Stephen A. Smith Called Out On Live TV By Serena Williams' Husband Alexis Ohanian - FULL EPISODE

Summary

KFC Radio – Stephen A. Smith Called Out On Live TV By Serena Williams' Husband Alexis Ohanian

Date: October 16, 2025
Hosts: Kevin Clancy (KFC), Jackie Nichols, Avi Kaplan
Podcast: Barstool Sports

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Episode Overview

This episode of KFC Radio is classic Barstool: a blend of offbeat debates about time management and lateness, unusually revealing personal stories, deep-dives into culture, and a viral moment breakdown involving Alexis Ohanian's live clapback at Stephen A. Smith. The hosts also discuss gender differences in routines, embarrassing moments, celebrity news, and their shared love for TV. True to form, the conversation mixes real-life relatability with irreverent humor and surprising pop culture analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Lateness Debate & Time Management Philosophy

• Begins with playful arguing about what counts as "being late" and the baggage around punctuality (01:01–11:00).
• Jackie shares a formative story: Getting fired from a banquet hall job for always being “a few minutes late” (03:14).
• The group debates how much lateness is tolerable, when it’s disrespectful, and the generational shift in attitude towards time.
• Consensus: 5 minutes isn’t the end of the world, but chronic lateness graded above 15 minutes—without communication—crosses into disrespect.

“If you just came in five minutes late, you’re fine. When you come in and you’re five minutes late and you say I’m not late, then I’m like…what is your concept of being late?” – Kevin Clancy (01:24)

“For appointments, meetings, getting together with someone…you got to, like, text me or something.” – Kevin Clancy (06:46)

• Avi and Jackie both admit to being habitually late, chalking it up to flawed time perception, not disrespect. They joke about wanting it classified as a "disability."

“What needs to happen is me and other chronically late-ers, we all agree…I need some kind of diagnosis to come out.” – Avi Kaplan (09:22)

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2. Morning Routines & Gender Differences

• Jackie explains her extensive morning routine: working out, walking, showering, makeup, hair dry-time, breakfast, and how unpredictable mishaps (like stubbing her toe) can derail everything (16:26-25:00).
• The hosts compare the male and female experience, with KFC marveling at how male grooming is “in and out” versus the full production that is a woman's routine (29:05–31:46).
• Jackie and Avi riff about air-drying vs. towel-drying (21:43), the pain of drying hair, and the myth of “being efficient” in the morning.

“I just don’t think [a girl] can do that. You walk out of the house as a guy looking sloppy, but you can do it. A girl…I just don’t think can do that.” – KFC (29:23)

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3. Noise Canceling Headphones, Autism, and Sensory Overload

• Spirals into an unexpected discussion about headphones, balance, and overstimulation—with Jackie joking about her love for noise-canceling headphones being “autism.”
• Avi observes that noise-canceling headphones mess with her physical balance. The trio jokes about physical quirks and pathologizing everyday struggles (19:27–20:05).

“When I put on noise cancelling headphones, I can’t walk in a straight line.” – Avi Kaplan (19:27)

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4. Religion, Trump’s “Heaven” Comments, and Sins

• KFC brings up Donald Trump’s viral statement: “I want to try and get into Heaven,” dissecting the hilarity/implications and the evangelical response (36:53–44:03).
• Spirited debate on whether politicians should be "heaven-bound," loopholes to salvation (the “heaven cheat code”), and arbitrary religious rules like abstaining from meat on Fridays.
• The hosts joke about masturbation as the least "justifiable" sin and dissect double standards in how male and female self-pleasure is perceived (44:27–53:09).

“I could see Jesus being like, ‘Yeah, pretty compelling argument’ [about masturbating to avoid cheating].” – Kevin Clancy (45:29)

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5. Stephen A. Smith vs. Alexis Ohanian: The Viral Live TV Moment

• Main Event (55:38–60:20): Recap of Alexis Ohanian (Reddit cofounder, Serena Williams’ husband) confronting Stephen A. Smith live on First Take over old comments about Serena’s relationship with Drake.
  • Stephen A. infamously said, “If that’s my wife, don’t come home tonight.” Months later, Ohanian smoothly turns the tables: “I thought maybe you have some marriage advice for me,” and then, “I only speak on topics I know about, like building billion-dollar companies.”
  • Smith, visibly uncomfortable and respectful, backs down and later addresses it on his podcast.
  • The hosts analyze the etiquette of hot takes vs. real-life confrontation and respecting someone’s relationship boundaries.

“You could just see, stop, he’s already dead.” – Jackie Nichols [on Ohanian roasting Stephen A.] (58:11)

“I only speak on topics that I know about. So I talk about and tell people how to build billion dollar companies. Because I build billion dollar companies.” – (Alexis Ohanian, paraphrased by KFC) (58:00)

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6. Listener Voicemail: Small Countries, Big Cultural Impact

• Jackie poses: “What’s the smallest country that’s had the largest cultural impact?” (66:21)
  • Ireland, Jamaica, Portugal, Vatican, Japan get shout-outs.
  • Debate encompasses pop culture, music (Japan's video games/Nintendo, Jamaica's reggae/dance hall), and “white culture” as England-derived.
  • Consensus: Jamaica (“the strongest cultural output to size ratio ever” – KFC, 70:16).

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7. TV Corner: Recommendations & Hot Takes

• Enthusiastic TV talk: HBO’s “Task”, “Black Rabbit”, “Chad Powers,” and Apple TV’s “The Last Frontier” are recommended (83:23–89:53).
• KFC and Jackie praise “Task” as criminally underrated and “worthy of Game of Thrones-style hype.”
• “Black Rabbit” deemed entertaining but not essential; “The Last Frontier” called “the best show I’ve ever seen” by KFC for its high-octane, Alaska-jailbreak premises.

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8. Music & Formative Influences

• KFC and Jackie reminisce about the odd juxtaposition of their childhood music: soulful R&B as suburban white kids, merging influences of pop, rap, and alternative rock from their parents (73:34–78:14).

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9. Celebrity News, Relationships, and Pop Culture Trends

• Quick hits on:
  • The Anne Hathaway and Dakota Johnson discourses—how time and PR can change public perception of female celebs (78:32–81:10).
  • The “Sydney Sweeney and Glenn Powell” marketing drama; relatable breakup storytelling (62:40–63:38).
  • Bobby Althoff’s self-aware influencer pivot; what makes accidental fame endearing (81:45–82:37).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On lateness-as-a-diagnosis:
  “We need some kind of diagnosis to come out—that they can't actually tell time, they're disabled.” – Avi Kaplan (09:22)
• On respect and routines:
  “It’s not out of lack of respect...my sense of time is whatever.” – Avi Kaplan (05:26)
• On masturbation, sin, and hypocrisy:
  “If you have positions for your own masturbation…you’re going to hell.” – Jackie Nichols (51:18)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:57 – Start of episode, lateness debate kicks off
• 03:14 – Jackie’s story of losing a job over “being late”
• 09:22 – “Chronically late” as a potential diagnosis
• 16:26 – Jackie’s morning routine breakdown
• 19:27 – The “noise-cancelling headphones” and autism joke
• 36:53 – Trump's “Heaven” email and evangelical fallout
• 44:27 – Debating masturbation as a sin
• 55:38 – Stephen A. Smith vs. Alexis Ohanian TV showdown
• 66:21 – Smallest country, biggest culture debate
• 73:34 – Childhood music memories (D’Angelo, Boyz II Men)
• 78:32 – Celebrity perception shifts (Hathaway, Johnson)
• 83:23 – TV show recommendations: “Task”, “Black Rabbit”, “The Last Frontier”

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Tone & Style

True to KFC Radio, the episode oscillates between sharp cultural observations, personal self-roasting, casual bro-to-bro (and bro-to-girl) banter, and snappy pop culture dissections. The hosts’ chemistry and willingness to make themselves the butt of the joke—as well as their comfort with taboo or awkward subjects—drive a fun, conversational tone.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a crystal ball into KFC Radio's blend of relatable personal stories, outrageous hypotheticals, hot takes on viral news, and a constant stream of pop culture chatter. If you want to know how a classic Barstool pod squad would handle everything from the ethics of punctuality to what makes a marriage “real”, if masturbation is the worst sin, and why Alexis Ohanian shutting down Stephen A. Smith was “justified brutality”—this is the episode for you. Plus, get underrated show recommendations you didn’t know you needed!

Transcript

[Kevin Clancy]

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Available now at GNC and GNC.com it's another edition of KFC Radio on the Barstool Sports Network. What would you say is the definition of being late?

[Avi Kaplan]

When it's. Well, first of all, I don't really count five minutes as being late. Like that's what I mean.

[Kevin Clancy]

What is your definition?

[Avi Kaplan]

I would say because I'm actually with you.

[Jackie Nichols]

I'm also with you.

[Kevin Clancy]

But here's where I'm not with you. If you just came in five minutes late, you're fine. When you come in and you're five minutes late and you say I'm not late, then I'm like, not even as like this show. I'm just saying in general, what is your concept of being late?

[Avi Kaplan]

Okay, well, first of all, I didn't come in and I didn't say I'm not from Minslay. I said sorry for being late. And then you. And then I said, was your text sarcastic?

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

So.

[Kevin Clancy]

So Jackie texted the group and said, sorry, caps lock gonna be five minutes late. But Avi start without me. Which again is totally fine in a vacuum. But it is. You could have sent that the last 50 weeks in a row.

[Jackie Nichols]

You need to schedule that. Yeah, like, like technically.

[Kevin Clancy]

So here's what I would say after so much hubbub about when this podcast starts. I think this podcast starts at 11:35. If someone would say, when do you record? I would say Mondays and Wednesdays at.

[Jackie Nichols]

11:35Am we plan to meet 11:30. We usually get recorded by 11:35.

[Avi Kaplan]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

Okay, so I probably I break through those doors like a cool.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh yeah, I'm ready to record I'm.

[Avi Kaplan]

Not five minutes late at 11:30 sharp. Sometimes 11:31. Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay.

[Avi Kaplan]

But the only reason I felt the need to send the text today was cuz I was going to be like five minutes late. Which I normally wouldn't have done. Which also like when you texted that I guess I was like wait, maybe I'm so mad.

[Kevin Clancy]

Maybe I'm so My response was it's all good. You're never late, so it's okay. Everyone deserves grace.

[Avi Kaplan]

I go oh thank God. Yeah, he's never leave.

[Jackie Nichols]

But was.

[Kevin Clancy]

Let's start getting to the office at 11:30. Like. Yeah, I guess theoretically if, if you were to like if have this argument with someone outside of our crew and you're like we said we're doing at 11:30. I got to the building at 11:30. But when it's. We're recording at 11:30, you should maybe get here at 11:25.

[Jackie Nichols]

I had a similar, a fight when I was your age. Maybe I was a little bit younger. Yeah, no, I was definitely younger. But I was like I was young and I, I was a. I don't know, I guess I kind of did dishes at a like a banquet hall.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like a job huh.

[Avi Kaplan]

For like a job.

[Jackie Nichols]

For research for a role actually.

[Avi Kaplan]

Implies charity.

[Kevin Clancy]

Huh?

[Avi Kaplan]

A banquet hall implies charity and implies hobby.

[Jackie Nichols]

I, I don't think so.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think if you're doing dishes at banquet hall, it's not a hobby.

[Jackie Nichols]

I, I.

[Avi Kaplan]

Were you getting paid by the banquet hall?

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every week they'd send me a show. You worked like 40 hours this week. Here's eight bucks an hour.

[Avi Kaplan]

I thought I got you.

[Jackie Nichols]

But the they I. Eventually I got into an argument with my boss where he was like, you're late every day. I was like dude, I'm never late.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

And he picked out my time cards and he was like 8:02am 8:01am, 8:03am, 804am and I was like, well yeah, that's not late though. Like I'm getting, I'm getting here like three or four minutes later and, and I lost that job. But the point of it is that I agree with you. However, like when I got there at 803, I didn't have something at 8. Yeah, it wasn't like at 8 we start this. It was like the work today. We'll figure out something for you when we're here.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

So this is a sharp, this is, this is. We start recording at 11:30.

[Avi Kaplan]

That's a fair argument. And from now on I will get here promptly. What time would you guys like me here?

[Jackie Nichols]

11:30. Just be here at 11:30.

[Avi Kaplan]

We actually have to do the thing where it's like, you tell me a different time and then.

[Jackie Nichols]

No, no, no, no. I refuse to do that. You're an adult.

[Kevin Clancy]

15, and you're here.

[Jackie Nichols]

I, I, I, I, I have, like, family members who do that too. Where it's like, just lie to me. I'm like, I'm not going to lie to you.

[Kevin Clancy]

Why would I, Why would I lie to you?

[Jackie Nichols]

That's insane. I'll tell you what time it's at. If you're late, you're late. That's fine.

[Kevin Clancy]

Are you chronically late? Like, if you go out to dinner with your girlfriends, are you the last one to show up every time?

[Avi Kaplan]

Which is a major, it's like a major flaw about me. And like, I know that and I've tried to change it. It's like, not out of lack of respect for people. It's just like, I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but my sense of time is whatever. And so it's just like, I've come to just everybody who I befriend. Like, for the record, like, this is a major flaw. And if you're not okay with that major flaw, then, like, we shouldn't be.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like, I'm kind of also fair. If you, if you are, if you say, if you're like, I'm just late and that's okay. You have to deal with it. It's one thing if you say I have a major flaw.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And you can decide to be in or out, and you decide to be in then, and like, I could be killing.

[Avi Kaplan]

Like, that could be my major flaw, but it's not, it's just like.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm gonna be five minutes late, but.

[Avi Kaplan]

I'm not killing people.

[Jackie Nichols]

Five minutes is, is as long as you keep it the five minutes. Five minutes is fair. But I, I, I, I, I've gotten to a point, and I think it's because I have a lot of people in my life who do not respect the idea of time. Yeah, I, I'll just leave now. I'll leave after, like, 15 minutes.

[Kevin Clancy]

I would say 15.2.

[Avi Kaplan]

Teacher.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think in general, for appointments, meetings, getting together with someone, meetings or work.

[Jackie Nichols]

I'll actually stay later. I, if, if you're my friend and you're meeting me for dinner and you're like a half hour late, I'll just.

[Kevin Clancy]

But, but I'll give you 15.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, I'll give you 15.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I also. You got to, like, text me or something.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

Just let me know. Like, I got here on time, but parking's crazy. And then it's like, okay, fine, I know you're coming, but if it's just like, we're at 15 minutes and it might be 20, 30, 40, like.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, I'm not doing this.

[Kevin Clancy]

There.

[Jackie Nichols]

There's like. And honestly, I'm. I'm not even mad when I leave. I'm just like, whatever. I'm just going home.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like, I genuinely. I'm not angry. I'm just like. It's really silly for me to keep sitting here. Yeah, the. There is actually. There's a movie, Black Bag, which is a great movie, came out this year.

[Kevin Clancy]

Very sexy.

[Jackie Nichols]

But there's, like, a line in it where, like, that. It's a very sexy. If you're missing James Bond spy thrillers, go check out Black Bag. But there's, like, a line in it where one of the guys is always late and he says something where he's like, I know a psychologist would diagnose my chronic weakness as, like, offensive disrespect. And I was like, yeah, I feel that now. Like, again, not like, five years.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're offensively.

[Jackie Nichols]

Honestly, we're having the conversation, but I'm not talking about you.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't.

[Jackie Nichols]

Five minutes. I don't consider it. Yeah, but, like, when it gets longer than that, it is like, okay. Like, I'm really. I'm truly not talking about you. The like. But there is a point now in my life where I'm like, wow, okay, you really don't want to try to be.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think that's an. I've always had that as my personality. Like, I just pride myself on being on time or trying to be on time. And if I'm not on time, I.

[Jackie Nichols]

Will tell you I need to pride myself on it. It's just what you do.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well. Right. But a lot of people don't. So I'm like. I just. It's been a thing, like, in my family, and this is how we roll. I usually try to just be early to places. I'm like, a little bit of that. Like, if you're early, you're on time. Yeah, on time, you're late. But. But I do also feel like as I've gotten older, it's become more of a thing that, like, you just don't. You don't not do it, you know? And I think when you're younger, you're a little more like, it'll be all right.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, and it's like, and it will be all right, but it's just, you don't have to.

[Avi Kaplan]

It's always been, like, top of the list. Things change about myself, like, number one. But I, it, But it's weird because, like, I don't see it as disrespectful. Like, I can tell that there's like a complete, like, whatever. And, and then when I, like, hear other people being like, oh, that's I'm offended. Then I'm like, oh, like, I didn't even think about it.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's like a personality thing where it's like, I, if you don't view something kind of like anything that people get offended by, it's like, that's just a joke. I'm not offended when there's somebody out there who's, like, offended by it. And it's like, I kind of disagree with your sentiment, but, like, we're probably just never gonna get along if that, like, deeply offends you. And this doesn't for me, but so I can see people being like, it's just five minutes, like, what's the big deal? And somebody being like, that's driving me insane. Personality.

[Avi Kaplan]

What needs to happen is me and the other chronically leaders, we all agree on this. I need some kind of diagnosis to come out that it's like, you know, the equivalent.

[Kevin Clancy]

You have a sickness.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like, oh, they can't actually tell time. Like, they are disabled. You know, like. And so then you can't say. And it's like, it's like, like every time you're, like, yelling me for being late, it's like, oh, so you're.

[Kevin Clancy]

Now you're abusing disabled person?

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, I think I'd like. I remember Milton, when we were working at Milton, I, I, There's a stretch where I was living at home and I'd have to drive up 24 to 95 and, and I would always be like, ah, there's traffic. Or I would, I would lie about something.

[Avi Kaplan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

And then when I would turn the corner, there would actually be traffic.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'd be like, yeah, yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

That happened to me all the time. It's like you, like, manifest it and you're like, why, why can I manifest, like, fucking million do dollars? But I can invest this.

[Jackie Nichols]

Sorry. Traffic's crazy. Two people dead.

[Kevin Clancy]

God damn.

[Jackie Nichols]

How the did I know that?

[Kevin Clancy]

Son of a. I, I, I feel like I'm, I try to. I think I'm, you Think I'm on time? Yes. I think I'm an on time person, right. But I'm also always scrambling to get there on time. You know, it's like, I. My whole life is like, getting here in the morning. I'm pretty good like that. That's not too much of a problem. But everything else is like, all right, I gotta leave right now. I gotta make it here to pick them up to drop them off at practice. And then it's always by the skin of my teeth. It's a horrible way to live.

[Jackie Nichols]

Is.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I could just be like. A lot of it is usually like, okay, after the podcast, I gotta go pick up the kids at school. I should leave myself like an hour and a half to get home just because of traffic and all that. But I'm like, yeah, the podcast is flowing. Or like, we're going good. I'll be good. I'll be fine with like an hour. And then it's like 10 minutes go by to say goodbye. Now I got 50 minutes. You know what I mean? I'm like, I. I had good intentions, but it just got away from me. And I. I still will get there in time, but it is always like a. Hey, I'll probably be there in time, but just in case, could we have like, you know, our nanny pick him up as a plan B if I don't make it all that kind of. I'm just always like. And I think I said this recently on the show, maybe like one time I was late picking up my kids, and ever since then it's been like, you're always in traffic, you're always late.

[Jackie Nichols]

I'm like, it happened once.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I think it a personality thing.

[Jackie Nichols]

Those days when you're like, exactly what you're saying, when you're like, basically you wake up and you just do the math on the whole day and three minutes to spare. The whole day, though I. I've had those, like the last three weeks, and those are the most depressing weeks where you're just like, you're waking up and you're already counting down like, okay, if I do this, this, this, this, this, this, then I can go to bed.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes.

[Jackie Nichols]

It's just getting to bed.

[Avi Kaplan]

It's like, I like that better.

[Jackie Nichols]

No, I don't like having.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't like, if I'm.

[Jackie Nichols]

If I'm thinking of bed when I wake up, it's a bad day.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, brother. Guess what I do every time I wake up? I'm more. I'm more of the couch. I don't think of bed, but I think of I still to this day, I actually went through. I. I used to love it. I think I said so on the show before that doing nothing is more of a problem. As I've gotten older, I can't do it as well. And now I've come back around on like, I'm a big fan of earning your laziness, you know?

[Jackie Nichols]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

When I do have all this on the schedule, I hate, I wake up and I hate it. But when I get to like 7:30 at night and it's done, I'm like, first of all, I'm like, yeah. Because there are times the only really good part about working a shitty job is it really makes you value out outside your job. Like, getting home is like the best thing that's ever happened to you or getting to the bar or whatever your plan is when you do a job like this. You know, I remember, like, I, you know me, I like to get home and put on like pajama type clothes, soft clothes, when you are like, I work from home today. I was like, I'm changing from one set of pajamas to another. It doesn't quite hit the same, you know, but. But when you earn that, it's like, oh, yeah, I did three or four things today. I'm gonna smoke some extra weed. I'm gonna have a second serving of dinner, three desserts, and we're watching the whole season. You know, I'm like, I. I went to war today.

[Jackie Nichols]

I did that yesterday. I sent a thank you card and.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was like, so that's the other thing.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like, I did everything.

[Kevin Clancy]

I will make anything on my to do list a herculean effort. I climbed Everest today. I went to the dmv, man, or.

[Jackie Nichols]

Whatever it is, after I wrote a card, I was like, God damn, People haven't worked this hard in a minute.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that. That's earn. Earn. Your laziness is a big tenant of mine. But when. So when you wake up, are you like, get out of bed and go. Because you like, do you sleep until like the last minute? Are you like, lounging in bed and snoozing? And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, and now I need to like, shower and get ready in like 10 minutes?

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also think I have it in my head since I'm always late and this is probably gonna be disrespectful, but like, I almost think, can't wait for this. Like, like, like it's a waste of time to not be a little Late, but. Because then it's like, I could have gotten a little bit more sleep. I could have looked a little bit better.

[Kevin Clancy]

You are the most disrespectful.

[Jackie Nichols]

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wait, say that one more time so you can put that on a quote card. It's a little bit. It's a waste of time to not be late. What.

[Jackie Nichols]

What. What am I doing? You know? Like, why would I not. John and Kevin are going to wait. No, no, no. But that's not how I mean it.

[Avi Kaplan]

That's not how I mean it. Like, I mean it. Like, my brain is so warped. We're like, I think this about everything, every single event. Like, and it really doesn't matter. Like, if I'm meeting the president, I'm like, well, I could have looked a little bit. Sorry. I don't know. Like, I said, the president. Like, if I'm meeting, like, the queen. I don't know, whatever.

[Kevin Clancy]

The queen. The president.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

An important person.

[Avi Kaplan]

I didn't mean to, like, bring whatever. So I just got. I'm sorry. I got it. We gotta end this podcast. So then. So, yeah, it doesn't matter because then I'm just like. Well, I could have, like, probably slept a little bit more. Been a little bit more alert for the president.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like, wait, did you switch from the president to queen? So you didn't disrespect American head of state?

[Avi Kaplan]

Well, no, I just didn't want to, like, bring politics into it. Might seem like I'm like, I don't know.

[Jackie Nichols]

Oh, my God.

[Avi Kaplan]

Just ignore. Just seriously ignore everything.

[Jackie Nichols]

The king of Zimbabwe's coming. I'm sleeping an extra hour, that's all.

[Avi Kaplan]

No, I just didn't want to be.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, all hail or it's not a good use of time. Unless.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah, so then. So then that's what's warped in my head. So then, like, I think, like, you know, honestly, it's probably more respectful for you guys. I have to say, I gotta be alert for Kevin and John and alert. I always have.

[Jackie Nichols]

I always say what I.

[Kevin Clancy]

What I'm just.

[Avi Kaplan]

And that's why, you know, what's gonna happen next.

[Kevin Clancy]

One of these days, I'm gonna be sitting in coach and they're gonna be like, we got to close the doors to this plane. Like. And I. There's one more person. She's late. Late. And I'm just going to be dealing with Jackie's lateness while I sitting in coach. And I just realized nobody respects me.

[Avi Kaplan]

No, but I mean, you know, it's more. It's More respectful. In my head. In my head.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

And that's why I always bring such wisdom and sharpness to this podcast. Like all those extra hours of sleep. So anyways. But I do, I do genuinely apologize.

[Kevin Clancy]

What time do you wake up in the morning?

[Avi Kaplan]

We don't do. It's really not important. Kind of, it's kind of a. I.

[Kevin Clancy]

Actually would wake up at 10 o'.

[Avi Kaplan]

Clock. No. Well, so like if I work out in the mornings, then I wake up at seven.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay. And then do that on, on recording days.

[Avi Kaplan]

But then it's like I hit the alarm like a few times. So it's probably like 7:27, 30.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's fine.

[Avi Kaplan]

That's still.

[Kevin Clancy]

You have four hours to four and a half hours to get here.

[Avi Kaplan]

So. So then. Okay, that's a great question. So then my. But I like to walk and that's like my meditation is. I like to walk to this workout class.

[Kevin Clancy]

How far is that?

[Avi Kaplan]

It's like a. In terms of miles. I'm not entirely sure. In terms of walking. Oh, I don't know. But it's like a, it's like a 50 minute walk. Okay, 50. So I, so I wake up an hour before the class is at 8:30. People are gonna kind of be like, ah, she's lazy. She's never worked a real job.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh yeah, that's the point of the segment, Jack.

[Avi Kaplan]

And that's fair. And like all of this is like, yes, I understand. Like, yeah, wait, so wake up at.

[Kevin Clancy]

7, get out of bed at 7:30, go watch your class. Do your class at 8:30 to 9.

[Avi Kaplan]

I listen to music. Not that it's important, but it's definitely not.

[Jackie Nichols]

It's just the most lovely on this walk. I do have headphones. I'm not craz.

[Avi Kaplan]

No, but sometimes my soundtrack. Recently I've been trying to go no headphones. So I just sit with my thoughts.

[Kevin Clancy]

Dangerous game to play.

[Jackie Nichols]

Do the headphones but just do no music.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jackie Nichols]

The headphones, you feel safer with your thoughts.

[Avi Kaplan]

Do you do.

[Kevin Clancy]

What kind of headphones do you do?

[Avi Kaplan]

Wired, Love wired. I'm all blue wire till the day I like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Do you use. Is it sound? Sound canceling?

[Avi Kaplan]

No. No, I don't like.

[Kevin Clancy]

I actually find it pretty, almost impossible to walk around in New York with true sound canceling.

[Jackie Nichols]

The opposite. I got a new pair the other day. I, I'll. I'll have sound canceling on no headphone.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I actually don't like sound canceling in general that, you know, you can almost like Hear your, like inside now, teeth moving or you're breathing or. I don't like that.

[Jackie Nichols]

I, I got. I think this is a nice pair of sound canceling. And it has changed the way I hear music.

[Avi Kaplan]

Really.

[Jackie Nichols]

I can have it on like, it used to just be like, how loud can it go? And it would just be like this caffeine of noise in my ears. And now I just Very low volume.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're trying to listen to like a podcast or even if you're listening to like talk and you're on like a New York City subway or where it's loud, like you. It's on full blast, but it's all muffled and all that. So I, I. Sound canceling is great for the sound quality. I just mean that like in New York, I feel like, you know, someone's honking, someone's yelling. I just want to have like, especially if I was a girl, someone's gonna rate me.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, I used to be that before I transitioned. But then I, I, now I, I don't know with the music, I'm fine. With these, I'm fine. But when I was going through the airport the other day, I was stressed about something, probably late, and I, I got through TSA and I put on my noise canceling headphones and I turned it on, the noise canceling, and I instantly felt so much better.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's like an escape off.

[Jackie Nichols]

And I was like, oh, that's. That's autism.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

I was like, of all the diagnosis. When I put on the noise canceling headphones, I feel really good.

[Avi Kaplan]

I actually noticed on my balance is heavily linked to noise. Your physical balance, like when I put on noise canceling headphones, it's like I'm a pulling. Like, I can't walk in a straight line. I can't walk in a straight line.

[Kevin Clancy]

Interesting. No, I kind of get that. It. It's almost. I think it's like you like a.

[Jackie Nichols]

Obstacle course and noise canceling.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah. It's not gonna be, it's not gonna be good.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like what, like the dogs do with the Westminster.

[Kevin Clancy]

Through the humans running the dog obstacle is a pretty good idea.

[Avi Kaplan]

Sound canceling or not, that's just American Ninja warrior.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that's true. They do need to make like, American.

[Avi Kaplan]

They have one in Brooklyn.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, not. What's the opposite of a ninja? You know, just like American regular guy. You know what I mean? It's like, could a fat guy, like, hop over this little pond instead of a. I mean, the. That those guys do you literally have to be a ninja? I need like a, A regular guy.

[Jackie Nichols]

I think it's one of those things. I think that's how it starts. Started and then it was like people.

[Kevin Clancy]

Just got better and better and better. Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like how Cuban talks about Shark Tank where he's like, it's not even a show anymore. Yeah, they just figured out the game.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

And I think that's kind of how.

[Kevin Clancy]

It'S got to be because I mean some of the stuff those guys do.

[Avi Kaplan]

It'S like ninjas, like current, like are there, you know what? Modern.

[Kevin Clancy]

Let's put a pin in the ninja thing. So you get to class. You get to class at 8, 8:30.

[Avi Kaplan]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

You go till 9:30.

[Avi Kaplan]

I go till 9:30.

[Kevin Clancy]

Now you got to get home, shower, dress or no. Yeah, yeah, showering there.

[Avi Kaplan]

No home, showered, dress, makeup, like, and guys, my hair. It's just like you would, you would be late if you had to deal with this. Whatever. So that like, that's like a whole like a 30 minute separate expense minimum. So then, and then I do.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's a walk home at 9:30.

[Avi Kaplan]

No, I, I train home.

[Kevin Clancy]

Train home. Okay.

[Avi Kaplan]

I train home. 20 minute train right though.

[Kevin Clancy]

All right, so you're back by 9 o'. Clock.

[Avi Kaplan]

I'm back by. I end at 9:30. I'm back by like 10.

[Kevin Clancy]

10.

[Avi Kaplan]

Okay, fine, 10 o'.

[Kevin Clancy]

Clock. So now. Yeah, now you're cut. Now you only got 90 minutes to get ready and walk about three blocks.

[Jackie Nichols]

I don't know.

[Kevin Clancy]

I can see where the problem is.

[Avi Kaplan]

No, no, no, no. Okay, so then, okay, so the next shower and I got to wash my hair and then I got to blow. So that's, you know, 20 minutes within itself. I got to dry off.

[Kevin Clancy]

That takes like 7 to 10 seconds.

[Avi Kaplan]

That takes like, you know, drying off.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, but maybe I'm not drying off as thorough as you guys.

[Jackie Nichols]

I don't know.

[Avi Kaplan]

Okay. And then. Because I can't start the whole process until I'm. Until I'm all dried and then. Yeah, exactly. Just whatever. But like I, I'm not a big fan of like wiping like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Promo code.

[Avi Kaplan]

Wiping myself down with the towel. Like I actually don't like that feeling. So I just kind of have to.

[Kevin Clancy]

Air craziest part of all. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying that in.

[Jackie Nichols]

He was never to throw me under the bus. He's a freak.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm not even discussing the, the towel versus air drying. I'm just saying that in any other world, if your, if your boss is going through like an audit of Your time. And you're like. So then the dry off happens.

[Jackie Nichols]

A lot of people would use a towel. Not me. I like to take time.

[Kevin Clancy]

Imagine like, like, you know, I'm back at Deloitte and I'm just like. So then I get the towel, one around my waist, but one on my shoulders. And that's a whole. But.

[Avi Kaplan]

But then I'm very efficient with my dry off time because I spend that time to like prepare my products. And then also, like if I want breakfast, like make myself breakfast. Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

While you're driving. I actually have had this before. Like the drying will occur while I brush my teeth. So I'm with you on that.

[Avi Kaplan]

So that's why I say, like, it's an essential part of my routine because that sets me up for success in the rest of the 90 minutes or the hour that I have left. So then, then I, then I. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Then I just go, now what?

[Jackie Nichols]

And then an hour slips away from.

[Kevin Clancy]

Me and then I go on my phone and I go on TikTok for 45 minutes in a doom scroll abyss.

[Avi Kaplan]

I don't even go on my phone until like 11am so then, and then I do makeup. Okay. But something always goes wrong. Either I like some kind of mascara smudges or some. Or I stub a toe or something starts bleeding and I have to like bleeding. On your morning routine, there's always some kind of. What's, like, what do they call in science? Like, and like a external factor, but you know what I mean?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

And that happens. We gotta count like 15 minutes for that. Like this morning it was a toast up a toaster.

[Kevin Clancy]

And then, and then. I'm surprised you're even here.

[Jackie Nichols]

I'm surprised you give me a toast up. You're like, we gotta put a 15 minute timeout.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, sorry.

[Avi Kaplan]

It was like a toe stop and like nail bleeding type situation. So it was kind of like I had to. It was like a whole first aid medical.

[Kevin Clancy]

So now I'm by the doctor. Now I'm at the doctor. Now they're operating anyways.

[Jackie Nichols]

You know what's crazy is I can envision because everything you're saying, I've heard from any woman I ever was gonna say.

[Kevin Clancy]

The girlies at home are sweet. I know.

[Jackie Nichols]

That's how it goes.

[Kevin Clancy]

What people don't realize is when you throw out 5, 10, 15 minutes. Like that's a long time.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like if anything happens in life, if, if we just sat here in silence for five minutes, it would feel like an eternity. Like five whole minutes, depending on what you're talking about is a long time.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah. This is a side note, but that reminds me, during COVID I. Like, when I had Covid, I. Like, there was brain fog and I woke up and I couldn't remember who I was for a full minute, which is like, whenever I say this, people, they're like, oh, yeah. Like, I kind of do that, too. A full minute of not remembering what your name is, what room you're in, what, whatever.

[Kevin Clancy]

One, two, your.

[Avi Kaplan]

Three, four, five. I'm panicking. I had a full panic attack. I'm trying to think of anything. Five, six, seven. You guys know what a minute is?

[Kevin Clancy]

Seconds work.

[Avi Kaplan]

Ten. Like, I'm. Still. Nothing's coming to mind. I'm freaking out. I'm panicking. Like, I'm thinking, like, come on, your name. Like, you gotta. You gotta know your name. I could. Nothing came to mind. It was the girl who doesn't know.

[Kevin Clancy]

If she shits or pisses. Is.

[Jackie Nichols]

But it was.

[Avi Kaplan]

It was like, could you imagine not know? I could not figure out what room I was in for the life of me. It was my childhood room. Crazy. Anyway.

[Kevin Clancy]

And you're up or anything. You're just sick.

[Avi Kaplan]

I was just sick. And it was just like, brain fog.

[Kevin Clancy]

And then what, like 59 seconds, you're like, Jackie Nichols.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

Well, then it started coming to me. Like, Then I was like, okay. Like, Jackie. Yeah. I'm in my childhood. Okay. I was just like, I don't know what to do with that information, but I guess we keep going.

[Jackie Nichols]

Don't I live in New York?

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like, what the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Because now that I'm realizing that Jackie's like, a bipolar schizophrenic. Yeah. It's incredible that she's here within five minutes.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Great job.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, this is what you wanted. You wanted to be like, a disability. So now we have to respect your disability.

[Avi Kaplan]

Because also, like, whenever I, like, do something new, like, I got to wrap my head around it. Like, when I. When I say, like, okay, dry off time. Like, it's just. I'm a little slow with everything.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

And it takes me a little while.

[Kevin Clancy]

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[Avi Kaplan]

So then by the. Okay, then I have to do my hair and then that's a whole like blow drying.

[Kevin Clancy]

That actually takes a long time.

[Avi Kaplan]

Time, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

And then, and then I gotta get dressed and that's like, I don't like.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's just like I'm surprised that by now there isn't. I know you can get some pretty fancy and expensive hair dryers, but I'm pretty surprised that there's Something that is not like exorbitantly expensive but just dries your hair in like five seconds.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Just some sort of scientific like, well.

[Avi Kaplan]

Didn'T you dry come out with like the shower? That's like a shower and then a big blow dryer after. Probably like a. But like a body blow drop.

[Kevin Clancy]

A lot of amazing inventions over the years.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

It is also like, and I don't mean this really, it's just crazy how long it takes women to get ready.

[Kevin Clancy]

Nuts.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like I, if I.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's a stereotype that proves true, man.

[Jackie Nichols]

If I leave the gym at 10:40, I will be here at 11:20 and I, I'm leaving the gym, I have to go from the gym, get home.

[Kevin Clancy]

Get ready, shower, like if need be, I can take a shower in, I mean anybody. I think it's a 60 second shower and then maybe do my hair, whatever. Like. And yeah, you might walk out of the house looking like a little bit like sloppy or whatever, but you could do it. Whereas like a girl, I, I just don't think can do that.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah, I know. I'm also remembering with my routine, I did not put on deodorant this morning. So now that I'm going and if.

[Kevin Clancy]

You had a little bit extra time.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

How quick do you think you could get ready where you're not like looking like you're, you're not happy with your appearance. If you were like going on a date with your dream man, but you're also not looking like a slob. You're just like effectively looking like you. What's the fastest you think you get ready?

[Avi Kaplan]

Like showering.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes. You have to shower, get your clothes on and do hair and makeup. That's like again, you're like presentable but you're not like putting on a full beat. You're not like curling, drying, straightening. You're just kind of like, you feel like you.

[Avi Kaplan]

If I'm not washing my hair, I could do it 30 minutes, 20 minutes. If I'm washing my hair like 45.

[Kevin Clancy]

Minutes from, from the drying mostly from drying the hair.

[Avi Kaplan]

For the drying of the hair, even washing and just like brushing it through.

[Kevin Clancy]

Getting all the shit out of your.

[Avi Kaplan]

Washing hair. Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

When I do, when I like wash, shave hair when she was younger, it's like got the handle out.

[Avi Kaplan]

You have to like wait three minutes like for the conditioner to set in. Like all that.

[Kevin Clancy]

What you can say three minutes there, there you go. If you stop doing the conditioner thing, you're good. You would have been here at 11. Oh two, I wouldn't even notice.

[Avi Kaplan]

Anyways, that's the routine. I'm sorry. And I'll be back. And from now on, 11:20, right guys?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes, ma'.

[Avi Kaplan]

Am.

[Jackie Nichols]

That's it.

[Avi Kaplan]

But I don't mean it in a disrespectful way.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I just believe that. Yeah, I mean it inherently is disrespectful. I just know that you don't believe it is.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's just like that makes you feel a little better. You're not like, you're like accidentally spitting on my face.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, exactly.

[Kevin Clancy]

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[Avi Kaplan]

Can I also in terms of you, the, your odd. The autism that you mentioned before, the. I brought up this podcast, Telepathy Tapes.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was, whoa. I was looking for that two days ago. Whoa.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was like, Jack, like we were looking for a show and I was like, let's put on the show Jackie talked about. I didn't realize that it's not a show. It's.

[Avi Kaplan]

It's a podcast.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. You put like a YouTube video. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean it's on YouTube, but it is Just audio is my point. Right.

[Avi Kaplan]

I don't think that you're gonna like it because it's, it's a little too like. Well, actually you might. Yeah, totally. Yeah, you're right. You're gonna like it. He won't like it. It. But it's very. And it gets pretty, it gets pretty like religious towards the end, which I wasn't fully whatever, but. But it like keep. You have an open mind about it towards the end.

[Kevin Clancy]

So if people don't know. It's a series on a podcast of an autistic. A mother of autistic kids, like, came to realize that her kids were like almost communicating.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah, she's not a mother, but she like interviews a lot of mothers and a lot of like other autistic kids. Like, it does an incredible job where, where like I truly believe like there's something there.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

Like they're like, they're superior and like, I like.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's like X Men, man. They're gonna like take over the world.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah. I don't know if that's like offensive to say, but like I like, it's so crazy. It's so well done. Like I, if I had an autistic kid, I'd be. I am saying it now, but like I'd be stuck. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take that up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Pretty pumped diagnosis. Sweet. I mean, yeah, that's. The savant stuff is like, obviously there's a lot of problems that come with it, but like what they. What you can zero in on and do, you can do better than anybody in the world.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Pretty, pretty nice to society that we dropped the idiot savant. We just, we just use savant now. He's mostly an idiot, but also common, I think. I think there is a house episode where Dave Matthews plays an autistic piano player, like a concert pianist. And they can't figure out what's going on wrong with them. But I believe they repeatedly refer to him as an idiot savant.

[Kevin Clancy]

Speaking of pianos, do you guys. I've seen this floating around the Internet. A lot of people latched on to it recently. The dude who played the piano for Mr. Rogers. If you, if you go back and watch Mr. Rogers neighborhood, every time he's like walking in the door. It's a very like jazzy like type of piano and it's different every single time for like, you know, 20, 000 episodes. Mr. Rogers neighborhood. He like always just kind of freestyle that he's like a world class pianist who like just clicked with, with Fred Rogers. And was just like, yeah, I'll do it for you. And just like every day. Just played like a new, new like improv piano thing. But it's like so close that you might think it's just like a track they play, but it's like every time it was a world class piano player doing his thing.

[Jackie Nichols]

Kind of like White Lotus. Oh. It's always the same song, but it's just different.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yes, Right, right, exactly.

[Avi Kaplan]

Pianist. We should just not. We should just say piano.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I totally. It's like when people say anal.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah. You know, it's like every single piece of inside of me jumps.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, say it.

[Jackie Nichols]

Call him gay. I'm gonna leave it alone.

[Kevin Clancy]

If I was a pianist, I would, I would be like, we need a new term here. Or we at least got to put a different inflection in. You know, I'm a pianist.

[Jackie Nichols]

I say pianist.

[Kevin Clancy]

Pianist. I would never say that word, but pianist. Yeah, yeah. Maybe I'm saying it wrong. Whatever it is, we need to scrap the whole world.

[Avi Kaplan]

My mom's name is like Pam. So then whenever it's like, you know, the first initial, like, and then it's penicles, like that's just. Oh, that's funny.

[Jackie Nichols]

Oh, that's just good. That's just good old humor right there.

[Kevin Clancy]

Comedy.

[Avi Kaplan]

She doesn't buddy it that funny. Anyways.

[Kevin Clancy]

What do you guys, you think Donald Trump's going to heaven? This is my, this is my favorite thing. This.

[Jackie Nichols]

Is that a question?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, his. Well, so he was on Air Force One and they were talking about him trying to broker peace in the Middle east, which I think Donald Trump's declared peace in the Middle east like three times in the last like six weeks. And like every time there's a, a hostage attack and a bombing, like immediately after. But he said. So Donald put out a newsletter in August. And the tag, the, the subject line of the email was, I want to try to get into heaven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This happened like back in August and he says, I want to try to get into heaven. And then it was like, donate money to like the, the administration. And like, I'm gonna do this, that and the other, and I'm gonna get into heaven.

[Jackie Nichols]

Shut the up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Let me show you the screenshot of it. This, this kind of came and went back in August. It kind of came and went. And I remember being like, this is crazy. Right?

[Jackie Nichols]

He sent out a mailing letter to. To not constituents. I guess we're all constituents to supporters. Are we his constituents or constituents? Only for smaller Level politicians.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was it, that was like, it was like a spam type email, like a promotional thing.

[Jackie Nichols]

I want to try and get to heaven.

[Kevin Clancy]

And then the, the body of the email was just like A, you know, J.D. vance, Donald Trump 2020, 2028 or whatever. The, you know, and so I remember that happening. And it kind of came and went. And then on this interview on Air Force One, they said, you know, you're trying to, like, I think it was actually about Russia and Ukraine and the, Let me, let me, let me just play for you. A couple weeks ago, you were doing.

[Jackie Nichols]

An interview and you talked about how.

[Kevin Clancy]

You hope to end the war in.

[Jackie Nichols]

Ukraine because it might help you get into heaven. How does, how does this help?

[Kevin Clancy]

Does this help?

[Jackie Nichols]

I mean, you know, I'm being a little cute. A little cute. I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven. Okay. I think, I think I'm not maybe heaven bound. I may be in heaven right now as we fly an Air Force One. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make heaven.

[Avi Kaplan]

That I respect.

[Jackie Nichols]

That's where I thought it was going.

[Kevin Clancy]

I guess the most honest answer a president has ever given. But of course, now there's like evangelicals being like, you know, he's the Antichrist. There are people being like, well, if he doesn't think he's getting into heaven, then like, I can no longer support him because that's what matters most. And then there are people like Trump. So Eric Trump was like, if he wasn't heaven bound, he wouldn't have survived the assassination attempt if he wasn't. And which is like that. Actually, you could make the argument right. The next one, he goes, if he's not heaven bound, if he's not heaven bound, how come the flag was perfectly over his head when he survived that assassination attempt? I was like, well, that's because you guys set up a photo op because.

[Jackie Nichols]

You hung a flag. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You ushered in a bunch of the.

[Jackie Nichols]

Same reason he was journalist podium. This is what was happening.

[Kevin Clancy]

And then the last one was, how is he's got to be heaven bound? Otherwise, how did he beat Hillary? I was like, these are just things that just happened that you're now attributing to eternal paradise.

[Jackie Nichols]

Let me tell you about the Democratic National Convention. Yeah, the, the, I, I, I feel like maybe I shouldn't even let him know about this. But you guys all know about the heaven cheat code, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

What's that?

[Jackie Nichols]

You just confess?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. You said, my bad.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, it's a. It's a pretty good code we got going here. I. I don't know if he's a Catholic. I don't think he's a Catholic.

[Kevin Clancy]

No. I think that was a big deal, right? Wasn't JFK the only Catholic president? Everyone was a pro.

[Jackie Nichols]

Biden was one too.

[Kevin Clancy]

He was Catholic?

[Jackie Nichols]

I believe so. He's got me wrong on that.

[Kevin Clancy]

They've leaned into the religion stuff pretty hard. He's got Catholic. No. Who? Trump?

[Jackie Nichols]

He's Christian, but I don't, I don't think.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't think he's not Catholic. That's what it is. Everyone's Christian. Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah. He's what, Episcopalian? Presbyterian.

[Kevin Clancy]

Presbyterian.

[Jackie Nichols]

What was Biden? I don't think he was Catholic, but he did do some Catholic.

[Avi Kaplan]

Can someone remind me what the difference between Catholic and Christian is?

[Kevin Clancy]

Second Catholic.

[Jackie Nichols]

Second.

[Kevin Clancy]

What is that one Catholic after.

[Jackie Nichols]

Wait, so he became.

[Kevin Clancy]

I thought you was gonna say second Catholic.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was like, what's a second Catholic?

[Jackie Nichols]

I thought you were saying, like, he was born something else and became Cathol Catholic. Because those ones are the ones you really want to keep away from.

[Kevin Clancy]

They made the choice. I was raised this way in brainwash. You chose.

[Jackie Nichols]

You're fine. Normal. If you converted a Catholic, you're not.

[Kevin Clancy]

You joined the cult. I was born into the cult. You joined the cult. Catholic is Protestant. Formed so you could get divorces is like the main thing.

[Avi Kaplan]

Got it.

[Kevin Clancy]

So they, they. Everyone believes in Jesus. And then you have your various rules that come off the, off from there. And. Yeah, but folks, it's the foreplay, guys.

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[Kevin Clancy]

You know, it just cracks me because I understand the basic notion of, like, if Donald Trump says, I don't think I'm gonna get into heaven, that implies that he knows he's not that great of a person. And I could understand where someone would Say I want a president who like, is not a bad person, but at least.

[Jackie Nichols]

Who at least pretends to be a good friend.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't know.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not getting to heaven, but I, I've been president. You know what I mean? Like. Yeah, and I think that would be an honest answer for all presidents.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, you've seen some. I'm not going. Yeah, that was. My point is like, bro, if you've ever got your finger on the trigger of a bomb or missile or an attack, you're getting into some dicey territory where if you're making your decisions based on the eternal party in the sky, you're probably not doing the things you need to do. Yeah, like I would hope that the guy who's controlling nuclear weapons and coming up with like foreign and domestic policy or at least enforcing these things worried about all this where you got to make some like morally ambiguous decisions for the greater good and all that. I hope he's not basing that on heaven. That might probably is just a fictional made up thing.

[Jackie Nichols]

Dude, imagine if you were really like, you believed in heaven, but it was also your responsibility to drop bombs. You'd be like, I'm gonna know exactly where this bomb is landing. You know, I mean like, I'm not accidentally hitting a fucking wedding with this one. I want to know. Give me the course. I'm doing the coordinates. Where does this bomb land? Well, that's like that Jordan, my eternal soul depends on. You'd be pretty serious.

[Kevin Clancy]

A lot of you think a lot of decisions differently, bro.

[Jackie Nichols]

I think if you really held anyone's feet to the fire. Do you really believe in heaven?

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, that was Jordan Jensen's bit was like, I don't think anyone actually believes because otherwise you would be a radical freak. Cuz you'd be like, I don't want to spend eternity in like the flames of hell.

[Jackie Nichols]

No, no, my God, we're good. He's different than the books you've been reading.

[Kevin Clancy]

I want, I'm surprised that I think the next step just because the email a few months ago and now all of this, I'm like, I don't think this is by accident. I think everything is like PR and spin. I'm waiting for Donald Trump to come out with his own version of heaven.

[Jackie Nichols]

Just be like, it's, you know, it's.

[Kevin Clancy]

Called like Maga Land. And you don't have to get into heaven. All you have to do is like, pray to me and you can get into my afterlife. That'd be the next Grip.

[Avi Kaplan]

I almost feel like nuclear stuff, you could justify greater good. Jerking off is probably the one.

[Jackie Nichols]

You.

[Avi Kaplan]

Could justify the least. Like, just be like, there's no reason for me to get into heaven based on how much. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, I'm trying to think of, like, the sin that's like, the least justifiable. Any. And it might just be what's wrong with jerking off? No, nothing is wrong. But, like, in terms of justifying, like, why this needs to get done, like nuclear bombs, you're like, it's for the greater good of America. It's protecting. And, like, we got.

[Kevin Clancy]

What if I told jc, I get up to the pearly gates, I'm talking to him and Peter and whoever else. I, I, I, I, I didn't want to. I didn't want to be, like, a womanizer. I didn't want to cheat. I didn't want to get something out of wedlock. And so I need to get that out in a safe and contained way.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're like, this is pretty decent.

[Jackie Nichols]

More of a reverse werewolf situation.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I'm just trying to keep this monster out.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I could see Jesus being like, yeah, pretty compelling argument.

[Avi Kaplan]

I said jerking off. Like, open to interpretation. Like, open to more suggestions. It wasn't like a locked in I'm.

[Jackie Nichols]

Watching task right now. I just caught up last night. Unbelievable.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, everyone, I said this yesterday. Finish your point, then we'll talk about.

[Jackie Nichols]

There's the Grassanova, the. The detective when he first learns that Mark Ruffalo's character was a priest, he was like, he. He was like. I was like, I'm cool. Like, I get most of the rules. I do genuinely understand most of the rules. He's like, what I don't understand is why God gives a if I eat meat on Friday. And I was like, that is a good point. Like, I'm sure there is some reason somewhere in the Bible or whatever, but.

[Kevin Clancy]

That'S how I treat religion is. I basically am like, I. If you don't believe in, like, the big picture of, like, do unto others, then it's. That's like the most. Just be a good person. Yeah, but it's some of the nitty gritty that's just like. I think these are all mechanisms to get money from you. Or, like, just grab the golden rule part.

[Jackie Nichols]

That's all you need.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wasn't that rooted? I think the meat thing is rooted in, like, fish. Like, fishermen, like, benefited from that. Like, I think there was, like, a pragmatic thing that they like, put into place where it was like, we'll sell more fish if we tell them we can't eat meat or something like that. Where it was rooted in, like, the same thing of, like, you have to, like, pay your tithes every week for this that the others. Like, we're just trying to get money.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, I think that was one that was rooted in some, like, corrupt. Corrupt.

[Jackie Nichols]

That makes sense.

[Kevin Clancy]

But. But that's inherently.

[Jackie Nichols]

That's what I thought. Religion. When you said masturbation, I was like, also, yeah. Eating meat on Fridays.

[Kevin Clancy]

Probably.

[Jackie Nichols]

Probably a pretty.

[Avi Kaplan]

That's probably what that gets you.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm gonna eat my steak, jerk off at the same time, and I'm still getting into heaven.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah. Jerking off is somehow more godly than. Or, you know, I mean. Yeah, more godly than I think it is. You know, I mean, I think it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Might be more godly than what?

[Avi Kaplan]

Well, then, like, eating meat on, like, again, you're right. Eating meat on Fridays. I feel like it's like, you'd be like, come on. Like, come on. Like, at the. If you did do that.

[Jackie Nichols]

I also, you know what I think is. Is interesting here, your choice of words with jerking off enough. Because I.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I.

[Jackie Nichols]

And I agree with you. Men should go to hell for it. I mean, you're.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay, I was just about to say.

[Avi Kaplan]

But.

[Kevin Clancy]

But no, I was about to say.

[Jackie Nichols]

That exploring your bodies, I'm desecrating.

[Avi Kaplan]

In general. I just meant, like, it's. It's a very, like, you know, alone task. And that's why it came to mind is like, that's kind of for human, only for you. But then you're right, you're. It is for the greater good.

[Jackie Nichols]

Honestly, it probably is. But I, I still. I. I think there is a difference in. Because I think. I think the problem with masturbation in the eyes of the Lord is, like, it is. It's disrespecting your temple and the way I do what it is.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

But, like, I think for most women, it's probably not.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm trying to find this. Oh, wait, it's so funny say this, because I just. I stumbled upon this Instagram and here it is.

[Avi Kaplan]

My nails are atrocious. Just getting ahead of that.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like, ran out of time.

[Kevin Clancy]

This woman posted. She's. I think she's kind of like a sex therapist on, like, Instagram.

[Avi Kaplan]

So, you know, you said woman.

[Kevin Clancy]

What? Never mind. Well, shut up. So, yeah, she's a tantric from the modern woman. So it's like a sex sensuality coach. Whatever. The reason I bring this up is this was her. It said, pov, you spend all morning in bed self pleasuring, which already off the rip. What I do is not self pleasure. What I do is borderline crime, you know? But this is how this girl, like, I guess just straight up masturbates in the morning.

[Jackie Nichols]

Let me get a better look there. Oh, my God.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was a moment.

[Jackie Nichols]

Moment for sure. All right, let's see what this part.

[Kevin Clancy]

The point. The point was just how like, sensual and romantic this all is, right?

[Avi Kaplan]

She's.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, she's about to just hammer herself with a glass dildo, but she's got a glass of water. She's showing herself, like wiggling around in the. And like, if. If a guy was to make a video, it would say, POV me cracking hog. And it would just be me over the same for like 15 seconds where I'm like, okay, now I can start my day. You know, the differences are astounding in that department.

[Jackie Nichols]

But.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I was gonna say I feel like we go to hell and girls are like self exploring. What'd you say? Exploring your body, self pleasure, whatever. But maybe, but maybe not. When like, I think if you guys.

[Jackie Nichols]

Also the argument that you guys are violating your bodies up.

[Avi Kaplan]

Well, I don't know, I feel you're like inserting.

[Kevin Clancy]

If you're inserting, you're hammering yourself.

[Jackie Nichols]

If you're using something, you're probably. You're crossing God's threshold. Not me. I stay out of the store. Just knocking on the door. No one's going in. Open the up.

[Avi Kaplan]

Knocking on the door.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, I'm wondering though, if you were like a priest, if you're in the church and you. And you're like, I don't know, teaching a, a religious class for teenagers. Right. I could see the guys are going to hell. But also if some girl was just like, oh, yeah, I just hammer myself, I think I wouldn't be too happy with that either.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah. If you've masturbated doggy style, you're going to hell.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. If you have positions for your own masturbation. There's a Halloween costume this year for something from the Mandalorian, something from Star wars or something like that. And it's. You get one of those Boba Fett helmets, and then I guess at some point he has an alien popping out of his chest, right?

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So the idea is it has like these straps that you can put on your chest and then it looks like some popping out.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yes, yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

But when that's not on your body, it looks like a strap on. And that the dick is an alien mouth. You know what I mean? And, and the fact that, like, my mind jumped there, I was like, they've gone too far with, with the tentacles and the horse things. It's like if I look at a alien mouth, I should not even be considering anything sexual, But.

[Jackie Nichols]

Sounds like the thing the guy wore in seven.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what it was. Yeah, yeah, it's exactly that. I'm sure if somebody would.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah. That. That is the. Your prime example of female PR versus, like, we just know how to package things better. We know how to PR things.

[Kevin Clancy]

Explore your body versus just like beat your dick.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah. You guys, you guys are like somehow like taking down the patriarchy every time you masturbate, whereas we're just throwing ropes.

[Jackie Nichols]

And I'm a woman and this is beautiful. I got a finger in my ass. I'm like, me too.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's also something inherently like, if there's no cleanup afterwards, unless you guys are really going to town, you can kind of just do it and go. The fact that afterwards you're just like, all right, my knuckles are covered. Doesn't really wash off. It kind of coagulates, just the whole aftermath.

[Jackie Nichols]

What happens when you're messing with protein based liquids?

[Avi Kaplan]

John's favorite topic.

[Jackie Nichols]

You want to use a cold water and get that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Gross.

[Jackie Nichols]

I'm having fun today. Yeah. Sweat my ass.

[Kevin Clancy]

So, so Trump. Trump, in or out? So anyway, back to politics. Fall is here. School and work. I've ramped back up. Activities are happening. The weather's changing. The boss is back. This, you know, the fun and, and laziness of summertime is over. So now life's getting busy, right? And so that means you're going to skimp on meals. Cooking for yourself, eating right. You need something that you can do quickly, that's no fuss, no mess, and is affordable and gives you all the nutrients and satisfaction you need. And that's where Huel comes in. H U E L It's like fuel, but Huel is complete meals in a bottle that make you feel full, focused and ready for your day. Right now they have the Black Edition powder. They also have their super greens drink in a can. And all these are less than $3 per meal. It's packed with 40 grams of plant based proteins and 27 essential vitamins and minerals. There's no sugar, it's gluten free, tastes great, has all sorts of different flavors. They got salted caramel, salted Caramel.

[Jackie Nichols]

So that's, that's your, that's your jam.

[Kevin Clancy]

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[Jackie Nichols]

Yes. Google guy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Reddit guy. Reddit, yep. Co founder of Reddit, businessman, just like, you know, super rich dude. I never saw him or knew anything about him other than he was founder of Reddit and he became Serena Williams husband. I always thought, just probably through my reputation, my assumption about what Reddit is, I was like, this guy's a weirdo. His name's Alexis. I don't know. I was like, alexis, you founded Reddit and you're like this white nerd who is now married to this like black bad goat. You know what I mean? I was like, this is weird. And I assume that he was just like a weird foreigner. I don't know why. Just tech overseas invented Reddit.

[Jackie Nichols]

Alexis.

[Kevin Clancy]

Alexis. Weird, right? Euro. Something like that couldn't be more wrong. He. So Stephen A. Smith last year said when Serena Williams came out at the super bowl with Kendrick Lamar and Crip walked, that was a shot at Drake. Serena used to date Drake. She comes out with Kendrick, Crip walks. Kind of like you, right? Stephen A. Smith was like, if that's my wife, don't even bother coming home. Because clearly you are still so hung up on your ex, you've got issues with him and you're not like focused on me, like, no, thank you. Probably definitely like, you're. First of all, you're speculating about someone's relationship and that's probably an immature take. But I think there's a Lot of people out there that understood what he was talking about, and probably a lot of people that agree with him, whether or not you. You should, you know, insecurity. But, like, I think that's not that crazy of a take. But it's, you know, it's like disrespecting someone's marriage. Fast forward, I guess, what, nine months later, Alexis Ohanian goes on to promote his, like, new company. He goes on first take. And Stephen A. Smith was not in studio. He was on remote. So it's not perfect, but Alexis Ohanian's like, oh, Stephen A. I was hoping you were going to be here, because I thought maybe you have some marriage advice for me. And Stephen A. Smith, who, you know, has the gift of gab and is always on the offensive, was backtracking on his heels. Like, yeah, you know, I mean. I mean, headlines are headlines. Like, couldn't get it out and then. And so already kind of like, you kind of won the battle already. Because he was. He was respectful and was like, I don't have anything to say to you. There's nothing I can't tell you. And. And he was like, yeah, because you're not married, right? And Steven Smith's like, yeah, no, no, I'm not. So I'm not married. I'm not qualified to give you advice. He goes, yeah, because, like, so I speak on topics that I know about. So I talk about and tell people how to build billion dollar companies. Because I build billion dollar companies. And it was just like, you know, it was like, stop, he's dead.

[Jackie Nichols]

He's dead.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, And. And then I come to find out he's also 6 5. So had it been in studio, it.

[Jackie Nichols]

Would have been, like, towering big, too, though. Steven is like, six, five, two.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, really?

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, six five, six, five, stretch. But he's like six three.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, wow. That. That was me assuming because everyone you meet is like, five, seven.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I thought he would be like, a tiny little journal.

[Jackie Nichols]

He's a big dude.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wow.

[Jackie Nichols]

So that's six one. I'm sorry.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, no, but that's still like. Yeah, I thought it was gonna be like, six five to, like, five, seven, like, you little twerp. You know, but to. To just call him out like that and then be like, yeah, I only speak on things I know, like billion dollar companies. And then Stephen Smith went on his podcast and was like, clean shot, totally fair. He's like, now I. I do kind of stand by what I said, and, like, if you really wanted to press it, I would reiterate. It, but it didn't escalate. And I'm happy for them. I don't mean any disrespect, but it was kind of a cop out. He kind of, like, totally backtracked.

[Jackie Nichols]

But it is. I do respect being like, yeah, he was like that. That was like, if you get called out for a bad take, just be like, yeah, it was a bad take.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, but also. And this is what I want to say from, like, a content point of view. I think it's very different. It's the day after the Super Bowl. We're all critiquing and analyzing and saying what we liked and didn't like about the super bowl halftime show is a lot different than, like, I'm in the room and having a conversation with her husband. You know what I mean?

[Jackie Nichols]

No, no, sorry.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, he was very respectful and kind of backtracked, and people were like, what a. And it's like, like, well, when I'm on a panel just talking about the super bowl and this is one of the talking points, I have opinions. I would never say to his face, I don't think your wife loves you, man.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah. You know what I mean? But I also. I wouldn't share. I don't think I'd share it either on the panel. I'd talk about it, but, like, I wouldn't be like, don't come home.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Particularly.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's still a bad take if I.

[Jackie Nichols]

Don'T have a wife. I've never been married. I have no idea what that relationship is. Like, I would. I'd be like, that's a little odd, I think.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Jackie Nichols]

I wouldn't be like, don't come home. You clearly love someone else.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. It was. It was aggressive. It was a bad take, for sure. I just think that we all give bad takes when you're just talking on a show.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Versus, like, and now I'm talking to the person or talking to their husband or whatever, which inherently you are kind of flip flopping and backtracking, but I think you almost should flip flop and backtrack when the circumstances change.

[Jackie Nichols]

And I also think it's cool that Alexis was like, I'll twist the knife now. You know what I mean? Because like, like what you're saying, we're like, you're just talking like, I'm just talking.

[Kevin Clancy]

Me too.

[Jackie Nichols]

I'm just.

[Kevin Clancy]

We can all just talk.

[Jackie Nichols]

Our point, what it's like having a wife and what it's like building billion dollar companies. Yes.

[Avi Kaplan]

But I don't think. I don't Think that's like being legally married makes that much of a difference. Like if Stephen A. Smith has been in a long term relationship, well then.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was the other. A lot of people like, so what? It's almost like when people say like, you don't. You never played the sport. You can't talk about it. It's like, well, there's certain things you inherently cannot understand.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But also, don't tell me I can't speak on this.

[Jackie Nichols]

That's also like, like 100. You can speak on whatever the you want. But like if someone is to go, but you don't understand. Yeah, you go. You're right, I don't. You know, don't pretend you do. Yeah, you're right. I don't understand.

[Kevin Clancy]

Never had a wife, so I couldn't.

[Jackie Nichols]

What my perspective and what I understand about the world. This is how I think I'd react.

[Kevin Clancy]

If he said like I was once married or in a long term relationship. And, and I saw signs about a person who was hung up on their ex and it didn't work out for me. So I'm telling you, like, I wouldn't do that. It's a different story.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Then just like you shouldn't. Nobody should. It's like you have no it's clue.

[Jackie Nichols]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, I, but I, I do think that would be a little weird. I think if it was like, hey babe, like I got this plan to like stick it to Drake. I think I'd be like, okay, go do like, I don't love that. I wouldn't like stop you from doing it. But there would be part of me that's like, oh, so you're really still thinking about him, huh?

[Jackie Nichols]

I, I guess. I don't know. Because it is just funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a funny joke on the super bowl halftime show.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'd be like, yeah, yeah, do your thing. Yeah, that's a good joke.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, clearly he, he loves a good burn. He just, you know, threw a kill shot at Stephen A. Smith too. So maybe that's, that's how they roll as a couple. And that's the point. You never know what people's, you know, relationships are.

[Jackie Nichols]

But man, it was, we're, we're multi billionaires. We only exist to embarrass other people. That's all I get these days. Like literally nothing else means anything.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

I feel like if you could monetize from it like how actors, you know, kiss other people on screen.

[Jackie Nichols]

Similar, but I also playing a role.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I do also feel like pretty often when you're like making out and kissing on screen and stuff. A good amount of examples where that goes south.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know what I mean? Another one, right? Be like, you're an actress. I respect it. But I'm not gonna pretend that like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie's on the back of my head. Yeah. And you know, Glenn Powell and Cindy Sweeney, all those things.

[Jackie Nichols]

It just, it would be in my head, you know, I was reading gq. Glenn Powell's on the COVID GQ this month and last month and there was the big expose on them, the holster bang. And they asked him about the Sydney Sweeney.

[Kevin Clancy]

Love triangle break triangle type thing.

[Jackie Nichols]

I was not with. I forget if he was engaged.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think they both were like engaged and they both went on a break or had problems. That's why people were connecting all the dots and.

[Jackie Nichols]

And he had such a cool response to that answer where. That question where it was like, it was like your girlfriend or fiance, whatever she was, has mentioned that like, she wasn't super comfortable with like the marketing aspect of how you and Sydney chose to market it. And he was just like, yeah, you know, like we talked beforehand. But you know, everyone's got their story. Every breakup ends and then everyone goes to their own brunch and tells their own story. And I was like, that's a cool.

[Avi Kaplan]

That'S a cool way to be.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like. Like quickly says, like, I don't know, I thought we talked about it. But everyone tells their own story. So what are you gonna do?

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, that's every, every breakup is really not worth even talking about. Really anything is. Is not worth the people who are on your side or like back you already believe you or already know, like the circumstances and the people who are against you don't care. But the, you know, so like trying to be like, here's why my. I'm justified in this breakup is like, are you talking to people who already kind of know that or believe that, that then you don't need to. The people who think you're the bad guy, they're not going to change. So there's no point in telling anybody this.

[Jackie Nichols]

That's most conversations.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's what I mean.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like, it's whatever.

[Kevin Clancy]

Almost explaining yourself is the most futile exercise in the world because it's like either they're with you already or against you already. And unless, you know, of course there's certain situations, but for the most part, ain't nothing changing. You know, it's like, oh, it was actually in self defense and a Bunch of people are like oh yeah, we knew that it was self defense. There's a bunch of people like no, we're a murderer. It's, it's, it's. They ain't changing their mind. Nobody's changing their minds about anything.

[Jackie Nichols]

No. And, and you also. It's like boring. Like I don't know.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know what I mean?

[Jackie Nichols]

Like there's I don't know anything. You can find all the information you want as long say everything. I don't know, whatever.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's, it's the dinosaurs. I think, I think it looks like this.

[Jackie Nichols]

I don't know. Let's just turn into fossil fuels.

[Kevin Clancy]

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[Jackie Nichols]

Hattery to my underp.

[Kevin Clancy]

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[Jackie Nichols]

I had a question. I had this the other day. I don't know why I had this question the other day. I might just like thinking about Ireland. What do you think is the historically speaking the smallest country that has had the largest cultural impact?

[Kevin Clancy]

Let me look up A list of just small countries.

[Jackie Nichols]

What came to mind was Ireland, Jamaica, I think Portugal.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, I got a little bit of it.

[Jackie Nichols]

And by the way, I also mean. I mean, like, culturally.

[Kevin Clancy]

Can I give you a cheat code answer and then we'll get it. Real answer.

[Jackie Nichols]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

The Vatican.

[Jackie Nichols]

Vatican, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Oh, but that's, like, you know, that's not really real.

[Jackie Nichols]

I. I kind of thought of Amsterdam or. Or I guess Holland, because they invented the stock market, so that's pretty huge. But that's not. That's why. I'm sure that's why I changed it to culturally, like, cultural impact. I think Ireland's pretty tough to beat.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah. Japan is pretty small.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was gonna say Japan.

[Avi Kaplan]

Japan's like a whole. Like.

[Jackie Nichols]

But I wouldn't say, you know what for America.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know what I would say? I kind of think maybe just let me just look this up real quick, because maybe I just don't know the. The size. I definitely don't know the size of countries. Well, I guess it's pretty big. England's a pretty small country for how much? I mean, they ran the world. England.

[Jackie Nichols]

That kind of doesn't count because, like, culture obviously didn't really start there, but culture as we understand it, you know, Like.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, I feel like, like, white culture. Like, white people. Yeah, I think is England. It's spread out, but it's. Yeah, it started there.

[Jackie Nichols]

And that's not like, population, like, 15.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, so you're talking.

[Jackie Nichols]

No, but I was kind of just factoring it all in.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay, so. So. So there's no.

[Jackie Nichols]

There's no.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's 50, 000 square miles is England. So, you know when you're talking about, like, okay, I'm. Some countries, too, you know, like, what was the other one you threw out? All right, let's. I mean, Ireland and England are probably similar. Relatively same size. Right.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like Ireland.

[Kevin Clancy]

But you're saying was. There's like. Like what? Like whiskey and beer and Irishman, like, that culture. Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like, I think I. I would say. And it's probably because that's the culture I'm most involved in.

[Kevin Clancy]

Y.

[Jackie Nichols]

That Irish culture is probably the biggest of all these in America. Right. Like, as far, like, you think about art, like, the artist. I guess there's a lot of English, too.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't know. I think. I think English is more of, like. We don't even think of it as, like, English, but it's, like, technically at all kind of. Yeah. And then I think, like, it's. Ireland's kind of an offshoot of that. But technically England would be like the big overarching, you know, if I was to get technical about it. But, but, but I think any, I mean, you know, Europe is like really crammed in there. They're all like pretty small. But I'm sure there's a couple, I guess.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah. Well, no, but Italy's, Italy's pretty big, right? At least.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

The boot at least land size is pretty.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But you start to compare it to of course, like America or something like the, the countries in Africa. Yeah, they're just. Australia. Yeah, they're just huge.

[Avi Kaplan]

And are we talking mostly on Western culture? Biggest impact on.

[Jackie Nichols]

Oh, it's just that, that's my, where my knowledge.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like, I, I, I'm not, you're not allowed to bring in Eastern culture. But I just, I, I can't really speak on it that well.

[Kevin Clancy]

My first, My mind did go to Japan just because of like technology.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like they do have such a culture of even.

[Avi Kaplan]

It's just like cleanliness. Like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

I guess once you bring in like video games, you got to give that.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

And so then. Right. Japan probably has video games.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I would guess. How about this?

[Jackie Nichols]

Sony and yeah. Nintendo.

[Kevin Clancy]

This is a, Is Nintendo Japanese too?

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Monaco.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Being like the luxury wealth culture.

[Avi Kaplan]

I was gonna say that too.

[Kevin Clancy]

And they have 39, 000 people. That's pretty small.

[Jackie Nichols]

39. But what do we, what do we do?

[Kevin Clancy]

That is, that's what I mean. Like, it's not really like, no one would be like, oh, that's Monacoan or something.

[Jackie Nichols]

What bleeds into our culture from them. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.

[Kevin Clancy]

Jamaica didn't make this list. Maybe the strongest cultural output to size ratio ever. Reggae, ska, dance hall, Rastafarianism, Bob Marley in general.

[Jackie Nichols]

Whites are still alive. Yeah, that one's funny. We're keeping that the slang.

[Kevin Clancy]

Your answer. I think you might be right with, with Jamaica kind of being the good. If you throw out the Vatican and like that. By the way, the population of The Vatican is 800 people. But yeah, like slang, rhythm, aesthetic influence and hip hop, fash, youth culture across the world. Marijuana.

[Jackie Nichols]

Like, there's also so many options like Cuba.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Jackie Nichols]

Cuba's probably got. Cuba's probably not. Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico's huge.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah. But I would say like Monaco right now, like F1.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

[Jackie Nichols]

Isn't it like.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, but yeah, but Monaco is where they're like big.

[Jackie Nichols]

We wanted. But their big races are everywhere. Like, every one of their races is a big race.

[Kevin Clancy]

But when I think if you were to ask me, like, what is, like, the biggest F1 thing, I would say Monaco.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, probably.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think Monaco's culture is like, tax evasion. Any, like, rich people who are, like, you know, doing white collar crime, that's Monaco country culture. I like that question, though. It's good.

[Avi Kaplan]

That is a good question.

[Kevin Clancy]

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[Jackie Nichols]

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[Jackie Nichols]

I know him. I don't know his music. I know the shower video.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So d' Angelo is a. A musician who died yesterday and was probably like the most talented musician of all time. Like his early albums, he only had three albums. Albums. But his first album was like written, produced, composed, arranged, performs, lyric, all like everything. It was like front to back with like maybe one or two other like artists who like kind of helped out. But it's. He's like really one of the most talented artists of all time. And then he got famous from it. And then that music video you're talking about was the song untitled, how does it feel? Where he was just naked and it was a camera slowly spinning around him. And he became like a sex icon because of that. And he, he. He could not handle fame. He did not like being a sex icon. He like struggled with the push pull of like being an artist and a successful artist. So he kind of became a recluse. And then he had addiction problems. Only ended up putting out three albums. But it's kind of like heralded as, as this like unbelievable musical icon. And so when he died, I was like, oh my God, I can't believe it. And then I started to think back. I was in fourth grade when his album came out, his first album. And I was a, A fourth grader. A ten year old or. No, I was. Yeah, I was in elementary school. It's like 10 years old. So even younger than that. Second, third grade, something like that. In third, fourth grade, white kid in the suburbs of Pennsylvania listening to this soulful black man R B funk thing, you know. And it just got me thinking on like weird music I used to listen to growing up, specifically R B because I liked rap. And then that, you know, R B just kind of becomes an extension of that. That. So like when I was in elementary school, I was listening to like R B music. That's so weird. I specifically have this vivid memory in 1994. It was. I think so. I was nine. My brother was 13. My parents got us a pool table for Christmas. Like a pretty, pretty. Not a full one, but a pretty. Not one of those Fisher Price ones, like a real pool table. And that was like our, our big present. For the year. And then the rest was like, little small things. And CDs were such a big, big part of our lives at the time that it was like, you get all the CDs you want for Christmas. We were playing pool and listening to the new Boys to Men album on repeat. And they. And that album, by the way, their album is Boys to Men. The album is two. The Roman numeral two has, like, six singles that were all. It's like one of the biggest R B albums of all time. But we're singing, like, I'll make love to you. We're playing pool, like, singing Water Runs Dry or, like, down on Bended Knee. And then I just went through all of the. The, like, black R B, like, sex music that, again, I was listening to as not only a white kid in the suburbs, but a child.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

A baby. It's. It was weird. And I was like, does anyone else have this experience? And I know people did, but the amount of people who were like, everyone you listed. Yup. Like, I had those albums. I was listening to it. I loved it. And we're all kind of from the same demographic. It was like, oh, we're all just the same people, huh? We all just have the weird, weird, weird. Like, all the same weird childhoods.

[Jackie Nichols]

I. It's funny you bring that up, because I was saying the Pabs the other day, we were in an Uber that was playing music that I hadn't heard in a while. And it's kind of same type deal. Like, it was my younger music. And now you. You talking about it is in my mom's car. Like, if I was driving around with my mom, which was more often, like, during the week, it was my mom, weekend was my dad. But, like, that sounds like they got divorced.

[Kevin Clancy]

Horse didn't. It was just.

[Jackie Nichols]

We had a hockey. But the. It would be Usher. My way is what we listen to my mom's car and then my dad's. It would be Rage. So we listen to Rage against the Machine. Like, my dad's car was Rage against the Machine. The who? The Offspring and the Rolling Stones.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yep.

[Jackie Nichols]

My mom's was Usher My Way and npr. And so that's basically who I am.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Those are the two sides you listen.

[Avi Kaplan]

That's.

[Jackie Nichols]

That's who. That's me.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Those car rides. Nice to meet you.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, starting at the age of, like, seven. Yeah. Like. Like 1992 is when, like, Snoop and Dre and Tupac and all that was, like, on the west coast. And I was, like, listening. And now that I have my own kids. I'm like, you know, Shay's listening to like, Taylor Swift and like, both the kids listen to the K pop demon Hunter soundtrack. They're not listening to nothing but a G thing, you know, maybe they are, but they're not doing it, like, as openly. I. I would be like, get me Dr. Dre's album. Get me, you know, R and B albums for Christmas. Just very weird. Sure. My parents like, what the Here.

[Jackie Nichols]

I don't know.

[Avi Kaplan]

Man Eater. Nelly furtado from like 7 to 10, which is such a good song.

[Jackie Nichols]

Dude. Nelly Fado. I saw her recently.

[Kevin Clancy]

Her voice is unbelievable.

[Jackie Nichols]

She is awesome.

[Kevin Clancy]

She's a good one.

[Jackie Nichols]

Unbelievable.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I mean, a lot of those.

[Avi Kaplan]

She come out with recent music. I don't know.

[Jackie Nichols]

I think she's a Coachella. I think it was. She was just on stage at Coachella and I just, I saw her and.

[Kevin Clancy]

I went, oh, hell yeah. Still works.

[Avi Kaplan]

And Hathaway type still hits.

[Jackie Nichols]

Not in Hathaway type. Very different than it happens.

[Kevin Clancy]

And it's just. But I'm sure, I think.

[Jackie Nichols]

When did Anne Hathaway start? Because I, I remember the blog I wrote about getting old and I remember I was like, I don't even know if people are going to relate to this.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, they did, because I, I did a video on it as well. And people were like, like, hell yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah. I was like, I know I'm old because I. I don't want to Anne Hathaway, but I want to have breakfast with her in Cozy Nook. And I read the paper.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I want to put on NPR with her sweet love. Yeah. Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

She, she.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. I would say, I think she has said that winning the Oscar, when she won the Oscar, I don't even know what she went. But she had the short hair and that era. Yeah, I think she said, said. I think she has some quote about like, winning the Oscar was like the best and worst thing that ever happened to her because it just like put her in a box and made people think of her a certain way and all this other. But people were talking about.

[Jackie Nichols]

I saw someone recently talk about Bradley Cooper. The way they're like, he's just doing his Anne Hathaway thing where like. And I. I didn't know this public doesn't like Bradley Cooper right now.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Jackie Nichols]

I. This is, this is like. This is when he was doing Maestro. So this is like last year and it was like he's doing his Anne Hathaway thing where he wants an odd Oscar Too bad.

[Kevin Clancy]

So trying hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

I gotta check the box. I didn't remember. I didn't pay attention that closely when Anne Hathaway went through that phase, but.

[Kevin Clancy]

It seemed like, yeah, probably similar vibe. Yeah. You know who I think is a little bit in just terms of, like, looks like we're like, all of a sudden, you're kind of like, oh, wait a minute, I'm into her. My new Anne Hathaway is Dakota Johnson. Dakota.

[Avi Kaplan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, I saw she's wearing a lot of those, like, sheer dresses.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

A lot of things. And I was like, oh, wait a minute. You're super hot. I remember when she was the 50 Shades girl that a lot of people were like, she's not hot enough or sexy enough. And I feel like there's like a reputational thing with her. And then I don't know if enough time went by or different looks or something, or I got older, but I was just like, oh, hell yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

I think for me. For me, I. I just learned a lot more about her personality.

[Avi Kaplan]

I was just gonna say, you know.

[Kevin Clancy]

What I think helped her with that. That video she dunks on. Ellen.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

She was one of the first people to come out and be like, you, Ellen. And that. And people were like, oh, yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

I think. I think from 50 Shades of Great. Which I've never, like, just the promo of it and all that stuff. I kind of just. I don't know, I just didn't like the way her look didn't really connect with me.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

And then I started to know who she was. Like, as a per. Like, the. Like, she. She considers Antonio Banderas and Mark Johnson her dad. Not Mark Don Johnson, her dadson.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

And she, like, speaks Spanish because whoever her mom is married to.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Antonio Banderas now and has been, like, for most of her life.

[Kevin Clancy]

Interesting.

[Jackie Nichols]

And I've just seen, like, just. Just interview clips of her, and I'm like, oh, damn, that chick's gonna cool as hell.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

And guess what? Once you're cool, you.

[Kevin Clancy]

I always thought it was cool, too, that, like, I don't know, 50 shades of gray fans thought it was a good casting or bad casting, but she went all out for that role.

[Jackie Nichols]

She was.

[Kevin Clancy]

She showed it all. You know what I mean? She was like. She was committed to the cause.

[Jackie Nichols]

I actually really want to see her. Her new movie. I think it's on prime now. It's like. I forget it's two, like, it's comedians.

[Avi Kaplan]

Chris Evans and.

[Jackie Nichols]

No, no, no, no. It's materialist. I've seen Materialist. Materialist is fantastic.

[Kevin Clancy]

Fantastic.

[Jackie Nichols]

That one's really good. People. I don't think people loved it as much as I did, but I haven't seen it. But the. It's called like Splitsville and it's a lower budget movie.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think that.

[Jackie Nichols]

I think it's just two comedians wrote it. They play the two guys and it's two relationships that are ending.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Supposed to be very good.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah. That. Yeah. She might be my new.

[Avi Kaplan]

I wonder if Bobby Altoff based her personality around Dakota Johnson.

[Kevin Clancy]

Interesting.

[Jackie Nichols]

I wouldn't say. I, I don't know much about Bobby Altoff, but like, I don't think she's cool, is she?

[Avi Kaplan]

No, but I'm saying like in terms of like dry, dry humor.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like what I like about Bobby is she's very self aware. Yeah. Very self aware. Like she knows she caught a wave and is just capitalizing on it. Started a podcast and then I think ended the podcast to launch a new podcast. And I think the, like the, the kind of the rollout was like, yeah, this show needs to end. Cuz like no one was even asking for this. You know what I mean? That sort of thing. Like. And then, but then she just started a new one and like episode one was with Drake.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So it's like she.

[Jackie Nichols]

I think she's restarting the same podcast pretty much.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think so. And I think she just knows that it's like, yeah, I'm not like an artist. I don't really like even deserve this. It fell into my lap, but I'm gonna still run with it.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And enough people like it and I get all these interviews with the rappers. So like I'm doing something right. You know, it's like, you got lucky, whatever, but you're also doing something right. If it's so I. And, and she I think is pretty upfront about that. So I think that's, that's a good way to be. Yeah. The best way to handle like undeserved fame, I think is to just be like. Yeah, I don't know. I. It happened for some reason, you know, not the typical one, but it happens. But to go back to task, I think Task is the most underrated and under talked about show in like many years. Like it's an HBO Sunday night 9 o' clock show, so it's popular and people watch it. But I think it should be getting the talk and the, the, the, like the culture around it should be like those other 9pm Sunday night HBO shows. And it's not getting that treatment.

[Jackie Nichols]

But I think it's gonna start.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Because I think in the Winter is.

[Kevin Clancy]

Gonna be big series, even short. I think it's eight.

[Jackie Nichols]

Oh, really? Maybe it's not gonna get it because I thought six it like, was it six that's out or five that's out?

[Kevin Clancy]

It's all out.

[Jackie Nichols]

The whole show's out?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

Oh, then I'm not caught up. I'm only on like episode.

[Kevin Clancy]

I thought I was on like five or six. This week was the, the. The finale.

[Jackie Nichols]

This past week was the finale.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yep.

[Jackie Nichols]

Oh, me.

[Kevin Clancy]

I didn't realize that. But that's what I mean. Even that it's. You know what I mean? Like, I think, I think it should have been like. Let me just make sure this. I mean, I know I watched the finale, so it must be. Wait, maybe I didn't.

[Avi Kaplan]

I don't.

[Kevin Clancy]

Cuz. Cuz. Cuz I did episodes. Let me just see. It's six. It's six. It's 6 episodes. And let me just make sure.

[Jackie Nichols]

Oh. That it's definitely done.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, it is seven. Okay, so there's one more. Okay, that makes sense because what I. So then my. I guess my point here is that the penultimate episode feels like a finale for sure. Like you. They could have left it after seven. There is a, an open ended thing, but they leave it in a way where it's like, okay, I know where they're gonna go do with that. That. And it could have ended there.

[Jackie Nichols]

I. I'm obviously not sure what you're talking about. I think I only did five last night. But there are two murders that were as not violent because they're not particularly violent, but as jarring as Opie's. Like, I don't know why. It just hit me the same way. Not, not in the sadness of it, but in like I felt it like it was like, oh, that was a brutal killing.

[Kevin Clancy]

Which ones?

[Jackie Nichols]

The Saran Wrap and brutal. And the dragon drowning. Both those. Like I really was like, oh my God, this is violent.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's another one that's a. You'll see that there's. There's another death in there that was like the, the.

[Jackie Nichols]

The Saran Wrap one in particular. Like, I was like, oh, they're like, like it wasn't like. I, I thought as he was doing like the Saran Wrap around the head. I thought it was kind of just gonna, like it was gonna let you go. Like it was gonna cut to a new scene.

[Kevin Clancy]

I thought that was to like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna Cut all your breath and then I'll poke a hole in it and then you tell me what I want or whatever. And they just.

[Jackie Nichols]

And left as he like fell to the ground. And then he's still like trying to get his last breath. I really was like this. I was great.

[Kevin Clancy]

Obviously that show though in general is just like awesome. Yeah. Like in great acting, in depth storylines, probably a little bit silly far fetched with some things. But like all the best shows kind of have that. I think that should get a lot more respect than at least it's in the. It might get nominated and win awards and. But in like the zeitgeist pop culture realm film. I feel like people should be talking about it like the premiere, the, the finale's coming out. Like Game of Thrones type. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's that good. I really, really like that though.

[Avi Kaplan]

If I were to next want to watch Task or Black Rabbit or your friends and neighbors, which should I.

[Kevin Clancy]

Task, Task.

[Jackie Nichols]

Task. Friends and neighbors.

[Kevin Clancy]

Blackout.

[Jackie Nichols]

Black Rabbit's not very good.

[Avi Kaplan]

Really.

[Kevin Clancy]

Black Rabbit. But it was, it was the ending of that is.

[Jackie Nichols]

It's so many things fun to watch but like it's just. You're just watching for Jude Law and Jason Bateman, which is a reasonable reason, a reason to watch the rest.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think Black, Black, Black Rabbit is like two or three major decisions of like storytelling and writing away from being good.

[Jackie Nichols]

It's a perfect Netflix show. It's good to watch. It's. It's like Chinese food.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah. It's entertaining but you're not. Yeah, there was some silly much after. Yeah.

[Avi Kaplan]

Have you guys watched Chad Powers?

[Jackie Nichols]

No.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay.

[Avi Kaplan]

That's like entertaining. It's with Glenn Powell.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh yeah. Okay.

[Jackie Nichols]

I might watch that one day. I. I don't not want to watch it.

[Kevin Clancy]

It.

[Jackie Nichols]

But good. It's just one of those like if I, if I, I got other stuff.

[Kevin Clancy]

I want to watch that feels like I don't know anything about it. But it seems like a good show to watch. With a girl.

[Avi Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's like girl's going to like it. You can probably tolerate it.

[Jackie Nichols]

Ted Lasso.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie Nichols]

It's a comedy based on a commercial that interesting. Which I mean Ted last was great. So like I. Hopefully they nailed it as well.

[Kevin Clancy]

I got one for you. The Last Frontier on Apple tv. Apple TV has some gems and they don't talk. They just put them out there and they're like, if you like them, you like them, no big deal. Otherwise, I don't know if that's their plan or they don't have a marketing budget or what? There's some heaters on Apple tv. It's. What's his name? You're gonna know him like right away when I show you him. He was in that show Brotherhood.

[Jackie Nichols]

I think not.

[Kevin Clancy]

Jason. Jason. It is Jason Clark. Oh, Jason Clark. Yes.

[Jackie Nichols]

Oh, he's in the new Hulu show too. The Merchant Murdoch, Murdoz. Right, that redheaded South Carolina family that look like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, like it's based on a real.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, he plays the dad.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes, I'm seeing that right now. Yeah, that's a crazy story that. That guy, he like.

[Jackie Nichols]

Jason Clark's in a show called the Frontier on Apple.

[Kevin Clancy]

Apple tv. The last frontier on Apple tv.

[Jackie Nichols]

I'm gonna watch, bro.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, it's great. It's great. The opening scene felt. I thought it autoplayed after I was watching something else on Apple tv, so I wasn't even aware what it was. I thought it was the Dark Knight. Night Rises with Bane, there's like a. So the idea is a plane with inmates is flying over Alaska and there's like a jailbreak situation. Same sort of like Bane thing where they ready, plane crashes, plane crashes. But it's like a safe crash landing. And they're in like this tiny little rural spot in. In Alaska. And Jason Clark is the sheriff of this town that is always just like this idyllic, like no problems ever. And now they have like 30 inmate murder freaks on the. On the prowl. And one of them is like a CIA asset turned bad. So hard right now he is. He's trying to like protect the town while also coming to realize that the CIA, some of the CIA sent somebody. Actually, it's not even the CIA, it's multi agency. So it's like I work with CIA and the NSA and they're this and that. So it's like the deep people people. And so he's like, I'm trying to protect. I'm dealing with this plane crash and my town. But there's also a lot deeper going on. Like, it's like a black op. It is. There's only two episodes out. The third one that comes out today, it's a Wednesday show and I was watching it and I was like, this is like the best show I've ever seen. Like, and it's obviously a little bit silly with plane crashes and inmates and all that stuff, but it's like, this is so entertaining and good.

[Jackie Nichols]

Yeah, I can't. I cannot wait.

[Kevin Clancy]

Really.

[Jackie Nichols]

Watch that.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's another apple that's just like, like tell the world, guys. Yeah, Apple needs better.

[Jackie Nichols]

I knew Jason Clark. I was very excited. I actually, it's not even a story I'm interested in. I was just excited that Jason Clark had a new show coming out. So now, now there's one that I'm interested in. Yeah, the other one, that Myrtle one looks good too. I'm gonna watch that too.

[Kevin Clancy]

He's got the, like, the badass but, like, noble sheriff type thing going. And he's just like, I swore an oath to these people.

[Jackie Nichols]

I can see him playing the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Almost exactly. He's like, I swore an oath to protect these people, and if you and our government's lies put them in danger, you and I are going to have a problem. And then, then that happens. He's like, I told you we were going to have a problem if you endangered lives. And now. And it's like, ah, great.

[Avi Kaplan]

I'm surprised that Apple hasn't come out with a movie that's fully shot on the iPhone. Oo to kind of promote iPhone. And it would get, like, a lot of views people would be curious about.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think there are shows or movies doing that, but. But yeah, Apple should, like, make that their thing.

[Avi Kaplan]

Absolutely. Make that their thing or TV show.

[Kevin Clancy]

Anything else?

[Avi Kaplan]

I don't think so.

[Kevin Clancy]

Let me just run through if. Yeah, I think we're good.

[Jackie Nichols]

That was a good clean hour and a half, pod.

[Kevin Clancy]

Beautiful. Let's go.