Khloé, Jen Atkin & the Stories You’ve Never Heard

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Khloé, Jen Atkin & the Stories You’ve Never Heard"

Khloé in Wonder Land – January 14, 2026
Host: Khloé Kardashian
Guest: Jen Atkin

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Main Theme & Purpose

This lively, candid episode features hair mogul Jen Atkin, one of Khloé Kardashian’s closest friends and longtime members of her glam team. The two reminisce about their history, industry evolution, wild adventures, entrepreneurship, personal loss, and the deep bonds formed in the worlds of glamour and reality TV. Through honest, often hilarious dialogue, they discuss resilience, growing up, professional respect, and the underrated importance of community and friendship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Glam Team Revolution & Celebrity Transparency

• First Behind-the-Scenes Shoutouts: Both recount how the Kardashians were the pioneers in publicly celebrating their glam teams, breaking with Hollywood tradition.
  • Jen Atkin: “You guys were the first to ever, ever, ever shout out your glam team.” (00:19, 19:29)
• Khloé: “No one would even acknowledge, like, you look this certain way, and you’re, like, so done. But everyone wanted the perception of—I woke up like this.” (19:29)

2. Friendship, Memories, and Wild Nights

• The episode is laced with inside jokes, loving roasting, and stories from their decades-long friendship.
• Recapping Kris Jenner’s Recent Birthday: Shared memories of wild parties and how they “paid the price for days.”
  • Jen: “It was a night of all nights. But you know what? Her Gatsby party was her 60th.” (01:55)
  • Khloé: “I was very, very drunk, and that’s because I was in the hospital with Lamar for months, and it was my first time [out].” (02:34)

3. Jen’s Backstory: From Mormon Utah to LA’s Glam Elite

Jen recounts her unique and unlikely path into hairstyling:

• Religious Upbringing: “I grew up very religious... we did not party… but then, okay, I discovered gay men… and drugs. No, I’m just kidding.” (05:05–05:31)
• Move to LA: Left the Mormon church at 19 with $300, a Honda Civic, and a best friend.
• Learning the Craft: “I studied people. I sat there and watched every salon, every haircutter and colorist…” (08:32)
• About Licensing and Grit: “I couldn’t afford hair school, so I did an apprenticeship at an occupational center… I worked in the salon three days, went to school the other days, hosted at night.” (08:58–09:22)
• Breakthrough Moment:
  • “I got booked to do all the dancers on Madonna’s tour. That was the first time I got to go all over the world.” (09:40–09:53)

4. Family, Pressure & Values

Both discuss the impact of strict, hardworking upbringings:

• Jen: “I always had a job. I was always taught the world didn’t owe me anything, that I needed to work for the things I wanted.” (11:07)
• Khloé: “All of our friends had credit cards or allowances, and my dad was like, an allowance for what? Go get a job and that’s your allowance.” (11:41)

5. Entrepreneurship, Brand Building, & Social Media Shifts

• Starting a Brand: Jen discusses the slow, doubted beginnings of OUAI, her haircare line, and the power of perseverance.
  • On Early Naysayers: “I was pitching them the idea of a digitally connected hair care brand... and he told me, ‘That's a great idea, but you're not famous enough, it’s not gonna work. Call us back in five years.’ Fuck you, Rip.” (18:46–18:57)
  • “We beat them in sales in probably five years. But I remember you telling me, you were like, hang up the fucking phone.” (18:57–19:10)
• Social Media’s Innocence:
  • Jen: “It was so innocent, too, back then.” (20:07)
  • Khloé: “Now it’s influencer overload. When we were doing it, you just did whatever you wanted.” (20:09)
• Learning from Failures: “You have to kiss a bunch of frogs, and then you find your prince, and that's okay. We just do it on a larger scale.” (20:37)

6. Professionalism & ‘Conscious Uncoupling’ in Business

• Jen’s graceful transition from full-time glam to entrepreneurship—ensuring Khloé was supported and set up for success:
  • Khloé: “I have never been treated with such respect... You set me up for success. Can this be a win-win?” (24:22)
  • Jen: “It wasn’t even a breakup. It was just moment... I felt so much guilt for leaving, but it was perfect timing.” (25:58)

7. Trauma, Loss & Community Resilience

• Losing Her Home in the Palisades Fire: Jen reflects on trauma, empathy, and the importance of preparedness.
  • Jen: “Losing the house has given me just, like, crazy empathy... I realized in that moment... I feel like I'm just starting to feel our own loss.” (27:36)
  • Advice: “The best thing I could do is tell people to be prepared... We had a fire scare two months prior, so we had a firebox ready to go.” (28:22)
• Spirituality and Small Signs:
  • Jen: “I found my grandma's jewelry [that I thought was lost]... I do feel like my family’s energy is protecting us all the time.” (30:07–31:14)
  • Khloé: “I don’t know how I’d survive my days without that faith to lean on.” (31:14)

8. Modern Families & New Spirituality

• Blended Beliefs: Jen and Khloé discuss raising kids with tools from many traditions (Mormon, Jewish), but emphasizing emotional health and rituals over dogma.
  • Jen: “I want my kids to have a new version and form of spirituality… Even if it’s not to a certain god, it’s saying a prayer for people.” (36:37)

9. Their Signature Banter & Sisterly Dynamics

• Teasing & Roasting:
  • Jen: "We're sisters at this point... I can just say the worst thing to you and it makes you laugh." (37:12)
  • Khloé: “We are the best. Verbally assaulting one another... we need to let it out somewhere and we know it’s safe.” (37:31)

10. Club Culture, Nostalgia & Millennial Moms

• Recollections from LA’s old club scene—wishing for an earlier, phone-free revival for today’s parents.
  • Jen: “We need club culture back to, like, millennial moms and dads...It needs to start at 6; we’re home by 9.” (40:28)
  • Khloé: “So many people came [to my mom’s party] because they knew there were no phones...people felt safe.” (40:50)

11. Product Talk, Beauty Trends, and Scandalous Looks

• Favorite Eras & Regrets:
  • Best Hair Era: “The 70s. Everyone had big hair, sexy dresses...and everyone was on Quaaludes.” (38:24)
  • Hair Trend Never to Return: “You putting crown braids. I did an Olsen-inspired crown braid on you in 2012...You were so mad.” (45:31)
• Product Recommendations: Jen’s favorite new launches (OUAI dry shampoo foam and travel brush).

12. Personal Vulnerability & Enduring Support

• On Resilience:
  • Jen: “I don’t understand how you have your together. You never fall apart.” (52:13)
  • Khloé: “I fell apart all the time!” (52:26)
• Peace Mantra:
  • Khloé: “True’s upset. She goes, ‘Peace begins with me. Peace begins with me.’ And I’m like, I’m stealing that.” (52:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On being first to credit glam:
  • Jen: “You guys were the first to ever, ever, ever shout out your glam team.” (00:19, 19:29)
• On self-created opportunity:
  • Jen: “I had $300, a Honda Civic, and my best friend. We slept on couches and I worked at a salon... I just didn’t even know it could actually be a career.” (05:25)
• On business doubts and success:
  • Jen: “‘That's a great idea, but you’re not famous enough, it’s not gonna work. Call us back in five years.’ Fuck you, Rip.” (18:46, 18:55)
• On friendship dynamic:
  • Khloé: “Find a friend that can just dish it and take it, because it is just the best.” (00:43, 37:27)
• On early work ethic:
  • Khloé: “My dad was like, an allowance for what? Go get a job and that’s your allowance.” (11:41)
• On handling difficult business transitions:
  • Khloé: “You set me up for success. I want you to go and be successful and do your thing...Can this be like a win win? …I will always respect you for how you handled that situation.” (24:22–25:06)
• Loss & Empathy:
  • Jen: “Losing the house has given me just, like, crazy empathy... I feel like I’m just starting to, like, feel our own loss.” (27:35)
• On boundaries and new ‘club culture’:
  • Jen: “We need club culture back…It needs to start at 6; we’re home by 9.” (40:28)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:19, 19:29 – Glam team shoutouts & industry shift
• 05:05–09:53 – Jen’s background, apprenticeship, and life lessons
• 11:07–12:36 – Work ethic, family upbringing, first jobs
• 18:46–19:10 – Starting a brand and responding to rejection
• 20:07–20:23 – Social media innocence
• 24:22–25:06 – Business ‘conscious uncoupling’
• 27:10–31:14 – Experiencing and processing home loss; spirituality
• 36:37 – Raising kids, spiritual rituals, and blended values
• 37:12–37:42 – Signature friendship banter
• 40:28–41:19 – Club nostalgia and advocating for phone-free events
• 45:31–46:05 – Regretted hair trends (crown braids)
• 52:40 – Mantras and affirmations from Khloé’s daughter

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Conclusion

This episode is a testament to enduring female friendships, the power of hard work, mutual support, and the lived reality behind celebrity facades. From battles with loss and self-doubt to hilarious recollections of infamous nights and personal evolution, Khloé and Jen offer listeners a window into a private world—one where loyalty, laughter, and perseverance win out.

Not to miss if you love stories of resilience, behind-the-scenes glam, and unfiltered friendships.

Transcript

[A]

They always say, like, your hairstylist is like, your therapist. What are you looking at on this side of my face?

[B]

Well, you have one piece of hair that's driving me nuts. Can I just fix it?

[A]

Jen, I've known you for decades at this point. You're so talented. How did you even know you can do the things you do? I studied people so you don't have a license, and I've let you cut my hair.

[B]

Have we never talked about this? You guys were the first to ever, ever, ever shout out your glam team.

[A]

Because no one would even acknowledge that. This is like hours and hours of a facade.

[B]

I didn't really drink until I was much older. Then I disc gay men. Is this too short? Can you see my vagina?

[A]

Jen was one of the people who lost her home in the Palisades fire.

[B]

Who offered for us to come and.

[A]

Stay at your house. Okay, well, that was ridiculous.

[B]

You were that worried about me? Find a friend that can just dish it and take it, because it is just the best. How long is this?

[A]

As long if it's good. Peace begins with me. Peace begins with me. I love you.

[B]

Okay. I love you.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Can I go home?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Bye.

[B]

I hate podcast.

[A]

Okay. Oh, good.

[B]

Sorry. But I'm so happy to be here. How fun is this? No, I hate podcasts, but I'm so happy to be here. How fun is this? We get to be together.

[A]

Well, I'm so happy to have you on Chloe in Wonderland.

[B]

Chloe, this is what it takes to see you.

[A]

I know. Or drunken behavior on Saturday night.

[B]

Should we just make this episode about all the things that happened at your mom's birthday?

[A]

We really should. So just so for context, I know this is gonna air in January, but.

[B]

We are taking this.

[A]

We're still drunk. Our. My. Our mom. My mom's birthday was. Our mom. Our mom's birthday was two days ago. She'll adopt you. So we're both older and we're still paying the price of.

[B]

I'm gonna tell you. I. It was okay. It was Saturday night. We're shooting this on Monday. I slept 10 hours yesterday. I had to get an IV drip. It was a night of all nights. But you know what? Her Gatsby party was her 60th. Yeah, and that's.

[A]

You were there.

[B]

No, but do you remember that party? Do you remember you at that party?

[A]

Okay, well, let me.

[B]

You remember you on stage.

[A]

I was fucked up at that party. I still love the video that's online where me and Courtney are fighting over the cane in the background of who was singing? Charlie Wilson and Kanye. And we're fighting in the background.

[B]

Well, you just went on stage and you were, like, trying to take the mic from Charlie Wilson. It was a time.

[A]

Well, I was very, very drunk, and that's because I was in the hospital with Lamar for, like, months, and it was my first time.

[B]

Staph infection time.

[A]

Yeah, that was. Thank you. Wow, a lot of gems you're dropping.

[B]

Yeah. No, no, no. It's been a life.

[A]

Well, point is, Jen Atkin, I've known you for decades at this point. I mean, years and years. And so thank you for gracing us with your presence on the pod.

[B]

So the first time I worked with you was November 1st. No, it wasn't. 12.

[A]

November 1st. How did you find that picture?

[B]

I found that picture last night because I was just reminiscing and I was trying to remember, like, all the time.

[A]

Did you remember the first time I met you? I do. You were just telling me how bad your memory is. It was on an airplane, and you were going to Miami to do Kim's hair for a Cosmo shoot. And I was on the plane traveling, too.

[B]

Yes. And you had your glam squad with you, right?

[A]

I don't remember.

[B]

I remember being in business class and being excited about it, but then I remember seeing you, and I. I just need everybody to understand you weren't that famous then. You were pseudo famous.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like, I knew you when you were, like, broke.

[A]

Yeah, you did.

[B]

But I met you on that People magazine shoot that I forgot. I did remember. I. When you guys were the single ladies.

[A]

When. Oh, my God, I don't remember. Oh, you did Court. I don't remember that. But I remember the Single lady shoot.

[B]

And the Cosmo shoot. Okay, can I finish telling the story now? So the Cosmos shoot, I was there to do Kim, who I didn't know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I felt like I don't even know what got me there. I don't even know if I was like. I was maybe doing Sofia Vergara at the time, and so my agent was like, there's this Cosmo shoot. You have to, like, go in and out. And then we met, and I just, like, loved you, and I really didn't even know you, but I was like, this bitch is funny.

[A]

No, you and I together, we connected.

[B]

Yeah. And then you wrote me the sweetest note. Do you remember that?

[A]

No, I have it. No, you don't.

[B]

But you wrote me the sweetest note, and you were like, I'm doing this thing called X Factor. I'm gonna be like, my first hosting job. And I would be so honored. You said something very. You were so sweet. You really are putting it on me.

[A]

I used to be so sweet, and.

[B]

Then my life, you know, got ruined.

[A]

Yeah, it did. Well, speaking of your life getting ruined. No, I do. I know you've told your story about, but I do think it's interesting to people. Cause you're from Utah. Well, you're from Hawaii, but then you are from Utah.

[B]

This is so boring.

[A]

Really? How did a Mormon girl from Utah end up in California doing the job that you do?

[B]

Okay, so I grew up very religious, but my parents were kind of cool. Like, we'd watched SNL and South.

[A]

You were allowed to have sex before marriage?

[B]

Are you kidding me? No. I didn't really drink until I was much older. It's crazy. Like, I didn't drink in high school. No one partied. It was very, like, Ozzy and Harriet. Like, I don't know, Little House on the Prairie. Like, we did not party.

[A]

Not what your photos show.

[B]

Well, then, okay, I discovered gay men.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And drugs. No, I'm just kidding. So I grew up kind of conservative, and we were very, like. When I think about the Mormon Church, I left it at 19 to come to LA with my best friend. But when I think about it, it gave me such strong morals. Like, I really grew up doing volunteer service. You're constantly working on, like, yourself and your goals, and you're just trying to, like, put good into the world. So I do appreciate that part of it. And I left the church. I left, like, a boyfriend I supposed to get married to, had 300 in a Honda Civic catchback and came to LA with my best friend. We slept on couches and I worked at a salon just to kind of, like, I knew I wanted to do something creative. And I really, like, in high school, would cut my own hair and cut my friend's hair, and I just didn't even know it could, like, actually be a career. But I was like, that's the only thing I really know how to do. And so I started out as a receptionist, a salon manager. Weirdly, like, Chris McMillan was, like, a really big deal. He had done, like, Jennifer Aniston's haircut. He was, like, the household name.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But there were no women for me to really, like, look up to. Like, Sally Hirschberger.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Had a really big career, and I'd, like, read about her in magazines. But I came here in 2000, so. Oh, my God, it's so.

[A]

That's crazy 20, almost 26 years ago.

[B]

Like, pre social media, you'd have to go in a Laura magazine to, like, see what the cool salons were to go to.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I would do that, and I would walk to those salons and try to get a job. And they were like, you're such a loser. Get out of here.

[A]

People don't do that anymore. No, no.

[B]

But call me a loser.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, they do.

[B]

But I really just wanted to learn about the business of hair. And so I worked as a manager. I saw all these amazing creative stylists who. Oh, my God. And at the time, I got to, like, feed Bette Midler's meter and, like, Winona Ryder would come in. Would come in. I met Jessica Alba back then, and I was like, just a kid, knew no one here. And I was like, if this is all I do, I'm done. This is amazing. And I'll go back to Utah and just live with my parents. And then I realized, like, so many of these creatives were not super responsible with their money. That was the time of, like, I don't know, LA was just bustling, and it was so fun to go in. And so I honestly, growing up, I never, like, knew a Jewish person. I never knew, like, a black person. I never knew a gay person. It's very, very, like, culture shock, little bubble.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So when I came to la, I was like, oh, my God. I learned so much about just people and cultures and art and music and, like, I really feel like I got to, like, wake up and was, like, in my own skin finally. Like, I got to just, like, lose the judgment of other people and just really, like, dive into la. It's gone by so fast. I remember getting booked to, like, assist people in the salon, and that was, like, so exciting to me. I got. I couldn't afford hair school. I couldn't afford.

[A]

I was gonna say, how did you. Like, you're so talented. How did you even know you can do the things you do?

[B]

Well, I wasn't talented. I studied people. I, like, sat there and watched every salon, like, Haircutter and all the colorists. I had to watch everybody to see how they worked.

[A]

So you don't have a license and I've let you cut my hair this whole time, Right?

[B]

No. So I. You're gonna love this story.

[A]

I'm scared.

[B]

Have we never talked about this?

[A]

I just assumed you, like, went to school.

[B]

I thought that you'd ask me any questions about myself. Over 13 years.

[A]

I'm, like, terrified.

[B]

So I couldn't afford hair school. So I did an apprenticeship program at, like, an adult occupational center downtown la. You don't know what that is, but it's like, you go there and get, like, a license to be, like, a plumber. And they had a cosmetology program.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I would go and work in the salon three days a week. I would go to school the other days, and then I would work at night as a hostess at Luna Park. Right.

[A]

What happened to you?

[B]

So many bartenders I hooked up with. Oh, my God, it's so fun.

[A]

Sorry, we're never gonna get through this podcast.

[B]

So I would. Let's see, what did I do? I went to this. This hair school adult occupational center, and I got my license that way by, like, apprenticing. So I did get my license.

[A]

Oh, good.

[B]

And then I started assisting really great stylists on set. And then I got booked to do all the dancers on Madonna's tour. And sweet. That was my first.

[A]

So that's, like, a major first. Yeah.

[B]

That was the first time I was 26 and I got to go all over the world.

[A]

But what did your parents think? Because your parents are Mormon still in Utah. And what did they think when their daughter is now leaving to go to scary California?

[B]

I mean, so scared now as a mom, I can't believe they let me go.

[A]

Were they mad that you stopped Mormonism?

[B]

Yes. I mean, it's a whole thing. Like, did you ever have Mormon friends?

[A]

No. I've learned about being Mormon. Really? On Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I don't know much about it. No. I mean, I know when you would joke about Mormon stuff and, like, play, but that would really be it. I never had a lot of Mormon stuff.

[B]

Never did. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, this is the thing the Mormon Church teaches you, that if you're not, like, obedient and worthy of, like, your temple recommend, which means, like, there's a lot of rules that you will not live with your family for all time and eternity in the celestial kingdom.

[A]

Oi. Yeah.

[B]

So there's a little bit of pressure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, you know, they were, like, scared for sure. I think they thought I was going to either be, like, a drug addict or, like, a prostitute. And they didn't understand that, like, the world isn't as scary as we think it is. I mean, it is now, but back then, it was fun.

[A]

No, seriously.

[B]

Yeah. They were, like. I think they were also really proud of me. I've always had. I'm similar to you. Like, our dads were very similar. And like, we had to sign contracts very young. I always joke I was, like, paying a mortgage, but at the time, I was 12. Like, I always had a job. I always had a purpose. I was always taught that, you know, the world didn't owe me anything, that I needed to work for the things that I really wanted. And I hated my parents for that at times because, like, I didn't get the cute cars that my friends got. And, you know, it was hard in high school, but as an adult, like, I am so grateful for it.

[A]

I feel the same. All the things that my dad was so strict about were, like, the bougie things. Like, no, we didn't. Like, all of our friends had, like, credit cards or, like, allowances, and my dad was, like, an allowance for what? Go get a job and that's your allowance. Like, and I didn't understand it then. I love that he did that for us. Like, we had to work all the time, and I loved it.

[B]

And I also think, like, don't you feel like you've been working forever? Yeah, like, I have been working since I was 16, 15, but it teaches you so much. So much. And I felt like adulthood didn't shock me. I didn't feel like, yeah, I felt like, oh, this is just my next step. This is my next purpose. This is my next thing to do. And, I mean. But, Chloe, honestly, we work so hard and we've worked so hard for so long that, like, it's been a long time. It's been a long time. But also, it's the only way to like, get all of these amazing, like, blessings in your life.

[A]

And totally. Yeah, at the time, like, there weren't celebrity lines. Like, there weren't. Like, it was still, like, l' Oreal and Revlon. Do you know what I mean? That's just, like, the big powerhouse companies, and then you branch out and you have the idea, I'm going to start my own hair product line. Like, what gave you that confidence to do that? I think besides me.

[B]

Well, it was you. I was the hands and you were the loudmouth. That's why I have a career. I feel like we were all just in this moment of Instagram just kind of peeking because I met you in 2012 and that's when Instagram came out. That's what I mean. Like, you weren't, like, you were famous, but you weren't, like, famous famous. What year did you start the show?

[A]

07.

[B]

Oh, shoot. You were more famous than I think you were.

[A]

I don't care.

[B]

Well, I.

[A]

You've never seen me for me.

[B]

I've always just seen you for you.

[A]

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[B]

Instagram had just come out and I feel like we were all kind of in this moment of learning how to, like, use it for business. And not just at first.

[A]

It definitely was like a Tumblr page. No one had. There was no influencers, there was no aesthetic pages. You just posted, like, your cup. You posted this, not you. Anyone would post the strangest of things.

[B]

Yes. Or we would post, like, being at the beach on set, an office for the day.

[A]

Like, so stupid.

[B]

I think that part of me felt like, oh, my God, I've always loved marketing. Like, always. I've just been obsessed with the way that, like, branding looks. I love. Like, I am such a pop culture junkie that I remember, like, what hello Kitty made me feel like. I remember, like, the Gap back in the day. I remember just like, I loved branding and so I felt at the time like I had no idea I was going to have a line. I mean, I started thinking of the idea in 2014 when I was really working with you. I don't even know if you remember this. We were on set and we. I think you were doing interviews and I had a call with and that team, I think, like, I was pitching them the idea of a digitally connected hair care brand. And I was so excited about it. I'm like, it's gonna be the first of its kind where you really are talking to your customers. And, like, it hadn't happened yet. Glossier had launched that same year. And I was like, I just think it'd be a really good idea. And I remember being on the phone with him and you were telling me to hang up because he told me that's A great idea. You're not famous enough, and it's not gonna work. Call us back in five years. See?

[A]

Fuck you, Rip.

[B]

And literally, like, we beat them. Like, we were on the same shelf within three years that they were. And, like, we beat them in sales in probably five years. But I remember you telling me, you were like, hang up the fucking phone.

[A]

Well, yeah, I don't let people talk to us like that.

[B]

Yeah, sorry. But that really put fuel, like, in my tank. I was like, I'm gonna prove them wrong. And I felt like we were all in a position where. I mean, you guys. I say it all the time, and I won't cry talking about it, but, like, you guys were the first to ever, ever, ever shout out your glam team.

[A]

Yes. We always get told that because no one would even acknowledge, like, you look this certain way, and you're, like, so done. But everyone wanted the perception of. I woke up like this. This is how I just naturally.

[B]

So much gate. Yeah.

[A]

This is, like, hours and hours of a facade, but it's fun.

[B]

You know what is so crazy about that time? I feel like we were. No. We were all growing our brands, but it didn't feel like it. We were just kind of, like, living and having so much fun and being on Snapchat and doing funny filters and just, like, showing our life because it was just fun. It was like a journal.

[A]

It was.

[B]

And it was so innocent, too, back then.

[A]

And I appreciate the time it was, because now it's like influencer overload. And, like, everything that someone's talking, talking about, they're being paid to talk about. Where, like, when we were doing, you literally just did whatever you wanted. And if you were talking about something, you were just talking about it.

[B]

Thank God we all had each other, because I remember, like, Jess Alba was doing Honest Company at the time. I remember my friend Emily Weiss was doing Glossier, and you guys were launching all of your companies. Oh, my God. How many amazing shoots did we do?

[A]

I mean, how many? But also, Kardashian is so important to say is. Cause even close friends of mine are like, all you guys do is all these successful things. I'm like, do you know how many things we've done that have failed and tanked? And you are a testament to, like, how many shoots have we done? Because we've done so much crap, and it maybe had a little momentum, and then it tanked. Like, you have to kiss a bunch of frogs, and then you find your prince, and that's okay. We just do it on a Larger scale.

[B]

Whereas, I mean, no, I'm gonna shout you out. I'm interrupting you and shouting you out for this. Because I was there with you for a good like seven years of you not only navigating, like, your personal life that was complicated, helping everybody with all of their things, making sure everyone in your life was taken care of. And you were traveling the world. Like we went all over the world together. And you would just, no matter what was going on in your personal life, would show up with such light and grace and it was cuckoo. I was like, how is this girl doing this?

[A]

Like, we were just young. I mean, Chloe, the energy we had. But speaking about that, we got to go to the fucking best, craziest places. And I feel like even though we were working, Jen and I have such a good relationship. Like, we would. It's before kids, it's before any of that. So we had different energy, but we had so much fun in every place that we went. And we've literally gone everywhere.

[B]

Australia, Dubai, London, Costa Rica.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh my God, New York, a million times, everywhere. Yeah, we had the best time. But I really feel like I got to see so many versions of you. And what's interesting is, you know, I would get a lot of. To be honest about being friends with my clients. Like it was looked down upon that like I was being friends with my clients and I'm like, I. And with. We have spent so much time together, Chloe, and it's so intimate, you know, being in someone's house.

[A]

Like outsiders.

[B]

Yeah. Like people hate haters.

[A]

Yeah. Because how much? And when you get your glam done, whether, like, even if for someone to relate, if you're just at the salon getting your nails done or your hair done, they always say like, your hairstylist is like your therapist. When I'm seeing you, it's the most vulnerable time. You're in your home, it's like 5am, you might have had a long night, your baby's been crying, your husband did something, whatever. You're the first person I see. Yes. I'm gonna word vomit all this stuff to you.

[B]

Oh my God. I had a transponder to your gate.

[A]

To my gate. But it's. That's the connection and it's so deep that of course you like fall in love with your glam teams and you guys, like, people become such good friends. So I think people don't.

[B]

No.

[A]

Because they're not in those intimate moments. But also we're traveling together, we're jet lagged together. It's everything.

[B]

Yeah. I think the relatable thing to everybody though is like no matter what you're doing and who you're working with, be a good person and don't be a user and just like show up and protect the people you work with and don't be catty and don't be dramatic and don't put your, whatever's going on with your life. Especially as a hairstylist. I have to say I used to get so mad when people would come in and just dump on you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know, you had to be so like front facing, forward facing and then you have to go and meet people. I mean the time you were, I don't know how you did it but like you were meeting thousands of people and having one on one conversations and making every person feel seen and heard. And I was exhausted just watching you do it.

[A]

And it was a different time.

[B]

But like when I, when glam people would like not be like professional professional.

[A]

Well, speaking of professionalism, it's always something like totally get you. There's evolutions and we all evolve and grow into different phases. When Jen worked with me, Jen was with me literally every day for like seven years. Then she wanted to go and start oui. And I'll never forget how you handled this. You were like, I'm gonna leave and start Wei, will you talk to me about it? And you said, I'm going to train someone and leave you with someone. I'm not gonna leave until I know you're comfortable. And I have never been treated with such respect. And I will say professionalism, although you and I were so close and you did exactly that. Like I've been told from people, oh, I'll make sure I do all this delicately or there'll be a smooth transition. And it's never fucking happened. And with you, I've always used you has been like, Jen, you set me up for success. I want you to go and be successful and do your thing. And I'm supportive of you. But like also, can this be like a win win? I don't want to be left high and dry, as silly as that is. But I still have to work too. And you did it like if anyone could teach a class in that. And I don't get why more people don't do that because it only makes that person like cheer you on more and be like, fuck yes. Like I don't know, would they make. It's makes you feel that you're not being used and it wasn't just a stepping stone. And I will Always respect you for how you handled that situation.

[B]

How I handled our breakup?

[A]

Yeah. It wasn't a breakup.

[B]

It was conscious uncoupling.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Before it existed.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

It wasn't even a breakup.

[B]

It was just moment. Like, my business was starting to, like, take off. And I was like, oh, my God, I need to. I can't do it all. I'm a shell of myself. Pre kids, by the way. And I remember being, like, feeling so guilty. I felt so much guilt for, like, leaving this profession full time that had, like, brought me so many blessings. And I was like, how am I gonna do this? And the crazy thing is, Chloe, like, it was the perfect time for me to step in and, like, really nurture the brand to get it to where. And I had, at the time, 30 people who relied on me to not screw up and get canceled. And, like, they're working really hard every day on this brand. And I was like, I've gotta do this. And I just felt in my heart it was just the perfect timing. And, like, you and I both have now collectively changed so many people's lives. And you've seen these girls go from assistants to now, like, amazing hairstylists in there, have amazing careers, and they'll have amazing things happening in their lives.

[A]

But you've definitely paved the way for so many people. So Jen was tragically, one of the people who lost her Malibu home in the Palisades fire. And how did that experience shape you? I remember speaking to you when it was happening.

[B]

You offered for us to come and stay at your house.

[A]

Okay, well, that was ridiculous.

[B]

You were that worried about me.

[A]

I don't think I meant that.

[B]

That experience goes in just the file of hard things that people go through that, you know, my dad dying, you know how horrible that is. I had a dog that we lost to a coyote tragically in front of me. And that was just painful. I'm such a dog person. I know I wasn't, but I am.

[A]

She wasn't at all.

[B]

And losing the house has given me just, like, crazy empathy. It's the only thing that I've gained from it is just empathy. Like, I realized in that moment, you know, it's been nine months, and I feel like I'm just starting to, like, feel my own loss and our own loss of, like, our home, because it's been just such a heavy loss for everybody. I also, in that moment, felt so held by our friends and our community and our neighbors, and we all were checking on one another, and my husband stayed behind with Some of our neighbors to help evacuate elderly people in our community. And, you know, we never thought. I went to work that day, texted Mike and said, hey, there's some smoke near Topanga. 10am Never thought 8pm Our house would be gone.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I think, if anything, I feel like the best thing you could do and the best thing I could do is tell people to be prepared. Like, I had a firebox. We had a fire scare two months prior. So 3am Our power went out. Mike and I went around the house and gathered the letter from my dad. My grandma's jewelry. Anything that mattered to us, we put in this big box, and so we had it ready to go.

[A]

Something that. I know I'm really spiritual. I never know where you stand on that because you always go up and down. But when you went. So Jen also has. Now it's her main home, but at the time, it was her second home. She moved to Seattle. And I remember seeing you on social, and you were going through belongings, and you thought your grandma's jewelry got burned in the fire, and then you found it later in one of those boxes. I know. Does that ignite your spirituality at all? Does that make you be like, oh, my gosh, like, these are signs. She made sure this was with me. Because when I saw that, I got chills.

[B]

I know. It was so crazy. I. You know, you're in such fight or flight. And then as a mom, you're like, okay, my kids have nothing right now. I need to, like, get supplies. And then people. I had, like, so many people sending us just, like, toys and food, and it was just very overwhelming. And I remember maybe two months later, I was like, oh, my God, my grandma's. I had, like, this other stack of jewelry, and I remember just being like, I didn't grab it. And I didn't think Mike was calling me and saying, babe, what else can I grab? Is there anything else? And I did not think we were gonna lose our house. I was like, there's no way at 2pm when you're evacuating that we're gonna lose this house.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So anyways, I went to the garage in Seattle. We got all of our things. We had, like, one garage in Malibu that made it. It was, like, random things in there, but there was a couple of boxes. So we were kind of going through and cleaning out all of this stuff. And there was a sunglass case, and I opened it up, and my grandma's jewelry was in it.

[A]

How is that a coincidence? Like, how you have to believe. And there's a deeper meaning.

[B]

Oh my God, Chloe. Like, you know, we all. I know it's so cliche to be like after someone dies and there's your little thing that you remember. You know, when I see a rainbow is so basic, but I grew up in Hawaii and my dad loved rainbows. But like, you know, there is so many moments like that where I fully feel like in the afterlife. And you have to understand the guilt I had leaving the Mormon church. Thinking I'll never be with my family ever again is so strong. But I've completely worked through all of that and I understand. Like I, I do feel like whether it's like you're just like a part of a universe when you pass. Nobody knows, right? None of us know. But I do feel like my family's energy protecting us all the time. I think about it a lot.

[A]

Yeah, I love that I'm such a faith based person and I don't know, I just, I don't know how I would survive my days without just having that faith or that spirituality to lean on.

[B]

I mean, who's the first person that tells you to keep posting your bible quotes?

[A]

You. I know.

[B]

I love them. It makes me feel like. And I need you to do it more. Because honestly, Chloe, like, I think the more information that we're given through just our phones all day, every day, I just feel like the best thing we can do is show up and be a light. We need more of it. We need more people just like taking care of each other. And like I will tell you, the fire taught me, know your neighbors right? Get to know them on a personal level. Like I'd never had that in LA until we lived in Malibu. And it's just something that's so important to like just go. We like send little baskets for holidays to all of our neighbors just to like, so they know our phone numbers, so they know our kids, what our dog looks like. You know, it just really important to like rely on your neighbors.

[A]

Tip. It really is. Especially I think in places like LA where so many people don't do that. I do think it is important to do that.

[C]

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[A]

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[B]

So my husband is Jewish and I was raised Mormon, so neither of us are, like, super practicing. He doesn't go to temple. I don't think that our kids. To be honest, I'm going to take in the church of Dr. Becky. Like, I feel like we're going to navigate this and the way that we're breaking emotional and generational trauma as we're not gentle parenting. Right. But we're, like, breaking a lot of the things that maybe we wish we wouldn't have had passed on to us. And I think with religion, I kind of feel the same way. I want my kids to have a new version and a new form of spirituality. And I was just thinking about this last night. I actually grew up praying with my grandparents. Like, they prayed together every night on their knees every night and just, like, prayed for family members. Prayed for if they read in the news that there was, like, a fire or if there was, like, you know, earthquake. And I remember growing up around that and feeling so protected by that ritual.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think I want to start doing that with the kids. And if it's not to, like, a certain God, it's even just to the universe and, like, saying a prayer for people. And I think it'll teach them that, like, you know, we're. We're all just little ants on this planet. And I love that.

[A]

I think that's a beautiful first step in you being saved. But it is a beautiful.

[B]

I'm really proud of us for getting through this, by the way, and not just completely tearing each other apart. We're the kind of friends, by the way, that, like, we're sisters at this point where. Where I can just say the worst thing to you and it makes you laugh.

[A]

Something about my mom's party. Oh, my God. Jen and I were both, like, really fucked up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Jen was like, don't fucking hate you. And I'm like, I fucking hate you.

[B]

Oh. We would be on set all the time, and people would look like, do they hate each Other. Yes.

[A]

You guys love.

[B]

Find a friend that can just dish it and take it, because it is.

[A]

We are the best. Verbally assaulting one another. But we need to let it out somewhere and, like, we know it's safe. We're not canceling each other, but we.

[B]

Will never gotten offended, either one of us.

[A]

Never. We'll be like, you're so fucking. No.

[B]

She would literally be like, you're acting so adopted.

[A]

Well, it's true sometimes.

[B]

Do you remember your app? Like, you would make me do the craziest things for that app.

[A]

Well, once you start working a lot, you don't have a lot of friends, so that you were one of my.

[B]

I was looking on your channel, by the way, because I really love your podcast. I'm not just saying it. I really do. And I don't like podcasts, but I like yours.

[A]

I know. You've told me four times. Why the am I doing a podcast?

[B]

And I was looking at, like, videos that you've posted, and you have a thumbnail of you and I and it says, who's. I think guess who's the best liar with my face next to it.

[A]

Well, it's you.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

You are a great liar. Which era do you think had the best hair? I don't need, like, a big spiel about it.

[B]

The 70s. Because everyone had really big hair, really sexy dresses. Like, everyone was just, like, selling sex in a really glamorous way. And also everyone was on Quaaludes, so that's my favorite era.

[A]

Win, Win.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know why. When I thought 70s, I was thinking 80s. Because 80s sucks.

[B]

No, it was like Studio 54, Jerry Hall. Like, just really gorgeousness.

[A]

How many Barbies do you have? I'm going all over.

[B]

Something happened. Okay. You know that I. My first child was Barbie Birkin.

[A]

Barbie Birkin.

[B]

I love that Barbie.

[A]

No, this Barbie. So Jen had this Barbie. Barbie Birkin, her own Instagram account, everything. And no one knew who ran the Instagram account at the time.

[B]

It was like, what was that one? That was Nori's black book. It was like that.

[A]

But you don't want to pull back the curtain. Like, I don't want to know who the wizard is in the wizard of Oz.

[B]

Did you ever find out who that is?

[A]

Yes. We had a lunch with her on Keeping up, and it's sort of like.

[B]

There'S nobody we know.

[A]

No.

[B]

You guys thought it was me for a minute.

[A]

We called you and asked if it was you. We thought it was, like, Jonathan or Joyce. We had so Many people.

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

I mean, you're witty enough for it to be.

[B]

Well, thank you.

[A]

You are.

[B]

You know, I have probably over 50 Barbies now, but in Covid. I really, like, fell into a deep, dark place. I. I told you I loved branding. Okay. Barbie was the first, like, thing I got kind of, like, hooked on. I'm gonna say a few things to you really quick. We have to switch gears. The Barbies. We're gonna talk about Ivar.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

We're gonna talk about Hyde. We're gonna talk about Nasty. Now we're going to talk about the Mondrian. We're going to talk about.

[A]

No.

[B]

What cherry was that on Highland? No, La Brea. There was, like, Club Cherry.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

Because Paris used to go all the time anyways. We just. We. We were living in a town. Oh, my. Lax.

[A]

Lax. Joseph was Joseph's.

[B]

Wait, can I just say we needed to go off on the comments right now, because I need all the millennials who are watching your podcast to know or listening to it. We need to know, like, who's bringing club culture back to, like, the millennial moms and dads who, like.

[A]

Yes. Well, at a much earlier time.

[B]

It needs to start at 6. We're home by 9.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I will check the phone at the door and I will throw down so hard.

[A]

I'll be the. If it does start at 6, I'll be the first one there.

[B]

We need club culture back.

[A]

I know it's not the same. It was so fun. But also, there was no phones.

[B]

But even your mom's party, by the way, I came to your mom's party. Really? Because you said you were taking phones at the door.

[A]

Yeah. Do you know how many people actually came because of that? So. So my mom had. Every name you could imagine in the phone book was at my mom's party.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

Literally. But so many people came because they knew there were no phones. And people felt safe. They could put their guards down. And even just how connected people were. Cause they weren't that awkwardly texting when it got a little quiet or showing pictures or just.

[B]

Yes. It was so nice. People were making eye contact and having so much fun.

[A]

So nice.

[B]

But we need club culture. And I think you and I are the ones to do it.

[A]

So you want us to open up a club?

[B]

It's going to be called Club Les Don't.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And it's going to start at 6.

[A]

Tell me the last time you did something selfish just for fun.

[B]

What a question. What have I done? That's selfish.

[A]

Ooh.

[B]

I was in Paris recently. This never happens. I was by myself in Paris for whey. We did this huge activation. It was a dream come true. And I got, like, four hours to myself, and I was supposed to do some work, but I was like, you know, la's asleep. I'm gonna go. And I went shopping, and I just took myself on a little shopping spree, and I went to the Row and I bought a bag, and I, like, had just, like, a fabulous afternoon. It was the best.

[A]

Okay, Kendall Jenner, she.

[B]

I know. Well, Kendall let me wear the Row. Am I allowed?

[A]

Yes, you're allowed. What is the most surprising note in your notes? Apparently, right now, the most surprising. Honey, I am scared of your noses.

[B]

Of you.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I was preparing for today, and I was, like, trying to remember just all the things we've been through.

[A]

Jen is someone who's the most prepared, even when it could be from going to work. She will show people. If you're like, I'm going to do an updo. She'll have, like, 20 different updo images and she'll show you, and, like, you pick one, and Jen can actually recreate it, which is awesome. But you are the most prepared in whatever you do. Even with brands with, like, all of the stuff you do, if it's someone else's brand, you're still like, wait, it should look like this. And you have photos. It's wild. I love it.

[B]

Such a nerd. Chloe.

[A]

No, I love it.

[B]

I love Google Docs. I love the notes app. I love Figma. I love, like, I just love being organized and prepared.

[A]

If you think I know what Figma is, you're crazy. What is your can't live without glam product?

[B]

I mean, here's the thing. I do, like, I don't really do hair anymore.

[A]

For yourself.

[B]

Oh, for myself, I would say. Okay, I will tell you two things I can't live without. I just launched this amazing dry shampoo foam that's called fresh fluff, and it's like a mousse, but you work it into your hair, and it makes your hair so clean and soft and amazing.

[A]

Why did you send that to me?

[B]

I gave you something that's coming out very soon. The double brush.

[A]

The double Brush.

[B]

It's a travel brush that is, like, my new obsession. Loves today.

[A]

So my drawer hiding. God forbid I should it like, please. Do you ever miss the chaos of early glam years?

[B]

Or you have wait, and there's two, and there's two. This is why I'm Good at what I do.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

And there's two scents we came out with. With whey. We came out with a bea in Santorini. And I'm obsessed. We've worked on it for two years.

[A]

No. Which is the one I want.

[B]

We're taking you on vacation, baby. You love Saint Barts. I love Saint Bart, but, like, Sanini is to die for.

[A]

I love Santorini.

[B]

Didn't know St. Bart's movie? No, but I. Oh, yeah, you love Santorini. I know you love Santorini. I've been obsessed with it. It's insane. You keep asking me for more.

[A]

Didn't you go to Santorini with us for filming?

[B]

No. Oh, that wasn't me.

[A]

Sorry. Wrong person. Do you ever miss the chaos of early glam, or are you happy it.

[B]

Slowed down of early glam? What do you mean? Being there early?

[A]

No.

[B]

Like, do I miss the commute to your house? Being at your house? Because you like to Glam at 6am.

[A]

The real thing is that Jen stopped working with me because Kendall got old enough and had her own house in Beverly Hills. So Jen was like, I'm gonna lie and say I quit, but I'm really just gonna move on with Kendall.

[B]

But that's all I'm saying is this. I was. I. I hung up my scissors, and then Kendall moved to the city, and she's like my little sister, and I had to take care of her.

[A]

Getting your scissors out.

[B]

And then Kylie just got so famous that I couldn't ignore her.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, she had this brand. It was really taking off.

[A]

Right. You had to.

[B]

So I could drive out here forever, but I'd wave at you when I passed your house.

[A]

You would? You know what? It's fine. What is a song that takes you back to the early 2000s. Oh, my God. Wait, that came to you so quickly.

[B]

Because I was just dancing to at your mom's party.

[A]

Oh, my God. Wow. Or you're such a good singer. They got your money. What hair trend do you never want to come back?

[B]

You putting crown braids.

[A]

Crown braids.

[B]

Because literally, I did an Olsen inspired crown braid on this girl. I'm not in 2012. And it was so cute with your floral dress. And the bitch wouldn't stop talking about it for five years.

[A]

No. How much I hated it.

[B]

You were so mad.

[A]

Well, first of all, I wish I was as cool as the Olsen sisters. I was also much chubbier. This person, this girl in front of me gives me a crown braid. I was boho chic, not boho. I was like, I'm gonna tell you what. You ruined steroids at the time.

[B]

I ruined boho braids. For me. For life.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

So I want it to never come back. We never have to talk about it again.

[A]

Jen thought she was, like, so innovative and riveting. She put this Rita Hazan in my defense, spray paint in the part of my hair which will plop up a picture of.

[B]

I'll show you all the photos.

[A]

And it's a blue line. And it was like you took a Sharpie and drew down my part. And I thought it was great, too. Cause I wore it. And then in hindsight.

[B]

So we're just trying things, babe. Do you understand how much pressure was on me? We had. What was that website? Hollywood Life. Hollywood Life.

[A]

And we lived to be on it.

[B]

And Hollywood Life would always shout out our glam. So we had pressure.

[A]

No. And we, like, we were on it. And it was like, you could, like, vote. We were just like, oh, we've made it. That was like, vote that.

[B]

And Pink is the new blog. If we were on that, we made it.

[A]

What are you staring at over here?

[B]

That one piece is driving me.

[A]

What is it?

[B]

Can you see me staring at.

[A]

What do you mean? I'm not Stevie Wonder.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

I've never seen anything like this.

[B]

So sorry. It's just distracting to me. I need it to be like, it's better now. You had one little hair that was literally Chloe. It's like, let me show you what it feels like to me. You're talking, but the hair is just doing that. And it's so distracting.

[A]

Wow. My next question is, are you type A or type B? But I think we know that answer, honey. Anyways, I'm close.

[B]

CD is what I am.

[A]

What's your favorite main product?

[B]

I feel like, oh, hot round brush for sure. One is sold every seven seconds.

[A]

Shut up.

[B]

Swear to God.

[A]

The one that I tried crazy.

[B]

That was like, a tool I wanted to make for the moms. The moms that are rushed, that, like, are just starting to look at themselves again in the mirror.

[A]

You're, like, rich. Rich. Honey, that's amazing for you.

[B]

It's not true. I'm invested. Let's just say that I love it.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. You're wealthy.

[B]

The hot round brush, baby.

[A]

You could buy me.

[B]

You can get it at Sephora. Sephora.

[A]

No, it is a great brush. Because if I am literally not able to use even, like, I can't brush my hair.

[B]

Don't talk about me trying to show you how to do your Hair a million times.

[A]

Yeah. We have a video. We need to give them that video. So I was dating someone in Houston, and I remember saying to Jen, I can't bring glam, but, like, who's gonna teach me how to curl my hair? Jen's like, oh, my God, let's film it. And when you're in Houston, watch the video back. It is the most train wreck of a video.

[B]

What's crazy is I've done that. I did it for Courtney and her bangs, like, two weeks ago. I've done it with Kendall. She's FaceTimed me a million times to ask how to do it. They pick up on these things, and they do it.

[A]

I can't. No. I'm my one student that just. Just mentally doesn't want to leave the nest. No, I can't. And it's. It's curling. Like, it's not that.

[B]

Like, Chloe, you know how many people know how to, like, curl their hair now? How many tick tock videos there are? It's just.

[A]

And I don't. I've literally tried to watch YouTube. I'm like, maybe it's a gen problem and you don't know how to teach. Well, no, it's not. I've gone on YouTube.

[B]

I mean, I've taught you a million times.

[A]

It. No, I just can't compute it. And then to know that you do it a different way each side, I'm.

[B]

Like, remember the butt of the cord facing up and just change hands and.

[A]

You just handle it.

[B]

Well, you look beautiful. Beautiful.

[A]

Well, I didn't do my hair.

[B]

Thank God you got a lot of people on speed diet.

[A]

At least it's job security.

[B]

Yeah. Remember when you used to wear pink latex?

[A]

I loved that. So fun story. Yeah. That was my finger. My knuckles are all bloody because I punched Lamar minutes. Well, probably hours before lying. That's when.

[B]

In this pap shot.

[A]

Yes, because that was Scott Disick's birthday in Vegas. And I remember right before is when I went to say goodbye to what I thought was Lamar that didn't have a phone, and he's recovering from his overdose, and I walk in on him doing naughty things, and so I swung on him and I punched him.

[B]

Do you know what's crazy? I can't even watch the episode where you, like, see him.

[A]

Oh, it's wild.

[B]

I can't. I'll never watch it. It's just too hard.

[A]

I blacked out. Okay, that was your main cat exposure.

[B]

Here's what I'm gonna say about this book.

[A]

The best I've ever looked.

[B]

Chloe, Mother effing Kardashian has always been the most supportive human being on the face of the planet, and the reason I'm here today. But, like, you did my very first Main Addicts. Before Maine, the Tools was Main Addicts, which is a digital platform magazine about hair. And you did our very first, like, digital cover.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And my first picture of your lips in my home, which then Kylie copied.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

And became the Kylie Lip Kit. Lip.

[A]

What do the young kids do this?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

All of it. No, but we did. We did the shoot at my house. Mary did my makeup. You did my hair. Mike shot it. Yeah, at Grandioso. We just went to different white walls. I did my own styling. I mean, look at the hat, obviously.

[B]

Oh, my God. But it was so fun.

[A]

It was so fun, and we made it work.

[B]

So how cute are you? Did you care with that?

[A]

No.

[B]

We had so much fun and time.

[A]

I wouldn't be doing this extra shit if I had kids.

[B]

Can we just say a PSA for any.

[A]

Do all your work.

[B]

Any girl out there who thinks that you've got it rough, please sleep in. Please just go and hook up with as many people as possible.

[A]

As many people.

[B]

And honestly, just, like, live your best life.

[A]

And, yes, travel when we.

[B]

But have fun. I have no regrets. Look at this.

[A]

No regrets.

[B]

You were such a slut.

[A]

Oh, my God. That was on. Such a slut. That was RuPaul's Drag Race. When I drag, first of all, biggest fan, obsessed with ruin. No one asked me to dress in a character. I'm willingly, like, I'm gonna be a sailor.

[B]

Wait, how did that come to be?

[A]

I don't fucking know why I chose to be a sailor. No, I look amazing, but the balls I had. I'm a sailor one. I was like a leopard in the second episode. I don't know why I thought I needed to dress, like, campy, because we were just.

[B]

At the time, it was like, campy. That's what you do if you show up to RuPaul's Drag Race. Can we discuss something? I guess you're kind of annoying because you're so. Oh. You're always like. You've always got an aesthetic. I was just going through these pictures of, like, God, your old house. You always had, like, an aesthetic and.

[A]

A vibe, which was what?

[B]

But, like, I don't understand how you have your together. I don't know, like, truly, how have you just always had your together? You never fall apart.

[A]

What? I fell apart all the time.

[B]

No, you don't.

[A]

I have days. I don't have, like.

[B]

But your grumpy is still, like, not as bad as, like, most people. You're pretty, like, in the light. It's annoying.

[A]

It's not a compliment.

[B]

It's annoying.

[A]

True's upset. She goes, peace begins with me. Peace begins. No.

[B]

Who taught her that?

[A]

I don't know. She'll just do that if she feels frustrated because, like, she'll do something that she's like, sits away. She goes, peace begins with me. And I was like, I'm stealing that.

[C]

That.

[A]

Jen, thank you so much for coming on. I know how much you hate podcasts and you hate me, but I really appreciate you coming on.

[B]

I am so happy to be here, and I'm so proud of you and all the things that you do and all of the amazing light you put into the world, and the podcast is just another outlet for you.

[A]

And even though you're still drunk, you did a great job. You really did struggle. You're so drunk.