Pat McAfee (2:28)

I completely agree with you. I get where you're going. Why is that happening right now?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (2:33)

It's so I, I fired my general contractor and I'm getting a new guy in. And now the only thing worse than having a contractor who has just completely you on from money to time to the house itself every step of the way. The only worse than that is trying to transition to a new one. Because it's like, it's like presidential administration's changing. It's like, well, this guy was doing all this wrong and I gotta undo it.

Pat McAfee (2:58)

Everything he did with.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (2:59)

Yeah, you know, so, and, and, and, and then this, this contractor I hired, everyone told me he does good work but not quick work. And at the beginning I said, that's okay. I want a job done well. And then I met a couple more of his guys who do other things, and they were like, oh, you're working with him, huh? Like, don't. Like I'm telling you right now, this job will not be done in 2025. And I was like, wait, what? And like, sure enough, they were all correct. And. And by that point, it was too late. This is, this is my problem, dude. And this is on me. Like, I, I hired the wrong person. I hired multiple of the wrong people. I hired a girl that was like a designer and was going to be like a, a connection to the brands and materials. She had done like NBA players, she had done celebrities. So I was just like, cool, like, sounds good. Frontward facing. Like, all of her stuff was really good. And she, she was like, I'll look around your area and I'll find a contractor for you. And she brought me this guy, same thing with him. Like he has a work of, a book of work. At the time, there was really not too many bad reviews, if any. Since then, there have been bad reviews. So I'm wondering if this is all happening at the same time. But my point is, what are you supposed to do when like someone just fucking lies to you like that? Like, like, how can I, you know, people like, oh, you should have like vetted him more. I'm like, how much? What do you want me to do? Like, interview everyone he's ever worked with? What am I supposed to do?

Pat McAfee (4:20)

I'm so happy. I'm very sad this is happening to you, but I'm also so happy because sim similar. I'm much, much, much incredibly smaller scale. It's happening to me where I have a person who's working on my apartment who everything has been wrong. And I was fighting with my dad about this recently and he was taking Their side, which was, nobody wants that, dad.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (4:40)

Just let me vent and say, oh, yeah, you're right.

Pat McAfee (4:42)

But he, like, I understand the things I was saying. Like, I was like, this is. This is bullshit. Like, this is unfair. He's a crook. And he was like. I was like, well, no, you got to know when you're working with construction people, like, you got to double the time it's going to cost and you got to triple the cost. And like, that's not why. Why is that accepted? Why would that be the case? I was like, why would I ever do that? Why would I double the time, she told me. And triple the fucking cost she told me. And he's like, that's how it is.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (5:07)

That's how it is.

Pat McAfee (5:08)

Like, no, that's a fucking crook. And what pisses me off is that people fucking attack. They're like, oh, lawyers are crooks and fucking insurance agents and doctors and farmers. But construction, blue collar, salty good guy working with. But I'm supposed to double the time and triple the price.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (5:26)

The biggest crooks. They are the biggest crooks. And there's also.

Pat McAfee (5:29)

I'm supposed to know that. Double the time, triple the price.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (5:31)

Well, this is why.

Pat McAfee (5:32)

That's your job.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (5:33)

Tell me the time. Time.

Pat McAfee (5:34)

Tell me the price. That's your only job. Double the time, triple the price.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (5:37)

How? Why? And what other industry does that happen? You know what I mean? If I was just like, oh, it cost this much to advertise? And then we get into it. I'm like, actually, you owe me three times the amount, dude. What?

Pat McAfee (5:46)

My dad looked at me like I was an idiot. He thought I was the dumbest guy.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (5:50)

Well, we are idiots. We're done.

Pat McAfee (5:51)

Yeah, but. But that's why. Because I trusted someone. Because I believed in someone.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (5:54)

But this is. This is what I'm realizing.

Pat McAfee (5:56)

Because I hired someone to do a job. They told me that this job will cost this time, and. And this price. And I went, cool. Sounds like a deal. I'm the idiot.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (6:04)

I know. I'm the. But it. But we are in the sense that we can scream about it till we're blue in the face, which we're doing. But also, it ain't changing. So it's like. Like when. When I got. I got. I bought an old house and I said, I'm going to fix it up. And everyone was like, that's gonna be a lot of work and it's gonna be tough. And I thought that that meant, like, it's gonna cost a lot of money to do a renovation. And when the renovation happens, it's going to be, you know, shitty. And now I'm realizing what they meant is, like, it's not going to be shitty. It's going to be like, criminal. You have to just be prepared for that. And, And I like going into the next one. I mean, I'm probably never gonna do this again. But like, it's a. It's. It's. We're not wrong, but it's just like that is a life experience that you have to go through in order to understand what the people are really telling you. Right? It's almost like if someone's telling. It's like when you tell a kid like, yo, enjoy college because work is gonna suck. And you're like, oh, yeah. And then you get there and you're like, oh, wait, this sucks. They weren't kidding, you know?

Pat McAfee (7:00)

But then why are we calling a blue collar salty earth people? You fucking rob me blind.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (7:03)

No, you're right.

Pat McAfee (7:04)

That.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (7:04)

That needs to change because they're fucking crooks, dude. And you know what's even crazier? It got to the point before I.

Pat McAfee (7:10)

In my opinion, blue collar salt to the earth people don't fucking rob you. Don't rob me blind.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (7:14)

Don't lie right to your fucking face.

Pat McAfee (7:17)

And then, of course, there's, you know, there's a million reasons. And there's fucking.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (7:20)

There's always a reason.

Pat McAfee (7:21)

A million reasons, I'm sure. Then fucking factor those reasons in. When I hired you and asked you, how long will this take? What will it cost me?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (7:28)

And wouldn't it be so much better if they said this is going to take you 18 months and it's going to cost you $1 million? And then all of a sudden they go, actually, it's only going to be nine months. It's going to cost you 500,000.

Pat McAfee (7:38)

You'd be like, oh my God, I love you.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (7:40)

Instead, it's the total fucking opposite. Even crazier, though, I said, I asked this guy and then I spoke to my architect. I said, when this. When things were getting bad, I said, something's got to change. Why don't we just. I'm going to make a schedule, I'm going to put out a calendar and I'm going to have certain dates. You got to hit certain things by. If you do it ahead of time, I will give you a bonus. If you miss it, there will be a penalty. And. And everyone was like, oh, no, we're not doing that.

Pat McAfee (8:05)

No, no, the, the.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (8:06)

The contractor just never even, like, considered it. Never replied, never Answered the. And the architect was like, you can ask him, but nobody does that in this industry. And I was like, no one has a calendar and set incentives to do a job in your whole fucking industry. And he was like, well, new guys, like, some people are implementing that now, but it's sort of just been the way that we've done construction since, like the 1800s.

Pat McAfee (8:27)

I was like, the.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (8:28)

Did you just. I just like, did you just say the 1800s? To me, it's like a thousand years ago.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (8:34)

And I, like, I understand. Especially again, I bought an old house. And also I get that this is like, woe is me. Like, I bought a really nice house and I decided to do a very expensive upgrade and it's not going well. Fucking river.

Pat McAfee (8:49)

But what I did realize still, it's. You entered an agreement, and that agreement is not being stuck to, and you're allowed to be mad about that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (8:55)

And we're going to go now. I got a new guy in there. I really trust him. He's. He's done work for me before, and he is like, I'm going to be the person working on this project. That's the other problem in the construction world, at least in my experience, the amount of middlemen. It's like, oh, I oversee this. And I tell a foreman who tells the guy who tells the guy to.

Pat McAfee (9:12)

Do the work, which I think's done intentionally. So the guy at top go, hey, well, look. Oh, it's absolutely. They don't want to do the work.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (9:18)

You don't want to swing the hammer. And then it leaves the ability for everyone to go, I just do what I was told. I just do what I was told. And it gets the top guy, you.

Pat McAfee (9:25)

Know, who does like this. The mafia does it like this. Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (9:29)

He's.

Pat McAfee (9:29)

He's a mobster. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (9:30)

And I.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (9:34)

As much as I'm like, you know, this is. It's not like, not life or death, and I brought upon myself and all that shit. But it's going to end up being two years. And.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (9:44)

Two years is like a chunk of time. And the amount of stuff that that's, like, impacted. Like, I. I by now for sure.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (9:55)

Anticipated having a studio in my house doing, like a new show from home that I was like, I want to do. I want to start something at home that way. Like, that's something I could do, like, every day. Because maybe I'm coming to the office, maybe I'm not, but I'm always gonna be home. I could always do that. So, like, I'll. Let me I'll wait for that to be done. I'll give it a few more months. Give it a few months now. It's like, I've waited for two years, and, like, the things I wanted to do have all changed and morphed. I was thinking about my kids. My kids were basically, like, confined to, like, one room right now because it was all supposed to be done in waves. So, like, this will be done and you could move in there, and then that's done. You can move in.

Pat McAfee (10:24)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (10:24)

Yeah. And it's all coming down at once. So, like, I don't have a kitchen. The kids. Keegan doesn't have his bedroom. We don't have our playroom. So we're just kind of confined to this one room, which, again, is totally fine. There are plenty of people who just live in an apartment. It's all good. But it's this, like. It's like two, like two years of my. We started when my daughter was eight. She's gonna be 10. It's like, it's 25% of her life was spent like, we. I can't really have play dates at my house with their friends because it's in the middle of a construction zone.

Pat McAfee (10:48)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (10:48)

And I wanted to do, like. I wanted to set this up so you could play here. And they can't do that. And it's not. Again, nothing's like life or death. But I'm just like, this has completely me over the last two years of my plans that I wanted to move forward. I wanted to do things differently. And. And also just the mental. When you. When your home is up, when you're like, my lease is expiring and I got to find a new apartment. That is so, like, nerve wracking. When you're buying a house for the first time, when you're decorating or you're renovating, when you get kicked out of somewhere, someone raises your rent. All of those things, like, completely you. Well, it's just more so than anything.

Pat McAfee (11:20)

That's your one place. You're supposed to have peace and calm.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (11:23)

And especially chaos when this is chaos all the time.

Pat McAfee (11:25)

Right.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (11:26)

I'm like, all right, let me go home and rest my head. Now I go home and I'm like, get me back into the mud on the Internet. It's better than dealing with this.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (11:34)

It's it. And like, I. I also try to be. That's another thing. I. I had, like, grand plans, and everyone was really excited about when I first announced it to kind of do like a HGTV type you know, like, Extreme Makeover. And.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (11:50)

I. I think now what I'm gonna do with these new guys in is make it like a little series of, like, the nightmare side of this. Like, here's. Watch this. Before you go through renovation, just know that this is how bad it.

Pat McAfee (11:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (12:00)

Because again, everyone says to you, oh, it's gonna be tough. It's like, let me show you how tough it's gonna be. And old people are probably laughing, like, yeah, we told you so. But it's like, you didn't show me. So I want to show people to avoid what could happen, you know?

Pat McAfee (12:14)

But that's a good idea.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (12:15)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (12:16)

Like.

Pat McAfee (12:18)

The dark side. I'd heard about it, and I'd heard that, you know, I. I lived it. I've told the story before about when I was a kid and we came home, the house on the house, and they built a house over the house. Like, I was too young to really have, quote, unquote, lived it. Well, sure. My parents were human. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (12:32)

And, you know, because when you watch home makeover shit, it's always like, before, sparkle, sparkle, sparkle after, and you just see that quick transformation and even the people on it. I was talking to a girl who does, like, home flipping and does some content with it, and, you know, she's always like, we flipped our, like, 50th house, and we're making all this money. And. And then I was DMing her, and she was like, oh, this just sucks. Not. And not that she's being misleading, but it's just like, yeah, we're showing the good side of it. Yeah, I'm gonna show the bad side of it. And, yeah, it's. It's. I also try to make sure, like, I take a lot of responsibility for my. My stuff. Like, I hired that girl. She was supposed to run things. She just stopped replying to any emails or calls. She just stopped. I was like, did she die or something? I finally got her on the line after, like, a month of, you know, a couple months of no action, and then a month trying to get to her. Then, like, weeks later, I was like, yo, like, we're done here, right? Like, you're not even working. And she was just sort of just like, yeah, yeah. She didn't protest. She didn't have an excuse or reason. She was just like, yeah, we should probably move that direction. What? So now you're just, like, not gonna get the money and the things you said you're gonna do? I. To. I was like, I wonder if she, like, found something on Barstool that she didn't like about me. That's how it felt.

Pat McAfee (13:46)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (13:47)

But then people are like, no, yes. This kind of stuff happens. I'm like, what do you mean? And she was the one who picked the contractor who sucked. So I'm like, she was like the root of all of this. And then, and then, then you got to go through like, I don't like confrontation. I don't like, I don't want to fire someone. I don't want to have to look someone and be like, you suck. You know, So I don't want to do any of that. So that was added stress and then trying to transfer it. And then the real, the real problem is I ate a lot of money. I gave this guy a lot of money. Like a chunk of money that I'm not comfortable with. And. But I'm like, I have, have.

Pat McAfee (14:22)

So you like bottom out like a college?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (14:24)

No, no, no, I. So when we started our contract, I gave him the first installment. There was like three or four installments. We start off with a payment. Okay, fine, I'll get the ball rolling. Then we ran into some issues. And this is where I take accountability. That girl fucked us over the roof was way worse than like anticipated. And to be totally redone. So I had to bring in another company to do that. And the air conditioning was, was broken and I needed to bring someone into that. And then there's also things that were outside of his control. Like when you open up the walls of 100 year old house, you're like, oh, that's rotten. Now we were gonna like paint that. Now we have to redo the whole thing. So this, I allow for those things. Like that's, that's where when people say double the time, it's like, this could take six months. What they should.

Pat McAfee (15:04)

I'm not gonna double the time. You give me that window.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (15:06)

Right.

Pat McAfee (15:06)

That's a different story. That's a different story. Like you should say, tell me like, look, we must again, six months, there's problems.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (15:14)

It'll be 18.

Pat McAfee (15:14)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (15:15)

You know, usually it's a, a three month window. So it's like good bad, not like good nightmare, you know, because that would probably scare people off from doing any work and they want to get paid, you know what I mean?

Pat McAfee (15:26)

But I, Yeah, I don't think so.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (15:28)

Well, certain things that have to be done. But if you were doing some cosmetic and they were like, this could be quick or this could be two years, you might be like, just fucking leave it alone.

Pat McAfee (15:34)

Yeah, but if the cosmetic Shit is like, if we get into your walls and realize the house is rotting, we're gonna have to replace things. Yeah, of course we have to replace that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (15:41)

Right? So I gave him the first installment. Then when we ran into those problems with the girl, the roof, the air conditioning, he was like, we can't do anything till this is done. But I still gotta, like, pay my guys. I have insurance costs. Like, you know, all these costs I'm carrying. And in hindsight, that was stupid of me, but at that time, our relationship hadn't broken down, so I was sort of like, okay, yeah, like, this is fucked up. This is like, this isn't good for any of us. But I'm not going to, like, leave you and your guys out to dry. Here's a second installment. And then. So I paid him like, two thirds of the whole thing. It's a big renovation, and then I just eat it. And then I find out the new guys come in and they look at everything and they're like, that's wrong. That's wrong, that's wrong. And I. I could tell that it was wrong. Like, this was not like, inside baseball. You have to know the industry. It was like, this should be one long piece of wood that they clearly, like, cobbled together. Three 2x4s, because, I don't know, it's cheaper. They didn't have it on hand. And that's now, like, structurally not the same. There's like these two things, like, they should be parallel. And one piece of wood is just like that, like, totally crooked. There's. There's. There's just things that are like. I could blatantly see, you know, there's like a thing that should be like a T, and there's just like a few inches. So it's like, that's not resting on anything. All these things that, like, if you know just basic things about life, let alone you're supposed to be.

Pat McAfee (17:03)

You've ever done Lincoln Logs?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (17:05)

Basically, yes. It's like, yeah, a little kid would know how to build a block tower.

Pat McAfee (17:09)

And it ain't like this. I put another log on. It's gonna fall.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (17:11)

Yeah. Yes. So. And then. And like, there was a lot of. We failed a couple inspections that they were like, once this inspection passed, we're gonna go. Don't worry. And I was like, okay, cool. So then I waited to those inspections, and then we failed them. And he was like, yeah, well, we didn't. We didn't think we're gonna fail. And then they show me why they failed. And it Was like, there's a whole bunch of rotten wood that you can just instantly see that's rotten wood. And it's like, you know, if you told me we tried to get away with it because, like, you know, the thing was a little crooked, and sometimes inspectors look the other way. Fine. I could have told you that. Any inspector. He didn't even look at the rest of the house because he was like, that's gonna fail.

Pat McAfee (17:46)

This is quick. Go get a lunch. See you guys later.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (17:49)

So that plus the new guys came in, and, yeah. So the new guy said, all this is wrong. So now I have to pay them to redo work. I already paid for him. And the plumber and electrician subcontractors that he brought in to do the specialty work were like, we didn't get paid. So I assumed that he was taking that money and giving it to the people, and he was not. So I just gave this guy a lot of money to basically, like, frame a couple walls. Like, there. He did some work, but, like, I mean.

Pat McAfee (18:20)

And then I think.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (18:22)

So I think I have to, like, go to, like, Consumer Protection affairs or better. Better Business Bureau, something like that. What I want to do is say to him, like, listen, we both know what happened here. Meet me halfway. At least pay those guys. I feel bad for them.

Pat McAfee (18:35)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (18:35)

Give me a chunk of the money back. I don't. I know I'm not going to get everything back, and I don't want to do the legal, because first of all, that eats into the money. That's why I'm like, meet me halfway. Because that would be legal fees anyway. And also, just, like, peace of mind. I don't want to have a lawsuit right now where I don't know how that works. Are we like, am I going to be on the stand or something? And it's. It's just like, God damn it, man. You, me. And he was like, he's a nice guy. Like, I'm trying to figure out. I'm like, was this malevolence or incompetence? Because those are two very different things. And I don't know what's worse. The whole time I keep saying to myself, either you were lying to me and you're an, or you actually didn't think that there was a problem here, and you thought that these things were normal, in which case, what?

Pat McAfee (19:21)

You're the stupidest boy alive. Congratulations. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (19:24)

And it's just like, you know, and I just feel so foolish for like, now. I kind of realize what some of those warnings from, like, My parents and older people were that it wasn't just like, ah, that's gonna be a headache for you and a lot of money. Don't you want to just buy something turnkey? You know, it's like maybe, maybe I wasn't listening or maybe they didn't say it explicitly enough or whatever. But what it should have been was like, this is going to ruin your life for a couple years. Are you cool with that? Because then, you know, at least I would have gone into it being like, this is gonna really suck. I went into it being like, this is gonna be an inconvenience, but it'll be okay. It'll be fun. We'll film, I'll get some good out of it. Instead it's just like, I mean, right now, even, even we, we weren't supposed to go through the winter. So by this point, we've like opened up a part of my house during the spring and summer. And I figured it would be done. Now it's not done. It's 20 degrees outside. I have half my house exposed. It's freezing. My kids are freezing. It's like 60 degrees in the house. So the new guys, right away, the first thing they did was like, set up this, like, they put like a zipper, a zipper up plastic thing, like seals it, you know. But that's to get into my kitchen. So now anytime I want to go to. And what I'm going to do is I got to get a fridge and just put it in the main room. Done that, right? Which is like, so just do that. And then you don't have this problem. Kevin. But it's also annoying. That's like, I have to put everything in this one room. But now I am like Ace Ventura coming out of the rhinoceros ass. Like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (20:51)

Step through. I come out, I have a drink and some food. I feel like, step through it without fucking spilling it. It's like all these things that are just like a constant reminder of, like, I'm living in this war zone all because of these people who. Just me and I. And to back to what we were saying earlier, like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (21:10)

How much research or something can you do on a person? How could you ever really be comfortable that you've shown that, like, okay, this person will do the job, right? I don't have to call your parents or the testimonials again. I mean, I guess that's like what job references are. Like, I need to hear from three people who worked with you and all those things. Maybe I. And that's, you know, I Guess if I'll ever go down this road, I'll.

Pat McAfee (21:32)

I'll do that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (21:32)

Like, I'll really investigate it. I went back and looked at some reviews. There was only one review, you. That I saw prior to me working with him that was like, this is gonna be a problem. Since then, there's been a lot of people who are explaining my exact experience to a T. So I wonder if he's just, like, burned a bunch of bridges or ran out of goodwill. Yeah. Industry passed him by, whatever it is. But part of me is like, how did you ever have this job, let alone. So. But yeah, it just makes me be like, you know, if, If I went to a doctor. I mean, I guess people get second opinions on doctors and stuff, but if they're like, you need to do surgery, it's like, okay. Are you a surgeon? Yes. You've operated on people before? Yes. Like, I trust you, you know, and then he. You up and it's like, well, how was I supposed to. I mean, maybe.

Pat McAfee (22:17)

Maybe.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (22:18)

Maybe I sound naive and stupid. Maybe there's a bunch of people like, yeah, those are the things you do. But I, I lived in a world where, like, if the mechanic tells you, like, I can fix the engine, like, cool. When you drive off the lot and it breaks right away, you're like, okay, I guess you lied to me. It's like, there's, I just. There's a little bit of a difference of, like, your me being stupid versus me just getting fucked by someone who blatantly lied.

Pat McAfee (22:39)

Yeah. It wasn't one conversation. We had a hundred conversations.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (22:42)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (22:43)

Kept assuring me that this would be fine. It wasn't just like, oh, sure, here you go. Here's my checkbook.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (22:48)

Right? Right.

Pat McAfee (22:49)

We had a lot of conversations. I raised my concerns. You came back and you assuaged me. You, you told me I'd be fine on those concerns. So now you suck at your job. Yeah. That's the long and short of it. And you suck at your job.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (23:01)

I really go back to like, is it just that you sucked or in the back of your head, were you going, I told this guy six months in the shop.

Pat McAfee (23:08)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (23:09)

Because the other guys being like, he always does slow work. I'm like, so that means, you know, that you signed on for jobs that were 12 months that took 18 and nine months that took two years. And, like, so why did you lie to me? Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (23:22)

I, I, I had faith in people, you know, And I guess I shouldn't have faith in people. And also, it's just the Mush, man. It's like, how did. How did the girl I picked be terrible? The guy I picked be terrible. Like, the. The inspector who came to check on the house before I moved in said, everything's good. He was wrong. Like, everyone's wrong. Everyone. Everything I touch is wrong. God damn it.

Pat McAfee (23:43)

Pete Holmes has a funny bit about that where he gets called gullible a lot. He's like, I'm not gullible. You lied to me. You guys are. Yeah, yeah. That's not a shortcoming of me.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (23:54)

Now, like, what would be gullible is if this guy said, like, hey, I know it didn't work out, but I'd love to do, like, you know, the other half of your house. And I said, yeah, let's give it another shot. Gullible and stupid. When you go to a professional who. And it's also like, this guy's old. It's not like he was, like, 22 and starting out. It's like, oh, yeah, I picked a rookie and I got rookie work. Supposed to be like a veteran of the game, and you just lied to me, you know, But I guess that's, you know, the life experience that. But what bothers me is, like, the. The acceptance. Like your father was saying, no, you gotta double, triple. That's on you. It's like we. I, I now understand moving forward, if I ever do something like this, I know the risks and to double and triple the time, the money and all that. But. But it's not. Still doesn't make it okay. No, we should still say, I know this is gonna take me three extra months and you for it. Not just like, I know. Yeah, chickens.

Pat McAfee (24:43)

Yeah, that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (24:45)

That part is really shitty. So.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (24:49)

And I. I told Owen the other day, Owen was in here, and I was like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (24:53)

People are going to tell you to buy a house. Don't do that. They're going to tell you it's a wise investment. They're going to tell you rent is flushing the money down the toilet. You're not going to have anything to show for it. At the end of the day, don't listen to any of that. And then when you do buy a house, you're going to think about things like, I want it to have character. I want it to look unique. I want it to be. There's some history there. All of that. Buy yourself a cookie cutter McMansion in a housing development that all looks the fucking same. And it looks like the model home from Arrested Development. And the walls are, like, hollow and. And the acoustics are Terrible. But it's just. It's standing and it's good and it's done and it's clean and you never have to fucking worry about anything else. That's what I should. That all the other. Because at least for me, it just ends up being where you rest your head. It's like. I do think the house I bought is, is very cool when it's. People keep saying when it's done, it's gonna be amazing. It's like when it's done, I'm just gonna be like, thank God it's done.

Pat McAfee (25:42)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (25:43)

I don't think I'm gonna have this like renewed sense of life.

Pat McAfee (25:45)

Because I think you will.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (25:46)

I mean, I, I will only because of. It's like expelling, exercising these demons, you know?

Pat McAfee (25:54)

But I think you will. I. I think it sucks. I think when it's all done, I'd be like, thank you.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (25:58)

Hope so.

Pat McAfee (26:00)

Honestly, like, you saying all that just depressed the hell out of me because, like, I've been in those houses. You don't want those.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (26:06)

I know. You want the house.

Pat McAfee (26:08)

You have.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (26:08)

Yeah. Like, you're right, I guess. Cramming in like two years of like misery for. In exchange for like 30 years of not being like this place.

Pat McAfee (26:16)

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You'll have 10 years of being like someone in the basement. And I can hear them closing a door.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (26:22)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (26:22)

Because nothing in this house is paper thin.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (26:25)

Everything's.

Pat McAfee (26:25)

Yeah. That bothers me so much.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (26:27)

That part is.

Pat McAfee (26:28)

You can even hear the door when. When it shuts and it like there's just those doors, the way they shut. There's just an extra like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (26:38)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (26:38)

This is, you know, the one thing.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (26:40)

I really wish I had though. And I. And I feel like I've seen this in these at least newer built homes. Quiet stairs.

Pat McAfee (26:49)

Yeah, yeah, quiet stairs.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (26:52)

Like I was in a. Is that some family and they have like a new, modern, new built, but nice house. And it's just nothing on the steps, you know?

Pat McAfee (27:03)

But then once they're upstairs, you can hear him fucking.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (27:05)

Yeah, yeah.

Pat McAfee (27:07)

Walking around. That is true. Can hear the fucking toilets flushing and like that. Because everything's this thin.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (27:12)

Yes, that part is true. But I just, you know, I have an old wooden staircase with like a windy banister and it's just like.

Pat McAfee (27:20)

And it's just like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (27:22)

But I. You're probably right. But I just know for myself that like, novelty of things like homes and cars wear off on me pretty quickly. Like in the beginning I was like, wow, this is big. And like, look at the Yard and the cool turret and like all that, the stained glass windows and that part that, that is still all cool, but eventually it just becomes like, this is where I sleep at night and eat my food before I go to work.

Pat McAfee (27:43)

But then I think eventually it'll come out the other way. And you'll go, like, in 10 years, you'll walk around, you'll see that stained glass, you'll go, God, it's beautiful.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (27:50)

And you know what else I'm gonna do? This is gonna make me utilize. Like, I wanted to have a 40th birthday at my house and have everybody come as, like a belated housewarming. Plus, my 40th birthday, I wanted to host Thanksgiving. Couldn't do it. Like, all these things that I, I hope when it's done, I'm gonna be like, playdates are, are at my house. Like, you know, people come to my house. Yeah, Family, I host pool parties. Like, birthday parties. Gonna be hosted in the backyard. All that. So I hope that, that this makes me be like, all right, we went through like hell to get this done, so now we're gonna, like, really make sure we. We use it. But I just, I also know myself in, in terms of, like, at the end of the day, it's funny, I could probably just live in like a studio apartment, but it's when I purchased something that was not that and I'm forced to live in it that I'm like this. You know, there are even times where, like, I've always thought this about like, you know, 50, 50 bedroom mansions and stuff. It's like, if you like, forget your wallet somewhere, you know, it's like, oh, my wallet. Go back, I got to grab it. You know, we. We pop in and grab it off the thing. 50 Cent pops in, he's like, I gotta walk. Like, why'd you lose your wallet?

Pat McAfee (28:59)

I thought I was in brown wallet. I never bring my wallet.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (29:02)

And you gotta go to the dmv.

Pat McAfee (29:04)

I don't take my wallet.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (29:05)

I know, you said that. You said that to me, like, relatively recently. And I realized that, like, yeah, if you're not driving and you're probably not getting ID'd anywhere, what do you need? Your wallet?

Pat McAfee (29:16)

It started as an accident. Yeah, not as an accident, but as.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (29:19)

Like one time you forget it.

Pat McAfee (29:20)

I was like, ah, I don't actually need it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (29:21)

And then you're like, I actually don't need it.

Pat McAfee (29:23)

I don't really need it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (29:23)

Yeah, when you, when you said that to me, I was like, what mean, do you. You mean you have To. No, you don't have to bring your wallet.

Pat McAfee (29:28)

I don't need my wallet at all.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (29:30)

That, that's, this kind of came and went a couple weeks ago. I meant to do a video on it. When they were talking about the digital passports, did you hear that? I think that's what they're called. It's basically like, can you Google digital password for me? I think that's what it was. It's sort of like little black mirror is where it's like everything is going to become. Yeah. Secure electronic version of your physical passport stored on your, on your smartphone. And I, I think what I'm talking about is maybe a little further than that. It was like you're basically putting like your life onto a digital thing.

Pat McAfee (30:05)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (30:06)

Whether it's an app or a device or whatever has like your insurance information, it has your Social Security and all that stuff. And it's, you know, makes it like convenient and electronic and all that. But a lot of people were like, this is handing over all, everything to like the government and a controlling power. And if this goes south, you're, and if they decide to use it to control you like you're. And, and when they first like announced it, it was like probably earlier in November. I think there were some people being like, this is bad, we should not do this. And then it seems to have come. Like, you didn't really hear much about it, right? No, yeah, it seems like kind of coming.

Pat McAfee (30:40)

And also like, I, I, my always thing with like, you don't want to give all this information to.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (30:46)

We already did.

Pat McAfee (30:47)

Like, who doesn't have my information?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (30:50)

I know, I know. Right.

Pat McAfee (30:51)

At this point, like, and I, I, I, I. First of all, I'm not like in a rush to do this or anything like that, but just like, if this is a government thing, they have that information. They were the ones who gave me the information. Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (31:05)

Well, so I, So it would include your name, date of birth, unique ID number, a photo, some biometrics like face scan, fingerprint scan, and a digital signature or encrypted key proving authenticity. Those, those all have them all.

Pat McAfee (31:19)

You know, like anyone who wants that of mine can have it. So it's not from me, but they'll go get it somewhere.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (31:23)

The idea is to make renewing licenses, accessing government benefits, medical records, banking, travel, all easier. Places like Singapore, Denmark and Estonia have already like totally implemented this.

Pat McAfee (31:35)

But I like my next Estonia vacation much easier. I know it's a little weird, but.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (31:40)

They say like government outreach, overreach and loss of Anonymity, data breaches. Like, if they hack this, they've got, you know, everything to you. And.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (31:51)

I think also the thing is, when they make it, like, a requirement, it's like, if you want to travel, you have to give us all your information. It's like, well, that, like, I want to be able to, like, freely go somewhere without having. You know what I mean?

Pat McAfee (32:01)

But there's a passport, huh? That's a passport. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (32:03)

Yeah. I mean, that's why, like, the argument of, like, we're kind of doing all these things already. But I guess if, you know, they were to extend that to, like, other. I think we're used to, like, travel. You have to do it. But if it was, like, if you want to have a bank account, you have to give us all the. If you want to, like, your social media is tied to all these things. I don't know, it just seems like it's a.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (32:23)

Like, hey, this will be. It's almost like the merger, the. The Netflix thing, where it's like, no, this will be good for the consumer. It means you don't have to download a million apps. It'll be very streamlined and convenient. It's like that. That part is literally true.

Pat McAfee (32:33)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (32:33)

But what comes along with it is price hacks and control and all that. So it's sort of the same thing. It's like, yeah, on the surface, they're telling us this is really convenient. Do it. The government does not do things for you. Like, oh, let's make things convenient for the people and do things for them. You know, like, that's what. How we're selling it to you, but we're gonna, you know, utilize it in a way that probably you over. But I think you're also right that it's like, we've already done all this.

Pat McAfee (32:55)

Did I miss hear that? That it's like it's the government who has it. Like, yeah, yeah. So, like, again, they gave me the information. They have the information. They gave it to me. That's how I got it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (33:10)

I'm sure there is more to this than, like, we are, you know, smart enough to understand, but it's like, I.

Pat McAfee (33:16)

I guess give the government your Social Security number.

Pat McAfee (33:22)

Let me borrow it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (33:24)

And I think also it people just, you know, have an issue with, like, you can't sell my data. And it's like, yes, they can, and they already are. And you don't even realize I'm not thrilled about it. I just.

Pat McAfee (33:35)

Yeah, I can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (33:37)

So. Right, right.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (33:40)

You know, these are probably things like in a couple generations, could this be like really bad? Probably. But I don't know. By the time I'm dead it'll just be like whatever. So that's a problem for my kids.

Pat McAfee (33:49)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (33:52)

But I think I realized it the other day. My email address is completely unusable at this point. Mine too. It's just like so many promotions and things I signed up for and like two factor authentication. I open up my email and there's like 500 new emails and maybe, maybe one of them is. Is something and I miss it or whatever and I want to just nuke my account. I mean I'm also. I don't use email enough to the point that it's like if I needed to change my email it would be like bad. So I probably should just start fresh. But also I have like other passwords and things that are linked to it. It's just like hard. It's like I wish I could just. And I looked into this. There are services that like third party services that allow you to unsubscribe if you link and. And there should just be a button that's just like factory reset.

Pat McAfee (34:41)

Yep. I completely.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (34:42)

And you have.

Pat McAfee (34:42)

But you know, I've done this before. I've. I've gone through. Done everything and deleted everything because how recently though? Years. Because maybe Covid. I. I remember doing it at my parents house. So maybe even before COVID But Covet probably. And it was like you can select all on one page. So like select all, Delete, select all. It was like one of those just kind of like sitting there watching tv.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (35:02)

So just get through it.

Pat McAfee (35:02)

But like it took.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (35:03)

I mean I tried to do one for my Gmail. It was like would you like to select all like 42000 of these spam emails and delete. And I did that but I think it's like that's too much.

Pat McAfee (35:12)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (35:13)

It just sits there like spit, pinwheeling and that's not happening. But there needs to be a way. Wouldn't it be cool if there was like a life reset too? This would be bad. You can't do this because it'd be people running away from families and debt.

Pat McAfee (35:24)

And stuff like that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (35:25)

But if you wanted to like a, a voluntary witness protection program where it's just like, I want to get out, start over, give me a new name. Government sent me a new number and I go to Albuquerque and I just, you know, that would be used for, for bad. But I wonder it would Be cool if, you know, I don't know, you get out of a relationship if you don't have any, like, people or serious responsibilities you're leaving behind, you know, I don't know if you can make that a prerequisite, but if it could just be like, man, the last like 10 years have sucked and that relationship sucked. And I, I'm changing careers, might as well change it all. Just, you know, people like, you only get one life. What if you didn't? What if you could have a second one or a third one? Change my hair, changed my name, change my town. And I just. I guess that's what people used to probably do, right?

Pat McAfee (36:09)

Yeah. You don't have to move very far, move down the street.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (36:11)

Right. It's like if you, if you don't.

Pat McAfee (36:12)

Run the other side of the street, you're good guard to find you.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (36:15)

That. That is such a dream, man. I just think about, like the amount of people that just still have access to you all the time, you know?

Pat McAfee (36:22)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (36:22)

Even in a nice way. Ending KFC radio. I got a lot of texts from people and a lot of like, numbers I didn't have because I didn't store them. They didn't transfer over my old phone and stuff. People like, yo, man, long time no talk. Like, congrats. I'm just like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (36:36)

I don't want to do like, who's this? I'm just like, thanks. Oh, my God. I'm just talking to people I don't.

Pat McAfee (36:39)

Even know they are.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (36:40)

I want to get out of this life. I want to disconnect from everything.

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Kevin Clancy (KFC) (39:08)

Terms do apply, but yeah, whatever, man. So that could be my, my final. I did something stupid that's inconvenience in my life and I'm gonna scream about it on the podcast.

Pat McAfee (39:19)

Yeah, a lot of those.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (39:20)

I remember the time I, I, I remember I barged in the old studio and had a meltdown because my car broke down.

Pat McAfee (39:26)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (39:27)

It was just like, yeah, man, you didn't change your oil. You didn't change your oil for like four years. Like, I was at the end of a lease and they were like, have you changed your oil? I was like, no, but I do maintain the oil light never went on on that car. And they, they said to me, when they looked at, they're like, yeah, you're, your panel's all up And I, Yeah. Life experience. I now know that even if the light doesn't come on, your car is not just magically fixing its oil. You have to do that now. I know. Next. Oh, is that it? Oh, wow. That's it. And then, and then I get the, the, the, the you're a millionaire crowd coming out. I don't have any money. I have none. Everybody listening probably has more money than me. That was, I was pretty low at that point.

Pat McAfee (40:08)

I was not lying.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (40:09)

Have no money. I am so broke. Do you think I would drive a Hyundai if I was a millionaire?

Pat McAfee (40:18)

I am poor. We really got win this Jenga match today, get you a new car. Yeah, I need the $10,000.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (40:28)

That was dramatic, but it was very real. I mean there was a point with divorce and just like some other going on with me. I hit like $0 as an adult.

Pat McAfee (40:36)

You had 0? 0.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (40:38)

I hit $0 as like a 30 something year old man. $0. And it was like right before $0. It was right 0. I opened up my account, it was negative. And then, and then, and then.

Pat McAfee (40:53)

How old were you?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (40:54)

30.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (40:59)

Like 30. Low 30s. Okay, that's not 33.

Pat McAfee (41:02)

That's not as bad.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (41:03)

Wait, no, no, wait. It was post divorce, probably like 30.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (41:08)

So like, yeah, before COVID like 2018. So yeah, like 33.

Pat McAfee (41:11)

Okay. That's all right. 33. You can be hitting zero bucks.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (41:14)

Well, if you, if you, if you have lived your life in a way, like if you are an artist or you didn't pick a lucrative career or something like that and you're kind of like living paycheck to paycheck and you do that till you're like 33. That's okay. Yeah, it's, I was, I'm 33.

Pat McAfee (41:29)

Those are your Jesus years. You can do whatever the you want.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (41:33)

I.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (41:36)

I having, I started a job in finance and then went to this, like I should have had money.

Pat McAfee (41:40)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (41:40)

I mean it was poor decisions and life decisions that like me up and.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (41:45)

That it luckily like we got bonuses the next week, you know.

Pat McAfee (41:50)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (41:50)

So I was, I kept being like, I need that bonus. But I didn't truly realize, like I literally need that bonus. And I thought I, I, you know, I don't know, something auto paid like, or a big expense or whatever. I thought I had a few bucks in there. When I opened it up and saw that I didn't, it, I had a meltdown. I was like, I have no money. That's when I was on like cameo and all that. By the way.

Pat McAfee (42:10)

I don't Know the cameos hard.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (42:12)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (42:13)

You could tell. It would be like, kevin's not doing so good right now.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (42:16)

I mean, divorce bills were paid on the backs of Cameo.

Pat McAfee (42:19)

For real.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (42:20)

Every time that retainer hit, I was like, yeah, man. Like, Frank, you're number one pick in the draft, and Tommy, you're number two.

Pat McAfee (42:28)

Happy Father's Day.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (42:30)

I. I don't know if this was coincidence. It was. It was portrayed to me as such, but I have my suspicions. When we announced the end of the show, I got a text from a cameo guy being like, it's been a while since you've been on the platform. You want to come back? And I was like, all right, we're ending the show. We're not. Like, it's not like, I don't need to beg for money anymore. There's new things, is a new chapter. Not like I'm. I wonder. I do wonder sometimes. Some people have kind of portrayed it to me in such a way that it's like. It's like we will be doing content. There is more coming. Like, I feel like we've said that, at least for me. There's definitely been some, like, finality to it that it's like this. There's finality to the show, but not like, my life and career.

Pat McAfee (43:13)

Yeah, there's no finality.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (43:14)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (43:16)

When I teared up because I was like. I was like, oh, obviously when you're talking about, like, fans, emotions connected to the show, I'm gonna be a little more emotional about it, but, like, yeah, there's no finality to the show.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (43:25)

Or.

Pat McAfee (43:25)

I mean, there is finally the show, but not.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (43:26)

Not like everything else.

Pat McAfee (43:27)

Everything else is not going anywhere. I hope not. Contracts at the end of the year.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (43:30)

We'll see.

Pat McAfee (43:30)

Well, I'll see what happens.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (43:33)

Yo, me and you both, brother. I do think maybe. Maybe this is something like a year from now.

Pat McAfee (43:38)

I'm.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (43:38)

I'm saying the same thing I just said about the. The house. Like, now I know. Now I know. Like, if you end your major podcast.

Pat McAfee (43:43)

If I'm leaving, it's not of my own free will, I'll tell you that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (43:48)

Yeah, I know.

Pat McAfee (43:49)

Like, I'm like one of those guys going to jail. Like, I got no suicidal tendencies. Just so you know.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (43:53)

Just everyone knows I laughed the other day. WFAN made the announcement. They're bringing back Craig Carton. And so there was a big shake up. A couple people had to, like, lose their time slot for him. And then. Then there was a couple odd. Odd men out that are, like, might lose their Jobs, which sucks. But one of the guys, like, I think like a week days before the, the Carton announcement was saying they were talking about Craig. It's always been rumored that Craig Carton was going to go back to wfan, so that's kind of been a talking point. And this guy said something like, craig can come back all he wants. He ain't taking my spot, baby, I'll tell you right now. And he immediately, like, defiantly, but he was sort of like, I'm good. And then he was like, cold take, like, yeah, yeah. So. So maybe, maybe we'll say, you know, when you end your show of 15 years and your contract expires in about 12 months, like, note to self, don't do that again. We'll see. But I do.

Pat McAfee (44:44)

The intention is to get another contract.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (44:52)

So anyway, we're, we're, we're. We're kind of on memory lane right now, reminiscing. So let's go through some of the, Some of the old school moments. I think we'll start with the one at the top there, Pabs. This is one that has. Was so funny. And if you're a diehard KFC radio fan, you'll remember this, but has aged even, Even better, even more on point than it was early on. And I'm talking about John's Timothy Chalamet moment. And.

Pat McAfee (45:25)

What year was this?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (45:26)

This was eight. 18, maybe. No, let's see. I. I want to say that that was. That was a good amount of time ago. I think it was pre.

Pat McAfee (45:35)

Covered. I know it says 2024, but that could be. No, no, no.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (45:40)

Definitely not. Definitely not.

Pat McAfee (45:43)

If it's Pre Covid.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (45:44)

Early 2020.

Pat McAfee (45:45)

At the 2000s, I would guess mid-2020s.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (45:48)

Okay. Yeah, we're at the mid-20s.

Pat McAfee (45:51)

I'm sorry, mid-2020 of the year. Yeah, but. But maybe it's late 2019.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (45:56)

Either way, a long time ago when John was on his Timothy Chalamet kick. I mean, at that point, I don't know what Chalamet had really done. He had like that peach by your name.

Pat McAfee (46:07)

Beautiful boy. Beautiful boy.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (46:10)

But this is Chalamet, Pre, Dune and Pre. Actually. What is it?

Pat McAfee (46:15)

Pre Wonka. Pre.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (46:16)

Like. Yeah. Like now Marty Supreme's out like he pre Nick's court side.

Pat McAfee (46:23)

By the way, I was saying this the other day. The fact that Timothy Chalamet has so much public goodwill that banging the Kardashian doesn't even come up.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (46:33)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (46:33)

Is great. Like, Kanye west was the coolest man on the planet, and then he started Shardashian, and pretty quickly he was a Nazi.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (46:40)

Crazy Nazi.

Pat McAfee (46:41)

And, like, people were, like, people would make fun of it.

Pat McAfee (46:44)

He bangs a Kardashian like Timothy Chalamet. And maybe it's because Kylie Jenner, who. I don't know much about her, but, like, I don't think she gets the same Kardashian hate.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (46:52)

Not quite. But I mean, there are some people who at first were like. I've definitely seen some chatter of people being like, like, our Timothy is like, so much better than that. But I think for the most part, it's sort of. At least I know for me, I thought of Timothy with a double E and Chalamet, and he did the, like, the artsy acting. I remember being like, ye. This guy, like, might be a great actor or whatever, but, like, he's a weirdo and not my bag, you know? And then I got to, like, know him more and see him more.

Pat McAfee (47:15)

He's the perfect New York City kid. Yeah. Like, he's a New York City saw.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (47:19)

His digital footprint for when he's a kid is awesome. He's always doing the Soulja Boy dance. He did, like, skits and talent shows and made silly videos because he's like, very much of his era. And when I realized that and then he started dating Kylie, I think it's. It actually makes it like, the ultimate where it's like, you are at least were perceived as this, like, Juilliard artsy kid and you bagged the baddest. Like, you can. All the. All the Shalamet. Like, actor fans are probably, like, he's so, like, in depth and artsy and romantic and thoughtful. Like, that might all be true, but he also wants that, like, Kylie Jenner is one of those. I don't know what's real and what's not in Sergio or whatever, but, like, she is one of those. I think she awakens, like, primal in.

Pat McAfee (48:03)

Men, you know, like, that I want to, like, hit you over the head and drag you to my cave.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (48:09)

So anyway, this is. This is feidalberg. When the. Again, if you're a Case Raider fan, you absolutely know this. If you weren't around for a long time, the question was supposed to be, I don't even remember it now, would.

Pat McAfee (48:19)

Guys be better with. Or chicks be better with dick?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (48:21)

Right? So it was like, if you had to, like, switch, I. I posed it as a very general question, or in my mind, it was supposed to be general. And you went very specific with, like, who would be a guy. Play the clip. Play the Clip. If this happened for a day, whole world.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (48:37)

Who do you. Or I guess it doesn't matter how long or who happens to, but who do you think would be better with the other person's parts? So that I meant that to be like, men will be better at like with a women. The answer was supposed to be gender. And John gets whole world.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (48:55)

Who do you. Or I guess it doesn't matter how long or who happens to, but who do you think would be better with the other person's parts? The other gender's parts?

Pat McAfee (49:05)

Timothy Chalamet.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (49:06)

No.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (49:10)

I actually feel bad watching this clip sometimes because I know we were laughing in your face. I'm sure you were like, wait, what guys? Really embarrassing.

Pat McAfee (49:21)

So wholesome.

Pat McAfee (49:26)

Bro. I I. What I say, first of all, first of all, first of all.

Pat McAfee (49:35)

Was it the most correct and accurate answer ever given?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (49:37)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (49:38)

No. Like, we've seen fucking AIs flip Timothee Chalamet into a chick. We've had chicks go viral who look like Timothy Chalamet. Guess what? Everyone wants to fuck them because they're all hot as shit. I can spot talent. I fucking you nailed it. I nailed it. And because it was such perfect timing asking me this question, because the night before there was some kind of award show. I don't know if it was the Oscars, the Globes, or whatever. So I go on to say it in the clip. I'm like, I saw him last night and I was just like, that man is pretty.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (50:09)

If that guy magically switched to that, I would him.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (50:14)

That's a very funny thing to think about. Like, if someone goes, oh, this is a great question. I was just thinking about this.

Pat McAfee (50:21)

Like, literally 12 hours ago, I was thinking about this. See the rest of it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (50:31)

I remember saying that in the moment, it's held up, it really was guys or girls.

Pat McAfee (50:36)

Like, would a guy be better at.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (50:38)

With a girl's parts or would a girl be better at with a dick? And you say, timothy, I love.

Pat McAfee (50:49)

We're about to make Timothy shop T shirts, bro.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (50:52)

What a fucking moment. I mean, I see where you're going with it, and it makes perfect sense.

Pat McAfee (50:57)

Last night at the Oscars, thought he looked pretty. He's a pretty girl. He's a pretty man. I stop at the Oscar. I thought he looked pretty. He did. He did.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (51:07)

Did you try to pull up, like, Oscars 2020.

Pat McAfee (51:11)

Damn, that dude looks pretty, man.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (51:16)

You know, there, there's a world. I. I think.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (51:22)

He kind of looks like the girl from Stranger Things.

Pat McAfee (51:26)

Buy this.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (51:30)

I mean, that for sure looks Like, Like a lesbian who kind of like slicks her hair back like a ruby rose sort of thing. Like.

Pat McAfee (51:35)

Yep, for sure.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (51:36)

It's got those vibes.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (51:40)

And he. At this point, he's probably. He was probably what, like 20 years old.

Pat McAfee (51:43)

Yeah, dude, there's a.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (51:45)

There's a movie right now. He's like 29.

Pat McAfee (51:47)

Yeah, he's older.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (51:48)

Yeah. Okay.

Pat McAfee (51:48)

And Butler's like. Butler's like 32. He can still be broke if he wants.

Pat McAfee (51:55)

Probably 22, 23. I was thinking about this when you showed that clip. There's a movie, great movie. The Recruit. Al Pacino. Colin Farrell. Yeah, awesome movie. And Al Pacino has a line. He says a lot when he goes, you can say what you want about me, kid, but I'm a scary judge of talent.

Pat McAfee (52:14)

You can call me gay all you want, boys. Scary judge of talent. Fuck it, dude.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (52:19)

Nailed it. I mean, this is back when Timothy Chalamet, like, you had, you know, know movie people knew, but the rest of the world didn't know. Now he is a household name. Feidelberg was thinking about him with a magical. Long time ago. There was a time where, when Kelly Martin was still working for us and booking for us, and we were getting like a list actors pretty, pretty regularly. I. I remember thinking, like, it's not outside the realm of possibility. He's a New York guy. He's a Knicks fan. He's always in the city. Like we. We had on people of his caliber. And I. I could have seen it happening. And I remember thinking, like, what. What do we do if that happens? Because that was such a moment that we could not bring him up.

Pat McAfee (52:58)

Oh, it'd be the first thing I tell him.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (52:59)

Would you be the first? I was thinking, be the last dude.

Pat McAfee (53:00)

You'd be great with a.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (53:04)

And actually knowing seeing him now that he did Internet content and skits and all that, like, he probably would be going, yeah, but I was thinking we would at the very end. Like, that was a great conversation, man. Just wanted to let you know, my co host. Would you.

Pat McAfee (53:16)

Yeah, dude, that just made me think of what's the worst? What's it not? Not worst? Because it doesn't. It doesn't have to be even worse. But like, what's a question that sticks out in your mind that we've asked guest or asked a guest. We were like, fuck, that didn't go well.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (53:31)

Oh, I mean, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to think of.

Pat McAfee (53:33)

Specifics, but I got, I got. I. I can go. So the Seth Rogen oh, brutal.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (53:39)

But I, I think. I think he was bizarrely uptight in.

Pat McAfee (53:45)

That interview, but he was good the whole interview. I, I, this is actually something I've learned recently, having gone on shows lately. We absolutely.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (53:54)

How we do guest interviews.

Pat McAfee (53:56)

Like, we should have. You start with their thing, and then. Yeah, you go into other stuff.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (54:01)

Right.

Pat McAfee (54:02)

And so we had done, like, 40 minutes with Seth Rogen, and we'd never even mentioned why he was there.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (54:07)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (54:07)

And then we were like, would you suck Jonah? It was like, Jonah Hill's dick's halfway in your ass, and your dick's halfway in.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (54:14)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (54:14)

Which way would you know in it was Jonah Hill and Dave Franco or James Franco, whatever. And, and it was like. And you got to go one way or the other. And, like, like, would you do cartwheels on it? Like, and he was just like, we can't talk about my charity at all.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (54:29)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (54:29)

And it was like, what bothered me.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (54:30)

About that was like, I, I, I remember there was enough time left, and it was something for Alzheimer's. And you had, I think. Right.

Pat McAfee (54:38)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (54:39)

You had, like, a very personal connection to it.

Pat McAfee (54:41)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (54:41)

I was like, we're about to do probably one of the best, like, plugs for that charity, because it wasn't just gonna be lip service. You were like, I, I really. This means a lot to me, basically. But the guest doesn't know that that's coming. And they're like, I also. But I also remember off the rip.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (54:59)

We made a joke about. I brought up him doing the. The. The Bound spoof.

Pat McAfee (55:06)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (55:07)

And I remember kind of being like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (55:11)

What was like, what was the impetus for that or the inspiration or whatever. And I remember him at one point kind of just being like, well, I'm not homophobic. So, like, it was something like that. And I was sort of like, he took that the wrong way.

Pat McAfee (55:23)

I remember asking about the video, but I just don't remember that part.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (55:25)

I, I remember it was sort of just like, we were laughing about it because it was, like, funny, but then it kind of got turned around, and it was like, do you think that's funny? Because it's, like, homophobic or something like that. And I just remember being like, whoa. That was like, we. That was a big leap to there. And I just didn't see it coming from Seth Rogen. I also thought. I remember doing that hypothetical. I remember going into that being like, seth Rogen's down to clown, like, stoner comedy guy.

Pat McAfee (55:45)

Like, he'll.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (55:46)

He'll, like, have some fun with this. And he did not.

Pat McAfee (55:49)

But then also now seeing Seth Rogen now, not surprised as much.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (55:53)

Right? Yeah. We just had the wrong perception of him.

Pat McAfee (55:55)

Right.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (55:56)

But I also think that that perception. Maybe I was wrong, but I think that perception at the time was kind of warranted. Like, I don't know, if you watch, like, this is the end and.

Pat McAfee (56:03)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (56:04)

We could ask any of those guys this. But I think, you know, I think.

Pat McAfee (56:07)

With again, just having gone on shows, I remember. I remember being stressed about, like, how are they going to bring up mascots? How are we going to talk about mascots? How am I going to work mascots in the conversation?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (56:16)

Do it.

Pat McAfee (56:17)

And then, like, when you start on it, I'm like, oh, I'm done worrying about that. Okay, now let's talk about the show. And I remember just again, having done those shows, I remember being like, we should have started with their stuff. Yeah. I think that would have put guests more at ease just because I knew how much stress I felt going into it. And then immediately that stress was gone. Because we talked about the thing I wanted to talk about.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (56:34)

I used to think of it the other way of, like, the audience where like. Like, if you, like, open up the Seth Rogen interview, I don't think the first thing you want to hear is about, like, this charity. You want to hear about, like. Yeah, but it's like.

Pat McAfee (56:44)

But that's. That's our job, right?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (56:46)

You gotta make the charity and also, like, that's what the audience wants for sure. But you gotta just like, sacrifice that for a little bit. You're gonna have to fast forward. You're gonna have to listen to five minutes first or whatever.

Pat McAfee (56:56)

Yeah, we're also like, you might. That interview in particular, this doesn't hold ring true for everything, but, like, that interview in particular when he was promoting was awesome. It's on Netflix still, I think. But it was an als.

Pat McAfee (57:10)

Basically charity live show that still has one of the funniest things. Like, I've laughed so hard. They had the sketch done by.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (57:19)

The.

Pat McAfee (57:20)

Guy who does Rick and Morty. So it was like a sketch, like a cartoon sketch that they just played. And God damn, was it funny.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (57:30)

I also think that there's a very big difference between now and then where I think that even that was still early enough. Where when. When. When a guest was a big guest that you liked was on a show you liked.

Pat McAfee (57:47)

Hilarity for Charity is what it was called.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (57:49)

That's right. I remember that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (57:53)

It was, like, still a big deal. And like, the first Time and like, that where it was. So it was like, I want to hear Seth Rogen talk about super bad. Like, never heard that. Right. And now it's like, everyone has done a million podcasts and you've heard a million stories, so it's not as, like, imperative, you know, it's like, now we can talk about something new. Because everyone's already either watched interviews or they follow those accounts that give you all the secrets of superbad and, you know. Yeah, yeah. So a lot of early days I think was like, this is our opportunity to, like, talk to Bert Kreischer about Van Wilder, you know, and it's like, now you would never ask that. It's done. You know what I mean? So at that point, we'd ask Bert.

Pat McAfee (58:27)

Questions that in 10 years, we'd think that'd be stupid asking that question. Correct.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (58:30)

Yeah. Yeah. So I guess it's. I guess the thing is something to learn there is like, try to make content, specifically interviews that are a little more timeless and, like, not of the moment.

Pat McAfee (58:41)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (58:41)

You know, because even that, like we were doing answer the Internet, those hypotheticals were big on the Internet. Looking back on it now, it's like, I don't know. You know what I mean?

Pat McAfee (58:50)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (58:50)

But in the moment, that I think that was a valid, like, thing to try to bring up also. I mean, for me, of course, we can't. We can't do this without talking about Action Bronson, though. But I absolutely still stand by this. 100.

Pat McAfee (59:01)

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Kevin Clancy (KFC) (61:42)

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Pat McAfee (61:43)

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Kevin Clancy (KFC) (61:50)

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Pat McAfee (61:53)

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Kevin Clancy (KFC) (61:57)

Would you send Ghostface out there? Why would we want to send him? Maybe if the aliens are being hostile.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (62:04)

That's fucking ridiculous. Ridiculous, bro. I bet you think that's really cute, right? That you brought that up?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (62:11)

Stupid. I was curious to think to hear your thoughts on on the rest of.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (62:17)

There'S no beef anywhere Pusher And Drake. I don't know about nothing. No. Nope.

Pat McAfee (62:21)

I feel you.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (62:21)

I get that. I don't like beef. Keep your nose clean out of it. I feel you. I keep my nose clean and dirty. I never, I, I never know. I just laughed because I was like, okay, a little more. Nah, I'd like to slam you through.

Pat McAfee (62:32)

A wall right now.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (62:33)

I'm sorry, bro. Other than that, though, but I'm good. I didn't mean disrespect. I wanted to just, I want. I thought you'd get through a nice conversation. Oh, what's this?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (62:43)

I didn't, I just wanted to bring it up in case people, I think it is so crazy for a rapper to not be down to talk about his beef, and that's nuts.

Pat McAfee (62:51)

I, I, I still don't know what their beef is.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (62:54)

Just a rap beef. It's just like his style is very.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (63:00)

Actually play that. I, I've never, I don't think I've seen this part.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (63:04)

Get up in case people want your thoughts on it. I get it. My fault. How you feel. Why did you ask that? Because he's a rapper who's involved in a very public rap battle. Like, out of here. You're not gonna talk about it? I guess I just thought you knew I was kidding with this question.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (63:21)

I promise you. Well, listen, John came out and called me a idiot and blame me. So that's why if you are involved in a very public rap beef, rap fans want to hear about that. And if you are so soft that you can't even talk about it. Doing a lot of talking now that he's not here to throw you through the table.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (63:38)

But even that, I remember thinking, like, I remember thinking, like, I, I don't, I don't, like, I don't want that to happen. Like, it was a, it's a good moment for, like, the fans orever, but I was like, all right, I'm sorry. I didn't, I was not, like, I'm gonna could needle him with this question. Like, that was not the reaction I was looking to elicit. So I, I have no problem being like, all right, I'm sorry. I didn't want to go there. Like, I thought we could talk about it, but, like, cool. Didn't mean to disrespect. But if you really, like, press me on my thoughts. Yeah, I think that's crazy.

Pat McAfee (64:05)

What, what is their, their beef is.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (64:07)

That his style is very reminiscent of, of a rapper from the Wu Tang Clan who's like, did it first and.

Pat McAfee (64:14)

Then do they have Beef.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (64:16)

Yeah. And it's, I don't know, it's sort of like you took his style, you know what I mean? So he doesn't like that, I don't think.

Pat McAfee (64:25)

Yeah. Were they arguing?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (64:27)

Yeah, I think, I think there was like, I don't, it wasn't like, I don't think there's been like, full songs about it, like Kendrick and Drake sort of thing, but I think it's like a reference on a verse or one verse dedicated to him or whatever it may be. But it was like, you know. Yeah, let's see, what are some of the quotes?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (64:47)

Not rapping like this anymore. And that needs something. Yeah. I just know that it's like Raekwon's style and voice and cadence and all that is, is very similar.

Pat McAfee (64:59)

That's just, I don't know.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (65:00)

I, I, I, I think he said something like, the only reason I'm doing this show is because I came here for part of my take. So if you went into an interview being like, all right, I'll, I'll do this one as well.

Pat McAfee (65:09)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (65:10)

But I don't know, I feel like if you, if you were to.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (65:15)

In the rap, if you're talking about rap and you're a rapper, it's like, I think, I don't think I ever saw.

Pat McAfee (65:20)

His tweets about it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (65:21)

Oh, is this, Oh, I don't think I saw this either. Dudes will do anything for clicks and it's sad. The main purpose of me doing any appearances to promote my book. That's it. I have no beef with anybody and try to stir things up for a frat boy for high fives deserves a slam through the wall. That's it. I'm only good vibes. No negativity. Too many important things in life. We don't got much time. I mean, yeah, it's fair. I think it would have just been easier to, to, to.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (65:42)

Oh, they said it was you. What is this? XXL says it was Meitelberg asked the.

Pat McAfee (65:50)

Is this pronoun is double XL is how it's pronounced.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (65:53)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pat McAfee (65:54)

So this is how, you know I wasn't asking questions about Ghost Face.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (65:58)

I remember like, some people just being like, yeah, why the, Like, I, I don't, I think the question of, like, why would you ask that is silly. It's like, I, I think it's a pretty clear. I don't know, like, you could be like, why did you, did you. What did you think it was going to be a better reaction. It's like, I I actually brought something, and he stormed out. He was supposed to meet with Erica, and so candles seem pretty. Yeah.

Pat McAfee (66:20)

I mean, I also didn't know that. Yeah, we were supposed to do a show.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (66:24)

He's, like, working Bronson, I think, wanted to do a podcast with us, and he stormed out. He was supposed to meet with me and Erica after doing something, but he canceled. Seemed pretty thin skinned. Yeah, I mean, like, again, I. I think it's a. You know, you have every right to react however you want. I just think from like, a. It wouldn't have been how I dealt with it.

Pat McAfee (66:40)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (66:41)

It's a lot easier to just be like, yeah, no, I don't have any beef with that guy anymore. Move it on, whatever. But it made for a great moment.

Pat McAfee (66:47)

I actually realized he was gonna work here, and it stopped him from working here.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (66:52)

That was. I think that's when he was at Vice.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (66:56)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pat McAfee (66:57)

I forgot he had this. Delicious.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (66:59)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (66:59)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (67:01)

I. There's a part of me that almost wishes he, like, physically did do something. Yeah. I don't want to, like, actually get beat up, but if you, like, threw me into the wall or something like that, that would be. That would be a truly legendary.

Pat McAfee (67:11)

I remember being like. Because, again, as you can see me sitting here right now, like, I didn't. I still don't really know what the ghost face thing is, so I was just, like. Didn't know it was gonna go that way. I just remember in my head being like, don't. Like, this is between them right now.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (67:25)

Yeah, you were in a tough spot.

Pat McAfee (67:26)

But if this gets physical, it's not gonna be between them anymore.

Pat McAfee (67:32)

I was just, like, just sitting there. I was like, I don't even know what we're talking about, but I know if he comes across this table, we're gonna have to do something as deem here.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (67:40)

That's a fan. That's a friend right there, man. I. But that one, I actually. I don't have a. I don't, like, lose sleep over that one. I, like. I think it's a valid question. The reaction was, whatever. I'm trying to think of a time where I was like, I should not have done that. And I definitely know I have them, but I can't think of off the top of my head. But there are definitely times where I'm like, yeah, that was stupid.

Pat McAfee (67:59)

Or Kathy Griffin. I think about a lot. I think. I think I was unnecessarily argumentative in that interview.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (68:05)

I. I liked that one, though, because I think there's Just so little of that these days. Yeah, it used to be like, you have to go to, if you're like in town, you go to like the morning show that's big in that city, or Howard Stern or like in New York, it's like Hot 97 for rappers and stuff. And it's like, you have to go there even if you're not like, friends with the people. And it's like, but this is the media you have to do now. It's like you go to your friends podcast.

Pat McAfee (68:28)

Right.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (68:28)

So there's no chance for any dissension. Everything's, you know, usually like, you don't ask me about this is on the table beforehand. And I thought that the cabbie Kathy Griffin thing was, you know, I bet if we watch that whole thing back now from like a technical point of view, how we were asking and interviewing, we probably have gotten better. And that was bad, but I don't think there's anything wrong. She was so, she was like, like, not, it's like if you say you want to kill the president and like.

Pat McAfee (68:51)

The president reacts like, that was one. I, I, I felt like I was a good person to ask my questions in that interview because I'm not, I'm, I'm far from a MAGA guy. I'm far from a try. So, like, I felt like I'm on.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (69:04)

Your team and I still thought you're being an.

Pat McAfee (69:05)

This is someone in the locker room asking you questions.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (69:07)

Yeah. So I, she was also pretty condescending.

Pat McAfee (69:10)

About, she was very condon.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (69:11)

I remember her like looking at me saying like, oh, he's fired up, like, winking at me being like, oh, we like got under his skin or something like that. And I was like, I, not you. I remember thinking, if this gets physical, I'm gonna.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (69:24)

I also remember I, I did not like the way when we, the first time we interviewed Shane, we had been very much like, yeah, if you say like, you get fired, like, you get canceled. And then I, I was trying to be like, I do agree with NBC to fire them, but like, I sympathize with that. You're the victim of it. Like, it's affecting you. And I think I did a lot of like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (69:46)

Because I at that point was not confident enough. I think in this thing, I could be like, if it was now, I think I could be like, this sucks, but you understand what happened, right? And instead I was like, I've said in the past this, but I think that it was like a 20 minute question. And I was like, yeah, you're clearly uncomfortable.

Pat McAfee (70:01)

I remember the Shane. Our first Shane interview, and I remember it not being great.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (70:04)

Yeah. Because. Because it also. I think I. I remember I. I did a solo interview with Shane at one point relatively early. We never ended up releasing it because it was kind of awkward, because I remember being like, oh, you. Like, you don't give a. You let it rip. Like, you don't care about, like, getting canceled. You'll say whatever. And he was sort of like, no, no. Like. And I was like, well, but you did, because, like, you said those things. But. And his point was like, I'm not trying to do that. I'm not like a. Like a hot take guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pat McAfee (70:32)

Which. Which, to be fair, got pushed on him a lot.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (70:35)

Politics gets pushed on him. Edge Lord gets pushed on him.

Pat McAfee (70:38)

He's an edge guy. I like telling my jokes. You do what? You take them. You play. You take them. Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (70:43)

But I also think that there's some, like, you have to also accept what comes along with that. So it was sort of like. I remember thinking. I think the real thing was we had been talking about that in general, and I remember, like, Kirk's show was so, like, anybody who's canceled, they're on their side. And it just kind of became a battle of that. And then this. He was, like, representative of that issue. So it was sort of like, I have to maintain this position for, like, the barstool beef and the sides of this argument. But. But with this person and that. That was almost kind of a good, like, reality check. I remember being like, you know, when you're talking about broad issues, it's one thing when you're talking to, like, to the person or to the thing that it happened to, it's different.

Pat McAfee (71:22)

That was also a thing with, like, you know, back when it was a. We were very, very much a Twitter company.

Pat McAfee (71:28)

Like, you got put into, like, teams.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (71:30)

Yeah, right.

Pat McAfee (71:31)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (71:31)

Like.

Pat McAfee (71:32)

Like, you'd be in. Like, you would. You never gonna actively chose to be on this team. But, like, mentions would have you be like, you're.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (71:37)

You're.

Pat McAfee (71:37)

Yeah, you're right. I am aligned with this guy, and I'm gonna keep thinking anything he thinks is right.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (71:41)

That's the real thing is, like, subconscious.

Pat McAfee (71:44)

It's never like, an active decision. And just like, wait, why am I fighting about? Like, I don't even care about.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (71:48)

Well, this is kind of what you said about, like, I wouldn't know how to. To post Nate's roast. You're like, I think I would just retweet it.

Pat McAfee (71:54)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (71:54)

No matter what I said would be.

Pat McAfee (71:56)

Because that's because I wouldn't want people, like, I think it's funny, right? Like, like I laughed at it. I. But like, this is people's, People seen it there.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (72:05)

They will put words in your mouth. Like, this is what John thinking about John.

Pat McAfee (72:08)

He means these words this way, correct? No, I don't. And that is where I'm listening. I had a good time.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (72:13)

I think growth and maturity is knowing, like on the Internet is knowing that that's going to happen and either willfully engaging in it and recognizing that's what's happening or being like, I'm not going to tweet this because I know I'm gonna get put in a camp, you know? And also just the notion of like, you don't have to dig your heels in on everything. You can be like, like I said that at the time. My opinion has changed or the circumstances have changed. Like, I think there was such a fear of flip flopping, at least for me.

Pat McAfee (72:39)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (72:40)

Of like, you know, being hypocritical or something. And it was like, I don't know, it's five years later, I'm like an adult. I had kids or whatever. It's like now I think differently about these things.

Pat McAfee (72:48)

You know, if your opinions don't change, they're probably not very good opinions. I mean, if your opinions are like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (72:55)

Don'T change as you and the world changes, you're like willfully obtuse.

Pat McAfee (73:01)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (73:02)

You're doing it on purpose. I'm trying to think of any others. I know the Matt Walsh interview was terrible, but I don't have a specific.

Pat McAfee (73:08)

That was just bad, just a bad interview.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (73:09)

I think he wanted no part of that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (73:13)

We definitely had some clunker interviews, but some, you know, I mean, I, I, I like in those instances, usually I'm like, that guy was not playing ball or they weren't into it very largely.

Pat McAfee (73:23)

Over the last 10 years. Like, as far as like bad interviews, I'm sure we had ones that just weren't great to listen to. Weren't, didn't have the most chemistry and all that. But like, bad interviews, I don't think we had many.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (73:35)

Do you remember? We'll bleep his name. Do you remember Hannah Dickinson? No. Yeah.

Pat McAfee (73:38)

Okay.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (73:39)

Well, she, it was just like the worst.

Pat McAfee (73:41)

Remember guys, we, that we talk about.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (73:43)

Yeah, guys, Guys, we was, was a, was a bad one. That was, that was, that was a tough scene. That was ugly. But again, I don't think. Do you remember like, what we did or said. I don't think it was really.

Pat McAfee (73:55)

No, I don't remember. I. I honestly don't remember. I. I remember always with them. I forget their names, but one of.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (74:02)

Them got along with Christina, Christine.

Pat McAfee (74:04)

I remember having, like, good chemistry.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (74:06)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (74:07)

Great stuff. And I think Corinne came on. I think they both came on the show, and I think Corinne just kind of. It's probably our third or fourth time interviewing them. And. And, you know, I. I had felt disrespected by Corinne quite often when we talked to her.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (74:22)

Yeah, it was very condescending. And I think she. She also. I mean, this is. I guess this is what I was just asking for, so I. I gotta shut up. Like, well, you want some dissension and differing opinions and stuff, but that's a girl. Probably. She didn't want to be there.

Pat McAfee (74:35)

She. That was it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (74:36)

It wasn't even.

Pat McAfee (74:36)

It wasn't even condescension. It was. Every time I talked to her, I was like, you don't even want to be here, so why are you here?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (74:41)

Right?

Pat McAfee (74:42)

And that was. That was Kathy Griffin when she was like, why don't I have to listen to you? You're just a sports jockey with everything. I was like, yeah, you came. Yeah, I didn't ask you to be.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (74:49)

That was good. I remember that. I remember that.

Pat McAfee (74:51)

I. I wasn't like, I gotta have Kathy Griffin in the hot seat. I wasn't like, I need Corinne from guys. We in the hot seat.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (74:57)

And that.

Pat McAfee (74:58)

That annoyed me sometimes.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (75:00)

Not.

Pat McAfee (75:00)

Not often, but occasionally.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (75:02)

Yeah. I mean, they were, you know, a female podcast, I think I would say, at least she is, like, feminist. And this is at the peak of probably Barstool's Renegade. And I think she probably was not a Barstool fan, but was coming to Barstool, and I think that was. Was apparent, you know. Yeah. And I'm sure the way we engaged, it was, like, not great for her, but that. That was for sure, awkward. There's definitely some more. I. I really do pride myself, though. The. The best compliments I ever have gotten or the best comments I really love to get the most were afterwards. And this happened quite often was people will be like, that interview was fun, or like, that was so much better than, like, what I have to go do or what I just did. Oh, that one was easy. I'd love to.

Pat McAfee (75:46)

Michael Che was. I remember that one as one of the greatest comments we ever got. Michael Che, like, never does podcasts.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (75:51)

We, like, opened up his eyes to the podcast world. He was like, oh, I didn't know it could be like this.

Pat McAfee (75:55)

We finished it. He's like, is this what a podcast is? That was fun as.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (76:00)

And even right up, like, Michael J.

Pat McAfee (76:02)

Thinks I'm fun. The head writer at SNL thinks I'm fun.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (76:05)

Yeah, that was a big one. That. And right up to Tom Pelfrey, though. I mean, he was like, oh, I could do this, like, forever. Which is funny because, again, I don't think I would actually say the one. The one thing I really regret about interviews is I don't think I did enough prep. And I used to kind of say that. Remember, Larry King used to always say, I don't read the book.

Pat McAfee (76:26)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (76:27)

My guests. Because I want to be in the same mindset as the audience who hasn't read it yet. And I think that's just a cop out. You just don't want to do these, don't want to do the research. And on the one hand, I do think it makes it a very natural interview when you're kind of. If you're like, and what about this part? And what about this part? And what about. I feel like that's a little weird. It's like a book report almost.

Pat McAfee (76:44)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (76:44)

But then I remember, like, with Charlie Sheen, I did read the book, and I was able to bring up specifics, and he was so grateful for that. It made him more engaged. And then gave. He gave more. And it was like, oh, that's. That's why you do it. Not necessarily to be able to get the answer. It's like by asking those questions, it changes the dynamic of the show, you know?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (77:04)

And what do you think the best is? You have any moments that. Where you're like, that was not even necessarily our best guess, but just like, we. We, like, really did a good job with that. And like.

Pat McAfee (77:16)

I don't know.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (77:17)

I guess I would say I don't remember this in the moment, but I. I would have to say that our interview with Bert because of how much it opened up.

Pat McAfee (77:25)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (77:25)

He ain't doing that with people. That it didn't go well. You know what I mean? He ain't taking us to answer.

Pat McAfee (77:29)

I guess the answer to that would be like, any comedian, any of the comics. The. We definitely.

Pat McAfee (77:36)

Gravitated towards or. Or, you know, we had some kind of connection with comedians. I don't know how it came about, but. But for some reason, we did. We got comedians. Comedians got us. So I. I think most of the.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (77:47)

Time I'm very proud about that. That that would be what I'm Most proud of. Of the show is, like, I think there were some comics that we, like, probably really helped put on. I think there were some comics who were already on and we helped popularize.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (78:02)

And, like, I. I get enough people saying, like, oh, you open my eyes to xyz, and you were my introduction to this guy, and I think that's pretty cool.

Pat McAfee (78:11)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (78:12)

Like, yeah, we put you on to some people who are, like, now the most, like, influential and popular people out there. So I take. I take that with. I think that's a. I would hope that would be, like, the lasting legacy of kfc.

Pat McAfee (78:24)

And I think we very rarely, occasionally, but very rarely had bad comedians on. Like, even.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (78:30)

Even if they were smaller and anyone.

Pat McAfee (78:32)

We had on was a funny person.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (78:34)

It was either people who went on to blow up or has gone on to be the people they say, like, that guy should be.

Pat McAfee (78:40)

Like, yeah, whatever.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (78:41)

Reason didn't. But, like, we had a good. No.

Pat McAfee (78:44)

Bad advice when it came to comedy.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (78:46)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (78:47)

Very, very rare.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (78:48)

Yeah. I'm trying to even think if there was anybody that was like, yeah, that guy ain't gonna make it.

Pat McAfee (78:51)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (78:54)

What else? Anything else on there? Oh, let's. Let's go. What would you say is the moment that we most clashed or disagreed? Because I know. I have an answer. I have the exact moment.

Pat McAfee (79:07)

I have an answer, too.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (79:07)

What's yours?

Pat McAfee (79:10)

The Yay album. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (79:12)

That was good. That was more of, like, a real argument and debate.

Pat McAfee (79:16)

And we just went circular for, like, an hour.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (79:19)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (79:19)

And it was like, I'm just saying, I think Kanye's smart. And you're going, I just think the music's not good. And I go, I know, I know. But I just think he's smart. Yeah, I know.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (79:26)

I know.

Pat McAfee (79:26)

But I just think it's not good.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (79:29)

But that was also on when he was like, I. I'm. I'm Steve Jobs of Walter.

Pat McAfee (79:33)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (79:33)

And it was like, I. I forget. I almost have come the other way on that. Like, he's a Nazi and an. But, like, a lot of the. Like, a lot of fashion really is, like, all him. And a lot. I think that's what I was saying was that, like, you were saying that, like, fashion and culture. Yeah. And I think my point was sort of like, you know, the iPhone, like, literally changed the world.

Pat McAfee (79:50)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (79:50)

And, like, this is like, a fashion trend that he. He started. But this is when we disagreed the most. The great Denver Soup debate.

Pat McAfee (79:58)

Okay.

Pat McAfee (80:05)

So today I was. I was laying low. We got a show tonight. I was just like, Napping. I was going to consider working out and sweating it out, but I just don't even have the energy for that. And the whole gang goes to lunch. There's a group taxes. Hey, let's go get lunch here. I was like, look, I'm not going to make it. I think I texted you. I was like, can you grab me a sandwich?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (80:20)

And Kevin says, yeah, absolutely.

Pat McAfee (80:22)

So Kevin says, there's chili on the menu too. And I went, oh, dope, dope. Let me get a French dip sandwich. And you know what? Throwing a chili too. But then, because I'm sick, I noticed chicken style chicken soup on the menu. And I went, you know what? Make it a chicken soup instead.

Pat McAfee (80:36)

And this dropped the French dip sandwich and brought me back to soup.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (80:44)

In addition to. Or just the soup.

Pat McAfee (80:46)

I. I meant, like.

Pat McAfee (80:49)

This is not on me. I've texted, I've texted multiple people being like, I'm not the crazy one here, right? And everyone's like, no, he's a lunatic.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (80:58)

I want to be clear about something.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (81:02)

Two hours later, French dip sandwich. Now.

Pat McAfee (81:05)

Yeah, I love a French dip sandwich.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (81:07)

You know, I wish you had it in addition to.

Pat McAfee (81:11)

I mean, this is gonna be a big point of contention because it is.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (81:14)

It is, it is a situation where I'm right.

Pat McAfee (81:18)

Yeah. But before we do that, I just want to say one more thing. My order at the time was a French sandwich, so I didn't want it in addition to.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (81:26)

I just recently. I fucking. I hope that I didn't, like, throw it out or I hope I can go find it again. I made a shirt that said something like just soup. And like in the back said like, in addition to. Or something like that. It's a black shirt with white writing that says like, just soup on it.

Pat McAfee (81:45)

I'd have to see the text exchanges to have a real opinion on this.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (81:48)

This.

Pat McAfee (81:48)

But if someone's going, you know what, throw in a chicken soup. You drop the chili. No, no, you bring the sandwich back. We're gonna do it again.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (81:56)

If you said like a French dip with chili, and then you were like, ah, I'm actually feeling kind of sick. Like, just soup.

Pat McAfee (82:03)

I. I get.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (82:04)

I don't know.

Pat McAfee (82:06)

You can be right. There are words.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (82:07)

I think it was the just that got me.

Pat McAfee (82:11)

If I said.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (82:11)

Because if you take that phrase literally, just soup. But I'm bringing just soup.

Pat McAfee (82:14)

But if you. But you brought me soup and chili.

Pat McAfee (82:19)

That was the. According to that clip.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (82:21)

Yeah, that might be the problem.

Pat McAfee (82:23)

I was like, why do I have two soups here? But that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (82:26)

I also that with me, I would not call chili a soup.

Pat McAfee (82:29)

No, but it's. It's closer to a soup than anything else.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (82:31)

That is true. But it was some sort of debate about, like, well, the chili and the soup are obviously like the. The this thing and like, those are two different things to me. Yeah. If I brought you just the soup, I would stand by me. If I brought you both, it'd be like, why would you swap out one and not the other?

Pat McAfee (82:47)

Yeah, yeah.

Pat McAfee (82:49)

I'll bring him two liquified meals.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (82:51)

I also think there might have been, like a. I. I remember we got a lot of chili, and I sort of was like, all right, we'll just like, bring all this back. You know what I mean? I don't know if I order you.

Pat McAfee (82:59)

A specific one.

Pat McAfee (83:02)

In addition to just. In addition to just.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (83:07)

Very good.

Pat McAfee (83:08)

What.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (83:08)

What is this?

Pat McAfee (83:09)

You guys also really disagreed on probably the most peanut, the squirrel.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (83:12)

Oh, this one I still stand by.

Pat McAfee (83:15)

I don't even remember.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (83:16)

I definitely stabbed by this. You think that people should be able to just barge into people's houses and kill their pets because, you know they're. A squirrel.

Pat McAfee (83:24)

What was it?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (83:25)

Somebody bars squirrel. I've.

Pat McAfee (83:27)

I've heard about this a little bit. I. What I understand it makes. It all makes a pretty good deal of sense.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (83:35)

I remember that you smoked this.

Pat McAfee (83:37)

This one took you a while.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (83:38)

I remember being like, but I don't think there was any.

Pat McAfee (83:40)

But you got to investigate it.

Pat McAfee (83:48)

You can't just run up on someone.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (83:51)

Squirrel is.

Pat McAfee (83:52)

Has a job. The squirrel provides.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (83:55)

The squirrel is probably cleaner than most human. You're acting like it's just a regular squirrel, dude.

Pat McAfee (83:59)

You're acting like it's the president.

Pat McAfee (84:04)

This squirrel, it is a random squirrel, man. It just has an Instagram account. It's a random squirrel. And that's so much money.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (84:11)

This is like a famous animal. Doesn't matter that it's a squirrel or a dog or whatever it is. It's a important. I can't tell if we're even having.

Pat McAfee (84:19)

A serious discussion right now. What's happening?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (84:22)

This is the president of the squirrels. This is the most important president in the world.

Pat McAfee (84:26)

He's got an Instagram. This is the most important squirrel. True.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (84:31)

True or false. Is the most important squirrel on the planet. But if you.

Pat McAfee (84:34)

I don't know. I've heard about the squirrel 10 minutes ago. I don't want to.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (84:38)

Can you name. Name. Can you name me one other squirrel?

Pat McAfee (84:44)

Most important squirrel in the world today.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (84:49)

I hope you guys get shot by.

Pat McAfee (84:54)

Hope you guys get shot by cops. Tell you what, man, this is a funny podcast.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (85:02)

We had a good run for a reason, man.

Pat McAfee (85:05)

But now I'm raised my hand and stay on my side. That it was that squirrel bit a cop. And then they had to find out if it had rabies. And the only way to find out if it has rabies is to kill it and check its brain.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (85:17)

Because it just ran up in their house for no fucking reason.

Pat McAfee (85:21)

It was because they couldn't have squirrels.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (85:27)

I hope that a cop just runs up in your house and then someone's like, we gotta kill John.

Pat McAfee (85:31)

It was. They had a bunch of illegal pets and the neighbors kept complaining about it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (85:35)

They had one, One squirrel who was famous. There was some neighbors hating on him. They said, go investigate it. Then you with the squirrel and it. It protects itself. And then we have to kill it for you because you created a problem that didn't even need to exist in the first place.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (85:51)

Took away that whole family's income.

Pat McAfee (85:52)

Yeah, I think I'm remembering you said they also did only fans at the time. So I think. I think they're okay.

Pat McAfee (85:59)

Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (86:00)

I think it was like. It was like, check out our cute people.

Pat McAfee (86:02)

We got a bunch of snakes and a bunch of squirrels and we each other. You're like. You're like, these are good fear. Like, these are good Americans right here.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (86:08)

I was, I was about to say, what's more American, the American dream. I. I live in freedom. I can do some wacky if I want, and I make a living from it. That's the American world you want to.

Pat McAfee (86:18)

Grow up in, John. They can just open your trailer and attack your squirrel.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (86:24)

You think that cops should be able to just roll in and with your pets in your porn operation, you should be able to own pets and have porn freely. America, man.

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Kevin Clancy (KFC) (88:48)

There are a few moments that made me laugh the hardest. Jimmy the chalamet is one of them. Come in your hand is another one. We'll play that in in the coming days. I think this is the most fun I've ever had.

Pat McAfee (89:01)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:01)

In the studio you already know what it is. Yeah. This is a showing.

Pat McAfee (89:04)

Burn our balls. But just to be clear, if you're.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:08)

Listening, Bird is not on. Oh, did you see the top though? Okay. I didn't realize.

Pat McAfee (89:11)

No, I didn't see anything.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:12)

So John just saw like what he was wearing and what I was wearing, what we were doing. Doing. And he immediately knew that this is the time that Bert Kreischer. We all showed each other our balls.

Pat McAfee (89:19)

100 this. I. I didn't see anything. I just saw this picture and I.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:22)

Went, this is when we showed burn our balls. I think this is my favorite moment. I wouldn't have said this was a day.

Pat McAfee (89:26)

This was maybe my worst day on the podcast.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:28)

What do you mean?

Pat McAfee (89:29)

Not prepared tight balls that day. Oh.

Pat McAfee (89:34)

Like you. This is your performance.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:35)

I guess so it is your problems.

Pat McAfee (89:37)

The whole time I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, my balls are pretty tight right now.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:40)

Well, because that was the thing we were talking about, how long your balls are.

Pat McAfee (89:42)

Yeah, I got long ass balls. But they.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:43)

What was it?

Pat McAfee (89:44)

They're temperature based.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:45)

They are temperature based. It's like, you know, it's like one of those old school thermometers. Up and down based on the temperature.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (89:52)

Yeah. Was Bert balls. Weren't we? I think Tom said something like, bert has the longest balls.

Pat McAfee (90:01)

No.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (90:01)

And I was like, nah, we got you beat.

Pat McAfee (90:03)

I think you're right.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (90:03)

Yeah. He had shown his balls to somebody in a plane. Right. He said he was walking backwards down the aisle of a plane like this.

Pat McAfee (90:10)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (90:10)

Somebody saw his balls and he was like, got the longest balls of all time.

Pat McAfee (90:13)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (90:14)

And I. I think both of us were like, we might got you beat. And so then we. Then we had to do it.

Pat McAfee (90:19)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (90:23)

Oh, this? Yeah. Rewind just like 10 seconds. Because this was. This was so funny and professional by Bert. He was like, I'll do it, but we need verbal confirmation. This is in the me too era. He's like, I'm not getting canceled for this.

Pat McAfee (90:35)

I don't want to. I don't want to ask you, is it okay to see me naked? You have to say out loud, bert, I really want to see you naked.

Pat McAfee (90:44)

He's being dead serious, right?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (90:45)

I really want to see you naked.

Pat McAfee (90:47)

Bert, I really want to see you naked. Bert, I really want to see you naked.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (90:51)

Bert, I really want to see you naked.

Pat McAfee (90:56)

See, he's fluffing them. But my hands were so cold, I couldn't fluff. Made him colder. Mine are like, I'm.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:02)

Oh, hang on. It's like.

Pat McAfee (91:05)

I'm having a good ball day. I look like I'm jerking off. Good ball looks like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:11)

Okay.

Pat McAfee (91:12)

Good ball.

Pat McAfee (91:15)

They are so.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:16)

They are so long.

Pat McAfee (91:17)

The Bert had really long balls. You literally like.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:21)

Like a kitten. Like a kitten pawing a toys.

Pat McAfee (91:24)

I'm so embarrassing.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:26)

This is. This is.

Pat McAfee (91:27)

My balls are.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:28)

I love that we've just decided to do this from behind. Yeah.

Pat McAfee (91:32)

You could easily do this in the front.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:33)

I don't know why need to be involved too.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:38)

And we're going to do this on camera.

Pat McAfee (91:40)

Yeah, why not?

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:45)

Spread my legs.

Pat McAfee (91:48)

Bend over. Boy.

Pat McAfee (91:53)

I got long balls.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (91:54)

I mean, I knew it.

Pat McAfee (91:59)

All right, come around.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (92:03)

This is the pinnacle of the show.

Pat McAfee (92:06)

Don't get a long ball.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (92:09)

You were so tight.

Pat McAfee (92:10)

Literally about it. Dude, I'm, I'm uncomfortable watching it just because I knew I didn't perform well.

Pat McAfee (92:19)

What is that move? Cuz he had been saying paw. Adam. So I think I pawn Adam.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (92:26)

That is. Okay.

Pat McAfee (92:28)

Okay, wait.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (92:29)

That's my favorite moment ever. Truly. But what might be my new favorite moment ever is knowing that you feel away about this because your balls were too tight.

Pat McAfee (92:38)

I didn't perform.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (92:39)

But, yeah, I mean, it sounds like a guy who's like, I blew game seven in the World Series. I didn't perform that night.

Pat McAfee (92:44)

But it's just about the temperature of your ball sack. Yeah. Like, I'm, I, I was heartbroken after that because I. I'll say.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (92:51)

Talked up a big game. We got a lot of balls.

Pat McAfee (92:52)

I still believe I had the longest balls in the room. I still believe that.

Pat McAfee (92:57)

I got the longest balls in the longest balls in that room. And they just. They weren't there. They're a fickle beast. My balls. They're all balls.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (93:05)

That's the thing. I, I still, to this day, it's. It's crazy how when they can be tight, they're like up in your. And then they can be grandfather clock between your legs, man.

Pat McAfee (93:16)

Bouncing around my ankles.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (93:17)

The funniest I, I do really get a kick out of during sex if when they're swanging and you're either like, you're either banging on some girl's doorbell or you're hitting on her back door.

Pat McAfee (93:27)

If you're doing it right.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (93:28)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (93:28)

In both. Like one of those boats at King Richard's.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (93:33)

Who.

Pat McAfee (93:41)

Great performance. Get that feeling in your tummy.

Pat McAfee (93:45)

That.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (93:46)

Was such, like, wholesome. I don't want to say. I don't want to be sexist here. A lot of great female podcasts out there. Women have really taken over the space as well. But like in the beginning when it was just like bros doing their thing, that was the pinnacle of that for me. That was just like, yeah, yeah, we heard the story about your balls. Now we're talking about. We're gonna show each other. We. I mean, the laughing and the fun, it was like, just pure fun in that moment. That was absolutely awesome. We're gonna wrap up here. The only thing I did want to shout out is I got a text from Steve Peralt the other day. Oh. See, Peralt used to work for KFC Radio.

Pat McAfee (94:19)

Steve, probably for KFC Radio. Yep.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (94:21)

I guess maybe more so mail time. But also, he did, like, the voicemails, and he would, like, upload it, do, like, a little bit of the editing.

Pat McAfee (94:27)

The guy do that.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (94:28)

Exactly. And so that was my point. Steve Peral. We had Connor the Mick was a OG guy. Charlie Whiscoe was a big one. Of course. Yeah. I think there's a couple other people that, like, my brother and we've mentioned before, it's like, Nick Hamilton, Noah, Tommy Lay, Logan, these guys. Like, a lot of producers have come through here, but there was a couple other, like, unsung heroes. And actually, so Steve texted me and I. And it jogged my memory because I had forgotten as well. And I was like, oh, yeah, Steve. And if you're not familiar, Steve does section 10 with Karabas and. And works for, I think, like, Underdog and. And did, like, more baseball stuff. And so I was like, oh, I forgot about that. Let me. Let me. Like, I went back to my email and I searched his name to just see, like, what our interactions were. And the last email we had was me being such a dramatic. Like, there was a day that they didn't get the podcast up on time, and I was like, this is unacceptable. I mean, they were wrong. They didn't get the podcast up, but I was just like, this is unacceptable. Like, we're trying to grow something here, and there's so much competition and we gotta, like, be on the. Get on our ball. On the ball, be on our game. And I was just like, oh, that sucks. Like, I'm sure. And that was the last email we had. So I'm sure, like, ended after that. So I don't know if it ended on bad terms or if Steve was like this. I'm out. I think I was paying them, like, you know, a couple hundred bucks a month, if that. I don't even know. They might have been working for free, but, like, Connor the Mick used to go through all the voicemails. Charlie Whisco did. Did everything for us. Steve was a big part of it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (95:47)

I even got an email from this guy dm, from this guy Brendan, who was just, like, a fan, and he was like, congrats on everything. I don't know if you remember. I Sent you like a couple sheets of like, what I think you should, like, unsolicited advice of just like strategy and where to take the show, what, what, what trajectory to take and all that. And I, I don't think we ever even ended up doing that. But there's just like a lot of people who like, offered help. Oh. Like Clem, like filled in when I went on like my honeymoon. And like there was this guy, St. Brendan. Yeah, he was kind of weird. It didn't work out. There's just like a lot of people along the way that I, in hindsight I feel bad about. There was just like, I didn't have enough money personally to like break some people off. It wasn't my income, wasn't coming in where we could be like, you get a chunk of this. It was all, it was all these stages of just growing a free podcast that either employees, interns, part time employees, or just some fans like, offered help and, and were a part of it that, you know, probably was grunt work that I would have never done. Yeah. And so, like, maybe that would have been a roadblock where I was like, we're just not going to do this. I don't want to go through all these voicemails.

Pat McAfee (96:53)

It's like Dave with Bar, he's like, I was never going to put it as a website until that guy moved away. And I forget the exact story, but something like a guy moved away and was like, I'll do a website for free y. If you put it on. Just. And Dave was like, fine, I'll do it.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (97:06)

Ian. Ian Short or something that.

Pat McAfee (97:08)

Oh yeah, he kind of came back into the fold a little bit.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (97:10)

He's a million, A multi millionaire. He like did that for somebody else.

Pat McAfee (97:13)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (97:13)

Like. Yeah. And those are the things that you realize that like, you need a little bit of help along the way. You need a bit of little bit of luck. You need somebody who is just like a die hard fan or in the moment needed a reference on their resume. So they needed some work or a couple bucks or whatever it is. So, you know, there is, there's a lot of people from Jackie and Pavs down to my brother and all the actual producers. But there are also some people that were just along the way who just made it like a little bit easier or opened a door or. You know, I used to. Connor the Mick did the voicemails for a long time and that was something I don't think anybody else was gonna do. And he was, I, I think I was very upfront. I Was like, I cannot pay you and I can't guarantee any sort of job after this. And he was like, still down to do it. So thank you to all those people that were, that were, you know, made it possible. And I'll leave, We'll leave one dm. I want to read this again. This guy was a little bit more of Mail Time. If you're not familiar with that, that was a podcast I was doing, like individually when KFC Radio was going up. And this was. His name was the Ball is Orange. And he was a great. He would write great reader emails, like, really well written and always like a funny thought starter and hypothetical. And he was a Cube monkey and was listening to Mail Time when that was the big focus was like, you're stuck in your job and like, here's how we're gonna get through it. And he said, he wrote me a DM the other day and we hadn't talked for years. This is a guy I kept up with. But then we fell off. So KFC Radio is the reason I barely listen to music, which I thought was a cool, a cool way to put it, because I always feel that, that push, pull. I'm like, I want to listen to some music, but I, I want to hear that new podcast. Yeah, or sports radio or whatever. From the time you guys started all those years ago, I realized I want to listen. All I want to do is listen to podcasts. I barely even listen to music. I just want to hear people talk about things they care about. Between you guys and Bill Simmons, podcasting opened up to a whole. A whole world of curiosity to me. Mail Time came along and you called me Cube Monkey zero For a while there, there. It inspired me to leave the Cube and become a teacher. This is my 8th year teaching and leaving that cubicle to do something I care about and truly enjoy was the best decision I ever made. Without KFC Radio and Mail Time, I might still be in the Cube hating that life. So thank you guys for everything. I truly wouldn't be who I am if not for you guys. Screwing around and listening to deranged faced voicemails about microwaving infants. Good luck with whatever's next. Sincerely, the Ball is Orange and I. It was one of those, like, corny moments when I was like, if you could tell me that there's even one person who left a life of misery and got a job, you know, maybe sacrifice some money or moved or whatever it is and have a happier, better life. And it was, you know, somehow inspired by what we were Saying you're doing, I think is a. Is a cool legacy to have.

Pat McAfee (99:46)

Legacy. Exact word I was gonna use.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (99:48)

Yeah. The fact that there's one dude out there who like, when it's when he's on his deathbed was like, I actually had a really great Life teaching for 40 years. And it's all because like these three guys, four guys. One guy, whoever was at the time, whatever show you listen to, it's like time were was told me to do it and I did it. It's a pretty cool one. So thank you to everybody who helped in some way. Thank you to everybody who, like, contributed. And if there's anybody out there that.

Pat McAfee (100:10)

We hope you take all of our advice.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (100:12)

I was gonna say that's an instance where our advice helped, but I. I hope you don't take all of our advice because I'm sure there would be some bad things in there. But. Yeah, so we do have Dan coming up on It'll be next episode.

Pat McAfee (100:26)

Yeah, Next episode.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (100:26)

It'll be next episode.

Pat McAfee (100:27)

Yeah.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (100:27)

Yeah. So next episode will be with Dan. So we want some voicemails to do like an old school episode with him. So we haven't done those in probably a couple years now. But if you remember, go to the KFC radio, Twitter or Instagram, there's a link in the bio for the video submissions. And you can leave us, you know, leave us some old school questions, new school questions, hypotheticals, whatever you want. We'll try to put a few together and we'll do an old school big cat fighter, bird, KFC radio episode before we wrap this thing up for good. So Dan on KFC Radio next week. See you then.

Kevin Clancy (KFC) (101:22)

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Kevin Clancy (KFC) (101:51)

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Kevin Clancy (KFC) (102:17)

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