We React to Dave Portnoy Taking Us Off Barstool's First Class List - FULL EPISODE

Summary

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KFC Radio — "We React to Dave Portnoy Taking Us Off Barstool's First Class List"

Hosts: Kevin Clancy (KFC) & John Feitelberg (Feits)
Date: October 14, 2025

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode is a quintessential KFC Radio barstool hangout—snappy, chaotic, and wide-ranging, with KFC and Feits joined by Jackie and others. The main narrative centers on the hosts reacting to Barstool founder Dave Portnoy publicly removing them from the company's sought-after "first class flight list." The episode spirals outward from that moment: they trade blame, unpack Barstool office politics, riff on status symbols, swap travel inconveniences, and detour into hilarious personal anecdotes—including Feits’ disastrous food poisoning at Julian Edelman's house, classic dumb revelations, and an escalating debate on morality, fame, and cancel culture.

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MAIN THEME

Barstool’s First Class List Fallout:
KFC and Feits react to being taken off Barstool’s internal “first class travel list” after a staffer’s public complaints caused Dave Portnoy to audit and cull the list. They break down who is really to blame, what Barstool culture rewards, and why this trivial-sounding perk means more than just who sits where on a plane.

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KEY SEGMENTS & DISCUSSION POINTS

I. Origin of the First Class List Drama

Starts at 01:23

• The drama starts with Sass (from another Barstool show) complaining on a podcast that he’s not on Barstool’s "first class list."
• KFC and Feits debate if talking about perks publicly is a rookie mistake.
• Feits confesses he may have unwittingly fueled Sass’s complaints by telling him to "run it up the flagpole."
• KFC: “The problem with Sass is he’s not like a Barstool freak… he’s not embedded in the culture.” (04:11)
• Feits: “I obviously had no idea how exclusive the list was… I just showed up at the airport, my ticket said first class.” (03:46)

II. Why the First Class List Even Exists

Starts at 05:00

• The “first class” perk was created years ago to address complaints from top talent, especially after Brianna Chickenfry posted about flying coach.
• It’s a mix of contracts, favorites, and management discretion.
• KFC: “It’s probably one of the more superfluous expenses in the world… an extra like $1700 for a chair.” (06:18)
• For some it’s status (“I’m not respected at work”), for others it’s sheer comfort.

III. The Emotional Fallout: Status, Respect, and Barstool Culture

Starts at 06:40

• Losing “first class” stings more as a status hit than an actual loss of comfort.
• KFC: “Not making the list… it’s like, oh, I’m not doing good enough to be on…” (06:40)
• Internal lists—flight, hotel suite, “club cool”—are as much about clout and favor as practical need.

IV. How the List Got Audited and the Aftermath

Starts at 10:22

• Dave Portnoy reads the names of who’s in and who’s out on stream.
• KFC/Feits break down how this becomes an HR/contract issue—and why, at Barstool, “it’s always content.”
• Office politics: “If you ever catch some business people flying [first class], you’re gonna go ballistic.” (10:29)
• KFC: “Better to shut the fuck up, get in your seat, deal with it.” (10:48)

Memorable Quote:
Feits: “If I wanted to work at a company that respected me, I’d have been gone a long time ago.” (16:15)

V. The Hotel Suites List & Barstool Status Games

Starts at 17:02

• Jackie introduces the “hotel suite” list, which the group agrees is even more exclusive.
• Jackie's observation: “I know that, like, I have witnessed certain things… I’m not gonna say anymore.” (17:14)

VI. More Petty Grievances and Status Hierarchies

Starts at 23:11

• KFC and Feits mock how the “first class” saga will pit employees, shows, and departments against one another.
• Joke: “First class list is the new club cool.” (24:09)
• The underlying message: At Barstool, perks are fluid and always subject to being revoked—especially if they become public discourse.

VII. Hilarious Tangents: Food Poisoning & Embarrassing Stories

Starts at 28:43

• Feits describes his raw-fish-induced night of vomiting in LA and nearly shitting his pants in Julian Edelman’s house.
• Stand-out moment: Detailed retelling of a bathroom emergency immediately after podcasting with Edelman.
  Feits: “The moment I started peeing, like, every orifice in my body was like, he’s opened up!” (33:44)

VIII. “How Dumb Are We?” — Learning, Fossil Fuels & Dinosaurs

Starts at 41:50 and 43:03

• KFC recounts Feits’ belief that fossil fuels come from “melted dinosaur bones.”
• Group debates if we even really know what dinosaurs looked like or how paleontological reconstructions go askew.
• Jackie: “The bones are notoriously, like, the one part that doesn’t decompose… that’s why we keep finding them.” (46:11)

IX. Cancel Culture, “Nice Guys,” and Authenticity in Fame

Starts at 70:02 and 83:00

• Extended discussion on why public figures get “canceled”—ranging from Ellen DeGeneres to the streamer Hasan Piker and Taylor Swift.
• KFC: “It’s the difference between public and private. If that’s too great, then people are like, yeah, you’re a fraud.” (72:27)
• They debate the accuracy of “nice guys finish last” and the importance of authenticity over performative niceness or meanness.

X. Wealth, Greed, and When Enough is Enough

Starts at 100:24

• Riff on the insatiability of wealth by celebrities and OnlyFans stars and whether there is such a thing as “enough.”
• “I want a lot, but I would draw the line. And I think there’s other people who just keep going no matter what.” (103:06, KFC)

XI. Saudi Arabia, Comedy and Sportswashing

Starts at 105:05

• The ethics of taking gigs or promotional money from “problematic” regimes like Saudi Arabia.
• Nuanced arguments about intent, opportunity, and the line between art and complicity.

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• Feits: “I was laying in bed, with a bunch of ice on my dick and... hips. My hips hurt… in an hour and a half, I have to get on a Southwest flight to Nashville and then LA. I was like, this was the dumbest idea I’ve ever had.” (09:01)
• KFC: “The reason I hate Sass is because he’s shone a light on—I’m not respected at work.” (16:24)
• Jackie: “The biggest pretzel you’re ever going to see in your entire life… I was picturing a much bigger pretzel.” (121:01)
• Feits (on food): “I am full blown autistic when it comes to food. I get so obsessed with things and eat them.” (125:19)
• KFC (on company culture): “Better to shut the f*** up, get in your seat, deal with it.” (10:48)
• Feits (on first class status): “If I wanted to work at a company that respected me, I’d have been gone a long time ago.” (16:15)

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TIMESTAMPED SEGMENT GUIDE

• 01:23 — Introduction to first class list incident; origins of Barstool’s perk culture
• 03:13 — Feits admits role in encouraging Sass
• 05:27 — How the first class list began, and who historically decided it
• 10:22 — Dave reads the First Class List aloud; reactions; fallout
• 17:02 — The (even more elite) Hotel Suite List
• 23:11 — Predicting future Barstool status drama and social dynamics
• 28:43 — Feits’ food poisoning / Edelman’s house debacle
• 41:50 — Jackie returns from the BFF tour; fossil fuels and dumb science beliefs
• 46:11 — Do we really know what dinosaurs looked like?
• 70:02 — Discussion: Internet expertise, accountability, cancel culture
• 83:00 — Jackie’s dog shock collar story, has the culture course-corrected on kindness?
• 100:24 — Wealth, fame, and when’s enough enough?
• 105:05 — The Saudi Arabia question: sports/comedy/gigs as “soft power”
• 119:28 — Feits orders a mayo and mustard hot dog at the Rangers game
• 125:19 — Ritz crackers; food obsessions confessionals
• 128:27 — What is a ribeye? Learning about meat cuts

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OVERALL TONE & TAKEAWAYS

Classic KFC Radio: “Barstool inside baseball” drama, self-deprecating banter, plenty of digressions, and a healthy balance between irreverence and sincerity. KFC and Feits unpack privilege, performance, and respect in modern media workplaces, with just as much time spent on bodily mishaps and food hot takes. Office hierarchies—first class seats, hotel lists, production contracts—are explored not just as perks but as existential signals of status and worth inside Barstool.

In the end, both hosts lean into the chaos and inevitability of being content at Barstool:
“First class list is the new club cool… these are things I’m involved in very negatively.” (24:41, Feits)

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FOR NEW LISTENERS

• You don’t need to know the deeper Barstool ecosystem to appreciate the universal themes—perks won, perks lost, the shifting meaning of “success.”
• Expect gritty personal stories, surprising expertise, and the classic KFC Radio “why are we like this?” energy.
• Skip ahead to the time-stamped moments that most interest you—whether that’s cringe workplace politics, gross-out food stories, or existential musings on morality and authenticity.

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Transcript

[Kevin Clancy]

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[John Feits]

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[Kevin Clancy]

It's another edition of KFC Radio on the Barstool Sports network. Happy to have everybody back in their in their seats. The economy seats that we're all in. I first class gate.

[John Feits]

A confession. This is roughly 100 my fault.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, okay. So let me, let me set the stage for the people. What, maybe about two weeks ago, let's say son of a boy dad put out an episode where Sass was complaining that he is not on the quote unquote first class list for Barstool. He's mad that he has to fly regular sitting coach. And. And so he was complaining about that on Son of a boy dad. Francis and Roan correctly, and obviously were like, if you. You say this like this is gonna be a thing. And Sass was sort of like, what.

[John Feits]

Are you talking about?

[Kevin Clancy]

Like if I don't get on first class, no big deal. How why will this affect you? And it's like, clearly you don't know how this works. And they. I'm almost. He was dumb for bringing it up. But then Ronan, Sass, Ronan Francis knew what was gonna happen. They still put it out. Should have been buried and killed. So it comes out in son of a boy dad. And then it gets to Dave. And on a live stream he read out the names of people that should be in first class. And the people that should not. And all people thought this was tracking back to Sas, but you're saying it's you?

[John Feits]

Yeah, it's mine. This is my fault. I did this.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wow.

[John Feits]

You knew.

[Jackie]

Actually. No, it's your fault. Yeah. You know, because it was on a out of order trip, right?

[John Feits]

Yeah. So we.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, that's not your fault. I thought it would be your fault if you were like, yo, Sass, you should be on first class and you should complain about it publicly.

[Jackie]

Just wait for, oh, is that okay?

[John Feits]

Wow.

[Kevin Clancy]

I thought he was just gonna be on a trip and that he, he was mad that you were sitting in front of him and then he complained. If you told him to complain, you are the asshole.

[John Feits]

No, Sass came up to me. We were, we had a show at Joe's on weed in Chicago. Nick Tyranny's on stage. Sask him up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Me. He goes, hey, can I talk to you? I said, of course.

[John Feits]

He goes, how'd you get on the first class list? I said, I don't really know. Three years ago, I just showed up at the airport. My ticket said first class. I didn't bring it up to anybody. I just kind of showed up and just kept going. And he went, see, I, Francis and Ron are on it too. And I was like, oh, really? And he goes, yeah, like, both my shows, everyone's on it. And I was like, harry, you should run this. Right?

[Kevin Clancy]

You said that.

[John Feits]

I was like, Harry, in an honest.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, honest advice I have.

[John Feits]

I had you of all people who.

[Kevin Clancy]

Know to like, keep your head down and stay out of the fucking mix.

[John Feits]

I had, I had, I obviously had no idea how exclusive the list was on. I, I, I was on it. I didn't think it was that exclusive. I was like, yeah, go talk to people, right? And then I figured, I was like, yeah, I'm sure the worst thing they'll say is no. And I didn't realize I would lose my seat.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, you're dumb too.

[John Feits]

You, you are an idiot.

[Kevin Clancy]

Because I was gonna say, like, the problem with Sass is that he is not like a barstool freak. You know what I mean? He's here, but he's not, like, embedded in the culture the way the rest of us are and where Ron and Francis are. So they knew exactly what's gonna happen. You not knowing this would happen is the most stunning part of this whole.

[John Feits]

I didn't not know it would happen. I just, I hadn't, like, I don't know, I, I, to me, the first class wasn't a big deal. I just showed up at the airport one day and my tickets at first class. I didn't think anything of it.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, I, I mean I, I have the same situation as you. I don't know if that's for everyone else. I wonder if other. I think some people have it in their contract. I think some people complain about it.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So for us it was like, I. To this day, I mean, I've flown, I have flown first class for a while now, but every time I'm like, okay, it's first class.

[John Feits]

It's not like a given.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm just like, okay. And I'll just be like, okay, it goes back now. But I think for some people it's a very big sticking point and do make a bigger deal of it. I also didn't know. So it originated at least according to. I think it was Austin who was talking on the stream, Dave, that Brianna was sitting in the back of the plane years ago and Erica and that like they tweeted a picture or she said something about it and people were like, how the is Brie flying first, not first class. And Erica made this decision.

[John Feits]

I see.

[Kevin Clancy]

And that was when Penn was around. Dave was like, he's not looking at the minutia.

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So I don't think he even knew who has been flying first class. So that's kind of where it originated. And I guess it was Erica who kind of was like, you know, these are the people draw the line.

[John Feits]

I was coming home from LA and I was, I was in last seat, my last first class flight. I was in the last seat of first class and JB Smooth was walking by me, hat, suit and everything. And that was me going, I was thinking, I probably shouldn't be in first class. I was like, I was like, if JB Smooth is walking by me, I probably shouldn't be here.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I don't care. Like, I don't travel enough and most of my flights are quick.

[John Feits]

Oh, I travel enough is going to significantly affect my life. This is, this is a real problem.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. What I was going to say is I love it. Like, it's great, but I also do. It is probably one of the more superfluous expenses in the world.

[John Feits]

Oh, it's.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's like, just sit in this chair instead of this chair and that'll be an extra like $1700.

[John Feits]

And if you do that times 100.

[Kevin Clancy]

100 people at a company times a hundred flights, like it adds the fuck.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. So I, I don't like not making the list. Not because of the, the actual flights. I don't like making the list because it's like, oh, I'm not doing good enough to be on.

[John Feits]

Yes. Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

From that point of view, it's like, I, I wish that somebody didn't tell.

[John Feits]

Sass to do this because it's just.

[Kevin Clancy]

An unnecessary, like, hey, here's a thing for you to worry about or get made fun of or. It's not that, like, oh man, I got to sit coach. It's like I'm, I'm not, you know, I'm not bringing enough money or performing enough to get on.

[John Feits]

But there's also the time, like there's a time in our lives here at Barstool where like, we thought it was insane that people were requesting a first class flight. Yeah. Like, like, I, I remember we had conversations about we're gonna leave the names out, but it was like, you know, they want a first class flight to show up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feits]

And yeah, I mean, that's not who we are. So it sucks, but it's just gonna suck being in zone six again.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, it's almost. The boarding too is like, I mean, when you fly to like la, if you get like a pod or a bed, awesome. At least again, for the places I'm traveling that are like regional flights, it's like not even a difference.

[John Feits]

Despite being a first class member.

[Kevin Clancy]

First class.

[John Feits]

Former first class list member. I flew southwest to LA because that was one of the first times that booking asked me. They're like, can you get the flight? And so I got a southwest flight because that's.

[Kevin Clancy]

I ain't paying that.

[John Feits]

Not like, can I buy it? But like, they're like, can you just find it and send it to me?

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay.

[John Feits]

And I would not. I just, I don't know. I'm not gonna send someone a first class flight.

[Kevin Clancy]

So I just, I think that's the difference. When, when we're, I'm saying I don't really care and you're saying you didn't make it a big deal. I, I think that some, maybe some.

[John Feits]

People do do that, but it sucked because I was in Ohio, so I had to take. I was in Ohio on Sunday. I played in the OAR Columbus Blue Jackets, like, alumni game.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

And it's the most I've ever played hockey in my life. I did the math.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's the most like, like the most shifts you did.

[John Feits]

Most shifts I've ever played. We played at the age of 40.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, Jesus Christ.

[John Feits]

I just played. I did I did it eight days ago. So that Sunday, were you dying or.

[Kevin Clancy]

Are you in good shape?

[John Feits]

Well, I was laying in bed, Kevin. This is why I thought of it, because I was laying in bed. It was. We played 20 minute stop clock period periods, which is. That's just an NHL game.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I was gonna say that's hockey.

[John Feits]

Like professional hockey in high school. We played 18 minute stop clock periods, which was long because you're supposed to play 15 minute stop clock periods. And we would notice. We would like, by the end of the third period, like, we would be.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, basically played another period.

[John Feits]

Like these guys thought the game was over last period. Dumb assholes. And so now we played 20 minutes stop clock and instead of four lines, we had three lines. So I was exhausted and I was laying in bed, I. With a bunch of ice on my dick and like my two. My hips. My hips hurt. And your hips. Like, like my hip flexors, groins, whatever you call. And I was laying there and I was thinking, like, in an hour and a half, I have to get on a Southwest flight to Nashville and then I have to get on a Southwest flight from Nashville to la. I was like, this was the dumbest idea I've ever had in my life. I ended up. It ended up being fine, but I was like, I have to fly southwest to Nashville, then to la and I can't walk.

[Jackie]

There's no chance you guys get taken off the first. It's a bad look for barstool to.

[John Feits]

Have you guys, bro, we're off the list.

[Kevin Clancy]

Somebody else asked me that and I was like. They're like, well, yeah, but you're like in already. I was like, no. Do you think that anybody booking the flights is going to now risk Dave being like. I said, no. Yeah, there's no.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

It's a nice. It's a nice thought.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's over.

[Jackie]

On my way back from Chicago, I wanted to take a picture of it, but I saw all business Pete in first class.

[John Feits]

Now we're gonna start. Now we're shooting, man.

[Kevin Clancy]

Stay low and keep firing, baby.

[John Feits]

Because like I'm gonna. Now it's gonna upgrade.

[Kevin Clancy]

But now what's gonna happen is some of the content people who got the boot, if they ever catch some business people flying are gonna go ballistic. And I do know at least one person who, who said it's in their contract. And then you run into like a. Well, are you willing to go and be like, you're violating my contract for this?

[John Feits]

Because if you do, then you got.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, you got a whole Other world of problems to me, none of the stress and drama that can come over this is worth it, you know, for and I guess unless you know, if you fly all the time and it's really going to be a problem but then that's also the people that it costs the most. So like I kind of understand it. I just think it's better to shut the up, get in your seat, deal with it.

[John Feits]

I my, my only saving grace is I'm not positive that this was I I There's a chance that Sass had already recorded that episode and then was asking me was he in the right got it and in that I still stand by it. I if anyone if Jackie, if you asked me if you were like is it weird I'm on the first class, I'd be like, yeah, it is weird. Go talk to somebody about that. Well I used, I sent it to Paths. I was like, I was like, I was borderline like where the is pav? I thought everyone at this company was on the list.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, that's the problem. I think that's why I, I used to think and I don't any longer that John was like the North Star, the guiding light of how to operate at barstool in order in terms of keeping out of stress and drama. Apparently, apparently he's just thrown that part of his personality out the God and now you're some pot stirring your gas. You're fucking.

[John Feits]

I did I didn't know I as I understood it it was just like he was just gonna ask somebody and I was like yeah, you should ask. I don't know what's the worst that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Happens like the creates like a company wide drama.

[Jackie]

Told you that I was gonna yeah.

[John Feits]

But I didn't realize I didn't know I know he was gonna do on a podcast class. I thought he was gonna be like hey Lisa, what's the deal with the first class list?

[Kevin Clancy]

Right?

[John Feits]

I, I and, and I, I would, I still stand by that. I would encourage him to be like, yeah, I don't know. Figure it out. I don't know what it is.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I think it, it falls a little bit into the territory of like the Dante Vinnie thing where it was like well he does it, why can't I? And then it, you tear people down with you. I think in anything, whether it's first class or content or money, same thing. Big T going in there and being like I should make more than these guys. It generally doesn't work if you're doing it in a negative way. I think Dave said this on Unnamed. He said if you come in and you're like, I want to get paid as much as, like, Biz, because we both bring in the company, like $20 million.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Then that's, that's like anything else. Like, I'm a top quarterback, you're a top quarterback. We compare stats coming in and being like, these are the worst people in the league. And I don't agree with that, by the way. At least not with Nikki. Like, these are the worst people. Like, I want to get paid more than them. It's like, that's just not a good negotiating tactic to start at the bottom.

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So I think anytime you're sort of like, yeah, I mean, I guess the this. I just think you'd have to be very, very clearly in the right on something like this to do it. Like, if Sass was like, I put out a comedy special and like, Netflix picked it up and our show is killing it and I'm got 10 million followers. It's time for me to upgrade. But when, if there's even a question, I think you steer clear things, bar. So money, perks, treatment. I think if you're gonna run it up the flagpole, you better be right. Because in this place, it usually doesn't just affect you. You're right. If he just said, no good. But it usually leads to, well, who does?

[John Feits]

Let me take a look.

[Kevin Clancy]

Or, or that person says, well, how come XYZ is on the list? And then it just becomes.

[John Feits]

But I get where Sass's head was at, where he's like, if he's like, I only travel with my shows, which is son of a boy, dad out of order. Ron and Francis and fights have it. Like, my two shows all have first class. I get why you wouldn't be like, well, shouldn't I have it then?

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, I guess so. But also, you know, if you just.

[John Feits]

If again, if you if. Because all of our knowledge of the first classes, I, I, I had no knowledge of it whatsoever. I didn't know what the standards were to get in. I didn't know who was on the list. I know how big the list was. I know anything. But, like, if you're thinking like, well, these are the two shows I do. And everyone on these shows, let's take the highest example.

[Kevin Clancy]

If, like, a new intern comes into part in my take, I don't think they just get to be on first class.

[John Feits]

No.

[Kevin Clancy]

No part of the show. You know what I mean?

[John Feits]

But he's not the new I, I, I'M not arguing that he should be on or anything like that, but I get where his head was, where he's like, I don't know. The three people I travel with all the time are always in first class. Yeah, Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I get why you're like, I. I think Rowan has been doing content in general for the last, like, 20 years and probably 10 at Barstool. And Francis has been. I. I think you can see the difference between those 2 and him 100.

[John Feits]

But I also just see why his brain went there. Yeah, I see why his brain went everyone else.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, by the way, if we were talking about a different company.

[John Feits]

Yeah, totally agree.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's just that you have to know how to operate within Barstool. At the very minimum, it's going to become content.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Dave's gonna go like. Even if he agrees, he's gonna be like, let's make the first class.

[John Feits]

But even that, Dave only makes content when he wants to be. Because, like, I. I don't think that was the first time Dave saw it. Maybe I'm wrong, but, like, I think.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was pretty genuine. You think he was, like, acting.

[John Feits]

I. I actually haven't seen. Okay. Because he gets.

[Kevin Clancy]

He's like, let me see this list.

[John Feits]

Something three times. I think Gaz made at least two, maybe three appearances on Boy Dad. If Gaz has been involved in something.

[Kevin Clancy]

Two or three times, Dave knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John Feits]

And maybe I'm. Obviously, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe.

[Kevin Clancy]

But if you watch this, I mean, Dave's not like an actor, recreator type. You know, he seems pretty. Like, I've heard about. You know what I think he said he was like, I've heard about this first class list. Like, what is going on? So I think guys maybe said something.

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Because when he's like, get me list, and then he starts reading through it, it seems pretty. Pretty genuine to me.

[John Feits]

He called me feats in it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right? And he called you feats? Yeah. And it's like, yeah, listen, he doesn't know our names.

[John Feits]

If I wanted to work at a company that respected me, I'd have been gone a long time ago.

[Kevin Clancy]

Honestly, I.

[John Feits]

It's.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's not. It's not the. It's not the seat. It's not the comfort. It's like, oh, I'm not respected at work. The reason I hate sass is because he's. He has just shone a light on. I'm not respecting that word.

[John Feits]

It's not about the actual tickets or the beats. Who's this? It's.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's does he know it's. He. Yeah, no, he does.

[John Feits]

I'm sure he does.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think, I think it's a general lack of respect, but also it's just like his brain, when he gets introed as, as he gets introduced to you as like something. Some name, some. Whatever, Whatever his first impression is. Yeah. Like, it sticks.

[Jackie]

We also are in talking about the hotel suite list.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, here we go. There's another one.

[John Feits]

This, this list I am not on, so. Well, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not. Okay.

[Jackie]

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying anymore, but, like, and I don't know if there's a list, but I know that, like, I have witnessed certain things I'm not gonna say anymore.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm pretty sure there are. I think the hotel list is a way more exclusive list. Yeah, I think, I think that, and now it sounds like the first class list is probably gonna match that.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I, I, There are definitely times where it's like, oh, we're in like, the Holiday Inn and they're in like, the boutique, you know? Yeah. And it's like, I think I know why, you know, And I think that's what the first, Last first class list is going to become. Yeah. Play the, play the clips. Let me, let me see if you think it's real. It started because three was flying in the back of a plane and you were like, why do we have a fly in the back of the plane? So Erica made a list. This is funny.

[John Feits]

As he's doing it, he's gambling 90 of these people.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's what's funny. Everyone in the room was like, he'll agree with both of us. And he agreed with, like, none of.

[John Feits]

Us, like, spitting Chiclets. That was a false start.

[Kevin Clancy]

You.

[John Feits]

What are you doing?

[Kevin Clancy]

All right, who's on it? Me.

[John Feits]

Big Cat.

[Kevin Clancy]

Pft. Hank.

[John Feits]

Hank's Borderline Rigs. Frank, Frankie, Trent. I don't know why the Foreplay guys, they can decide on their own.

[Kevin Clancy]

Biz weight.

[John Feits]

Yes. Kfc. No.

[Kevin Clancy]

Feets?

[John Feits]

No.

[Kevin Clancy]

Ria.

[John Feits]

Yes. Fran. Yes. Bri.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes. Oh, so it's not everybody.

[John Feits]

It's just us.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it is weird, that foreplay.

[John Feits]

I'm thinking that's just. Which is also part of what my confusion. First class list is like, I, I think, I think he's why he's saying it's up to four plays because, like, it just comes out of their money.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right, right, right, right.

[John Feits]

Like, I, I.

[Kevin Clancy]

But like, then that could be for us. I guess, I guess at some Point. If you're just losing money, it's like, we need every penny we can get out of you. But if it is just sort of like, make your own decision, but because, I mean, the Foreplay guys are. That. That's probably. Yeah. I'm thinking less money for you. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. But I'm wondering who is going to be really bent out of shape about this.

[John Feits]

I. I saw Francis this morning. We were both. I was going to say no. We were both laughing about it. I don't. I don't know how. Well.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, last I spoke to him, this was prior to this. Blowing.

[John Feits]

Not laughing about it is a strong. But we. We hugged and he apologized, and I.

[Jackie]

Was like, you what?

[John Feits]

I mean, like, it was more. Okay, let me set the scene. I walked into, like, the content area. I saw Francis from behind and I went, Francis yoked dude. Because he. You see the picture?

[Kevin Clancy]

No, but I mean, he's always been.

[John Feits]

He. No, he posts. He's in the best shape of his life. He posted a shirtless picture because he said he's gonna kill Harry.

[Jackie]

Harry.

[John Feits]

Yeah. Holy. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know what that is? Post divorce body. Something that I did not experience, but many people do. That's hilarious. I mean. So I spoke to him prior to this blowing up. Sass had brought it up to like, Gaz or somebody. And then there was a third floor email chain, and it was somebody. The names were like, blacked out.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. And he said, like, the person upstairs said, like, it's a little weird that, like, I think I came up the example, but it was like, it's a little weird that Francis is on it and like, XYZ is not on it. Something like that. And he saw that and the name was blacked out, but except for the last letter. And he, like, went on a crusade looking at who would have been on that email chain and who has the last in name. Because he was like. And now I. I know who it is, by the way. I think he got it wrong, but he was like, I know who it is, and I'm debating writing a blog to, like, ruin their life. So I was like. And that was before this all blew up.

[John Feits]

So I think.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think Frank is pretty.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Focused on this.

[John Feits]

He's probably gonna. His. His emotions are probably up and down with it.

[Kevin Clancy]

I would. I was. I would call him in. But, yeah, just check out Boyd out. I'm sure they'll be talking about it. I wanted to just do it on our show instead, but I think he's gonna be, you Know, upset.

[John Feits]

Yeah, he could probably be pretty pissed. Like, he goes to, like, Hawaii.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

Those are long flights.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, that's also like.

[Jackie]

But is that for stand up or is that for barstool?

[John Feits]

For barstool. For like four players. He goes on like, foreplay, like, far.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's what's tough is you start to engage in a, in a franchise like foreplay that has some sort of rev share or whatever Dave's kind of alluding to there, that they can make the choice, but then all of a sudden you jump into their world and you don't have that same rev share or that same deal. You don't really get the choice anymore. And, like, you got to just sit in a shitty seat for 12 hours. But I mean, we really. Like, at least the way I grew up, like, first class seats was, I was like, I'll never fly on those.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, to me, that was like having a mansion, a, you know, Rolls Royce. You know what I mean? It was like, that is for rich people or, you know. Well, I was about to say if your company said somewhere. But I like, to me, that became. I don't know if this is like a general thing in the world because I feel like it used to be like, coaching first class. Now there's like economy and business class and plus whatever, Comfort plus. So I think we've been like, leaning towards more regular people getting fancy seats. But, But I always thought of that as, like, really special. And so I don't know, to me, it's like I was playing with house money and I go back to what I always thought I was gonna be. But I'm sure there are some people who don't feel that way, that it's gonna be a little bit more ugly. But yeah, like, you and sass. You're idiots. Just, yeah, I do it again.

[John Feits]

I do it with the knowledge I had at the time. I do it again.

[Kevin Clancy]

The amount of, like, tweets and comments I got of, like, I posted video, I'd be like, this is a first class rant, man. Like, I said something about the Jets. I was, oh, I was saying, like, I can't believe there are people who, like, went to London for that game and have to fly back. And they were like, and can you imagine? They're sitting in coach next to you. God damn it. No one respects me. That's funny.

[John Feits]

Good burn.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's a good burn. It was a good burn. But I, I, it's funny rewatching that. I was like, I, I remember it being like, no, no, no, no. Yeah, just like us and sass. Did Ron make it? Did he say Roan? That would be. See if Dave was really about the content, he should have been like sass. No. Francis. No. Ron. Definitely yes. And then just watch the gave Ron a maybe. A maybe. So that's that. That will tear son of a boy.

[John Feits]

Dad from the inside out.

[Kevin Clancy]

These guys will literally end up tearing each other apart for that one.

[Jackie]

I think he said no.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, maybe he said so. Yeah, that's that. That'll be the. Now what's going to happen is the next flights people take, you know, if they're pot stirrers or content makers, you know, if you're on a first class fight, it's got to be like yeah, yeah. Tag the people who are not like or vice versa. You know, like Frank. Like Francis just did. It's first class list is the new club Cool. It's the new. You know, there's always these little story lines throughout barstool where people get like lumped together good or bad and that just becomes. Yeah, bubbly gang club cool. First class list.

[John Feits]

Like these are things involved in all of them very negatively. I think I know why you're not.

[Kevin Clancy]

On the first class list.

[Jackie]

Feet.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think Feedlberg.

[John Feits]

Basically every group Davis hated at barstool I was a part of Common denominator.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that also, I mean it's, it's, it's for sure you know, a money and performance thing. And I think it's also. Dave likes you.

[John Feits]

You're right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Ron's a maybe. I think he likes Rome. You know, if, if, if Caleb was around and let's say Sunday conversation hadn't popped off and he wasn't making money, then Caleb would be.

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, I mean tough, tough thing. Tough, tough crowd. If Hank can't get in like being like the lead producer Sl co host of a. The number one show in the world.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

If Anaka doesn't know who you are and Dave doesn't put you on, things are looking tough for my boy hen. Easy. Got that, that, that golf touchdown taken away.

[John Feits]

I saw that.

[Kevin Clancy]

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[John Feits]

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[Kevin Clancy]

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[John Feits]

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[Kevin Clancy]

I was about to go. It's pronounced ceviche. That's how much, how little I know. No kamichi.

[John Feits]

Okay, I had shrimp, I had sushi. I just had a ton of raw fish.

[Jackie]

And I mean that alone is knowing your stomach irresponsible.

[John Feits]

Irresponsible, Incredibly responsible.

[Kevin Clancy]

No one is more irresponsible with their own stomach.

[John Feits]

And so at like this is Monday night and Monday night, like, like the moment I get home from dinner, I was like, this is gonna be a problem. Like, I just, I just knew I was, I wasn't sick or anything yet. I could just, I felt my stomach, I was like, this can be a big problem. And so that night, I don't sleep. I threw up 20 to 30 times. Like, like straight up. It was disgusting. It was insane. I was, I was definitely waking up neighbors because it was full on screams.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, John's not the type to be.

[John Feits]

Like, when John pukes, like full on screen, like exorcism and like to the point where like I, I, my knees got tired, my knees got sore from, from being on the ground. On the ground. Towards the end of the night, I was throwing up, standing up. So I was just like.

[Kevin Clancy]

The splashback is out of it in the toilet.

[John Feits]

The best puking I've ever done. Unbelievable. I recommend it. If you're gonna puke, stay on your feet.

[Kevin Clancy]

Stand up, stay in your feet. I cannot go sign this.

[John Feits]

Dude.

[Kevin Clancy]

Don't listen to this, man.

[John Feits]

I was. I was into the bowl. Into the bowl.

[Kevin Clancy]

You also got to be a good puker.

[John Feits]

I was. It was precision. It was Chris Kyle puking.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well.

[John Feits]

I was. I was like. I was just standing over the toilet, and I. It was like. Like. You ever see, like, the oil wells and the oil dregs, I think they're called in Texas, which is, like, up, down.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

Like, bro, I just wasn't moving. It was.

[Kevin Clancy]

This is in. Wait, a hotel, right? In a hotel. Okay.

[John Feits]

In a hotel.

[Kevin Clancy]

For a second, I thought you were saying that you did this at Edelman's.

[John Feits]

This is. This is midnight to 9am on Tuesday morning. And I'm laying in bed, shaking, shivering. I'm like, I can't do. Like, I'm gonna have to cancel. I can't do this. There's no way I can do this. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna call the front desk. I'm gonna tell them, bring me up some waters, and I'm gonna get in there. So I called front desk. I go, can I have four waters? I said, small or large? I said, large, please. They knock on the door. It's pitchers of water. So they bring them in on the room service. They're like these big, outrageous glass containers of glass, pitchers of water. I'm slamming the waters. Whatever. I get to Edelman's house, and I just. I just locked it. I just. I recommend the interview if you like barstool.

[Kevin Clancy]

We talk a lot about the Brady.

[John Feits]

Four and all that stuff, but I locked in. I was perfect. Slamming waters the whole interview. We're in a room about this big is where he records and we get done. And I was like, yo, man, you mind if I go to the bathroom real quick?

[Jackie]

Nothing.

[John Feits]

Nothing crazy.

[Kevin Clancy]

You didn't actually say that.

[John Feits]

I said, no, no, no. I just said.

[Kevin Clancy]

I just said, if someone ever said, can I use your bathroom? It won't be a problem. It will be. It'll be a totally normal bathroom experience. I know that's not a normal bathroom experience.

[John Feits]

So just so you know, I can tell the way you're looking at me. I didn't have food poisoning last night.

[Kevin Clancy]

I didn't Eat seven different types of raw fish. Trust me.

[John Feits]

And. And so we're in this room like this, and I get up on the couch. My God.

[Kevin Clancy]

I use the bathroom real quick.

[John Feits]

And he goes, dude, perfect.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's right there. Oh, no.

[John Feits]

And. And so worst. So there's like, probably this. There's probably seven people in the room. The fucking door is right, man. When I asked to go to the bathroom in a regular situation, I'm hoping you say it's outside. Yeah. Go down the street to the right. Like, even if I'm just taking a piss, like, I want, I don't like people being around me in the bathroom.

[Jackie]

Is that at this point, like, it's an emergency?

[John Feits]

It's a problem.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's a problem.

[John Feits]

Yeah, it's a problem.

[Kevin Clancy]

Nothing to be concerned about, Jackie. It's a problem.

[John Feits]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

This is Edelman's house.

[John Feits]

Edelman's home. Which, like, I'm.

[Kevin Clancy]

I already.

[John Feits]

Even just being in it, I was like, this is crazy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

Julian Element is the, like, creator of some of my greatest memories of my life. Like, he's a huge factor.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I'm gonna go four feet from him.

[John Feits]

And it was like, he's like, yeah, buddy, right here.

[Kevin Clancy]

Hop up right here. You just. Right here, man.

[John Feits]

So I was like, so I go over to the bathroom and wait, by.

[Kevin Clancy]

The way, you're done. Done.

[John Feits]

Podcast over.

[Kevin Clancy]

So you could have just run out of there?

[John Feits]

No, I couldn't have made it. Couldn't have made it. And. And so. But, like, the door is right there. So, like, I. I was like, well, I'm gonna. I have to just pee. I can't do anything right. So, like, I can't. Is the door where they're all in the room with us? I have to just pee.

[Kevin Clancy]

I totally agree with you. But when you're in that emergency, the P leads to the emergency. It's very hard to just pee in those spots.

[John Feits]

So I got it. So I'm standing over the toilet and I'm just.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's how you yourself.

[John Feits]

I'm just gonna pee. And I. The moment I started peeing, like, every orifice in my body was like, he's opened up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Tears start coming out of his eyes. Spot comes out of his nose, Air.

[John Feits]

Coming out of his mouth. Boys, he exits.

[Kevin Clancy]

Open.

[John Feits]

Go, go, go.

[Jackie]

Every orifice in my body said, he's opened up. It's truly a sentence I hope to never hear.

[Kevin Clancy]

I feel like the only other time I heard that sentence also on KFC Radio with my other co host, John Vitalberg. All my Orifices open, handshake.

[John Feits]

This food poisoning's got me airtight. Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, you. You're the reverse. It's coming out instead of going in. But it's air.

[John Feits]

Many you guys think you're getting outside of me.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're nuts.

[John Feits]

But so I'm standing there and like. And like, like, there was no questioning it. I knew what happened. My underpants knew what happened. Right. And I was Julian Edelman, and the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Seven strangers knew what happened.

[John Feits]

At that point, they still didn't know. And I don't think they're probably learning it right now for being perfectly honest. But, like, I felt poopy my pants, and so I like, immediately. Because I had like, no, no, no, no, no.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay. Yeah.

[John Feits]

And it was like, I'm trying to be as delicate as I can. I apologize.

[Kevin Clancy]

You got the diarrhea, the underpants. Okay, I got it.

[John Feits]

Jackie's face is like, you're not.

[Jackie]

No, no, no. Like, seriously, at this point, like, go nuts. Whatever. I already think so low of you.

[John Feits]

You can't get any more discussion, buddy, if you thought this story was gonna change anything. But so I.

[Kevin Clancy]

So it's hard to cut off midstream.

[John Feits]

So I'm pinching off midstream.

[Kevin Clancy]

Physically.

[John Feits]

Physically, everybody in my. Every muscle in my body is flexed as hard as it can flex. Because I know if I just breathe, relax, sneeze, cough, twitch, itch, I'm painting the walls. You know what I mean? Like, it is. I'm facing the wrong way. I'm like, oh, my God, what am I? And while I'm pinching up, I have to take my pants off. And that's a whole hard thing. Because I had to. I had to sit down, Kevin.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, right. Oh, so you're just doing fly right now.

[John Feits]

I'm a fly guy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah. Because then you gotta go in, out, down.

[John Feits]

So I'm.

[Kevin Clancy]

Because I was gonna say I would just spin around and go down, but you can't.

[John Feits]

Yeah, you got one handed pinch while. One handed. Trying to undo the belt. While every muscle in my body is flexed the most it's ever been flexed.

[Kevin Clancy]

And when you're pinching, by the way, it's almost like filling up like a water balloon. It doesn't stop everywhere. It's going up your eyeball.

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

I did not know if. I did not know about the pitch.

[John Feits]

It's a distinct, like, it's. It's painful. Yeah, it hurts.

[Kevin Clancy]

When girls start peeing, can they stop.

[Jackie]

Peeing if you do Kegels enough.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, but like, that feels like even worse for them. Like you open the gates, you turn on the faucet, it comes out.

[John Feits]

Stuff it up or something.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like a glue stick or something.

[John Feits]

I don't know. There's a way to. I've seen. Yo look, I've seen people with bullet wounds getting held. There's a way to.

[Kevin Clancy]

What's that stuff called? It's like, like it clots instantly.

[John Feits]

Yeah. Severed karate and make it home. All right.

[Kevin Clancy]

Pour that powder that the janitor puts on puke in elementary school and pour that on there.

[John Feits]

But the ultimately. Ultimately ended up being fine. I got down. But I did have to cancel my lunch I afterwards.

[Kevin Clancy]

But, but, and, and, and what? And you just. What you do with your underpants Just wore them out. You can't throw out your shitty underpants.

[John Feits]

No.

[Kevin Clancy]

In Julian Ellman's bathroom. Yeah.

[John Feits]

No, no, no, no. Those stuck. They're staying with me. I don't know where they are. They might be my. As soon as you asked, I was.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, I don't know where, bro. You're gonna open up some, some, some luggage in like two weeks and be.

[John Feits]

Like, oh, what'd someone in my luggage Delta? I'm like first of 28, three. Second of all, I think someone.

[Kevin Clancy]

I.

[John Feits]

Need to be on the first class list. What the is.

[Kevin Clancy]

One of the weirdest things about society is that we still just use good old regular toilet paper to clean us in the most intimate and disgusting situations. Everything else is stanza.

[John Feits]

Costanza was always that's right.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's right. But I think about everything. You know how much there's sanitizer this and wash your hands with that and all these different ways of all these other hygiene things. But. But when it comes to using the bathroom, it's just straight up toilet paper. That's crazy. Join us in the the modern day world with tushy. Tushy is a bidet that that means you leave the bathroom feeling cleaner than when you walked in the bathroom. And that's something that regular people cannot honestly say.

[John Feits]

Or Barcelona, please. You walk in the bathroom like, how did I get chocolate on me?

[Kevin Clancy]

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[Jackie]

BFF store.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, store. Where was that?

[Jackie]

All over Chicago, Boston. Petsburg.

[Kevin Clancy]

Girl's doing it, man. That's where that text was from.

[John Feits]

I can't even tell you how hard I was laughing at that text. The dinosaur. I was in absolute tears. Sometimes I forget how stupid I am. Like I, I was like, I was like, oh, I, I know what this is. I thought fossil fuels.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Wait, wait.

[John Feits]

Let's set the scene.

[Kevin Clancy]

Sorry. It was, it was Cincinnati.

[Jackie]

No, Pittsburgh.

[Kevin Clancy]

Pittsburgh, right. Okay. I knew it was one of those Midwest spots. So we, we went. When we were doing the KFC radio tour, we went to the. Pittsburgh, we were flying to Pittsburgh and at the airport there is a, a dinosaur bones exhibit. But it's like you could just like walk up and touch it. And so we were kind of like. I think the initial thing was like we. Somebody asked if they were the real bones, right? Yeah. And I was like, I don't think they are, you know, 65 year, 65 million year old bones that like a little kid could just run up to and hit. So that was the first thing that I was like, are you kidding me?

[John Feits]

No.

[Kevin Clancy]

This is like a replica. And then the second thing was that you thought that fossil fuel comes from dinosaur fossils.

[John Feits]

Correct. Melted melt dinosaur, to be specific.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I think this is one of those things where it's like, I don't know what fossil fuels are, but I know that we didn't like collect all the dinosaur bones and melt them down and, and power the whole world out of them.

[John Feits]

I thought it was like the Ring of Mordor just fucking heave a dinosaur femur.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like, oh, guys, we found a new T. Rex.

[John Feits]

We can power the country for a week. Because it was. I walked away once someone told me that they were replica bones. Then they walked away. I walked away trying to get my standing back with the group, with the team going, going, yeah, I knew that obviously if they were real bones, they would have melted a long time ago. And that's when the team went, he might be real dumb. And someone. That's when I.

[Kevin Clancy]

And when you went, I might be real dumb.

[John Feits]

No, at that point I was like, you were defending. I was like, I'm showing them. I know what I'm talking about.

[Kevin Clancy]

Were you digging in out of stubbornness or you were like, you guys are wrong. I'm right.

[John Feits]

Oh no, I just thought the dinosaur. I just remembered that fossil fuels exist. And of course if they were real bones that would have melted by now.

[Kevin Clancy]

Google what? Like, what is the definition of fossil fuels? Because again, it's one of those things I hate when I'm like, yo, you're fucking stupid. And they're like, okay, then what is it? And I'm like, well, I don't know that.

[John Feits]

Yeah, but I do know. I do know you're dumb. But the funniest part was when you both turned around and gave me the look of like, John, what is he talking about? And Paz went, let me step in here. He's talking about fossil fuels. I mean non renewable energy sources like coal, oil and natural gas that formed over millions of years from the buried remains of ancient plants and animals.

[Kevin Clancy]

Not. Not. Hang on a second.

[John Feits]

That sounds like melted dinosaur bones. That sounds like a fancy way of saying melted dinosaur bones.

[Kevin Clancy]

But, but I think just the definition of just fossils because it, that might just mean any living thing that has been dead for a long time.

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah. So it has no preserve remains of prehistoric life.

[Kevin Clancy]

So at least 10,000 years old.

[John Feits]

So hang on, I don't know exactly what fossil fuels are.

[Jackie]

No, you thought that the bones specifically melted.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So you don't get credit for this.

[John Feits]

No, I know.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, but he is way. But okay, so no fossil fuels.

[John Feits]

Dinosaurs.

[Kevin Clancy]

This is a common misconception. Instead, coal comes from ancient plants. Can you move that thing for a second? Ancient plants like trees, white oil and natural gas originates from microscopic marine organisms like algae and plankton. So, okay, so you're. You're close in the sense that it is old ancient living things. You're wrong in the sense that it's just not dinosaurs.

[Jackie]

But it could have been.

[Kevin Clancy]

Maybe. You know what Maybe there's a new.

[John Feits]

Energy that you don't know about. That.

[Kevin Clancy]

Hey, go to the Smithsonian, get all those bones, and let's, like. We don't need.

[Jackie]

We don't need.

[John Feits]

The Japanese are going, no, don't do that. Do not create an energy source out of a dinosaur. Trust me on that.

[Kevin Clancy]

The Atomic Breath.

[John Feits]

You're gonna regret it once you see.

[Kevin Clancy]

The Atomic Breath, but that is way closer than even.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's closer, except that, like, the bones are notoriously, like, the one part that doesn't decompose. Like, notoriously. That's why we keep finding them.

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

And that's why the only reason we know about. So it was crazy for you to be like, well, they would have melted by now.

[John Feits]

Yeah. No, no.

[Kevin Clancy]

And then it was just funny.

[John Feits]

I don't know if notoriously has to be getting thrown around.

[Kevin Clancy]

By the way. Do you remember when I was saying that. That I. I was trying to basically say that I. I think we don't really know anything about dinosaurs because we're just kind of making up.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Pictures with their bones. There's. I don't know if we ever did this on the show, but I remember after saying that, because some people were calling me dumb and whatever. There. There is a dinosaur that we just completely incorrectly remade, and it's like, it looks like a unicorn. It's like the most ridiculous.

[John Feits]

Oh, we took, like. Like this Must go. On his head.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, it was like. It was like. Like, kind of like stood on two feet and had, like, a really straight back and then like, a point on its head, and they were like.

[John Feits]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, that's totally incorrect.

[John Feits]

But what if.

[Kevin Clancy]

So what if we're doing that with a Triceraton?

[John Feits]

Wait, but that all. But, like, that makes sense, right? Like, like, say a paleontologist 100 years ago found these bones.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

And he put them together, and for 100 years, like, we thought that's how it was, but then eventually a scientist went, no, you dummy. No, that's not how the bones work.

[Kevin Clancy]

Absolutely. No, it makes total sense. I'm just saying that.

[John Feits]

What.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's probably something right now.

[John Feits]

Oh, for years.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was my point.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

We can't really say anything with certainty when.

[John Feits]

I think you can stop the sentence right there. Yeah. We can't really say anything with certain.

[Jackie]

Didn't. Like T Rex. They thought it was, like, the little arms, but it's the wings.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. Like, they thought it was scales and it's.

[John Feits]

But also, like. I don't know if I agree with that. Like, those arms are just wings. And then what did he do with, like, those wings aren't enough to propel it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, I don't.

[Jackie]

But that's the thing is, like, they could, like, dragon, you know, like, but.

[John Feits]

They'Re not big, right? Like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, yeah, we can continue this conversation, but we have to. To stop at. Dragons are not. I don't know if they were necessarily wings, but I think they just kind of realized that, like, they did something wrong with the T. Rex arms. Yeah. Because. And then it's one of those things where when you look at it, you're like, what? Yeah, why would they. Why would that be the thing?

[John Feits]

But it's also like, like, dude, we don't even have a clue what life was. Like, maybe they are. They were small arms, and they had a very good use for them. I, they wanted to grab things out of trees.

[Jackie]

But what would be the, the use for small arms?

[John Feits]

I, I, if. I know. But like.

[Kevin Clancy]

The thing is, when it comes to dinosaurs or any. Anything, when you think about, like, if you're, like, in court, right, you got to, like, prove a case. You're trying to collect evidence from, like, a crime that was committed, like, two years ago. It's like, oh, we don't. I mean, it was two years ago. How could we possibly. We don't know what actually happened. Now. We're talking about 65 million. Like, it's just. You can, you can. And I wonder if scientists, when they put this out there, if they do say, like, this is our best bet at reconstructing. And then we just go, that's what it looks.

[John Feits]

That's what happens.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that's what happens. I mean, nobody could say anything with certainty past, like, five years.

[John Feits]

No, that. I think that's exactly what happens, because I, I actually have seen. I think it was the head of the CDC or someone speaking on Covid, and, And they were like, our biggest misstep was we didn't hammer it home that, like, it's. This is our.

[Kevin Clancy]

We think it's.

[John Feits]

This is our bet. Like, with the information we have, this is our best fucking right? And, and, like, people. But. But no matter how many times you.

[Kevin Clancy]

Say that, it's like a game of.

[John Feits]

Telephone, cell phone, when. Because it's got to go through 100 million people, by the time it gets to that person, they're gonna be like, they definitively say we need to be. Blah, blah, blah, where it's like, they're just saying it's our best guess.

[Jackie]

Like, I feel like you need certainty that if the CDC was like, we don't really know, guys, but it's science.

[John Feits]

No one really knows.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think that becomes politics, where it's like, if we signal to the world that we don't know, then it's going to be. Yeah, so it's almost better to like, say conviction and be wrong and then you just have egg on your face like an idiot than being like we. Because then people like Dante start like, you know, shooting up the world.

[John Feits]

Yeah. It's like when that one was like. Well, the last month they said it was. That it's like, yeah, last month we had different information. Now we want more of information.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

And we're changing what we think.

[Kevin Clancy]

And that's almost more. I think that's more.

[John Feits]

It also goes to people who wholeheartedly. It goes to people who don't believe in it and who wholeheartedly believe in it, where it's like, take it easy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like this week, a new video of someone being like, you have to wear masks.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Just like this. Is this triggered something in people's brains where they just latched on to it for some reason other than just this, the disease, you know, I mean, this is like something in your head that you, You. I don't know. That's where it became this political thing. But it's like, we've all been guilty of it.

[John Feits]

Like, we've all. We were all guilty of it a million times.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, I'm guilty of it for any. Anything. You know what I mean? It's just like, I, if, if at least you're perceived to be like an expert in a field, it's like, I'll believe you. And it's like you start to realize. But I think every doctor, lawyer, whatever, even the major things, they don't fucking know what they're talking about.

[John Feits]

But I think. But I think in my experience, they're open and honest about that, where they're like, I think this is the best course of action from what I have. Here's the information I have. My recommendation is blank. No, I rarely are People, like, do this. Like, if you're talking to the person with knowledge, that's. If you're talking to the person with.

[Kevin Clancy]

Knowledge and, and understanding and like a career or I think are smart enough to always, like, explain the truth and the limitations. I think it's the. Especially in the social media world, there's so many people who purport themselves to be an expert. And it's like, especially legal experts, relationship experts, therapists, and those are the people who Are like, this is the right thing, right? And they say it so loud and with their chest, and they have millions of followers, and then people are, well, you know, Tommy Lahren said it about, like, politics. Like, she's just a talking head.

[John Feits]

Like, there is the same thing as sports. Like, if you talk to someone who made a sports prediction, like a bold sports prediction, and then you talk to him off air, they'll go, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, I think this is gonna happen. But I'm know.

[Kevin Clancy]

I really think the biggest, like, problem on the Internet right now is, like, the. The fake experts or, like, or, you know, wannabe experts who speak as if. And the problem is if you're, like, articulate and smart enough and know some more information than the average person, if to the average person who feels like an expert, you know, that guy knows what you're talking about. It's like, that guy is a little bit smarter. That's why I always said, like, the Joe Rogans of the world and, like, they just know a little bit more. And that makes you go, okay, I'll listen to this guy. And I don't know. The people who, like, dedicate their lives and spend money and, like, effort to figure, they don't know. So how does the idiot just reading an article or watching a video or, you know, whatever it's. And yeah, so, like, people can't figure out current stuff, let alone 65 million years ago. But closer than I thought. I'm letting you off the hook for total, and you're just back to like.

[John Feits]

Regular idiot Pav stepping in with the. I know what he's talking about.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's when I was like, you're definitely wrong.

[John Feits]

Both my bozos here are.

[Jackie]

No, but the fact that you, like, you knew what he was talking about from melted, but it would have been melted by now. And I go, I know what he's talking about. I also brought this up, but, like, in terms of us not knowing what dinosaurs look like. If you put. They had an article that was like, if you put skin in, you know, like, skin over dog bones, that looks like a dinosaur, too. Like, they might be, you know, like, more filled out and, like, voluptuous than we're giving them credit for.

[Kevin Clancy]

Damn these.

[John Feits]

These dinosaurs. Good point. The hotters. The dinosaurs might be hotter than we're giving them credit for. Okay, wait, you guys consider the dinosaurs were sexy? Voluptuous. This is a weirdly perverted word to use.

[Jackie]

Like.

[John Feits]

Like, what if they just look like Jessica Rabbit.

[Kevin Clancy]

In the in the Mesozoic era they were like kind of hot.

[John Feits]

But the Jurassic era, they were baddies. That's when they got ass, dude.

[Kevin Clancy]

Who do you think, what do you think is the hottest dinosaur? It's gotta, I think there's like a correct answer.

[Jackie]

I think rhinoceros.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, sorry, that's like the, that's like the rhino might be the ugliest. Oh, that's sor.

[John Feits]

Yeah, well, that's just an animal currently alive.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I, I, I heard they still.

[John Feits]

Have one at the Bronx Zoo.

[Kevin Clancy]

When you see a rhino, the prob. They're just not the right size. But otherwise it's, that's a. And by the, if you just pronounce it Rhinosaurus, that's a.

[Jackie]

But it's just not the right, That's a dinosaur. That, for the record, like, I think that's probably my, your male perspective that's making you think like, you think he's like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Do you think it's a hot man?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

What type of personalities do you think that these dinosaurs, who do you think they voted for.

[Jackie]

Like the Diplodus diplomactus or whatever? Definitely. Come on.

[John Feits]

The pterodactyl is, has the most female.

[Kevin Clancy]

Energy to me, big time. Yeah. I think, I think velociraptors are girls as well. Probably because the guy says clever girl in part. But I do think they come across to me like, like the girls that we have dealt with in the past who are like, like they're really clever and they can like kill you and ruin you. But like that, that to me is like the dinosaur, the velociraptor. They're very capable and dangerous women. The T. Rex is definitely a very insecure douchebag. Oh, I can see that. Yeah, yeah. He's the loudest in the room. But it's like, yeah, you and your little, if you make, put it this way, you make fun of the T. Rex's arms, he's like going home. This is my weak point. You're right.

[Jackie]

The, the, Jesus Christ. They need to make these name Paraso. The whatever you got. You know the kangaroo looking one with like. That's a girl.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yep. Oh, really?

[John Feits]

I thought she had a big dumb.

[Jackie]

Head, kind of voluptuous.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. She got an ass.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

She got, she got those lovely lady humps. Yeah.

[John Feits]

Stestoris. That's, I don't know. K is the first thing that popped in.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I, I think that the brontosaurus slash Brachiosaurus is the hottest. I think they're like a Runway model of dinosaurs that's a great slender. They walk with a lot of sass. They take their time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're like we, we can't like kill you or anything, but like you can't kill me either. Like I'm just here eating these leaves. You can't with me.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But I don't know if like the proportions are Runway. I don't know.

[John Feits]

You think?

[Kevin Clancy]

I think they absolutely are. I think like that it doesn't have an ass like the other dinosaur. Like you said, it's very. It's just like.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And what's the dilophosaurus, which in the, in Jurassic park is the one that has the, the, the, the like skin that pops out of their face and then they spit on you. Which by the way, that's not real. That was made up by Jurassic Park.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it, but going with the Jurassic park interpretation of it. What do you think the Dilosaurus is a guy? I think it's like a. I think that's very.

[John Feits]

That's very, you know what? You know, ejaculative.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, yeah. It's like coming on you.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know what?

[John Feits]

To me like the rhinoceros or the stegosaurus. I guess we'll use its old fashioned name. We'll use its dead name. Is very phallic.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

Which I can see why you thought.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was a guy. Right. He's got the horns. I think the dilophosaurus is like the teens and preteens who get out of school at 3pm in New York and we're afraid of them. Yeah. Little ones that are like, oh, look at that little kid. Yeah.

[John Feits]

Well, it makes sense. Makes a lot of sense where it's like, kid who just got out of school. Like someone wants to come. That's someone who's like, I know mom and dad get home at 5. Let's get the out of here.

[Jackie]

I'm getting kind of. And this might be offensive towards this person. Zach was the first person that came to mind with the doppelganger sores.

[John Feits]

I can see that.

[Jackie]

Just like packed with like sass and like anger.

[Kevin Clancy]

We could do a whole other like half hour. Which dinosaurs are barstool personality. We got Zach, man. This is, this is podcasting out of the. The Chiefs Lions game. Makes you. Makes me believe the NFL's rigged, people. That's how bad that was.

[John Feits]

Was it? I didn't.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was at the zero penalties called against them the whole game.

[John Feits]

The Chiefs.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes. Not one penalty. The whole game. Took back Goff's touchdown, which was Not a reviewable play, but you're allowed to discuss it. So they didn't go watch the tape, but they did confer and they.

[John Feits]

Okay, so this happened with our game. This happened in the Pats too. They took a touchdown off the board. It was, it was.

[Kevin Clancy]

They said that. God, because Goff caught the pass, it was like a trick play. And they, I guess they said his pre snap motion was like illegal. He didn't like stop.

[John Feits]

But he did.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, if you watch the play, like, to me it looks totally fine. But they had zero penalties. They got the touchdown taken off the board. And there was one other thing that I think was pretty egregious. Was it go, go down one. Because the tweet I saw listed them. So what is that? One, two, three. No, never. Oh, it was like a crucial first down. Mahomes run. It was running the ball and runs right past the guy getting like 2 handfuls of jersey pulled on a hold that was like impossible to miss really. So the dude things like that make you go like, what the.

[John Feits]

I always think, like, obviously, like repping is hard and all that shit, but like, I never understand why, like, why would the NFL want that? Why would the NFL like, like when the Patriots like Chiefs?

[Kevin Clancy]

The theory here would be that the Chiefs, we need to get the Chiefs like out of this hole and back to the top.

[John Feits]

Yeah, no, I know, but I just don't think, I don't think that like, that's that important to football. I think the, the, the chaos of it is what people care about people.

[Kevin Clancy]

People hate the Chiefs just as much as people like the Chiefs. And they, you know, and I could see, like, we want them to be like in the super bowl for those people to hate them and we want Taylor Swift there and we want all that.

[John Feits]

But I think that's, I honestly think that's so insane. Oh, but, but the, yeah, no, don't get me wrong. This is great, but like, it's, but when it's this poorly becomes so commonplace in all sports, like I, I, when we were kids, we would talk about it, I feel like. But I feel like now when we talk about sports, we don't even talk about the game. We just talk about official.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, you know what I think was a problem at least in the NBA is getting caught. Yeah, yeah. Like that at least plants the seed of like. Well, it could be that. And we have a like, proven example. This is just the guy who got caught. How many guys are doing it? Don't get caught now that I don't Think any other, has any other sports gotten caught with umpires or refs?

[John Feits]

Not that I'm aware.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, so that. But that's enough for people to be like, well, Donahue, you know, whatever.

[John Feits]

But the, the Pats game, Pat said two, like two extremely blatant penalties. Humongous penalties. Like one was a touchdown. It was a probably 60 yard pass. Drake made Pop Douglas and got called back for a phantom hold on Stefon Diggs. And then like a 40 yard. Here's Stefan Diggs. This is a pass interference on Stefan Diggs.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[John Feits]

That's.

[Kevin Clancy]

But you know what, you know what, like, you know what's so silly is like picking out all these things when if they blew that call. This is the other one. Oh, they didn't call that.

[John Feits]

No, they called, they called that a penalty on Diggs. This is a 60 yard bomb touchdown that they scored on.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's crazy.

[John Feits]

And they called that a penalty on Diggs. But they didn't call it in the play. Like the, the touchdown happened. Everyone celebrates and then a flag gets on the field. But you.

[Kevin Clancy]

We can pick about part all these plays. If they didn't call that, that or they did call it, what was the Saints thing? I mean, yeah, that play they did call pass or they did not, they did not tackle. Right. And like that's, that's the, the Sandy Hook of sports.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

If they didn't change anything, then they're never gonna. If the Saints didn't enact any sort of change or like umpires and refs need to be accountable and do post, post game interviews, I really think that's a pretty good step though. I think if those guys had to be accountable, I think they'd be a.

[John Feits]

Little sharper like they do now publicly.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's not because I have seen interviews.

[John Feits]

Yeah, transfers.

[Kevin Clancy]

That has to be on camera.

[John Feits]

I think it's not on camera, but they do have to talk to, to.

[Kevin Clancy]

Press now because there was a quote about the golf thing and they were like, yeah, we like, we got together and some people thought he was moving, some people didn't. But if that's on tape on tv, I just think you'll be like, I really can't. It's just more accountability. You know, my, my thing. And I, I made a video about this yesterday and this goes for the jets times a billion, but also all pro sports. And really to go back to what we were talking about with dinosaurs, bones and scientists and lawyers and doctors, Aaron Glenn made some, some decisions that Are so baffling that I, I can't comprehend how it happens. This is not like a hindsight's 20 20, like why did you throw the ball when you should have run it? It's like, well, yeah, you as a fan saw that and now you're complaining or like just strategy, nuance and stuff like that. This is like they went for it on the fake punt to go for it on fourth down at the end of the half, get the first down, run the ball once, let the clock expire. That is so impossible. And then at the end of the game, you have a guy who's been sacked eight times, had zero yards passing on the day and they, it was, it would have been like a 62 yard field goal. So it wasn't like for the win. But Nick Falk is like a competent kicker versus a team. The rest of the team is so bad. I mean, Justin Fields finished with negative 10 yards on the day. In an NFL game, the whole team had 82. They rushed for 90. Their quarterback threw for negative 10 through for 45, got sacked for 55 yards of loss. Just kick the ball. And I, and I really can't. And this, I've seen this with all my teams. How, how does that happen? I'm not saying like, I can't believe you were in like cover two instead of man, like these little minutiae. This is just like call a timeout or the clock's gonna run out, it's gonna go to zero. What I mean the announcers, Kurt Warner was like, I can't figure this out. How does this guy has risen to the top? There's only 30, 32 of these guys in the fucking world. 30 of them, whatever, making millions to make a decision that like I could. You could have been in this game and you would, I think you would have been like, well, let's call timeout, guys. It's just baffling.

[Jackie]

Has any, have any athletes like been caught or accused of like rigging a game for betting?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

Oh really?

[Kevin Clancy]

But that's a lot, A lot of people were like this like. And again, these are silly. But it starts when you see that bad of decision making. There's a part of me that's like, it might be more logical still far fetched. But it might be more logical that Aaron Glenn was like, the first half line is three and a half. And so I'm just gonna like, that makes more sense than just going, well. We just like went all out with a fake. But now who cares?

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So, yeah, I mean, that. That's. That happened a bajillion years ago with the White Sox in, like, the. Early. In the early 1900s, they threw the World Series. There was one guy, famously, who played hard. Shoeless Joe Jackson was like, I'm not doing that. So everyone else stunk, and he batted. I think that's like. At least the story I've heard is that Shoeless Joe Jackson batted like 350 and everyone else stunk. So that's another thing.

[John Feits]

I thought Shoeless Joe just because of the sketch. I thought Shoeless Joe was, like, really involved in it.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, I'm pretty sure. But again, that's like the fairy tale.

[John Feits]

I wonder if, like, what. Where I am basing my knowledge from.

[Kevin Clancy]

Is out of work, no information.

[John Feits]

But then.

[Kevin Clancy]

Then there's been some refs.

[John Feits]

Well, we. That was. The sketch. Was that. It was to. It was. It was a PR company. We never put it out, but.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, okay. I don't think I saw this.

[John Feits]

It was a PR company. And Shoeless Joe Jackson comes in, and he's like, so I'm Sus Jackson. I'm one of the greatest hitters all time, but I'm also a racist, and I beat my wife, and I think I'm going to be remembered for the Black Sox. And. And someone in the PR company goes, have you tried taking your shoes off? And. And he goes, we'll see if that works. And he takes his shoes off and steps aside. He goes, a little weird, but the Mexicans might like it. And then. And then someone goes, that guy doesn't have his shoes on.

[Kevin Clancy]

The real reason is, I'm sure it's like he played a game with no shoes or used to take them off right away or something like that. Too poor to have cleats or some.

[John Feits]

Shit, but hopefully the fucking Mexican. And someone goes, what the hell?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, he got blisters. Got his left shoes on. Yeah, he played. Played a game in his socks. This is also, you know, like, the 1400s, when people, like, shoes were optional. I don't know. But. So the White Sox famously did it as a team in the World Series. So that's why it's, like, particularly heinous.

[Jackie]

Do they all get, like, a, you know, good cut?

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm sure they all made, like, 75 cents back in the day. And it was, like, a big deal. The. There's been an NBA ref who was accused of rigging games, a couple guys here and there. It's big in basketball. Point shaving is what it's called because it's like you can still win the game, but miss some free throws on purpose to make it within the spread, you know, so it's like you can, you can control the game a little bit more. It's like, like I have the ball a lot. I can just dribble it out of bounds or I can let this guy score. And there's been a few examples of people who got caught and then they go back and they watch like the highlights and there's, it's just like so blatant. There are guys being like, just letting them score or like dribbling off their foot. It's like, that would never happen.

[Jackie]

And it's illegal, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, I guarantee that it's happening on a super widespread scale that we don't know about. Like, you know, you have a friend put in the bet for you or you say like, I'm not feeling. There was one guy who was like.

[John Feits]

But there's also like, I don't. What level of athlete would do this?

[Kevin Clancy]

You got to be colossally stupid.

[John Feits]

Yeah, like, like there's no because, like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Because the real problem is when there's a weird bet, Vegas notices that and like flags it so you can't make enough money. Because if it was just like, oh, I'm going to place a $10 million bet on me, like not scoring tonight. I'm going to hit this bet. I'm going to be set for life. They'd be like, no, this is such a random, weird bet. Something's going on. Or if you tell like your friends and everyone starts to put money into it, they go like, what's happening here? So there's really no way to make enough money if you're in pro sports, right? Like, there are guys who jeopardize a multi million dollar a year, probably 10 or 15 year career to make a quick buck. This podcast is brought to you by Fair harbor, makers of the world's most comfortable swimwear. The same comfort that's earned thousands of five star reviews is built into their super soft apparel making. Made to be worn hard and broken in by the life that you live. So we just picked out a whole bunch of Fair harbor clothes that are coming my way. I got some button up flannels, I got some chinos, some real like good, typical fall staples that you need to get some soft, stylish, comfortable clothes in your wardrobe. And you can get it from Fair harbor right now. Founded to protect the places that you love. Since launching, the lifestyle brand has repurposed over 37 million plastic bottles into buttery soft essentials made for everyday use. Join their mission and return the favor to the planet. It's built to last and it's hard to miss. And it's time to trade up with Fair harbor style. This clean quality, this solid comfort, this easy Fair harbor gear just hits different. Head to fairharborclothing.com use promo code KFC20 and get 20 off your full price. Order now through November 14th so you get it through the fall season. Get your clothes for the winter and you can give back to the planet and do some help with the environment. All for 20 off when you use promo code [e-mail] that's Fair Harbor H A R B O R clothing.com and let them know that we sent you past week. While you guys are out. There are. There are two people who I think are completely right now strictly because of the Internet. Like, like you really, nowadays you have to be like really proficient in your field and then also be proficient at the Internet, you know what I mean?

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And, and, and like if you're not, I think you can derail like the most competent, talented experts, whatever, you know what I mean? Like, it can really ruin everything. This girl Katie Porter is the latest example. She's the Democratic representative in California, was pretty much considered to be the front runner to win the 2026 election to become governor. And there was one bad interview where she was like arguing with the interviewer and got very testy and wanted to walk out. And then a second, a second video that leaked after that one came out of her just screaming at a staffer in, in the shot of her zoom call where she. The. And the craziest part is she was correcting her. Katie Porter was saying some that was not right. And she's like, get the out of my shot. And the girl's like, I just wanted to tell you you're not right. We're not doing it for like electric cars. We're doing it for blah, blah, blah, you know, so it's like not. She wasn't just like around. It was sort of like, hey, this is wrong, but it's funny to watch in a industry or whatever you want to call politics field that is so cutthroat and shitty and corrupt and horrible in general. Like baseline, being rude to your staffer is like, you're done. The amount of people that I've talked to are in politics that are like, it's, it's indefensible. It's really hard to like, look past and, and it probably should be. I think that's a bad ex. Like, but it's sort of like you see it everywhere. Like, Ellen, like, you're done because you were yelling at your interns. Like, and, and that. That's actually a good thing. I, I think, I think that's a good thing in society. That it's like, even if you're really successful and you're in a high stress situation and money's on the line and powers on the line, that the general public still says you can't be a total piece of to the people, to the little people, you know, I think it sometimes goes the other way where it's like, I don't know, Ellen was running like a billion dollar enterprise and there's an intern doing something stupid who gets chewed out. Like, I don't know, that's. Don't be in that industry. But then there's a breaking point and I, I think. And, and then what happens is like, this one comes out and this one comes out and oh, one time she chewed me out one time she spit on me one time. You know what I mean?

[John Feits]

It's, it's, it's. I hate to be lame and do like an authenticity thing, but, like, if you're always a nice smiling and you're an ass.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes.

[John Feits]

Like, if you're an asshole and you're an asshole, that's fine.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right?

[John Feits]

If you're a nice person and you're a nice person, that's fine. You can't be a nice person and an asshole. Just be the both.

[Kevin Clancy]

A lot of people have said about David, like, like, he can be tough, but we, you know where you stand. Like, you know what you're getting. Dave said it himself, like, I'm, I'm mean with ease. Like, that is what you're getting. And then people don't get upset or mad when he's like screaming at somebody because it's like, yeah, that's, that's. I think that's interesting with everything. Like, it's the Manny being Manny thing, that reputation. You know, Mike Tyson can just be a lunatic, like, but the same thing, right?

[John Feits]

It's like, they're authentic.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah. Whereas, like a rod caught so much heat because he played this like, proper guy and then it was like, okay, you're cheating and you're kind of a. And all that. It's the, the difference between public and private. If that's too great, then people are like, yeah, you're a fraud. And Rightfully so, yeah. And then the other one is this guy, Hassan Piker. I had never heard of him prior to this, but I think he's a very successful, I feel like I've heard.

[John Feits]

A lot of, since, but I hadn't.

[Kevin Clancy]

Heard, I hadn't heard him before. I think, I think he's a left wing, but like, really engaging in like Israel, Palestine type stuff. And so this one is, this guy was streaming and his dog was in the background. I think his dog is like always in the background. And she gets up. Her name's Kaya. Big chow dog, very cute. She gets up. This is, that, that's a different one. So now what's happening? Same thing with him. There's a bunch of different videos of him coming out doing this. The original one, though, if we can find that, there's no way to prove you don't see him, like, hold up a clicker and push the button. You can't tell what kind of collar the dog is wearing. But throwing out the shock collar, the way this dude reacts from just his dog standing up, I think this is the one. Put it on the, yeah, put on the. But, but rewind it to the beginning because he's talking about politics and then.

[John Feits]

All of America's much more consequential violence. Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's the same reason as to why America.

[John Feits]

Kaya, please just fucking go.

[Kevin Clancy]

Stop now. Wait, but wait. So let's say that was not a mistake. That was a mistake or something. This reaction, you're being such a baby. It's just.

[John Feits]

You'Re making her stressed.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I, she just literally is, is so incredibly spoiled. From my mom.

[John Feits]

No, she doesn't want to come over here to see what's up. She just wants to roam the house because she got to roam the house.

[Kevin Clancy]

When I was gone.

[John Feits]

And she needs to literally have the same structured, regimented.

[Kevin Clancy]

Weird.

[John Feits]

I think this clip went to Trump's.

[Kevin Clancy]

Big baby desk immediately. I just, I hate everything. I just. So let's say for a second, let's take the shocking out. That's a weird reaction for just a dog standing. Yeah, like if you, like, ran over and knocked your computer over and jumped in the shot or something.

[John Feits]

But I think there's so many people like that that there, I think you're all twisted where, like, the dog is an accessory. Yeah, it was like, no, that dog's a living thing.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think that he puts it in the shot and I think he uses allegedly a collar to keep him there.

[John Feits]

But that's what, yeah, like, like, yeah, it Seems like he wants that dog there. And however. However he's doing it, I don't really care. I obviously do care that if it's. If it's violent. Well, so then if you're just like. Like, if you're using an animal, using a living thing as a. As a accessory is just bizarre, be it a person, a dog, you have to have. You have to be a weird, weird person.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's the. The dog at City Field. You ever see that?

[John Feits]

No.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. I'm like. I'm reaching the point where it's like, I think I got to put my money where my. My mouth is, because I've been, like, talking about rescuing this dog for my whole life, and I think I need to just, like, get one of those, like, an Astro van and drive up and pull the door. We just steal the dog. He sits outside a city. They dress him up like a human, and he sits completely still with a fucking pipe. Pipe in his mouth. And the owner charges, like, a dollar a picture or some shit, and he wears a bandana around his neck. And everyone's like, underneath. That is for sure a shot collar. And a lot of people have complained about it. I believe I've at least heard, like, or seen headlines. I don't know for sure that, like, someone has investigated it and been like, that.

[John Feits]

We.

[Kevin Clancy]

We know this is up, but, like, there's nothing we can prove or do. But it's the same thing. It's like, even. Okay, let's say it's not a shock collar. Like, but you've just trained him to do this. That sucks. That sucks.

[John Feits]

But it's also very different than if it's a shock.

[Kevin Clancy]

Totally. Very. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John Feits]

There's a lot of people who train their dogs to do weird, and it'll.

[Kevin Clancy]

Hurt them or harm them.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But even that, I think, gets weird, where it's like, just let them, like, live a normal life, and they're not one of your props to. Yeah, but as long as you're not hurting them to do it, it's a different story.

[John Feits]

100 with you. But there's also, like. Like, in college, I was actually. I was not in college. I was visiting in college. I went to hockey camp. And, like, one of the. One of the. It was Providence College Hockey Camp, and the. In the. The trainers were just kids who were on the team at the time, and so they were living in the dorms with us, and some of. One of them had a dog.

[Jackie]

Dog.

[John Feits]

And he had trained it to play hockey. No. To. To do, like, The Wild west thing where like you shoot the dog and he.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, it dies.

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, it's the coolest thing I ever seen in my life.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John Feits]

And like, I don't think he used a shot collar to hurt that dog.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feits]

He probably encouraged it. And like, there are good ways to do so.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Give her treats and rewards and all that.

[John Feits]

Yeah. If he's doing it negatively, that's.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, so this guy, you can't say for sure, but you. Every time there's like four videos out now, you see his hand reach for something and at the exact same time he yells, you know, and so he said it's a vibrate, a vibration collar and that it had an air tag on it for GPS purposes. And that as she stood up, it like pulled, got caught on something and that's why she yelped. But then people went back. The same thing happened with Katie Porter. People went back, they found the original clip years ago of him saying, I just bought a shock collar for my dog. There was a, a guest on his show who was petting her and was like, this collar's on way too tight. I feel like you're like strangling this dog. And she was just kind of saying that. She wasn't like, hey, you're abusing. It was just like another piece of evidence. And now there's a bunch of videos of him reaching and her yelping and. Or just like turning right back around and sitting down. And then there was one. See if you can scroll through again. I'll see if I can like locate this one video. It was, it's another dog that he's walking or something. He grabs it by the tail and pulls it back and is like, sit down. And he's like, if you don't, I'm gonna kill you. And I mean it. Like, I'm actually.

[John Feits]

It's.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's a dog that looks like that. So. Yeah, put that, put that one on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it, that's it. Put the audio on. Because he's like, rewind a little bit. Hey.

[John Feits]

Come here. Stay. No, come here.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, maybe this is a different one. Cuz the other one, he pulls him and then goes like, I'm going to kill you. And I just like. So. Okay. I don't know, man, if, if you're, if the shot collar or a vibrating collar or whatever. But like you're weird with your dog, dude.

[John Feits]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jackie]

What's your.

[John Feits]

No, I thought, I thought he was about to play a video.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, Okay, I thought you were gonna say for sure, but. And, like, there's a difference between, you know, you did something, like, illegal and, like, Michael Vic, and, like, you're just a weird and, in my opinion, bad dog owner. But as we know in this country, you start with dogs. Like, it doesn't need to be. Doesn't need to be a crime. It doesn't need to be evidence or proven once people get the. And because it's all kind of related, whether it's an intern or a staffer or a kid or a woman, because people just perceive, you know, women and children as, like, you know, not as strong, whatever, or a dog. It's like the. The general vibe is. Yeah, that's it. That's the one where you can hear him say, kill you. Okay. In front of everybody.

[John Feits]

If you run right now, I'll kill you. Like, I'll actually kill you.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay.

[John Feits]

In front of everyone.

[Kevin Clancy]

Stay. I mean, I guess that's like. See, like, that weird stuff, like, there.

[John Feits]

There is a part of this. This is what I don't like, happens on Twitter.

[Kevin Clancy]

But, yeah.

[John Feits]

Where, like, it's like, I. Like. I don't know, man. There's a million little.

[Kevin Clancy]

There have definitely been times. I'm telling Duncan, you're the worst.

[John Feits]

Like, even, like. Like, I. Talking to, like, little kids, my nephews and stuff. I'm like, you son of a. And like. And even that. He kind of sounded like he was laughing a little bit.

[Jackie]

Where.

[Kevin Clancy]

But if you had four or five videos of you, like, hitting your kid and then you said that, it's like.

[John Feits]

It does get to that point where it's like. It's like. It's like, if you get three, it's like, all right, well, that's. Now we'll see.

[Kevin Clancy]

You have one bad day. One thing that kind of looks similar, and then the other one happened 10 years ago.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But now it's like. It's all adding up in a way that looks pretty bad, for sure.

[Jackie]

I. I got the shock collar the other day because, like, remember we were going to try and train, like, out of me.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So then I got the shock collar and, like, pavs. And I tried it, like, on the lowest. It hurts, and it hurts really bad.

[John Feits]

Shock collar?

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's right over there. Do you want to try it?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. You don't remember that we were going to do that because she was saying, like, too much. So every time she said, like, we're gonna shock her, and I was like, you're gonna. You're going to the electric Chair.

[John Feits]

We do a lot of stuff with you where I'm like, we did that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

You guys paid for our nose job. Like, really? Are we allowed to do that?

[Kevin Clancy]

It's what they do to the woman if we ever get canceled. If I ever got canceled, I could see, like, he paid for his female co host.

[John Feits]

No job. It's like, yeah, I did.

[Kevin Clancy]

I did. She was happy about it. The.

[John Feits]

Yeah, we got you a shock call.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, but to be clear, you got yourself a shot, so that's. That's a big difference.

[John Feits]

If I see me one day, here's your shot collar.

[Kevin Clancy]

That is a different story.

[Jackie]

No, you guys did not.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I mean, like I. I said on. Oh, wait, did I already talk about this on the podcast? I don't know. I hope I'm not repeating myself, but I did. Yeah, whatever. We got John's opinion then. Because I was gonna say I had a. I. I got a shot collar with. With Duncan for. He was eating Shay's pacifiers, and I. He was like, well, she had it in her mouth. He was, like, going around her, and I was like, he's gonna bite this kid, and I'm gonna have to, like, give her my dog.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And. But I put it on myself first, and I tried it, and it hurts, and I put on the lowest. And as soon as, like, like, it took, like, one time, he associated the pacifier with the shock, and he, like, never did it again. If it's like, I put this on you every day, and I'm not proud of that, by the way, but I just want to be, like, transparent that, like, I've done it. There are people who use shot collars appropriately.

[John Feits]

I was gonna say that we're like, I. I don't. I'm not. I've never had, like, a dog of my own, so I. It's not something I've done, but, like, it is something they sell.

[Kevin Clancy]

They exist for. Really.

[John Feits]

They exist.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I think it's like, you're a. A worse owner if you need to resort to that or whatever. But I. But I think it's different. It's like every single day, I put this on you to make you stay still. It's. It's borderline to use it to correct bad behavior. It's to just correct, like, behavior that you don't like because it, like, affects your stream is nuts. But. So, yeah, I mean, I hate to repeat myself, but it is. Since I last talked about it, these. This is what happens where. And I don't like that element of it where it's like with something like this, put the receipts out. People need to know, you know. But when you have a bad day, a bad moment, a big up, and then it's just like, now we're gonna dig up all your others, that, that sucks, you know, so it's like fine line between, you know, when that's quote unquote allowed or good or not. But the thing with this is it's not like, it's not like I don't think there'll be like a case against him, but it's your reputation.

[John Feits]

Right, Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like, that's probably gonna stick with you forever.

[John Feits]

Yeah. Dog stuff.

[Kevin Clancy]

Dog stuff's tough, man. Dog stuff is tough, dude. And even if it's like.

[John Feits]

But that's also the part of the sickness of this dog culture we live in is just the fact that he was like, I'll do this and people will think it's awesome.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like that probably people probably having a dog.

[John Feits]

Just having a dog in the shot at all.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Feits]

Like just the very fact that he thought like, I will be better if I have a dog here is this like Tito's like vodka for dog people?

[Kevin Clancy]

What does that even mean?

[John Feits]

What does that mean? God damn it.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're just, you're just riding that way. But that's also why I think it's, if you're going to make your, your bread off of like, I'm the dog guy.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Then if you up with your dog, you do deserve to kind of lose it all, you know what I mean? It's like you were using it as a, as a pawn and now it's going to also be your downfall. That's the breaks, bro. But, but that, and that's where I feel society has actually gotten it pretty right in that whether it's a politician or a talk show host or a streamer or whatever, you are shitty to people who are can't defend themselves or on a lesser level than you experience, money wise, whatever. It seems to be the one thing that all of society still has the right compass, moral compass on.

[John Feits]

I think that compass has been corrected as of late. I think for a while there we were encouraging bad behavior.

[Kevin Clancy]

When you say then, like when, when do you mean then? Just like the last hundred years or something?

[John Feits]

No, like I would say the last decade or so. Like I, I, I, I actually completely disagree. I think like being a bully has been a good thing. I think like people like, like people like not treating people like their people. People like.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think what you're saying is correct. Until you're like, caught in 4K on video and like, that for sure.

[John Feits]

But, like, I think very largely, like, this is just my opinion. I don't know. But, like, I, I feel like societally it's been like, let's be bullies and let's bully smaller people.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I can definitely see, like, individuals.

[John Feits]

I mean, like, or I guess, let me say this, bullies are rewarded very often.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah. But that I also think is just kind of like, has been life for a long time is like.

[John Feits]

I don't know. I, I, I, I think you've said that recently where it was like, like the, not, not recently, but, like, I've just heard people say it where it's like, nice guys finish last. And I, I, I wholeheartedly disagree with that, and I don't think it's true at all.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh. As I get older, I believe in that more and more.

[John Feits]

See, I think nice guys, he's like.

[Kevin Clancy]

A nuanced way, though. I don't think it's like, if you're nice, you're never gonna have, like, success, but I think it's like, if you want to be the top, that, that's my distinction. I think if you want to be like, the top of your field, you probably got to be like a bully boss or cut some throats or whatever.

[John Feits]

To, like, we know so many who aren't, like, who just like, like, I, I mean, like, we were just out in LA with teams of people who, like, as far as I know, have never been an. And are just, like, always nice when I'm around.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

And, and people who work for them. Bert's a good example, very highly of them. Santino, like, there's a lot of people where I, I think, I think the nice guys finish last thing is often, like, people like, like, nice guys. Does that make sense? Like, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

No.

[John Feits]

But you know how, like, it's a different, like how, like, on the Internet, it's referred to a different way, like, oh, he's a nice guy. Like, like, there's like a Reddit account, like a Reddit page, like a performative R slash nice guys. Yeah, I think those kind of nice guys finish last. Well, like, if you're a nice guy who, like, you expected to be reciprocated.

[Jackie]

Reciprocated.

[John Feits]

I think that finishes last because it's.

[Kevin Clancy]

Almost like naive guys finish last because.

[John Feits]

If it's not reciprocated right away, you turn it off and you're like, it. If you were just like, a person who just, like, you're just not like, I don't know, people like being around nice people. Yeah, like, that's a.

[Jackie]

Something nice that's not bitter towards the world. Like. Like there's a lot of, like, nice guy complexes.

[John Feits]

And that's what I mean. Those nice guys, you finish last. But if you're just like a regular nice person. But I don't.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't think, like, I think when it comes. I think that's often used a lot of times in, like, romantic situations. And I. I do think there's some truth to that. I think that girls will. Will often go for, like, the. The wrong guy or the bad guy until they, I think, like younger girls too.

[Jackie]

And then.

[Kevin Clancy]

Then you have your epiphany. But, like, if you're that age and it's a long period of time where it's like, I. I do. I can see in that world where it's like being really nice and attentive and going over the top, girls get the ick and like, that there is some truth to that. I feel like. And then I also feel like in a. In a professional setting, it's not necessarily that you have to be like an. But I feel like if you are nice, like, people just. It's almost like the accountability thing. I was saying with the refs, it's like if there's a little bit of punishment or something looming, like, you'll. You get in line faster, quicker and more efficiently than if you're like, I'm just gonna do this for the right reasons, you know?

[John Feits]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

So, like, and that involves somebody being like, fucking putting an axe over your head, being like, this will fall if you don't do it, you know? But I think there's a difference between, like, being a bully and being like that. Yeah, the lines start to get blurred. But I think in general, being tougher, any. Any range of being like a tough boss or a tough whatever, ranging up to like, a problematic bully or whatever, I think you just get more control and response and all that sort of shit as you get tougher.

[Jackie]

I also think that nice people get their slower and by the time. And then it's much easier if you, like, are a little bit more vapid and, like, don't care about what other people think to get to the top. But then. So then the nicer people, like, it takes them a while to get there, and by the time they would get there, they're probably weeded out because they're just like, this is.

[Kevin Clancy]

This feels vapid, but it's also like.

[John Feits]

Like what is the top?

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[John Feits]

And, and who wants to like, you know what I mean? Like, where is the top?

[Jackie]

Well, it's.

[John Feits]

If you want to be at the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Top, like Ellen as an example, where it's like, I think Ellen probably was being piece of. But I think that like that that's a job that the money and the ratings and like the, the, the whole spec. Like the whole spectrum of that job is a lot, you know, And I don't think that you're getting to that level by being like, hey, we just all have a good time here and like, it's a great experience, you know.

[John Feits]

So in that case, then I guess like, that would just be a level.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, like I, I get to.

[John Feits]

If we're talking about the top is like the very literal top, like the tippity top day, daytime television, 20 million viewers, all that shit. Like that would be like, well, yeah, you don't even want to be there.

[Kevin Clancy]

But so I think it just kind of, it scales up like the more you are that I think the higher you can go and you kind of pick your own ceiling.

[Jackie]

Like, I almost feel like even in terms of CEOs, like, the guy who's going to be the hard ass is going to be more likely to get the CEO position rather than somebody who has like a quiet respect amongst everybody. Probably has the same level of influence amongst everyone in the company. But like the perception. The perception, but like it takes a long time to build that. So it's just like. And then by the time, I don't know.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know what I also think it is, is if you do it that way, you are more prone to a downfall. You know what I mean?

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So it's like you might get there faster, but you're also going to lose it one day because as soon as you slip up a little bit, there's a army of people being like, I got a story, I got a video. You know? Whereas it's like, all right, this took me 20 years, but over the last 20 years I have amassed nothing but like friends and colleagues and peers that would go to bat for me.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And so when. But the, that middle 10 years where you're like, what the, man? It's like, hopefully it. They actually, it's in this sense, it's probably the, the wrong phrase. Nice guys at the finish line, I think are. They might finish first.

[John Feits]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But nice guys in the middle of the race get their ass kicked.

[John Feits]

That's what the story should be. But that's also like on nice guys to be like, yeah, dude, it's. Yeah, right. Like, like, yeah. If you, if you could just turn.

[Kevin Clancy]

A switch and do it.

[John Feits]

If you're like, if you're a nice guy and you're 10 years in and you're like, this isn't working, then, like, you're probably not really a nice guy. Yeah, right.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

Again, like, it's performative.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's. You're. You're doing.

[John Feits]

It's actually nice guys. You're only nice because people are being nice and they've stopped being nice for this 10 year period. So now you're like, I'm. So you're not really nice.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're.

[John Feits]

Again, you're a nice guy.

[Kevin Clancy]

But flip side, I, I also think you can say, like, I. If someone says, like, yo, for the next 10 years, I am like in career mode. Like, let's say you're an athlete or something, or you have like a prime that, like, is gonna expire, you know, and if you're like, for the next 10 years, I am running a tight ship. I don't think that's wrong either.

[John Feits]

No.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't think it might result in, like, I had to fire somebody. I have to yell at somebody. People are afraid of me. But if it's almost like I'm. You're upfront about it, you know, if you, like, hire someone, like, we're gonna have a great, great team.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Cracking the whip. That's not. That's up. But if you're like, yo, come here. We. I want to be Ellen. I want the top. Here's what we got to do to get there. And you sign up for that. And it's like we just said before, it's about if the private and public is a difference. You know, if you're upfront with everything, then I don't necessarily think you're a. That shouldn't be bad. It shouldn't be nice and, and mean or right and wrong and good or bad. It should be like levels of. I don't know what the word is, but like toughness or whatever, you know, because then I, I think you, you can be really like business oriented and results oriented. And that doesn't mean you're like, bad or wrong, you know, But I, Yeah, I think it's kind of. It kind of boils down to like, definitions of nice and all that sort of. But. But it is, it's interesting too. It's like what I would always think. Yeah. Like if, if I. You could say, do you want to be Ellen? You Want the level of Ellen's success? Yes. Does it come with that? I would genuinely say no.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, I would not want that, you know? And when is enough enough? Logan Paul had on, you know that girl Camila Arugo, she is like, she looks a lot like Katy Perry. I think in my mind she's like one of the top only fans girls.

[John Feits]

Dude. I saw a tweet yesterday that Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau were spotted on her yacht.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

And. And it just didn't sit right with me.

[Kevin Clancy]

In what regard?

[John Feits]

It like, just like, Katy Perry yacht. Like, the math checks out. I understand it. Like, she of course, has.

[Kevin Clancy]

You don't think she should be on a yacht?

[John Feits]

Of course. Got plenty of money for a yacht. But I read Katy Perry yacht, and I was like, what the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Katy Perry is an interesting one, though. That, like, I. I totally agree with you. But also if you went through like, her hits of like, she deserves a.

[John Feits]

Exactly what I mean.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

No, the math checks out. Katy Perry deserves a yacht. But those three words in succession, like, hang on.

[Kevin Clancy]

It really? I. I've said it before. Like, that Manny being Manny type of treatment is the best thing that can happen to you as a person in the spotlight. And the opposite is the worst.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, and Katy Perry has done some tone deaf. And it sounds like she's actually done some up. There's that weird thing where she, like, bullies old people with real estate. Have you heard that?

[John Feits]

She.

[Kevin Clancy]

She like, has. He's like a predatory real estate investor that has, like, ruined the lives of a bunch of senior citizens. And then there was the thing with Kesha where she was like, please don't work with the guy who raped me. And she was like, nah, I'm good.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So there's some, like, there is some distasteful. But mostly it's that she just rubs people the wrong way and man does that. Like, she's obviously on a yacht, puts out hits, gets to go to space. She's living fine. But I bet you if. If. If I don't know, if it was me, I'd be like, how about you take like a hundred million dollars off my net worth? And people like me, I would sign for that in a heartbeat.

[John Feits]

I. I agree. But like, this is the difference between them and them and us.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, they don't. They don't care.

[John Feits]

Katy Perry doesn't know what's going on in her mention. Yeah, yeah, Katy Perry, I'm sure she gets like, hey, Katie, everyone's mad about.

[Kevin Clancy]

She's like, yeah, whatever.

[John Feits]

Dude, sounds good.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I always wonder, though, like, do big celebrities know that, like, who in their team is telling them?

[John Feits]

No, they, They're. If I had to guess, someone is telling them.

[Kevin Clancy]

General feedback.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

And the general feedback is. You got to be honest about that, where you're like, it's not good.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think it's pretty tough to also not have any unless you are, like, unplugged. But if you're young enough that you are, like, on your phone, and I think it's pretty hard to be, like, completely oblivious to what people are saying about you, you might not know, Like, I'm not sitting there reading tweets or something, but I think if you're on, like, social media at all, you've come across enough to know. Like, do you think Katy Perry goes home being like, Like, I am one of the most beloved pop stars?

[John Feits]

No.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. I think she knows, but, like, I.

[John Feits]

Think that's from her team is like, I, I, I speaking for me. I, I, I've maybe seen. But I.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're two or three tweets, you're always pretty.

[John Feits]

In the last outlier three years. And I, I use the stuff I'm on the stuff I. You just don't. It's pretty easy to. I, I've absolutely seen stuff, but, like, I really have not. Like, yeah, I'm pretty goddamn in the dark.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I guess if once you reach a point, like I always tell people.

[John Feits]

Mike, if you read Instagram's the hard one. Instagram, sometimes you hit that little heart on the top, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

And they'll be like, right away.

[John Feits]

Comments on, like, on a picture you were in.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feits]

So Instagram. I'll catch them sometimes, but, like, it's not that hard to avoid.

[Jackie]

I'm sure that they catch, like, the, the fan that goes up to them. That's like, I know everyone hates you, but I love you.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that happens to us. That's happening, happening. You know, I was. I was talking with the Taylor Watch girls about Taylor, and they were like, she doesn't see any of this stuff. And I was like, I just don't believe that. I don't think Taylor Swift sits there reading all of her tweets. I think you reach a point where the sheer volume is impossible. Yeah. Many followers, folks.

[John Feits]

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[Kevin Clancy]

I think if, like, especially someone like Taylor, who's young enough and she's pretty plugged in. Just the way she talks, like she knows what's going on. You know what I mean? It's not like she's some like. Like when you hear like, like Killian Murphy's the guy that came to mind. He seems like he's pretty removed from everything.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think you could ask Kelly Murphy, like, what's tick tock? And he'd be like, I don't know what that is.

[John Feits]

Yeah. And I would believe him.

[Kevin Clancy]

But like, Taylor Swift seems to be like a plugged in person. I think she knows that people are hating. Life of a showgirl.

[John Feits]

See, I don't even know that. I just learned that. What'd you think?

[Kevin Clancy]

I liked it.

[John Feits]

Yeah, you did. I knew you.

[Kevin Clancy]

I like two of the songs because. But my first run through, I really did not like it.

[John Feits]

And then. Did you listen to it on the plane?

[Kevin Clancy]

I listened to it, yeah. And then I listened on the plane. I was like, it's got some good songs. And then I. I was out that weekend. It was being played at most of the bars and everyone's like, this is a good one too. This is going to. But overall, like, like, my first time listening, I was like, oh, it's just. Okay, We've gotten to the point now that she's never going to be able to reach.

[John Feits]

But like, they think, like. And we're gonna get back to that in a second. Like, my. My take on the album is. It's. It's awesome. I love it. I genuinely do. Like, I actually like it way better than Torture Poets. I like it way better than midnights. But it's funny, like, everyone to get mad about it because, like, I've been watching like keegs and stuff like that and actually not watching. I've been texting with keegs and I was like, like, I was like, isn't it awesome though, that, like, they don't even get it. I was like, in a month you're gonna know every song and you're gonna like every song, it's happened. Exactly.

[Kevin Clancy]

Look what you made me do on Reputation. Everyone hated it and now it's like a bop and people love it.

[John Feits]

And Max Martin did the whole thing. Like, it's, you're gonna hear the song of this album a lot. I, I genuinely, really, really like it. But that's not what we're talking about.

[Kevin Clancy]

My, my problem with Taylor right now is, and it's only gotten worse is time has gone on. Is the, like the newest thing where she re released it with the voice notes at the beginning. Yeah, I just, like, it just, it's not, it's, she's not doing anything wrong. My argument is just that. And she also has every right to not care about this. And maybe she doesn't even know what's going on. But if, if there was one thing that you did want to control and not give them ammo, I would relax with putting out 50,000 things for people to buy because it just does come across as, you have enough money, you don't need more of this. It might be a record label forcing them to do it. Everyone else does do it. It's not like she's, again, she could just go, well, you don't say that about her. You don't say that about him. That's all. Correct. I'm just saying from my point of view, if I was a billionaire and this successful, I would say people are hating on me for everything. Let's not give them this consumerism, billionaire excess thing.

[John Feits]

You know, that is, it's, I, I think that is one of the few fair criticisms of Taylor. But it also, like, like we've been in like barstool again, it's different time, all that. But like, you just, you're, you're a capitalist company. Like, you're just making, to sell. You don't have to buy it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feits]

You don't have to watch it. You don't like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[John Feits]

If you want, if you want to buy it, buy it. If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it. Like, that's a very fair response to that. But it is, it does seem a little money grubby.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

Just like you're not even money grubby. But it feels too big. Like it feels like you're a company rather than you're an artist.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. And, and even I've seen people mad that she's selling at Target because they did the DEI thing. Taylor's had a deal with Target for like 20 years. I, I, what's the DEI thing Target, the Target CEO came out and this is like a year ago, I think, and was like, we're done with dei. Like, specifically was like, not only are we not hiring them, it seemed like he was like, I don't want black people working for us. Came across really bad and a lot of minorities boycotted. And like, it worked like, Target is down like the last year or so.

[John Feits]

Oh, really? A lot.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I think they. They took a real hit because he was like, dei and. And then so people are like, we don't job at Target. What's she doing? It's like, as far as I know, I think she's been like, target exclusive, like, her whole career.

[John Feits]

Yeah, I'm on the Blackout tour, going to Target. I take the truck to go to Target to go get the Red Album. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like, so that. That is probably a deal I would imagine is so lucrative and such a big deal that she probably has, like, equity in. In Target. And. But I also don't think she can make decisions about their DEI hiring. So now all of a sudden, it's like we're blaming the target CEOs decisions. We're blaming Taylor Swift for that. Right. A lot of it just gets out of control. But this goes into the whole reason I brought this all up. I mentioned that only Fans girl, she was on Logan's show. She's talking about she makes $2.5 million a month. And. But this girl's also very articulate, very well spoken. So when she does these interviews, it's like, it's more. It's not just like a brain brainless. Like, yeah, I get for money. Yeah. And she said, she's like, I'm pretty religious and I have a lot of guilt about this. And. And I think that that guilt is a sign that I'm not like, so far gone, that there's still a little part of me that knows that this is kind of wrong and taboo and all that. And Logan said to her, then why don't you stop? Like, when's enough enough? You make $2.5 million a month. Like, she was like, my goal is to make 10 million a month. But if there's a part of you that's like, I don't really like what I'm doing, you could have stopped probably a long time ago. Yeah, same thing with Taylor Swift. You don't need to sell all that, Ellen. You don't need to be so rich and powerful that you're on all these people, like, when's enough enough? And I think that there's just a clear type of person where it's like, I want, I want a lot, but I would draw the line.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I think there's other people that just keep going no matter what.

[John Feits]

You know, I mean, I get, they say money's addicting. Like, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Because it's not even, yeah, it's not the money. It's like the, when it, when it becomes the marker for success, I just want to be, I want to be considered the most successful. That's an honorable thing. But when it, that's defined by money, it becomes like, you need to do all these things for money.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, but I, I don't know what my number would be where, like, I would stop if it's like, I feel like I've done pretty well while not being an asshole to people. If you told me I could make more by being a little tougher, like, I, I, I know for sure there would be a point where I'd be like, no, like, for sure. Yeah. But, but I, I, I think that the people who don't do that can't even, like, admit, like, would never say that. I think they'd be like, no, I want it all. You know what I mean? I think that's a very, you're either that or you're not that. I don't know. Or maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. Maybe people get a taste of it and they become that. I don't know. You think that that's like a, in you or. Once I'm in this situation, I find out who I am.

[John Feits]

Once you're in it.

[Kevin Clancy]

You think so?

[John Feits]

I think so, because I feel like.

[Kevin Clancy]

I know that about myself already. We always say it's the same thing as the Saudi Arabia.

[John Feits]

Like, money on the table is different.

[Kevin Clancy]

Very different. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I could. Like, to me, the money on table.

[John Feits]

Is not the money on the table. The money on the table is the promise of that money and what that's going to bring you and your family and stuff like that.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's also 50, because I'm sure it comes a point with these people and this might be giving them too much credit, but, like, you get so big, you're no longer just taking care of yourself. You have an economy now. You have 1700 employees.

[John Feits]

And that's the thing. Yeah, I have 10 albums.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

I'm not getting, Yes, I, she is getting the money, but, like, I have a team of 500 people.

[Kevin Clancy]

And then, and the record labels are like, we have a team of 50,000 people. And if you don't sell. If you don't sell all these variants, like, it trickles down all the way. Right.

[John Feits]

Taylor's 10th album is the reason some indie album gets made. Yes, like, exactly. Taylor's 10th.

[Kevin Clancy]

Now, I. I think that's also how these people defend it and rationalize it, but, like. Like, I'm true to it. Yeah.

[John Feits]

We were talking about that with the Saudi Arabia stuff because I. I've been learning more about it and talking to more people about it and. And my opinion on it's kind of changed. My opinion's always been, I wouldn't do it, but do whatever the you want.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't care. Yeah.

[John Feits]

And it seems that is still my opinion. I probably wouldn't do it. But like, we were talking about the money of it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

And the money of. It's nowhere near what I thought it was. The money of. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a nice night. But like, I thought it was 15, $20 million. Like, I. I was going off the idea that Dave and Dan sitting at a. At a boxing match gets 10. So Louis CK was performing is like.

[Kevin Clancy]

And you go for a week and you're like, yeah, yeah.

[John Feits]

So I had these.

[Kevin Clancy]

So even numbers, Top dogs are.

[John Feits]

No, there's all variants and stuff.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, is anybody getting in the millions?

[John Feits]

I think the pretty. I think largely. Very, very largely. I think there were. There were a couple of people in the millions. A very couple. If you look at the post, you can guess.

[Kevin Clancy]

Low millions. Huh? Like low million, Low millions. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Wait, but what do you mean that you thought that. Were they not getting 10 million?

[John Feits]

No, they were getting like a couple hundred grand. Oh, yeah. And that. And that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Drastically. Like, Tom Cigar. I remember being like, look around the room tonight. I make a surgeon's salary in this night.

[John Feits]

And that's.

[Kevin Clancy]

So that's like around 200 grand.

[John Feits]

Like, that's what kind of changed my opinion because it's like, you're not getting hush money. You're just getting what you've. It's probably your best night of the year. It's not a regular.

[Kevin Clancy]

At the end of the day when you break it down by like, I went on stage for 40 minutes.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes. It's a boatload of money. It's when everything else comes along with it. I don't think it's worth it, but it's.

[John Feits]

No, but like, I would have been turned off as a. A guest best if they were like, we'll give you $20 million. I've been like, why are you giving.

[Kevin Clancy]

Me that much money?

[John Feits]

But if this is like we'll give you your biggest night of the year. Okay, that's about fair.

[Kevin Clancy]

But like, but even, even that what comes with like the reputational hit.

[John Feits]

If I genuinely believed in it, which I think I kind of do like, I, I very well. I hear the arguments that comics are making whether like you don't like the government, the p. We did a show for the people.

[Kevin Clancy]

The people doing the same jokes like America.

[John Feits]

I didn't do a show at the Palace. I'm sure there's, there's, they had behind the scenes.

[Kevin Clancy]

Who's paying the check though, that I.

[John Feits]

I actually, that's, the check is coming from the palace.

[Kevin Clancy]

So that's all.

[John Feits]

But I actually think that's okay. I'm okay with that. I think if you're doing the show for the people and like, yeah, I'm not okay with that. I'm not taking it. But like I get it more on.

[Kevin Clancy]

The, on the like literal.

[John Feits]

Again, never offered it or anything like that. I'm just speaking as a total normal person.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, of course. I, I think though that's what sports washing and now comedy washing is. It's like we make it about the people but they have different motives. You know what I mean? Yes. It's like on a surface level what happened tonight. I went to this city and I performed for these people who are normal people from a different country. But the inner mechanism is like I was paid a lot of money by these people who do up things and want their frontward facing reputation as their country to be this. Yeah, that's where, that's, that's the problem.

[John Feits]

It is, it's. Look, I'm sure everyone did it for the money and I'm sure that's, and that's fine to do.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh no. Bill Burr did it for the experience. Yeah, that quote, that, that soundbite from Bill was tough.

[John Feits]

But I also like, I, I, I, I, I, I actually haven't listened to it yet because I went to listen to it but it was locked still. But he was on Conan last week and I'd really like, I don't know when it becomes available on Spotify. It's weird. Like he's got more recent episodes available but the Burr episodes locked still and I don't know. It must work for subscribers. No, because it's for like subscribers, I think, I think Spotify has like a Patreon.

[Kevin Clancy]

So that's like a. We know you want to listen to the Bill Burr one. But you can't do it until you subscribe.

[John Feits]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Got it, got it.

[John Feits]

So I think this is kind of like their Patreon. I'm sure it'll be out public at some point, but I liked a lot of the quotes I was reading from Bill where, like, he's. I mean, Bill's. I think Bill's funny in the sense where he's just like. He's like, yeah. I don't know if it affects my career, I'll stay at home for a few years. I don't really care.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. About doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, it was an amazing experience. And like, I. I bet again, from a literal point of view of, like, I. I went to this culture, a bunch of people I've, like, never performed in front of, they. They loved it. I realized how much comedy is universal. All that, I think, is definitely true. God bless you. Nope.

[Jackie]

Thank you.

[Kevin Clancy]

That. I don't think that's what people. I don't think when people were mad about this, it was not about the people. I think they know. I think people do know that. That it's like, what you're literally doing is for the people. I think people get that. The general public understands that.

[John Feits]

Oh, really? I didn't realize it was just, like, for, like, the regular people. I thought it was like, for, like, the Saudis and, like, they're. Oh.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, in the audience, where they were.

[John Feits]

Gonna be those, like, selected people. I didn't realize it was just, like, you could buy a ticket and show up.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, I mean, I. I guess that's a good distinction to make, but I never thought the crowd was gonna be the issue. I think it's the people putting it on and like. Yeah, because that quote from Bill Burr was like. There was. It was a video where it was like, before and after, and it was pretty stark because there were some comedians who. I guess. I don't remember this, but some comedians performed for Gaddafi.

[John Feits]

I don't remember.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't remember that. But they. He was like, yeah, you're gonna go perform for Gaddafi. Like that. And then the next quote was like, I'm going to Saudi Arabia. But if it was like one of those weird, like, I'm renting you out for the night and you're performing for Gaddafi.

[John Feits]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's a different story. Yeah, I took that to mean Gaddafi put on a show like this. But if it was like, I. Me and my harem of women are going to get a private performance, then that's a different story. So yeah, that is an important distinction. But I, I do think ultimately that's why it's kind of sneaky and insidious is like we're gonna put up this front of we have wrestling fans, we're comedy fans, we're, you know, and we're paying you and we're funding all of this to become, while we go, you know, be a dictatorship.

[John Feits]

I, I, I really don't have like a real opinion on it because it's just, it's, it's admittedly a tricky situation.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

You know, like, I don't think anyone who went to piece of like anything.

[Kevin Clancy]

Else in the Middle east where it's like, I don't know, I, my thing at the end of the day is I, I still, I was super firmly would go, thought it over a little bit more. Understand? I still would go, but you just have to understand what's going on. You can't do it and not expect blowback or whatever. Like, some people are like, can you believe these people are upset? It's like, yes, I can believe that. Yeah, people get upset about everything. But there's actually a pretty valid reason to get upset about this. So I would go, but I just, I would be like, I'm gonna get flamed for like a year, maybe six months, maybe my whole career.

[John Feits]

But I guess my question ends up being like, why is it a bigger deal? I guess because they're like anti cancel culture and stuff like that. Or at least we put that on to them. Well, here's what, like, why is it different than wwe? Why is it different?

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, yeah, I've definitely people being like, yo, wrestling's been doing this for years and we didn't have a problem. Yeah, they did have a problem. It just wasn't as high scale because I think wrestling is still kind of a niche.

[John Feits]

Same thing as like, like I, I get that there was the pushback, but then like we stopped caring. Like, does anyone give a, about like money from.

[Kevin Clancy]

I, I sat down with Tim Miller from Bulwark and he, he had a, he had a point that just like opened my mind. He was like, if the Democratic Party of America had a comedy festival and paid all these same people, but you signed paperwork saying like, but you can't make fun of the Democratic Party party. They would never do that. And I think they would openly say they didn't do it. But I think the reason why is.

[John Feits]

I think that's a crazy, I actually don't really like that. That, like, yeah, no, it's America. Like, like we have a different standard of rule here.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, but if you're talking about like, from the point of view of comics who are like, free speech, we say whatever we want. Like, like comics very, I think very stereotypically, like blanket statement, don't let you tell, tell them what jokes they can tell.

[John Feits]

I think that's kind of like what you're saying about with Experts earlier. I think that's something we put on them. I think there's a lot of comics who will do a private show and they're like, don't do jokes about blank.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I'll go, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're right. But I think the ones that are like really frontward facing public and benefiting from this, like, recent wave are outspoken about freedom of speech and their jokes for sure.

[John Feits]

But like, but like, that's in America where we have free speech. They, I, I think that doesn't really correlate because like, this is in doing comedy in America, in my head is doing comedy in their house. And so like, we go by our rules. This is our house. We go into someone else's country, we're going to Europe. Like, these are your rules. Like, they go to England, there's different rules. You know, you do a show in London, you got different rules on what you can say on stage. There's hate speech laws. There's like, you got, you're in their house, you gotta speak.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, but I, I think if they're. It sounds to me like the only thing I've heard is that like, it's not like they couldn't joke about women or religion. It was like, you just can't talk about the royal family and like the bad people of Saudi Arabia. Yeah, that I think.

[John Feits]

But like, when you go, when you go somewhere you like, you adhere to their rules.

[Kevin Clancy]

I guess so. I, I think it's more the idea of like, if you're going to be like, you can't tell me what to joke about over here, but over here you can. That's going to feel hypocritical to people.

[John Feits]

Yeah, but like, but in, like in England, I'm sure many comics have to change their sets.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, what are the rules in England?

[John Feits]

Just, I hate speech is a crime in England. And, and I, I'm sure there's stuff that comics say on stage in America that is at least borderline in England. Never mind, I'm gonna drop that joke.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I guess it's interesting.

[Jackie]

Can you like hate speech for the government or just like hate speech for anything?

[John Feits]

About minority. Like, there's. There's, like, people have gone to jail from tweets and stuff.

[Jackie]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

I mean, it's extreme. It's not like, you know, yeah, I'm not walking around England worried I might get arrested for hate speech, but, like, there are laws on what you can say.

[Kevin Clancy]

I just don't know if I think his point was more like their reasoning again. I mean, we're also. This is all speculating. I don't know. Maybe they would all sign up and be like, okay, fine. I think that they would say no to that because they would benefit with their base of. Of Republicans.

[John Feits]

I think that's more.

[Kevin Clancy]

And that.

[John Feits]

And they say no because of the good press.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I think that at the end, like, the whole thing boils down to comics, wrestlers, performers, whatever, are just doing what's best for their business, their money. And if there's a way to benefit. If you could. If saying no to Saudi Arabia somehow sold you more tickets and made you more popular, they all would have done it Right. But unfortunately, we live in a world where that doesn't. But saying no to the Democratic Party in America, which is far less bad than the royal family of Saudi Arabia, does not. You don't benefit from it. So they're not.

[John Feits]

But I also. I completely agree in that hypothetical situation, if the Democratic Party said, dude, here's jokes, but don't say, like, yeah, say no to that. That's insane. We're in America.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, but I. I don't think that's why they. I don't think it would be. I think their reasoning would be more about their free speech and their. How they benefit than, like, the country's rules.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, Problems?

[Jackie]

No. Okay, sorry. I almost feel like I justify more like a comedian going and doing a set in Saudi Arabia where it's just like, that's. I mean, it's not great, but that's their job. That's what they're paid to do. Versus, like, I feel like, didn't I. Maybe I made this up, but didn't Dave and Dan, like, sitting there and, like, almost being influencers and, like, having to post, being like, I'm here almost like, influencing people to be like, you guys should all come, rather than, like, yeah, you should come here, do your job, do what we're paying you to do. Well, I feel like I could justify that more.

[Kevin Clancy]

I thought if you just go into your jokes and get out. I know some of the guys did that, but then I also saw the Chappelle and Chris rocking those guys doing that, like, their customs. And it was like, oh, they're like living there for a week. And I'm sure that is maybe, it's maybe not making it back over to America, but like, in other places, it's like, look at, look, Dave Chappelle came here like, everything was all good and, and like, you're really kind of co signing. It feels like their country for like a week, not just like this one event.

[John Feits]

I did, I did love Cigar opposing everything.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[John Feits]

Tom does not get involved. Cigar is posting full on. On Riyadh Comedy Festival. He's got comments in, in Arabic. He had the greatest time. That's funny, man. He's a comedian. That's funny.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's also the way to do it. It's kind of like everything we've been saying about being, like, authentic, it's like the people who are, who want to criticize this and cancel and all that, they're going to set their sights on the person they know is a little bit uneasy about this.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. They're like, I said yes, but should I, shouldn't I have? Oh, no. What if I was wrong and it's like, we're gonna prey on that guy and we're gonna, like, you know, ruin him. You can't, you can't say anything, Tom Cigar, that's gonna make you care about this. You can't stop him. He's not getting canceled. He's not losing his business. He's still making money. He's. It's better to just be like, I am Saudi Arabian.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like that. That's the way to handle it.

[John Feits]

I, I think when we first talked about it, I don't think we're about the real comedy Fest, but I think we're talking about the Dave and Dan thing. And I was like, yeah, I wouldn't go for like $10 million, I don't think, because that would kind of weird me out. I'd go, if you were like, yo, you want to come have a beer and a dog and watch a game? I'd be like, yeah, that'd be pretty cool experience, like a culture. I, I fully, I'm fully on that.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't think you're eating a dog over there.

[John Feits]

If they were like, if they were.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, you probably would eat a real dog over there before you're like, yo.

[John Feits]

Yo, come on over, get you a beer, do a couple jokes. I'd be like, I'll be there in an hour.

[Kevin Clancy]

Maybe you are gonna get an invite.

[John Feits]

I'LL be there.

[Kevin Clancy]

Maybe. Sony, Raven's gonna be like, well, listen, he's not Louis ck, but we can get a decent amount of influence for a hot dog.

[John Feits]

No big deal. Speaking of hot dogs, last night I was at the Rangers game, and I got a dog between the second and.

[Kevin Clancy]

Third period to a preseason hockey game.

[John Feits]

No, that's right. It was season.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, ready?

[John Feits]

Hockey season started, and I was getting a dog between the second and third period. And so when I was in Spain, they had. They made these hot dogs that were just unbelievable.

[Kevin Clancy]

In Spain?

[John Feits]

Yeah, they would. I'd come home. It's like, just standard, like, meat cart kind of deal. And they would take, like, a hoagie or like. Like a roll of some kind, chop off the top, slide in this metallic thing that would just squeeze out, like, a perfect hot dog shape of bread.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh.

[John Feits]

And then into it, they squeeze ketchup, mustard, relish. And then they slide the dog in, and you walk home eating it. And it's just the best. But I always think about that. I'm always like, God, I love a hot dog with mayonnaise on it. But I'm never around mayonnaise and a hot dog at the same time. So yesterday, I'm getting my dog, squeezing some mustard on it. Right next to the mustard is mayonnaise. And I'm like, I'm doing it. Whatever. Who cares? It's right here.

[Jackie]

It.

[John Feits]

And I squeeze the mayonnaise on, and I look to my right, and there is a woman looking at me just downright horrified. And I was just like, well, you're welcome. You have something to talk about for the third period now. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like. Like, she laughed, and I was like. I was like, I swear to God, it's good. And I was walking back to my seat, and the guys I was walking. Walking in front of, we're like, yo, what is that? And I was like, trust me. It's the best hot dog ever. I hadn't had it in 25 years. Not good. It was the best hot dog ever eaten in my life. It is. If you're not putting mustard on dogs, you're missing out.

[Kevin Clancy]

Mayo.

[John Feits]

Mustard.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm sorry.

[John Feits]

Yeah, mustard and mayo. Mustard and mayo. Both of them.

[Jackie]

I had.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, that's. But wait, mustard and mayo is Dijon, right? Or something like that. Is it mustard and mayo?

[John Feits]

I think Dijon. Dijon. Spicy, I think.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Dijon's like a type of.

[John Feits]

This was. I did yellow mustard and mayonnaise.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's what I had. Okay. Yeah, that's probably a little different.

[Jackie]

I think you're thinking of like spicy mayo, mustard.

[Kevin Clancy]

Cuz it. But it's funny that if like, like if you put like ketchup and mustard. Ketchup and mayo is like kind of Russian dressing, Thousand Islands something, right? If you put that on something, like no big deal. I like you put ketchup and mayo. It feels differently, you know, like if you see someone doing it that way, it's just very, very different.

[Jackie]

I had a pretzel. It wasn't even an item on the menu. It just said the biggest pretzel you're ever gonna see in your entire life. That was just like on it. And I said, okay, well that's great marketing. Yeah. For the record, like I was picturing like, obviously this is the biggest pretzel you're gonna see in your entire life. I was picturing like a much bigger pretzel.

[Kevin Clancy]

I would say it has to be the size of this.

[Jackie]

So that's like a little underwhelmed. But like it was a big pretzel.

[Kevin Clancy]

What was it, like this big?

[Jackie]

It was probably like this big.

[Kevin Clancy]

Honestly, I've seen pretzels that big before.

[John Feits]

You're lying.

[Kevin Clancy]

This is false advertising.

[Jackie]

On my own. Yeah. It came out with four dips. So obviously I'm going for like the honey mustard type thing. And I'm going in that. And then at the end I'm filling up. I tried with ranch dressing. The best combination I've ever had my entire life, really. And I couldn't get enough. I was so full. I almost ended up eating the whole entire biggest pretzel you've ever seen. Because then I was just like, I gotta get more of this.

[Kevin Clancy]

I am a enormous fan of dipping sauce type items. Gyms where they're like. It comes with like eight sauces, I love that. And it's usually like French.

[Jackie]

It's like an activity. It's like a flight.

[Kevin Clancy]

And you get everything. And it's usually like French fries or like a pretzel where it's like. I know you're probably like, yeah, this is kind of surprising. But also it's like we're gonna take some like deep fried this or some carby bread that and we're gonna put all the sauces on it. Of course. That's. Yeah, yeah. It's like this is just a chewy, delicious way for me to get some ranch. Get some maple syrup.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, like that's when you get really nuts. So I've done fries. Flights of fries, basically. A sweet potato fry with maple syrup. Bonkers.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's like, I would never have done that unless.

[John Feits]

Sweet potato really gets activated by the sugar.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's why.

[John Feits]

Yeah, there's something. Buddy.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's physics, buddy.

[John Feits]

Try it with a fluffing Utter.

[Kevin Clancy]

I've never been a fluffernutter guy.

[John Feits]

Dude, you put a little fluffing uter on a sweet potato.

[Jackie]

Sweet potato.

[John Feits]

Oh, really?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Because they usually put, like, some marshmallow, right? And so this. Just add some peanut butter. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Have you ever done sweet potato milk Sugar?

[John Feits]

No.

[Jackie]

Sweet potato cereal.

[Kevin Clancy]

Sweet potato milk. Wait, like, sweet potato, like a whole sweet potato or, like, fries?

[Jackie]

Well, like, cut up sweet potato with.

[Kevin Clancy]

And you pour milk in it and then put what in it?

[Jackie]

Sugar.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's the.

[John Feits]

How about some cinnamon?

[Jackie]

Go nuts.

[Kevin Clancy]

You do whatever you want, bro.

[Jackie]

I actually do think that's part of the recipe.

[John Feits]

You were like, no, that's.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's a bridge too far.

[John Feits]

Can't put cinnamon in the milk. And potato.

[Jackie]

Shut it up.

[Kevin Clancy]

I am sure that is delicious. I will. You will never catch me.

[John Feits]

I'll eat that.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's disgusting.

[John Feits]

It sounds good.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

KFC radio homework. Try tonight.

[Kevin Clancy]

I got sweet. I got.

[Jackie]

Wait, let me make sure that's the recipe. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And again, you're just talking about, like, you pour, like, a bowl of milk, or you, like, whip it up and, like, you just have, like, a bowl of milk. Like, cereal.

[Jackie]

Chef's choice.

[Kevin Clancy]

But, like, what are you talking about?

[Jackie]

Like, a bowl of cereal.

[John Feits]

Like a bowl of milk.

[Kevin Clancy]

So, like, you did this yourself or you bought this, like, a restaurant once?

[Jackie]

My. My sister did it for me. I. I actually, she. I don't know if she. I think it's like, this sounds delicious, right?

[John Feits]

Sweet potato, like, chopped up, baked into a bowl. Milk in the bowl.

[Kevin Clancy]

Whose side are you on?

[John Feits]

Absolutely not.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay, I could again, I could take a bite of that. Be like, wow, that's way better than I thought. But I just will never be like, excuse me, sir, can I get a milk? The potatoes and the. I'm not an animal. You guys know the cookies, the holiday cookies that you can buy? Like, stop and shop? Oh, you hate them.

[Jackie]

Really?

[Kevin Clancy]

Wait, which ones? The ones that have, like, if it's, like, Halloween season, like, I bought the ghost ones last night. Oh, no.

[John Feits]

It's like a sugar cookie with a bunch of frosting on top.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's no frosting on top. They're all cooked. You cook them yourself.

[Jackie]

It's like the Pillsbury.

[Kevin Clancy]

I thought you were gonna say the Italian cookies that have the rainbow cookies. Oh, no, no, no. They're obviously better when they're not cooked. Oh, bro. If I buy cookie dough of any sort, I just eat that log. Exactly, yeah.

[Jackie]

Cookie dough. Just in general.

[Kevin Clancy]

I had five uncooked last night. How many do you think I can eat without getting sick? All of them? Yes.

[Jackie]

I think that's actually, there's like statistics.

[John Feits]

You work at the cdc.

[Kevin Clancy]

First of all, they make ones that are like, you can cook the Toll House cookies, bake them, but you can also just eat them straight up. And I think it's always been that way. Yeah, there's no, there's no. Like, first of all, that is like, it's not like they made that with like eggs and sugar. That is some synthetic that like Nestle is just churning out by themselves.

[John Feits]

The. Yeah, I, I think that like, what they're like, you get this raw egg, you might get food poisoning. And it's like, well, buddy, I've been eating this since I was six.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, you've also been getting food poisoning.

[John Feits]

I think I have.

[Kevin Clancy]

Twice a week.

[John Feits]

Well, I got really bad food poison. Oh, yeah. I, I shit my pants at Julian.

[Kevin Clancy]

Edelman's house as well.

[John Feits]

Week.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, John, while we're talking about food, I have a new development in my life in the food department that's getting out of control. First of all, I am full blown autistic when it comes to food. I like all of the. I, I get so obsessed with things and eat them. Like, and I read about it, it's like, oh, yeah, I've got that.

[John Feits]

That's my thing.

[Kevin Clancy]

I right now eat a minimum. Minimum of 110 Ritz crackers a week. Minimum.

[Jackie]

That doesn't sound, that sounds like a normal amount of weekly.

[John Feits]

I was gonna say 110 doesn't sound crazy.

[Kevin Clancy]

This is why I wanted to bring it up. Maybe you guys made me feel better about it. I've been buying. It comes in, it's called like Ritz stacks. And they're. Instead of like the long tube, it's like got little ones. And I think it has 11, 10 cracker stacks. And I am flying through those like every time I turn around. Like, there can't. I can't possibly be out of Ritz. I just bought this the other day and I, because I am on a massive adult Lunchables kick, I have prosciutto, goat cheese, Ritz crackers, and either one of those little pickles. Oh, I don't know how to pronounce that. It's a cornichons cornichons, you know, even. But it's like.

[John Feits]

I know what you mean.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Or I do it with this salt and pepper, this black salt and pepper cheese with some fig spread preserves.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So that's like my dinner these days. I. I'll eat just like 30 of those.

[Jackie]

That's like straight up sh. That's not even adult lunch. Well, that's.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, but it's my main meal. I don't do, like. I just. I'll have like a whole thing of prosciutto, a whole tube of. Of goat cheese, a whole thing of Ritz and all the pickles. And then my dessert these days, a little something sweet is I do Hershey bars on a Ritz. Like almost like a s'.

[John Feits]

More.

[Kevin Clancy]

But no, I'm not melting and all that. I just. It's just raw dog. It's like a frozen S', more, basically. So I'm having Ritz for dinner, I'm having Ritz for dessert, and I just. Ritz, Ritz, Ritz, Ritz. I'm just to the point that we. They emailed us the other day and they said, fill out this form about brands you like and things. And one of them was like, what snacks? And I was like, entamins and Haagen Dazs. And the thing is. And I was like, I gotta put Ritz on there. I'm a Ritz man, and I've always been a Ritz man. I just. Not to the tune of like several hundred a week, but I've always been a Ritz man. So I'm just happy to Ritz reach out. We could. We've got some sponsorship basically for free. I just want to be a Ritz man. Whether it's the little ones, whether it's the little. The peanut butter sandwiches or the cheese sandwiches or the big boys. I am. And you know what got me thinking? When I want the biggest Ritz. Have you ever seen your life? I want one Ritz. How cool would that be if I.

[John Feits]

Had a huge Ritz just eating like a.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like a manhole cover size?

[Jackie]

But I think that you immediately regret that. Ritz is a crumbly one. So Nature Valley Bar esque, you have a whole thing of that. It's gonna be falling on you. It's coming everywhere.

[Kevin Clancy]

You actually can't. You can really take a bite of that. You. I do the whole thing.

[John Feits]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I would like to try.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I would like to just see. I don't need to eat it. I want to, like, hang a giant Ritz.

[John Feits]

I'll Frame it almighty style. The biggest Ritz you ever seen.

[Jackie]

Well, why don't you like vlog? Trying to make the biggest Ritz.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, I don't make the Ritz, but I could. I got. I got to get my Ritz on. I got to, I got to. Yeah. Reach out, man. Show me the factory I'll make.

[John Feits]

Hell yeah, brother.

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Kevin Clancy]

I said that last thing. I just have one. One new thing that is like my new stupidest thing ever. I texted John about this. Remember when John didn't know that scarecrows are called scarecrows because they scarecrows? Remember when I didn't know that tortilla chips were made out of tortillas? The latest one. This is not as bad because I think John made me feel better about this because he didn't know either. But when you eat a steak, when you eat a rib eye steak, that's the meat coming from the ribs. I never thought that. I just never made that connection. Me neither.

[John Feits]

Yeah, it was just like, I wasn't like, oh, I thought it came from the head. I just like, I never even thought about it. But if pressed, I would have said like, I don't know, probably to ass.

[Kevin Clancy]

Your legs, your ass. Something like. It's. It's the rib meat and I just. I guess the. Aren't chicken wings. The ribs too. I don't. Riblets, whatever. You know it as soon as I. I've been watching on Instagram butchers who chop. It's very. It's one of those satisfying things. Chop it and spread it, whatever. And so I saw them. I can't hear the ribs. And I was like, oh. But I didn't. It's a ton of meat that we eat on the ribs. But I just didn't think we were eating the cow. I would have never been like, this steak I'm having is cow ribs. Would have never crossed.

[John Feits]

Never.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it's called ribeye.

[Jackie]

Weird that like chicken is the only one that's named after the animal. Like, didn't even try to disguise it. Chicken.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's a great point. Why don't we just call it cow pork steak?

[Jackie]

You know, pork is pork.

[Kevin Clancy]

They're pork.

[Jackie]

But like.

[Kevin Clancy]

But like, it'd be like calling it a pig. Yeah, it's a poultry, but they just don't say it. So they all have their words. But you wouldn't just be like, can I get a cow? An eight ounce cow. What about turkey?

[Jackie]

Shut up.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it's the birds in general then. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John Feits]

But Turkey's probably foul.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, but like, or yeah, what's the difference?

[Kevin Clancy]

What is poultry and foul? What's the difference?

[John Feits]

I don't know the difference. I, I would guess foul can fly.

[Kevin Clancy]

So if you eat an ostrich, you're eating, you're eating poultry. You think?

[John Feits]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

If you eat a penguin, what are you eating?

[John Feits]

Penguin will be poultry.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Because it can't fly. But I'm also thinking penguins, like, is that a fish? Start to get real, real weird.

[John Feits]

Yeah, it might be.

[Kevin Clancy]

It ain't a chicken, it ain't a bird, it ain't a fish. I don't thing, I mean, let's can eat whatever you want. As you said, dealer's choice.

[Jackie]

Do, do you think that like you we secretly like actually get crazy amounts of protein energy from human meat, but they just like don't tell us.

[Kevin Clancy]

Imagine if human meat was like the, the limitless drug, like get a taste for it. Like maybe it's like human bones, like.

[Jackie]

You actually do get a lot of energy. Like and it's an energy source.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I won't tell fossil fuels man, it all comes back to the dinosaur bones.