get this. I've done this.
- [85:58]
A
My, My thing is, I. I'm probably. I think I'm gonna die in my 70s.
- [86:02]
B
Okay.
- [86:03]
A
I don't think I'm gonna live that long. So I'm officially on the back half of my life in my, in my idea. I also generally think maybe I just get hit by a bus or something, but I would imagine the final years of my life as I'm sickly or whatever. So let's chop. Like, you get 5 to 10 off of that. Five years is gonna suck. Five years before that is gonna be the, the breakdown. Right? So now I'm at, like, 60. So I've got, like. I got, like, 15 years, dude. Do you get to, like, do you know, like, hold on, hold on.
- [86:32]
D
Do you get intrusive thoughts about that? Like, because you have kids, you're like. Do you go through that in your head?
- [86:37]
A
Like, I have never had a. A. What do you. What do you mean by, like, suicide? No, no, no, no, no, no.
- [86:43]
D
Like, you just start thinking, like, I could die tomorrow.
- [86:46]
A
It's crazy.
- [86:47]
D
I could die tomorrow.
- [86:48]
A
Like, are we talking about killing ourselves?
- [86:51]
D
It kind of is. Like, I, I. I'll lay awake at night and, like, I'll write out, like, you know, obituaries or, like, how else.
- [86:58]
A
Oh, no, that's gay and crazy.
- [87:00]
B
I know. I've done that.
- [87:01]
A
How you guys have written your own others.
- [87:04]
D
Others.
- [87:05]
A
Okay, that's a little different.
- [87:06]
B
Are you typing?
- [87:07]
A
I just.
- [87:08]
D
No, no, in my head. Intrusive thoughts.
- [87:10]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
- [87:10]
B
Like, what.
- [87:11]
D
What if I got cancer tomorrow? Like, how would I Announce it. Like, how would I feel?
- [87:17]
A
That's a little different.
- [87:18]
D
I start crying.
- [87:20]
A
Never. I guess I've never really done that either. I, I can proudly say I've never had a suicide thought. Like a real life suicide thought. I have had no. Very recently, for the first time, I think it's different. I had a.
- [87:29]
D
Being suicidal and having suicidal thoughts, two very different things. I've thought about the concept of killing myself, but I'm not suicidal.
- [87:37]
A
Yeah. I never had a moment. I was like, I think I should kill myself. I definitely, very recently, I had a thought of, like, the only way, like, this is just gonna keep going. So the only way to, like, get rid of the stress is, like, to not have life anymore. It was more of an acceptance thing. It's like, there are things in life that are always going to be stressful. So as long as you're alive, you're going to be stressful. Just it is like. Or stop being stressed because, you know. Yeah, but then I was like, but the true only way, because I was like, what if. What? These people just run away, you know, they're just like, they start fresh or whatever. And I was like, I can't do that. The only, the only way to really put an end to this is to.
- [88:09]
B
Put an end to this. Just to be clear, that's a suicidal thought.
- [88:15]
A
That just happened. But I'm saying I see you on the list.
- [88:20]
B
Welcome, welcome.
- [88:22]
A
We've been waiting for you. But I, But I, I, Yeah, that was like, literally like a week ago.
- [88:28]
B
So. Described the most in detailed suicidal thought of all time.
- [88:34]
A
I was like, when it happened, I was like, there it is.
- [88:38]
B
Okay. Yeah.
- [88:39]
A
Because I used to think to myself, especially in the, in the mental health era, where people are, like, pretty openly talking about that. I was like, I have never been like, what if I just jump off this building? What if I walk into. Yeah, you said that, like, every building.
- [88:51]
B
You walk by, I was Jason Bourne. And I remember thinking, like, every room I walked into.
- [88:55]
A
Yeah, but you were, you were doing that just to be a weirdo or like, you were actually thinking about it.
- [88:59]
B
I mean, it was like, it was.
- [89:00]
D
How easy it is to do it.
- [89:02]
B
It wasn't. It was never a conscious thought. Like, it was never like, I want to kill myself. But, like, I could. I would always have, like, yeah, here's how I'm gonna do it.
- [89:11]
A
Here's how I'll do it. Right.
- [89:12]
B
And I would have that every day, every room.
- [89:14]
A
Yeah. I never, I, I remember hearing that and being like, I've never Thought that.
- [89:18]
D
And that's.
- [89:19]
A
Closest I ever got was this past week. I wish there'd be. You know, it would be terrible for us.
- [89:24]
C
No, no.
- [89:25]
F
I. Yeah.
- [89:27]
B
Are you mortified for us or with us?
- [89:29]
D
I don't think she knew people had these thoughts.
- [89:31]
A
No, no, no.
- [89:32]
F
Well, there's times when I'm like, really dark and I'll see how people could get there, and it'll. But it'll be. Because it's like I'm on my period. I haven't slept. I'm hungover. Like, I'm like, oh, it's a chemical.
- [89:46]
A
Yeah.
- [89:46]
F
Thing that I'm like, I'm so lucky to not be stuck in that.
- [89:50]
B
Yeah.
- [89:52]
F
It's a cycle.
- [89:53]
A
It's when it's. When it's, you know, beautiful night, sunset on vacation, and you're having those thoughts that it's like. Yeah. Yeah.
- [90:00]
B
But it's kind of. It's kind of like what I was saying earlier where, like, the old older you get, the more you just get used to shit. Where, like, I still have those days. I just don't let them. But, like, I don't let them snowball.
- [90:10]
D
I had to change my whole psyche. I had to change my whole mindset from just. I mean, I talked about it last time. Just years of mental abuse that I didn't know that I was going through.
- [90:20]
A
Yeah.
- [90:21]
D
Where. And that's how I became the dog, more or less. I thought that was normal behavior because my parents fucked me up so bad. It's taken, like, a lot now that I'm way more subdued.
- [90:31]
A
Can I ask you a question? Do your parents hear when you say that stuff? I. I'm.
- [90:35]
D
I don't know and I don't care.
- [90:38]
A
Like, you don't talk to them.
- [90:39]
D
I'm not. No contact. Like, I'll see them at Thanksgiving and like.
- [90:42]
A
Wow. I didn't know it got to that level. Yeah.
- [90:44]
D
Yeah.
- [90:44]
A
Do you want. Do you like it that way?
- [90:46]
D
It's the only way they're. The alternative is there's no.
- [90:50]
A
There's no, like, chance you could. It's bad.
- [90:52]
D
Yeah. It took a long time to. Not a long time to get there. A long time. You want to have a relationship with your parents like you want. And some. It's just sometimes it's not possible. So I see them at, like, Thanksgiving and, like, my nephew's, like, birthday parties and stuff. We don't talk. Like, it's sad.
- [91:10]
A
Did you have like a. A final. Were you ever, like, you guys, like, you me up and like, a storm out and Then you, you know, like a final. A lot of.
- [91:22]
D
Like after. So through college, after college, like, everything was bad. Like always. Every time I was home, just monster blow ups, just crazy toxicity. And that's when I realized I was like, this isn't normal. Like, this is bad. And it's just, it progressively got worse.
- [91:41]
A
Well, I was gonna ask if your siblings, like have a similar relationship or is it.
- [91:45]
D
They have a better relationship than I do. I'm the youngest.
- [91:50]
A
I. Yeah, they have kids too. It's like they're the grandparents.
- [91:54]
D
I, I don't know what they see. I, I don't, I don't. I can't worry about it.
- [91:58]
A
Seeing them mom and dad, I don't really get what you see.
- [92:01]
B
It got it.
- [92:02]
D
It's bad. I, I don't know.
- [92:04]
A
That sucks, man. Being a, a father now, I'm like, I would be, I don't know. It would be very upsetting.
- [92:10]
D
You just have to end.
- [92:11]
A
Shankigan didn't want to do anything with me.
- [92:13]
D
There's like the Noah Khan lyric. It's like I don't forgive my parents, parents for what they did to them. I think it's generational like that. I think I know my dad's parents. Huge pieces of. Never was a fan of them and they him up pretty bad.
- [92:28]
F
Does that make you like forgive them more or.
- [92:31]
A
No?
- [92:32]
D
Because at some point you take personal responsibility and you break the cycle and.
- [92:35]
A
It'S just like, that's like that. The mom an unknown number. At one point the producers like, so she texted like. Or yeah, she texted her, you're an anorexic piece of like flat ass, no tits, no boys like you. And then you hear the producer off mic, off camera, chime in like, do you think that you were projecting because like you're anorexic. And, and she goes, yeah, I mean, I don't eat. I guess I am anorexic.
- [92:58]
B
So that's all are doing.
- [93:00]
D
Yeah, we don't. I'm sure you've already talked about it when she was in jail manipulating her kid via email going, you didn't say good morning, but I forgive you. I what? That was the most mad. That whole documentary made me like, I.
- [93:14]
A
I, oh, there's a, there's a great meme floating around right now though. It's just a picture of her face with the brightness of the phone. And it's like me leaving bad reviews on my favorite bars so that they'll be less crowded.
- [93:25]
D
Dude, when, when they do, they make her do reenactments.
- [93:29]
A
Yeah.
- [93:29]
D
Like go sit on the couch and act like you're texting and she's acting like she's texting you ugly. Go kill yourself. To her 13 year old daughter.
- [93:37]
A
That everyone in that like, everyone who like created everything associated with that.
- [93:40]
D
I don't like that they brought the kids back for it. The whole thing's up small town idiots.
- [93:46]
A
The, the, the poker match of the century. That was one of the biggest, I think, showdowns we've ever had. Just the amount of time that it took to build up to it. Right. I mean a decade. Yeah. I'm trying to think of like another decade long feud or rivalry or whatever that, that had the definitive like ending. Yeah.
- [94:06]
D
I, I didn't think you would have the juice. And I said this at the table when Dave offered me the buyout. I was like, I could take it now and it wouldn't really matter. Ten years ago you would hold over my head forever. But Dave, so not in the mix with us anymore that it probably wouldn't have mattered if I actually, I was.
- [94:22]
A
So I was in and out of the stream. There was a point where he was up big and said like, I'll let you out right now. Yeah.
- [94:26]
D
He had like 2 to 1 chip lead for the full 20k.
- [94:29]
A
Oh wow. He was gonna let you out. But it was just like.
- [94:31]
D
I think he knew I had to say no. But again I said at the table, I was like, you're so not in the mix anymore. It probably wouldn't matter if I just took it anyway.
- [94:39]
A
Like I understand why you wouldn't take that. But like in six months when it's like I haven't seen Dave.
- [94:44]
D
Yeah.
- [94:44]
A
And he has talked about me. I'd rather have.
- [94:45]
D
So that's why I thought it would have. Not a ton of juice is because I don't think.
- [94:50]
A
Bless us.
- [94:51]
B
Thank you.
- [94:51]
D
I don't think new stoolies know the history. I don't think they know. I don't think they know that.
- [94:56]
A
Like every time I tuned in, it had anywhere between 12 and 18,000.
- [94:59]
D
It got up to like 23,000 concurrence, which is nuts though.
- [95:02]
A
For three hours.
- [95:03]
D
Yeah, it did really well.
- [95:05]
A
Yeah. So that's a good part.
- [95:06]
D
People were saying I paid 20k to hang out with Dave. I thought that was a little mean.
- [95:11]
A
Well, dude, there was a point.
- [95:12]
B
I actually want the. A message to Dave as I'm holding up my own mic. I think, I think, I think the barstool New York office should get. Oh my God. Should get your 20K. You know how, how like in the NFL, if you get a fine, it goes to, like, the charities. Yeah, like, we're the charity Barstool. New York should get the 20.
- [95:36]
A
Your.
- [95:36]
B
Your 20 grand and we can use.
- [95:37]
A
It as we see fit.
- [95:38]
B
At least we can get some new mic stands or something.
- [95:41]
D
It's not the worst idea.
- [95:43]
A
I. I thought the. So there was a moment where I, When I first tuned in, Nate was up and then went on a run where you were up. What. What do you think I peaked at?
- [95:55]
D
Like, I had 32K.
- [95:57]
A
That's where I was 8K.
- [95:58]
B
I obviously don't understand poker because I also saw that point and I, I was like, oh, Nate won.
- [96:02]
C
It was.
- [96:02]
A
Oh, I. It was over. No, you do understand poker. You do. It just didn't go that way.
- [96:09]
B
I didn't, I didn't even check. I actually did the same thing I did last night, which I, I turned off the game with at the 2 minute warning or 2:30 left, where I went at Bills, can't do this.
- [96:17]
A
Yeah.
- [96:18]
B
And I went, ah, Dave can't do this. And people compared me to Josh Allen and Dave Porter.
- [96:22]
A
I made a mistake. So I go back and forth between, like, don't date, doubt. Don't doubt Dave, like, ever. And also, like, that should have never happened. You know, that's happened a million times.
- [96:32]
D
It was 28 to 3. It was. I did everything in my power.
- [96:35]
A
So when that, when you were up 32.8, I. I was what I was thinking, this is probably done. And then the waitress, the. The dealer just was talking, talking, talking, tell me about the pizza and tell me about this. And people in the chat were like, Nate has paid this woman to talk to distract Dave because she just kept asking him questions about pizza and Dave and, And. And everyone was like, this is. This is gonna, like, Nate's gonna win because of this, you know? And I was tweeting like, no, this is the worst thing that can happen for Nate because that's going to be Dave's scapegoat. That's gonna be. The way he doesn't give Nate any credit is if that woman wasn't talking to me, blah, blah, blah. But I was speaking in terms of, like, not, like, if Nate goes on to win this, this is going to be Dave's spins on. I was like, this is an L for Dave and Nate's not gonna get the credit he deserves because blah, blah. And I tuned out. And by the time I came back in, it was like, tied. And then it just. I was like, maybe I Don't know. Poker or. I don't know. But I couldn't believe a few things did me in.
- [97:35]
D
I didn't have the killer instinct that I needed. I played well. I played well for the first hour, hour and a half. I just kept chipping away, chipping away, chipping away, chipping away. And every chance I had to put it away, I folded.
- [97:48]
A
Yeah.
- [97:48]
D
With the thinking, I don't need to play big pots against Dave. I can just chip him down for another three hours.
- [97:54]
A
So I don't know if you saw this part. This was. It was. This is why this fat. This matchup is fascinating. This is why, if you do know the history, there was some real, like, interesting behind it, because theoret. Theoretically speaking, Nate plays more poker, knows the numbers, the percentages, all that plays enough that he should win. Dave has always been like, I will mentally bully this guy around. And I was like, which one is going to win? And I mean, we know what ended up happening. But. But the way it, like, literally unfolded, Nate was correct. And Dave even said so. Dave went all in. Nate had a pair of queens and should have called and would have won. But Nate was like, you know, if he had, like three of a kind or something, he would have done it, but it was just a pair or whatever. And he was like, you don't want to sit here all night. I can sit here for 20 hours. I know you. He already. Dave went all in because he got bored. He was like, I need to. I need to mix this up. So the logic of, I will just ride this out because Dave is richer, more popular, whatever, he's not going to want to be here with me. That is sound logic. But it forced Nate to play bad poker. Yes. That's what Dave was banking, you know, And Nate at one point says that he said the phrase, even if I have the better hand, what's the point of gambling that? And I was like, that's. Poker is gambling on if you have the better hand and you. If you know you have it. And. And the announcers, of course, you know, it's easy to say from the announcer point of view, but he said, what? Why would I do that? And they went to win, you know, and it's sort of like, I get where he was. And they. And Dave afterwards said, you're right. Like, I. I don't like, that's sound thinking, you know, but it. It ended up making you make a bad play. So going like, if. If you were not playing against Dave, if it was just another guy, you would have Gone.
- [99:36]
D
Flick it in.
- [99:37]
A
Yeah, right. Right. It's.
- [99:38]
C
It's.
- [99:39]
A
So that is why it was interesting, is like, he's the boss. He is. Has more money, and the 20k doesn't matter. It matters to Nate. But Dave was like, I knew all of this. Like, that's why I behaved the way I did. So it's like, you got to give.
- [99:52]
D
Me the queen's hand. Was annoying, too, because I guess he was, like, trying to, like, reverse tell. He started, like, tying his shoe, and he was acting all relaxed, and usually that's, like, if you act so casual, it means you have it. I think Dave didn't. I think Dave thought he had it. Didn't know that I had.
- [100:07]
A
That's the other thing you don't have, like, it's. It's wild card. I mean, Dave folded three of a kind when the. The bet was to him. Yeah. So Nate didn't force him to do anything. What do you want to bet? And he was like, I fold. Yeah. He had three of a kind and said, I fold. And he goes. And then as soon as he did it, he went, wait, was that supposed to be a check? Yeah. And Nate was like, I wish you bet. Because I was gonna go like, yeah. Oh, well, you know, how are you supposed to. You know, how can you. How can you gauge anything if the guy you might be like.
- [100:34]
D
And so then you might have a.
- [100:35]
A
Royal flush, and he might just be.
- [100:36]
C
I'm getting.
- [100:37]
D
I'm getting the most. Obviously, I folded kings, and that was a winner. Also, that wasn't for the whole tournament, but more or less, it would have been for it.
- [100:43]
A
He had pocket kings.
- [100:44]
D
It was just a bad fold. So to that point.
- [100:47]
A
To that.
- [100:48]
D
The reason is, to that point, anytime Dave took that line, meaning, like, how he played that hand with any sort of aggression at all. He had it. He just had it.
- [100:57]
A
He was betting, like, a thousand. Right.
- [100:59]
D
It didn't matter because he just used the bet. Same bet, sizing regardless. But any. He raised flop. He bet turn. He bet river. And anytime he'd done that for the full two hours before that, he just had it. And I had kings. I start, like, laughing at the table. Like, this is ridiculous. Like, obviously, I want to call, but it's like, he's had it. Every single time he's done this. What's the point of calling knowing that I'm going to lose? Obviously, it. The one time I was wrong. He has it. The announcers are being dickheads for the next.
- [101:24]
A
So what? So you really got this beef with.
- [101:26]
D
These Announcers, I hate them.
- [101:28]
A
I, I can understand if they were. They, they said to me, I, we were pandering to Dave.
- [101:32]
D
They told me they were pandering to Dave and the YouTube chat. So I hate them.
- [101:35]
A
That would bother me. And, and you are entitled, you're entitled to hate them, I guess. But in the name of, like, you are, you should. I know what's going on here. Part of you is saying, well, it did really good numbers and that's all that matters because that's what you need to say when you lose. I've done that as well. I've done something embarrassing on camera matters, but I'm happy everyone's talking about, about it. You're like, oh, well, you know, I was, you know, but it's like, I would prefer to want to win, you know, So I get what's going on there. But there also is a real element to that of like, that was good numbers and there is interest. So knowing that if you are going to keep doing poker, you need to like people like that. Can't burn that bridge. If you, they were, you know, everyone else seemed to like them. If you want to do another event, you need announcers. You need those guys.
- [102:21]
D
I don't, I just don't. In general, you don't like it either when people pander? I think it's the lowest form of anything. Like being a pick me person. I think that's like, just be normal. Like, guess what? Dave ain't watching. He. He's not going to know that you said something nice about it, that's for sure.
- [102:35]
A
Yeah. So. I don't know.
- [102:36]
D
I hate them.
- [102:36]
B
Yeah, no, I, I very much get that. Like, it is. I, I get, I get both sides. Like, I get what they're doing where they're like, I don't really live in this world. I'm just gonna play up the. Like, you play to your audience. Like, that's a phrase you play to your audience. It is what your audience likes. You're going to play to them. But I get being on the other end and being like, well, this is annoying, you guys.
- [102:54]
D
They spent two hours just belittling me.
- [102:57]
A
I don't have to like them. No, you're right. You're right. But I also, I really do think, I mean, we talked about it for a long time, but I think you should play poker and make poker content every single day of your life.
- [103:11]
D
Can't do it. It's not legal.
- [103:12]
A
What does that mean, though? I've heard that, but what is that?
- [103:15]
D
Like, you can't I tried to do it on a. So online poker is not regulated in New York.
- [103:21]
C
And.
- [103:21]
A
But I'm just saying, like, what if you were to just make a video being like, I'm gonna walk through a hypothetical hand, why did I fold my kings? Like, here's the situation where you should fold kings here. Why? Like, how. You know what I mean? If you were. If someone were to make contacts, what's the worst hand you can get and what's the best flop?
- [103:40]
D
I have a lot of credibility as a poker coach at this point. I don't know if I would genuinely.
- [103:44]
F
Genuinely like to learn poker. If you want to teach me, we can film it.
- [103:47]
D
I'd love to teach.
- [103:48]
A
Yeah. Even something like that, like teach a novice or like, whatever. Like, I just think that there is a rabid fan base for that that would listen to. I don't know, you could even be like, these are my favorite poker chips. This is my favorite brand of like, I don't know, just like everything poker, there's just something to do in that world every day that you have the interest in. You like it. You're going to be doing it anyway. It would be a lot easier if you could just be like, I'm going to play poker and film it and. Yeah. Can you do that in certain states?
- [104:15]
D
Poker, we can't. I mean, I've talked to Jack about it. It's tough.
- [104:19]
A
Is that it's like a DraftKings or whatever. Yeah. But like they do DraftKings couldn't like they did the poker tournament.
- [104:29]
D
So hopefully we'll do more of those.
- [104:30]
A
Yeah.
- [104:30]
D
We have the table. We know that it works. We know it does. Good numbies. DraftKings seemed pretty happy about it. I mean, it's a two hour drive to Foxwoods. We can't do it in New York. Like, it has to be at a regular.
- [104:40]
A
Could you do it in New Jersey?
- [104:42]
D
But I think we have to have like a DraftKings casino there or whatever there.
- [104:46]
A
It's.
- [104:46]
D
I don't know, it's a whole thing. So. Yeah, it did really well. Hope people liked it.
- [104:51]
A
Yeah, I mean, I. There's something about poker. Like everybody watched in that early 2000s, like World Series of Poker, money maker era. Everybody tried it. What's. It's kind of like golf in a way. Regular people can do it, you know.
- [105:05]
D
I'll tell you why the streams do so well is because you can see the cards so people think that they're geniuses. Where if you make a bad fold like I did with the Kings, like, let's just say in this scenario, I was correct.
- [105:17]
A
Yeah. Holy. I think. Didn't Dave do that in the PO in the tournament? Didn't he have, like, a monster.
- [105:23]
D
He had a couple really good folds.
- [105:24]
A
Yeah. And they get all the cred in the world. Yeah.
- [105:26]
D
That's why the streams do so well, though, because the chat, like, the viewers. The chat, they're always on the right side of it.
- [105:32]
A
Yeah.
- [105:32]
D
They're never wrong.
- [105:33]
A
Yeah.
- [105:33]
D
Because they can see the car.
- [105:34]
A
I feel like ESPN used to do every now and then a bunch blind hand. Right.
- [105:37]
D
It would be like jack links beef jerky, like, hand of the whatever.
- [105:40]
A
But that makes it a lot different when you don't know either. You know, I just think there's, like, you. You've established that that's what you want to do. That's what. What your angle would be. Go do it, man. Yeah.
- [105:51]
D
Dave said I should be in jail for selling action to World Series of Poker.
- [105:56]
A
Yeah. But now is almost the time that, like. Yeah, listen, would you have Safe moon.
- [106:00]
D
Guy thinks I should be in jail.
- [106:05]
A
I think it's like, would you prefer to just smoke him and have everyone be like, I want to learn poker from this guy? Sure, I guess. But also, there's probably something more. There's some more juice around it. If it's like, watch me prove you.
- [106:15]
D
Wrong, Hopefully I get redemption. Hopefully I play for 20k again next year.
- [106:19]
A
Right.
- [106:20]
F
The most you've ever lost in one.
- [106:22]
D
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say before that, the most I lost was 10k. And now I lost. You ever want in, like, one session, like, 18k?
- [106:34]
A
Sound like that was the toughest part of this whole thing was when you went on unnamed. They. After it was. It was just like Nate said something like, yeah, the money. It's a lot of money. Like, it doesn't, like, really impact my life, but, like, yeah, what I. I wish I had it to, like, move into a new apartment. And Dave turned that into, yeah, you don't need the money, but you're living in a tenement.
- [106:56]
B
You're living in filth and squalor, and.
- [106:57]
A
You wish you could move, but you don't have enough money, but you don't need it. And it was. Because I don't know what was worse in the very beginning, like, right after you lost, Dave was almost being nice, and I was like, he felt bad. Yeah. Like, that almost would make me be like. Like, even Dave, like, should be dancing on my grave. And he's like, I'm sorry he didn't expect to win. He was stunned that he won and he felt he was offering to do the bet and all that. And I was like, wow, Dave is being like, really, like, nice about this, but in a weird way that's like, patronizing. And then it took like. Then like, I woke up the next morning and his first tweet of the day was like, I dominated him. I belittled him. And I was like, okay.
- [107:31]
D
The real sucker was Austin. Austin does all the clips for Dave. How'd the numbers do? He goes, great. The clips are doing great. He goes, didn't tag you in a single one. I was like, oh, you're such an Austin.
- [107:42]
A
That was. Yeah, that's par for the course. And then what they they that you guys bet it on Yukon?
- [107:49]
D
He wanted to do one spin of a roulette, like black or red, but the gaming commission said we couldn't film it. And, like, what's the point of doing it if you can't film it? So then he's like, I'll just put it on a bed on DraftKings. And he just put on like a noon Syracuse Yukon game. The over. I don't know. And it went under by 100 points. So he did tweet. I'm so sorry. I tried everything. I think he was being serious. I really wanted you to keep this money.
- [108:14]
A
It was the most I've ever seen Dave, like, be like, I won, but I almost wish I didn't. It's.
- [108:21]
D
It's contract season, so I'll be like, why you just add 20k to my contract. Just call it even.
- [108:26]
B
Yeah. Yeah, that's going to happen now.
- [108:28]
A
Yeah. I'm sure Dave will just capitulate to that.
- [108:30]
D
Yeah, maybe I had 300k. Maybe a little equity back pay was.
- [108:34]
A
Was there like. Like when he was like, yeah, I'm calling. What. Like, what did you. You did you. Did you think you had that hand one or what? What like, what was that initial emotion?
- [108:44]
D
I'm glad it's over. Like, just get me out of here.
- [108:48]
A
Just. Yeah, because it was kind of a slow bleed at that point. Like you. So we really.
- [108:51]
D
This is where I up is we playing 100, 100, 200, which is like standard stakes for 20k start. Like each to start with, we raised it to 1, 300, 300 just to make it a little more interesting. And then we made it 2 4, which is like super high stakes and very shallow. And so it like raises the variance.
- [109:13]
A
And Dave would shallow mean like, not.
- [109:16]
D
As many big blinds. Like, not as much Wiggle room. Like you're playing a lot shallower stacks and it raises the variance. So I. If you're a skilled player, you want to play as deep as possible, which is what we started with. 100, 200. The higher you grace the stakes, the less like skill. It becomes more of a luck factor. I know this sounds like a cope or whatever. It's just the way it is. Like, it's. And Dave ran extremely hot when we made it, when we made it 200, 400. And it was just terrible timing for me. It could have been the opposite. Like, obviously.
- [109:48]
A
Well, that's what's inherently funny about poker is like, you can be really good, but if they get cards and you don't like, yeah, you can bluff your way and do, you know, certainly best players. I mean, none of this would happen.
- [110:00]
D
If somebody, Chris Moneymaker, doesn't get super lucky. With 10 people left in the 2005 main event. Ivy gone, best player in the world. Ivy gone, Moneymaker goes on to win the whole tournament. Like, none of this is possible without that happening. So, yeah, right. The worst player wins not all the time, but can win enough of the time. And then Dave does the whole. If we played 100 times, you might be lucky to win two. I said we'll do a best to set. I wish I had infinite money. I would play Dave for the highest stakes possible. Like, I, I, oh, this is gonna be cut by Neely Boy. But yeah, I would play him as much as I could. I just can't afford the stakes that Dave would require to play.
- [110:34]
A
I just feel like there's, you know, Dave is obviously a huge draw. I don't know if you're gonna get the same numbers, but, like, you mean.
- [110:40]
D
Me versus Joe Schmo?
- [110:43]
A
You know, it doesn't have to be Dave and it can't be Joe Schmo. It's gotta be like somewhere in the middle. Yeah, like you, that's how you just start out. It's not gonna get 18,000. What I want to do is we.
- [110:52]
D
Have the table, we know the tech now. It went fairly smoothly. We can go up to Foxwoods and we can film for 12 hours or two days, six hours each day, and cut those down into hour long episodes. Just like the old Poker After Dark episodes or like High Stakes Poker. That would air, you know, late at night. We can do that ourselves. We can put out an hour episode a week, and it would do great numbers and it would take two days of filming.
- [111:15]
A
Let's go.
- [111:16]
D
So that's what I want to do.
- [111:17]
A
Sounds like a little bit more than you realize, though. If you. If you told people you got to go Foxwood's to 12 hour days, I don't think they'd be pumped about it.
- [111:22]
D
Six. We can do six and six even.
- [111:24]
A
I'm just saying.
- [111:24]
D
Who's not gonna be thrilled?
- [111:25]
A
I don't know. If someone was like, yo, you gotta go play poker for six.
- [111:29]
D
They don't have to volunteer.
- [111:30]
A
I'm just saying. Yes, but those are the things you should be doing. I. I know the. The nadav from your mom's house originally is doing like a poker thing where they just have all the comedians stop by and play. Like, it's. It's something you can get people to do because it is easy enough to. Just like you were saying, you don't know how to play. But if someone's like, yeah, just play and throw some chips and you physically can do it. It's not like I don't know how to swing a bat or a club or whatever. It's like, you can. If.
- [111:53]
D
If we just put out episodes every week, I. I think they would do very well on.
- [111:58]
B
So do it, bro.
- [111:59]
D
Yeah, I need to talk to Foxwoods and Giraffe Kings and Jack McCarthy.
- [112:02]
A
I mean, I get that, yes, there is a lot of moving parts there, but I think I saw a video the other day. There's so much. It was just filled. Hell, news being like, here's the times you should fold pocket aces is. I don't know, it's pretty interesting. You can just talk about those things and like, you know, for the people who love it, they will probably listen to anything and maybe you're wrong or they think you're stupid and they. But they're watching, you know. Yeah.
- [112:24]
F
Is there some kind of, like, legal thing where it's thought, like, you have to get gambling stuff approved?
- [112:32]
A
Yeah.
- [112:32]
D
We had to go through, like, gaming commission.
- [112:33]
A
And what if it's chips? Like, can you do that?
- [112:36]
F
And it's just like a game. Like.
- [112:37]
D
But we need the table.
- [112:38]
A
It's.
- [112:39]
D
We need the table with the technology and the.
- [112:40]
A
That's another thing. I don't think you do.
- [112:42]
D
No, we do. I don't think for it to work. You do. I swear to you. I swear to you.
- [112:45]
A
No, but I mean, yeah, listen, in.
- [112:46]
D
A perfect world, but like, you cannot do it without the tech we had there and make it work.
- [112:51]
A
Why? What tech do you need?
- [112:53]
D
So the cards go into the card reader, which puts the graphics onto the screen. When we did it manually here it was. And it was 10 minutes worth of content that it was like 20 hours worth of. It would be literally impossible to do it without that.
- [113:08]
A
So you can't just be like, no, here are my cards.
- [113:11]
D
I promise. Producer behind you just being like kj, I promise you. Plus it does like the equity like the percentages on the screen which you need. It does the pot you need.
- [113:20]
A
But that's like to do it perfect.
- [113:21]
D
Nobody would watch it if it wasn't like that. I promise.
- [113:23]
A
Well, these are the, you know, these are things you have to do in the beginning.
- [113:26]
D
We also just have it. We can just go. We're going to try to go do it.
- [113:29]
A
Yeah, I mean, yeah, get it done. But. But it's like yeah, I would love to have the percentages and the outs without it.
- [113:34]
D
It's unwatchable.
- [113:36]
A
You know what's unwatchable? Nothing. If you don't make anything.
- [113:40]
D
Yeah. But we also don't want to waste people's, you know, time and just put out a shitty.
- [113:45]
A
I mean you gotta find like the right people who are eager to, to make content and do it and all that stuff.
- [113:49]
D
We have it readily available.
- [113:51]
A
It's just.
- [113:52]
D
Let's do it.
- [113:53]
A
Yeah. Yeah. Well I hope that. That. I hope that. And I think did the tournament the night before do well? Yes. Yeah. So I mean there is an interest.
- [114:01]
D
Shout out to the owner of DraftKings for eliminating Jeff Nadu in fourth when top three paid. That was tough.
- [114:07]
A
Wait, say it again. What happened?
- [114:08]
D
The like Max from Chicago couldn't come so like CEO of DraftKings, President of DraftKings Bajillionaire. He. He hopped in and he ended up finishing third and top. Top three paid and finished fourth and he.
- [114:23]
A
What was, what was the payout of your fourth?
- [114:25]
D
So third was 5k, second was 15k, first was 30k. Nadu got in Ace Jack versus Ace 4 for on the River and Nadu would had a big chip lead if he won that, you know, maybe would have gone on to win it and just the. The guy worth a billion dollars finished third for 5K.
- [114:43]
A
Does that, does two month Ethan know poker or was that like a fluke? He does poker play. Yeah. Why don't you do with him?
- [114:50]
D
I mean I could.
- [114:51]
A
He. I feel like you know again I.
- [114:53]
D
Could talk to you about me but.
- [114:54]
A
Like Nate versus Ethan after, especially after he won the tournament would have, you know, some juice.
- [115:00]
D
I mean I played Dave.
- [115:01]
A
Yeah. I'm saying I'll play anybody.
- [115:05]
D
Yeah, I would love to play anybody.
- [115:06]
A
I think like you versus Ethan right now would have not the general public, but the, the poker enthusiasts.
- [115:11]
D
Yeah, I'll play anybody that works here.
- [115:13]
A
What about anybody like or open challenge to anybody on the Internet if they played?
- [115:18]
D
I mean, I, I need to get money, but yeah.
- [115:21]
A
Yeah. All right, so this is Nate officially challenging anybody to what, another 20 grand?
- [115:26]
D
Nate, I don't have Kevin Clancy money.
- [115:30]
A
Like, if you, you know, if it was a little bit of a cash game here and there, you'd play. You play people? Yeah, of course. Love to. The dog. The dog at the poker table. Let's go.
- [115:40]
D
Nowhere to go but up.
- [115:42]
A
You know that this should be the logo. You know that, that famous painting of the dogs at the poker table?
- [115:46]
D
Oh, yeah.
- [115:46]
A
You could just be one of. It's three dogs and you sitting there, little mask on. All right, well, thank you, Nate. Appreciate you, bro.
- [115:53]
D
Hey, appreciate you.
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A
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B
Somebody.
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A
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B
It wasn't your money to begin.
- [116:27]
A
I know, but it's only natural. You're telling me you wouldn't, you wouldn't just be like, okay, that's fine.
- [116:31]
B
I think, yeah.
- [116:32]
A
It wouldn't be part of you that's like, I just lost $500 million.
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B
Maybe if someone said something, I'd be like, I don't, I, I don't ever need. I don't have a desire ever again. Yes, but.
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Yeah, let me get him in here.
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B
The. The other thing, maybe you can. You can chime in on this.
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A
Eric.
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B
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D
Oh, yeah.
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A
Were mad about it.
- [120:15]
B
What are. Are people, like, being stupid on purpose and pretending to not get what he's saying?
- [120:23]
A
Like, how did.
- [120:24]
B
So if you're listening at home and you don't know the clip I'm talking about Ryan Clark, they were talking about on. On get up or whatever. The. After Archie Manning's first game or Arch Manning's first game, he didn't play well and they were debating whether or not he's a generational talent. In the middle of this debate, Ryan Clark said, well, Tom Brady's not a generational talent. Peyton Manning's not a generational talent. Drew Brees isn't a generational talent. People, again, what I saw at least were people getting very upset. Like, how dare you say Tom Brady's not good? That's obviously not what he was saying. So it was everyone just pretending to not understand what he was saying.
- [120:55]
D
What was he saying then?
- [120:56]
B
He's saying he's not generational talent. Like, Tom Brady will tell he's not generational talent. Tom Brady I got drafting the sixth round for a reason.
- [121:03]
D
I think he ended up being pretty generational.
- [121:06]
B
Of course he ended up being it. But like, what they're talking about, talking about isn't that like, like everyone got mad? Like, Ryan Clark thinks Tom Brady sucks. Like, no, that's not what he's saying. Why are we all pretending to think that?
- [121:15]
D
I guess I'm confused. And who is generational if Tom Brady isn't?
- [121:19]
B
His examples were Andrew Luck, which, yes.
- [121:23]
F
I'm Confused are these people who are like prodigies.
- [121:25]
A
It's sort of. How is this the word. The word talent I think gets confused in like, Tom Brady is a very talented football player. He was not a athletic freak who people expected to be that good. So it's more like potential coming into the league, not where you ended up. So is this like Andrew Luck was like, you are the chosen one. LeBron James, like, and sometimes like Greg, Odin was supposed to be it and he sucked. Like, those are the. Expected to be a generational talent versus I think at the end of his career, you would never. You still never say he's a freak athlete, the most gifted physical person. But in terms of playing the game of football, I do think he's a generation.
- [122:06]
B
But coming in, he was a generational talent. Is someone who can sling the ball. Like, Tom Brady will be the very first person to tell you I was not a generational talent. Peyton Manning will tell you I couldn't run. I couldn't throw like Peyton Manning threw it.
- [122:19]
A
So I think it's athletics versus talent because I think like your mind and being able to work and all that is part of town.
- [122:24]
B
Absolutely think that. But Pete, like, when you're describing a talent, talented quarterback, that's not what you're talking about.
- [122:29]
A
I don't know though. Maybe I, I feel like I would, I wouldn't, I would look, for 20.
- [122:33]
B
Years, all people did was scream at me that Tom Brady sucks. And he's. He's not talented. All right. He can't do on the field what Aaron Rodgers can do athletically though. Right, but that's what we're talking about.
- [122:42]
A
But I also think that, like, for a quarterback, like, decision making and, and like hard working, showing up, like all that goes into your talent, but you're not athletic.
- [122:51]
B
I don't think hardworking showing up goes. People don't count that as your talent. Yeah, well, people count talent, what you can do on the court. I don't think people like, yeah, he's here. First guy in every time. Talented kid.
- [123:02]
A
Yeah, right. I. I think what happens is it's almost like same thing with like actors. You could be like a really just gifted actor, but the people who are like committed to it and all that are the. Maybe the ones who become the famous, the most, the most successful. I almost think it should be, but I guess, yeah, it's not really. That's not what talent, your raw talent is. Is not.
- [123:21]
B
Not how we refer to talent. It's just not. We don't, we don't say he studies hard, he's talented. No one says that. So like when you're talking.
- [123:28]
A
Yeah. It's almost like those are pitted against each other. Right. It's like oh, that's the guy who's. Who's really talented but doesn't work hard and that's why he didn't make it. And that's the guy who wasn't talented but worked hard and he did.
- [123:36]
B
That's what the. Tom Brady has made his career on that. Yeah, Peyton Manning has made his career on that. Like to. To pretend that's not what he's saying. But Peyton was the one guy willfully ignorant. But we obviously what he's saying.
- [123:46]
A
Peyton was what the second pick, right? Ryan Leaf was one. Yeah. So like he was still highly. Where Brady was literally like 99 for a reason.
- [123:55]
D
Now I think I get what so you're saying in terms of this furry's generational talent. Trevor Lawrence, the best quarterback from the time he was.
- [124:02]
B
I'm not seventh grade because I don't give a about that. What I'm saying is this is what Ryan Clark is saying.
- [124:08]
D
I would have.
- [124:09]
A
Trevor Lawrence would be like an Andrew Lock like you know, everyone almost like for years. Like he's going to be a absolute franchise changer. Still the book, I think you know, still early enough and maybe. I don't know, who knows. But like yeah, I would say him versus Mahomes who was like drafted but not expected to be what he is. Okay is the difference.
- [124:29]
B
It's. It's not like what he was saying wasn't bothering me one way or the other. It's people pretending to not understand what he's.
- [124:35]
D
Look at him getting exactly what he wants. A 20 minute conversation about him. They're never gonna take him off defending him.
- [124:41]
B
I'm not trying. I'm like I'm on. I'm in his camp.
- [124:43]
D
People were saying why is he on tv?
- [124:44]
A
Blah blah, blah.
- [124:45]
B
Well, why are you watching if you're so stupid you can't understand what he's saying.
- [124:50]
A
Yeah, it is.
- [124:52]
B
I really was fired up because like look, he cares.
- [124:54]
A
Cares about something.
- [124:55]
B
Just like why are we all pretending to be dumb? You know what he's saying? Why get mad about it?
- [125:02]
D
Internet baby gotta be mad.
- [125:04]
A
I mean the other like the other that Brian Clark's been doing where like, like he was calling out Peter Schrager for like not working hard or whatever. And then a lot of the. The race stuff is. I can understand where people get upset about that, but that's a pretty this is just like a football. I think what happens with someone like that is those other things happen. You decide not to like him for those reasons, and then you're intentionally not, like, getting what he's saying.
- [125:28]
D
Dave's going, that's the point.
- [125:29]
B
Like, I feel like everyone does that, where it's like, why are you intentionally not getting. He's saying.
- [125:33]
A
That's what.
- [125:34]
B
What he's saying is very obvious and very, like, fair. Why pretend to not know what he.
- [125:40]
A
You can have this seat, brother. We. We. We were just going through poker and stuff. We got into and we. We mentioned Nadu cuz he was in that tournament. We were like, oh, we got to get. We got to get Bosco in here. With who?
- [125:55]
B
Sammy.
- [125:56]
A
What? Same episode.
- [125:57]
C
We still doing the same episode?
- [125:58]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Still going. Still going. Yeah, yeah. Sammy, everybody. This has been a very cobbled together episode. But wait, what you said. So John did an interview recently, and he said that you were the only person in that video you.
- [126:13]
B
I was on not today, pal, which is Rob Eiler and Jamie Lynn Siege.
- [126:18]
A
Yeah.
- [126:19]
B
And so I'm on the podcast and I'm sure it's gonna come out this week. And Rob pulls up the video it happened the day before, and he's like. He's like, let's break this down. And I, I said, when? I. And it got not a big reaction, but Jamie was certainly a little surprised by it. The. I said, I said, let me in touch with her. We'll smooth that off. I said, I said, rico is the only person in this video acting sane.
- [126:41]
A
And.
- [126:41]
B
And everyone was like, what are you talking about? I genuinely believe that. I. I wholeheartedly believe that because I was like. The argument I made to them was, this has been happening for. I think a difference I said was six years. I don't know exactly how long it was.
- [126:54]
A
Yeah.
- [126:54]
B
I was like, this has been going on for six years. The person who's going, something's got to change is the only person who's making a sound logic. We can't keep doing this. Let's go step outside and let's handle it. That's the only sane thing to do in that.
- [127:08]
A
That is true.
- [127:09]
B
I. I'm complet. I'm a. Rob said. He's like, are you a rider? I'm a rider, dude. He's the only guy act insane here.
- [127:15]
A
Look how. Look how fall we've come. I know. I was gonna say my favorite, like, like, like the biggest rider is Fidalberg because he was so not a rider. And now you're right.
- [127:25]
B
Please stop screaming all the time. I could be in the same room as him now.
- [127:28]
A
Stop screaming. What are we talking about?
- [127:30]
B
All the time? Sometimes he screams when it's a bit intentional, when it makes sense. That's just how we talk too, sometimes.
- [127:38]
A
What, what set that off? I, I, I've seen the clip, but I didn't see the before and after. So, like, he thought, oh, right, right.
- [127:43]
B
Blatant.
- [127:43]
A
No, no, but you were on the other side. You were on the other side table and you came around.
- [127:48]
B
No, that's the late clip.
- [127:49]
A
Yeah, but that start is the touch. Right, but what was the late clip? What made you get up and go around the table?
- [127:54]
B
A few different things.
- [127:55]
A
Stupid me.
- [127:56]
B
Well, no, yeah, he's, I mean, again, pathological liar.
- [127:59]
A
He's.
- [127:59]
B
Oh, I could have slapped him in the head. I was like, oh, like Nicky smokes.
- [128:01]
A
He didn't do that. Did you? Yeah, Nick.
- [128:02]
B
Yo, Nick.
- [128:03]
A
Put him in his back pocket.
- [128:06]
B
I know. We're gonna.
- [128:06]
A
That was one of the more like alpha, to use a corny phrase I've ever seen. Nadu walked in the house and was like, kissing hands, shaking, you know, Shaking, Shaking hands, kissing babies, all like, you know, I'm here. And Nikki walked in like, are you gonna slap me in the face? Because you said you were. And he, like, stood over him and looked down at him and was like, do it. Go ahead, do it. You said you would do it. Yeah. And he didn't. And Nick, he was like, that's what I thought.
- [128:28]
B
I didn't know.
- [128:30]
A
Fold you up, put you in my back pocket. I own you now. I mean, and, and I mean, it's a tough spot because the dude's like, he's on this show, basically. You can't just walk in and slap people in the face. Like, maybe if it was late at night, it'd be a different story, but in that case, it was a tough spot.
- [128:45]
B
There's that whole thing from Black Friday, like, 10 years ago where it's like, I locked myself in the room. I, I knew what I was capable.
- [128:51]
A
Of, so I tried to avoid that situation.
- [128:55]
B
I should be patted on the back. What? I say, like, Nadu's. Nadu's first fight was literally like an earth shattering moment for me.
- [129:03]
A
What was that? Oh, the, the rough.
- [129:06]
B
Just because, like, I always assumed he.
- [129:07]
A
Could, like, throw hands.
- [129:08]
B
I assume that people who talk could fight.
- [129:10]
A
Yeah, you are wrong. It's actually literally the total opposite.
- [129:14]
B
You've heard that a million times. Yeah, but then when you see it play out and you're like, oh, I'll throw you out the window, dude. Are you kidding me?
- [129:23]
A
Yeah, that was. Who is. He fought who he bought Jerry.
- [129:26]
B
And I was shocked that Jerry sucked it.
- [129:28]
A
It was just a cardio show. They like, I was going into that.
- [129:31]
B
Fight, I was like, this is gonna be a good fight. These two guys, loud mouse. And I was like, wait, this is how people who talk like that fight.
- [129:38]
A
I know, but that, but that is. Yeah, that's how. You know what I mean? It's the quiet guys who like, I'll put you in a body bag. Right.
- [129:43]
B
So let's get to the real issue here. How much of a rider are did you book me? What you booked me. Was that for the next episodes? Not today, pal. Oh, you want text Rob?
- [129:54]
A
We like literally can set that up. That's not, that's not a problem. The but the funny, funniest part of this whole thing is the Quigs kissing at it, which, I mean, first of all, like, AI is getting better and better and better because, I mean, I obviously knew they weren't kissing. But like, if that was two random guys, like, you can't tell anymore. Right to the point that Nadu was like, this will affect my reputation.
- [130:20]
F
That was dumb to do to text to try and get that scrap. Like, that's the number one way to.
- [130:24]
A
Get more edits for someone who has been in the barstool ecosystem one way or the other for as long as he has to think that that's not A, getting shot down immediately. B, making them circulate it more. C, getting on unnamed show. D, E, F, G. You know, I heard you were upset about it too though, the kiss.
- [130:42]
B
I text Quigs and said too far. Like, like, and then he goes, we all go too far. Too much. Did I text him nine times? No.
- [130:51]
A
Is that a. How many times have I said to me, he said, I probably said that.
- [130:55]
B
With you with different things of like that's, that's a laugh at the content. Speaking of that, sorry, one more thing I'm going to get ahead of real quick here. The what you say about him on the show. I said you were in the Taliban. Well, I, I, I'm a, listen, I'm a writer.
- [131:15]
A
By the way, I, I called you this Alan by the same thing.
- [131:18]
B
They did a thing of Hank editors Osama bin Laden. I texted Hank and says, not funny now, is it?
- [131:24]
A
So it's the same thing, dude.
- [131:25]
B
It's rolling off the. We were talking about being a rider and, and something. I, I forget Rob said something and I Think Rob made the voice. Like, they got pictures with me in the Taliban. And Jamie was like, wait, what's that all about? And I went, well, Rico's in the Taliban. Meadow Soprano's going home, going, is that.
- [131:46]
A
Really friends with someone in the Taliban?
- [131:49]
B
I clarified it. I immediately was like. I was like, he's gonna be so mad I said that. No. He laughs too far, though.
- [131:58]
A
Quick said to me, like, no, there.
- [131:59]
B
Hey.
- [132:00]
A
I was like, that was your funniest edit ever. And he was like, yeah, they're upset about it. And I was like, yeah, I can't have this on my reputation. I was like, yeah, you gotta.
- [132:10]
B
I don't really care about it.
- [132:11]
A
This is pretty homophobic. Really upset about this.
- [132:14]
B
It's a joke, bro.
- [132:17]
A
That's.
- [132:17]
B
That's like. Like, like, what would have.
- [132:20]
A
What. What. What could have the edit been that wouldn't have upset him? You know what I mean? It's like, if it was an edit of him, like, punching an old lady in the face, you mean? Whatever. That's fine.
- [132:27]
B
You know?
- [132:28]
A
I don't know. Something. That's crazy. I can't have that.
- [132:31]
C
No.
- [132:32]
A
Not like there are people in the streets being like, I wasn't a do fan, but now you kiss that guy and, like, I'm out. Yeah. Raise.
- [132:42]
B
You put a video like that. I mean, that is the avalanche. You start that, the next thing you know, they're gonna say you're a comedian. DMing for 60 days straight to get on Boston. Was that.
- [132:50]
A
That was a deep cut. That was. There was. Who was.
- [132:53]
B
That's how it originally started. Like, somebody DM Kevin, like, 60 days in a row. Like, you got to put me on Boston. You gotta put me on Bostil. And I think he put it up like. Kevin put it up like. Like, no interest, buddy. And Nate was like, nice try, Rico. And I went off the hand.
- [133:10]
A
That was when Dan said he left, so. Holy his pants. Because I. I. Yeah, like, Nate said, like, nice try. There was a screenshot of that, and I retweeted that or something. So that was when. And then Rico wanted to kill me. And that's. That's when there was something with an iPhone, though. Didn't you retire via iPhone? Yeah, that was it. Yeah, we go retire via iPhone. No. Because of some random comedian. DMing me. And I was like, this guy. That's when we had our beef. Now I ride crazy every. If you. If you're long enough. If you're around long enough, you come around, you ride.
- [133:39]
B
I. I go back and look, I'M like, I watch.
- [133:41]
A
I'm like, oh.
- [133:45]
B
I got one more question for us here. I was thinking of this throughout the weekend, and then when we were just talking to Quinn and Sammy, something inspired me again, against all odds. So I hate the phrase content creator. Everyone does. No one likes it. I said it this weekend and I was very upset. I had to say it and I wouldn't. It's been bothering me. I'm like, what the fuck? That sucks having to say that. And I think that content creator is such an insufferable term. Artists would be better.
- [134:17]
A
I know, I've thought about that before too.
- [134:19]
B
But like, if people called themselves art because like you're just do like you're.
- [134:23]
A
Making sure that you hope people like.
- [134:24]
B
It and hope it gets a vibe out of them and you're hoping they buy it. It's just art. It's. It's. I think against all odds, I think artist is a less Eyoli phrase than content creator.
- [134:36]
A
It's sort of like to blow Dave did. They've also kind of create people saying.
- [134:41]
B
Content all the time. No, no, no.
- [134:43]
C
Okay.
- [134:43]
B
To the point where like. Well, actually, I don't know.
- [134:45]
C
It does.
- [134:46]
B
And again, I'm not like being one of those, like simps, but like, it.
- [134:49]
A
Did feel like it was saying content.
- [134:52]
B
A lot of people started saying, oh, my content, my content, my content. I swear I'm not. I will hear the argument that we. And he like popularized it, but I remember I found it eye rolly. And then the phrase content, content, content got invented and I, I was already like, oh my God, we're still going more with this. Because that just wasn't a thing on the Internet, like in you, you know, like Jersey sports fan. Like, it wasn't.
- [135:17]
A
Oh, your videos. I watch your page. Yeah.
- [135:19]
B
Content was not evil. Verb, noun, noun.
- [135:23]
A
That was not noun. I think not a verb. Yeah, okay. Yeah, well, create an adjective. It could be a noun. Contenting is a verb. No, it's not. No one, no one has said contenting ever.
- [135:34]
B
Start it.
- [135:34]
A
Sell the shirts. Invented content.
- [135:36]
B
But Rico invented content. So like that wasn't a thing.
- [135:40]
A
You know, it just wasn't a thing. And then I feel maybe it's being.
- [135:43]
B
The bubble here, but I don't know. Whatever it. But like I, I think, I think the tides.
- [135:47]
F
I think you go same artists.
- [135:49]
B
Well, you, like the real artists are gonna be like in, in practice, obviously this all falls apart. But in theory, I think it's the less like, oh, this person thinks they're something.
- [136:00]
A
Oh, I don't you think artists is less? I think if someone on Tick Tock was like, I'm an artist, they would get shredded.
- [136:07]
B
But they would. I. I just think you saying it makes more sense. Yeah, like, I'm a content creator just sounds so stupid.
- [136:15]
A
But you know what it is sound like you're making.
- [136:16]
B
It sounds like you're doing videos. Like, I'm mad that Ryan Clark said.
- [136:21]
A
He'S a generational, but that's what most of them are.
- [136:24]
B
Yeah.
- [136:24]
A
Like, those people can't say they're artists. I think the reason people say that because they're like, it's sort of like, I used to be like, am I a writer now? I'm like a blogger. You're almost diminishing what you do on purpose because you know you're not 100. So then just lean into it. But if you're making truly shitty content, it's tough. So, like, if you make good content, you're a top of the game, you're making an art. You can be an artist. But if some dickhead who's like, I'm a troll baiting, fucking, you know, listicle, whatever type guy is like, I'm an artist, they're going to be like, no, you're fucking not.
- [136:55]
B
No, I agree. And like, look, neither of these things are something I'd ever do. Right? But, like, but if someone told me they were an artist, they're a content creator, that ends the conversation. Yeah, I don't care about you anymore. I don't care, like, even if you make content. But if you say, like, I'm a content creator, I am.
- [137:11]
A
I am out.
- [137:12]
B
Yeah, I agree with that.
- [137:13]
A
There's certain.
- [137:14]
B
You could die tomorrow and I wouldn't.
- [137:15]
C
But.
- [137:16]
A
So, okay, let's throw out artists because I know what you're saying, but that carries that weight of, like, I'm a singer, I'm a painter. You know, like some of the most famous people ever. Artists.
- [137:23]
B
Yeah.
- [137:24]
A
What is the word? Like a. A.
- [137:26]
B
But also, like, painters at first. Or let's say actors at first. Like, like, move. Like, if you're an artist, like, that was the new thing. So you probably rolled eyes. Wait, you think you're Van Gogh?
- [137:36]
A
You're just acting in those silent movies eventually.
- [137:39]
B
Like, I think that's the Internet. Content is so young that you can't call that artist yet.
- [137:42]
A
I think people will eventually think that and say that and should say that about some of the people right now who make, like, great. But the problem also is inherently, like, podcasting. Right. It's a Podcast. Podcasting is like, for sure an art form now, you know, and Joe Rogan is the. The top of it. But would you be like, he. He's an artist. No, but you probably should be.
- [138:02]
B
I do think you should always downplay your thing, like, for sure thing. When people ask here, it's like, what do you do? You're not like, I'm at, you know.
- [138:08]
A
Like, I'm a video. I'm a content creator.
- [138:10]
B
I'm. What? It's like you're familiar.
- [138:12]
A
Just.
- [138:12]
B
Yeah, just treat them like.
- [138:13]
A
Be like, hey, you familiar with, like, this?
- [138:15]
B
Yeah, I do some stuff.
- [138:16]
A
What about, like, that's. What about personality? What do people like? I'm an on air personality. I'm an on camera personality. I'm an Internet personality. See, I think that's loose. I think you could say that.
- [138:27]
F
I think YouTuber is fine.
- [138:29]
A
I think that's.
- [138:29]
C
Recently.
- [138:30]
A
That used to be like, you. I think YouTuber had a connotation too, for sure. Now YouTube has just become such a platform. But, like, in the beginning of, like, the, like, early Paul brother days, I feel like it was like, yeah, you're a YouTuber.
- [138:39]
B
Yeah.
- [138:40]
A
Because that's finer.
- [138:42]
B
Like, what's up, YouTubers?
- [138:43]
A
Yeah.
- [138:43]
B
That we were like, we're never doing something like that. So now just. Our whole company goes, all right.
- [138:51]
A
That'S.
- [138:51]
B
Our what's up, YouTubers. Yeah. Because that's what Dave did. Everyone goes. Claps and goes, all right. Yeah.
- [138:56]
F
I think YouTubers more fine. Tick Tocker is cringe. If you say I make stuff on Tick Tock or I post stuff on Tick Tock. That's better.
- [139:04]
A
I also think, though, if you are a Tick Tocker, you should say that.
- [139:07]
F
Yeah.
- [139:07]
A
You know what I mean? Like, it's. I would. Because again, Tick Tock has gotten to the point where it's like, I'm a tick Tocker. I have a hundred million dollars. Like, it's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's. It's.
- [139:17]
B
I got banned from making money on there. When I told Kelly to go make me a sandwich, that clip took me off. It was comedy. Putin.
- [139:26]
A
It's art.
- [139:27]
B
It's art.
- [139:29]
C
Figure it out.
- [139:30]
A
Tik Tok. It's all scripted. Jack, how was the birthday?
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F
Birthday was amazing.
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A
Thank you, Rico. Rico hooked it up like that.
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B
My God.
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A
What made you pull out a favor for these two if you don't know? So. So, Danny, surprised Jackie showed up at her birthday party on Friday night. And then Saturday night, Rico called in a favor, got a. A reservation at one of the Most exclusive. Can't get a reservation spots in New York City.
- [139:58]
F
And they had a prime time Saturday.
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A
Night, beautiful candlelit dinner.
- [140:01]
B
It's very contentious. Have you seen the clip on House Call? So we knew this was going on. And Jerry's like, you can try to get some.
- [140:08]
A
Somebody in the office. And I was like. I was like, don't.
- [140:11]
B
No, too much information.
- [140:11]
A
I was like, whatever.
- [140:12]
B
So we talking around it and it's.
- [140:14]
A
Like, who got the guy? And Jerry's like, I got the guy.
- [140:17]
B
You know, but you know the guy. I'm like, ah. And then I'm like, but do you.
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A
Know the guy we're trying to do the favor for?
- [140:22]
B
And Jerry's like, no, I know him better than you. He's.
- [140:25]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay.
- [140:26]
B
But the clip is just two idiots. It's audio. That's how it works.
- [140:35]
A
But yeah, it's a.
- [140:36]
B
It was good. I'm. I got a soft spot for long distance, which, like, what you guys doing? Whatever you're doing. I've said that I got a soft spot long distance.
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F
Did you do long distance?
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B
Yeah, like instantly.
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A
Oh.
- [140:48]
B
Like month after I started dating my.
- [140:52]
A
Wife to add a job.
- [140:53]
B
Took a job in Philly and then kind of just. I was home a ton. It was easy enough, but like, yeah, pretty much. And then like, listen for as much as you know, my actions and in the Taliban, like, I am a romantic. Like, I do have a. Do have a soft spot. I do have a soft spot. I do have a soft spot. So it's like, yeah. Danny, answer the favor.
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C
I was like, absolutely.
- [141:13]
A
Jackie, close your DMs from him.
- [141:14]
B
But otherwise, yeah, Jackie's birthday party Friday night was. It was awesome. It was great.
- [141:22]
A
It was.
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B
It was jam packed. And we were. We were at the bar and at one point I was like. I was just in the corner and I was like, it's packed in here. And I started looking around and I was like, oh, it's because they're all like 26 and no one's sitting in the chairs. It was. They're standing. The whole room was lined with seating and no one was seating.
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A
That's my brother's tape.
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B
I was going, if someone would just sit down, we would be great. Chairs ruined.
- [141:51]
A
Parties. Chairs, parties. That's great. I actually really believe.
- [141:56]
B
Wait. I wanted to say it's very funny that I always associate Jackie's birthday with 911 because I was in a bald cap the first time I went. And then second of all, I was talking to my dad the day of Jackie's birthday. And he had, like. He had the greatest line about Jackie where I was like, yeah, I've been going to Jackie's birthday party tonight. And he just goes, I love that girl. Met her in Tennessee. She had a black eye and a smile on the whole weekend.
- [142:20]
F
Again, important to note that the black guy was from the nose job.
- [142:24]
A
Not, not, not violence. But still, when you told me that.
- [142:28]
F
I thought again, I thought that he was saying she had a black guy and smile on the whole week. And I was like, when did I date a black?
- [142:34]
B
Oh, when I was telling you that at your party, I thought you were saying you were black out. And I was like, no, no, he wasn't saying, you're drunk. He's a black guy.
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D
And a smile. Crazy.
- [142:46]
B
We had fun in Nashville. I still haven't been there.
- [142:50]
A
I remembered everything.
- [142:52]
B
Jackie was experimenting. I still haven't been to that place. And then Danny was like, hey, I.
- [142:59]
A
Didn'T know how exclusive this. I'm like, yeah, it's.
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B
When was it took care of you?
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A
Corn store corn. You got to go.
- [143:05]
C
It was so good.
- [143:06]
B
My wife has been.
- [143:07]
A
I have not. What you have. Would you eat?
- [143:09]
F
It was. I don't know if we even, like, ordered, like, what we were supposed to order, but it was like, yeah, just so many appetizers.
- [143:15]
A
Was there cheese? Sour cream, Martin, Cheese on the menu? Like, just cheese. Was there cheese? I'm sure, yeah, there's probably some cheese, right? Nate, Nate, Nate. Nate pulled an audible on where they went to dinner the other night because the place had cheese.
- [143:32]
B
They can't be around cheese.
- [143:33]
A
He was like. He was like. He audibled from a nice Italian restaurant to, like, a shitty place that no one had fun at. And we're like, why are we here? And it was because Nate was like, well, if I went to that other restaurant, everything had cheese, and I was going to eat all the cheese. So I couldn't do that. Forgot to do that while he was here. We should let him defend himself. But it was like, yeah, you ruined everyone's dinner because you can't be in the same building as cheese.
- [143:56]
B
He. He. He's got some fucked up stomach issues. And I was like, what do you mean? You can't be around cheese?
- [144:03]
A
Like, read it on the menu.
- [144:04]
B
Don't eat. Like, I want to eat it. I was like, well, I want to eat it too. I was like, I can't eat it, so I don't eat it. Yeah, that is hard, though.
- [144:12]
C
Cheese.
- [144:13]
A
You ever have cheese?
- [144:13]
B
It's good. It's good.
- [144:16]
A
So Nate was there Friday.
- [144:18]
F
What?
- [144:18]
A
Nate was that Friday?
- [144:19]
F
Nate was that Friday?
- [144:20]
B
Sounds like a happening party.
- [144:23]
F
I did invite you.
- [144:24]
A
It's all right, Jack.
- [144:25]
C
I did invite you.
- [144:25]
A
Jack.
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B
I don't leave my house.
- [144:27]
A
But wait, did you invite.
- [144:30]
F
I did invite you, did I not?
- [144:31]
C
No, probably not.
- [144:32]
B
I don't. Jack, to be honest with you, I like you a lot. I don't leave my eyes.
- [144:38]
F
I definitely thought that I invited you.
- [144:39]
A
Even though I know that. I mean, I. I don't even want to dig deeper than this, in this, because I don't know if I want the answer. But there was a big. It was a big group chat. Brigo wasn't on there.
- [144:49]
B
I'll leave my house. And now I have. Now I have the ultimate thing where like, no, I'll forever be invited. She could be like 40 and be.
- [145:02]
A
Like, oh, yeah, it's like just Jack and her family and Rico.
- [145:06]
B
But no, that's fine.
- [145:07]
A
I don't leave my house. Well, happy birthday, Jack.
- [145:09]
F
Thank you.
- [145:09]
A
Another one in the books. Thank you again.
- [145:13]
B
There was some possible negotiating of babysitting.
- [145:19]
A
That we threw out.
- [145:20]
B
Danny's like, if there's anything we could ever do. I'm like, tell her she's got of babysitter. And Danny's like, she's in. I'm like, dude, shut the.
- [145:34]
A
Context. Context. What a boo by Danny showing up though. Did you. Were you really surprised? Was there a part of you that was like, is he gonna come or you?
- [145:40]
B
I don't think any. Cuz we were at dinner beforehand and like, I was with Tommy and I was with. Yeah, you can't tell anybody. A couple. Couple people who like, at least were around the show shore and knew that kind of stuff. And like people like, is Danny coming? And everyone was like, sure. Like, I don't think so. Like, he hasn't said anything to us.
- [145:54]
A
And Ballsy. Did you have a. Like a.
- [145:58]
B
He was really in the content game.
- [146:00]
A
Like, okay, I guess you can't come. Or was it.
- [146:01]
F
No, I mean, like, I knew that he couldn't because like a college football show. And I was like, I get. Like, I work at the same company.
- [146:07]
A
I'm not.
- [146:07]
F
I can't even be mad about that. And then there was one. He like, said that he had a wedding next weekend. And then he was like, oh, maybe I'll come next weekend. And then I was like, but you have the wedding. So like, that's kind of weird that you.
- [146:20]
A
Whatever.
- [146:20]
F
That was the only thing. But then. But then I didn't even really let myself think of It Because I was like, I don't want to be disappointed. You know, like whatever.
- [146:26]
A
And that was cute. It was a very genuine.
- [146:28]
B
You were like. I. I didn't see that. I was there. So I didn't see the video till later that night. You were really surprised.
- [146:33]
F
I know. Well, I just didn't think because I was literally texting him right before, like being like. And then he just was.
- [146:39]
A
Jackie was like telling go home, Jackie King.
- [146:42]
B
Nothing better. When you say you can't go somewhere and then you show.
- [146:45]
A
Yeah. Get the pop.
- [146:47]
B
If he was really in the content game, he would have walked in with one of your friends throwing you for a loop. If he was really an artist.
- [146:55]
A
Yeah.
- [146:56]
C
But it was really like, wait.
- [146:57]
B
Oh, I'm happy to see.
- [146:58]
A
Wait, did he make it echo at the end of the night? Shut up.
- [147:04]
B
Shut up.
- [147:05]
A
What the. The line at the beach house was that it was echoing through the house. So I always ask her, did it echo? That's tough. Yeah.
- [147:14]
B
I give you escar.
- [147:15]
A
That's craziness. Yeah. That crazy. That was. What a summer. I know.
- [147:20]
B
I also think back of those people at the. The Jersey Shore show that like are like etched like those things are running. There's channels on these weird apps now that run 24 7. Like a jersey. You just plug in at like 2 o' clock and you can watch till 8.
- [147:34]
A
Watch Snooki get punch. The first lunatic, the first grenades, the. You know, like some of these people.
- [147:41]
B
Are just etched in like life of like. Oh. And then, you know, they didn't know enough.
- [147:45]
A
Yeah.
- [147:45]
C
Yeah.
- [147:45]
A
You know art.
- [147:47]
B
Yeah.
- [147:48]
C
The Jersey Shore.
- [147:49]
A
Oh was art. The, the people, the producers, the, the scenery, the backdrop of New Jersey. That is art. Yeah. We'll hear no other thing. Nothing otherwise. Best.
- [148:00]
B
Maybe best first season in all of television. Pound for pound.
- [148:04]
A
That's a great argument.
- [148:06]
F
Yeah.
- [148:07]
B
Yeah.
- [148:08]
A
You could really make that strong argument.
- [148:10]
B
Pound for pound.
- [148:11]
A
They should have.
- [148:12]
B
I. I mean, whatever.
- [148:13]
A
You're not gonna. You, you certainly. That it's weird. Cuz they were sitting.
- [148:15]
B
They were sitting on a. On a gold mine. But you wonder should they have waited to release it and just kept grinding.
- [148:24]
A
Them out while they're anonymous before they got big. Right. Cuz once they got. And it's like. And then even pay them front.
- [148:31]
B
Be like, you know, you have like, like.
- [148:33]
A
Right.
- [148:33]
B
Just give them what they think.
- [148:34]
A
Like what were they making? Probably 600 an episode. You know what it will give you even 15 to 20 grand right now.
- [148:42]
B
And then a year.
- [148:42]
A
It's a discount. You know, you look at like I would love to talk to, like, a producer over there and be like, did they know? I mean, obviously the show got Greenland. They put some effort into it. So they had. They thought they had something, but did they think they were they like, this is going to be it.
- [148:55]
B
Anybody with a brain. Well, here's why I think so. If you know the producer, pretty sure.
- [149:00]
A
Her name is Sally Ann Salano, which.
- [149:02]
B
Is like, right out of Benson Hurst mar.
- [149:05]
A
Prob. They're probably family members. That's what I'm saying.
- [149:09]
B
The most specific name.
- [149:11]
A
Pretty Sal.
- [149:16]
B
Like, too much of a nerd, if I remember correctly. I don't sound like too much of a nerd.
- [149:23]
A
Sally in salsano.
- [149:24]
B
Yeah, Ben, it was. But either way, I mean, she's married.
- [149:28]
A
To some guy named.
- [149:28]
B
Or her sister is married to some guy named Vinnie who hides his money.
- [149:32]
A
In a pillowcase under the bed. You know, like Sally an salsano is known for Jersey shore. A shot at love with tila, tequila and police 24 7.
- [149:44]
B
What a. What a. A gold, silver and bronze she had.
- [149:48]
A
If she's got any brains, she had.
- [149:50]
B
To know, like this.
- [149:51]
A
This is like.
- [149:52]
B
I grew up on this.
- [149:53]
A
This is gonna be a hit. So. Yeah. That's great. All right. Good stuff.
- [149:57]
B
I can't believe they're still doing that.
- [149:58]
A
Show, by the way. Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting. They. They. Who the watches it? I think. I think all, like. It's a. It's like a cult family classic where I think they all kind of were like, I'm not. I'm more than just a Jersey shore. And they went their separate ways. And then I think they were like, this is still going and people still love us, so we can make a check and we're all mature now, and they just brought it back together. Yeah, it's crazy. Wow. All right, let's ban these ads out. Yep. All right. Thank you, Rico. Appreciate it. Sam. Sa. Sam.