The Man in the Red Bandana: Welles Crowther's Story Told by His Sisters Honor & Paige

Summary

KFC Radio – The Man in the Red Bandana: Welles Crowther's Story Told by His Sisters Honor & Paige

Date: September 11, 2025 Hosts: Kevin "KFC" Clancy & John "Feitelberg" Feitelberg
Guests: Honor & Paige Crowther (sisters of Welles Crowther)

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Episode Overview

This special episode commemorates the 24th anniversary of 9/11 by honoring Welles Crowther, known as “The Man in the Red Bandana”—a Boston College athlete and banker who heroically saved at least 18 lives during the attacks. For the first time, Welles's sisters, Honor and Paige, join KFC Radio for an in-depth conversation that moves well beyond the well-known story, sharing intimate perspectives on Welles as a brother, son, and the legacy and impact his actions and story have had on their lives and the broader community.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Legend vs. the Brother (05:00–14:00)

• Honor and Paige reflect on the difficulty of reconciling Welles the beloved brother with Welles the icon.

  • “He has become so much more than just our brother... you have to stop and think, and, like, really pull up those memories to be like, yeah, no, he was there and, you know, it. It's. It's him.” —Honor (05:34)
  • Paige shares how surreal it feels when enormous figures (Obama, Bloomberg) reference her brother at public events.

• The anniversary of 9/11 as a day of positive remembrance:

  • “I don't see that as, like, a hard... It's actually not a hard day for me. It's like a beautiful day of celebrating Wells's life.” —Paige (07:12)

2. Wells’s Unique Place in the 9/11 Narrative (09:00–15:00)

• Welles bridges multiple identities—victim, hero, first responder, teammate—which helps his story resonate so widely:

  • “He wasn't a first responder that morning. That morning he went to work. And so he represents all the people who just went to work that day. And yet he also represents the first responders who went to work and perished.” —Honor (09:29)

• Reflections on the transcendent hope his story provides:

  • “I think that there's... especially post-9/11, everybody was looking for some kind of hope. And... to have a story like this come out, I think... gives you a little bit of hope to the human condition.” —Honor (19:25)

3. The Red Bandana—Family Quirk to Symbol (22:16–26:47)

• Personal family stories reinforce how the red bandana was a normal object in their household, before it became a symbol:
  • Paige recounts bringing her cherished red bandana to Ground Zero, even before knowing its significance:
    “Shortly after 9/11... I brought this bandana with me... for my tears, because I knew, I'm sure I'd be crying. And it just, like, I will hold, cherish this forever.” —Paige (23:28)
  • “Our dad's bandana was a part of our entire childhood... Wells had his all the time... he wore it under his helmets and stuff like that.” —Honor (26:00)

4. “Destined” or Not—Welles’s Calling (11:37–32:15)

• Welles felt called to something bigger:

  • Honor recalls a conversation with Welles about his doubts in finance and search for greater purpose:
    “He always knew, even if we didn’t know, that he was gonna do something special. He did always know. He always knew he was destined for something else, something bigger.” —Honor (30:02)

• Discussion of his application to the FDNY as evidence his heroism was no fluke:

  • “Even if this didn’t happen... he was out sick that day or just made it out... he was still filling out the paperwork to sign up to do those things.” —KFC (32:01)

5. Grief, Gratitude, and Legacy (37:47–54:53)

• How the siblings process public attention, grief, and meaning:

  • “It wasn't always, like, we weren't always able to... talk about this so freely. Have to remember it’s been 24 years.” —Paige (67:14)
  • “We generally do... things that bring meaning back to us... the other 51 weeks of the year, it's pretty... normal.” —Honor (54:07, 54:56)

• On gratitude for being able to keep the legacy alive and inspire others:

  • “It's also who we are and how we were raised to be. It’s not like Wells’s actions that day inspired us to become that way. We kind of, as a family, were sort of that way.” —Paige (37:49)

6. The Growth of the Red Bandana Tradition (43:29–53:05)

• Organic, student-driven adoption of the red bandana at BC’s annual football game—a “bucket list” American experience:

  • Paige describes how it began with BC students and then exploded nationwide with ESPN coverage:
    “It just was immediately exploded. It was so amazing. And so then the next call I get is from Boston College inviting me to fly down with... the football team.” —Paige (47:21)

• Hosts and sisters discuss the unique power of sports, and why the tradition means so much:

  • “There's just... I think there's always a fine line between, like, support and respect and honoring and maybe inserting yourself into it or, you know, exploiting and all that. You know, the privacy is not an option.” —KFC (16:05)

7. Real-Life Welles—Funny, Silly, and Typical Brother Moments (58:27–67:04)

• Paige and Honor share favorite goofy Welles moments:
  • “He opens my windows, pulled up my nightshirt and picked me out of bed and held my belly against the cold window to, like, get me out of bed.” —Paige (59:19)
  • “He would put me into all of his hockey gear... Set me up in front of an ice hockey goal in the driveway and say, 'Don't. Whatever you do, don't move.' Just don't move. And practice slap shots against me.” —Paige (59:50)
  • “He also... would disappear from a party and come walking back out with no pants on and go, ‘Has anyone seen my pants?’” —Honor (66:07)

8. Processing Grief & The Day's Meaning for the Family (67:07–76:36)

• Paige talks honestly about depression and healing after 9/11:

  • “Grief is a bitch... It didn’t hit me right away... I fell into a bit of a depression following 9/11.” —Paige (67:04–67:55)

• Honor discusses raising her own kids and how the next generation processes Welles’s story, including her children’s book:

  • “‘My Late Uncle Joe, the Man in the Red Bandana’ was written in an effort to be able to talk to her children about 9/11.” —Paige (69:44)
  • “It’s an unimaginable, a real and factual, not overly scary way of telling Wells’s story to that audience.” —Paige (70:20)

9. Faith, Fate, and the Spiritual Side of Welles’s Legacy (76:36–79:31)

• Honor recounts searching for solace at church on 9/11 and wrestling with faith:

  • “I absolutely had those kind of thoughts of, how could there be a God? ... You can't help but think, yes, this... maybe this was some grand plan after all.” —Honor (77:02)

• On “guardian angel” symbolism:

  • “One of the women that he saved, Ling Young, says that in the piece, 'he was my guardian angel.’” —Honor (79:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with timestamps)

• On reconciling hero vs. brother:
  “He’s become so much more than just our brother... Honestly, now I've lived more of my life without him than I did with him, unfortunately.”
  —Honor Crowther (04:44)

• On remembrance vs. private grief:
  “September 11th just happens to be a very memorable, memorable d[ate] that my brother perished... I love it. I think it’s beautiful his spirit is remembered annually by so many people.”
  —Paige Crowther (15:11, 15:31)

• Describing the moment the red bandana became a symbol:
  “I had my bandana with me that day for my tears... before we knew anything about the man in the red bandana.”
  —Paige Crowther (23:08)

• On Welles’s calling:
  “He always knew he was destined for something else, for something bigger.”
  —Honor Crowther (30:02)

• Paige on public grief:
  “It's a really supportive, wonderful group of, like, highly intelligent and capable friends of Wells's and members of our family who participate, too... there's a whole community around this with us for whom we are very grateful.”
  —Paige Crowther (72:27)

• Welles as everyday hero:
  “He never, ever wanted somebody to feel like they didn't belong. No one left behind.”
  —Honor Crowther (37:09, 37:19)

• On what people can do:
  “We raise a lot of money for children’s organizations primarily... and we have the Red Bandana 5K up in Boston at Boston College. But... for anybody who wants to run on their own... they can still register and run or walk or run, walk.”
  —Honor & Paige Crowther (73:20–74:38)

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Key Timestamps/Sections

• [05:00] – Reconciling personal grief and public celebration
• [09:29] – Why Welles’s story resonates: his multiple identities
• [22:16] – The personal history of the red bandana
• [30:02] – The sense that Welles knew he was ‘meant for something’
• [47:21] – BC’s Red Bandana Game and the ESPN segment’s impact
• [59:19] – Childhood hijinks; Welles as a typical brother
• [67:04] – Processing grief and the healing journey
• [69:44] – Telling Welles’s story to children; Honor’s children’s book
• [77:02] – Spiritual undertones and “guardian angel” reflections

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How Listeners Can Honor Welles’s Memory

• Red Bandana 5K: Annual run in Boston, open to in-person and virtual participants—register and participate wherever you are.
• Welles Remy Crowther Charitable Trust: Donations contribute directly to children's organizations and various youth charities. [Link available in episode description]
• BC Red Bandana Football Game: Marked annual event—visit, support, and experience firsthand.
• Visit the National 9/11 Memorial and Museum: Welles's story and artifacts are featured, offering education and inspiration.

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode balances powerful emotions, humor, and hope, revealing not just Welles’s extraordinary final acts but also his everyday kindness and family spirit. Both sisters express deep gratitude for the ongoing remembrance of Wells, and approach their roles as stewards of his legacy with humor and grace. Their stories illuminate the transition from raw grief to sustaining hope—using Welles’s example to inspire compassion and action in others.

Memorable closing words:
“I think what you guys do and how long you've continued to do it and how much longer you're gonna have to do it... combined is its own battle. And... one that I think you guys chose to take on in the same way that he chose to take on his.”
—KFC (71:57)

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For more information, event details, and links to the Trust and children’s book, see episode notes and description.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

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All right, today is the 24th anniversary of 911 and as you can see here, I'm holding the red bandana with number 19 in honor of Wells Crowther, who was known as the man in the red bandana. Which is, if you're not familiar with the story, what I believe to be the most incredible inspirational story maybe ever and the one that sticks out above all others that occurred on 9 11. It's the story of a 24, 26 year old BC lax guy, just like any one of our fans or anybody who works here at Barstool would have fit in with with the rest of us. The only difference was he happens to be one of the biggest heroes of all time. He was working as a banker down at the World Trade center and he saved 18 people that day when he could have just saved himself and ran out the door. He went up and down several times and saved 18 people. The only people to survive the zone where the the planes hit. And after the fact, his family learned that he was the man wearing this red bandana. And the number of people that stepped up saying, a man in the red bandana saved me. The only reason I got out was because of the man in the red bandana. And they slowly came to realize that their son, their brother, was an American hero. And so his story has grown over the years and turned into this movement and this iconic inspirational story and color and accessory. And so we have his sisters Honor and Paige are here today doing their first real media appearance to talk about their brother and tell the stories of of him as. As a friend and a brother and a son and a hero. So we're very, very appreciative and very honored to be a part of the story in even just a tiny way. So it's honor and Paige representing Wells Crowther on today's KFC Radio. Okay, let's get into it. So I, before, actually, I guess I want to say before we really start, we have like an informal rule. A couple weeks ago, a few different members of my show, we were crying on, on the podcast and about silly stuff. And my co host said the next person who cries on the podcast has to shave their head as a way to get us to stop crying. And I was like, we're going to suspend that role for me, at least for me today, because I tend to get emotional. But I really appreciate you having you guys here. And I know, you know, I've lived in New York my whole life and have friends and family who are affected. So I know this week is a difficult one or I think different people process the things differently and all that, but I appreciate, you know, taking the time as we record this on the 10th. So, yeah, it's an honor. I mean, I find it to be one of, if not the most captivating human interest piece of all time. And I know it comes from a place of, you know, it's very unfortunate for your family, but what it's done for everybody else is, I really believe, one of the most amazing things I've ever heard.

[Honor Crowther]

So thank you.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, I mean, he, It's, It's. I can't even imagine from your guys point of view how it all feels. Is there like a weird dynamic with that? Because it is, of course, it's a source of pain for you guys and one of the worst things that's ever happened, but then also inspires so much hope and so much good. So I would imagine if I was in that spot, it would be a very difficult thing to juggle.

[Honor Crowther]

I don't know how. I certainly won't speak for Paige, but I'm sure at some point she'll tell you how much younger she is than I am.

[Paige Crowther]

I already did.

[Honor Crowther]

Oh, so there you go. 10 minutes ago. So it might be a little bit different for her, but honestly, it almost feels like Wells, almost like, did he really. Was he really my brother in the sense of like. I mean, honestly, now I've lived more of my life without him than I did with him, unfortunately. But also the kind of miraculous person that he became is a different person than the kid and the teenager and the college student that I grew up with, not in a bad way, but just. He has become so much more than just our brother.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Honor Crowther]

That it's like you have to stop and think and, like, really pull up those memories to be like, yeah, no, he was there and, you know, it. It's. It's him. And it's sort of hard to, you know.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Like, separate him from the.

[Honor Crowther]

Or. Or know, like, bring them to back together. You know, like, there's. He was just our brother.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, right. Like, I think of the bandana and him as like a symbol, but it's your brother, who I'm sure was amazing but also drove you crazy and you had funny moments and. Yeah, yeah. Like, things where you wanted to be.

[Honor Crowther]

Like, he's an older brother.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, right.

[Honor Crowther]

They were telling you fighting, and you're.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

And then now mainly me.

[Paige Crowther]

That's right. Me.

[Honor Crowther]

She helped.

[Paige Crowther]

I was an incident. Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah. But I mean, he's. It's like a symbol, but it's like. Yeah, that's just. That's just Wells. Right?

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah. Sometimes I would say it doesn't feel like it's my life. Like, I'm like, oh, this is my real life. That this is. Especially, you know, in big events when things occur and. Or somebody new learns or Wells. Or like the opening of the 911 museum where President Obama chose to speak about Wells. I mean, it's just last year we went to the 911 Museum annual fundraiser and Bloomberg got up and spoke about Wells. I mean, these, like, are incredible moments that make me go like, oh, hey, that's my brother they're talking about. Right. That's really cool. But to your earlier question, when you said, like, is it a tough week? I'm not so sure it's a tough week. Like, I think it's very present this week and tomorrow when so many of our friends and families and connections and people in our network who we don't necessarily speak to every day, but are thinking of us and reach out to us. Tomorrow will definitely be, like, a social media heavy day for us, which is really special. But I don't see that as, like, a hard. People often open that phrase with, like, I know today must be really hard for you. It's actually not a hard day for me. It's like a beautiful day of celebrating Wells's life. And, you know, I think I. I get to say that 24 years later. I didn't feel that way necessarily, year one anniversary. But I do think it's just, like, so beautiful. How many different People in so many different areas of my life now think about Wells. And I will say not a year goes by where one of the people in that network reach out and say, you had Wells's story on your show. So, like, you must know. Thank you very much for. For that and for continuing to spread the story, because, like, colleagues reach out and they go, oh, my gosh, I just heard it on barstool. You know, like, it's.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Well, you know, I mean, I am honored to even be a tiny, tiny spec. Shred involved in any of this. It's.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah. Like I said, well, you've always sponsored it. You've always sponsored the story.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

So truly my pleasure, and I will do it until I'm off this earth. So, you know, it's. I. I think what's so interesting about it, obviously, there's so many families, so many New yorkers, victims, everything. 3,000 people. But it's really, in my mind at least, though, the one that gets. The only one that gets singled out in whether it's what he did or the red bandana, all of it coming together. It's kind of a day where everybody gets remembered. But then if there's one story that sticks out in my mind, it's this one.

[Paige Crowther]

And that's just your algorithm.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Not to. Not to diminish anybody else's story or to, of course, you know, count. But it's. It is, though, I think, the one that just shines above them all, because it's just. It almost is like. Like you just said before, like, is this real life? It almost. It seems like a movie. It seems like a book, a script, and a tragic one, but a beautiful one, and all these things. But it's also like that it was real and it happened is.

[Paige Crowther]

I think.

[Honor Crowther]

I think Wells brought so many different pieces together. You know, he wasn't just a victim because he heroically led people to their safety and stayed to try to help more. But he wasn't a first responder that morning. That morning he went to work. And so he represents all the people who were perished who just went to work that day. And yet he also sort of represents the first responders who went to work.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Interesting. Yeah.

[Honor Crowther]

And, you know. And perished. So I think it. I think it pulls from so many different angles.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Honor Crowther]

And so it's easy to connect it to whatever it is that you might be speaking of that day.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

And an athlete and a teammate. Right.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah. And all of that.

[Paige Crowther]

So many other.

[Honor Crowther]

Right.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

And he saved so many different types of people, different backgrounds, ages, ethnicities, that. Yeah, it really is. I mean, I guess if you really had to be reductive and boil it down, it's like that's the. The essence is bringing it, everything together, people together, stories together.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Sadness, happiness, all of that. Like, he's the. The focal point of it all. Did it? Did it. It sounds like from what I hear, that was almost written in the stars for him, like he was now. But I also feel like when tragedy strikes in any form, sometimes things get romanticized or exaggerated or, you know. But it seems like it really was that way with him, that he was destined to help people. And I mean, the quote about, I'm gonna, you know, this. The bandana is gonna, like, mean something to this world. What, like, weeks before. I mean, that's crazy. That's like if. If you don't believe in higher powers, karma, faith, whatever. Yeah. Learn this story. And like, how could you not, right? I mean, it, to me, it's like, I. It seems like he really was destined to be that. Right. Is that the. The truth of it? Because, you know, you said earlier he was just my brother, but did you guys ever feel that until it happened or after it happened or.

[Paige Crowther]

No.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah. I mean, why would you, right? Because it's just like.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah, no, I mean, it's. You're right, looking back on it and having that perspective and retroactively, obviously. Right. But I was only 17 when Wells passed away. I was kind of like, oh, that's my big brother. And quite honestly, he moved out of the house when I was 10.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Paige Crowther]

So really my experiences with Wells after age 10 were these kind of flashes of memory.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Paige Crowther]

Or like visiting him in college.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Seven years, you said?

[Paige Crowther]

Yes, seven years.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Exactly what I. With my sister. And like, we're close now, but like, as we were growing up, it was like, she remembers when I came home from college, she remembers some holidays and stuff, but that, like, day to day is not really necessarily there, you know, I do.

[Paige Crowther]

I remember Wells was getting his desktop computer from like the library or wherever they were giving them out at BC when we. When he was a freshman arriving at campus. And I went and waited in line with him and I was just as like 10 year old, annoying little sister, but he kind of like held me really closely to him. I wasn't sure if it was because I was like, annoying and in the way annoying and in the way adorable. And maybe he would meet some girls, most likely that one. You set the trap.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

You're the bait.

[Paige Crowther]

Or like, wow, I might miss my little, you know, What?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I mean, yeah, I might miss my.

[Paige Crowther]

Little sister, but who knows? All three things could be true.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I was gonna say the same way. He's an athlete and a banker and a first responder. He's probably.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Older brother and also a guy looking for girls and also a guy who needed a hug on his first day of college.

[Paige Crowther]

I am very. That's a good point. A guy looking for a hug on a first day of college. Yeah, maybe that.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I mean, you probably did as much for him in that.

[Paige Crowther]

A little uncertainty coming in the. I'll remember that moment. But.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

But. Yeah. So to me, that's. That's a normal memory for a brother and sister.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

And not necessarily everything else, you know, and so.

[Paige Crowther]

Well, I think to kind of. I guess to go back to the question about, do you think he was destined to do this? I don't know. But what I do know or believe, I'm a very spiritual person. I think his spirit is really happy and at peace. And, like, every time we get up to speak at, like, one, you know, athletic, whether it's the high school or the middle school or a college environment, but whenever we get up to speak or, like, go out on that field, I just feel like the skies are blue, the joy is there. You can feel him in the stands. His energy is present. You know, I do know. I strongly believe his spirit is very happy, even though we miss him. And, like, that's the thing. Right. So when people. I'm. I'm kind of going back to my original thought, but it's sort of tying in. When you say this is a hard week, like, I don't necessarily think September 11th is a hard day, per se. For me, it could be, like, August 3rd. And I just wish. Oh, my God. I wish Uncle Wells were here to see what my son Henry just did on the, you know, jet skis or, like, whatever. I'll miss him in those moments throughout the year and suddenly find myself in tears. September 11th is generally a really beautiful day.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

That's when everybody's focusing and you have all the support.

[Paige Crowther]

Exactly. But a lot of people lose people. I mean, everybody. Everybody loses people important to them throughout their life. But not everybody in the world remembers the date of that event, that they've lost their father or lost their uncle who was really close to them or what have you. Right. Lost their child. September 11th just happens to be a very memorable, memorable d. That my brother perished and.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right. Right.

[Paige Crowther]

I mean, so people think of me or honor all of us, you know.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right. If it. You just Died individually three months after. You guys are still going through the same trauma and. And remembering him in the same way, but a whole world does that.

[Paige Crowther]

Their eyes on you.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Is that so? That's. You said that's beautiful for you.

[Paige Crowther]

I love it. I think it's beautiful. Spirit is remembered annually.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

By so many people.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Is there ever a moment where you wish it was not like that? Like that? My brother, all eyes on.

[Paige Crowther]

Definitely that.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

You are funny. See, that was funny. That was funny. No, but, like, I. I could see myself maybe. There's just. I think there's always a fine line between, like, support and respect and honoring and maybe inserting yourself into it or, you know, exploiting and all that. You know, the privacy is not an option. And so then you have to parse all that out.

[Honor Crowther]

My. My brother has more best friends from high school than almost anybody because.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Honor Crowther]

And even my own kids are now sending me, like, you know, screenshots of somebody saying they were, you know, oh, that was my best friend from high school, and he's such an amazing guy. And part of me would start to get really annoyed that almost like they were trying to connect themselves somehow. But then I started thinking, like, go for it. They need it. Right? Like they. They need something and they're not taking away. If anything, you know, maybe that person, you know, posts something and says, this was my best friend from high school. And then 200 more people learn about Wells story because it just sort of continues to spread the message. And I realized it doesn't take away from him, you know, and it doesn't reflect who Wells was or what he did.

[Paige Crowther]

But.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think any feel that way. Yeah, I mean, they didn't go to high school with him because I would.

[Paige Crowther]

Know, or maybe he made them feel that way.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Well, so I was thinking through all this myself. How would I think, Would I like it? Would I not like it? And then just the way you described it right there is kind of how people found out the story in the first place. Right. It was like other survivors piecing their stories together. I saw him. I recognized the bandana. Somebody saved me. And, you know, it's pre social media and all that, but that's kind of. I almost feel like what goes on during the anniversary is like, you share your story with him, and I don't know him at all, but how he impacted me. And then, so in a weird way, it's almost like the essence of the story is also how people mourn and connect.

[Paige Crowther]

Now, I also really appreciate and enjoy is the wrong word. But find so much personal value in watching any documentaries that are about the day and learning about other people and their stories because it makes. It takes me out of my experience of that day a little bit better. Or the experience of Wells and the red bandana and really shows you a more holistic view of the day.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

So quite honestly, like, yes, we know Wells and we intimately know his story, but remembering that there are so many more.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

Is critical. So like, yes, watch the ESPN clip about Wells, learn about Wells, but also take some time to like view and watch other things that are. There's so many heroes that day. We all know.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I know it seems like like I said, this is the one that to me shines above all others. And then there's first responders and totally. But there's, you know, a bunch of regular people.

[Paige Crowther]

Regular hero. Yeah, regular.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Everyday aren't getting the articles and the pieces and the documentaries that. It's just. Is difficult. But ultimately though, even though that I'm sure that is a sore spot for some families or whatever, I think having one. A story like this that does shine is still more good than bad. Like you kind of said, like, as long as it's helping people or, you know, maybe you feel away about it. But ultimately I think it's a good thing.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah. I mean it's given us beautiful closure, first of all, which is a thing that not a lot of families got on that day, but also something to work positively toward and with. Right.

[Honor Crowther]

And I think that there's, you know, and thinking back to, you know, the days just following 9 11, everybody was looking for some kind of hope. Right. And. And we. They never really found it because there really were no survivors. So to have a story like this come out, I think and back to your question, like maybe that's part of the reason also why Wells's story is remembered so often is because it does give you a little bit of hope and it gives you hope to the human condition and that inherently maybe most people are good and are willing to do good, especially in times of unimaginable tragedy.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I believe that and I hope that to really believe it. But I don't know. I think I can confidently say there's not many people as good and generous and selfless as he was. I mean that I think that's part. There's. There's so many different elements of like why did. Why did this one really resonate? But I, you know, to me it's always the going up and down is Like, I think I said it in my video. My joke was, I don't want to go up and down the stairs, period. Like, let alone in the face of tragedy and sacrificing yourself going up and down 40 flights alone. But that when I. That's the part when I learned that. That I was like, I would love to say that if I was in that situation, I would try to do the same thing. I don't know. I don't know if anybody can really say that with confidence, because what he did was, like, so above and beyond is there. I would feel there'd be part of me that's like, I'm so proud. But also, why didn't you just come home? Did you guys go through that? Yeah, I would imagine, right?

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah, of course.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Like, you're amazing.

[Paige Crowther]

But, like, just get out.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah, you were right there.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Especially when you find out that he was in the lobby. And it sounds like the plan was to go back up anyway. So it's not like he was walking out the door, but it's also not like he was on 78 and couldn't have if he wanted.

[Paige Crowther]

Right.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

It's like, you're right there. So was that. I'd imagine there was a lot of back and forth emotionally with that.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

You say that like it's past tense. Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Forever. Right.

[Paige Crowther]

Of course there's always that. But, I mean, that's just not who he wanted to be in that moment. And. What. Who am I to judge? Well, and try to project what I would do or.

[Honor Crowther]

And really, who knows? I mean, he sort of knew that the red bandana was going to be something. And so maybe in that moment, he knew that he needed to stay, and this was the time that he was needed.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

That's the other. So I was gonna say the thing that sticks out is how selfless he was going up and down. And he is the driver. But this red bandana is almost this little X factor that takes it to the next level. Because if he doesn't wear it, who knows if he's identifiable? Right. And if. And if it's not. If it's something of just like he was wearing a blue tie or something, fine. But this is weird. Why did he have it? And then you find out he always had it. And your dad has the blue one. And it's like, that's where I start to believe in some of the.

[Paige Crowther]

Can I tell you the wackiest thing?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Please. Yes.

[Paige Crowther]

I'm going to bring up my. My bandana. So I have had this bandana as Long as I can honestly remember, as you know, they've been part of our household.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

Since children. I don't remember the exact details because, remember, I was young. But shortly after 9, 11, 2001, they had families to ground zero for a service. Do you remember when that was? Like, October, November.

[Honor Crowther]

It was very early.

[Paige Crowther]

It was early on. And I remember being 17 and, like, seeing these buildings, like, melted, and it was a pile, and it was terrifying.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Paige Crowther]

But I went with my family, and I brought this bandana with me. You have to understand, this is before we knew anything.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Paige Crowther]

About the man in the red bandana. That didn't. That knowledge didn't come to us until March. May. No. May Wells's body was found in March. The story came out in the New York Times in May. But I had my bandana with me that day for my tears, because I knew, I'm sure I'd be crying. And it just, like, I will hold, cherish this forever. I travel with it, I bring it with me. It's kind of like my symbol of returning. Or like Wells definitely saying, this is. This is where I was meant to be. This is who I was meant to be in this moment. Because even I not knowing anything about the man that rubbed in. I had my red bandana with me.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

You know, tucked into my little purse.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah. It feels like it was like, she.

[Honor Crowther]

Didn'T carry it around all the time.

[Paige Crowther]

No, it wasn't. I didn't have it all the time. I just brought it that day. Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

So that's incredible.

[Paige Crowther]

Cool, right?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I love that.

[Paige Crowther]

I just, like, once in a while, I misplace it. Like, where's my bandana?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, I'm sure. Sure. Yeah. It's. It sounds like it was such a. Not like a. It's a quirky thing, but a normal thing. I don't know. Your dad had the. And his son was like, I want one, too. And he did blue to red. Like, I don't know. It's unique, but normal. But the fact that he, as he got older and then right up until the moment, said, like, this is going to mean something. It's a weird thing, right? Like, he was saying that was your mom like, okay, whatever, dude. Or like, did you guys believe.

[Paige Crowther]

Made fun of him for.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

So I was saying that to Amy. Like, I guarantee, listen, just knowing how guys are, his dorm buddies, teammates are like, put that thing away. What is this? You know? And now it's the symbol of hope and that selflessness. But it is such a unique thing. That. But so up until it happened, did. Did you guys feel a special connection to it or it was just like.

[Paige Crowther]

That to a bandana?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, like. Like, yeah, it was just.

[Paige Crowther]

I have so many thought, like, memories of my dad pulling. He'd keep his comb in it.

[Honor Crowther]

Yes, his comb.

[Paige Crowther]

And like, fold his comb into the.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Pocket, and he was blue. Right. So it was like.

[Paige Crowther]

Well, I mean, it would, like, often get used. Like, oh, you got. He skinned your elbow.

[Honor Crowther]

You need to blow your nose.

[Paige Crowther]

Blow your nose and then, like, comb back in. Yeah. Kind of nasty.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Great.

[Honor Crowther]

He'd fold the gross part first.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

No, I get.

[Honor Crowther]

But yeah, I mean, we have, like. I mean, the. You know, certainly our dad's bandana was a part of our entire childhood. I certainly remember Wells's from, you know, from high school and, you know, between hockey and lacrosse and, you know, he. He did. He had it all the time. He, you know, wore it under his helmets and stuff like that.

[Paige Crowther]

So.

[Honor Crowther]

But it really, like, it didn't define him in the way that it does now. That was just Wells, and it was just a, you know, kind of quirky little part.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right. Everyone has, like, their favorite shirt or hat or a blanket or whatever, and his just happened to be this unique.

[Honor Crowther]

Right.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Little accessory and now is, like a symbol.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

You think he's like, suckers. All those guys in Nate are me. I mean, he's like, now you all have one.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Remember me by low key, like the greatest marker marketer of all time, talking about calling your shot, you know? Yeah. I mean, though, all that comes together to me, him, the bandana, the. The situation. I mean, and I. I can't think of anything more dramatic than the idea of it getting pieced together, like the article in the New York Times. And then another person says it, and you start to realize, oh, that's about my brother or my son or. And after the fact, after you're already processing, trying to go through. Now all of a sudden, the. The puzzle comes together and it's like, oh, this is something incredible. You know, we're not just mourning, like, everybody. Oh, you are. But you know what I mean, there's something way different here. I mean, again, it just feels like something out of a movie where it's like, yeah, to. To piece that together after the fact is incredible, you know?

[Honor Crowther]

Well, and then little things, you know, and little conversations that we had with Wells are so much more meaningful. The summer of 2001, we both happened to be home for a weekend, and I don't remember because it was A, you know, a weekend.

[Paige Crowther]

August 10th. It was my birthday. Maybe you guys took me out to dinner.

[Honor Crowther]

Maybe. It could have been.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Honor Crowther]

And, you know, Wells, we. He and I talked a lot because we, you know, we went through high school, a couple years together. We went to bc, a couple years together. And even at bc, like, every once in a while, there'd be a knock on my door, and Wells would want to talk about something. And. And so he came into my room at home, and he just kind of said, like. He was like, I don't know if, you know. And he had the same conversation with my father, and I'm sure my mother, you know, like, I just don't know if, you know, finances for me. I don't know if this. The finance world is. I'm staring at a screen all day long. I was like, all right, well, what do you want to do? And he was like, I don't. He was like, I don't know. He's like, I feel like there's something bigger out there for me. And. And I was like, okay, well, have you figured out what that, you know, like, we just sort of kind of back and forth. And I was like, what are you. Well, I mean, what are you going to do, though?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Like, a very practical conversation. What are you talking about?

[Paige Crowther]

As a school counselor.

[Honor Crowther]

Yes, it is. He was my first. My first student, but he, you know, it was like. And he sort of was like, I don't know. Well, maybe, you know, he had worked at a veterinary hospital in high school, and he was like, I don't know. Well, maybe I'd, you know, go to veterinary school. And what. What would I have to do to do that? And I'm like, well, dude, you got to go back to school. You gotta. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, you have to go back to do undergrad work and get all your prerequisites in, and that's gonna take you, you know, a couple years. And.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

And this is also while he has a good finance job. Making money.

[Honor Crowther]

Making money.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Do that, dude. And.

[Honor Crowther]

Well, and that was my dad's point, you know, I'm sure he probably went from me to my dad to be like, is this right?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right?

[Honor Crowther]

And, you know, it was kind of like, see where.

[Paige Crowther]

See where life leads you.

[Honor Crowther]

But, you know, kind of to your earlier question, he always knew, even if we didn't know that he was gonna do something special, he did always know. He always knew he was destined for something else, for something bigger.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

But was there? Like, when I'm again thinking about my Own, like, sibling dynamics. And if one of them was like, I'm gonna be famous, I'm gonna be important.

[Honor Crowther]

No, never. And he never wanted to be. He did not like the spotlight on him, which is kind of ironic that here we are, you know, talking to millions of people about him.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

So it was like, I'm gonna be important, but not, I want to be important. It's important.

[Paige Crowther]

But it wasn't.

[Honor Crowther]

He never said, I want to be important. It was, I feel like I'm going to do. I need to do something important. And I think that was why he had started to fill out the paperwork for the fdny.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I know, it's another part that's like.

[Honor Crowther]

And why? Because I think he was looking for that more meaningful place for himself and.

[Paige Crowther]

With a skill set he already had without having to go back to undergrad.

[Honor Crowther]

Without having to do probably six more years of schooling, at the end of.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

The day, there's still some practical thing. I'm not doing that. I. I was joking that if he wasn't seemingly one of the most important people ever, he feels like he'd be a barstool guy, like, you know, Boston College, lax, bro. Probably got a funny sense of humor. Like if he was a clown, he'd probably be sitting here working here, you know. But I guess it was just a bigger plan or something at play that made him go, yeah, because. Because even, you know, so I think that's also what's kind of beautiful about a story, is that even if this didn't happen, he was out sick that day or just made it out or whatever, he was still filling out the paperwork to sign up to do those things. So, you know, it's not a fluke. It wasn't a one time thing.

[Paige Crowther]

Right.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

And if it wasn't this time, it could have been another time because he was willing to go back and into that. And that is almost, it's almost the macro version of going up and down the stairs is that he was willing to, like, go back into it. And that is the biggest sign of all, I think.

[Honor Crowther]

And I think without a doubt in my mind and probably, you know, anybody's mind, if for whatever reason he hadn't been at work that day, that application would have been finalized that day, that day and sent in, and he would have started that process right away, much like a lot of people did. You know, a lot of, A lot of people were moved to join the FDNY or the Armed Forces. Yeah. Because of 9, 11. And it just so happens that, you.

[Paige Crowther]

Know, it's hard not to take personally.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah, he was, you know, he was there and he did what he felt he needed to do.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

To me, it's also like the last time, unfortunately, I can really remember everybody coming together, being on the same page. And I feel like if there's like one person, symbol, something that could give us a chance of being like that again. It's the red bandana. It's him, it's the game, it's the, the fun, the foundation. Any, you know, any of the stuff that's related to it is, I think, are, you know, last little hope of maybe getting that feeling again. It's such a shame that it takes those things to bring us together.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

But it's better than, you know, not being together at all. And. Yeah, it feels like in a world where everything is so politicized, or black and white, red and blue, whatever you want to call it, this is something that transcends all of it. You know, he's something that transcends all of those things that I wish we could get back to. You know, it's. It's.

[Honor Crowther]

Would be nice.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

More red bandana. You know, more of that in the world would be a better thing. I get the sense that you're, you know, you said, oh, I went to school with him and I thought, it sounds like you're downplaying how close you two were. Feels like you guys were the dynamic duo.

[Honor Crowther]

More like Batman and Robin.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Okay.

[Honor Crowther]

I was definitely, I definitely tried to keep up with him. I mean, outshine him as much as I could, but that ship has sailed.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I don't know if anybody's outshining Wells.

[Honor Crowther]

My moment is coming. Yeah, I mean, you know, he. He and I shared some really amazing years together. Thankfully, BC wasn't my first choice, and not that I got stuck with it in any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't on my radar until Wells put it on my radar and was like, you have to go to this school. It's amazing. And I'm so glad he did because I got two years with him that I wouldn't have had otherwise, and two years of him, you know, showing up at my door at 10 o' clock at night on a Friday, telling me to, you know, get dressed up nice because he's taking me to, you know, the lacrosse, you know.

[Paige Crowther]

Party.

[Honor Crowther]

But it wasn't. It was, you know, formal. It was formal, you know, like, it was like a, you know, and it was. Everybody was all dressy and, you know, or just calling me up to see if I Could transfer some of my dining dollars into his account.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Just the regular, like, college stuff.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah, right.

[Honor Crowther]

Or, you know, introducing me to his team and my teammates, you know, early on when I first got there as a freshman. So he was really good at taking people under his wing and making sure that. That they felt included. And it was actually years later that one of my teammates from B.C. said, I don't know if I ever told you this, but she and Wells were freshmen together on Newton campus, which is away from main campus, and she was kind of feeling homesick, and the athletes were sort of up there a little bit early. Maybe it was a vacation and they had to stay on campus. And he made her go with him, and she was like, he wouldn't leave me alone about it. Like, he made sure that I was included. And, you know, we. Whether it was, let's go to breakfast or we're going to hang out, he always made sure that she was included because he never, ever wanted somebody to feel like they didn't belong.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Quite literally included as many people as he could, you know, like, can't leave anybody out. Can't leave anybody behind is. Seems to be what his life mantra was, in a way.

[Honor Crowther]

No one left behind.

[Paige Crowther]

Hearing you talk about that, actually just, like, makes me feel really blessed that we still have a lot more years to be that way with people. You know what I mean? Like, yes, Wells did it in such a public eye, but it's also who we are and how we were raised to be. And it's not like Wells's actions that day inspired us to become that way. Right. We kind of, as a family, we're sort of that way.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right. Well, that's. That's.

[Paige Crowther]

And I feel grateful that I get to keep being that way.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I think that's the only way.

[Paige Crowther]

Keeps motivating and inspiring people to join in and, like, be part of it.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I. I don't think he would have done what he did if it wasn't instilled in you guys as a family, because totally.

[Paige Crowther]

Intrigue.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

That's not something I think that you can, in the moment, if you've been a selfish person, maybe. Maybe in the moment you're like, I've done my life wrong the whole way, and this took this crazy thing for me to become a hero. But it seems more like every little day was, like, building towards the ability to even do it, you know, to like. Do you think he was scared or nervous or was he just in action?

[Paige Crowther]

Like, why wouldn't he be scared or nervous?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. That's obviously, of course, like the rational thought.

[Paige Crowther]

But yeah, he sounded so confident in that voicemail that he left for my mom.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

So that's the other thing. So. So, I mean, that's almost, you know, like salt on the wound or twisting the knife is like there was this feeling of hope. Right. I mean, I would imagine when you get that call, I'm sure everyone's still like, okay, let's, you know, get to safety or whatever. But you get a call, you think, okay, we're good. You know, and then. So he. He called while he was still up.

[Honor Crowther]

There walking the steps, maybe walking the steps. We think he called my dad's office first. He wasn't in the office because he was actually going on a golf outing, I think, but spoke to my dad's, you know, assistant and then left a message for my mom for whatever reason, her. You know what her voicemail picked up and called and go through to her. Her cell phone, whether she was in a bad zone or.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Honor Crowther]

At that point, maybe cell phones, you know, the towers were crazy.

[Paige Crowther]

Doesn't matter.

[Honor Crowther]

But he left the voicemail and, you know, for a time, you do think, okay, he is okay. Everything's fine. When I listen to the voicemail, honestly, I actually hear a little bit of. Not nerves, but, like, it's not his. And it could be. And this is why I sort of think he was probably on the stairs at the time was because there is.

[Paige Crowther]

A little bit of, like, shakiness.

[Honor Crowther]

Shakiness.

[Paige Crowther]

I agree.

[Honor Crowther]

That maybe not everybody would hear, but because we know him, we can hear. Pick up on it.

[Paige Crowther]

And so I think probably trying to calm mom, too.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Well, that's.

[Paige Crowther]

If he's gonna. If you're gonna leave a voicemail for someone and, you know, you're not necessarily okay.

[Honor Crowther]

Right.

[Paige Crowther]

You're gonna. Voice Will sound. I want you to know I'll be. I'm okay. You know, I mean, it's very natural to.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah. And. And I think just some nerves about, you know, he. I don't think there's any way that any. That he wasn't nervous.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Sure.

[Honor Crowther]

Because he had. I'm just from descriptions of everything. Even if he hadn't gotten down to the sky lobby yet, I mean, it was. And you can see it on the. You know, on the tapes and on the footage of it. It was a huge explosion. I mean, a huge explosion. This massive building, you know, was rocked to its core.

[Paige Crowther]

And you're at the top of it.

[Honor Crowther]

And you're at the top of it. Or somewhere near the top of it. Right, That's. But I don't. He always was able to sort of compartmentalize, like, you know, okay, well, too bad fear has to go over here, because there's important things that need to be done right here in front of me.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah. Like, to me, a. Of course, there's nerves, and it sounds like a silly question, but it seems that the way he went about it was almost like he sprung into action and didn't think twice. And. And, you know, the back and forth, it's. It's like there was a few chances for him to be like, all right, I did enough. But, like, still was just confident enough or brave enough or whatever you want to call it to. To go back. And so it just seems like you would almost have to be on compartmentalize or go on autopilot or whatever it is to be able to do that. And I just don't think there's many people at all in this world that can do it that way. You know, I mean, the first responder, I was gonna say. Yeah, yeah, but that's us. You know, there's a lot of them, but that's a. Still a small percentage. And the fact that it seems like he linked up with other firemen that day, you know, who he was with and who he crossed paths with and the jaws of life and all that. Like, he. In that moment was. I'm sure they were like, where are my other. You know, firefight. Okay, whatever. It's this guy, right? This guy's awesome. Let's go with him. You know, that, to me, is like, you know, and that's kind of what he wanted, and. And, yeah, you know, he got it in his final moments, which is bittersweet, but it's fascinating and amazing all the same. And now it's. It's turned into this cultural thing, right? This iconic inspiration and everything from the. The physical bandana to we see the beer here, and people just latch onto that symbol, the BC game and all these things that really kind of keep it alive. Right. Is there anything like. Like, the BC game seems to be. Have become this, like, unbelievable. It's getting to the point. I hear so much about it, and Amy's so much. So much about it. It feels like a. A bucket list. You have to experience it once in your life. You know, it's like the marketing is.

[Paige Crowther]

Like a superhero movie. Summer superhero movie coming out.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

What will they wear? You know?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

It's cool.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

To me, it's like, you got to go to this stadium, and you got to see this team play. And now all of a sudden, add to the list, it's like, you got to go to the BC Red bandana game, which is another thing that's, you know, pretty rare to. To have one of those and to have that be in your name and a part of your family. Amazing. And then you guys being bc, well, BC cults, to be honest, it's got to be a cool thing for, you know, your alma mater that means so much to you to also be such a big part of it. Right. The. The. The. And. And what. Another thing that I felt was so fascinating was that that all really started not because of anybody from bc. Right. There was the. The kid at Central Florida.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah. So when we learned about the story, and then I guess a few years later, right. We. Marielle and Jessica Alberti. Marielle and Jessica Alberti started the idea to have the Red Bandana 5K at Boston College. So we were just truly trying to share Wells's story and recruit people to come join our Red Bandana run, which is always, like, in September, October, and it's our fundraiser for the charitable trust. I was, I think, a senior in college at that point at bc, and I would go to the games early with Jessica and Marielle, and we would walk around the stands to any students who arrived to their seats early and try to get them to listen to us about Wells's story. And I had my pitch down to, like, two minutes, tops, so that I could, like, quickly try to get the hook and get them to feel interested in this enough to go join us for the 5k.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Sure.

[Paige Crowther]

I don't know. This was. It must have been like 2005. Fall of 2005, I think, is maybe when we started the. Is that right? I don't remember. Anyway, so it's funny because some people be like, okay, you know, and not really care.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Sure.

[Paige Crowther]

And I sort of wonder sometimes if those people then saw Wells story or now know it or think back to, like, oh, my God, remember when his sister Paige was trying to hock that story to us?

[Honor Crowther]

No, I think it's more like, girl.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah. Or some random girl.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, that might be. But I'm sure there's also people like, can you believe that we, like, didn't react or join or, like, now it's this amazing thing. And we were like, yeah, yeah, whatever.

[Paige Crowther]

No, like, can you go away?

[Honor Crowther]

We're trying to, like, get to our.

[Paige Crowther]

Game, enjoy our drunk, you know, who knows? So we. I remember us walking around the stadium just Trying to get interest. And maybe we had like 100 to 200 runners that first year. Not bad. But, like, you know, it was pretty good. We felt proud of that.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

And then I remember it was a couple of years later when the ESPN story came out and Drew Gallagher did that beautiful piece. My friend, my college roommates, now husband called me and he was like, you have no idea what I just saw on espn. What's going on, dude? And he goes, oh, my God, this is huge. You must go to the tv. Like, go watch.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

So you didn't even know that was coming?

[Paige Crowther]

I mean, I probably. No, I'm sure I did. I don't really remember at this point.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

And again, I was kind of young.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

[Paige Crowther]

Sort of enjoy, you know, like, you're starting out my Enjoying life. I was like, early to mid-20s. This is when this was all happening. I mean, seven. I was seven. No. But I was kind of doing my thing and like.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

Growing my professional career, whatever. And he called me and told me this, and. Yeah. So then we started to get obsessed because they. Because Neil Serena started this, like, grassroots Facebook page. Kid from Central Florida, and he started this page and I was just. What? It was Facebook. And I'm sitting there at my computer because it wasn't like an app yet. And I'm watching bing, bing, bing. The comments are just constantly popping up. And all these kids are saying, like, red bandanas here at Walmart.

[Honor Crowther]

And A.C. moore is out now, but the one, you know, the Walmart down on, like, I just bought 50.

[Paige Crowther]

Bring a dollar and I'll, you know, I'll hand them out at the. And it just was immediately exploded. It was so amazing. And so then the next call I get is from Boston College inviting me to fly down with. I was in Boston at the time. You know, I lived and worked in Boston. Honor was in New York. And so they said, we're going to fly you and your sister down. Because my parents were reading names at ground zero that year. That's why they didn't go.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Got it.

[Paige Crowther]

So Honor and I were invited. I flew on the chartered plane with the football team. That was so cool. I did not.

[Honor Crowther]

I was crying in the Orlando airport the next morning on September 11th, like, bawling my eyes out by myself.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

Process all the emotions of the previous.

[Honor Crowther]

Lots of people walking by strangely looking at me.

[Paige Crowther]

It was. It was really interesting. But I, you know, it was like, I'm five two, Right. It was like me and then the BC football team. Cool.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I mean, again, especially Being a BC girl, it's like, this is my football team in Alamo, and I was a.

[Paige Crowther]

Couple years out of college at this point, but not long out of college. I'm still really into it, and I go to the games and. And the whole crew of the chartered jet, BC's chartered plane, were all wearing red bandanas. And it was just like. I felt like a total celebrity.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

They put me on this plane. It was incredible. They let me sit in a cockpit for a minute. Like, you know, the captain put his hat on me. It was very cute. But, yeah. And then. So we land. We.

[Honor Crowther]

I did not.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah. Again, crying in the airport, all alone. Big celebrity moment.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

We get, like, an Auntie Anne's pretzel at the airport.

[Honor Crowther]

Not even. They had Wetzel. No, I'm just kidding.

[Paige Crowther]

So we were. We met and we stayed at a hotel that first night. Right. It was like, the game was the next day. So we flew in. The game was the next day. Or is it the vice? Yeah, because we flew out the minute the game was over.

[Honor Crowther]

You flew out that night.

[Paige Crowther]

Right. So we flew in, we sat. We stayed the night. The game was the next day. We had, like, a keeper, if you will, kind of ushering us around the stadium because we clearly had no idea where to go. And it just was a really big and momentous and spectacular experience. I remember a lot from that day.

[Honor Crowther]

And I think that was probably the first time that really, people truly understood how much of an impact his story was going to have.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Because it's 2011, right? This is 10 years later, the game.

[Honor Crowther]

Yes.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah. Because that's when the ESPN clip came out. It was in direct reaction to that. Right.

[Honor Crowther]

And it was, you know, the fact that it all started with a rival school and that a student at a rival school would see this piece and be like, we have to do something with this.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right? Let's honor these guys from enemy territory.

[Honor Crowther]

From. Exactly. And there were definitely posts on there that were. Or comments that were like, you know, I can't believe you guys are gonna wear red bandanas. And then people would jump on them, like trolls. Yeah. Legitimately.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Like, dude, first of all. And then it was like, ucf football. Calm down.

[Honor Crowther]

But then it was like. But red goes so great with black and gold, you know? Like, it was like, so, like, people were defending it in so many ways.

[Paige Crowther]

The mascot wore the red bandana that day.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah. I mean, everybody. Literally everybody did. And so it was just so nice to see how, again, it could come together and. And it really could bring people Together.

[Paige Crowther]

Athletics is like that, I think.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Oh yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

Like the healthy rival. The healthy, like not only competition, but healthy.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

There's. I don't know what it is, but when you're out of any game really, but certainly ones of heightened importance, the anthem is playing and there's fireworks. So there's a flyover and you just get emotional for just like just because let alone right when you put a story like this behind it, it's, it's. That's what I mean. It really feels like something that everybody should experience at some point. If you're an American, if you're a sports fan, if you have a heart.

[Paige Crowther]

I was sort of thinking like, because it's, it's easy to go, why didn't BC start the red bandana football game? But in. When I'm processing it, I think about that because they knew about it. BC was always supportive. We did this beautiful run. Right. Like we had all these, all this momentum going and they'd always loved our family. But I think it's like it would have been seen as almost like self serving.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Totally.

[Paige Crowther]

I really think. And like not genuine.

[Honor Crowther]

It had to start with somebody else.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Somebody else with a rival enemy. Yeah, yeah. I mean that again, it's such a fine line between support and honoring and caring and utilizing.

[Paige Crowther]

It would have been like a gimmick almost if they tried to just be like, hey, come to us.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Like, come to our thing. Because we're like, okay, like somebody lost their life.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

And maybe, you know, it probably still would have been a good. Come from a good place and a good thing. But this allowed it to happen organic. They didn't jump on it. It wasn't 2002. It wasn't like, let's do this right away. It took a long time. It happened organically. And now I think that means it has the foundation to go on.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah. BBC had us on the field and shared Wells's story before the 10 year anniversary. They did, you know, because they would have us.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Well, that's the power though of some of the.

[Paige Crowther]

But it's really quite incredible the piece.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Getting out there and, and, and in.

[Honor Crowther]

The way that it did.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Honor Crowther]

You know, right.

[Paige Crowther]

It wasn't an organization, it wasn't a corporation. It was, it was natural. It was sports.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Human interest piece and like, and there is something, you know, sports in America, if you're a sports fan, it, you know, it is the perfect little storm for it to become, you know, what it is today. Is there ever, are there ever moments where you don't you wish it wasn't this way? That it, like, does it ever impact your life? To the point, like, I don't want to be Wells's sisters who have to performatively do something, or, you know, you just wish you had a quiet, normal.

[Honor Crowther]

Life or you, like, we have quiet, normal lives.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah, yeah, Right, right. I make school lunch every day.

[Honor Crowther]

I can walk down the streets of New York City, no problem.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

So there's never a moment where you need to, like, put on for the Crowthers family and, like.

[Paige Crowther]

I don't think so. I think. I mean, I pick and choose the things that we decide to do. I don't. Like, we don't say yes to every single thing that comes up. My mom does a lot of public speaking, but she loves that and needs that, and I think it's the connection.

[Honor Crowther]

To Wells is important for her. You know, we. We generally do. A lot of the things that we do, of course, are at B.C. between the run and the football game. You know, other than that, it's things that we really want to do and the things that bring meaning to. Back to us. You know, I work in high school. When a lot of my students find out, they're kind of awestruck, and then they're like, oh, yeah, you're just our school counselor. Okay. You know, there isn't an added level of drawback or that. Yeah, yeah, no, we're not expected to save people's lives in a national tragedy.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Honor Crowther]

Which is good.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, that's.

[Honor Crowther]

That's lofty expectations, you know, so it's, you know, this again and sort of back to the beginning of the conversation, you know, this week, a little bit more is often expected of us, just in the sense of we have to respond or we feel compelled to respond to people who reach out to us. But, you know, the other 51 weeks of the year, it's pretty. Pretty much pretty, Pretty normal. Unless we're doing an event and your.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Mom is more involved in all that. Or is it like, yeah, it seems like it almost gave, I'd imagine, the. The second half of her life.

[Honor Crowther]

Meaning.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Meaning, in a way. Right? Like, I can. I can imagine after you're pretty much done raising your kids or everyone's in college and on their way, and you're sort of like, what's next? Or, do I go back to work? Or whatever it may. Whatever it may be. And now instead you have, like, this one of the most unique, unfortunate, but fulfilling, however you want to describe it, you know, challenges or opportunities in front of you to do this incredible thing.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah. And it. And it gave her an opportunity, really, to keep Wells's memory alive and keep. And stay connected to him in a way that he, you know, his death, you know, precluded. But, you know, she's connected to us because we're alive. Yeah. And she knows our children, you know, and. And she's. She's still very much a part of our life dives that she doesn't have that with Wells. So it's almost like she stays connected to him through speaking engagements, to. Through events, really, you know, whatever she can do because it is important for her. But I think she recognizes how important it is for others to learn about his story and for, you know, young people especially to know that there's, you.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Know, people out there like that.

[Honor Crowther]

Some. Some people out there like that and maybe something to aspire to.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Like, there's a lot of stories, true, fictional, whatever that, like, people say are inspirational. I don't. There's really none that, like, have resonated with me on a level of like, oh, you know, not like, it's like, you can be a better person. There's always. You can always do more. And you. You know, there are people out there that go above and beyond when they really didn't need to or, you know, that. That's the story. To me, that's like, whenever I'm gonna complain about something mundane or be lazy or whatever, like, it really jet, like, pretty often will pop in my head that it's like, if he could do that, then you can run that errand or do that thing or whatever is, like, weighing on me. Like, oh, I can't believe I have to do that. It's like, did. Did Wells say that when he's like, I can't believe I had to go up to 78 again. Like, you know what I mean?

[Honor Crowther]

I mean, maybe, but.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

But, yeah, it's like inspirational kind of gets thrown around, I think maybe a little too cavalierly sometimes. But, like, if there was ever a story, I would have to say it's like an actual. Inspire you to do or be different or something. It's. It's his.

[Paige Crowther]

It's.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

It's that impactful, I think.

[Paige Crowther]

Thank you.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Were there when you guys were growing up. Are there any stories. This one takes the cake. Right? But, like, are there any ones that stick out that were just funny, silly, memorable moments? I mean, you shared a couple already, but were there any in the early days or holidays or anything like that.

[Paige Crowther]

Goofy stories that make, well, seem like a more Just like an average brother.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

Like, yes, I have one.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

The worst well story ever.

[Paige Crowther]

It was like a cold, snowy morning, and we had a snow day at school. And I was sleeping in because it was the best. Right. You finally get to your school on that radio. Like, gets to your nyak.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Gotta watch prices. Right.

[Paige Crowther]

And Wallace was like, get out of bed. We're going play in the snow. And I was like, I'm so sleeping. I'm not getting out of bed. Get out of bed. We're going to play in snow. No. And he opens my windows.

[Honor Crowther]

Yep. He loved doing that.

[Paige Crowther]

Pulled up my night shirt and picked me out of bed and held my belly against the cold window to, like, get me out of bed. It was.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

That's incredible.

[Paige Crowther]

I remember that one. Like, get up. So there's that one. One my mom loves to tell. He used to. He was a hockey player, too. So lacrosse and hockey. Think hockey was his, like, true, passionate joy. But he would put me into all of his hockey gear, and I was little. Right?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

Set me up in front of an ice hockey goal in the driveway and say, don't. Whatever you do, don't move. Just don't move. And practice slap shots against me. I remember that one.

[Honor Crowther]

I was too smart for to get roped for that. I mean, Wells is the reason I ended up playing lacrosse. Wells is the reason I ended up playing lacrosse at Boston College. But Wells was the reason that I was able to play lacrosse at Boston College. Because we would get. It didn't matter the time of year. It didn't matter how many hours of practice we had had. We would get home, and he'd be like, all right, come on, we're gonna throw against the wall. And he and I would throw, you know, both with our sticks, both against the wall for another half an hour. And there'd be times where he's like, all right, now you can only use your left hand.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

It's like a coach almost.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah. And he really just. It really was about getting the best out of other people, you know, And. And as I said earlier, you know, he. He didn't like the spotlight on him. He liked flying under the radar. And, you know. You know, he wasn't against scoring goals, but he was also 100% fine passing it off to somebody who had a better angle and who would, you know, had a better shot on goal. We. One year at bc, we were both playing Yale. The men had the earlier game, the women had the later game. Men had lost. They were in the stands, a bunch of them watching Us play.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

This is gonna make me cry, and.

[Honor Crowther]

It'S gonna make me cry, too, so it's okay. And I was having a really good game, and I. So I had scored my third goal, and from the stand, he just. He just shouted, that's my sister. And, you know, I kind of. Whatever I did give him, you know, sticks up to him in the stand. But in all honesty, he would have much rather that I had a massive game than he did. We unfortunately also lost, but I think it was like eight to nine. Really close game, really good game, but, you know, stayed till the end and wouldn't let any of his teammates leave, you know, and he. So proud. And just the smile on his face, coming off the field and giving me a hug, like, he. It was what he always. It just was what he always wanted. And I don't know how recently Paige has heard this story, if she has. She was at a ballet camp, probably 99, 2000 somewhere in there. We went up to watch the last performance, and at one point, after Paige had finished her. Whatever dancing she was doing, he turned to me and she goes. He said, I had no idea she was that good.

[Paige Crowther]

Tell your friends.

[Honor Crowther]

But that was. That was Wells. Like, he just. He took so much pride. Had so much pride and took so much pleasure in watching other people succeed and other people. And I think that's probably why, you know, a student once asked me, do you wish he had lived? And while I say, of course, course I do, there's also a part of me that knows that he would have been eaten alive by the feeling of not having done absolutely everything he could for everyone that he could, and that would have eaten him alive. He would always have thought, I bet there was somebody else I could have saved. I. I bet there was somebody else I could have saved.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Honor Crowther]

So the fact that as many people. People as have been able to live the rest of their lives, I mean.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

18 people is like. That we know of. Right?

[Honor Crowther]

Nothing to. Nothing to scotch that. Right?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah. I mean, it's amazing. One person. You're a hero. Like, eight. There's 18 lives of. I don't know how old everyone was, but you go on to have kids, and they have kids and, like, grandkids, you know, you're talking eventually generations, you know, maybe entire families that are just possible because of that, you know?

[Paige Crowther]

Right.

[Honor Crowther]

And that was just Wells.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, Right.

[Honor Crowther]

And that piece of it, that was just. That was just Wells.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Is there anything. This guy do? Anything bad? Yeah. Bad breath or something? I don't know.

[Honor Crowther]

He didn't have bad breath. He. He. There was a period of time in middle school when I was taller than him.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Actually.

[Paige Crowther]

Bring this up. Yeah. I feel like the world needs to know that.

[Honor Crowther]

That I got a lot of dead arms. A lot of dead arms.

[Paige Crowther]

It was a really, like, tumultuous year or two. He liked to pay puberty before Wells did.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Honor Crowther]

But he liked to hang page by overalls on the doorknob. Yeah. I mean, he was. He was a typical, you know, adolescent and teenager and all of that stuff.

[Paige Crowther]

He liked some attention. All the girls at my ballet studio had a big crowd. Oh, yes.

[Honor Crowther]

So when he was.

[Paige Crowther]

So when he'd come to pick me up at dance class, like, the rare time that he was available, mom wasn't coming to get me, he'd stand in the mirror, like, in the window where all the girls could see him, and then he had this, like, very overly small bathrobe.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I love that you just filled that in. He had this overly small bathrobe. Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

So Honor and her.

[Honor Crowther]

Not unseenly, but, like, anytime my friends were over, he would definitely come walking.

[Paige Crowther]

Around, come back from practice with him, take his shower, and walk down past all of Honor's friends in his teeny bathrobe.

[Honor Crowther]

He also. My mother will hate that I'm sharing this story, but at BC he used to disappear from a party that they were having at their house and then come walking back out with no pants on and go, has anyone seen my pants?

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

That is a great party trick. That is a great one. That hits every time.

[Paige Crowther]

I heard you say that he, like, didn't like attention. Yeah, right, Right.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I have a son and a daughter, and I just think of them, like, all those silly things they're doing now and the times they're fighting and they're at each other's throats and the times that they're driving me crazy and themselves, all that. And then, I don't know, I just think about it. If they were to go through what you guys went through, it's unimaginable. It's. I don't know how you did it. I don't know how you guys even do it to this day. You guys are as impressive as he was, in a way, in my mind, like. Yeah, like. I mean, it's. It's a lot that you guys go through, and you seem to do it very stoically.

[Paige Crowther]

And grief is a bitch.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah, right? I mean, it wasn't always, like, we weren't always able to. To talk about this so freely. Have to remember it's been 24 years.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Paige Crowther]

So, like, I always talk about it. Yeah, I mean, we always talked about it was like a thing we all just, we were able to discuss and talk about. Maybe his story gave us a little bit more to talk about, you know, and a little bit of by telling that story repeatedly and learning more about it as time went on. But I think, like, I mean, depressed. I fell into a bit of a depression following 9 11, but it didn't hit me right away. It was when I was my first year of. Right. So I was a senior in high school when it happened. The depression came probably mid year into my freshman year, lasted into sophomore, junior year. You know, I mean, like.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

And it was a finite period of my life. Right. But it, it definitely like hits you. It's not like I was smiles and.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, no, no, of course.

[Paige Crowther]

Butterflies truly. But like again, being able to talk about him and tell him, tell other people about him, it's like really satisfying when somebody, when I'm like, have you ever heard of the story of the man in the red bandana? And they're like, no. I'm like.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Do your kids, kids grasp everything? Like, I mean, I'm sure it's, Mine.

[Honor Crowther]

Are all older, so they do. The youngest two are in high school and their high school showing the ESPN piece.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Honor Crowther]

During lunch periods tomorrow. And you know, they, they've seen it and they're in their high school or in their, you know, even really starting in middle school.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Honor Crowther]

Where teachers would show the piece. So, you know, mine were born and older when the ESPN piece came out. So they've watched it forever.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right, Right.

[Paige Crowther]

I just asked Honor what the appropriate age. My son's 8, my daughter's 4, and I'm not quite sure the appropriate age to show my son the espn.

[Honor Crowther]

I'm like, well, my youngest was one, you know, like, I mean, they've, they've just always seen it and I've always been honest and they've always.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

What was the verdict on what age?

[Paige Crowther]

I'm uncertain. I haven't shown him yet. But Honor, to plug this, Honor wrote a children's book.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Oh, cool.

[Paige Crowther]

So in a effort to be able to talk to her children about 9, 11. And so that's how my children have been exposed to. It was through her book that my, what's the book?

[Honor Crowther]

My Late Uncle Joe, the Man in the Red bandana. Available on Amazon.com.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, well, I, I, I remember. So when my son was in like first grade, maybe in like kindergarten, he was really young and his teacher Just decided to do a lesson on 911 that day and didn't really talk to any of the parents. And I still don't really know how she conveyed it. And I remember being kind of like.

[Honor Crowther]

Whoa, she may have read my book.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I wish she had. Like, I, I, I don't think she did, but I, I wish she had because it feels like a good way to convey something almost.

[Paige Crowther]

It's an unimaginable, a real and factual, not overly scary way of telling Wells's story to that audience.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Paige Crowther]

So that's.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

But I mean, it's also it, like I said, it feels like a movie. It feels like a script, so a really good one. Yeah. So it's like you're telling it in the form of this story where there's a hero and drama, and it's amazing, but it's not fake. It's. It's real. So, you know, you're not, like, you're not sugarcoating anything. You're not hiding anything. Like, this actually happened. And in a weird way, it's. Maybe that's the biggest gift of all is, like, to, for people to be able to process something that is unprocessable through this, you know, unbelievable, dramatic, cool, you know, story. Like, it's, if you remove all the importance from it, it's just like, this is incredible. This is amazing. This is, you know, wow. So those are the things I think people can process and understand and latch onto and maybe get through, you know, the, the bigger trauma and the harder parts of it all. You know, it's amazing. It's, it's, it's always resonated with Barstool. I mean, I did the piece every year, and before that, Dave used to write a blog every. Every year on the 11th. And it is. There is something, I think, about Boston and the young guy. And like, a lot of people in our world, I think, can say, like, oh, that could have been my roommate or me, or, like, you know, so there's that relatability, but it's. You guys are great. This is.

[Honor Crowther]

Thank you.

[Paige Crowther]

Thank you.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

It's. I said it a second ago, but I really do mean it, that, like, what he did is this crazy, physical, heroic act. But I think what you guys do and how long you've continued to do it and how much longer you're gonna have to do it and explaining to kids and explain to family and spreading the word and running the events and going through the grief and all of that combined is its own battle. And, you know, one that I think you guys chose to take on in the same way that he chose to take on his. So in a way, I think it really goes back to your family, and.

[Honor Crowther]

He kind of chose it for us.

[Paige Crowther]

But true.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah, true.

[Paige Crowther]

But, you know, it's a really supportive, wonderful group of, like, highly intelligent and capable friends of Wells's and members of our family who participate, too. Right. So it's not. It's like, no, we're sitting here, but there's a whole community around this with us for whom we are very grateful because. Yeah, they do a lot of things.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Is there any decisions the people can do? Do you. Do you guys need, you know. So you have the 5K, you have.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah, the red bandana run. That's a fun one. The streets of, you know, the streets around bc, is that lovely sign up.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

For or do you.

[Paige Crowther]

Totally.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

Okay. So.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

And that's.

[Paige Crowther]

I think it's October 25th this year. Okay, it is.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

People want to do the. The 5K. If you're in the area or want to go. That's the 25th. Is there any charity, the foundation. Is there anything that you want to plug that we.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah, we've got the Wells Remy Crowther Charitable Trust. And if I remember the website, which has recently changed, I would just Google.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

We'll put a link in the description. We'll take care of all that.

[Honor Crowther]

You know, we do a lot. We raise a lot of money for children's organizations primarily. And, you know, we do not have overhead costs, so pretty much every penny that you donate goes right to some really deserving. And we have all the information on our website. So, you know, really, a lot of it goes right to some really wonderful organizations. And it's everything from our team to sports and, you know, medical need for children as well. Always. We, you know, we have the Red Bandana 5K up in Boston at Boston College. But, you know, for anybody who wants to run on their own and can't get to Boston and wants to do it virtually, they can.

[Paige Crowther]

They can still register.

[Honor Crowther]

They can still register and run or.

[Paige Crowther]

Walk or run, walk.

[Honor Crowther]

I also turned it into a get in the car with the Boston police officer who was the tail.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Run, walk or drive.

[Honor Crowther]

Just to catch up to my kids who were up ahead.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I'm with you on that. I would be in the car with you.

[Honor Crowther]

That was a really great way to do the 5K. So, you know, there's opportunity there. And then, you know, if you're in the Boston area or want to be, please come join us. We will be at the run, be at the football game, most likely on November 8th this year.

[Paige Crowther]

Yeah. And if you're here in New York, go to the museum. Yeah, it's a spectacular place. I went. I actually had an opportunity to bring some colleagues with me, and I went in August last year. I hadn't been there since the day it opened, so we were there for the opening, and then it was like 10 more years for me to go back.

[Honor Crowther]

You've done a beautiful job.

[Paige Crowther]

It is incredible, and it's powerful, and you learn so much. And there's this beautiful part about, like, September 12th. Right. Like, okay, and then what about September 12th? And the resilience and, like, the hopefulness. And, you know, it really is. It the. The way they've curated that museum is absolutely incredible, and it's such a treasure to have here in the city.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

And so I think if you're local.

[Paige Crowther]

Here, a lot of the museums of.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

New York, sometimes they get overlooked. When you live here, you don't go to the Statue of Liberty, you don't go to the Empire State, you don't go to the museum. But that's one that you should go.

[Paige Crowther]

To the museum, check off.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah. Because it's not just a site.

[Paige Crowther]

And that way you learn not only you see Wells's bandana, and that's really special, but you learn so much more and you get a real. You feel the power and strength of the day.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Paige Crowther]

In a way that you wouldn't normally. And the guided tours are incredible.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Are you guys religious?

[Honor Crowther]

Spiritual?

[Paige Crowther]

We are Episcopalian baptized.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

And did this either. Did this affect your spirituality or religion? Like, sometimes, like, I would have the feeling of, like, why, and there must not be a God. But then also something so amazing and divine, and it's like I said, seems like fate that maybe I would start to think there is.

[Honor Crowther]

So on that day, on the 11th, I was actually in law school, which didn't pan out, but I had. I had. I had afternoon classes, so I hadn't gone in. And while it was all sort of happening, I was watching on tv and my now husband came and picked me up to bring me back to Nyack to be with family. And the first thing I said to him was, like, take me to church. And we went right to my church. I was able to go inside and just say a little prayer. But, yeah, I mean, I absolutely had those kind of thoughts of, how could there be a God? And I think everybody starts to question it when something really tragic happens to you, and then you see the lives and the families that he was able to put back together and the important work that he. He did on that day. But also the way that Welles continues to inspire people. And you can't help but think, yes, this. You know, maybe this was some grand plan after all. And maybe he did have an inkling of it, and that's why he kept saying, you know, this red bandana is gonna kind of put me on the map kind of thing. So, you know, know, it's. It's a. No, no, no. It's hard to, you know, I think of him.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I. I to. In my, like, description of him is like, he was a guardian angel in, like, flesh and blood. Like, and then now carries carrot continues on in a way. So, like, I don't know, it makes me think and, you know, believe more or less. But it definitely has, you know, a lot of religious almost undertones in a way that's spiritual undertones.

[Honor Crowther]

And. And, you know, one of the women that he saved, Ling Young, says that in the. In the piece, like, he was my guardian angel.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I can't even imagine that, like, because. Because of the red, like, you can't see anything. It's dark, it's rubble, and then this, like, red thing appears. It probably does feel very, you know, not even real.

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Like, did that happen?

[Honor Crowther]

Well, and even just what he said, you know, follow me. I know the way.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Yeah.

[Honor Crowther]

Is there is something very sort of spiritual about that.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Right. And I think that's why people latch onto it as a symbol and a. And a lesson and, and inspiration and all that, because that's the blueprint to act. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's beautiful. It's tragic, and. And I'm sure, you know, obviously, it's the worst thing that ever happened to you guys, but also it is for everyone else. And the amount of people he reached is, you know, truly well.

[Honor Crowther]

And in all honesty, you know, as difficult as this is to say, he had to perish in order for this to be a story, really. It wouldn't be a story if he saved people and then walked away, because the strength of it comes from. He went back in and he went back up.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Like, it's a great. Hey, I came down with four or five people and I saved them, and I went home to my family. Great story. This is like a. Yeah. Timeless. I hope until the end of humanity this gets passed down and probably will because of how powerful it is. So. And you guys do a great job of. Of keeping it alive and promoting it the right way and doing everything that, you know, keeps his memory alive. So you guys are great. Thank you.

[Paige Crowther]

Thanks.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

As I understand it, this is like the, the first type of media stuff you guys have done. You're great. You're both great.

[Honor Crowther]

I've done tons.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

You're natural. You wanted to do more of it. Be great at it. When's your guys podcast come out?

[Honor Crowther]

Yeah. Oh, it would get.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Doesn't have to be bad. I just listen to you guys talk about everything.

[Paige Crowther]

Give us a long car ride with a random friend and they have said that to us before for or just a phone call. Yeah, that's a good point. Good point. Anyway, no, no thanks. I'll leave that stage for you.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Got it. Well, thank you girls.

[Paige Crowther]

I wouldn't want to take your audience from that.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

I probably would.

[Honor Crowther]

I'm sure that would be our target.

[Paige Crowther]

With my fanny pack.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Belt bag.

[Paige Crowther]

Belt bag.

[Honor Crowther]

Excuse me.

[Paige Crowther]

That's right.

[KFC (Kevin Clancy)]

Awesome. Thank you guys. Guys.

[Paige Crowther]

All right.

[Honor Crowther]

Thank you.

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