Khloé & Kris Jenner: A Krismas Special

Summary

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Khloé in Wonder Land — "Khloé & Kris Jenner: A Krismas Special"

Date: December 17, 2025
Host: Khloé Kardashian
Guest: Kris Jenner

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Episode Overview

This lighthearted, festive episode of Khloé in Wonder Land brings together Khloé Kardashian and her mother, Kris Jenner, for a deep dive into all things Kardashian-Jenner Christmas. With playfully irreverent banter and warm nostalgia, the two reflect on traditions, memorable parties, family dynamics, the joys (and stresses) of hosting, and what the holiday season truly means to them. Woven throughout is their signature humor and candidness, with stories ranging from the family’s elaborate Christmas Eve parties to childhood memories, party gossip, wrapping paper politics, and more.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kris Jenner: The Queen of Christmas

• Khloé opens (00:00) by declaring, "Mom, when I think of Christmas, I think of you. Christmas is our thing, our World Cup."
• Kris shares she starts Christmas shopping as early as June or July (00:09, 36:26), and takes enormous pride in all holiday preparations: bows, wrapping, decor, and especially her beloved ornaments.
• She considers herself a little bit "naughty and nice," joking that after 5pm, she "can be a little naughty" (02:24-02:44).
• Tradition is safety and nostalgia: “It’s so important that you’ve created those safe spaces for us... It can be so silly. But what that does for those core memories at home, how that makes you feel, and the safety of it—I love it.” (03:30)

2. Origin Stories and Tradition Building

• Kris reminisces (04:07–06:25) about a childhood Easter experience that inspired her passion for holidays and hospitality:

  “That kind of thing always made me want to do things. If I ever had kids, I was gonna have six. And we were going to have Christmas, and Santa was going to come. We were all going to sit around by the fireplace and drink hot chocolate and have mugs and stockings with our names on them. It was just going to be magic.” (05:32)

• Traditions from her childhood, especially time with her grandmothers and large gatherings, inform how she celebrates and hosts now (14:01–16:00).

3. Legendary Christmas Eve Parties

• The annual Kardashian-Jenner Christmas Eve party is the centerpiece of their Christmas:

  “Because the Christmas Eve party gets us all so excited and happy. And then the next morning is so fabulous and gigantic and magical...” (09:17–09:23)

• Originally hosted by Kris since 1978, the party grew from small family gatherings into glitzy, star-studded affairs with hundreds of guests (10:02–10:09, 23:06).
• The hosting baton now rotates among family members, though not all are eager:

  Khloé: “I won’t take the reins. I don’t want that many people in my home...” (24:03)

• They co-plan themes via Pinterest boards, have formal planning meetings, and split the costs equally (25:03–25:27).
• Memorable annual Santa appearances and even two elves, "Silly and Willy," who have attended since Khloé’s birth (11:27–11:32).

4. Kris’s Obsession with Ornaments and Decor

• Kris is emotionally attached to her ornaments, especially her Christopher Radko collection:

  “I feel like I have a relationship with my ornaments. I really do. I bring them out, and I was—Hi, you little cutie.” (26:46–26:56)

• She describes at length her relationship with the famous ornament designer, how custom Kris Jenner ornaments came to be, and her love for elaborate garlands and wreaths (27:13–29:52).

5. Gift-Giving and Wrapping Drama

• Extravagance is both joy and a source of playful family competition:

  “If anybody saw what goes on at my house on Christmas morning, no, it’s crazy. They would lose their minds...But we all love to surprise each other with the most outrageous things.” (38:27–38:45)

• Each sibling maintains a unique wrapping paper theme, and last year’s custom artwork gifted by Kris was “legendary”—until Kim live-streamed it and ruined the surprise (49:23–51:08).
• Khloé recounts being “locked” in the attic to wrap gifts as a child, a family tradition more grueling than magical (21:34–22:22).

6. Party Secrets, Mischief, and Family Humor

• The duo laugh about past party “hook-ups” and speculate (with denials all around) whether anyone’s snuck away for a holiday rendezvous (30:02–31:33).
• Khloé comically admits: “My goal on Christmas Eve is to be incoherently drunk...Normally happens.” (30:37–30:46)
• They joke about party guest list eccentricities, including the nurse who gave Khloé an IV 12 years ago (23:06, 23:27).

7. Faith and Meaning Behind the Celebration

• Kris describes faith as central to her childhood (16:00–17:00, 43:02–45:14), sharing stories of church, Bible study, and the spiritual significance of Christmas:

  “I was just so in awe of the story and what it meant. And so I always had that as, like, the focal point in my heart.” (16:00)

8. Parenting, Grandparenting, and Family Dynamics

• The episode explores how traditions evolve as Kris becomes a grandmother—she relishes the chaos, prefers a full house, and dreads the idea of an “empty nest” (12:52–13:13, 41:05–41:19).
• Khloé expresses gratitude for traditions passed down, recognizing their significance more as an adult (06:25, 08:27, 41:19–41:21).

9. Photos, Memories, and the Changing Times

• Khloé pokes fun at Kris’s compulsive photo archiving (42:00–42:38):

  “Every month, she takes every photo of the month… and you have Matthew Ryan print ’em out… put it in an archival box… every fucking month.”

• Kris responds: “What if it all disappears one day?” (42:41)

10. Aging, Health, and Self-Care

• Turning 70 is discussed candidly:

  “I feel really happy and blessed... it’s all about the attitude, moving, keeping yourself busy but healthy, and really making better choices.” (61:25–62:32)
  “Strength training is a 180... there was another pep in my step.” (62:46–62:54)

• Age is “just a number”:

  “I used to say it and I believed it, but now I really believe it. I don’t feel—I feel better.” (64:07–64:09)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tradition:

  “Christmas is our thing, our World Cup.” — Khloé (00:01, 08:48)

• On Being Naughty or Nice:

  “If somebody’s not a little bit naughty, they’re pretty boring. So I like a little mix.” — Kris (02:24)

• On Passing Down Traditions:

  “I love that you do that, because it means that I… everything that I did, you appreciated… that it would be a memory for you makes me so happy.” — Kris (03:15)

• On Hosting Chaos:

  “We don’t need to be arguing about Christmas lights. There’s enough Christmas lights to go around for everybody…” — Kris (36:55)

• On Family FOMO:

  “But I don’t like making decisions like that… Every time we say no to something, we’re missing something that, you know, once in a lifetime…” — Kris (60:37)

• On Aging:

  “It’s not about the way that I look; it’s about the way that I feel, and that’s what I have to focus on.” — Kris (61:37) “Age is just a number.” — Kris (64:07)

• On Sibling Rivalry (and Excess):

  “Do you respect this fight… when Kim and Kourtney went to war over exterior Christmas lights?” — Khloé (36:31)

• On Keeping the Faith:

  “I still have my Bible that was given to me when I was, like, 8 years old… I think that’s when it was really instilled.” — Kris (43:17–44:02))

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 02:44: Opening banter, early holiday prep, “naughty/nice” list.
• 03:15 – 06:25: Reflection on traditions, passing them to children, Kris’s formative childhood memory of Easter.
• 09:17 – 12:47: Christmas Eve party traditions, evolution, passing the baton to the next generation.
• 13:52 – 14:53: Kris describes her emotional investment in holiday prep, baking, and family.
• 14:01 – 16:47: Kris’s own childhood Christmases, family gatherings, and roots of her traditions.
• 23:06 – 24:03: Guestlist politics, expanding the invite list, rotating the party location.
• 25:03 – 25:27: Party-planning details — Pinterest boards, cost-sharing, Mindy Weiss meetings.
• 26:46 – 29:13: Obsessed with ornaments, Christopher Radko story.
• 30:02 – 31:33: Cheeky Q&A: holiday party hookups, “blowies” and party shenanigans.
• 36:26 – 36:55: Shopping for gifts super early, sibling rivalry over Christmas lights.
• 38:27 – 39:52: The extravagance of Kardashian gift-giving and philanthropy.
• 41:05 – 41:19: Joy of being a grandmother, holiday chaos.
• 43:02 – 45:14: The significance of faith during the holidays.
• 49:23 – 51:08: Wrapping paper drama; Kim reveals the family’s custom gift wrap.
• 61:25 – 64:09: Kris discusses turning 70, health routines, and attitude toward aging.

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Final Notes

This “Krismas Special” is a heartwarming, irreverent, and intimate look into the Kardashian-Jenner holiday machine. Listeners are treated to a side of Kris Jenner that’s sentimental, tradition-obsessed, and a bit mischievous, with Khloé grounding the nostalgia in affectionate mockery and candor. Holiday excess meets genuine warmth; their blend of humor, storytelling, and a little holiday TMI (“Can we talk about blowies?”) make for a thoroughly entertaining seasonal listen.

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Notable closing sentiment:

“I love you so much for so many different reasons, but the fact that you’re sharing a little holiday insight… It’s so special. I love you. And you know you’re always welcomed in Wonderland.” — Khloé (69:59–70:19)

[End of Episode Summary]

Transcript

[A]

Mom, when I think of Christmas, I think of you. Christmas is our thing, our World Cup. How far in advance do you start buying gifts?

[B]

June or July? I could make a mean bow.

[A]

We have a Christmas Eve party. Has anyone ever hooked up at one of these parties?

[B]

Excuse me? You know, have you?

[A]

My mom would always make me help her. You made me go in the attic and wrap all these gifts. You locked me up there.

[B]

Oh, my God. Thank you for doing that.

[A]

You're welcome.

[B]

My mother gets really desperate around the holidays.

[A]

Need to sit here at the bar.

[B]

And have a martini.

[A]

That's the story.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That the bartender got you a drink.

[B]

Now, there's a couple hundred, two, three hundred people at a Christmas party.

[A]

And you also invite the most random people. Oh, the nurse that gave me an IV 12 years ago. I remember her. Wanda.

[B]

I feel like I have a relationship with my ornaments.

[A]

Hi, you little cutie.

[B]

Oh, man. Okay, are you done with me?

[A]

Now, when you have a moment of quiet, what do you do at Christmas time? No, Remember I was asking you Evergreen questions and you keep going back to Christmas?

[B]

No, I don't remember. I'm old, okay? Just work with me.

[A]

Well, the face is young.

[B]

Okay. Well. Yeah.

[A]

Mom. Welcome back to Chloe in Wonderland.

[B]

I am so excited to be back. I look forward to this all week.

[A]

Oh, just all week?

[B]

Yeah. Well, you know, for months. But specifically this week.

[A]

Well, I'm so excited because, number one, you are one of the best guests I had on.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Everyone loves you.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

But you know that you are the fucking Kris Jenner.

[B]

Well, I think that the fact that we both bought every inch of plaid in Los Angeles for this interview makes us very special today.

[A]

Well, we're wearing plaid because we're doing the holiday edition of Chloe in Wonderland. Because you are Mrs. Claus.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

And this is your jacket.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

That you let me borrow Saint Laurent. It is. Because I don't really own plaid.

[B]

But you know where to get it when you need it, Right?

[A]

Right. You wanted to door festive.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Really, really hard hitting question.

[B]

Okay. Who is my favorite?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay, good.

[A]

Are you on the naughty or nice list?

[B]

The naughty or the nice list. Well, if somebody's not a little bit naughty, they're pretty boring. Oh, so I like a little mix. Some days I'm naughty.

[A]

Talk to me.

[B]

Some days I'm nice. Okay, so it depends on when you catch me. But usually, you know, after 5 o', clock, I can be a little naughty. Oh, fuck, yeah.

[A]

I don't even Know what that means?

[B]

I don't either, but it sounds good.

[A]

So I feel like when I think of Christmas. Yeah. I think of you like you are Christmas. You are the holidays, any holiday. I've always said since I've been younger, literally, it could be like President's Day. And every morning, that was a significant thing. You were like, happy President's Day. And like there would be a napkin and something cute in our lunchbox. And that's something that I definitely copy and paste from you.

[B]

You do.

[A]

And. And I love it.

[B]

Yeah, I love that you do that because it means that I. Everything that I did, you appreciated. Even at your young age, you didn't think, you know, you didn't think about it. But that it would be a memory for you makes me so happy.

[A]

I remember all of our Christmas Eve parties, but not necessarily one over the other. It's just the tradition and the consistency of them that's so safe and nostalgic and comforting. And I think it's so important that you've created those safe spaces for us. Even if there just a holiday, something like Valentine's Day, we would lean all the way in. And now we do like the heart shaped cookies or. It can be so silly. But what that does for those core memories at home, how that makes you feel and the safety of it, I love it. And of course, I want to emulate that and mirror that in my life.

[B]

Is that crazy? You want me to tell you a really crazy story?

[A]

Obviously.

[B]

So once when I was a little girl and I was going home on a Saturday, I had a play date with my friend and the next day was Easter. And I remember driving up this really. We were living in San Diego, driving up a really steep hill next to a school like it was yesterday. The dad was driving us home. And in those days, you know, there weren't a bunch of naughty people around or nasty adults. And it was so cute because the dad, the little girl said, can. Can Chris come over and spend the night? He goes, sure. And so we went home to her house. We found her mom, she made us dinner and we took baths together. We put on our pajamas and we watched a movie or something. And this dad, because the next day was Easter, he went out and duplicated whatever he was giving, they were giving to their family. And they had these eggs with everyone's name on them and chocolate like I then copied 30 years later and did for my family. But something like that made such an impression on me. I will never forget it. I wish I could think of her Name. I wish I could think of his name. It didn't even matter because it was the gesture, the moment, the memory, what it meant to me to be at somebody else's house on a holiday. And I was so. I've never been away on a holiday.

[A]

How old were you, do you think?

[B]

Probably nine or ten.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So that kind of thing always made me want to do things. If I ever had kids, I was gonna have six. And we were going to have Christmas, and Santa was going to come. We were all going to sit around by the fireplace and drink hot chocolate and have mugs and stockings with our names on them. It was just going to be magic. And so the very first Christmas, I got to do by myself, because my mom and my grandmother always did that for all of us. And then the very first Christmas I was married in 1978, I did it for your dad and I. It was just the two of us. And then the next Christmas, three of us. And it just kept growing because basically, for a whole decade, you know, I was pregnant. So it was just adding the stockings with the names, adding more toys under the Christmas tree. And it made every Christmas that much more just joyful and exciting.

[A]

All of those things that you have done for us, we all try to do for our kids and even for each other, like, it's. We get such great joy out of it, and the kids obviously do, too, and. But they don't realize just how special it is until you get older and then you try to recreate it. And I think it's so wonderful what you've instilled in us. And I know we just celebrated our annual Halloween pumpkin party, which I'm so.

[B]

Happy that you do that. It makes me so happy. When you sent that little invite, it took me back. What do you remember about our Halloweens when you were little?

[A]

I don't remember anything about Halloween. Stop it. But Halloween is the least important holiday to me, so I don't know.

[B]

Don't you remember the party when.

[A]

I don't remember one thing. Halloween.

[B]

The fire department showed up and they brought their Dalmatian, and I had you guys all dressed like Dalmatians.

[A]

No. That's so cute. Why was the fire department there?

[B]

Because it was cute. I said, can you come and bring your Dalmatian dog and bring out the ladder? They just came, and on Halloween, and we had a whole. What was it called? 101 Dalmatian Party. And I thought that would just be a cute extra little thing to do. And then we had the coffee carts and The. I mean, we. And the petting zoo and. You don't remember all those Halloweens? Don't you remember at Tower Lane when I put the hay in the garage? Took everything out of the garage and put hay on the floor? I thought that was really cool, I think. And then did the little tables for all the kids.

[A]

No, that's actually so cute.

[B]

Plastic pumpkins. I mean, listen, I. I did really well with what we had to deal with. It wasn't like now where all these. Like, this was in the 70s or 80s, early 80s. And we would do these little parties. One time I had a Ghostbuster party, and we. Ghostbuster music blasting through the house. And we had Ghostbuster T shirts made. And everybody thought that was so cool. And your dad was wearing a Ghostbuster T shirt. I love that you don't remember all that.

[A]

I'm saying, first of all, I was born in 84.

[B]

Did you knock yourself upside your little head?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What is happening?

[A]

Point is, I'm so appreciative of all of the holiday traditions that you've instilled for all of us, though. We all love it. Even Rob, who's a guy who you would think, like, probably doesn't care the way he creates his home for a dream. And Christmas, though. Christmas is our thing. Our World Cup. Our World Cup.

[B]

And we start the day after Halloween. My Christmas music will go on November 1st. November 1st.

[A]

I cannot stand Halloween. Of it all, really.

[B]

Your son is obsessed with me.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And. And, well, he's obsessed with Halloween people.

[A]

But Halloween, Yes. And it's so creepy. Him with those faceless dolls. I'm like, mom, you're killing me. What holiday tradition are you most proud of that you've given to us?

[B]

I'm so happy that you guys have embraced the Christmas Eve party.

[A]

That's what I was thinking.

[B]

Because the Christmas Eve party gets us all so excited and happy. And then the next morning is so fabulous and gigantic and magical that we get so excited. Cause we know the next morning we're all gonna be together.

[A]

So for people that don't know, every year we have a traditional Christmas Eve party that we've done since before I've been born. My mom's been hosting them since the 70s, and my mom has always hosted them. And then once her kids got older, she sort of handed the baton off when you felt comfortable that we would.

[B]

I know that was hard.

[A]

Represent you proper. And we've all done a good job. It used to rotate siblings homes on who was gonna host it.

[B]

For a minute. Cause it's a really big undertaking. And I think that it really takes a lot of energy, time, resources, money, creativity, just all of it. And then it's. We used to do. Before there was all of these social media platforms and much easier to do digital photos. We'd have a whole photo shoot with the whole family. Then we'd wear our Christmas outfits and do these beautiful photo shoots. And they would get bigger and bigger and bigger, you know, the more kids everybody had. And those made me so happy once these.

[A]

I mean, the Christmas cards.

[B]

The Christmas card photos. But it made me so anxious. I would get so stressed out when you guys.

[A]

We don't do little the Christmas cards.

[B]

Not anymore.

[A]

Cause it's.

[B]

I know, but that was like that. I did that for 20 something years because I did it when you guys were babies. But it was so stressful. It was. Her bow's crooked her. You know, it was like trying to four little kids. It was like herding cats. Like, you guys were all over the place and you were all little. So it was really fun to do that. But then also to have the Christmas Eve party to look forward to. We knew Santa was coming. And we have the same group of people that I love so much that are. That, you know, tell you kids that they're Silly and Willy. The two elves.

[A]

What?

[B]

That are at every party since you were born. They were there last year too.

[A]

I wasn't there.

[B]

They're the two men who help the kids with crafts.

[A]

I know you called them Silly and Williams.

[B]

Well, those are their names. They're elves.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Anyways, Santa's elves. And so anyway, these parties are so epic. And they've grown into this, you know, enormous proportion. And everybody looks forward to it every year. Our friends who don't, you know, never celebrated Christmas love to come. And it's so much fun. And we always dance at the end of the day party. We always have a dj, usually a performance, which is so exciting. Last time I think we had a party, it was Baby Face and did all of his beautiful Christmas music. And then we had a DJ and we just have the best time. And then we get up the next morning. And we used to get up at 6am and make sure everybody was there at 6. Nobody's late. And now you guys, instead of coming to mom's house and opening, you know, all the stuff from Santa, you guys have now decided to have a little bit of that Christmas Santa morning at your own homes. Which I think is a really good idea.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It really establishes Your own tradition. And then we all come to my house a little bit later and we.

[A]

Have breakfast and coffee and all the kids hang out. And that's our meeting place. Christmas Day, right?

[B]

And more presents. So the kids get another round, which is really fun for me because it makes me feel like, you know, people my age, they're always complaining about, oh, they've left the nest. I have an empty nest. I'm so sad. Nobody comes to me, nobody calls me, nobody. You know, for me, I have to put my phone on silent just to.

[A]

Get a little peace. We live next door to each other.

[B]

I know, but it's so fun to still have the memories and the excitement of preparing it all. I think the tradition isn't just that we do it and it's done and look how beautiful it is. But it's the emotional connection that I have to Christmas that I love. The process of, like, all the little things I do. Like when I make my, you know, pate for my mom or when I can make the brownies or the cheesecake. And I know that's gonna be right before Christmas Eve. So whoever's having Christmas Eve at their house, you know, is gonna get a delivery of my special desserts.

[A]

You tried to not give me one last year.

[B]

I know, but I did.

[A]

But I did. Really rude.

[B]

I did.

[A]

Can you describe Christmas for me from your childhood?

[B]

You know, Christmas was as exciting for me as a little girl. And my mom would always go to my aunt's house for Christmas Eve. And I would go to my grandmother's house. Her name was Avalon. Avalon.

[A]

And Jimmy, you're making all this up.

[B]

No, I'm not.

[A]

You know what you learned name Avalon.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because when whose sister?

[B]

Papa Harry, his brother Jimmy, Uncle Jimmy, his wife. So she would have this really grown up, fabulous cocktail party on Christmas Eve. But that's where all the cool people were, obviously, right? So you'd go in and you're dressed up. I have the greatest photo of me and my sister and my mom in our black velvet dresses with big white collars and black lace tights and little Mary Janes. I can tell you what I wore every year.

[A]

Wow. Okay.

[B]

But anyway, we would go to my grandmother, Mary Lee, and Tru's, my grandparents on my dad's side. And we would go at like 5 o' clock for Christmas Eve. And that's where I have the tradition of honey baked ham and all the fixings. And then she would do the onion dip and the chips and the, you know, all the things we still do. I Got from Marylee. So we go there, celebrate with Auntie Linda and Uncle Gaston and all my cousins. I know, it's wild.

[A]

So your grandma's name is Mary Lou? Mary Lee. And she had a sister named Mary Lee.

[B]

My grandmother's name is Lou Lou Ethel.

[A]

Of course it is. Okay. Yeah, very grandma.

[B]

Uh huh. And my other grandmother was Mary Lee. Yeah, Mary Lee. And true. And that's why you named your daughter Tru, after Grandpa Tru.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

So we would go to their house for Christmas Eve.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And you came there when you were a little girl.

[A]

Don't remember.

[B]

Yeah, you did.

[A]

Is that where you get your love of Christmas from, do you think?

[B]

Oh, absolutely. I just, I think it's a combination of obviously the traditions of how I was raised and my love of the holiday. I, you know, was very aware that we were celebrating the birth of Jesus. So it made me so happy to hear the Christmas story and how Jesus was born in a manger. And that just like kind of was bigger than life in my head. I was just, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to the earth, you know, I was just so in awe of the story and what it meant. And so I was always, always had that as like the focal point in my heart. And I can't explain it, actually. It was so overwhelming to me as I would be driving to my grandma's.

[A]

Is M.J. christian?

[B]

Yes, she is. She's also. I think she was. She's. She could be Catholic, I don't know. I'll have to ask her. I can never get a straight answer.

[A]

Okay, okay, stay tuned. Life moves fast, but at the table, I really try to slow down. You guys know, food is such a big love language in my family. It's not just about eating, it's about sitting together, talking, laughing, and actually being present. And honestly, that's why I love pasta nights. They're always my favorite. Lately I've been obsessed with barilla al bronzo pasta. And yes, that's barilla albranzo. It's made in Italy and created with sauce lovers in mind. The texture is so good and it clings to every single drop of flavor, which is everything for me. So there's this Italian concept called scarpetta, which basically means soaking up every last bit of sauce. And that speaks straight to my soul. Because if I made the effort to cook and we're all sitting together at the table, you better believe we're savoring every single bite. To me, that's not just food. That's connection. My go to right now is actually my mom's bolognese. You guys know Chris has been making this sauce forever. And when you pair it with Barilla Albranzo pasta, oh, it is unreal. The pasta holds onto the sauce so perfectly, every bite just hits. And that's the beauty of it. Whether you're in the mood for something rich and cozy or something lighter and veggie forward, it just works. So next time you're cooking, don't rush it. Make it a moment. Sit, talk, laugh. Soak up the sauce. Soak up the time together. You can find Barilla albranzo pasta in the red bag at select retailers nationwide. You can click on the link in the description to find a store near you. What is. Would you say as a kid, what's the most memorable gift you got? It doesn't even have to be big, but is there something sentimental or if it is, like, as a child.

[B]

Yeah, well, okay, so my mom was as extravagant and fabulous in her day, you know, as I think that we all are in ours. And her. One of her love languages is gift giving. And she would do everything she could to make sure her and my grandmother, to make sure that we had exactly what was on our Christmas list. So whether it was a bicycle or a sewing machine or, you know, these fabulous things we would get. I remember one year I got a little pink TV for my room. And I mean, they would. We would be so. They were so generous and so it was so exciting, you know, and Santa was really good to us. But the one thing that we would do is my mom would leave, like during Christmas vacation, she would leave for work every morning, like at 9 o' clock because she had to open the store at 10. And my sister and I would go under the tree and open every single gift.

[A]

What?

[B]

I know. We'd open all the gifts.

[A]

That's horrible.

[B]

I know, it's terrible.

[A]

Oh, and put them back together.

[B]

I would. I am the best gift unwrapper that. That, like undercover, like, you would never know the gift was open.

[A]

That's.

[B]

I got really good at it.

[A]

That's horrible.

[B]

And I learned how to gift wrap so well when I was 12 years old at my grandmother's store, 10 years old, that I was really good at putting the gifts back together because I could make a mean bow. So anyway, we would unwrap. And so one of the gifts that I got that I'll never forget, it was big back in those days to have themed sheets, you know, like for the bed. And I had A twin bed. And my mom knew I wanted these sheets so bad. And I don't remember what they were. They were probably like the Flintstones or. I don't know. But I wanted these sheets so bad. I don't know why I wanted sheets, but that's what I wanted for Christmas. And she got em for me. And I remember unwrapping the gift, and there they were. And I thought, what if I just put them on my bed? Which she noticed. But I thought, no, no, no. I'll put him back.

[A]

Oh, like you.

[B]

I wasn't that crazy.

[A]

Cheated and saw before you were supposed to.

[B]

No, I opened all the gifts and then wrapped them back up.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

And put them back under the tree.

[A]

Yeah. That's amazing.

[B]

So when on Christmas morning, I had to act surprise, surprised.

[A]

Why would you do that?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I just.

[B]

I don't know. I was naughty.

[A]

Speaking about wrapping, there was a year my mom would always make me help her with things, which is fine. And my mom, because Kendall and Kylie were little, you made me go in the attic and wrap all these gifts. And you locked me up there and you shut the ladder.

[B]

So sorry. No.

[A]

You don't even hear the end of the story. And you said, enough. No. You said, you are not allowed to come down until they're all wrapped. You would not lower the fucking thing because I couldn't open it from the ins. Inside.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And I literally was in that attic wrapping gifts like a little elf. And then I literally. I think I knocked three times. And that was the sign that I was done. And you then lowered the ladder.

[B]

Oh, my God. Thank you for doing that.

[A]

You're welcome.

[B]

I really appreciate it.

[A]

True story.

[B]

Mother. Mother gets really desperate around the holidays.

[A]

Oh, wait until it's Easter and I have to tell the Easter egg story. How you made me.

[B]

Oh, no, no, no.

[A]

Stuff. All those people are always very fascinated with Christmas Eve. And I get so many questions, like, how do we pick whose house it's gonna be at? How do we pick the theme? Who pays for it? Yada, yada. All those things. You don't have to go into, like, crazy detail. But how does the location of the party get chosen?

[B]

Well, the party was always at my house. So literally the first one was 1978. And there was very few people and family, you know, very small family. And then it just grew and grew and grew.

[A]

And then you also invite the most random people. You won't see these people. And then it's like, oh, the nurse that gave me an IV 12 years ago. I remember her. Wanda, let's get Wanda an invite. And then you're like, oh, the CVS pharmacy person. And we're like, mom, we need to filter the list.

[B]

Okay, I get it. I've been scolded many times over that. But we get the party together, and I was always the one giving the party, so I was just, you know, so happy, and things went along swimmingly. But then when you guys got older and you grew up and you guys all had your own friends, and all of a sudden, there was a hundred more people. Now there's a couple hundred, 200, 300 people at a Christmas party. I thought, okay, this has got to start rotating. I thought it was so much more fun. And then every time one of you took the reins and did it yourself.

[A]

I won't take the reins. I don't want the reins. I don't want that many people in my home. And this year, I was very proud of you for saving me. Because they were like, kim's house is under construction. So is Courtney's house. I don't know what's going on with Kylie's. Why that wasn't an option. I don't even know what happened. And then you were like, let's put it at candles. So happy. Cause everyone was like, chloe's house. Do you think I want people in my home? No, no, no. I don't want the party.

[B]

You'd have to spray everybody down with a sanitizing machine. I know. It would be horrible. Horrible. But anyway, yeah. So the minute that you guys all had your own homes and wanted to do that, one of the most beautiful times was when Courtney did it at her house with all the red trees, roses.

[A]

That was beautiful.

[B]

That was so stunning.

[A]

So for me, my dress was gorgeous.

[B]

Yes, it was. But it's so exciting to see how you guys interpret your own Christmas Eve and how we can all enjoy each other every year.

[A]

But we will include each other on the theme. We love a Pinterest board. We all have.

[B]

Love a good meeting.

[A]

Love a meeting. We all have the freedom to join the Mindy Weiss meetings. Not everyone shows up, and that's fine, but if you don't show up, you don't get a say. So, like, then you can't come to the third meeting and be like, oh, I don't like that. Nope. We've already had two meetings before. We've decided on X, Y, and Z.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And we all equally split the cost of the party.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it gets.

[A]

It's a family.

[B]

Really crazy.

[A]

And it's. Well, that's.

[B]

I think one of the most fun things, too, is to be able to share things with our friends. And so we've always been able to do some really amazing gifts for everybody at the end of the party. And if we're working on something or, like, we had Kim's beets and skims, and we could do popcorn this year and 818. And I mean, it's just been really fun. I love the party favorites.

[A]

I love a shameless.

[B]

I love a good party favorite.

[A]

You love a plug.

[B]

That's what I love. Cloud forever.

[A]

Do you know what you're gonna wear this year? Are we doing Christmas Eve this year?

[B]

What is wrong with you? Of course we are.

[A]

It's just a lot.

[B]

Well, it'll be small.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

But we're gonna do it. And, yes, I have something to wear. Of course I do.

[A]

Already. You're sick. I knew you would.

[B]

Yes, I actually have that and my Thanksgiving dress all ready to go.

[A]

Haven't thought about either. Well, I actually have two inspos for Christmas. I do.

[B]

You do.

[A]

I screenshot. I would have to make them, but I screenshot.

[B]

Well, I'm all done. It's all ready to go.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Hanging there. I'm so excited.

[A]

I know you take such pride in your ornaments.

[B]

Love my Christopher Radko.

[A]

Yes. Do you like repeating your holiday decorations year after year? Do you like to do a different theme every year?

[B]

Well, I am kind of steeped in traditional. Like, I feel like I have a relationship with my ornaments. I really do. I bring them out, and I was.

[A]

Like, hi, you little cutie.

[B]

It's like, there you are again. I get so excited. So my whole life, all through the 80s, I was collecting these Christmas ornaments called Christopher Radko. And if. I mean, I would get one. Like, that was a big deal. Like, if I got a new Christopher.

[A]

Radko ornament, He made a Kris Jenner ornament.

[B]

I know. This is, like, my dream come true. Wow. That 30, 40 years later, this angel of a man who now has a company called Heartfully yours because he sold his business with his name on it, but now started over again. He made Kris Jenner ornaments. I have Kris Jenner ornaments designed and made by Christopher Radko himself. And, okay, so I went to a friend's house. You have to listen to this story.

[A]

I'm right here.

[B]

So I went to a friend's house once, and she had also a love of Christopher Ratko. And I saw the most Glorious thing I had ever seen, which was a garland over her mantle that was about this thick and wide and just sweeping and dripping and draping and puddling. And it was just.

[C]

Ah.

[B]

And it was so good. And it was. The whole thing was decked out solid Christopher Radko ornaments. And I was like, I couldn't even believe my eyes. And then had a wreath very similar that was just. You couldn't even see the greenery because there was so many gorgeous ornaments. And these ornaments are like. They're just so heavenly. They're beautiful. They're intricate, they're hand painted. It's just. They're gorgeous.

[A]

Riveting.

[B]

So all these years later, I go down to Roger's garden.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

A couple years ago. And I walk in and they had a Christopher Radko room. And I was like, what? And I said, have you ever thought about making anybody? Like if I asked you to custom make me and create a Christopher Radko or an heartfully yours big wreath, could you do that? And the guy goes, you know what? Years ago we made somebody a garland and a wreath and they lived, blah blah, blah, and their name was blah blah blah. And I went, you've gotta be kidding. I couldn't believe that. It come full circle. And when you're a Christmas lover like me, that was like one of the greatest days.

[A]

Christmas. Get it? K R I S Christmas.

[B]

So I had them make me a wreath. And then the relationship grew. And before I knew it, Jeff Latham, our florist, introduced me to Christopher Ratko. And we called him up and he goes, I'd love to do a tree for you. So now this relationship has blossomed and turned in to. Stop laughing at me.

[A]

I mean, this is the longest story of all time.

[B]

I have these fabulous. Yeah, they do. I have the most beautiful Christopher Radko trees you've ever seen.

[A]

I love that for you. Can we talk about blowies?

[B]

Excuse me?

[A]

Can we talk about blowies?

[B]

Is this X rated show?

[A]

We could talk about anything.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Has anyone ever hooked up at one of these parties?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Why wouldn't, you know?

[B]

Hooked up, had sex in the bathroom, given a blowy.

[A]

I don't know, under the table, you know?

[B]

Chloe, have they. Have you? I haven't.

[A]

I. I don't.

[B]

I know nothing.

[A]

I'm really trying to think because I'm. I'm always. My goal on Christmas Eve is to be incoherently drunk.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And it normally happens.

[B]

Oh, you're.

[A]

It hasn't happened the last few Years.

[B]

Batting years. Congratulations.

[A]

Well, it hasn't happened the last few years, which sucks for me anyways. I've had great, wild times. But what happened to the one where one of your people ended up having sex with the waiter that Cece walked in on?

[B]

What? Oh, my God. This is crazy. This turned in. This went from Christmas Eve to.

[A]

You're trying to tell me you've never, like, snuck away with one of your husbands or someone you've dated at these parties in the middle of a Christmas.

[B]

Eve party with Santa there? No.

[A]

Oh, okay. I'm just checking.

[B]

No. Is that what you do at parties? You kids these days?

[A]

Not me these days. I know what to do it with, but I would like.

[B]

It's no wonder the bathrooms are so beautiful that we get the parties that Mindy puts together.

[A]

Yeah, that's why.

[B]

Is that your hair?

[A]

What?

[B]

Is this your hair?

[A]

Some of it. My hair's short.

[B]

Oh. Looks really good.

[A]

Okay. Anyways, thank you so much to Google Shopping for sponsoring this episode. It is officially that time of year, holiday party season. And listen, I love getting dressed up. I really do. But being real with you. Finding the perfect outfit for every single event can be a lot. Especially when you come from a family of fashion girls. My sisters, my mom, everyone has a look and you always want to feel like you stand out. I always tell myself I'm going to be decisive, and then somehow I still end up ordering multiple sizes and colors for a just in case. And suddenly I'm running a full on return operation out of my house. It's cute at first, and then it's just stressful. Especially during the holidays. Even though I work closely with my team on my looks, I still love being really involved in finding pieces. And that's why Google's Try on feature has been such a game changer for me. When I'm scrolling on Google Shopping and something catches my eye, I can literally tap the try it on button, upload a quick full body photo of myself, and instantly see what the outfit looks like on me. It's actually wild. What I love is that I can quickly decide if something is a yes or a no before I ever place the order. It saves so much time and so much stress. So if you're going to try to find your holiday party look without the chaos this year, you have to check out Google's Try on feature at G Co Shop Tryon. Trust me, it makes the whole process so much easier and a lot more fun.

[C]

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[A]

Tradition with each of your kids for Christmas? Like do you something special with each kid? Because I know you do special things with me, but I'm probably the only one that cares.

[B]

Oh, everybody gets so busy.

[A]

We liked to cook. Yes, we like to cook cakes and stuff. I do that with you.

[B]

I remember the good old days when we used to go shopping or go to Toys R Us.

[A]

Well, those stores don't exist.

[B]

I know. So it's not mean.

[A]

It's so sad. Where do you go and buy toys these days? That's always my biggest thing.

[B]

Target, Walmart. Yeah, and they're great.

[A]

They are. Yeah.

[B]

Costco.

[A]

Costco's great. We have to do.

[B]

Oh, we have to.

[A]

They have the best shit. Oh, you're good at this. How far in advance do you start buying people gifts?

[B]

Oh, June or July.

[A]

Yes. And I know you do. Are you done?

[B]

Almost.

[A]

It's sick. Kim's the same way, though. Kim is, like, done, done, done. And she can do it, like, two years in advance, which is crazy. How did you feel? Did you respect this fight? Were you like, you guys are fucking nuts. When Kim and Kourtney went to war over exterior Christmas lights? Like, war nuts. Nuts. So you weren't like, oh, that's my girls? They care that much about Christmas?

[B]

No, no, no, no. We don't need to be arguing about Christmas lights. There's enough Christmas lights to go around for everybody, no matter who's gonna drive from one neighborhood to the other and go, they have the same lights.

[A]

Well, I get that.

[B]

No, so that was a bit too territorial.

[A]

I have the white light. You can't have that. You need to have the yellow hue. Like, whenever they get very territorial.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, no. I'm just, like, sitting over there going, who's gonna. What is happening?

[A]

Oh, I know. And my mom and I have a tradition we like for Christmas. We go to two stores every year. One is called Roger's Garden. Oh, Roger's Garden. That's one. But it's far, but we do go there. And then the other one is called All Dicks. Oh, all Dicks for blowjobs. No, but it really is called All Dicks.

[B]

Yeah, but it's not all dicks. It's just all dicks.

[A]

All Dicks?

[B]

Yeah. All dicks.

[A]

How are you saying it differently than me?

[B]

As you pause, you go, all dicks.

[A]

No, all dicks.

[B]

And it's just all dicks.

[A]

All dicks.

[B]

All dicks. All dicks. All dicks.

[A]

Both of them are great Christmas stores. I know, and I wish I knew of others, but those two are. You could get anything you want there. I love those two.

[B]

Oh, they're. It's so much fun.

[A]

It really is. But who names their store Aldix? Seriously, Dick did Dick. Don't you think it's ridiculous, the gift giving that we do Though, no, we are really nuts.

[B]

We are out of our minds. If anybody saw what goes on at my house on Christmas morning, no, it's crazy. They would lose their minds. But you know what? We all work hard. We all love each other so much. We love to surprise each other with the most outrageous things, and I can tell you and remember every single thing that we've ever done for each other over the years, and it just makes me so happy, and it's so much fun and we have a lot of love for each other, but it makes us so happy to surprise each other. And I think, Listen, I think it's extravagant and it's decadent and it's over the top, and it's outrageous and it's fabulous, all of it. But I think, you know, you have to remember, and I like to remind you, people that get critical, because I'm sure people will be, you know, rolling their eyes going, oh, well, nobody can do stuff like that. But we all do so much that nobody would ever even know about at Christmas time for others and less fortunate, but we do that all year round. So I really feel very joyful when I'm able to do something for others that are less fortunate and don't have, you know, some of the things they don't have, the family they don't have, the food they don't have, the. The celebrations, you know, and the. All the decorations and the getting into the spirit of Christmas.

[A]

You are the house, even on Christmas morning. Yes, we let us have our family time, but if there's someone who lives in LA that doesn't have family, they all come over for breakfast like it is. I do love that. If one of your kids didn't show up Christmas morning, would you.

[B]

I would feel really sad.

[A]

You would?

[B]

Really sad, yeah. That would make me. It would change my energy for sure. It would change my day. I mean, obviously it depends on the reason why, but they would still be sorely missed. It would be so sad for me because I'm so used to having you guys all there, and then I get you and all the kids and I get your significant others, or, you know what, my mom, Cece, you know, everybody. It just. It's always been such a huge, big deal for all of us, and we just hang out all day and. Yeah, I love it.

[A]

How do you feel now being a grandmother and the kids keep multiplying? Do you feel the pressures of Christmas? Do you love seeing all that chaos with that many more people just, like, making a mess and, like, screaming? Cause there's the fighting or getting into candy or. Cause they're just kids.

[B]

No, I love it.

[A]

You love it. You love the noise?

[B]

I love it. I would miss it so much if it was quiet and it was just me sitting there with a cup of coffee. I would be very sad. Yeah, I love having you guys all there.

[A]

We love being there.

[B]

I love it so much.

[A]

Are you sad that the Christmas card tradition doesn't happen anymore?

[B]

I am.

[A]

Or you're happy that one thing is gone?

[B]

I've done it for so many years, literally since Courtney was a year old. So 45 years.

[A]

Where's the one photo with you, Courtney, and my dad?

[B]

It's in the I've never seen photo album. I still have photo albums up until 2012. I'm one of. Probably the only person who still was, you know, pasting photos in Books until 2012. And then I just gave up because it was such a digital environment. And now everything is. Everything is digitized.

[A]

No, you guys, my mom is psychotic. Every month, she takes every photo of the month, right? That's in your camera roll. And you have Matthew Ryan print him out.

[B]

At first, I edit it down. So, like, if you take six photos, then you pick what you want to keep on your phone, and then we print it out at a place that I've been using since the 90s that I trust, and they print out one copy of each photo, and we put it in a archival box that will.

[A]

Save it and put it in storage every fucking month.

[B]

Well, what.

[A]

That's amazing, but. No, it's amazing.

[B]

What if it all disappears one day?

[A]

Listen, I'm not mad. I'm envious. I just don't have the energy or a storage facility. I have, like.

[B]

Or Matthew to help you.

[A]

No, Matthew, that poor guy is like.

[B]

I know he's the best.

[A]

Don't know how he's still around, but we count on things.

[B]

God bless him for putting up with me.

[A]

So. I take a lot of pride in my faith. I take a lot of pride in how I was raised with the foundation of faith. Where does faith come into play with you? But also specifically around Christmas.

[B]

Well, faith. I was brought up going to church on Sundays. And then I had a. I had. I was christened when I was a baby, and then I went to church. I went to a Presbyterian church, and I still have my first. I went to a class at my church after school a couple days a week. And then we had like a. It was, you know how Catholic. The Catholic religion has, like, a catechism, and they go Through a whole thing and they graduate. And I had something like that. But I have my Bible that was given to me when I was, like, 8 years old that I still have in my drawer from the teacher. And I just remember the going to that ceremony and getting dressed up for that and feeling so proud of myself that I completed the love course. And I think that's when it was really instilled. And then at Christmas time, it was so beautiful because it was being in the choir and singing Christmas carols. You were in the choir? Well, I don't think it was an actual choir. It was the students that had to line up on the row of benches and sing the Christmas carols. So in my mind, I was in a choir, but it was the class. And we were singing all these beautiful songs and sort of like at, you know, in the school auditorium. And that was part of the church, and they had an auditorium and a beautiful ceremony at the holidays. And then it grew into me taking you guys to church and Bible study and everything through the years. And Christmas always made everything so much more special. And that's when you would have these celebrations and recitals and, you know, have little programs, and I don't. I think that's probably what I miss the most about those times in Christmas, as far as kids were. All the things that the school and the church used to do to celebrate the holidays. And having the kids perform, I thought was always so cute.

[A]

Let's ask a few evergreen questions.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

When was the last time you've given a blowy.

[B]

Oh, I don't remember.

[A]

Okay. That wasn't really. Well, it wasn't really on there. Just wanted to see what you would do. I felt like I had to spruce you up a bit.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

How much screen time do you think you spend on your phone every week? Do you know. Do you have that calculation? I do.

[B]

I can't look at it when it comes.

[A]

Why would you even have that on? I don't know.

[B]

I don't want to know because I don't. So I don't look when it comes.

[A]

Up, but I don't even. You turn it off.

[B]

What I started to do was really try at night and to just put it away. I can't look at it anymore because.

[A]

Yeah. I flip mine over on the bedside table.

[B]

Yeah. I have to leave my phone on at night because I have six kids and 13 grandchildren, and I'm the responsible one who's kind of running the show.

[A]

Well, you would have.

[B]

So it's not like I can just put My phone away.

[A]

Well, how you sent security to barge in to me this morning to ask a question about Kim's.

[B]

I don't want them coming upstairs and wrestling me out of bed.

[A]

Well, do you have a house phone? I have a house phone for that reason. So I have a lot of house phones. You give everyone the house phone and you say if there's an emergency, the.

[B]

House phones are turned off.

[A]

What? Who's calling you?

[B]

Like 1-800- wrapping paper? I don't know.

[A]

Okay. What are you mindlessly scrolling on? Like, what's the app that you're on the most? Because I have a lot of DMs from you.

[B]

Okay. So my. What I get the most enjoyment out of and what's really interesting to me is architecture, design, cooking.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So. And then I get the random. Look at this cute toy. Cause my phone knows I have 13 grandchildren, apparently. So I'm always buying the most random gadgets.

[A]

What Apple app?

[B]

Well, it's not an. I'm on Instagram.

[A]

Oh, so that's the app, so.

[B]

Well, yeah, but then it takes you to reels, and then you.

[A]

You go over to the app. His Instagram.

[B]

Okay, smarty pants.

[A]

Reals is on Instagram.

[B]

Instagram.

[A]

So are you a Tick Tocker?

[B]

I like Tick Tock. When you guys somehow talk me into.

[A]

No, not like. Are you posting? No, I don't.

[B]

Go on.

[A]

You don't scroll on Tick Tock.

[B]

Okay, I scroll on Instagram and I'm really like. I get, like. Right now, everything's about a Ralph Lauren Christmas, Mom.

[A]

That's my Christmas theme this year. Stop. That's what I want it to be.

[B]

Oh, it's trending, babe. It is trending. That's why we're wearing plaid. No, my paper's plaid this year.

[A]

Stop. Isn't Kim's?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you guys are having dueling plaids.

[B]

That's right. You can. I promise you, she's gonna be pissed.

[A]

I was trying to keep this evergreen. But we'll go back to Christmas really quickly. We also tradition each household. So like Courtney, Kim, Rob, we each have our own. And they have to be different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Themed or colored Christmas wrapping paper. And then we make. We're sick. We make piles at my mom's house because that's where we send our spend our Christmas morning. So let's just say my household's gifts would be a forest green. Yours could be plaid. Whatever. And then we know where our stacks are because they're identifiable from the.

[B]

Right. Well, there's. Okay, so at my house on Christmas morning. If you were ever just to randomly show up, you would see these beautiful Christmas trees that I have all over the place. But also here and there, these beautiful stacks of gorgeously wrapped gifts and Chloe's patterns.

[A]

Who wraps your gifts pattern if it's not me? Shoved in the attic.

[B]

There's a combo. Karen and. Or my two angels, my elves that come and help me. Like I, you know, I'm kind of.

[A]

Let's not. I'm the creative director. Let's just be. This is an honest show.

[B]

I wrap gifts. I'm a great gift wrapper.

[A]

You used to be. Okay, you know what? Oh no, you're not cutting those fingernails.

[B]

I don't have long fingernails.

[A]

Yeah, but look at that. Perfectly polished.

[B]

Well, I just got them done yesterday.

[A]

You're not. Trust me.

[B]

Okay, listen. And so did you understand what Kim did last year with the wrapping? One of my most special times of the year is when all the gifts start to arrive from all the different family members. So Robert will have his dropped off, Courtney will have hers dropped off, Chloe's comes over and Matthew gets a call. You know, Kim wants to drop the gifts off today. And I'm going, oh goody. And I get to see Kim's paper. And you know, usually the person who's dropping off the gifts, either their team comes with the presents or they come and, you know, check it out and see how that they're all positioned. Well, Kim had a new assistant last year, somebody new, and she wanted to come with the gifts and make sure they were all placed perfectly. And so I said, oh, great. So I stepped out of the room for a while and all of a sudden I look at my phone for something and Kim is in literally going live on Instagram with all of our presents, showing everyone's gift wrap.

[A]

She just has to.

[B]

Because she had to be the first to announce and show the gift wrap from the family. Well, first of all, it's part of the surprise of everybody to come in and like we get so excited to see the different.

[A]

What you were upset about is my mom last year had the most legendary wrapping paper for each one of us.

[B]

I did.

[A]

And each kid, she had this artist. Rachel.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Hand sketched Christmas specific wrapping. So it was. If it was my gift, it was me wearing a Santa's costume. They were so cute. It would be Rob wearing a Santa hat. They were so well done.

[B]

They were really beautiful.

[A]

That was the surprise. And Kim exposed it to the world.

[B]

But just showed everybody's gift wrap. And I was just like, okey, Dokey.

[A]

When you have a moment of quiet, what do you do at Christmas time? No. Remember I was asking you Evergreen questions and you keep going back to Christmas.

[B]

No, I don't remember. I'm old. Just work with me.

[A]

Well, the face is young.

[B]

Okay, well, yeah.

[A]

So number one, do we like a Ralph Lauren themed Christmas?

[B]

We love. There's nothing.

[A]

I just had to.

[B]

First of all, there's nothing better than walking into the Ralph Lauren store in New York City and going to the Polo Bar.

[A]

But not even on Christmas. No, like, just in general.

[B]

Did I tell you what happened to me in New York? Okay, so the president was in town.

[A]

So the streets were blocked.

[B]

Yes. Okay, so the streets were blocked a little bit. And I was supposed to meet Gail at the Polo Bar.

[A]

Gayle King. Oh, man.

[B]

So I go to the Polo Bar, but it's really hard to get to. So basically I had to walk then.

[A]

Gayle King. Really?

[B]

So I have to walk two blocks.

[A]

God forbid.

[B]

And so we walk to the Polo Bar.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I walk inside empty. I've never seen it empty. It's usually 18 people thick at the bar and people trying to get in and sit, and there's commotion and, you know, people's coats are flying and scarves are wrapping and it's crazy. And so I walk in dead silence. Nobody there. Two fabulous bartenders behind the bar. The people that work there are just standing there waiting to wait on somebody. And I go, oh, my God. And the woman is so lovely. She goes, can I take you down to your table? And I go, oh, are you kidding me? Absolutely not. I need to sit here at the bar and have a martini, of course, and enjoy this moment. And all of a sudden, the waiters bring me these snacks, like these little chips and these little nuts that are hot and warm and olives in my martini. And the martini and the shaker and it's shaken and. Oh, it was glorious. And that was one of my favorite moments in New York a couple weeks ago when I was there.

[A]

That's the story.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That the bartender got you a drink.

[B]

No. In a bar in the. Do you know the last time I was by myself in a bar in New York? I think I was 20 years old and I was working for American Airlines. I don't just randomly go into bars and sit there by myself and have vodka. You know what I mean?

[A]

You're missing out.

[B]

It was really a moment.

[A]

When you have a moment of quiet, what do you do? Do you know what that is?

[B]

Well, I used to a moment of quiet.

[A]

Or do you not have a moment of quiet?

[B]

I don't really have many, but. Okay, so the things. If I'm home, I would. The things that I do to create moments would be going for a walk or working out and things like that. To have some me time.

[A]

You're on the phone.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Screaming on a walk. And you have security tailing you.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

That's not alone.

[B]

Right. Okay. So I'd probably take my mom.

[A]

We live in a gated area. My mom's convinced we're still getting kidnapped and she has security following her in a car in case someone's gonna snatch her. And it's. It's truly psychotic. But to each their own.

[B]

It's okay.

[A]

Yeah. It's totally okay.

[B]

Thank you. You're welcome.

[A]

I wish you still cooked.

[B]

I know. Me too.

[A]

Why don't you cook anymore?

[B]

Well, I cooked. Okay. So last week.

[A]

Okay. Let's not make up stories, though.

[B]

So. Okay. Chloe, Last week I made spaghetti bolognese and garlic toast and a salad. It takes five minutes.

[A]

Four year old could make that.

[B]

I just said.

[A]

Okay. Sorry. I'm not judging you.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

And so let's see.

[A]

Sunday night.

[B]

I made enough of this and sweet potatoes.

[A]

Your nose is growing. Mom, I can't be a part of lunch. I just can't. No, no, no.

[B]

For me and Rob and Corey.

[A]

Are we okay, Mom? No, we're not lying. No, no, no, no, no. We're not lying like this. No.

[B]

Call your brother right now and ask him. I'm not going to say a word. Just ask him what he had for dinner on Sunday night that I made. Why don't you ask him? If you're going to call me a liar, then you got to back it up with some facts, babe. Just call him and say. I can't text him. Does anybody see my hands? Okay, I'm not texting anybody to say.

[A]

Rob, what'd you have for dinner on Sunday?

[B]

I don't know. Sunday, probably steak.

[A]

Where'd you get steak from?

[B]

I think mom brought it.

[A]

Where'd she bring it from?

[B]

She made it her house.

[A]

Did you watch her make it or.

[B]

But I know, I know it's her steak by mistake. She always. Wings. Okay, I deserve an apology. Okay. An apology.

[A]

Okay. I'm sorry. I just didn't think mom cooked anymore.

[B]

She always makes me a steak. Sweet potato and veggies in her salad.

[A]

Her signature. The fact that I wouldn't be included 1.

[B]

You don't eat meat, but you can.

[A]

I could have a salad and A baked potato.

[B]

I asked you, do you want a salad?

[A]

And you know what?

[B]

You said, I'm good, babe. Wow. Somebody has to get into the Christmas spirit around here, because you are.

[A]

These are evergreen questions. Stop bringing it back to Christmas.

[B]

You're a scrooge. Okay.

[A]

I love you, Bob. Okay, well, I really apologize that I called you a cooking liar.

[B]

You know what you're doing? You're like, chef shaming me.

[A]

Well, I don't mean to shame.

[B]

I'm a really good chef.

[A]

You're a great chef. I'm trying to get you to cook more because it's so good.

[B]

The funny thing about me is I enjoy the cooking experience, but I equally enjoy the gadgets I have in my kitchen and the pots that I cook in and bake in. And my trips to William Sonoma are epic. And those are part of my Christmas experience, too. I know. It's evergreen questions. Christmas. It's evergreen.

[A]

What is your favorite place you've ever vacationed to with your family?

[B]

Oh, with my family. Well, some of my best memories are ski trips when you guys were little. I love Italy. My happy place is the desert. Yes, we love it. There's so. I love it there. And I love. I mean, I love trips, but at the end of the day, I just love being home.

[A]

Threw such a tantrum one time, and she was like, we need to go to Bali. We need to go to Bali. We are filming. She had. This is when we were filming Keeping up, and she has production scout this trip, and yada yada, and we go to Bali. Who does not come to Bali with us? Kris Jenner. I know, but sends all of the kids, and you were like. Like, it's not a good time for me to travel right now. You need more trips with us. I know.

[B]

We have fun.

[A]

When we went to India, Kim and I, it was such a fast trip. I think we were there for 48 hours, and it was really hard. And then we had to go to Italy after that. But we were saying, that's the trip you should have pushed yourself to do because it was once in a lifetime experience. I regret it was, like, the craziest fucking thing.

[B]

I do regret that.

[A]

How do you decide what's actually worth your time and energy these days?

[B]

I'm trying to learn how to say, not only to say no, but kind of decide what is the important stuff to push myself to do. And I've made so many mistakes lately. Like, I've said no. Trying thinking that I don't think I could do that. I don't think I could get there. And then after the ship has sailed, I think I could have done that. So I have to make better decisions.

[A]

No, but you are the queen of fomo. You can't handle if you're missing something.

[B]

I can't?

[A]

No, you can't. But you own it.

[B]

Yeah, totally. I go crazy.

[A]

There's no FOMO for me.

[B]

Really?

[A]

If I say no, I'm not thinking about it again.

[B]

I was invited to a party.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

This party about a month ago. And I didn't go. And I really wanted to go, but it was hard because I was flying home from New York, and then I had, like, 12 hours to turn it around and go back again. And I couldn't stay in New York because I had a meeting here I couldn't miss for Kendall. She said, please don't miss the meeting. And somebody was flying in to meet us. Got it. So it couldn't be missed. But I just didn't see how I could turn it around like that. Physically, I just got it. Like, I thought, this is gonna just be too much for me. It'd be a lot, right?

[A]

It is.

[B]

The party starts, and Corey has me on FaceTime. And here, in a private party in a small, beautiful, intimate setting on a rooftop in New York with the skylight, the lights, the camp, just the whole thing, and out comes this, like, the whole band comes out, and it's Stevie Wonder, who then, as a surprise, who then does an entire performance. And I cannot believe that I missed Stevie Wonder performing live. I just can't believe it. I was so. I had such. I had such fomo. I had to hang up.

[A]

I just said, I get it.

[B]

I've got to call you back. This is too much for me. I missed this. I can't believe it. But so lovely that they did this for their, you know.

[A]

Yeah, that's a big one to miss.

[B]

Like, that was a huge thing to miss. So I was really disappointed about that.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I don't like making decisions like that, because I think every time we say no to something, we're missing something that, you know, once in a lifetime or spending time with people that we love so much and that, you know. No.

[A]

Doesn't bother me.

[B]

It bothers me a lot to miss. I want to be. I want to show up for people. And sometimes when I can, I get really hard on myself.

[A]

I think you show up for people all the time.

[B]

I know, but sometimes. Sometimes I feel like. I feel like I do, and I try, but sometimes. Have you ever had that Group of friends. And sometimes you feel like you're always saying no and you don't want to say no.

[A]

Oh. All the time.

[B]

It just turns out that way. It frustrates me a lot that I can't be everywhere all at once.

[A]

Okay, last few questions. How do you feel about turning 70?

[B]

Oh, my gosh, blessed. I feel really happy and blessed.

[A]

Are you excited? Are you nervous? Are you? I'm so care about the number. Even when you look as stunning as you do.

[B]

Oh, it's not about the way that I look. It's about the way that I feel, and that's what I have to focus on. You feel great. I do, yeah. I feel good. I feel like I compare myself to people that I know in my lifetime that came way before me. My grandparents or, you know, my mom. And my mom was doing great at 70 and. And she's still doing great at 91. But I think it's just the way you look at life. And I'm realizing that it's all about the attitude, moving, keeping yourself busy, busy but healthy, and really making better choices. And I've really tried to do that for the last 10 years, and I think it's really helped. And I think one thing I want to thank you for is for encouraging me to start doing training, like strength.

[A]

Training again or bullying you.

[B]

Well, you bullied me into working out, but, so thanks for that. But the way you went about it, you know, we could talk about that later off camera. But the way I feel is so.

[A]

Strength training is a 180. So important for your body, especially the older you get.

[B]

It's a 180. And if I ever fell or even.

[A]

The comment you made to me about your high heels.

[B]

Yeah. After my hip replacement, I really couldn't wear a high heel anymore. But then I started strength training. My legs got stronger, my back, my torso, my body, my arm, everything, just. There was another pep in my step. You know, I just felt better about the way I move around the planet. And I realized I can, you know, feel a lot stronger and wear things I wanna wear. And, you know, I love fashion, so that's important to me. But I just feel better and I feel like I eat better, I sleep better, I concentrate on my sleep and all of that. And that was a big change for me in turning 70. I think that it just becomes mind over matter. You know, you just have to say, okay, guess what? I've got this next decade to attack. I feel like I look at my life in chapters and I, you know, about to Enter into my seventh chapter.

[A]

I look at mine the same way you do. I do. I'm like, okay, the 40s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

30S. That's how I look at mine as well.

[B]

Yeah. Like what, what is this gonna be like?

[A]

But do you let the number play, like games with your brain?

[B]

Age is just a number.

[A]

Okay, good. I hope you.

[B]

I really believe that. I do. I didn't. You know, I used to say it and I believed it, but now I really believe it. I don't feel, I feel better. And I feel like, you know, the things that I do to protect my health and improve everything that I can, I want to share that with everybody.

[A]

Because modern medicinal science is such a blessing for all of us.

[B]

Mms.

[A]

Mms.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Modern medicinal science. Say it it three times fast.

[B]

Modern medicinal science. Modern medicinal science. Modern medicinal science.

[A]

See, you're still there.

[B]

It's. You know, I think that when you can treat yourself to, you know, self care treatments and just doing things for yourself that, you know, make you feel better, do it. Yep. So I don't have a lot of time, but when I do, when you said, what do you do if you have a quiet moment?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Those are the times. One year you bought me a red light for my face. And I'll go get under that. I'll get in the massage chair, I'll take a sauna, I'll take a bath, I'll take a steam. I have a little spa set up at the house. So I'm super lucky because I've worked hard my whole life to be able to have these goodies everywhere and I use em and I enjoy em and I look forward to it. You didn't ask me about my favorite gift I ever got. What's your favorite gift that you've ever received from me? Like, if you had to think of something that I've given you over the years for Christmas, what would be one of your favorite Christmas gifts?

[A]

I have to think. Cause that's a very thoughtful answer. What is yours? I feel like you have an answer.

[B]

That's why you. No, no, no. I saw it on your list and I thought about that.

[A]

You're pre reading the question.

[B]

I saw a couple questions. Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But it was like for two seconds in the green room. I'm not upset about it. No, but I mean, not like I had time to think about it, but I saw this one question that said, what is your favorite gift that you've ever given each other? Or something like that.

[A]

And what was it?

[B]

Well, it wasn't what you gave me, okay, it was what your dad gave me once.

[A]

What'd he give me?

[B]

And that was. Your dad was always somebody that wanted you to really want something before he, like, he wanted a great surprise and he wanted you to surprise and delight. And I remember once, like, for example, I really wanted a car once when I was growing, growing up, because basically I grew up with him. And one day we were going out to dinner and it was the night before Mother's Day, and we were late and we ran out into the garage and there was a brand new car with a big bow on it. Like, when you least expect it was when your dad would give a gift cute. And he would think about it for a really long time. So I really got a little bougie in my. You know, as I got older and had kids and got a little more mature and started seeing beautiful, shiny new things and, you know, felt really blessed. And I remember I had this beautiful Piaget watch on my wish list forever. And he would say, this is what you want. You want this watch? I don't understand, like, you have a watch. Like, why do you. You know. And it was this beautiful, dressy, like, dress watch. And I had talked about it for a long time, and, you know, I'm the wife that accidentally puts the picture of the watch on the refrigerator, right? Or on his closet door. Or maybe, you know, when he lifts.

[A]

Maybe just charged his card when he.

[B]

When he lifts the seat to pee, it's there. Like, I would do the craziest things and put this picture of this watch everywhere. And so for Christmas one year, we were opening gifts and he said, do you want your. Do you want to open your present? And I said, yeah, but there was a problem because the present was, like, big. And I thought, oh, it's definitely, you know, nothing that. Yeah, it's not jewelry. So I couldn't imagine what it was. And I opened the gift, and it's a Barbie in a box. And it was really cute. And I used to collect the Christmas. I still to this day collect the Christmas Barbie. So every year, don't laugh at Christmas. My mom gives me the Christmas Barbie now. And your dad used to give me a Christmas Barbie. And it's always Barbie dressed in. I know, I'm like an adult that collects dolls. No, it's fine. It's crazy. So he gave me the Christmas Barbie and he goes, she's cute, right? And I go, yeah, she's really cute. Thank you. Like, I was like, this is what I'm getting for Chris you know, I was. Spoiled brat. Yeah.

[A]

And I thought, not much has changed.

[B]

Exactly. So he said, don't you want to look at her or play with her? And I go, okay. You know, I felt bad that I wasn't more excited about opening this Barbie, so I pulled her out. And you know how they have the Barbie attached with plastic and it takes, like, nine hours to get the Barbie out of the box. So get the Barbie out of the box. And she had the watch around her waist.

[A]

Aww.

[B]

And he had covered it with tissue or something.

[A]

So cute.

[B]

Yeah, it was really cute. So I think that was the most. I was so excited.

[A]

Well, mom, this I've looked forward to literally all week. I love being with you. I love learning anything I can from you. Even, like, who the hell is Avalon? What's her name? Avalon.

[B]

Avalon, Like Jimmy and Avalon.

[A]

But I didn't know this before today. I always learn something new, is what I'm trying to say. And I just love you so much for so many different reasons, but the fact that you're sharing a little holiday insight with me and the listeners, it's so special. I love you. And you know, you're always welcomed in Wonderland.

[B]

I love Chloe in Wonderland. Thank you. My very own little special place.

[A]

I love when we start talking like this.

[B]

I know, I know.

[A]

So sweet.